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The first rule of Inner circle atheism is that we do not talk about inner circle atheism.
That is the second rule too.....................LOL
But the third rule is, don't let the Christians know we believe in their version of their imaginary friend, since atheists don't actually exist, cuz reasons.
I thought the bunch of the seventh day atheists were the most hardcore.. They make the inner circle atheists look like sissies.
SHHHHHHHH
yep. only inner circle wannabes babble about things they don't understand. hilarious.
I am an inner _square_ atheist. I outrank Mr. Canadian by several polygons.
It's hip to be square, they say
@Timbo Davis Damn, I only made it to Paragon level 850. I bow down to you sir.
But you need to think outside the box........LOL
Technically a circle has infinitely many “sides” because it’s curvature cannot be reduced to any angles
But I'm one step ahead 😂
I'm a middle-circle atheist. I only need to pull off one more conspiracy to earn my key to the inner circle.
@checky monkey Cool! Hey -- when do I get that federal license to hang anyone who says, "Merry Christmas"? I hear there's a war on.
You made it, congrats
As a circle-jerk Athiest, church sux, gods stupid and frick religion
As a circle-jerk Athiest, church sux, gods stupid and frick religion
haha middle circle huh..
That laugh when the caller says "inner circle atheist" is priceless.
'I was such a good atheist, that like all of you, i worshipped satan' ...uhhh. why do i doubt you were an atheist?
I am an Orwellian outer party atheist and I don't trust Hey Google.
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 I didn't even hear that, but just before he said "inner circle atheist" he was listing arguments from this show and from the Atheist Experience. I would have hung up on him right then and there. There are many callers who are just mistaken and don't lie their asses off and deserve the time wasted on this shit.
Vi trying not to laugh the second time he says it is wonderful too.
Oh shit, it's the "inner circle" atheist again. Hang on, let me grab a beer. 😂
A beer? Just one? 😆
popcorn.
Humans efforts to avoid saying " I don't know" have no bounds .
CCs claim was pretty crazy IMO. the reason “most people desire to communicate with transcendent being” is because most people are told, as children, THAT ONE EXISTS!
100%. As a lifelong atheist who never was indoctrinated into this nonsense, I never once in my life desired to "communicate" with an imaginary being.
I've heard "Canadian Catholic" voice before. It really REALLY sounds like another person that has called before - not nice calls - and he is modulating his voice, to not get recognized. I've been putting these shows in the background while doing other things, back to back, so I'm hearing many of them close together. Also, no one fekking talks like that.
Wait, my great grandpa was an atheist, my grandpa was an atheist, my dad was an atheist. Why haven't I been invited into the "inner circle"? I think I've got the pedigree for it! What kind of nonsense is this?
If you have to ask, you will never be a part of the inner circle.
I'm going to create my own inner circle then! Pbbbbt!
@@karentalbott8128 With Blackjack! And hookers!
And booze!
@@karentalbott8128 That's not the line...
"How can you lack belief in something that is not well defined?" - Easy. If something is not well defined then I have no choice but to lack belief in it. What's the problem here?
Right!? He still considers himself a skeptic, but turn that around. How is it rational to believe in something that one can't define?
Manbearpig. Is it more man, pig or bear? If we can't define it properly, then how can we lack belief in the manbearpig? ('Tis a South Park reference - there's an episode where a bunch of people get killed by the manbearpig and they all are trying to define what it looks like.)
@@whitegoose2017 It's really funny through. Back in the days, people had no problem defining God. God was just the superhuman being that blessed people, cursed people, creator of all good and evil, had prophets and gave visions. It was the classical personal God of the Greeks like Athena or Zeus. You just have to read the Bible. The Hebrew were polytheistic and then slowly replaced their gods with just Yahweh, who was just the best God, better than your God. Slowly, the other gods disappeared and there was just Yahweh.
It wasn't even a supernatural being. Back in the days, God or Yahweh was part of the natural world. Just like the Greeks and Egyptians believed that their gods were part of the natural. I think it was only Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century was made the distinction between the supernatural and natural. Before, in the early history, gods were just part of the natural. They were just agents with superpowers, beyond mere mortals. But they weren't apart from nature. They did nature. They were nature.
With science discovering the natural world, people had to distinct nature from God. God just wasn't found by science in nature. The modern "understanding" of God is in stark contrast to the understanding what God was in the times of Jesus. The rational conclusion would be of course to dismiss God as just another myth. Just like Zeus and all the other gods.
@@holz_name There is a huge case to be made for the lack of complex words in the languages of that era, ergo their languages were poorer, thus describing complex phenomenons that had no apparent reasons behind them with fantastical explanations would have seemed plausible to ancient goat herders. Just to add to what you said. We are, after all.. talking about an era where writing and reading are actual skills. These days you take that for granted.
@@holz_name I'm not a huge fan of NdT but I think his phrasing in this quote defines the God of the Gaps (what we are talking about when this God definition keeps getting more and more vague):
"If that's how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that's how you want to come at the problem." -NdT
The fact that God has become so ill defined and downright vague as a concept points directly to how science has carved out and feasted on religious apologetics to where religion is an empty carcass. There is a reason why the argument of morality has become such a huge talking point in apologetics. It's because they don't have any other arguments left, especially those that defend the physical magic in their books. They are retreating to the philosophical side of the spectrum to remain relevant, which is why they focus on the morality argument more than anything tangible these days.
God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance. He/she/it has receded so far that apologetics are left philosphically discussing morality instead of combating science at its doorstep.
It really reminds me of the "Liar Liar" movie quote when Jim Carrey says objection to the introduction of new evidence, and the judge asks why the objection and Carrey says, "because it's damaging to my case!"
That is how potent science is at knocking down religious assertions. They have no recourse, zero retort, zero evidence, nothing to present as counter evidence. So they have all retreated to a philosophical God of "woo woo", where arguments have fallen so low that they are left defending "possibility" rather than "plausibility." That right there is the state of the religious mind in the 21st century. Clinging to possibilty rather than plausibility.
Former Catholic priest, now atheist here. This guy's use of 'Papist' and 'Roman Catholic' is very unusual for a genuine Catholic. I'm going with his being a troll.
As an ex-Catholic I have never heard Papist used as anything other than a slur. This whole thing has the feel of a deeply disturbed person and/or an epic trolling.
Very much so. His terminology is very confused, which points to the author being confused.
He's just using his time on Talk Heathen to entertain himself...
He's just a legitimate moron.
As another ex-Catholic that went to Catholic school k thru 12 we never called ourselves a papist and only heard that term as a slur against us from other religions. That and we pray to Mary were two of the big slams used against us . So I too think he is a troll
Oh man...this was actually the first time it hit me. My daughters have a genetically inherited epilepsy (from their mother, who is asymptomatic)...it’s incredibly striking to think they would be considered possessed under the wrong historical conditions.
Also works for just being left handed.
Yes, people, dumb.
When you need word-salad mental gymnastics to believe in something, it's probably a good idea to step back a bit and figure out where you're going wrong. 🤷♂️
This Canadian has never been an Atheist nor Sceptic. He is just using this line to get on the show. He is not even aware what these words mean.
I believe he was an atheist and _thought of himself_ as being a skeptic, but never got a proper grounding in critical thinking. Not sure he mentions it here, but he was a YEC by _family indoctrination_ until he was 17 (he's now 20). So in rejecting the YEC doctrines, he congratulated himself on his ability to accept evidence, but never had any chance to learn critical thinking. Sad.
@krelfurnace I don't actually know him, but his story adds up for me.
@krelfurnace The Canadian inner circle is focused on avoiding anything, that might upset anybody. Might be a cul de sac.
If he really were Canadian he would have apologized first.
Ex-Ex-Atheist here: I suspect that's the thing with most "Ex-Atheists" they reject one form of god (for me it was the Big Bearded Man in the Clouds) and then get exposed to a more "Intellectual" sounding version, all while at a relatively young age. They then go on to assume that ALL atheists are just rejecting that same conception of god that they did in their youth and think that if we just learn about the "real" god they'll hop right back into Christianity.
This bloke is such a weasel. I can't watch any of his calls anymore, unless Matt is answering and in a really bad mood.
I actually want him to call Matt. Matt could refute him Properly
I like you!
@@Mwrp86 matt smacks him down, because he lies and pretends to be different people. He's incredibly dishonest.
Even when he tries to get on with a different name , his weaseliness give him away.
@@markwhitmore9326 His ridiculous voice always gives him away. You can actually feel the extra saliva in his mouth as he flaps his gums.
I like how he was upset supernatural wasn't allowed. It's like "damn I can't say god exists because magic"
I heard when you are promoted to the Inner Circle, the High Priest himself gives you the keys to your own personal UFO.
Damn you lucky fucker I just got ass raped😂
3:55
"How can you lack a belief in something you cannot define?"
A question that answers itself.
If something is just too vague to nail down with a coherent definition, why bother with it at all??
@A Light in the Dark
Agreed, there is a lot of posturing and BS on both sides, but I like to think I have my feet planted in reality.
I rely heavily on Occam's razor and common sense, what makes more sense to me.
I cannot state with 100% certainty that a god does not exist, but Yahweh, Allah do not exist by their own definition.
@@kinglyzard
We're in the same boat, you and I.
Similarly, I lack belief in a god, but I'm _certain_ all gods defined by religions are the creation of man, not the other way around. They just possess far too many human characteristics (e.g. anger, jealousy, vengefulness, hate, etc.) and not enough scientific understanding of how the world works to be convincing as existing omnipotent beings.
There is no Atheist inner circle. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to drink beer and smoke cigars with the "secular student alliance" mwahahahah!
A catholic priest ruined my inner circle when I was young. You can still see the stitching.
I laughed too much to this.
oh shit!!! xD
Oh my non existent God that was too funny! 👍
Rotfl! (And kinda sad at the same moment)
@@lukasrodriguez5864 "oh shit!!!!!" That's what a Catholic priest said
I'm an 'outer dodecahedron atheist', just hanging upside down in my atheist lair , planning next years war on christmas..
You should try to get closer to the inner circle, it's quite warm this time of year
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
I've listened to this guy for a combined 55 minutes or so and he still hasn't got to his point. Standard religious type then. Oh yeah but he's one step ahead.
@David Parry you mean he's gone full circle? Full inner circle even?
@@JayMaverick lmao
Yeah this is my last stop listening to all his appearances also, don't have a freaking clue what he believes, he doesn't know either
Eric DOES have a soothing voice
I got chocolate voice
This guy..... This guy.... Inner circle of atheism...this guy
Vi. Enjoy those moments. There is nothing more euphoric than being faced with something you have no choice but to laugh at. It's the most satisfying laughter of all. It's like discovering an unknown continent or a new species of butterfly. And as viewers, we can feel that joy as you try to not lose it completely.
He really really didn’t want to defend his belief in Catholicism. I think the path you took was useful, but I wish you had been more consistent about getting him to pony up his catholicism evidence. I think he just chose what felt good, and used confirmation bias to see that Catholicism doesn’t conflict.
Skeptic my ass.
I'm an inner circle atheist. We have meetings every other Tuesday and during the harvest moon, when we do our secret handshakes and sacrifice babies.
@Jason Collins Damn. You must be an INNER, inner circle atheist. I'll get there.
@The Mandalorian God dammit Mando. Why haven't I heard about this hickory smoking of babies? Sounds delicious, as they're probably quite tender. As I told Jason, I guess I'm not an INNER, inner circle atheist. I need to up my game. Please don't report me. I can smoke babies too.
@@ptuffgong8504
Here at the Texas chapter of Inner-Circle Atheists we've started serving baby-meat-tacos at our Tuesday meetings, so as not to interfere with taco-Tuesday. 🌮
I turn off when I hear these dishonest kids asserting nonsense like being an “inner circle atheist.”
Why do you think lying is an effective way to get through to people? And why make up a lie so obviously a lie, directly to the faces of those who would know it was a lie?
I’ll never get the smugness of these poor people when they assert things as stupid as atheists having to make up a definition of something that every theist has a different definition for.
Their world view involves a hierarchical group of people that believe one thing, because they can't imagine holding another world view, they assume atheism is the same. The bit I'm not sure about is whether he is trying to impress atheists, theists or those in the transition.
It's an attempt to make themselves sound impressive to pass themselves off as some sort of authority in order to discredit "that nonsense called atheism" they used to believe.
Vi is so cute when she's trying to stifle a fit of laughter.
Eric is just always cute.
Billy Calder gross....he is always cringe
Vi doesn't identify as binary. I agree that they are delightful. They have a light and pleasant demeanor and are quick to laugh and I love when Vi is on the show. Eric can get a little wound up and Vi always reins it in and keeps it civil and fun. That is a true talent.
@@mrhdbnger Duly noted on the binary thing, I'll keep it in mind.
I cracked up when the guy in the back chuckle when Canadian Catholic mention "inner circle atheist"
As a Canadian, I'm so embarrassed.......profuse apologies from the rest of us......and to Canadian Atheist.......Take off eh, ya Hoser!!!!
Gregory Parker pretty sure he’s not canadian.
I also very much doubt that he is a Canadian.......
Listen up fellow atheists: we have changed the secret salutation of the inner circle, after this call.
You will receive the new one in the next skeptic gathering, after uttering the affirmation of disbelief and performing the ritual before the fossilized corpse of Darwin.
Funny to see Vi chuckle from time to time😂
The guy is a troll and only wants to hear him self talk
You're right @ Not-A Theist, CC is the biggest troll on TH-cam!🎃
great woody allen impression
Oh crap, He found out about the I.C.A! The cat is out of the bag! 😬 Abort mission! Abort mission! *ringing the alarm*🚨
😂
McKinzie what do we do?! I am panicking here running in circles now. Oh my ‘god!’
They should have hung up when he pulled that "one step ahead of you" crap again.
To people like this it's about being right, it has nothing to do with what is right. I know these people in real life and when you keep hammering a point home, they get louder and angrier. It's much easier to just not give a shit.
I have an Inner circle Atheist qualification from a long established PO Box number in Arizona, it was cheaper than a Doctorate of Divinity.
When the guy (again) says "...the inner circle of atheists", around 2:27, you gotta love Vi containing herself.
As an inner circle atheist myself, I feel compelled to point out that I've never seen Canadian Catholic at any of the meetings.
20:52 "for me it works the other way around, maybe because I'm one step ahead" Perfectly sums up theism, thinking you're one step ahead when you're actually two steps behind.
The inner circle Atheism is quite warm this time of year!
I would love a "NO! no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no. That's not how science works " shirt
emo philips called in! What an honour!
This is one of my favorite recurring callers, but sometimes he makes me miss GMan
This is the saddest thing I've ever heard.
This is an excellent demonstration of what happens when one follows the lamentable Steve McCrae.
God that man never stops talking. Nobody can finish replying without him going WELL BUT BUT BUT AND AND
I am the head atheist of the outer rhombus of atheism, Wisconsin chapter.
I'm an Inny Circle Atheist.
It's a lot like what the caller describes, only with bellybuttons.
Look, I was a typical Catholic student. The nuns had me in Primary and Grammar school. But the brothers in High School were very laid back. And in Catholic (yes) college, even more laid back.
Once I had the comparative religion class, where we freely talked about all the beliefs and practices (but not Mormon as I recall), it was all over. No religion, agnostic, and practically atheist.
Yet, the Catholic/Lutheran/Anglican Music still grabs me. I wish it had different lyrics.
But the real kicker is the fact that almost every interaction with Catholics is either distant or prescriptive/exclusionary. I don't need that crap.
So, except for marvellous music, the artwork that is crumbling, buh bye religion.
Eric did the "No, no, no, no!" Love it!
Oh god. I caught this live. This guy is delusional
Oh no, fellow inner circle-ists! We've been had! Quick, HIDE THE MAP, HIDE THE MAP!!!
"I stopped being an inner circle atheist and became an inner circle fantasist". Wow, that's cool.
I can’t believe they managed to get Woody Allen onto this call.
Hector A. Garcia has a book called Alpha God. It explains quite well why every culture has a concept of god, from an evolutionary standpoint.
What CC doesn’t understand is that what he thinks of as atheism is just as much about theistic thinking patterns as it is about logic. In trying to disprove god and the supernatural he appears to have a default that it is a real thing that a clever argument can exterminate. But such a methodology is as doomed to failure as the effort to prove god. Having failed he is then able to seek some sort of truth in complex arguments. It kind of reminds me of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy when god discovers the proof of his own non-existence. Word games become a substitute reality for those avoiding the starkness of physical reality.
every time he says "inner circle" and the hosts try to suppress the laugh 😆
Every time he says
"inner circle"
I just chuckle.
4:53 "I hate the Dawkins' scale." Yeah!! Me too. I wish you could have elaborated :-(
I wonder what hazing his friends put him through before they let him advance to the Inner Circle. "We need a syllogism stretcher. But it's for Greek and German philosophers. So it's gotta be metric."
Canadian Catholic has admitted that he was homeschooled. It really shows in his arguments. I’d bet a paycheck he was never an atheist.
His confirmation bias towards the end was textbook homeschool apologetics.
That actually explains everything :U
I only found the athiest channels a few months ago and still i had a sense of dread when i heard it was canadian catholic.
Inner Circle Atheist = True Atheist. The Athiestest that you can be. +5 on all belief-based attacks.
I swear that's the voice of the guy who called in once sporting an offensively fake scottish accent.
His name was Hamish and he was a beautiful boy. How DARE you, sir!!!
Eric's new ASMR channel: Whisper Heathen
AS a devout catholic years ago, i prayed to several different saints for favorable results with very mixed results and very often my prayers were not answered,nowadays as an atheist, i have decided to pray to a empty dog dish and ask for favorable results to my fervent requests and so far i am usually getting slightly better results at answered prayers from the empty dog dish. Go figger....
I’m a non stamp collector😊
"How can you lack belief in something you don't understand? "
Um...what is the other option? Believe in something you don't understand?
A shout out to NonStampCollector, lol, love it! That guy should pump out some more videos.
"how can you lack belief in something that you can't define"
Umm you should automatically disbelieve things that you can't define....
The only audible voice I ever thought I heard just before I became an atheist was a loud booming voice that wasn't there. I even looked around the empty house, and no one else was inside. The weird thing was that it sounded mostly like my voice, and all the ”voice” said was my first name. It was loud like maybe someone would describe the voice of a god, such as shown in the movies when a god speaks. For about six months, I was afraid I might be becoming schizophrenic so I paid attention if I would ever hear another voice. Thankfully, that was over 20 years ago and I never started hearing voices in or out of my head except for that one time. That may have been the biggest relief in my life, because I value control over my own brain, which is also one reason I still don't drink even after becoming an ex-Mormon. It remind’s me of John Denver’s song, ”Think God I’m a Country Boy,” but thank god (I don't believe in) I’m not a schizophrenic boy.
Tool or troll? 🤔
I really admire the hosts and how they kept their composure!
For the new year I just sub'bed to Talk Heathen. It does appear Eric and Vi is up to the task of hosting and it's expected by me that they will strive to up their game over time. I look forward to watching that transpire.
He is DEFINITELY a step ahead...
Reminder: Inner Circle Atheist meetings are every Monday night down by the docks. Smart casual. BYOB.
The guy sounds like he has watched this show and The Atheist Experience and has built his idea of atheism on the arguments presented and not on actual experiences he might have had. I don't think he ever was an atheist. And maybe I'm wrong about that, but he wasn't recalling his own memories, of that much I'm sure.
I'm curious, too, as to who comprises the atheists' "inner circle". I had no idea we were so well organized. Hope I don'y have to start paying dues.. or tithing :D!
Canadian Catholic called The Atheist Experience a week or so ago
It was hard to break out of the atheist inner circle. Had to throw out the atheist bible 😂
If psychobabble was an olympic event we would get to hear the Canadian national anthem.
You guys almost taught him, but he was just one step ahead.
Vi La Bianca is switched on
If someone uses "inner circle" atheist, I'm extra skeptical of everything that follows.
He talks like the gossipy Rabbi character on Seinfeld.
Perfect description.
That is spot on
This is a well-intentioned guy. The first time he called in, he was so incredibly hot over terminology, and by the end of the call, he was quite civil, because he felt heard and engaged. This time here, he was civil the whole time. I think he just wants people to engage with him where he's at. And don't we all?? :)
Well you’ve got a point about that last thing. However I’d say you were right, if he didn’t try to be met where he’s at, but a little more emphatically, his go to was “I know what you’re thinking” and claiming he used to be an “inner circle atheist”.
Being stuck on terminology is fine. Happens to the best of us. But in his previous calls with the above arguments he just told them what they think in order to use his terminology to say that they can trust him because he’s done all the work of demonstrating his Catholic god.
When it was pointed out that he did not and asked to actually demonstrate what he claimed he did by appealing to his own personal terminology he just repeated “I know EXACTLY what you’re thinking because I used to be part of your inner circle”.
Then when he was hung up on because he wouldn’t be honest and constantly tried to tell everyone what they thought he got furious and said he would “ruin Matt Dilahunty’s career” for hurting his feelings by not letting him be dishonest.
So well intentioned is a big stretch. He’s not a bad person at all, however he called back a bunch and lied about his name, just to vent and use the same basic scripts we’ve all heard. He also said criticism of the Catholic Church is a personal attack on all Catholics. Also questioning its teachings and crimes is seen as personal issue of hatred against them.
I'm a level 7 dual-class Atheist/Wizard, Lawful Neutral.
Do 4 bong hits in less than 2 minutes then listen to this call again. It makes a lot more sense the 2nd time around
Coincidence that most cultures have gods therefore one of them has to be true. Really?
So Steve McRae is a Catholic generator. How precious!
That’s Steve ?
Eric, you do sound like you could do "Love Songs & Dedications"!
Oh "ICA" calls again😂😂😂
One step ahead? You're 50 miles behind!!!
I wish we could get a compilation of all the calls he's made. that would be kind of a fun one for a refresher course when he calls in...
Vi is the coolest shit. I love Eric, but her very clear and more neutral, less purposefully charismatic approach I fins very refreshing. :)
I'm just going to commit the fallacy. This guy was never an atheist.
Anytime someone says they are a step ahead of you it's almost always a good indication that they are very far behind you.
Caller: "I get to claim God as undefinable. I get to consider that a strength, not a weakness. I get to (try to) make you look unreasonable for disbelieving the undefined."
NO. Stop. If it's a big swirling pile of super power...but invisibility...so mysterious. Gets to break all rules, norms, and standards...and starts the game as Ultimate Winner and SuperBoss...cuz reasons?
The default for all that shit is Nuh uh. You define it, then give evidence. Til then, the category is enough.
What we have here is the use of the philosophical definition of a term (Steve McRae) versus the colloquial definition of a term (Talk Heathen). Which should we lean towards, an academic understanding with demonstrable backing and support, or “this is how general people use it, and I like people, so I’ll go with that one.” Now, one could go into the psychology of the unwillingness to accept a burden of proof for your claim, which is an interesting path to go down with the ACA style atheists.
The evolutionary desire is for us to try to answer questions we don't know the answer to, and this has often led people to say "magic" or "god," this doesn't equate to us wanting to talk to some transcendent mind.
i want to get a copy of the book of eric. put on a merch for that...
Come on guys, we need to just accept the caller's ideas without question. I mean, he IS from the Inner Circle.
I thought he was the atheist pope, the Nope.
I think it was reddit where I saw that & it needs to survive 😂
Vi can't keep a straight face every time the phrase "inner circle atheist" comes up. It reminds me of "Eyes Wide Shut." FIDELIO