20+ years since I left jw's, I have finally come to know Jesus for what he is. It's because of people like you that I have awaken to truth and logic. Thank you and God bless
Great news, I have been getting JWs out of that organisation for over 39 years, would you mind advising me what was it that changed your mind. Obviously just something brief, but it helps me try to understand the mindset of a JW, Mormon etc. I was brought up in the Baptist church and no matter how much study, I don't understand the thinking of cult members. I understand better than a majority of Christians, but your input would be very much appreciated.
Manasas 79 that’s awesome that you left this organization, and that you have come to know that Christ Jesus is Jehovah God. That’s excellent I’m very proud of you and I can just say this welcome to the family of Christ, you will never be shunned you will never be sent out nobody will ever make fun of you nobody will ever say anything bad to you if you ever have any questions please ask. If you have a stunt question about the Bible please ask. Let me put it this way Jehovah’s Witnesses have always thought themselves as acting like they know everything, they try to “Matthew 24 verse 24 and 26 and verse 27 saying yes the governing body is allowed to be in control because Jesus told him to be when Jesus never said anything as such. Nor did Jesus ever tell them to make up false states about his coming return actually Jesus says completely the opposite. So I’m very proud of you that’s excellent that you’ve done this God bless you man I don’t mean to repeat myself but very proud of you dude welcome to the family of Christ.
@@RowanTasmanian Rohan what a very good question that you gave me and that was very excellent, here’s what I do typically Eric and I are friends on Facebook and I’ve watched several of his videos and I agree with them. Fellow brother in Christ and everything we’re trying to bring logic out to people and show them who Jesus is. Here’s how I typically talk to a Jehovah’s Witness as a Christian apologist. I asked them about their literature, they say oh yeah and they give me a description that yes Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel he’s not Jehovah God he’s mighty etc. but Jehovah God is called all mighty and things like that. And I go OK OK, and then I use their own doctrine against them, because from what their doctor and teaches in the new translation it teaches completely the opposite of what they teach in their organization and they don’t realize this. But whenever they try to hop to different topics I had a JW talk to me the other Day on the phone, and he tried to jump to different topics I said hold on hold on listen, I said is Jehovah God ever called mighty he said no I said he isn’t, are you sure? He goes yes and I said OK well according to your New World translation he is, he goes no he’s not I said if you have your New World translation on you jump over to Jeremiah chapter 32 verse 18 then after that go over to Deuteronomy chapter 10 verse 17, and then I said after that go over to Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 I said then go over to Isaiah chapter 20 verse 20. And ask him OK according to your new world translation Jehovah God by name is called mighty, they will tell you that that’s not true and you just tell them well your new world translation says otherwise. And then you can take them to the passages where it says that. So when I showed these Jehovah’s Witness guys that called me on the phone they stopped for like 10 seconds in Reddit. They read the passage, then he started going over to Isaiah 53 I said hold on stay on one topic stay right there I said you just told me that Jehovah God is only called Almighty and they’re like well because he is I said no no no no yes I said no I said Jehovah God is also called mighty referring both to the father and the son, I said now we can go over to revelation if you want to where Jesus claims to be the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beginning and the end or like he’s talking about from the dead I’m like no he did not I said he is the first and last from the dead I said however he’s talking about that he is God that he is Jehovah direct where do you say this at where does he say this, I said glad you asked. I said go over to Revelation chapter 1 verse seven and eight who was the one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven they will see Jehovah God am I OK let’s do it again who is the one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven, they’ll be like Jehovah God I’m like let’s try again who is the one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven when he said to the Pharisees that you will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven and sitting at the right hand of the mighty one Who said that they will not answer it, and when you tell them Jesus said that and put it to revelation chapter 1 verse seven verse eight they will tell you you can’t do that I will tell them yes I can and I also referred to psalm chapter 95 or seven and I said now go over to John chapter 10 verse 11 I said who does Jesus claim to be they say you can’t take a passage and automatically put it into the Old Testament like that they said you can’t do that. Why can I not do that, they said because now you’re giving false testimony I said no I’m not I said because Christ Jesus is the one that was quoting yet I said he was the one that was quoting psalm chapter 95 verse seven and taking all the attributes of God upon himself and I said the Pharisees knew this about us they knew what Jesus was saying and they didn’t agree with it, I said therefore when he took on the attributes of God upon himself he claimed to be Jehovah God. I said who pours at the Holy Spirit I asked this guy, he said well Jehovah God does I said Jesus does the same thing that Jehovah does I said I said to him hold on Michael and I told him, I said Michael listen to me you just told me that Jesus Christ is also created right that is Michael the Archangel he said yes I said OK then Jehovah God according to John chapter 17 verse three in your New World translation Jehovah God‘s gonna destroy him he said no I said according to your New World translation Jesus would be a false God who Jehovah God is going to destroy. He said no I said why because Jesus is the son of God I said there you go I said you just admitted to me that Jesus Christ is Jehovah God, he goes I never said that I said you just told me that Jesus is the son of God right, he goes yeah you just win against the watchtower You just win against him I said now repent and give your life to Christ. He goes I never called Jesus Jehovah is it you just said that he was the son of God, there I guess the son I said the son of God that means he is God in human form you just admitted it. He’s like give me a break man, I should Michael you just told me that Jesus is the son of God, he goes yes I did it said therefore you just went against the watchtower and said that he is Jehovah you just said it.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 G'day Jeremiah, you certainly got that JW tied up into knots. It is certainly an airtight argument. As you stated, using logic, the JW has nowhere to go. Thanks for the Chat.
With the voice of an archangel. In the roman times of the bible they did not have tv, social media , photos or newsprint. Thus when a dignitary traveled through out the empire they traveled with an escort which included trumpeters to blow the trumpets to attract attention so the locals could gather at the village square. Then one of the company with a very loud voice would announce who the dignitary was and his purpose for being there.
My father has been stolen from me by this manipulative organization!!!! It’s taken years, but I think I’m finally getting through to him🙏🙏 The people are good, the organization is evil!!!! I’d love to talk to you, but I’m just a nobody crane operator from Pittsburgh. This cult needs called out!! I have done my homework and I could show you lots more wrong with the watchtower!!!!
They're so horrible aren't they.....lmao.....they are kind respectful people that go door to door speaking on biblical subjects....they abstain from global movements that are pathetic including indoctrination of lgbtq......such bad people....😅😅😅
@@theurbanthirdhomestead while the bible teach Jehovah is the most high (Psalm 83:18) and Jesus is son of the most high (Luke 1:28-32), JEsus foretold will reject the majority of the so call christians (Matthew 7:21-23)
I got out in 2002 I was in it for 25 years and even way back then in the 70s 80s and 90s we always knew that they said Jesus was Michael and Michael was Jesus but since I got out I know a whole lot better about who is who
@@jerryjohanan1940 do you know allso that. Jessus is allso our brother. If you dont know that you dont kmow many other attributes of jessus and of his father.do you.
Exactly! You hit the nail on the head. That has always been my thoughts on what this scripture is describing here. We all know royalty had used this throughout history. 👍 even as a born in, and early in my life I always saw this scripture that way. I’m sorry, but it’s clear they saw it too, but had their own agenda to keep to.
JW's didn't invent this teaching. The 1560 Geniva bible notes always identify Michael the Archangel as being Jesus. Also, Matthew Henery calls Michael Jesus Christ in his complete commentary on Daniel 10. It must have been a common teaching in early Christian doctrine. Look it up.
It never ceases to amaze me how folks will blatantly ignore 20+ passages that all say Jesus is God in favor of a “Jesus is Michael” teaching that doesn’t even exist in Scripture… hence the power of indoctrination
@@ericschaeffer8288 yeshua is both Michael and yahweh. Yahweh is not the God the father. El is God the father. Yahweh is God the son. Michael is the protector of Israel just as yahweh is protector of Israel. Michael is not a created being. Michael mean who is like el. No one is like el but yahweh. He call an angel because he a message. El, yahweh and the holy spirit are the Elohim. People read the Bible in Hebrew and Greek. That why jehovah witnesses and mainstream Christianity get it wrong.
@@ericschaeffer8288 there are 40 verses that shows Michael been the firstson of the almighty, the one the Almighty sent to earth and that he is also a divine being (god) but not the almighty.
@@ericschaeffer8288 It never ceases to amaze me how folks will blatantly ignore 40+ passages showing Jesus been the name given to the first heavenly Angel of almighty
@@ericschaeffer8288 Jesus is NOT THE NAME OF GOD !!! Many Israelites bear in Bible the name Jesus. Did they steal God's holy name??? THIS IS WHAT SUPER-DEEP THINKING IS ALL ABOUT!
@@juancastro2798 Michael is not a created being. His name "Michael" means "He who is like God". For any angel to take such a name would be blaspheme. His title "Arch" angel simply means "Head"/"Chief" over all the angels. I Thess 4:16 shows Jesus has the voice of the Archangel. Jude 9 shows Michael has the power to raise the dead. Created angels cannot do this on their own. There are other texts in the bible that show Jesus and Michael are one and the same. A zookeeper is not one of the animals he has charge over. Bad example but there you go. Misunderstanding who Jesus really is (or only understanding in part), how do you know you worship the right Jesus? Then again, maybe just understanding in part is all you need? Rejecting any other biblical knowledge about Him is OK? Well, that's for God to decide actually....
@@davidstarr6604 what denomination do you attend ? In Jude 9 he’s not raising the dead. at the end of the verse he says “the lord rebuke thee” not I rebuke thee.
@@juancastro2798 What other reason could it be to argue over Moses' body in Jude 9? We know Moses was alive and well on the Mt. of Transfiguration NOT still buried in his grave. And Jesus spoke of Himself in the 3rd person many times. Just because Michael does the same is not proof they are not one and the same person. Quite the contrary actually considering the same idiosyncrasy. Michael "the Archangel" is head/chief over all the angels. That's what His title means. In Daniel 10:13 a better/literal translation of "one of the chief princes" from the original Hebrew is "Head (or chief) of the first ones (first created beings)". He is the Prince in Dan 10:21 who is (in 12:1) "the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people. He is the same being in Rev 12:7 (Michael, one who commands all the angels of heaven) as in Joshua 5:13-15 (One who commands all the "host" of heaven) and Joshua worshiped Him without being told not to as John was in Rev 19:10 and 22:8-9 concerning worshiping angels (or any created being). There's more biblical evidence which evidently you know nothing about. But Adventists (who study the scriptures for themselves) would already know this. Perhaps you were once Adventist by name (perhaps not) but you were NEVER REALLY SDA. The sad part is you don't know the scriptures BETTER than your chosen religious leader (and you refuse to do Acts 17:11) so cannot tell if you are being taught the truth or not. I don't believe in EVERYTHING the SDA church teaches. And I will get on 'em whenever they teach something not biblical. But, for the most part, their teachings are more accurate (more in accord with the bible) than any other so-called Christian denomination whose teachings I have studied. So, what denomination are you now?
Wait, i just laughed on the argument of the Archangel's voice, But he also came the sound of the trumpet, is now Jesus also a #TRUMPET according to JWs????
Are you a man? what kind of voice you have? a man s voice or a female one? if you are a man would you be offended if someone says your voice is different of what you really are? if you have a voice of a man and hammer in your hand...what are you a man or a hammer?
@@amc3463 Oh yes it says in Daniel 12:1-2 that during the end time Michael the great heavenl prince who is by the way the frist son of God in heaven will bring Armagedon and after that God s servant are going to be save and people who have died will be resurrect
Jesus is not an angel. There is also no biblical evidence that Michael is an angel either. He is the "Arch" angel (head or chief over all the angels). The name itself "Michael" means "He who is like God". For any angel to take such a name would be blaspheme.
@@moisesbeyond Lack of any biblical evidence that any angel has ever created anything. And the fact that every time God (our Creator) wishes to stress the fact that He is in fact God compared to the pagan gods of the other nations is to proclaim He is the One who created all things. Isa 44:24 and 43:7-13 might interest you. God reserves His creative ability to Himself only, no one else.
@@moisesbeyond Even animals can make babies. Does that make them creators of ALL things? No one but the Creator God can make something out of nothing. Even the carpenter needs wood to work with. He is creator of the table but did not make the tree to grow from nothing. Three scientists announce to God, "We don't need you any more. We have discovered the secrets to life and can make any type of life we wish." God says to them, "OK, I accept your challenge. Show me." One of the scientists picks up some dirt and holds it out for a moment. "Nope," says God, "You have to get your own dirt."..... I believe what the bible says. "There are three that bear record in heaven." Three separate beings that work as one, in one accord, with one mind. I don't like the word "Trinity" because of it's Catholic connotations but the concept is biblically sound. "Godhead" would be a better term. The "Elohim" in the creation story is a plural form of the word "Eloha" meaning of at least 3 celestial beings. Those 3 even discuss among themselves what to make before actually making it. Are you married? Ever call your spouse your "better half"? Half of what? Gen 2:24 shows 2 separate people but one being (creation) - "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have existed since eternity in the past and will always exist eternity future.
When the Apostle Paul was converted on the way to Damascus, Jesus said to him, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting." (Acts 9:1-7). Before the death of Stephen he saw Jesus in Heaven (Acts 7:55-56). Micheal is NOT mentioned in either of these experiences.
@@moisesbeyondyea he is but that didn’t mean he had to be in the specific form of God as he’s not when he died and got resurrected they seen him as a human and he went to heaven with God but before he even came to earth his name was Michael
@@moisesbeyond Daniel 12:1-3 1.And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2.And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.3.And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. ( There is no other great prince than Jesus and this verses talking about Jesus deliverance of his people - Second Coming ) 1Thessalonians 4:16-18 16.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17.Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18.Wherefore comfort one another with these words. ( With the voice of the archangel ) it's indicated that Jesus is Michael the archangel. Jude 1:9 9.Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Michael the archangel said " The Lord rebuke thee ". He(Jesus) referred to his Father. Moses was raise from death by Michael the archangel (Jesus). Bible teach that Moses is death and rose when Jesus in human flesh on this earth talking in Mt.olive with moses and Elijah in transfiguration. Revelation 12:7-9 7.And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8.And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9.And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ( Before earth is form and before adam n eve form and fall into sin ). Michael the archangel is Jesus.
@@michaelhaigh9182 SDA does not believe the same thing as JWs. JWs believe that Jesus and Michael are one and the same created being. SDA teaches that Jesus Christ is Lord and he is God. Michael is a representation of Jesus Christ.
Very soon Jesus and "others"will be leading the angelic forces at Armageddon removing all who do not know God His father Jehovah and do not have faith in the son So if Jesus has such a high position with power will be King and all that. Why shouldn't he be MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL think about that. Unless you're out to prove JW wrong.
Haha! JW’s on here typing a comment so they can claim an hour of field service for the month in order to be considered a publisher. Back in the old days you could count on getting a letter in the mail at the end of the month from an aquaintance that was an aux pioneer, or a visit from elders that hadn’t been out in service that month. Now with the internet people can service a JW’s status in the congregation without that person putting on a suit. Super convienent low effort status crutch.
The Bible does not explicitly state that "Michael is not Jesus." However, there are certain verses that differentiate between Michael and Jesus, suggesting that they are distinct beings. One such verse is found in Jude 1:9, which says, "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!'" This verse portrays Michael as an archangel, distinct from the Lord (Jesus). Another verse that highlights the distinction between Michael and Jesus is Hebrews 1:5, which says, "For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? Or again, 'I will be his Father, and he will be my Son'?" This verse emphasizes that Jesus is the Son of God, while angels, including Michael, are not. These verses, among others, suggest that Michael and Jesus are distinct beings in the Bible.
It's a real simple argument. Just ask them if the angels in heaven have the power given by God Almighty himself to forgive sins? Can an angel forgive our sins? The answer of this is exactly what you think it is, No!!! I have a very particular insight to Jehovah's Witnesses because right after I married my wife four years ago she thought that it would be better if she goes back to the cult and her false religion where she was shunned at because she left in her teens. As I've tried to witness for her for Christ I am just now breaking through the ice where I can talk to her without yelling and screaming at each other. I have to remember God loves them, too. And even though I'm way off of being yoked evenly, as scripture says we should do, I have accepted this role of disproportional beliefs because I have chosen it. I pray for my wife and her family. She has been brought up in this organization since birth. I have experience in dealing with Jehovah Witnesses, and I hear the meetings go on when my wife can't go to the Kingdom Hall because of covid. Let me be clear, Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're reading this. You do not have Bible studies. They get together, and read the words of their God, the God of this world, the Watchtower. You really know a Jehovah's Witnesses for a long time they don't get their Bibles out and study and read scripture together. All of their education comes from the governing body that makes up this false religion. They can not accept what Jesus did for us. They have this twisted perverted idea that they're going to be in God's favor and that they are God's chosen people off how many doors they knock and try to convert people to Jehovah's Witnesses. They say that nobody can learn the Bible on their own because it's too hard. This is because they do not believe the Holy Spirit and Jesus are one, but the father is not the son the son is not the father the holy spirit is not the father and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus but three people in one. They say that Grace and Faith is not enough because it can't be that easy. This is because the Watchtower has systematically diluted the role of Jesus and his divinity years and years of mine control, and behavior control. You cannot boil a frog if you turn the heat all the way up, he will jump out of the pot but if you slowly turn up the heat and long increments, the Frog will stay in the water until it gets boiled alive. Jehovah's Witnesses are obsessed with the end of the world, but now I can see in Revelation where Jesus says they'll be a great Falling Away. I understand now what he said because if the Antichrist came tomorrow and all the Christians getting rounded up m'face death or either that or change our faith. I am convinced that Jehovah's Witnesses in all the other false religions in the world wouldn't even know what is happening because they never understood what Jesus meant by Christians in the first place Christians in the first place. And if you would hear some of their talk they would be fine because we believe Jesus is God
God bless you and thank you for all you do for the Cause of Christ!!!! JWs need to hear and read the TRUTH… keep praying for them and shining a light on Watchtower lies!!! God desires no man perish!!
@@archangeljesus4369 Hebrews 1 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@archangeljesus4369 AJ, I hope this helps: Just because Jesus will come “with the voice of the archangel” does not ergo MAKE HIM the archangel as you would like to believe. As a child I recall mom coming to the dining table with our dinner “with the voice of” my dad who would announce Children come to the table to eat! That did not therefore make my mom dad or my dad mom. Scripture proves Scripture. Many places in Scripture state clearly that Jesus is unique as God’s Only Begotten Son, far higher than the angels whom - ALL of them - BOW DOWN TO WORSHIP JESUS. How do you reconcile the many places in Scripture that debunk your notion, including the places where Michael is called “one of the chief princes” like Daniel 10:13? Jesus was not “one of” ANYTHING, but HE IS THE CHIEF PRIEST ONLY BEGOTTEN SON and will not be “lumped in with anyone or anything” for HE is GOD incarnate. GOD will not be mocked- Come to JESUS before it’s too late!! God desires not that you perish!
To compare the organization in the modern era to the 1800s Is absurd. The Bible students of that era came right out of Protestantism. Of COURSE Their scriptural understanding Would mirror the churches that they came from. From the way you're talking, you sound like you think they appeared on the world scene with thier doctrine fully formed. Yes - it's the parallels that have them believing they are the same person. You act like thiers only one when thier is closer to a dozen. Obviously just one parallel isn't indicative of anything. So I'm not sure why you think bringing up the military commander thing, is a smart rebuttal 🙄
Your videos give a lot of information within a small time frame. My boyfriend is currently in the congregation, being born in it actually. He’s so split with being a whiteness and wanting to just go out and live his life to the fullest. (Since it’s not recommended to date outside the congregation) I know I can’t convince him within a day, it takes time and effort and I’m willing to challenge him on his religion. I just want to say thank you.
Great encouragement Breanna… I have always seen it like choppy down a big tree with a hatchet. It takes many strokes over a long period of time… but it will eventually fall:)
@@Mr.DC3.1914 great copy and paste. Now DC 1 debate properly. Your off topic copy and paste is nonsense. Since your a JW, are you not living in the last of the last of undoubtedly the final part of the last day, a statement from your mate Lett.
@@ricklee5802official.1Rope_fan 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is a powerful proof for Christ as Archangel Michael. The Appendix in the book 'the Angel of the Lord' (by Trinitarians) even recognized it as such.
Sadly they believe their translation is the best of all even though it is Garbage and he didn't use his translation once,but this guys using 5 different translations out of context this is sad
Google, Yahoo, and other search engines needs to charge their perspective about what's the most accurate Bible! The say that their "bible" is the most accurate but they change, remove, and "translate" it very inaccurate just to fit their beliefs
Quickly unsubscribe when you learn that he's not actually a Christian. He weaponizes the Bible to feel less guilt over his own bigotry and prejudices. He's amazingly misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, and racist.
Great, you are so correct. After listening and arguing with my JW friend, I have to listen to your videos see how wrong they are. They all live in their own world. I am a Presbyterian, and they had no idea who John Calvin or John Know were. Just goes to show. Keep up the good work.
Summary of early church figures who are believed to have associated Jesus with Michael, or at least with a divine angelic role: 1. **Justin Martyr (100-165 AD)**: Justin Martyr, an early Christian apologist, often referred to Jesus as the “Angel of the Lord.” In his writings, he mentions Christ as the “Angel” who appeared in Old Testament events, such as to Moses in the burning bush. Although he doesn’t directly identify Jesus as Michael, Justin’s concept of Jesus as the “Angel” or “Messenger of God” appears notably in his work *Dialogue with Trypho*. 2. **Hippolytus of Rome (170-235 AD)**: Hippolytus, a Christian theologian in Rome, suggested that Jesus was the figure conveying God’s message to the prophets and could be viewed as the angelic leader of heaven’s armies. While he doesn’t explicitly call Jesus Michael, in his work *On Christ and Antichrist*, he presents Jesus as the heavenly leader. 3. **Cyril of Alexandria (376-444 AD)**: Cyril connected Jesus with Michael as the leader of heavenly armies, interpreting Michael as an expression of Jesus’ power in overcoming dark forces. Cyril sees the role of Jesus aligned with the cosmic battle described in Revelation 12. 4. **Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)**: Although not from the early church period, Thomas Aquinas commented on Michael in his *Summa Theologica*, stating that Michael acts as the church’s defender and archangel directly connected to Christ. Aquinas didn’t claim Jesus is Michael, but he portrayed Michael as a divine protector, a role often associated with Christ in Scripture. 5. **Origen of Alexandria (185-253 AD)**: Origen expanded on the hierarchy of angels and referred to Jesus as the “Great Angel of God.” While he didn’t directly say Jesus is Michael, he supported the view that Jesus has a unique heavenly role similar to Michael’s. Though these early writings don’t directly name Jesus as Michael, the idea that Jesus held a special angelic role or leadership position in heaven was present in early Christian thought.
Good video. Here are some of my notes on 1 Thessalonians 4:16. -We know Jesus will infact be accompanied by angels when he returns Matt 24:31 -Battle Cries can come from the King's army 1 Samuel 17:20 -Joel 2:1 speaks of the blowing of a horn and a battle cry -"the" in Jude does not always mean ONLY (See 2 Tim 4:14, Luke 6:15, Matt 26:6 and Acts 10:32) -Hebrews 1:5, 1:13 & 2:5 make it clear that Jesus is not an Angel. -Zephaniah 1:14-16 is another example of someone OTHER than God Crying out on his day also accompanied by a Horn.
Great video. I’ve also had an issue surrounding Jesus BEING God himself… Why would Jesus pray to himself throughout the bible? Why would his call out “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me” if Jesus IS God? You explain things so well in your videos, so hopefully you can help me out with this one :)
Hi! Maybe I can offer some clarity in those questions. 1. Did Jesus pray to Himself? No. Jesus prayed to His Father. You might be thinking, "So, God prayed to Himself then?" Not really. That's because, while both Jesus and His Father are the one God, they are still different, distinct persons. In the case of John 17, for instance, the person of the Son is praying, while the person of the Father is receiving prayer. So, while both are God, God is not praying to Himself, because the person offering prayer is not the person receiving it. If this sounds confusing, it might be because you've been taught to think of the Trinity as a different doctrine, named Modalism. JW's especially like to use this tactic, since Modalism is easier to refute, precisely thanks to John 17. However, there are key differences between the two doctrines that I had to consider as someone who grew up as a JW myself. I would suggest looking into that difference for more details, but this is the best summary I can give: the persons at both ends of the prayer are both God, but that doesn't mean they are the same person. This is in agreement with the Trinity, which teaches that God is one being existing in three distinct persons. On the other hand, Modalism teaches God is one person, capable of expressing Himself in three modes. John 17 makes this impossible, or else the Son would truly be praying to Himself. 2. Why did Jesus say "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Well, did God forsake Jesus? Obviously not, because Jesus knew he would have to die, and because He was raised at the third day (and also, because Jesus Himself is God). So why did He say this? Jesus was actually invoking a well known Jewish custom, where one would recite the opening verse of a Psalm to bring that Psalm to the mind of the listener. In this case, Jesus was quoting from Psalm 22:1. If you read this Psalm, you will realize why Jesus quoted it right before he died - the Psalm pretty much predicted some key elements of Jesus' crucifixion. Namely, verses 16 to 18 are pretty impressive. Hope that clarifies those doubts. Keep searching, the truth is there for you to find it!
@@thelogicalduck8802 where in the Bible does it teach explicit that there are "person of" one God. That from a false doctrine made by man interpret into the Bible.
I came across another reason this morning why we know Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel.... **You can see Jesus is the same as Michael the Archangel by comparing Genesis with Revelation...*** Genesis shows God cryptically explaining how he would undo the situation of rebellion by Satan, Adam and Eve (a purpose/plan). *He talks of a seed/offspring produced by a woman that would put an end to the serpent...* Genesis 3:14,15 New Living Translation *14The LORD God said to the serpent,* “Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all the cattle, And more than any animal of the field; On your belly you shall go, And dust you shall eat All the days of your life. *15“And I will put enmity (open hostility) Between you and the woman, And between your seed (offspring) and her [e]Seed; He shall [fatally] bruise your head, And you shall [only] bruise His heel.”* *The Apostle Paul shows this seed/offspring is Jesus.* Galatians 3:16 Amplified Bible 16Now the promises [in the covenants] were decreed to Abraham and to his seed. God does not say, “And to seeds (descendants, heirs),” as if [referring] to many [persons], but as to one, *“And to your Seed,” who is [none other than] Christ.* *Revelation shows the woman of Genesis is heavenly and she produces the Messiah/chosen Ruler. That chosen ruler Michael then fights the serpent who is identified as Satan and throws him out of heaven to the earth * Revelation 12:1,2,7-10 Amplified Bible *The Woman, Israel* 1And a great sign [warning of an ominous and frightening future event] appeared *in heaven: a [a]woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was with child (the Messiah) and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.* *The Angel, Michael* 7And war broke out in heaven, *Michael [the archangel] and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought,* 8but they were not strong enough and did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. *9And the great dragon was thrown down, the age-old serpent who is called the [d]devil and Satan, he who continually deceives and seduces the entire inhabited world; he was thrown down to the earth,* and his angels were thrown down with him. *10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom (dominion, reign) of our God, and the authority of His Christ have come;* for the [e]accuser of our [believing] brothers and sisters has been thrown down [at last], he who accuses them and keeps bringing charges [of sinful behavior] against them before our God day and night. Then Satan is imprisoned by an angel, which would logically be Michael again. After Satan is allowed out on earth to test perfect mankind one final time, he is then destroyed. Revelation 20:1-3 Amplified Bible Satan Bound *1[a]And then I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding the key of the abyss (the bottomless pit) and a great chain was in his hand. 2And he overpowered and laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent [of primeval times], who is the devil and Satan, and bound him [securely] for a thousand years (a millennium); 3and the angel hurled him into the abyss,* and closed it and sealed it above him [preventing his escape or rescue], so that he would no longer deceive and seduce the nations, until the thousand years were at an end. After these things he must be liberated for a short time. This action leaves a lasting message to anyone who would rebel against God (like Satan, Adam and Eve did). Revelation 21:7-10 New Living Translation *The Defeat of Satan 7When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison. 8He will go out to deceive the nations-called Gog and Magog- *in every corner of the earth.* He will gather them together for battle-a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain *of the earth and surrounded God’s people* and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them. *10Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.* *So Michael is clearly the one spoken of in Genesis who destroys the Devil. God put his plan into motion by sending Michael to the earth. On earth he was called Jesus. So it was foretold that Jesus would be born to bring mankind close to God.* Matthew 1:22,23 New Living Translation 22All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet: *23“Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel,j which means ‘God is with us.’”* Ephesians 1:10 New Living Translation And this is the plan: *At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ-everything in heaven and on earth.* Galatians 4:4 New Living Translation *But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman,* subject to the law. Luke 1:31-33 New Living Translation 31You will conceive and give birth to a son, *and you will name him Jesus. 32He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High.* The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. *33And he will reign over Israelf forever; his Kingdom will never end!”* 1 John 3:8 New International Version The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. *The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work*
Great video! Another tricky thing JW's do is insert the words "Evidently then" or "Reasonably then" as they interpret a scripture and twist it into a strange doctrine as this one. The Reasoning From the Scriptures book is a good reference for this.
@@scottgrey2877 Based on scripture, Jesus is the only begotten son. That is solid doctrine. The strange doctrine JW's try to prove is that Jesus is a mere angel, Micheal. However, Hebrews chapter 1 shows Jesus is not an angel.
@@eew8060 Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever." Jesus is never spoken of as an angel, or Michael the archangel.
@@eyeswideopen8570 Hebrews 1:5 "having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs." Not one inheritance episode in scripture where one receives an inheritance over a group he is NOT apart of. In other words this greater name is a firstborns portion. (Deuteronomy 21:17)
@Matthew. 28:19-20 ,Jesus said, "look, i am with you always until theclose of these ages, but until the apostles died, they never seen Jesus literally, so, to the Jw's.were right that Jesus back into an Archangel Michael,
Satan wants to hide the real Jesus of the bible any way he can because he knows people who die WITHOUT the real Jesus will end up in hell. The very hell JW's say doesn't exist, but just like these passages that prove Jesus is God, there are many other passages that talk about hellfire. In fact, Jesus spoke MORE about hell than He did of heaven. Great video, please continue with more!
@@bobbycecere1037 YOU only believe what you have been taught. Lean what God has said about Jesus, He's God the Son and NOT an angel and certainly NOT Michael the Archangel. Let's see what the Father says about the Son.... Hebrews 1:5-6 For to WHICH of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”? 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God WORSHIP Him.” There's your bible lesson for the day, something the Watchtower will never tell you because it's the truth.
@GreenEyesAnthony There is no argument you could come up with that they haven't addressed. However I'm not here to debate that particular topic. It doesn't really matter to me whether you think Christ is the archangel Michael. That particular doctrine doesn't change scripture in relation to salvation in any meaningful way. It's your belief in the Trinity that changes everything. Your faith is fundamentally different if you think Yahweh & Yeshua are one.
@@bobbycecere1037 I don't only believe that, i believe The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ALL ONE. Why, because the bible teaches they are all One God, not three. The Trinity is doctrinal teaching from Genesis to revelation. AGAIN, you need to be taught they are not because simple reading of scripture proves it. So your only problem is are you going to listen to man or will you listen to what God says about Himself??
@GreenEyesAnthony The Bible definitely does not teach the triune Godhead theory. We know exactly where that doctrine came from. We also know around when it was introduced and by whom. You CAN misinterpret a handful of passages because they can sound like that ridiculous teaching but thier are far more passages that say the exact opposite.
G'day Eric I have an idea for your next video. It’s regarding the Faithful and Discreet Slave, I have noticed there have been 6 versions of the Slave ie Charles Taze Russell,144,000, the Remnant, the Watchtower, the Entire Congregation and the GB. That’s SIX F & D Slaves. If the JWs claim the F and D Slave got this policy or that policy correct, the logical question would be which VERSION OR VARIANT of the Slave are you referring to. I’ll give an example. The JWs state that Jesus came and selected the F and D Slave in 1919. When this was stated in the WT magazine and their book Vindication Volume 3 1932 this indicated the F and D Slave was the Remnant and definitely was not the GB which was only made the F& D Slave in 2013. My main point is how can the GB be credited with the Title of F & D Slave that Jesus chose as His F & D Slave in 1919 when, according to their writings, it was the Remnant who were the F & D Slave in 1919. The GB and their so-called Legitimacy of being the F & D Slave hinges precisely on this point. The F & D Slave CANNOT be all 6 Variants. 1) Charles Taze Russell 2) 144,000 3) The Remnant 4) The Watchtower Magazine 5) all JWs 6) The Governing Body.
G'day Eric, great video. Somehow the title of the video is incorrect. It only states "September 12 2022" and not anything explaining what the actual content is. Thanks Mate for a very informative video.
Why would he change his name to JESUS and hide his true identity? If JESUS is Michael because he came with the voice of an Archangel (could also be Raphael or Gabriel) and he comes with the sound of a trumpet in the same verse, is he a trumpet?
@@Episcopalianacolyte1. He didn’t change his name, as a human the name that was given to him was commanded to be given, and also no where is Gabriel or another angel given the title of archangel
@@Episcopalianacolyte and what does it says two chapters laters? why you avoid to read 12:1-2?? Oh I know you think if you dont read them it wont be true....but Daniel 12:1-2 was written 2500 years ago and also Revelation in many places shoe Jesus been the most powerful Angel, but you are not allowed to read Revelation.
I often use Dan 10:1-13 in relation to Rev 1: 14-16 to disprove that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. That is, how could Jesus be Michael if he is the one speaking of Michael? I have yet to see a person who believes Jesus is Michael come back from that argument.
Matthew 16:13-16 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” Then asked, who do you say I am? Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
WHO IS THE STAR IN NUMBERS 24:17? That is Jesus. It is the same Hebrew word used in Job 38:7 for the morning stars. So as Jesus is called THE BRIGHT morning star (REV 22:16) so also are the other morning stars(angels). So Jesus is the CHIEF Angel with the archangel's voice (1 Thes 4:16). Jesus is called Prince of Peace in Isa 9:6 and the original Hebrew word for Prince means PATRON ANGEL which is the same Hebrew Word used for Michael the archangel in Daniel.
As for the JW cult,even main stream christian truth from the bible contradicts their idea of Jesus being Michael the archangel.This is refuted in the book of Hebrews 1:5For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”?
What a blessing to know that the true identity of Jesus is Michael and that Jehovah was sitting on his throne the whole time while that mere man and angel Jesus walked the earth 😊
Holman Christian Standard Bible So He became higher in rank than the angels, just as the name He inherited is superior to theirs. Hebrews 1:4 Promoted in rank, when he returned to heaven. God does not need a superior position....since he alone holds the Most High position over all the earth, according to Psalm 83:18......however, Jesus was given a promotion in rank, for his faithful course, to sit at God's right hand.
God bless you sir. Awesome info. This message is blessing me and I will share with others. Can’t wait for your next video. Not sure if you have done one on blood transfusions or about holidays that JWS are pagan. JW’s don’t believe in sin or hell……….just suggestions
@@ericschaeffer8288 maybe a video on the trinity….ooooh that would be great. I’m finding it a little difficult( and it’s probably not difficult) to explain. I have a binder dedicated to your and 2 other people on you tube explanations on the Word Of God. Thank you I’ve learned sooo much from you. Truly appreciate you and your efforts. I say these things with nothing but respect
Hey, I came across your video & watched it all over again, I laughed like I did the first time when you came up with Felix the cat, Bozo the clown, Popeye the sailor, don't know why it just made me laugh up a storm!
Summer, you have been deceived.. there is not ONE scripture in the entire Bible CLEARLY saying Jesus is Michael the Archangel. It’s an earth shattering revelation that SHOULD be revealed in the Bible, but ISN’T!!.. Your very ETERNAL destiny is at stake, and God will hold you accountable for, as Jesus said “forsaking the Word of God for the doctrines of men” Mark 7:8. ... According to Daniel 10:13, it CLEARLY says Michael is ONE of the chief princes.
Jesus tells you himself that he is an Archangel. “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” Revelation 22:16 KJV A morning star is an Archangel. He is not just a morning star is the brightest. You need no more than this verse to understand who Jesus is.
Then, why did Jesus say, '..I sent my angel to testify unto you these things..' He clearly said, he sent his angel. The Bright, and morning star. Let see how much you understand. I have taken the word and out for the purpose of you to understand. *"I am the Root, Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."*
@@Gatteleylife9957 If I've studied anything, without a filtered lens, is the theology of the Trinity. It's never made sense, not just to me, but to anyone. Even to people who believe in it. There is more biblical truth of Jesus being Michael, than the Trinity being found in the bible. John 10:30 The Father and I are one. This verse alone destroys any belief in the Trinity.
@@cipherspace2503 Or, Revelation 1: 1 " A revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him. .." He's up in heaven now , and he is still isn't in possession of all knowledge.
There are many, many, many passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too. Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. Today, if only you would hear his voice, Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God. John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God. John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was. John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us. A human being is what I am. u/TrinityIsTruth is who I am. God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people. The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus. Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour. John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Gensis 32:22-32. Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58 Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven. Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father. Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later. In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four. Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal. Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
I've been studying the Bible with JW for about 8 months now and this week learned of Gog of Magog which lead me to Jesus being Michael the archangel. I'm so confused on this lol there's so many interpretations of the Bible.
Read *Romans 10:9-17* and *Romans 14:5-11* in context in a normal Bible (ESV, NKJV, NIV, KJV, etc) and ask yourself who is the "Lord" in Romans 10:13 and Romans 14:8. Then read the same text in NWT and see if you reach the same conclusion or if something is different ❓🧐
Remember, confusion is not from the Lord… there is a reason the world calls the Watchtower a cult. . Here is a simple test… is there one time Jesus is called Michael in the Bible? Or do we have to make up creative scenarios to make this fit? . Another test: . Is there one time Jesus is called God in the Bible?… without the use of creative scenarios? . Jesus is Michael- no clear text exists . Jesus is God - JESUS IS CALLED: "mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6) "God with us" (Matthew 1:23) “God” (John 1:1) "my Lord and my God" (John 20:28) "great God and Savior" (Titus 2:13) “God” (Hebrews 1:8) "God and Savior" (2 Peter 1:1) JESUS SAID: "Before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58) "the Father and I are one" (John 10:30) "he that sees Me, sees the Father" (John 14:9) "I am the First and the Last" (Rev. 1:17-18) "I am the Alpha and Omega" (Rev. 22:12-13) JESUS DID THINGS ONLY RESERVED FOR JEHOVAH: Raise Himself from the dead. (John 2:19-21, 10:18) Receives worship. (Mat. 2:11,14:33, 28:9, John 9:38, Heb. 1:6) Forgives sins (Mark 2:5-7) Only name by which to be saved (Acts 4:12) These things do not make any sense, unless of course, Jesus is God.
There are many, many, many passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too. Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. Today, if only you would hear his voice, Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God. John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God. John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was. John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us. A human being is what I am. u/TrinityIsTruth is who I am. God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people. The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus. Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour. John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Gensis 32:22-32. Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58 Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven. Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father. Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later. In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four. Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal. Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
Believing Michael is another name for Jesus is not heretical as long as you understand that Jesus is fully God just as the Father and Holy Spirit. There are good Biblical arguments to sustain such a view. Adventists affirm orthodox Trinitarian views and historically have identified Michael as another name for Christ. This is similar to the Angel of the Lord identified at various place in Scripture as God. (Ex. 3, Jos. 5 & 6)
@@PrairieChristianOutreach Micah 5:2 (the prophecy of Jesus' birth in Bethlehem) shows Him as existing since time past immortal. The original Hebrew word for "everlasting" here is "olam" (everlasting time in the past). Paul (in Heb chapter 1) quotes, in part, from Ps 45:6-7 In the case of Heb 1:8 the original Greek is "eis aiōn aiōn" (from forever to forever). For Ps 45:6 it is "olam ad" (there's that word again) - "from forever past to forever future". And just who is the God of God? Heb 1:9; Ps 45:7? The answer is simple. Heb 1 shows the Son of God created all things and rules from eternity to eternity. Ps 45:6-7 also shows this. God the Father is the God of Jesus His son. I expect people to argue but there's the scriptures for this (some of them anyway, there's more).
@@davidstarr6604 Interesting assessment, especially Ps. 45:6-7. That is indeed an intriguing passage. I believe it can be connected to Phil. 2:9 and the idea that Jesus submitted to the Father and in turn the Father exhausted the Son. I believe the Bible indicates that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of the same substance. Meaning they are by nature all one God. That is the natural conclusion of having all three persons being all knowing, all powerful, and all present. (Ps. 155:3, Is. 55:11, John 14:9)
@@davidstarr6604 Regarding Michael being Jesus, the biggest objection is Jude 9, however it does parallel Zech. 3:1-5. I conclude that is exactly how God dealt with Satan. He would not revile Satan, but rather defeated him by the life and death of Jesus Christ. In some regards this is classic Christus Victor atonement theory, which is one of the oldest theories in church history.
I currently asked a jws on God being *the only true God.* for which they were 100% on the subject. They talked on the Trinity. And they are convinced that we worship 3 gods. We continue with our conversation. At the end. And they just couldn't keep up with the understanding they supposably had. Yup.... they choke up to there own understanding of bible. They said at the end. "Well, we just share the truth. If you don't what to expected. Know that your not excepting the bible." So I told them. "But why can't you answer biblically? Yes.... you have this part right but the other is assumed. No bible supported to say that's the way it is."
I love it when people say that Michael the archangel went to war or battled Satan and his angels but never say what did they battle with. Don't think theirs any steel companies in heaven making steel for swords, amo, tanks, cannons or guns. So when it says battle what is it speaking about? Did any Angels on either side die? Suffer injuries?
Thank you for this solid logic around these matters. I have had 2 young friends who were and still are a part of that organization. We have a branch, or kingdom hall, as they are called in our community here. They were such a blessing to me in my studying of scripture but even though I see them as friends I am warned against them. Naturally I want to help them but am quite young in these matters as ive only been able to read through the whole bible once (NIV). I had to rely on things ive been told from believers and put the pieces together as I go. I have an ESV but have never fully read as I believe I have much better things to do than simply reading scriptures. But I could be mistaken. As I too am a man but have wondered if i was more than merely a man. The wisdom of the Holy bible brings clarity to these matters of the heart and soul and of all things. The Trinity of "The" Father Son and Holy Spirit is hard to grasp for a mind that understands what a father mother son and daughter is but when it comes to God those words are complex without fully matured wisdom. Thanks again.
Daniel 12 v 1 LivEng And at that time Michael will stand, the great prince who stands on behalf of the sons of your people; and there will come the time of a distress that there had not been since a nation existed up to that time; but at that time your people will come off safe, everyone that is written down in the Book Mat 24 v 20-22 But pray that your flight may not come in winter or on a sabbath; 21 for then there will be such great distress as there has not been from the beginning of the world till now, nor shall be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short no flesh would have come safe through; but because of the chosen those days will be cut short The time period ties up with that of Jesus
Why would they explicitly say that Michael is not JESUS in 1879? It seems strange that the Watchtower put that statement out more recently when no one taught or believed Michael is JESUS. No one else teaches or believes that JESUS is Michael.
I challenged a seventh day 'pAsToR' with Daniel 10:13 and he showed me his Bible, it was a Spanish Reyna Valera 1950 version and it appeared changed!! His said that Michael was THE prince, not one of.... Then he said Jesus was not god's son... I left.
@@ericschaeffer8288 my father a senior elder and brother another senior elder become aggressively defensive when I try to read on with them. Even knowing I was a victim of CSA in this cult when I was 11. Their governing body of clowns has a firm hold over them.
the Bible makes it clear there is one archangel..the great Prince Michael in Daniel 12:1-2 the one who will bring the great tribulation and after that the resurrection , it is been in the bible for more than 2500 years but mainstream christians are not allowed to read the whole bible....but sing songs
Perhaps this helps …. Let’s start with Paul who calls Jesus an angel Galatians 4:14 14 And though my physical condition was a trial for you, you did not treat me with contempt or disgust; but you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus. Because Jesus is called the firstborn of all creation in Colossians 1:15. It would certainly make sense to the known benefits of the firstborn of responsibility and priority that Jehovah would make his only begotten son the leader of the angels as the example that Jesus/Michael is. Next I say look at John 3:13 and Revelation 18:1 John 3:13 13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. Revelation 18:1 1 After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory. Jesus is the only one who descended to earth with great authority and illuminated the earth with his Glory. Revelation 18:1 calls Jesus an angel…. Now let’s go to Matthew 13:39 where it says angels are reapers…remember this. and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. Now let’s go to Revelation 14:14-16,19…. 14 Then I saw, and look! a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was someone like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Another angel emerged from the temple sanctuary, calling with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust his sickle into the earth, and the earth was reaped. 19 The angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and he hurled it into the great winepress of God’s anger. Now we know Jesus is the son of man and someone like a son of man after he was resurrected to heaven and at this time Jehovah has granted him all authority in heaven and earth except authority over Jehovah Himself. He is in the heavens… sitting on a cloud and ruling as King … the crown on his head and holding a sharp sickle in his hand and plunges it into the earth to reap it….. Now Jesus also called an angel here is the leader of the angels and is reaping the earth….who are the reapers according to Mathew 13:39? Angels, who is the leader of the angels? Michael, the archangel. Who shouts with the voice of the archangel? Jesus…. As the video mentions 1 Thessalonians 4:16 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Jesus is again descending to the earth with the voice of the archangel and the authority given to him by God…Gods trumpet to resurrect the dead.--the anointed first. Who was the angel speaking for Jehovah at the burning bush? The angel of Jehovah… the Word of God. The Word is called angel also in Zechariah 4:4-6 4 Then I asked the angel who was speaking with me: “What do these things mean, my lord?” 5 So the angel who was speaking with me asked: “Do you not know what these things mean?” I replied: “No, my lord.” 6 He then said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Ze·rubʹba·bel: ‘ Who is speaking to Zechariah? An angel…. Who does this angel identify himself as ? The Word of Jehovah. There are many passages that speak about this in Zechariah and in Daniel and in Hebrews as well…. Examine the scriptures carefully. Jesus reports that he has a new name I believe he is speaking about Michael as he was known in heaven before and Jesus to how he was known on earth. Revelation 3:12 The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
Gabriel is one of the archangels as well. But the idea that Jesus created the archangel 10:17 ... that seems to be confusing the persons of the Trinity. God the Father is the creator, THROUGH Jesus. Father, Creator, Jesus, Redeemer, Spirit, comforter. Confusing the persons ends up sounding not Trinitarian and seems to imply Oneness theology.
@@archangeljesus4369 " To which one of the angels did he ever say:" You are my Son?" They try to catch people out here. Those words were said in reference to him being the Son of Man. It was at Jesus' baptism, when his God and Father said those words. Jesus wasn't a spirit being, but a Man on earth, when he emptied himself , of his divinty, and he certainly wasn't a God Man....being put to death in the flesh, then after 3 days, being made alive in the spirit! People thought he was the gardener, and he appeared suddenly in a room where the door was locked. Christian regards.
In Genesis the fallen angles were referred to as the sons of God. As for the people he created are often referred to as his children. I understand all to well how the witnesses operate , however I find that as many times the Bible has been translated there has been quite a lot of poetic license taken in the process even to make it more likable to the reader. This leaves it very easy for people to argue in either direction. By the way I don't disagree with you. This is just an observation.❤
I am being fed this as well and I always knew Michael to be the commander of the other Angels but Jesus to be the High Commander of all Angles including Michael this is the first time in my life that I heard they're the same person and that goes for God and Jesus too,to me they're three different beings,but I would believe Jesus is God before Michael because Michael is a created being and Jesus is not plain and simple and this is with little knowledge of the Bible I just follow what the Lord turns me to!
There are many, many, many passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too. Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. Today, if only you would hear his voice, Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?” Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God. John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God. John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was. John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us. A human being is what I am. u/TrinityIsTruth is who I am. God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people. The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus. Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour. John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Gensis 32:22-32. Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58 Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven. Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father. Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later. In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four. Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal. Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
@Eric Schaeffer, this is an excellent video, and I admire your reasoning skills. The TH-camr known as 'xjw curious' produced an episode entitled, "Shocking Letter Reveals Jehovah's Witnesses True Beliefs." The letter was allegedly written by an awakened JW who, due to being trapped in a cult which ostracizes and shuns members who speak against Watch Tower dogma, chooses to present current Watch Tower teachings, not in a critical tone, but as "the truth" which every JW has embraced, allowing the beliefs to speak for themselves. The letter serves as a warning to anyone thinking about studying with Jehovah's Witnesses and helps sincere JWs to see just how ridiculous Watch Tower teachings are.
It is said in the bible many times that Jesus sits at the right side of god, if god and Jesus are the same, why is there a reason in heaven to be seperate? Why does Jesus pray not do his will but the will of god? Why does Jesus say not to call him good but god? If the bible says Jesus and god are one, it does not mean they are part of a trinity, if you marry your wife you can also say you and her are one. The messiah (Jesus) in the bible is called eternal father and mighty god. Why is this the case? It can be normal in the bible to give some a kind of title that is not literal. If Jesus was the first creation this gives him a special relationship with god, thats can be the reason that he is called the son of god and have titles that are close to god..
Jesus Christ is not Michael the archangel but the name Michael means who is like God ? And it also means a gift from God and salvation is a free gift from God 🙏
Daniel 10: 21 in this verse, the messenger says Michael is the Prince of Daniel’s people… the Prince of the Jews ? The prince of prophets? The prince of Believers ? In this verse Daniel’s people most probably means the Jews… and do you think a simple angel can be Prince of the Jews? That’s the best verse to prove that Archangel Michael is not just any angel… probably the Angel of The Lord named… And the Angel of The Lord is the Lord in ancient testament. Why don’t people realize this? Or just ignore this part of the scripture ? Just like Isaiah called him Emmanuel, other prophecies call him Michael. Let’s not forget Michael is the slender and commander of the angels. It’s his angels in the Book of revelation. Angels belong to him, but angels are only submitted to the Most High. The commander of heavens army is Yahweh Sabaoth, the Lord of the armies. How is it Michael is another commander? Again, the Angel of the Lord is the Lord. Why are people fighting this revelation ? It’s just what the scripture says.
Being a Prince doesn’t make him God or the Son of God. Important, yes… but Michael is also “one of the chief princes.” Who are these other guys? Are you saying there are others out there with Jesus’ same power and authority?
Hey Eric Shaffer! You need to get the book 'Michael and Christ' by Darrell Hannah. He is Trinitarian but he does present data that shows there are FAR MORE parallels between the two figures. He then proceeds to explain it away but I found the book invaluable even if I didn't agree with his conclusions. Another good book by a Catholic scholar is 'Jesus and the Angels' by Peter Carrell. Reading these book helped me see that JW Michael Christology is true
3:55 you can see all the similarities in one version of the Bible. JESUS is divine MICHAEL also is Divine. Just like Angel of the Lord is Divine. JW make mistake that Michael and Jesus are the same but not divine . You making mistake that MICHAEL and JESUS are not the same. But if you research it you will see they are the same playing different roles . JESUS said I Am but he is the LAMB also HEIs the HIGH PRIEST also HE is the BREAD HE is the GOOD SHEPHERD LORD of LORDS KING of KINGS ALPHA and OMEGA FIRST and LAST BEGINNING and ENDING. If I missed something you guys can add. GOD BLESS.
@@ericschaeffer8288 Nice try, There is no trinity, rapture, triune or alter calls in the Bible! - just more false religion. Organized religion is Babylon the Great Harlot - headed for the lake of fire! Google Babylon the Great Harlot so you can learn about organized religion aka false religion and their ultimate destination. The Whore of Babylon, also known as Babylon the Great, is a symbolic figure mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. She represents evil, corruption, and opposition to God, often associated with idolatry and false religion. John 3:16 do you recall this scripture? God never lies. We are to pray to God, not Jesus - remember The Model Prayer. Pray like this, "Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name." This is what Jesus taught, and the people hate it? Most Christian congregations claim that Jesus is God and will not even acknowledge Jehovah God's name. As a matter of fact, they hate God's name, and they are not going access to Jesus or receive everlasting life. Jesus tells us to specifically pray direct to God the Father. He does not tell us to pray direct to Himself and the Holy Spirit. And he tells us to worship only Jehovah God, not Himself and the Holy Spirit. READ BELOW ↓ Also, these three scriptures below put an end to the trinity nonsense! Matthew 6:9 PRAY “Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Matthew 4:10 WORSHIP Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." Eph 1:5 ONE GOD 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all. It's truly shocking of how many people will try to prove that God is a liar! We are to worship God, not Jesus, according to Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer. Also, most Christian congregations refuse to comply with Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer. The most important scriptures of all and they are not going to be saved!! They failed to follow Jesus' Commandments. READ BELOW ↓ If you hate God's name and his people, it means that you are wicked! Psalms 37:20 For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures; They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end. John 17:3 where Jesus states, “Now this is eternal life; that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” Even Jesus Himself agrees that there is only one true God, which is not Himself, since He refers to Himself as separate and distinct from the “true God.” Jesus is “Everlasting Father”? Isaiah 9:6 KJV Identifies Jesus as “Everlasting Father”. However, this does not mean that Jesus is our Father. Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father, a Person distinct from God the Son. One of the primary rules of interpreting Scripture is that “Scripture interprets Scripture” and “Scripture cannot contradict itself”. So, we immediately can rule out that this verse is somehow saying that Jesus is literally one and the same as “God the Father” which also destroys the Trinity. There is no trinity, rapture, triune or alter calls in the Bible either - just more false religion. The Word is the Bible - that's how God and Jesus speak to us is through the scriptures. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us was Jesus' life would be the NT. Get a Bible that has God's name restored - instead of a false religion Bible that has removed Jehovah's name 6,828 places. The English translation for the word JHWH is Jehovah. 2 Peter 2:1-2 1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. All English Bibles say God's name is Jehovah - (not Jesus) so Jehovah is the correct English translation for God's name! READ BELOW ↓ The Chinese word for God is Shangdi The English word for God is Jehovah The Old Irish word for God is día The Italian word for God is Dio The Japanese word for God is kami The Korean word for God is ha-na-nim The Polish word for God is Bóg The Portuguese word for God is deus The Russian word for God is Бог The Spanish word for God is Dios The Scottish word for God is DOST We are to sanctify Jehovah God's name - not Jesus name - (hallowed be thy name) not hate his name and refuse to even acknowledge his name. We are to love your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. Instead, you hate his name! Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalms 37:20 For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures. They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end. 2 Timothy 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But for the wicked who have rejected Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer and hate God's name and his people and who only worship the son, sports and holidays, their options are wide open. READ BELOW ↓ The wicked are annihilated-snuffed out of conscious existence forever. Biblically, however, hell is a real place of conscious, eternal suffering (Matt. 5:22; 25:41, 46; Jude 1:7; Rev. 14:11; 20:10, 14). I believe in what the Bible says. How about you? Since the wicked chose to be an enemy of God, they will defiantly be going to Hades or option A, B, C, D, E, F, etc. I have created a list of options that may help them decide before judgement time arrives, so they should plan in advance due to limited space. Maybe they will grant their request, but most likely they won't. But no sense in not trying! Below is a list of options for the wicked. A - Abyss B - Aionios C - Eternal Damnation D - Eternal Punishment E - Fiery Lake of Burning Sulfur F - Fire and Brimstone G - Gehenna H - Grave I - Hades J - Hell K - Inferno L - Limbo M - Lower World N - Pandemonium O - Pit P - Pyr Q - Shoel R - Tararus Their options are wide open, so they should choose carefully. Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Have a nice day!
3:07 I love that the JW quoted 2 Thess 1:7 because this is actually an OT quote from Isaiah 66:15-16 and Isaiah 2:10,19 about Jehovah being applied to Jesus in the NT. Compare: 2 Thess 1:7-10 - Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire ... glory of his might Isaiah 66:15-16 - Jehovah will come in fire with his angels Isaiah 2:10,19- Enter into the rock and hide in the dustfrom before the terror of the Lord (Jehovah), and from the splendor of his majesty. (In Greek LXX "splendor of his majesty" are the same words as "glory of his might" in 2 Thess 1:9) It's actually an _exact_ quote but even some Bible translations miss the reference to Isaiah 2:10, 19 because of the difference between Greek/Hebrew. The Greek translation rendered "glory of his might" (in Hebrew OT) as "splendor of his majesty" (in Greek OT and NT). Applying that OT quote about Jehovah to Jesus in 2 Thess 1:7-9.
8:53 Arch angel means the head of the angels . Remember the angels belong to MICHAEL and no one else . We read MICHAEL and HIS angels fought with the Devil. This is all the angels are fighting against the devil and his angels war in heaven one group belongs to MICHAEL the other belong to satan.GOD BLESS.
Any sensible person who reads DANIEL 12 verse 1 and 2 and compare it to John 5 verse 28 and 29 must conclude that both accounts are speaking of the same event and the same person MICHAEL IS JESUS. IF MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS, HOW DID HE GET THE BOOK? REVELATIONS 5 verse 1 to 5 says NO ONE IN HEAVEN OR ON THE EARTH WAS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK OR EVEN LOOK ON IT BUT JESUS. SO HOW did MICHAEL get the book?
1 Thessalonians 4:16 [16]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel. Jude 1:9 [9]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Personally I am not religious but those scriptures clearly indicate that Michael is indeed Jesus.
In my language we don't call Him Jesus. We will say tranlated "the Lord Jesus the Christ " Because He is not simply the greatest man that ever lived, but He is also God Almighty one with the Father.
Brilliant, thank you so much. I can't tell you the number of times I have debated this topic with all the JW's that come knocking on my door. You have supplied more passages of scripture I can use next time I see them, because these folk don't give up. the JW's will not accept Jesus as God incarnate. Their only real defence is this .... "If Jesus is God, then who was he praying to, why does he cry out on the tree or stake (because they don't believe he was nailed to a cross) "My God my God why has thou forsaken me", and furthermore, who sent him as he states he was sent". I have to admit I don't know how to answer them on that one, it's difficult unless you are extremely well versed in scripture. I have given them only a couple of passages from the Bible which call both Jehovah God and Jesus the Alpha and omega the first and the last. The one big one I quote is in the gospel of John. "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. It goes on to state ...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us. They pull that one to shreds by emphasising the word "With" . They told me, well if the word was "with" God how could he be God himself. Honestly, they drive me insane, and Im not well versed in God's word to silence them or at least have them go away and think about what I said. Anyway, I'm sorry for being so lengthy but you have given in this video scripture quotes I was not aware of, and that I can now use. I have written them down. These long talks start when they try to convince me Jesus isn't God and that he is the archangel, Michael. Thanks again, this is very much appreciated.
@@ericschaeffer8288 Thank you so very very much. I have just watched the video link you provided for me. Wonderful powerful Bible based responses, have been exactly what I have been looking for. Grateful for answered prayer. God bless your Sir. I have just subscribed to you your marvellous channel.
20+ years since I left jw's, I have finally come to know Jesus for what he is. It's because of people like you that I have awaken to truth and logic. Thank you and God bless
Great news, I have been getting JWs out of that organisation for over 39 years, would you mind advising me what was it that changed your mind. Obviously just something brief, but it helps me try to understand the mindset of a JW, Mormon etc. I was brought up in the Baptist church and no matter how much study, I don't understand the thinking of cult members. I understand better than a majority of Christians, but your input would be very much appreciated.
Super! Thank you so much for this encouragement!
Manasas 79 that’s awesome that you left this organization, and that you have come to know that Christ Jesus is Jehovah God. That’s excellent I’m very proud of you and I can just say this welcome to the family of Christ, you will never be shunned you will never be sent out nobody will ever make fun of you nobody will ever say anything bad to you if you ever have any questions please ask. If you have a stunt question about the Bible please ask. Let me put it this way Jehovah’s Witnesses have always thought themselves as acting like they know everything, they try to “Matthew 24 verse 24 and 26 and verse 27 saying yes the governing body is allowed to be in control because Jesus told him to be when Jesus never said anything as such. Nor did Jesus ever tell them to make up false states about his coming return actually Jesus says completely the opposite. So I’m very proud of you that’s excellent that you’ve done this God bless you man I don’t mean to repeat myself but very proud of you dude welcome to the family of Christ.
@@RowanTasmanian Rohan what a very good question that you gave me and that was very excellent, here’s what I do typically Eric and I are friends on Facebook and I’ve watched several of his videos and I agree with them. Fellow brother in Christ and everything we’re trying to bring logic out to people and show them who Jesus is. Here’s how I typically talk to a Jehovah’s Witness as a Christian apologist.
I asked them about their literature, they say oh yeah and they give me a description that yes Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel he’s not Jehovah God he’s mighty etc. but Jehovah God is called all mighty and things like that. And I go OK OK, and then I use their own doctrine against them, because from what their doctor and teaches in the new translation it teaches completely the opposite of what they teach in their organization and they don’t realize this. But whenever they try to hop to different topics I had a JW talk to me the other Day on the phone, and he tried to jump to different topics I said hold on hold on listen, I said is Jehovah God ever called mighty he said no I said he isn’t, are you sure? He goes yes and I said OK well according to your New World translation he is, he goes no he’s not I said if you have your New World translation on you jump over to Jeremiah chapter 32 verse 18 then after that go over to Deuteronomy chapter 10 verse 17, and then I said after that go over to Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 I said then go over to Isaiah chapter 20 verse 20. And ask him OK according to your new world translation Jehovah God by name is called mighty, they will tell you that that’s not true and you just tell them well your new world translation says otherwise. And then you can take them to the passages where it says that. So when I showed these Jehovah’s Witness guys that called me on the phone they stopped for like 10 seconds in Reddit. They read the passage, then he started going over to Isaiah 53 I said hold on stay on one topic stay right there I said you just told me that Jehovah God is only called Almighty and they’re like well because he is I said no no no no yes I said no I said Jehovah God is also called mighty referring both to the father and the son, I said now we can go over to revelation if you want to where Jesus claims to be the alpha and the omega the first and the last the beginning and the end or like he’s talking about from the dead I’m like no he did not I said he is the first and last from the dead I said however he’s talking about that he is God that he is Jehovah direct where do you say this at where does he say this, I said glad you asked. I said go over to Revelation chapter 1 verse seven and eight who was the one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven they will see Jehovah God am I OK let’s do it again who is the one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven, they’ll be like Jehovah God I’m like let’s try again who is the one that’s coming on the clouds of heaven when he said to the Pharisees that you will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven and sitting at the right hand of the mighty one Who said that they will not answer it, and when you tell them Jesus said that and put it to revelation chapter 1 verse seven verse eight they will tell you you can’t do that I will tell them yes I can and I also referred to psalm chapter 95 or seven and I said now go over to John chapter 10 verse 11 I said who does Jesus claim to be they say you can’t take a passage and automatically put it into the Old Testament like that they said you can’t do that. Why can I not do that, they said because now you’re giving false testimony I said no I’m not I said because Christ Jesus is the one that was quoting yet I said he was the one that was quoting psalm chapter 95 verse seven and taking all the attributes of God upon himself and I said the Pharisees knew this about us they knew what Jesus was saying and they didn’t agree with it, I said therefore when he took on the attributes of God upon himself he claimed to be Jehovah God. I said who pours at the Holy Spirit I asked this guy, he said well Jehovah God does I said Jesus does the same thing that Jehovah does I said I said to him hold on Michael and I told him, I said Michael listen to me you just told me that Jesus Christ is also created right that is Michael the Archangel he said yes I said OK then Jehovah God according to John chapter 17 verse three in your New World translation Jehovah God‘s gonna destroy him he said no I said according to your New World translation Jesus would be a false God who Jehovah God is going to destroy. He said no I said why because Jesus is the son of God I said there you go I said you just admitted to me that Jesus Christ is Jehovah God, he goes I never said that I said you just told me that Jesus is the son of God right, he goes yeah you just win against the watchtower You just win against him I said now repent and give your life to Christ. He goes I never called Jesus Jehovah is it you just said that he was the son of God, there I guess the son I said the son of God that means he is God in human form you just admitted it. He’s like give me a break man, I should Michael you just told me that Jesus is the son of God, he goes yes I did it said therefore you just went against the watchtower and said that he is Jehovah you just said it.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 G'day Jeremiah, you certainly got that JW tied up into knots. It is certainly an airtight argument. As you stated, using logic, the JW has nowhere to go. Thanks for the Chat.
With the voice of an archangel. In the roman times of the bible they did not have tv, social media , photos or newsprint. Thus when a dignitary traveled through out the empire they traveled with an escort which included trumpeters to blow the trumpets to attract attention so the locals could gather at the village square. Then one of the company with a very loud voice would announce who the dignitary was and his purpose for being there.
My father has been stolen from me by this manipulative organization!!!! It’s taken years, but I think I’m finally getting through to him🙏🙏
The people are good, the organization is evil!!!! I’d love to talk to you, but I’m just a nobody crane operator from Pittsburgh. This cult needs called out!! I have done my homework and I could show you lots more wrong with the watchtower!!!!
I’m glad you made some headway with your dad. Sure thing! Feel free to find me on FB whenever you want to chat!
They're so horrible aren't they.....lmao.....they are kind respectful people that go door to door speaking on biblical subjects....they abstain from global movements that are pathetic including indoctrination of lgbtq......such bad people....😅😅😅
Jesus is son of God alnighty and also the God almghty , Jesus is his own father....JWs better accept that true of they will be torture in hell
It's not just them though! All religion. Baptist, methodist, catholic, protestant, they ALL tie Jesus to jehovah and put their god above Jesus!
@@theurbanthirdhomestead while the bible teach Jehovah is the most high (Psalm 83:18) and Jesus is son of the most high (Luke 1:28-32), JEsus foretold will reject the majority of the so call christians (Matthew 7:21-23)
Great job, this I will use! :)
The first I heard of this was yesterday, and I grew up in this religion. Finding this video today is wild.
I'm glad you're hearing the Real Truth, Take Care!
I got out in 2002 I was in it for 25 years and even way back then in the 70s 80s and 90s we always knew that they said Jesus was Michael and Michael was Jesus but since I got out I know a whole lot better about who is who
@@jerryjohanan1940 mind-blowing
@@jerryjohanan1940 do you know allso that. Jessus is allso our brother. If you dont know that you dont kmow many other attributes of jessus and of his father.do you.
All religions are men-made
Thank you so much this as cleared up everything for me!
Royality and Authority is always hss someone announce them upon their entrance or appearance
The Archangel's voice is annoucing Jesus return
Exactly! You hit the nail on the head. That has always been my thoughts on what this scripture is describing here. We all know royalty had used this throughout history. 👍 even as a born in, and early in my life I always saw this scripture that way. I’m sorry, but it’s clear they saw it too, but had their own agenda to keep to.
@ScottJackson. jesus said he was
I AM
@ScottJackson.Does 2 Timothy 2 : 13 say he is a separate spirit being or GOD manifested in the flesh?
@@charleshanna2089 it’s a retinue of angels who announce his return
JW's didn't invent this teaching. The 1560 Geniva bible notes always identify Michael the Archangel as being Jesus. Also, Matthew Henery calls Michael Jesus Christ in his complete commentary on Daniel 10. It must have been a common teaching in early Christian doctrine. Look it up.
It never ceases to amaze me how folks will blatantly ignore 20+ passages that all say Jesus is God in favor of a “Jesus is Michael” teaching that doesn’t even exist in Scripture… hence the power of indoctrination
@@ericschaeffer8288 yeshua is both Michael and yahweh. Yahweh is not the God the father. El is God the father. Yahweh is God the son. Michael is the protector of Israel just as yahweh is protector of Israel. Michael is not a created being. Michael mean who is like el. No one is like el but yahweh. He call an angel because he a message. El, yahweh and the holy spirit are the Elohim. People read the Bible in Hebrew and Greek. That why jehovah witnesses and mainstream Christianity get it wrong.
@@ericschaeffer8288 there are 40 verses that shows Michael been the firstson of the almighty, the one the Almighty sent to earth and that he is also a divine being (god) but not the almighty.
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It never ceases to amaze me how folks will blatantly ignore 40+ passages showing Jesus been the name given to the first heavenly Angel of almighty
@@ericschaeffer8288 Jesus is NOT THE NAME OF GOD !!! Many Israelites bear in Bible the name Jesus. Did they steal God's holy name??? THIS IS WHAT SUPER-DEEP THINKING IS ALL ABOUT!
The SDA also believe that Michael, the archangel is another name for Jesus.
This is why I left, and also because of the writings of Ellen White
thanks
@@juancastro2798 Michael is not a created being. His name "Michael" means "He who is like God". For any angel to take such a name would be blaspheme.
His title "Arch" angel simply means "Head"/"Chief" over all the angels. I Thess 4:16 shows Jesus has the voice of the Archangel. Jude 9 shows Michael has the power to raise the dead. Created angels cannot do this on their own. There are other texts in the bible that show Jesus and Michael are one and the same.
A zookeeper is not one of the animals he has charge over. Bad example but there you go.
Misunderstanding who Jesus really is (or only understanding in part), how do you know you worship the right Jesus? Then again, maybe just understanding in part is all you need? Rejecting any other biblical knowledge about Him is OK?
Well, that's for God to decide actually....
@@davidstarr6604 what denomination do you attend ? In Jude 9 he’s not raising the dead. at the end of the verse he says “the lord rebuke thee” not I rebuke thee.
@@juancastro2798 What other reason could it be to argue over Moses' body in Jude 9? We know Moses was alive and well on the Mt. of Transfiguration NOT still buried in his grave.
And Jesus spoke of Himself in the 3rd person many times. Just because Michael does the same is not proof they are not one and the same person. Quite the contrary actually considering the same idiosyncrasy.
Michael "the Archangel" is head/chief over all the angels. That's what His title means. In Daniel 10:13 a better/literal translation of "one of the chief princes" from the original Hebrew is "Head (or chief) of the first ones (first created beings)". He is the Prince in Dan 10:21 who is (in 12:1) "the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people.
He is the same being in Rev 12:7 (Michael, one who commands all the angels of heaven) as in Joshua 5:13-15 (One who commands all the "host" of heaven) and Joshua worshiped Him without being told not to as John was in Rev 19:10 and 22:8-9 concerning worshiping angels (or any created being).
There's more biblical evidence which evidently you know nothing about. But Adventists (who study the scriptures for themselves) would already know this.
Perhaps you were once Adventist by name (perhaps not) but you were NEVER REALLY SDA. The sad part is you don't know the scriptures BETTER than your chosen religious leader (and you refuse to do Acts 17:11) so cannot tell if you are being taught the truth or not.
I don't believe in EVERYTHING the SDA church teaches. And I will get on 'em whenever they teach something not biblical. But, for the most part, their teachings are more accurate (more in accord with the bible) than any other so-called Christian denomination whose teachings I have studied.
So, what denomination are you now?
There is one mediator between God and man, the MAN Jesus.
@Witchfinder48 No, after Jesus resurrected, he had a body that could not decay.1 Corinthians 15:35-58
Wait, i just laughed on the argument of the Archangel's voice, But he also came the sound of the trumpet, is now Jesus also a #TRUMPET according to JWs????
Are you a man? what kind of voice you have? a man s voice or a female one? if you are a man would you be offended if someone says your voice is different of what you really are? if you have a voice of a man and hammer in your hand...what are you a man or a hammer?
Archangel simply means over or in charge of the angels. Jesus is over all the angels
wonderful explanation... false preachers are everywhere to say JESUS and michael are the same person..they are distorting GODS WORD
Amen!
Jesus and Michael are the same , that is easy to prove just using the book of Revelation where Jesus is presented as a powerful Angel
@@moisesbeyond😂lies no Bible verse teaches that
@@amc3463 Oh yes it says in Daniel 12:1-2 that during the end time Michael the great heavenl prince who is by the way the frist son of God in heaven will bring Armagedon and after that God s servant are going to be save and people who have died will be resurrect
Angel can't create. Never has an angel created anything. Period. Jesus created. They can't be the same. End of story.
Jesus is not an angel. There is also no biblical evidence that Michael is an angel either. He is the "Arch" angel (head or chief over all the angels). The name itself "Michael" means "He who is like God". For any angel to take such a name would be blaspheme.
Never has an angel created anything...really? how can you prove that?
@@moisesbeyond Lack of any biblical evidence that any angel has ever created anything.
And the fact that every time God (our Creator) wishes to stress the fact that He is in fact God compared to the pagan gods of the other nations is to proclaim He is the One who created all things. Isa 44:24 and 43:7-13 might interest you. God reserves His creative ability to Himself only, no one else.
@@davidstarr6604 satan an angel created a system like the one whe live, by the way are you aware that you believe Jesus is his own father?
@@moisesbeyond Even animals can make babies. Does that make them creators of ALL things? No one but the Creator God can make something out of nothing. Even the carpenter needs wood to work with. He is creator of the table but did not make the tree to grow from nothing.
Three scientists announce to God, "We don't need you any more. We have discovered the secrets to life and can make any type of life we wish." God says to them, "OK, I accept your challenge. Show me." One of the scientists picks up some dirt and holds it out for a moment. "Nope," says God, "You have to get your own dirt.".....
I believe what the bible says. "There are three that bear record in heaven." Three separate beings that work as one, in one accord, with one mind. I don't like the word "Trinity" because of it's Catholic connotations but the concept is biblically sound. "Godhead" would be a better term.
The "Elohim" in the creation story is a plural form of the word "Eloha" meaning of at least 3 celestial beings. Those 3 even discuss among themselves what to make before actually making it.
Are you married? Ever call your spouse your "better half"? Half of what? Gen 2:24 shows 2 separate people but one being (creation) - "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have existed since eternity in the past and will always exist eternity future.
When the Apostle Paul was converted on the way to Damascus, Jesus said to him, "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting." (Acts 9:1-7). Before the death of Stephen he saw Jesus in Heaven (Acts 7:55-56). Micheal is NOT mentioned in either of these experiences.
In Jude 1:9, we hear that Michael didn't dare condemn Satan. Unlike Jesus, John 8:44.
Yes! That would have made a nice addition to this video
Michael cast out Satan
@@Mr.DC3.1914 picking and choosing, tell me DC do you believe your religion has a pedophile problem? Or is it apostate lies?
I just learned the SDA also believes Michael the Archangel was Jesus.
The Trinity is simple ...Jesus is the almighty.....and also Son of the almighty basically Jesus is his own father...see is very simple
@@moisesbeyondyea he is but that didn’t mean he had to be in the specific form of God as he’s not when he died and got resurrected they seen him as a human and he went to heaven with God but before he even came to earth his name was Michael
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Daniel 12:1-3
1.And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2.And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.3.And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
( There is no other great prince than Jesus and this verses talking about Jesus deliverance of his people - Second Coming )
1Thessalonians 4:16-18
16.For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17.Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18.Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
( With the voice of the archangel ) it's indicated that Jesus is Michael the archangel.
Jude 1:9
9.Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Michael the archangel said
" The Lord rebuke thee ". He(Jesus) referred to his Father.
Moses was raise from death by Michael the archangel (Jesus). Bible teach that Moses is death and rose when Jesus in human flesh on this earth talking in Mt.olive with moses and Elijah in transfiguration.
Revelation 12:7-9
7.And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8.And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9.And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
( Before earth is form and before adam n eve form and fall into sin ). Michael the archangel is Jesus.
@@moisesbeyondwe’re dos it say Jesus is almighty as the scriptures that he is beggoton God was never begotten?
@@michaelhaigh9182 SDA does not believe the same thing as JWs. JWs believe that Jesus and Michael are one and the same created being. SDA teaches that Jesus Christ is Lord and he is God. Michael is a representation of Jesus Christ.
Very soon Jesus and "others"will be leading the angelic forces at Armageddon removing all who do not know God His father Jehovah and do not have faith in the son
So if Jesus has such a high position with power will be King and all that. Why shouldn't he be MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL think about that. Unless you're out to prove JW wrong.
Haha! JW’s on here typing a comment so they can claim an hour of field service for the month in order to be considered a publisher. Back in the old days you could count on getting a letter in the mail at the end of the month from an aquaintance that was an aux pioneer, or a visit from elders that hadn’t been out in service that month. Now with the internet people can service a JW’s status in the congregation without that person putting on a suit. Super convienent low effort status crutch.
Get a life!
Nothing but loser comments on these channels!!
The Bible does not explicitly state that "Michael is not Jesus." However, there are certain verses that differentiate between Michael and Jesus, suggesting that they are distinct beings.
One such verse is found in Jude 1:9, which says, "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!'" This verse portrays Michael as an archangel, distinct from the Lord (Jesus).
Another verse that highlights the distinction between Michael and Jesus is Hebrews 1:5, which says, "For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? Or again, 'I will be his Father, and he will be my Son'?" This verse emphasizes that Jesus is the Son of God, while angels, including Michael, are not.
These verses, among others, suggest that Michael and Jesus are distinct beings in the Bible.
@@ReasonsForOurFaithMinistries I beg to differ. Note that both the Father and the Son address each other as Lord. As in Psalm 110:1.
Wow - why did @David Agnew delete his comments?
Was it because the Lord destroyed his theology with the use of Watchtowers own theology....?
Yep! He was actually “Bob” from this video… this is not the first time he deleted his comments. I believe he is realizing a few things
Jude makes it clear that Jesus is not Michael the archangel.
Michael is an archangel, Jesus is Kurios.
Hebrews destroys all that Jesus being Michael talk 😂
It's a real simple argument. Just ask them if the angels in heaven have the power given by God Almighty himself to forgive sins?
Can an angel forgive our sins? The answer of this is exactly what you think it is, No!!!
I have a very particular insight to Jehovah's Witnesses because right after I married my wife four years ago she thought that it would be better if she goes back to the cult and her false religion where she was shunned at because she left in her teens. As I've tried to witness for her for Christ I am just now breaking through the ice where I can talk to her without yelling and screaming at each other.
I have to remember God loves them, too. And even though I'm way off of being yoked evenly, as scripture says we should do, I have accepted this role of disproportional beliefs because I have chosen it. I pray for my wife and her family. She has been brought up in this organization since birth. I have experience in dealing with Jehovah Witnesses, and I hear the meetings go on when my wife can't go to the Kingdom Hall because of covid.
Let me be clear, Jehovah's Witnesses, if you're reading this. You do not have Bible studies. They get together, and read the words of their God, the God of this world, the Watchtower. You really know a Jehovah's Witnesses for a long time they don't get their Bibles out and study and read scripture together. All of their education comes from the governing body that makes up this false religion. They can not accept what Jesus did for us. They have this twisted perverted idea that they're going to be in God's favor and that they are God's chosen people off how many doors they knock and try to convert people to Jehovah's Witnesses.
They say that nobody can learn the Bible on their own because it's too hard. This is because they do not believe the Holy Spirit and Jesus are one, but the father is not the son the son is not the father the holy spirit is not the father and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus but three people in one. They say that Grace and Faith is not enough because it can't be that easy. This is because the Watchtower has systematically diluted the role of Jesus and his divinity years and years of mine control, and behavior control. You cannot boil a frog if you turn the heat all the way up, he will jump out of the pot but if you slowly turn up the heat and long increments, the Frog will stay in the water until it gets boiled alive.
Jehovah's Witnesses are obsessed with the end of the world, but now I can see in Revelation where Jesus says they'll be a great Falling Away. I understand now what he said because if the Antichrist came tomorrow and all the Christians getting rounded up m'face death or either that or change our faith. I am convinced that Jehovah's Witnesses in all the other false religions in the world wouldn't even know what is happening because they never understood what Jesus meant by Christians in the first place Christians in the first place. And if you would hear some of their talk they would be fine because we believe Jesus is God
Can an angel forgive our sins? Yes according to Exodus 23:20
God bless you and thank you for all you do for the Cause of Christ!!!! JWs need to hear and read the TRUTH… keep praying for them and shining a light on Watchtower lies!!! God desires no man perish!!
Thank you for the encouragement Nancy
Jesus is Michael and Jehovah's Witnesses are the true worshipers
Only lie is your fake miracle water and fake satanic exorcists
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Hebrews 1
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@archangeljesus4369 AJ, I hope this helps: Just because Jesus will come “with the voice of the archangel” does not ergo MAKE HIM the archangel as you would like to believe. As a child I recall mom coming to the dining table with our dinner “with the voice of” my dad who would announce Children come to the table to eat! That did not therefore make my mom dad or my dad mom. Scripture proves Scripture. Many places in Scripture state clearly that Jesus is unique as God’s Only Begotten Son, far higher than the angels whom - ALL of them - BOW DOWN TO WORSHIP JESUS. How do you reconcile the many places in Scripture that debunk your notion, including the places where Michael is called “one of the chief princes” like Daniel 10:13? Jesus was not “one of” ANYTHING, but HE IS THE CHIEF PRIEST ONLY BEGOTTEN SON and will not be “lumped in with anyone or anything” for HE is GOD incarnate. GOD will not be mocked- Come to JESUS before it’s too late!! God desires not that you perish!
To compare the organization in the modern era to the 1800s Is absurd.
The Bible students of that era came right out of Protestantism.
Of COURSE Their scriptural understanding Would mirror the churches that they came from.
From the way you're talking, you sound like you think they appeared on the world scene with thier doctrine fully formed.
Yes - it's the parallels that have them believing they are the same person.
You act like thiers only one when thier is closer to a dozen.
Obviously just one parallel isn't indicative of anything. So I'm not sure why you think bringing up the military commander thing, is a smart rebuttal 🙄
Your videos give a lot of information within a small time frame. My boyfriend is currently in the congregation, being born in it actually. He’s so split with being a whiteness and wanting to just go out and live his life to the fullest. (Since it’s not recommended to date outside the congregation) I know I can’t convince him within a day, it takes time and effort and I’m willing to challenge him on his religion. I just want to say thank you.
Great encouragement Breanna… I have always seen it like choppy down a big tree with a hatchet. It takes many strokes over a long period of time… but it will eventually fall:)
@@Mr.DC3.1914 great copy and paste. Now DC 1 debate properly. Your off topic copy and paste is nonsense. Since your a JW, are you not living in the last of the last of undoubtedly the final part of the last day, a statement from your mate Lett.
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1 Thessalonians 4:16 is a powerful proof for Christ as Archangel Michael. The Appendix in the book 'the Angel of the Lord' (by Trinitarians) even recognized it as such.
@@eew8060 angels worshipped jesus. Angels cannot worship arch angels. Jesus is not Michael ok.
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Angels will worship whoever God directs them to worship, ok? Archangel Michael and Christ are the same
Sadly they believe their translation is the best of all even though it is Garbage and he didn't use his translation once,but this guys using 5 different translations out of context this is sad
Google, Yahoo, and other search engines needs to charge their perspective about what's the most accurate Bible! The say that their "bible" is the most accurate but they change, remove, and "translate" it very inaccurate just to fit their beliefs
First time I came to your site, I'm subscribing!
Nice to meet you:)
Quickly unsubscribe when you learn that he's not actually a Christian. He weaponizes the Bible to feel less guilt over his own bigotry and prejudices. He's amazingly misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, and racist.
@@ericschaeffer8288 I watched your video twice & took notes. I'm looking forward to watching more, Take Care!
Sometimes, I wonder if the JW's are worshipping, not God or His Son, but their Governing Body.
Thank you for your video, so wisely explained with scriptures to support the Real Truth!
The problem is their "new light" does not add to the former light or knowledge, it extinguishes or replaces that knowledge or belief.
Great, you are so correct. After listening and arguing with my JW friend, I have to listen to your videos see how wrong they are. They all live in their own world. I am a Presbyterian, and they had no idea who John Calvin or John Know were. Just goes to show. Keep up the good work.
JOHN knocks. A protestant preacher , or to the Catholics a Heretic.
The Trinity is simple ...Jesus is the almighty.....and also Son of the almighty basically Jesus is his own father...see is very simple
Yes, you are correct. I just wish that 2 of my JW friends would believe what you said. But they never will. @@moisesbeyond
Summary of early church figures who are believed to have associated Jesus with Michael, or at least with a divine angelic role:
1. **Justin Martyr (100-165 AD)**: Justin Martyr, an early Christian apologist, often referred to Jesus as the “Angel of the Lord.” In his writings, he mentions Christ as the “Angel” who appeared in Old Testament events, such as to Moses in the burning bush. Although he doesn’t directly identify Jesus as Michael, Justin’s concept of Jesus as the “Angel” or “Messenger of God” appears notably in his work *Dialogue with Trypho*.
2. **Hippolytus of Rome (170-235 AD)**: Hippolytus, a Christian theologian in Rome, suggested that Jesus was the figure conveying God’s message to the prophets and could be viewed as the angelic leader of heaven’s armies. While he doesn’t explicitly call Jesus Michael, in his work *On Christ and Antichrist*, he presents Jesus as the heavenly leader.
3. **Cyril of Alexandria (376-444 AD)**: Cyril connected Jesus with Michael as the leader of heavenly armies, interpreting Michael as an expression of Jesus’ power in overcoming dark forces. Cyril sees the role of Jesus aligned with the cosmic battle described in Revelation 12.
4. **Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274)**: Although not from the early church period, Thomas Aquinas commented on Michael in his *Summa Theologica*, stating that Michael acts as the church’s defender and archangel directly connected to Christ. Aquinas didn’t claim Jesus is Michael, but he portrayed Michael as a divine protector, a role often associated with Christ in Scripture.
5. **Origen of Alexandria (185-253 AD)**: Origen expanded on the hierarchy of angels and referred to Jesus as the “Great Angel of God.” While he didn’t directly say Jesus is Michael, he supported the view that Jesus has a unique heavenly role similar to Michael’s.
Though these early writings don’t directly name Jesus as Michael, the idea that Jesus held a special angelic role or leadership position in heaven was present in early Christian thought.
None of these men made any reference that they believe Jesus and Michael are the same being. I have no problem with anything you quoted
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Yes they do!
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Good video. Here are some of my notes on 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
-We know Jesus will infact be accompanied by angels when he returns Matt 24:31
-Battle Cries can come from the King's army 1 Samuel 17:20
-Joel 2:1 speaks of the blowing of a horn and a battle cry
-"the" in Jude does not always mean ONLY (See 2 Tim 4:14, Luke 6:15, Matt 26:6 and Acts 10:32)
-Hebrews 1:5, 1:13 & 2:5 make it clear that Jesus is not an Angel.
-Zephaniah 1:14-16 is another example of someone OTHER than God Crying out on his day also accompanied by a Horn.
Look at Hebrews 1:5 and then look at Job 1:6.
Great video. I’ve also had an issue surrounding Jesus BEING God himself… Why would Jesus pray to himself throughout the bible? Why would his call out “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me” if Jesus IS God? You explain things so well in your videos, so hopefully you can help me out with this one :)
Hi! Maybe I can offer some clarity in those questions.
1. Did Jesus pray to Himself? No. Jesus prayed to His Father. You might be thinking, "So, God prayed to Himself then?" Not really. That's because, while both Jesus and His Father are the one God, they are still different, distinct persons. In the case of John 17, for instance, the person of the Son is praying, while the person of the Father is receiving prayer. So, while both are God, God is not praying to Himself, because the person offering prayer is not the person receiving it. If this sounds confusing, it might be because you've been taught to think of the Trinity as a different doctrine, named Modalism. JW's especially like to use this tactic, since Modalism is easier to refute, precisely thanks to John 17. However, there are key differences between the two doctrines that I had to consider as someone who grew up as a JW myself. I would suggest looking into that difference for more details, but this is the best summary I can give: the persons at both ends of the prayer are both God, but that doesn't mean they are the same person. This is in agreement with the Trinity, which teaches that God is one being existing in three distinct persons. On the other hand, Modalism teaches God is one person, capable of expressing Himself in three modes. John 17 makes this impossible, or else the Son would truly be praying to Himself.
2. Why did Jesus say "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Well, did God forsake Jesus? Obviously not, because Jesus knew he would have to die, and because He was raised at the third day (and also, because Jesus Himself is God). So why did He say this? Jesus was actually invoking a well known Jewish custom, where one would recite the opening verse of a Psalm to bring that Psalm to the mind of the listener. In this case, Jesus was quoting from Psalm 22:1. If you read this Psalm, you will realize why Jesus quoted it right before he died - the Psalm pretty much predicted some key elements of Jesus' crucifixion. Namely, verses 16 to 18 are pretty impressive.
Hope that clarifies those doubts. Keep searching, the truth is there for you to find it!
@@thelogicalduck8802 great information here!
@@thelogicalduck8802 where in the Bible does it teach explicit that there are "person of" one God. That from a false doctrine made by man interpret into the Bible.
And yet your brain still accepts this ridiculous notion.
@The Logical Duck those are really great points. I never thought about him quoting the psalm.
I came across another reason this morning why we know Jesus is actually Michael the Archangel....
**You can see Jesus is the same as Michael the Archangel by comparing Genesis with Revelation...***
Genesis shows God cryptically explaining how he would undo the situation of rebellion by Satan, Adam and Eve (a purpose/plan). *He talks of a seed/offspring produced by a woman that would put an end to the serpent...*
Genesis 3:14,15 New Living Translation
*14The LORD God said to the serpent,*
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all the cattle, And more than any animal of the field; On your belly you shall go,
And dust you shall eat All the days of your life.
*15“And I will put enmity (open hostility) Between you and the woman, And between your seed (offspring) and her [e]Seed; He shall [fatally] bruise your head, And you shall [only] bruise His heel.”*
*The Apostle Paul shows this seed/offspring is Jesus.*
Galatians 3:16 Amplified Bible
16Now the promises [in the covenants] were decreed to Abraham and to his seed. God does not say, “And to seeds (descendants, heirs),” as if [referring] to many [persons], but as to one, *“And to your Seed,” who is [none other than] Christ.*
*Revelation shows the woman of Genesis is heavenly and she produces the Messiah/chosen Ruler. That chosen ruler Michael then fights the serpent who is identified as Satan and throws him out of heaven to the earth *
Revelation 12:1,2,7-10 Amplified Bible
*The Woman, Israel*
1And a great sign [warning of an ominous and frightening future event] appeared *in heaven: a [a]woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was with child (the Messiah) and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.*
*The Angel, Michael*
7And war broke out in heaven, *Michael [the archangel] and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought,* 8but they were not strong enough and did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. *9And the great dragon was thrown down, the age-old serpent who is called the [d]devil and Satan, he who continually deceives and seduces the entire inhabited world; he was thrown down to the earth,* and his angels were thrown down with him.
*10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom (dominion, reign) of our God, and the authority of His Christ have come;* for the [e]accuser of our [believing] brothers and sisters has been thrown down [at last], he who accuses them and keeps bringing charges [of sinful behavior] against them before our God day and night.
Then Satan is imprisoned by an angel, which would logically be Michael again. After Satan is allowed out on earth to test perfect mankind one final time, he is then destroyed.
Revelation 20:1-3 Amplified Bible
Satan Bound
*1[a]And then I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding the key of the abyss (the bottomless pit) and a great chain was in his hand. 2And he overpowered and laid hold of the dragon, that old serpent [of primeval times], who is the devil and Satan, and bound him [securely] for a thousand years (a millennium); 3and the angel hurled him into the abyss,* and closed it and sealed it above him [preventing his escape or rescue], so that he would no longer deceive and seduce the nations, until the thousand years were at an end. After these things he must be liberated for a short time.
This action leaves a lasting message to anyone who would rebel against God (like Satan, Adam and Eve did).
Revelation 21:7-10 New Living Translation
*The Defeat of Satan
7When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison. 8He will go out to deceive the nations-called Gog and Magog- *in every corner of the earth.* He will gather them together for battle-a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain *of the earth and surrounded God’s people* and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.
*10Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.*
*So Michael is clearly the one spoken of in Genesis who destroys the Devil. God put his plan into motion by sending Michael to the earth. On earth he was called Jesus. So it was foretold that Jesus would be born to bring mankind close to God.*
Matthew 1:22,23 New Living Translation
22All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet:
*23“Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel,j which means ‘God is with us.’”*
Ephesians 1:10 New Living Translation
And this is the plan: *At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ-everything in heaven and on earth.*
Galatians 4:4 New Living Translation
*But when the right time came, God sent his Son, born of a woman,* subject to the law.
Luke 1:31-33 New Living Translation
31You will conceive and give birth to a son, *and you will name him Jesus. 32He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High.* The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. *33And he will reign over Israelf forever; his Kingdom will never end!”*
1 John 3:8 New International Version
The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. *The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work*
Great video! Another tricky thing JW's do is insert the words "Evidently then" or "Reasonably then" as they interpret a scripture and twist it into a strange doctrine as this one. The Reasoning From the Scriptures book is a good reference for this.
Jesus is the only begotten son is not a strange doctrine
@@scottgrey2877 Based on scripture, Jesus is the only begotten son. That is solid doctrine. The strange doctrine JW's try to prove is that Jesus is a mere angel, Micheal. However, Hebrews chapter 1 shows Jesus is not an angel.
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No Hebrews 1 supports an angelic Christology. Only a Trinitarian interpretation of Hebrews causes problems
@@eew8060 Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever." Jesus is never spoken of as an angel, or Michael the archangel.
@@eyeswideopen8570
Hebrews 1:5 "having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."
Not one inheritance episode in scripture where one receives an inheritance over a group he is NOT apart of. In other words this greater name is a firstborns portion. (Deuteronomy 21:17)
@Matthew. 28:19-20 ,Jesus said, "look, i am with you always until theclose of these ages, but until the apostles died, they never seen Jesus literally, so, to the Jw's.were right that Jesus back into an Archangel Michael,
Satan wants to hide the real Jesus of the bible any way he can because he knows people who die WITHOUT the real Jesus will end up in hell. The very hell JW's say doesn't exist, but just like these passages that prove Jesus is God, there are many other passages that talk about hellfire. In fact, Jesus spoke MORE about hell than He did of heaven.
Great video, please continue with more!
Satan already has hidden the real Jesus of The Bible from most of humanity. Including you Ironically.
@@bobbycecere1037 YOU only believe what you have been taught. Lean what God has said about Jesus, He's God the Son and NOT an angel and certainly NOT Michael the Archangel. Let's see what the Father says about the Son.... Hebrews 1:5-6 For to WHICH of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”?
And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”? 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God WORSHIP Him.” There's your bible lesson for the day, something the Watchtower will never tell you because it's the truth.
@GreenEyesAnthony
There is no argument you could come up with that they haven't addressed. However I'm not here to debate that particular topic.
It doesn't really matter to me whether you think Christ is the archangel Michael. That particular doctrine doesn't change scripture in relation to salvation in any meaningful way. It's your belief in the Trinity that changes everything.
Your faith is fundamentally different if you think Yahweh & Yeshua are one.
@@bobbycecere1037 I don't only believe that, i believe The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ALL ONE. Why, because the bible teaches they are all One God, not three. The Trinity is doctrinal teaching from Genesis to revelation. AGAIN, you need to be taught they are not because simple reading of scripture proves it. So your only problem is are you going to listen to man or will you listen to what God says about Himself??
@GreenEyesAnthony
The Bible definitely does not teach the triune Godhead theory.
We know exactly where that doctrine came from. We also know around when it was introduced and by whom. You CAN misinterpret a handful of passages because they can sound like that ridiculous teaching but thier are far more passages that say the exact opposite.
That teaching is wrong. Hebrews 4:14 proves he's not Michael.
G'day Eric I have an idea for your next video. It’s regarding the Faithful and Discreet Slave, I have noticed there have been 6 versions of the Slave ie Charles Taze Russell,144,000, the Remnant, the Watchtower, the Entire Congregation and the GB. That’s SIX F & D Slaves.
If the JWs claim the F and D Slave got this policy or that policy correct, the logical question would be which VERSION OR VARIANT of the Slave are you referring to.
I’ll give an example. The JWs state that Jesus came and selected the F and D Slave in 1919.
When this was stated in the WT magazine and their book Vindication Volume 3 1932 this indicated the F and D Slave was the Remnant and definitely was not the GB which was only made the F& D Slave in 2013.
My main point is how can the GB be credited with the Title of F & D Slave that Jesus chose as His F & D Slave in 1919 when, according to their writings, it was the Remnant who were the F & D Slave in 1919. The GB and their so-called Legitimacy of being the F & D Slave hinges precisely on this point.
The F & D Slave CANNOT be all 6 Variants.
1) Charles Taze Russell
2) 144,000
3) The Remnant
4) The Watchtower Magazine
5) all JWs
6) The Governing Body.
And they’re doubling down on this false teaching.
G'day Eric, great video. Somehow the title of the video is incorrect. It only states "September 12 2022" and not anything explaining what the actual content is. Thanks Mate for a very informative video.
Thank you for catching that Rowan. Not sure what happened there! And thank you for sharing quotes… I put some of them in there:)
" Shifting Sand" or as they call it "New Light!" Another great video. Thank you.
From my knowledge of scripture, Michael and Jesus are the same person
Why would he change his name to JESUS and hide his true identity?
If JESUS is Michael because he came with the voice of an Archangel (could also be Raphael or Gabriel) and he comes with the sound of a trumpet in the same verse, is he a trumpet?
@@Episcopalianacolyte1. He didn’t change his name, as a human the name that was given to him was commanded to be given, and also no where is Gabriel or another angel given the title of archangel
@@Episcopalianacolyte Why would he change his name from Jehovah to JESUS and hide his true identity? why he wasnt called Emmanuel but Jesus?
@@Episcopalianacolyte then why there are more than 40 verses of the bible ..the one you have that support that conclusion?
@@Episcopalianacolyte and what does it says two chapters laters? why you avoid to read 12:1-2?? Oh I know you think if you dont read them it wont be true....but Daniel 12:1-2 was written 2500 years ago and also Revelation in many places shoe Jesus been the most powerful Angel, but you are not allowed to read Revelation.
I often use Dan 10:1-13 in relation to Rev 1: 14-16 to disprove that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. That is, how could Jesus be Michael if he is the one speaking of Michael? I have yet to see a person who believes Jesus is Michael come back from that argument.
Excelente video. Active los subtítulos en español. Magistral. Mejor no puede ser explicado. Muchas Gracias
Matthew 16:13-16 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
Then asked, who do you say I am? Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
WHO IS THE STAR IN NUMBERS 24:17? That is Jesus. It is the same Hebrew word used in Job 38:7 for the morning stars. So as Jesus is called THE BRIGHT morning star (REV 22:16) so also are the other morning stars(angels). So Jesus is the CHIEF Angel with the archangel's voice (1 Thes 4:16). Jesus is called Prince of Peace in Isa 9:6 and the original Hebrew word for Prince means PATRON ANGEL which is the same Hebrew Word used for Michael the archangel in Daniel.
Hello how are you; I greatly gratefully appreciate your hard work I hope you are very well right now.
Thank you for the encouragement:)
Cool, calm, collective and very on point scripturally. Love your style👍🏾
As for the JW cult,even main stream christian truth from the bible contradicts their idea of Jesus being Michael the archangel.This is refuted in the book of Hebrews 1:5For to which of the angels did God ever say:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father”?
What a blessing to know that the true identity of Jesus is Michael and that Jehovah was sitting on his throne the whole time while that mere man and angel Jesus walked the earth 😊
That's why he was made a little lower than the angels and not a little lower than one of the tri(3) persons within a trinity.
Then he was given a superior position to the angels after his faithful course as the Son of Man.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
So He became higher in rank than the angels, just as the name He inherited is superior to theirs. Hebrews 1:4 Promoted in rank, when he returned to heaven. God does not need a superior position....since he alone holds the Most High position over all the earth, according to Psalm 83:18......however, Jesus was given a promotion in rank, for his faithful course, to sit at God's right hand.
@@celticmarmite6048 The superior position is the archangel chief position.
@@archangeljesus4369 It is!!!!! Few are finding it.
Good Day Brother. If someone came to you and tell you that you have a voice just like Elvis Presley does that make you Elvis Presley? Nope not at all
Haha! Truth!
You did a great job!
God bless you sir. Awesome info. This message is blessing me and I will share with others. Can’t wait for your next video. Not sure if you have done one on blood transfusions or about holidays that JWS are pagan. JW’s don’t believe in sin or hell……….just suggestions
That would make a great video… especially one on hell. Many Christians need teaching on this as well
@@ericschaeffer8288 maybe a video on the trinity….ooooh that would be great. I’m finding it a little difficult( and it’s probably not difficult) to explain. I have a binder dedicated to your and 2 other people on you tube explanations on the Word Of God. Thank you I’ve learned sooo much from you. Truly appreciate you and your efforts. I say these things with nothing but respect
@@calirios7945 great encouragement! Yes! I can see the fruit in a video on the Trinity
Hey, I came across your video & watched it all over again, I laughed like I did the first time when you came up with Felix the cat, Bozo the clown, Popeye the sailor, don't know why it just made me laugh up a storm!
Summer, you have been deceived.. there is not ONE scripture in the entire Bible CLEARLY saying Jesus is Michael the Archangel. It’s an earth shattering revelation that SHOULD be revealed in the Bible, but ISN’T!!.. Your very ETERNAL destiny is at stake, and God will hold you accountable for, as Jesus said “forsaking the Word of God for the doctrines of men” Mark 7:8. ... According to Daniel 10:13, it CLEARLY says Michael is ONE of the chief princes.
Michael the Archangel wasn't a Mighty but is a Mighty Warrior!
Jesus tells you himself that he is an Archangel.
“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
Revelation 22:16 KJV
A morning star is an Archangel. He is not just a morning star is the brightest. You need no more than this verse to understand who Jesus is.
Then, why did Jesus say, '..I sent my angel to testify unto you these things..'
He clearly said, he sent his angel. The Bright, and morning star.
Let see how much you understand. I have taken the word and out for the purpose of you to understand.
*"I am the Root, Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."*
@@Gatteleylife9957 If I've studied anything, without a filtered lens, is the theology of the Trinity. It's never made sense, not just to me, but to anyone. Even to people who believe in it.
There is more biblical truth of Jesus being Michael, than the Trinity being found in the bible.
John 10:30 The Father and I are one. This verse alone destroys any belief in the Trinity.
@@cipherspace2503 Or, Revelation 1: 1 " A revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him. .." He's up in heaven now , and he is still isn't in possession of all knowledge.
There are many, many, many passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too.
Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God
and we are the people of his pasture,
the flock under his care.
Today, if only you would hear his voice,
Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”
Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God.
John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God.
John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was.
John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us.
A human being is what I am. u/TrinityIsTruth is who I am.
God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people.
The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God.
Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus.
Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour.
John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Gensis 32:22-32.
Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58
Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven.
Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father.
Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later.
In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four.
Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal.
Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
I've been studying the Bible with JW for about 8 months now and this week learned of Gog of Magog which lead me to Jesus being Michael the archangel. I'm so confused on this lol there's so many interpretations of the Bible.
Read *Romans 10:9-17* and *Romans 14:5-11* in context in a normal Bible (ESV, NKJV, NIV, KJV, etc) and ask yourself who is the "Lord" in Romans 10:13 and Romans 14:8.
Then read the same text in NWT and see if you reach the same conclusion or if something is different ❓🧐
Remember, confusion is not from the Lord… there is a reason the world calls the Watchtower a cult.
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Here is a simple test… is there one time Jesus is called Michael in the Bible? Or do we have to make up creative scenarios to make this fit?
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Another test:
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Is there one time Jesus is called God in the Bible?… without the use of creative scenarios?
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Jesus is Michael- no clear text exists
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Jesus is God -
JESUS IS CALLED:
"mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6)
"God with us" (Matthew 1:23)
“God” (John 1:1)
"my Lord and my God" (John 20:28)
"great God and Savior" (Titus 2:13)
“God” (Hebrews 1:8)
"God and Savior" (2 Peter 1:1)
JESUS SAID:
"Before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58)
"the Father and I are one" (John 10:30)
"he that sees Me, sees the Father" (John 14:9)
"I am the First and the Last" (Rev. 1:17-18)
"I am the Alpha and Omega" (Rev. 22:12-13)
JESUS DID THINGS ONLY RESERVED FOR JEHOVAH:
Raise Himself from the dead. (John 2:19-21, 10:18)
Receives worship. (Mat. 2:11,14:33, 28:9, John 9:38, Heb. 1:6)
Forgives sins (Mark 2:5-7)
Only name by which to be saved (Acts 4:12)
These things do not make any sense, unless of course, Jesus is God.
There are many, many, many passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too.
Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God
and we are the people of his pasture,
the flock under his care.
Today, if only you would hear his voice,
Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”
Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God.
John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God.
John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was.
John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us.
A human being is what I am. u/TrinityIsTruth is who I am.
God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people.
The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God.
Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus.
Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour.
John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Gensis 32:22-32.
Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58
Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven.
Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father.
Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later.
In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four.
Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal.
Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
I am not a Jehova Witness but I do believe with all my heart Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ ❤️❤️❤️
Also not JW and I agree with you.
Believing Michael is another name for Jesus is not heretical as long as you understand that Jesus is fully God just as the Father and Holy Spirit.
There are good Biblical arguments to sustain such a view. Adventists affirm orthodox Trinitarian views and historically have identified Michael as another name for Christ. This is similar to the Angel of the Lord identified at various place in Scripture as God. (Ex. 3, Jos. 5 & 6)
@@PrairieChristianOutreach Micah 5:2 (the prophecy of Jesus' birth in Bethlehem) shows Him as existing since time past immortal. The original Hebrew word for "everlasting" here is "olam" (everlasting time in the past). Paul (in Heb chapter 1) quotes, in part, from Ps 45:6-7 In the case of Heb 1:8 the original Greek is "eis aiōn aiōn" (from forever to forever). For Ps 45:6 it is "olam ad" (there's that word again) - "from forever past to forever future".
And just who is the God of God? Heb 1:9; Ps 45:7? The answer is simple. Heb 1 shows the Son of God created all things and rules from eternity to eternity. Ps 45:6-7 also shows this. God the Father is the God of Jesus His son.
I expect people to argue but there's the scriptures for this (some of them anyway, there's more).
@@davidstarr6604 Interesting assessment, especially Ps. 45:6-7. That is indeed an intriguing passage. I believe it can be connected to Phil. 2:9 and the idea that Jesus submitted to the Father and in turn the Father exhausted the Son.
I believe the Bible indicates that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of the same substance. Meaning they are by nature all one God. That is the natural conclusion of having all three persons being all knowing, all powerful, and all present. (Ps. 155:3, Is. 55:11, John 14:9)
@@davidstarr6604 Regarding Michael being Jesus, the biggest objection is Jude 9, however it does parallel Zech. 3:1-5. I conclude that is exactly how God dealt with Satan. He would not revile Satan, but rather defeated him by the life and death of Jesus Christ. In some regards this is classic Christus Victor atonement theory, which is one of the oldest theories in church history.
I was watching a 7th day Adventist who just said this and that’s why I’m searching right now.
It only makes sense that Jesus would come with a herald. Who better than one of the Archangels?
I currently asked a jws on God being *the only true God.* for which they were 100% on the subject. They talked on the Trinity. And they are convinced that we worship 3 gods. We continue with our conversation. At the end. And they just couldn't keep up with the understanding they supposably had. Yup.... they choke up to there own understanding of bible. They said at the end. "Well, we just share the truth. If you don't what to expected. Know that your not excepting the bible."
So I told them. "But why can't you answer biblically? Yes.... you have this part right but the other is assumed. No bible supported to say that's the way it is."
I love it when people say that Michael the archangel went to war or battled Satan and his angels but never say what did they battle with. Don't think theirs any steel companies in heaven making steel for swords, amo, tanks, cannons or guns. So when it says battle what is it speaking about? Did any Angels on either side die? Suffer injuries?
Great question… I too would like to know if either side suffers casualties!
Thank you for this solid logic around these matters.
I have had 2 young friends who were and still are a part of that organization. We have a branch, or kingdom hall, as they are called in our community here.
They were such a blessing to me in my studying of scripture but even though I see them as friends I am warned against them. Naturally I want to help them but am quite young in these matters as ive only been able to read through the whole bible once (NIV).
I had to rely on things ive been told from believers and put the pieces together as I go. I have an ESV but have never fully read as I believe I have much better things to do than simply reading scriptures. But I could be mistaken. As I too am a man but have wondered if i was more than merely a man. The wisdom of the Holy bible brings clarity to these matters of the heart and soul and of all things.
The Trinity of "The" Father Son and Holy Spirit is hard to grasp for a mind that understands what a father mother son and daughter is but when it comes to God those words are complex without fully matured wisdom.
Thanks again.
The Trinity is simple ...Jesus is the almighty.....and also Son of the almighty basically Jesus is his own father...see is very simple
Daniel 12 v 1 LivEng And at that time Michael will stand, the great prince who stands on behalf of the sons of your people; and there will come the time of a distress that there had not been since a nation existed up to that time; but at that time your people will come off safe, everyone that is written down in the Book
Mat 24 v 20-22 But pray that your flight may not come in winter or on a sabbath; 21 for then there will be such great distress as there has not been from the beginning of the world till now, nor shall be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short no flesh would have come safe through; but because of the chosen those days will be cut short
The time period ties up with that of Jesus
Why would they explicitly say that Michael is not JESUS in 1879? It seems strange that the Watchtower put that statement out more recently when no one taught or believed Michael is JESUS. No one else teaches or believes that JESUS is Michael.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God Almighty !
I challenged a seventh day 'pAsToR' with Daniel 10:13 and he showed me his Bible, it was a Spanish Reyna Valera 1950 version and it appeared changed!! His said that Michael was THE prince, not one of....
Then he said Jesus was not god's son...
I left.
Thank you!!
Short version - the Bible makes it clear there are more than one archangels/princes so Michael is one of at least several
Yes!!! I have yet to talk to a Jehovahs Witness who will accept this clear Biblical Truth
@@ericschaeffer8288 my father a senior elder and brother another senior elder become aggressively defensive when I try to read on with them. Even knowing I was a victim of CSA in this cult when I was 11. Their governing body of clowns has a firm hold over them.
the Bible makes it clear there is one archangel..the great Prince Michael in Daniel 12:1-2 the one who will bring the great tribulation and after that the resurrection , it is been in the bible for more than 2500 years but mainstream christians are not allowed to read the whole bible....but sing songs
Perhaps this helps ….
Let’s start with Paul who calls Jesus an angel Galatians 4:14
14 And though my physical condition was a trial for you, you did not treat me with contempt or disgust; but you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus.
Because Jesus is called the firstborn of all creation in Colossians 1:15.
It would certainly make sense to the known benefits of the firstborn of responsibility and priority that Jehovah would make his only begotten son the leader of the angels as the example that Jesus/Michael is.
Next I say look at John 3:13 and Revelation 18:1
John 3:13
13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
Revelation 18:1
1 After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory.
Jesus is the only one who descended to earth with great authority and illuminated the earth with his Glory.
Revelation 18:1 calls Jesus an angel….
Now let’s go to Matthew 13:39 where it says angels are reapers…remember this. and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels.
Now let’s go to Revelation 14:14-16,19….
14 Then I saw, and look! a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was someone like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.
15 Another angel emerged from the temple sanctuary, calling with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust his sickle into the earth, and the earth was reaped.
19 The angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and he hurled it into the great winepress of God’s anger.
Now we know Jesus is the son of man and someone like a son of man after he was resurrected to heaven and at this time Jehovah has granted him all authority in heaven and earth except authority over Jehovah Himself.
He is in the heavens… sitting on a cloud and ruling as King … the crown on his head and holding a sharp sickle in his hand and plunges it into the earth to reap it…..
Now Jesus also called an angel here is the leader of the angels and is reaping the earth….who are the reapers according to Mathew 13:39?
Angels, who is the leader of the angels?
Michael, the archangel. Who shouts with the voice of the archangel? Jesus….
As the video mentions 1 Thessalonians 4:16
16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.
Jesus is again descending to the earth with the voice of the archangel and the authority given to him by God…Gods trumpet to resurrect the dead.--the anointed first.
Who was the angel speaking for Jehovah at the burning bush?
The angel of Jehovah… the Word of God.
The Word is called angel also in Zechariah 4:4-6
4 Then I asked the angel who was speaking with me: “What do these things mean, my lord?” 5 So the angel who was speaking with me asked: “Do you not know what these things mean?” I replied: “No, my lord.” 6 He then said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Ze·rubʹba·bel: ‘
Who is speaking to Zechariah?
An angel…. Who does this angel identify himself as ?
The Word of Jehovah.
There are many passages that speak about this in Zechariah and in Daniel and in Hebrews as well….
Examine the scriptures carefully.
Jesus reports that he has a new name
I believe he is speaking about Michael as he was known in heaven before and Jesus to how he was known on earth.
Revelation 3:12
The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
Gabriel is one of the archangels as well. But the idea that Jesus created the archangel 10:17 ... that seems to be confusing the persons of the Trinity. God the Father is the creator, THROUGH Jesus. Father, Creator, Jesus, Redeemer, Spirit, comforter. Confusing the persons ends up sounding not Trinitarian and seems to imply Oneness theology.
Check out John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16… Jesus is the Creator… beautiful Trinitarian texts:)
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@@ericschaeffer8288 John 13:16 says that mere servant Jesus will always be below the one who sent him.
@@archangeljesus4369 " To which one of the angels did he ever say:" You are my Son?" They try to catch people out here. Those words were said in reference to him being the Son of Man.
It was at Jesus' baptism, when his God and Father said those words.
Jesus wasn't a spirit being, but a Man on earth, when he emptied himself , of his divinty, and he certainly wasn't a God Man....being put to death in the flesh, then after 3 days, being made alive in the spirit! People thought he was the gardener, and he appeared suddenly in a room where the door was locked.
Christian regards.
What page of the 1879 Watch Tower is that reference to Michael on in the beginning of the video?
Hi… you’ll find all the bibliography information in the description box
In Genesis the fallen angles were referred to as the sons of God. As for the people he created are often referred to as his children. I understand all to well how the witnesses operate , however I find that as many times the Bible has been translated there has been quite a lot of poetic license taken in the process even to make it more likable to the reader. This leaves it very easy for people to argue in either direction. By the way I don't disagree with you. This is just an observation.❤
I am being fed this as well and I always knew Michael to be the commander of the other Angels but Jesus to be the High Commander of all Angles including Michael this is the first time in my life that I heard they're the same person and that goes for God and Jesus too,to me they're three different beings,but I would believe Jesus is God before Michael because Michael is a created being and Jesus is not plain and simple and this is with little knowledge of the Bible I just follow what the Lord turns me to!
There are many, many, many passages where God speaks in the first person in the Old Testament, and Jesus will quote these in the first person about himself. He will claim things that are titles of God alone about himself and tells us he can not only hear our prayers but has the ability to answer them too.
Psalm 95:7 - for he is our God
and we are the people of his pasture,
the flock under his care.
Today, if only you would hear his voice,
Isaiah 43:13 - Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”
Deuteronomy 32:29 - “See now that I myself am he!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Two of these are God speaking in the first person, one about God.
John 10:27-30 Jesus speaking, - 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
It continues to 33 with the Jewish audience picking up stones to kill Jesus, he asks for what good works do you stone me, and they say not for good works, but you being a man make yourself out to be God.
John 8:58, Jesus said that before Abraham was, I AM, which is what God told Moses his name was.
John 1:1,14 Jesus is the Word who was there in the beginning with God, and who was God, who took on flesh and dwelt among us.
A human being is what I am. u/TrinityIsTruth is who I am.
God is what the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are. One God, who is three people.
The only reason the Trinity exists is because scripture teaches that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God.
Jesus said, "Destroy this temple (meaning his body) and in three days, I will raise it up!" He did not say his Father would raise him, although the Father and the Holy Spirit are each explicitly given credit for raising Jesus.
Isaiah 43:11, God said there is no savior besides him. Titus 3:6 Jesus is called our Saviour.
John 6:46, Jesus says no one has seen the Father, yet Abraham spoke face to face with God in Genesis 18:19, Moses spoke face to face with God in Exodus 33:11 and Moses and the elders of Israel went up Mount Sinai and saw the God of Israel seated on a throne and ate with him. Jacob wrestled with God in Gensis 32:22-32.
Jesus is the one who ascends and descends out of heaven and the appearances of God throughout the Old Testament is Jesus. This is why he said before Abraham was, I am in John 8:58
Gensis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens." When LORD is all caps it's using God's holy name in Hebrew, and Abraham was just pleading face to face with God to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:24 says Yahweh rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from Yahweh out of heaven.
Jesus is the Yahweh who spoke to Abraham face to face and called sulfur and brimstone out of heaven from Yahweh the Father.
Jesus is God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus IS the Messiah friend. The Trinity is what scripture taught from the beginning because it is from the scripture that the idea of the tri-unity between the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit as being God teaches. Not something come up with later.
In Mark Jesus heals the paralytic man, but first, he tells him your sins are forgiven. The Pharisees around thought in their hearts this was blasphemy, because only God can forgive sins. Jesus instantly know what they were thinking and called them out on it, and said to prove to you I can forgive sins, get up and walk and the paralytic could walk. Jesus proved he is God for only God can forgive sins, only God knows the hearts of men (Jerimiah 11:20 and 17:10), and only God can heal people. Jesus did all three IN MARK'S GOSPEL, which is often considered the oldest of the four.
Read Hebrews 1:8-12. Old Testament scriptures are quoted that are talking about God creating the universe, and Hebrews 1:8-12 quotes them and attributes the Father calling Jesus God, the Lord who created the everything, who is eternal.
Hebrews 1:10-12 Is directly quoting Psalm 102:25-27, where the Psalm is talkling about Yahweh (God) and Hebrews is talking about Jesus, the Son.
@Eric Schaeffer, this is an excellent video, and I admire your reasoning skills. The TH-camr known as 'xjw curious' produced an episode entitled, "Shocking Letter Reveals Jehovah's Witnesses True Beliefs." The letter was allegedly written by an awakened JW who, due to being trapped in a cult which ostracizes and shuns members who speak against Watch Tower dogma, chooses to present current Watch Tower teachings, not in a critical tone, but as "the truth" which every JW has embraced, allowing the beliefs to speak for themselves. The letter serves as a warning to anyone thinking about studying with Jehovah's Witnesses and helps sincere JWs to see just how ridiculous Watch Tower teachings are.
Thank you brother
It is said in the bible many times that Jesus sits at the right side of god, if god and Jesus are the same, why is there a reason in heaven to be seperate? Why does Jesus pray not do his will but the will of god? Why does Jesus say not to call him good but god? If the bible says Jesus and god are one, it does not mean they are part of a trinity, if you marry your wife you can also say you and her are one. The messiah (Jesus) in the bible is called eternal father and mighty god. Why is this the case? It can be normal in the bible to give some a kind of title that is not literal. If Jesus was the first creation this gives him a special relationship with god, thats can be the reason that he is called the son of god and have titles that are close to god..
It's simple why they believe it it doesn't have to make sense their emotionally attached to this organization and anything they say goes
Very true
Jesus Christ is not Michael the archangel but the name Michael means who is like God ? And it also means a gift from God and salvation is a free gift from God 🙏
Daniel 10: 21 in this verse, the messenger says Michael is the Prince of Daniel’s people… the Prince of the Jews ? The prince of prophets? The prince of Believers ?
In this verse Daniel’s people most probably means the Jews… and do you think a simple angel can be Prince of the Jews?
That’s the best verse to prove that Archangel Michael is not just any angel… probably the Angel of The Lord named…
And the Angel of The Lord is the Lord in ancient testament.
Why don’t people realize this? Or just ignore this part of the scripture ?
Just like Isaiah called him Emmanuel, other prophecies call him Michael.
Let’s not forget Michael is the slender and commander of the angels. It’s his angels in the Book of revelation. Angels belong to him, but angels are only submitted to the Most High. The commander of heavens army is Yahweh Sabaoth, the Lord of the armies. How is it Michael is another commander? Again, the Angel of the Lord is the Lord.
Why are people fighting this revelation ? It’s just what the scripture says.
Being a Prince doesn’t make him God or the Son of God. Important, yes… but Michael is also “one of the chief princes.” Who are these other guys? Are you saying there are others out there with Jesus’ same power and authority?
Hey Eric Shaffer! You need to get the book 'Michael and Christ' by Darrell Hannah. He is Trinitarian but he does present data that shows there are FAR MORE parallels between the two figures. He then proceeds to explain it away but I found the book invaluable even if I didn't agree with his conclusions.
Another good book by a Catholic scholar is 'Jesus and the Angels' by Peter Carrell. Reading these book helped me see that JW Michael Christology is true
Parallel? How ? Jesus is God and archangel at the same time ? I doubt 😂
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You just ASSUME Jesus is God according to your Trinitarian traditions. Christ is actually Archangel Michael
@@eew8060 okay ….if it works for you why not !!! Mine works for me lol.If Jesus is your archangel Michael then have fun !!!
Amen. Thank you
3:55 you can see all the similarities in one version of the Bible. JESUS is divine MICHAEL also is Divine. Just like Angel of the Lord is Divine. JW make mistake that Michael and Jesus are the same but not divine . You making mistake that MICHAEL and JESUS are not the same. But if you research it you will see they are the same playing different roles . JESUS said I Am but he is the LAMB also HEIs the HIGH PRIEST also HE is the BREAD HE is the GOOD SHEPHERD LORD of LORDS KING of KINGS ALPHA and OMEGA FIRST and LAST BEGINNING and ENDING. If I missed something you guys can add. GOD BLESS.
My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: Proverb 24:21 King James BIBLE
Since you know so much!
What was Jesus doing for 4,000 years before he was born?
Thank you
What does the Bible say God was going?
You’re welcome
@@ericschaeffer8288 I asked a question?
What was Jesus doing for 4,000 years before he was born?
Answer the question - genius!
@ I did answer. Jesus is God so He was doing what God was doing. He was a work all throughout Creation and the Old Testament
@@ericschaeffer8288 God is going to rebuke you and expose you as a liar.
@@ericschaeffer8288 Nice try,
There is no trinity, rapture, triune or alter calls in the Bible! - just more false religion.
Organized religion is Babylon the Great Harlot - headed for the lake of fire!
Google Babylon the Great Harlot so you can learn about organized religion aka false religion and their ultimate destination.
The Whore of Babylon, also known as Babylon the Great, is a symbolic figure mentioned in the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. She represents evil, corruption, and opposition to God, often associated with idolatry and false religion.
John 3:16 do you recall this scripture? God never lies.
We are to pray to God, not Jesus - remember The Model Prayer. Pray like this, "Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name." This is what Jesus taught, and the people hate it?
Most Christian congregations claim that Jesus is God and will not even acknowledge Jehovah God's name. As a matter of fact, they hate God's name, and they are not going access to Jesus or receive everlasting life.
Jesus tells us to specifically pray direct to God the Father. He does not tell us to pray direct to Himself and the Holy Spirit. And he tells us to worship only Jehovah God, not Himself and the Holy Spirit.
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Also, these three scriptures below put an end to the trinity nonsense!
Matthew 6:9 PRAY
“Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.
Matthew 4:10 WORSHIP
Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."
Eph 1:5 ONE GOD
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all.
It's truly shocking of how many people will try to prove that God is a liar!
We are to worship God, not Jesus, according to Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer.
Also, most Christian congregations refuse to comply with Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer. The most important scriptures of all and they are not going to be saved!! They failed to follow Jesus' Commandments.
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If you hate God's name and his people, it means that you are wicked!
Psalms 37:20
For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures; They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end.
John 17:3 where Jesus states, “Now this is eternal life; that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
Even Jesus Himself agrees that there is only one true God, which is not Himself, since He refers to Himself as separate and distinct from the “true God.”
Jesus is “Everlasting Father”?
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
Identifies Jesus as “Everlasting Father”. However, this does not mean that Jesus is our Father. Jesus taught us to pray to God the Father, a Person distinct from God the Son.
One of the primary rules of interpreting Scripture is that “Scripture interprets Scripture” and “Scripture cannot contradict itself”. So, we immediately can rule out that this verse is somehow saying that Jesus is literally one and the same as “God the Father” which also destroys the Trinity.
There is no trinity, rapture, triune or alter calls in the Bible either - just more false religion.
The Word is the Bible - that's how God and Jesus speak to us is through the scriptures.
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us was Jesus' life would be the NT.
Get a Bible that has God's name restored - instead of a false religion Bible that has removed Jehovah's name 6,828 places. The English translation for the word JHWH is Jehovah.
2 Peter 2:1-2
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered.
All English Bibles say God's name is Jehovah - (not Jesus) so Jehovah is the correct English translation for God's name!
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The Chinese word for God is Shangdi
The English word for God is Jehovah
The Old Irish word for God is día
The Italian word for God is Dio
The Japanese word for God is kami
The Korean word for God is ha-na-nim
The Polish word for God is Bóg
The Portuguese word for God is deus
The Russian word for God is Бог
The Spanish word for God is Dios
The Scottish word for God is DOST
We are to sanctify Jehovah God's name - not Jesus name - (hallowed be thy name) not hate his name and refuse to even acknowledge his name. We are to love your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. Instead, you hate his name!
Psalms 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Psalms 37:20
For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures. They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end.
2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
But for the wicked who have rejected Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer and hate God's name and his people and who only worship the son, sports and holidays, their options are wide open.
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The wicked are annihilated-snuffed out of conscious existence forever. Biblically, however, hell is a real place of conscious, eternal suffering (Matt. 5:22; 25:41, 46; Jude 1:7; Rev. 14:11; 20:10, 14).
I believe in what the Bible says. How about you?
Since the wicked chose to be an enemy of God, they will defiantly be going to Hades or option A, B, C, D, E, F, etc. I have created a list of options that may help them decide before judgement time arrives, so they should plan in advance due to limited space. Maybe they will grant their request, but most likely they won't. But no sense in not trying!
Below is a list of options for the wicked.
A - Abyss
B - Aionios
C - Eternal Damnation
D - Eternal Punishment
E - Fiery Lake of Burning Sulfur
F - Fire and Brimstone
G - Gehenna
H - Grave
I - Hades
J - Hell
K - Inferno
L - Limbo
M - Lower World
N - Pandemonium
O - Pit
P - Pyr
Q - Shoel
R - Tararus
Their options are wide open, so they should choose carefully.
Matthew 7:14
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
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3:07 I love that the JW quoted 2 Thess 1:7 because this is actually an OT quote from Isaiah 66:15-16 and Isaiah 2:10,19 about Jehovah being applied to Jesus in the NT.
Compare:
2 Thess 1:7-10 - Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire ... glory of his might
Isaiah 66:15-16 - Jehovah will come in fire with his angels
Isaiah 2:10,19- Enter into the rock and hide in the dustfrom before the terror of the Lord (Jehovah), and from the splendor of his majesty. (In Greek LXX "splendor of his majesty" are the same words as "glory of his might" in 2 Thess 1:9)
It's actually an _exact_ quote but even some Bible translations miss the reference to Isaiah 2:10, 19 because of the difference between Greek/Hebrew. The Greek translation rendered "glory of his might" (in Hebrew OT) as "splendor of his majesty" (in Greek OT and NT). Applying that OT quote about Jehovah to Jesus in 2 Thess 1:7-9.
The trinity is not there in the Bible why can't you see that why continue defending something that is so false?
@@Scott-t2p zero answer to my comment
@@timd3895 God in him and him in God does not mean he is God 1 John 4:15, 16 KJV 1 John 4:4 KJV
@@timd3895 the Father gave the Son his title names
@@Scott-t2p Jehovah is coming with his angels and every tongue will confess Jesus is Jehovah to the glory of God the Father 🙂
8:53 Arch angel means the head of the angels . Remember the angels belong to MICHAEL and no one else . We read MICHAEL and HIS angels fought with the Devil. This is all the angels are fighting against the devil and his angels war in heaven one group belongs to MICHAEL the other belong to satan.GOD BLESS.
The name Michael In open starts here...Numbers 13:13
King James Version
13 Of the tribe of Asher, Sethur the son of Michael.
Any sensible person who reads DANIEL 12 verse 1 and 2 and compare it to John 5 verse 28 and 29 must conclude that both accounts are speaking of the same event and the same person MICHAEL IS JESUS. IF MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS, HOW DID HE GET THE BOOK? REVELATIONS 5 verse 1 to 5 says NO ONE IN HEAVEN OR ON THE EARTH WAS WORTHY TO OPEN THE BOOK OR EVEN LOOK ON IT BUT JESUS. SO HOW did MICHAEL get the book?
What Bible are you using?
I use a wide variety of Bibles
1 Thessalonians 4:16
[16]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel.
Jude 1:9
[9]Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Personally I am not religious but those scriptures clearly indicate that Michael is indeed Jesus.
In my language we don't call Him Jesus. We will say tranlated "the Lord Jesus the Christ " Because He is not simply the greatest man that ever lived, but He is also God Almighty one with the Father.
What a great explanation.
Jessus is god but who is the God of jessus
Brilliant, thank you so much. I can't tell you the number of times I have debated this topic with all the JW's that come knocking on my door. You have supplied more passages of scripture I can use next time I see them, because these folk don't give up. the JW's will not accept Jesus as God incarnate. Their only real defence is this ....
"If Jesus is God, then who was he praying to, why does he cry out on the tree or stake (because they don't believe he was nailed to a cross) "My God my God why has thou forsaken me", and furthermore, who sent him as he states he was sent".
I have to admit I don't know how to answer them on that one, it's difficult unless you are extremely well versed in scripture.
I have given them only a couple of passages from the Bible which call both Jehovah God and Jesus the Alpha and omega the first and the last. The one big one I quote is in the gospel of John. "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. It goes on to state ...and the word became flesh and dwelt among us. They pull that one to shreds by emphasising the word "With" . They told me, well if the word was "with" God how could he be God himself. Honestly, they drive me insane, and Im not well versed in God's word to silence them or at least have them go away and think about what I said.
Anyway, I'm sorry for being so lengthy but you have given in this video scripture quotes I was not aware of, and that I can now use. I have written them down. These long talks start when they try to convince me Jesus isn't God and that he is the archangel, Michael. Thanks again, this is very much appreciated.
I think you will find my other video very helpful. It answers their questions simply but powerfully
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@@ericschaeffer8288 Thank you so very very much. I have just watched the video link you provided for me. Wonderful powerful Bible based responses, have been exactly what I have been looking for.
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JW's will not accept Jesus is his own father as you believe