Yes, I am not a Jew, I am a Christian, but antisemitism makes me feel physically sick..Jesus was both a Christian and a Jew..the two are not incompatible at all..dark times like the Holocaust must NEVER be repeated..Lest We Forget..my love and blessings to yourself and your family 😢
Funny that, because when I read about the harrying of the north, the battle of Towton, Watt Tyler on the gibbet after the peasants revolt, the people who died in the fire of London, the battle of the Somme (where my grandfather who I knew was shot) or the Normandy landings that my father was involved in, I don't feel the same sorrow. Funny that, perhaps we accept our lot in life and understand life is a struggle, sometimes defeats, sometimes victories.
This is so sad. The more I learn about humanity, the more disappointed I feel about our race. I wish I could say we are more evolved, but in 2024 with worldwide conflicts, I understand that many have not.
I sincerely hope that at some point, all bone fragments and remains were allowed to be buried respectfully with a most solemn and high Jewish funeral service. Rest now, poor souls, and at last be at peace. You did not die unknown. We remember you.
@@samw8452 hope a memorial is in that Mall at the spot of the well letting modern public know they stand/shop on a spot where ethnic cleansing took place. The victims of greed/jealousy n religious hatred
Many years ago, a party of people went on a mystery tour day out. On arrival at their mystery destination the tour guide gave a little talk, she asked the visitors to be considerate and polite to the locals they may meet, many of whom would have webbed hands and feet, and take extra care when taking photo's, as the indigenous population believed that a photo of themselves taken by a stranger, stole away their very soul. The guide then said, please be back to the rendezvous at the coach by 5 :15 pm , for the journey home, but do have nice day out and enjoy Norwich . On a serious note, my late wife and I , after moving to Norfolk often went to Norwich, and I do actually remember this tent being outside the Britain center, but had no idea of the reason, as nothing was publicly declared at the time.
I wish I could turn back time and become young again so I could have learned forensics and became a forensic analyst. Now I’m too old to even memorise simple tasks. 😔
The forensic anthologist only identified the ethnic background of 5 of the bodies. The rest he said were fairly common European DNA. 5 of the identified are believed to have come from the same family. Yet the majority of children in the well were of "generic European DNA" and not related. It is said that the family was thrown into the well at the same time; but what about the non-related children? This documentary didn't make it very clear as to when they went into the well. And.... there were known formal cemeteries of both populations in the area. So we know the circumstances of being "buried" in this well were specific to the individuals who were found in the well. Am wondering who besides myself has a.... hypothesis based on a certain understanding of history? (Thus why Lily W didn't answer the inquiries.)
Soz didn’t know people actually asked me what happened after??? Watching the show that says what happened? we threw some Jewish people down a well because we were arseholes it’s in the documentary I just already knew this before watching it, we also had a little revolt against the church and are the only city in England excommunicated by the pope because of it if u want more random history about Norwich pls just google it:)
As the traditional Jewish saying goes, may their memory be a blessing! The sentiment behind "rest in peace" is admirable, but Jewish people prefer the former saying.
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It wasn't forced suicide because the children were on top which obviously means they went in last. I don't think a child could do that. The parents would had to throw them in and jump in after them.
They weren't committing suicide by well. There weren't kids chucking their parents in and jumping down on top of them. The family may have committed suicide, and then their bodies were tossed down the well by the townspeople.
The suggestion is that one member of the family slaughtered the others and put them down the well, then obviously there wouldn't be anyone left to put that person in the well - wonder what happened to that person? My personal feeling is that it probably wasn't a 'mercy' killing committed by a loved-one because the children were killed last - that means they had to watch the rest of the family die, which is horrific.
They would have died somewhere else together, thecwell was where the people who found the bodies dumped them. No Rabbi would throw the bodies down a well. They likely committed suicide with their Rabbi in their own home or hiding place before the mob got to them.
I enjoy this show but I find it hard to believe that all these well-educated professionals were surprised to discover the identities of the persons thrown down the well. Is history taught that badly in secondary school and university? Or did they know, and they were forced to play ignorant all the way through the program for the big reveal at the end? I knew right away what the answer was.
If they died by having their throats cut by themselves or their father, it doesn’t really make sense that the children would be killed last? Maybe they were not killed last but thrown into the well last? But normally the children would be killed by the family before the adults.
The Baroness Black of Strome, Sue Black, Profesor, Anthropologist, Forensic scientist, anatomist, academic, one of my biggest influences, I started watching the shows at 15, I’m in my second year of archaeology anthropology and criminology, I knew it was my calling in a trip to Scotland, her home country (I’m from Costa Rica, so literally The other side of the world). I can only hope to be and do even a %1 of what she is to me.
Edward the First (also called Long Shanks) was responsible for ordering the mass murder of Jewish people in England and was awarded the title "defender of the faith" which still appears on English coins. The Queen of England still holds this title and her extended family particularly her uncle the former king were closely involved with the Nazis. A family tradition it seems.
I am so sick of everyone’s opinions medical people who want their moment in the limelight, leave the Royal family alone, we love them, value their role and are grateful for their efforts,remember there are children involved in this.
That's a very good idea with the increasing popularity of genetic testing. Crimes are being solved through familial DNA matches. People are finding family they never knew they had. At the very least it would be neat to release their genetic profile to the public and see if anyone gets a hit. An awful longshot, especially the longer time has passed, but one that could aid in their investigations and help humanize the victims. Sadly, this channel is just re-releasing TV documentaries and this series seems not to have lasted. I'd love to see a new season or similar show do that though.
Basic genetic theory tells us that someone who lived in the 12th century and who had descendants would in fact be the ancestor of a large percentage of people in Europe, especially (obviously in this case) the British Isles. That's because if you go back just a little further another 100-150 years then pretty much anyone in Europe who had descendants MUST be your ancestor if you have any sort of European genetic background. This is because their offspring have spread out so much and bred with other people's offspring generation after generation by a certain point in time everyone is their descendent. So, for example, anyone of European background is a descendent of Charlemagne or Alfred the Great. And, as you go back further the basic geographic are from which your ancestors came grows larger which is why unless you have a genetic background that is solidly from the New World or some remote area of the old you are a descendent of, say, Rameses the Great or Cleopatra and Marc Antony. The point is that there is no family whose descendants you could track in this case - assuming they had any immediate descendants that lived by now ANYONE with a background from the British Isles is doubtlessly their descendent and quite likely from much further beyond as well. Mind you, that doesn't mean you necessarily have any of their DNA as over the generations it might very well have been superseded by that of some other source. Likewise, even if you had some DNA sequences in common with them it is almost assured you didn't get it from them in particular (and it would be nigh impossible to prove even if you did). Think of it this way - if you fit the criteria above this is sadly a story of how some of your ancestors were brutally murdered thanks to blind bigotry. :-(
I am pleased that the group investigating are effected emotionally. And I hope that their is shame that their is so much racial and religious hate in the world
Did the people of Norwich participate in the Europe wide Jewish persecution? Well, it was Europe wide and had happened in other parts of England. In this case, it's an obvious 'yes'.
"Opening wounds that people now have to address" is a realistic view. It's important to also realize that, until those wounds are addressed, healing would be difficult to impossible. By opening up the wounds, re-fracturing the bone as it were, you are permitting true healing to occur. Yes, it's painful, and likely that healing will be irregular &/or incomplete, but at least now they're working with a more complete picture. Heartbreaking, though necessary. Thank you for all the work that you do!
The people living in Norwich today may be descendants of the people living there at the time of the murders ... or not. Even if they are they're centuries removed from the event. However, I do think the conclusion is inescapable that these people died as the result of mob violence against Jews, and then thrown down a dry well. The disrespect shown to the bodies of the victims is a dead giveaway. Also telling that nobody from the Jewish community at the time recovered the bodies to give them a proper burial. Surely such an infamous act resulting in the deaths of an entire family comprising nearly 10% of Norwich's Jewish population would have been well known among them.
For me, this is one of the saddest episodes I've watched so far. Such a tragic end for these poor people. I can't even begin to imagine the amount of persecution & sadness they had to deal with at the hands of other people. Especially in the end. Very, very sad 😢
WOW... its my day off (work 13 hr shifts as a hospital nurse) tired of normal tv and news. I enjoy TH-cam as an alternative. This video looked interesting.. so I watched it. Before I knew it I was writing notes to research things like Balkan War Crimes,1190-1290ngland history... etc. 3/4 way through, I was in aww at what they found. Thank you ladies (and DNA guy). You are awesome.
Lol answers make more questions if you have a curious mind LOL been there. My search histories would confuse normal people but I am pretty naormal. I um ... think
Isn't that amazing? Imagine the jobs today that were not possible 10 years ago! UX designer? Compositor? I mean, it's not like kids grow up dreaming of a career of...determining climate conditions in ancient logs. And the correlations made and conclusions that can be drawn. It is truly incredible thinking of the multitudes of disciplines and occupations that make the world go! lol
@636lover1 Schools are so focused on students passing the tests the government has decided they should that there’s little room for innovation. So true about interests changing. I also hated history in school, thought it a waste of time. A few years ago, also like you, I started watching myriad history videos, soaking in this fascinating subject.
As sad as this is, the current inhabitants of the town have nothing to do with what happened centuries ago by their ancestors. Very moving how they care for these people though.
This was so sad, to find out that this was like an ethnic cleansing. It brings to mind all the persecution that the Jewish people have endured over thousands of years. I hear the echoes from history. This must never happen again... never again.
It was an ethnic cleansing and sadly this is still going on. Only the groups involved change (Jews,Muslims Christians African-Americans and on and on depending where and when the "cleansing " takes place.
you say they have been persecuted for thousands of years. So what about them persecuting Jesus? that is the top reason it happens/happened and if christians had played a part in the take down off another religions main "saviour" or "messiah" then christians would also be persecuted and heck they are today anyway with all this woke delusional unscientific nonsense.
Probably my favourite episode.of History Cold Case. It was such a powerful and emotional moment when she said "these are still skeletons, but these are now people." They have put a human face on the past and it's left us with an uncomfortable feeling that we must embrace if we're to accept our past for what it is.
Very heart breaking no matter in what manner they died and for what reason. Sad, so sad. I do find it very fascinating though how through modern science, we are able to solve so many of history's mysteries. I wonder if they might take those MtDNA samples and cross match them to available DNA samples through out the world and see if there are matches of descendants. Would be very interesting.
Interesting, but incredibly sad. It was nice to see the sympathy of the people at the end. Because even though this happened centuries ago.....there’s still an ache for these people.
@ Evy courtney, if you cannot feel pain of this small group of people, then you are not able to care about hundreds of thousands you are talking. Your comment is a hypocrite talk.
Professor Sue Black. She is an amazing person who has worked in Sariavo and Kosovo getting justice for the thousands murdered during those conflicts. I'm pretty sure she earned a damehood for all her hard work. She has written a few books and gives lectures and interviews that can be found on TH-cam.
She has seen things we can't even imagine in our nightmares. I hope she is able to deal with it and still remain humane. It would make the most jaded of us cynical and bitter.
I've walked over the site of the well many times. Everytime i always wonder what really happened that night. considering its probably the biggest mystery in Norwich's history, its almost universally unknown in Norfolk. Certainly, noone i've spoken to about it has ever heard of it, and nothing was made of it when the remains were found.
She has written some interesting and entertaining books about her work. Very readable with some hilarious moments alongside some very touching stories.
I wasn’t expecting to be moved to tears by this... I enjoy these historical investigations but this team are so incredibly talented to bring such humanity and turn ‘old bones’ back into real people, families, and saddest of all that this kind of hate crime still goes on in such numbers in so many parts of the world. Fantastic series, I hope they bring it back again
I’m so so glad they investigated. First to discover the bodies and then be haunted by curiosity and worry, thank goodness for those scientists who helped reveal the truth. How tragic and sad to think that racism and hatred has been around so long. It’s an excellent reminder to never forget our past and to always work towards a future of tolerance and acceptance. Thank you for offering this closure and understanding. Thank you for speaking for this family. Those children and adults needed people to hear their story.
You're not seriously suggesting that persecution on the basis of race /religion is some sort of new idea are you ? Sadly I think we all know better than that.
I love the bit with all the experts involved came back to find out the truth. And how moved they all were. To see a group of people care so much about people who lived hundreds of years ago, kinda restores my faith in humanity. Brilliant program.
There's just no tactful way to point out a messed-up but striking coincidence between a tragically sober documentary like this and a shock-comedy movie like 'Borat,' but here goes. --The song he sang in it? Um.....'Throw the Jew Down the Well'. So......did he make up a fictional racist anthem that just happened to be a real event hundreds of years old but not revealed until 5 years after his movie? Or was the practice of throwing Jews into wells already a documented, somewhat widespread atrocity that (somehow) this investigation team was unaware of? They did mention that Jews were accused of poisoning wells, so maybe that was the punishment some villages carried out? BTW Sacha Baron Cohen is a Cambridge-educated Jew who focused on Jewish history before acting and screenwriting, so if Jewish well murders were not just this isolated case, he would probably know about it. It's hard to imagine wanting to push comedy so far as to joke about something this horrific, but his craft is often about mocking evil and a lot of people have a hard time seeing it that way.
Yes very interesting. Also the well was dry. But also even though there could be history written in books, there is also word of mouth in families of things that happened in the past.
Nothing disrespectful in your request at all, and like others here definitely one for question! Truth be told, Historians knew of the prejudice against Jews before this episode. It's a long ... long history, really. And it is highly likely that reference had been made in other places over the years about events such as this. Considering Sacha's education, it is highly possible he'd seen the reference and used it. While not a huge fan of shock comics of his sort, you have to admit they are incredibly intelligent when you stop and actually pay attention to what they're saying!
@@trenae77 Definitely, and I personally think his comedy is smart AND hilarious. My cousin and I went to see Bruno in a packed theater, and we were scream-laughing so much, we missed some of the funny things and had to see it again. There were people walking out because they were so offended, and that just made it even funnier to us. Not to say comedy never offends me; there are some comics who "punch down" so they just come off as bullies (and usually not very funny, on comedic merit itself--I can overlook how "mean" something is if it's actually clever and original). Cohen's comedy is sheer perfection to me--he punches UP against the powerful, and brilliantly so.
Brought tears to my eyes. For the people in the well and the reaction of the people working to find the true story. Compassion runs deep here and I admire them!
This is, so, so fascinating and made me sorrowful all at the same time... Hopefully, we can learn from these lessons and love ALL our BROTHERS and SISTERS... PEACE to ALL ! ❤
"I am shocked" "it's shocking", "It's a bit of a surprise", "It's a shocking revelation for everyone involved.", "It changes the story of what we know about this community". TRANSLATION: We have ignored our own well known history to the point of denial and now we are forced momentarily to face a TINY example. My own Great grandfather and great Aunt were murdered in a pogrom. Most of my European family was murdered and burned or buried in pits. 1141-Oxford. 1144- Norwich. 1168- Glouscester. 1189-London. 1190- Norwich...AGAIN. 1190-St Edmunds. 1190-York 500 dead. 1200-Lincoln. Just what exactly are these people shocked by? I am showing only a 60 year PARTIAL history of England here. Terrible-yes, but should they be shocked? Not if they know ANYTHING about English history. This was a great episode. Maybe people will pull their head out of the sand and have an honest look at how they have TYPICALLY behaved towards others.
You talk a lot about those who ignore history but you also seem to be ignoring why these things happened in the first place. England wasn't the only place to expell them was it. In fact everywhere they went we hear the same stories. We're they all lying... all of them, just mere lies. Seems to me that it was a very angered reaction to something. We all know why ppl did these things and what they believed. You are glossing over that aren't you.
@@mrdarren1045 I am not Jewish, Half German /Half English, If that is the case explain the St Brice day Massacre in Saxon England. The Problem with this country is we can never admit to our own shortcomings and inhumanity to others, and the Jews don't help either with this constant hype of the Holocaust, when the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza and else were leaves a lot to be desired. No one country can claim innocence in this area. This "Card playing Culture " needs to stop.
@@jackreacher5667 and what about what the Danes had been doing to England for generations? Some things are just pay back aren't they. And we all know why a 'certain group' of ppl... an imposter ppl as it happens were expelled from almost every country they ever settled and in every case they were expelled for the same reason. But would I dare stand accused of libel?!
Expelled like bad mayo. But they’re the victims. Always the victims. And made sure that’s mentioned in every history book. Must be nice to be the king of the victims. @@mrdarren1045
This will continue to happen as long as there are people on this planet. It'll always be someone for their religious beliefs, skin color. gender, way of living, the way they dress, their culture etc ........... Any group that is different from another or is considered not worthy to exist. A sad situation.
Annabella dragonlady That's extremely simple minded. There is no way to stop it. The best solution is to teach basic morals of tolerance, humility, virtuousness, and respect etc. and keep the perps out of society and put the needs of society above that f the criminals.
This is equally fascinating as it is heartbreaking. History is often so painful and eye opening, We should always learn from our past and avoid our mistakes.
There not our mistakes, we didn't commit them ! It's the People of the Past who COMMITED these TRAGEDIES! However I feel the FUTURE IS JUST AS HATEFUL ,AND HORRIBLE AS THE PAST, AND THE EARTH WILL ONCE AGAIN SEE EVIL UNLEASHED UPON IT'S LANDS, AND BLOODSHED !🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘
@@stardustgirl2904 yes. But question isȘ would we blame it on the jews again? Just look how they are blamed about Palestine by the mainstream media. Yes, some of them are very-very rich..But we shoul just pay attention where the petrol is coming from..and who control the price of petrol..who gets the billions..who actualy control the price of our bread. Is it those few maybe hundreds of jews??? Or maybe is the petrol countries? !!!..Let„s us hope the future will not be just a repetition of past. Be safe !
I knew how this story was going to end before they even started their investigation... it’s the age old story for our people. Anti Semitism runs deep. And that drawing is incredibly anti Semitic!
@@starrchild7061 I was a Cromwell fan until her characters' behavior became so bizarre and the plots so arcane that I gave up on her. I wish she'd go back to the simplicity of her early novels. I've read a couple of Reich's books but I don't care for her writing style. (Yes, I'm very picky when it comes to "my" authors.)
@@jeanettewaverly2590 could you recommend any good authors of this genre that I might enjoy? I also find the subject of forensic anthropology really fascinating and I think the best authors on the subject are always the ones who are experts in the field
Why are we so morbidly attracted to these things? I am fascinated by the facial reconstruction which, as Prof Black says here, defines them as people raether than just skeletons.
i agree with you Jeanette Waverly........but i feel sad about the violence against Jews......but if you see the main part of the Old Testament in our Christian Bible actually shares the same things of the Jewish Religion.....and so is Islam.......i have a family friend who actually did research on all religious books.......and i also think that if you google on the first Monotheistic religion in the west (as in apart from Indian religions of Buddhism and Jainism), i think that the Jewish religion could be one of the few religions that believed in only "One God"........
Incredible, that an old cemetery still rests right next to a modern mall, and the headstones remained unmolested and unvandalized. Absolutely amazing, in Great Britain, there's history everywhere.
Not only in Great Britain. They found recently a skeleton about only 1 meter deep under the walking pathstones in front of the cathedral in vienna, the Stefansdoom. Hundrets of poeple were steping on this skeleton day after day for hundrets of years.
Not Really. Julius Caesar visited so that's to millennium of. Burials. So If A Wells became poisonous.... They blamed the Semites, Ergo, They may have put them down the well for that reason. Remember Jesus went to the Jewish temple and overturn the tables of the money lenders....Remember the Bible: A lot of those stories R true.
@@isabellaaragon144 questions you were told that the closer they were to the physical Church the last time they might have to spend in purgatory.... The church charged extra to be buried in the church yard... Ergo someone very Christian and poor, Could Come back at night & Bury someone underneath the stone walkway.... And get away with it. Remember that person's now in Heaven!
Utterly fascinating. I know Norwich quite well, and its place in history but I wasn't aware of the Jewish persecution there. Thank you for a wonderful, if deeply sad, insight into their lives.
Because it wasn’t worth talking about and nobody cares or even probably knew. Persecution happened everywhere. Not just to Jews, I’m sure you could find some Irish there too.
They won't. They will end up in a cardboard box in some storage room. Just like so many other skeletons of earlier time periods. If you think about it, I don't think there are that many dead people of the past that are still resting in peace. Many of them got dig up, fondled around, bones cut open and not even burried again. Just stored in some random storebox...
I am sure the Jewish community in Norwich will be provided or will collect funds to give a proper burial according to the Jewish tradition. The Burial rights are very simple, and uncomplicated and since these are bones now there will be no sense of urgency.
I wish there were more of these episodes, I love them so much! We should all start a petition to the producers lol (haha, imagine that). I just wish they'd bring it back.
Incredible, that an old cemetery still rests right next to a modern mall, and the headstones remained unmolested and unvandalized. Absolutely amazing, in Great Britain, there's history everywhere.
@@LTPottenger they're the bri-ish. That's why I regard myself as English. English is an ethnicity not just a quirk of where you happened to be born. The real inheritors of this land are those whose ancestors built it in the first place. Not the ones who moved in after all the hard work, and the blood, sweat and tears were shed. We all know that and deep down so do they.
Such an interesting documentary. Thank you for highlighting this case of people who appear to have been victims of antisemitism. I Really hope they were finally able to get the dignified burial that they deserved. Rest in Peace
Is there any way that the names of the people could possibly be identified as there may have been only a small Ashkenazi Jewish community in the area. There was a list found of the names and professions of the people living in the area around that time written on the sheepskin document as portrayed in the documentary. One way to possibly figure out who the people in the well may have be is to check the names in the local death records or check the names listed on the local tombstones in cemeteries especially in the Jewish cemetery (if there was a Jewish cemetery in the area) where it is believed the victims were from who were buried around the time of their deaths. A comparison could be made with the names of all of the people found on the list of people living in the area as written on the sheepskin document. Once the investigators narrow down and determine who was not properly buried with tombstone / grave markings possibly they can identify a few possible names of who the victims may have actually been. It may be worth a try if the Ashkenazi Jewish community or local historians would like to solve the cold case mystery of many centuries ago. In addition, could the DNA information found be shared with various DNA/ Human Genome Project groups such as 23 and Me and Ancestry etc. Possibly living descendants of those people could be identified and they could be informed of their family history. Possibly they could identify the names of the victims based on oral or written family history.
@@jbrobertson6052 What sense does your comment make? The sins of a few are vested on their contemporaries? With that logic does that mean all modern day Germans should die for the sins of the Nazis? Or aristocracy descendants should die because of their treatment of the Huguenots or that all policemen should suffer for the sins of their despicable counterparts whose actions cause the death of their victims? Throwing out all religions due to “X” subset of evil is inhumane and intellectually bankrupt.
Love the history but not how it turned out. I feel so sad for those people and i do hope they were dead before they ended up in the well. Great work from all the involved in trying to solve these case.
I'm curious about a!l the cat skeletons they found with the bodies also. Also wondering if the were thrown in the well simply because it was winter, well was dry, and a convenient place they then wouldn't have to dig.
What an excellent production. Thank you to every member of the team for telling a little known aspect of British history, and, finally, lending some dignity to the deaths of the people whose bones were found in the well.
"These times" are still with us and they will always be with us. They did not suddenly "start "and they are not suddenly going to "end". Alas human beings have always and will always have the capacity for cruelty.
This is nauseating. Let’s remember that this didn’t just start. Cave men were killing each other. You going to chastise their ancestors with platitudes?
This was really interesting. It was also a very affecting story. At least these people know the truth and have an opportunity to process it all. That's important.
Nobody has to process this. They’re not guilty of anything. This trend of forcing Jewish guilt on people is really pathetic. I don’t care. Not my guilt. Not my shame.
Recently, there's been some debate as to whether or not wearing gloves while handling old parchment actually helps keep it intact. Gloves, especially if they're made from cotton, are abrasive and can collect dust and dirt which can potentially hasten degradation.
I don't think that's likely unless the murderers were purposely aiming to be cruel. Granted, they burned people alive back then, but with at least the supposed belief that it might cleanse a cursed soul, and I've never heard of children being burned alive. Put it this way, if they did want to be so cruel as to force 17 people to die slowly in a heap at the bottom of a well, they would have had to want it MORE than getting rid of these people easily, because they would have struggled wildly and well holes were small.
The very thought of having been a mother or father incapacitated but alive to experience the terror and horror of accompanying so many children in their transition from life to death still takes my breath away!
It constantly amazes me on how Christians conveniently forget that their Messiah, Jesus Christ, also known as Yoshua, was never a Christian. The man was a JEWISH teacher, prophet and rebel. Yet they constantly persecute and execute HIS people.
@@rosamariamendoza1466 That is the first time anyone answered me with an answer I found. I also found that, yes the rabbis ordered his death; but was reluctant to carry it out, so they asked the Roman governor to do it for them. The Romans followed the Old Religion too and at first refused it until the rabbis threatened civil unrest. Isn't it amazing how fast one can become HYPOCRITICAL! LOL
@@kennethlagrow7448 Actually it was Pontius Pilate, Roman Govenor of Judaea, that was reluctant to kill Jesus. He saw no reason to kill Jesus and the arguments put forth by Rabbi Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin were weak. The only argument that finally worked was when Caiaphas asked Pilate what would happen to Pilate's career as Govenor if his refusal to kill Jesus resulted in a Jewish uprising? You have to remember that Rome didn't care about Jews and their problems so therefore couldn't have cared less that a Jew was going around telling everyone that he was 'King of the Jews' and the 'Son of God'. Pilate thought it was ridiculous and beneath him and wanted no part in what he considered nothing more than a Jewish philosophical disagreement. To Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin this was far more than a simple difference of opinion. Jesus was a very real threat to Caiaphas and the position he held as Rabbi and head of the Sanhedrin. Caiaphas was not pleased that Jesus was openly condemning both Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin for their excessive lifestyle and autocratic rule over all Jews. Another thing to consider is the fact that the Jewish clergy rejected Jesus and His claims because He was seen as nothing more than a peasant and the Jewish Messiah would never come and live among us as a pauper. The Jewish believe their Messiah will have certain attributes that will allow them to know for sure when He arrives. Jesus, to put it plainly, did not live up to their expectations and was consequently rejected. Jesus was very specific about why he detested Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin and had many an open argument with Caiaphas about what Jesus saw as abuse of power and elitism. One thing to remember though is that Jesus had to die, this is the very heart of the Christian religion, so if it wasn't Caiaphas/Sanhedrin it would have been some one else who sought and won Jesus' death.
@@DLRS222 Yes, I agree with all you said, but Christian's conveniently forget Yoshua was NEVER a Christian, and always portrays him as a White CAUCASIAN Male with a brown beard and long brown hair. They also forget that their bible is taken from Hebrew writings and claim it as their own. There is NOTHING inherently ORIGINAL in their religion, it is BORROWED from the Hebrew or the OLD RELIGION, which I follow.
What a strange place to put up a shopping mall. Too bad they don't check the ground before building something on top. Also a shame that so many bodies moved out of their burials sights that were buried "properly". The people in the well definitely needed to be buried though.
They DID check the ground before they built the mall -that is how the well and the bodies in it were discovered in the first place, when they did an archeological dig in between demolishing the old factory on that site and building the shopping mall. This is done in most cities.
@@julierobinson3633 You're absolutely right. Besides which, by that logic the whole of Britain should be preserved as an historical site by this time, except, oh yes, people are STILL LIVING there. We cannot preserve everything. We can only do our best.
It breaks my heart to know the truth, but its also nice to know we can reflect now we can change, we all can learn from our past generations mistakes .
Unfortunately, the history that's being taught, teaches almost nothing of the horrific things that's happened in the past. And we are headed in that direction again. Theres genocide going on right now. And it's being ignored. I think every detail of the horrors of the past should be taught & shown to every kid in school. Kids are the future. And if they know nothing of the past, they can make the same mistakes all over again.
No. No we can’t. You think we’re just going to change? Only thing that’s going to change is the Jew grift is over. Nobody should ever feel bad for them again.
I find the idea of Jewish persecution to be considered here to be quite a reasonable line of pursuit. There are many documented incidents of massive persecution of Jewish persons at many points in Britain's history. In readings of various regents that specifically document this. It was often attributed to the understanding that money lending (basically a form of banking institutions) were operated by them. 'Loans' per se were not actually an available option to people and members of higher levels of society, when in need of funds, took advantage of these opportunities. They had lands and lifestyles but these required funds. Without inheriting or having royal grants didnt have many options. Money lending was seen to be base and thus the Jewish not viewing that as a class problem. They had funds, they were often the first to be targeted for so many things. Their monies and possessions were of course defaulted to the crown. Quite lucrative when coffers were felt to be in need.
When is humanity going to wake up and see how we've become, generations after generations of everything that is negative and destructive. Man made religion is the evil of this world and hides it's evil deeds behind our amazing Creator's name. And to those who are going to slam me please don't waste your time as I walk in light and have spiritually awoken not religiously awoken..big big difference. Love and light to our sick world and humanity. 💖 Great, fascinating stories.
Religion is and always was a construct of man to bend others their will, brainwashing is the word. The creator doesn't need middlemen, my spirituality is direct
So you didn't learn at school that jews were deeply hated all over Europe? I thought everybody would know that...- No, it was not only Germany with its 20th century Holocaust.
@@isabellaaragon144 But no one ever wants to ask WHY they were hated. All we hear is "antisemitism, antisemitism, antisemitism!!!!" It's always "Jews were persecuted". The question NEVER asked is WHY throughout history, from biblical to historical sources, they were persecuted. THAT is the question that is forbidden to ask.
This is not the the first time I’ve watched this episode, and as an ashkenazi Jew with relatives lost to the holocaust, this episode had me in tears.
Why does the Talmud show such hate towards Jesus Christ?
Yes, I am not a Jew, I am a Christian, but antisemitism makes me feel physically sick..Jesus was both a Christian and a Jew..the two are not incompatible at all..dark times like the Holocaust must NEVER be repeated..Lest We Forget..my love and blessings to yourself and your family 😢
Funny that, because when I read about the harrying of the north, the battle of Towton, Watt Tyler on the gibbet after the peasants revolt, the people who died in the fire of London, the battle of the Somme (where my grandfather who I knew was shot) or the Normandy landings that my father was involved in, I don't feel the same sorrow. Funny that, perhaps we accept our lot in life and understand life is a struggle, sometimes defeats, sometimes victories.
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What you on about ?
This is so sad. The more I learn about humanity, the more disappointed I feel about our race. I wish I could say we are more evolved, but in 2024 with worldwide conflicts, I understand that many have not.
I sincerely hope that at some point, all bone fragments and remains were allowed to be buried respectfully with a most solemn and high Jewish funeral service. Rest now, poor souls, and at last be at peace. You did not die unknown. We remember you.
They were reburied in a Jewish ceremony in Norwich.
@@samw8452 Thank you. I'm SO glad to hear that.
@@samw8452 hope a memorial is in that Mall at the spot of the well letting modern public know they stand/shop on a spot where ethnic cleansing took place. The victims of greed/jealousy n religious hatred
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Many years ago, a party of people went on a mystery tour day out. On arrival at their mystery destination the tour guide gave a little talk, she asked the visitors to be considerate and polite to the locals they may meet, many of whom would have webbed hands and feet, and take extra care when taking photo's, as the indigenous population believed that a photo of themselves taken by a stranger, stole away their very soul. The guide then said, please be back to the rendezvous at the coach by 5 :15 pm , for the journey home, but do have nice day out and enjoy Norwich . On a serious note, my late wife and I , after moving to Norfolk often went to Norwich, and I do actually remember this tent being outside the Britain center, but had no idea of the reason, as nothing was publicly declared at the time.
This is an important story to be told and I’m glad it was done with such respect and gentleness.
Sue blacks a remarkable character, so much to admire. Great to see a badass group of women owning it like these three.
So sad and tragic. Forensic science and dedication will continue to open up so many historical mysteries. Great work!
I wish I could turn back time and become young again so I could have learned forensics and became a forensic analyst. Now I’m too old to even memorise simple tasks. 😔
You and me both...i sure missed my calling. Chemistry came so naturally to me but i didnt have the discipline to pursue it
Same here..Didn't even know this was a possibility when I was a youngster..
why not look into the "world" of Massive Open Online Courses, I've done several in different subjects via Future Learn, they're free!
What an interesting and informative programme! More please!
There’s an unbelievable about of violence & death perpetrated in the name of religion, historically and presently. Tragic.
There needs to be another season of this show. So engrossing.
@@Arhimith yes. Another commentator said they were laid to rest in a Jewish cemetery.
Wish this program was still running first season awesome, this 1 im rewatching again hoping in time more seasons follow 😮❤
So many people in the comments seem to have missed the part about the well likely being dry when the people were put in it.
I wouldnt expect they would have used a working well for this. Clean water was too valuable...as horrific as that sounds
I'm from Norwich watching this about 5 mins from the sight it's strange to know exactly what happened on a "unsolved case" before this started
Lily W can you share the true story
@@recommendedmusic I guess not. What a tease!!
The forensic anthologist only identified the ethnic background of 5 of the bodies. The rest he said were fairly common European DNA. 5 of the identified are believed to have come from the same family. Yet the majority of children in the well were of "generic European DNA" and not related. It is said that the family was thrown into the well at the same time; but what about the non-related children? This documentary didn't make it very clear as to when they went into the well.
And.... there were known formal cemeteries of both populations in the area. So we know the circumstances of being "buried" in this well were specific to the individuals who were found in the well.
Am wondering who besides myself has a.... hypothesis based on a certain understanding of history? (Thus why Lily W didn't answer the inquiries.)
Soz didn’t know people actually asked me what happened after??? Watching the show that says what happened? we threw some Jewish people down a well because we were arseholes it’s in the documentary I just already knew this before watching it, we also had a little revolt against the church and are the only city in England excommunicated by the pope because of it if u want more random history about Norwich pls just google it:)
@@NNaadah please explain your hypothesis
As the traditional Jewish saying goes, may their memory be a blessing! The sentiment behind "rest in peace" is admirable, but Jewish people prefer the former saying.
elsa1942 .....as a Jew, that is certainly true
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Ари Фёдорович ditto!
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And now they are, once more, in people's memories, and are no longer hated for being who and what they were.
It wasn't forced suicide because the children were on top which obviously means they went in last. I don't think a child could do that. The parents would had to throw them in and jump in after them.
They weren't committing suicide by well. There weren't kids chucking their parents in and jumping down on top of them. The family may have committed suicide, and then their bodies were tossed down the well by the townspeople.
The kids went in last, they didn't have the blunt force trauma of the adults hitting the ground.
The suggestion is that one member of the family slaughtered the others and put them down the well, then obviously there wouldn't be anyone left to put that person in the well - wonder what happened to that person? My personal feeling is that it probably wasn't a 'mercy' killing committed by a loved-one because the children were killed last - that means they had to watch the rest of the family die, which is horrific.
They would have died somewhere else together, thecwell was where the people who found the bodies dumped them. No Rabbi would throw the bodies down a well. They likely committed suicide with their Rabbi in their own home or hiding place before the mob got to them.
True
May their memories be a blessing
I love Prof Sue! It's a great team!❤
thank you for sucha great video
That is so sad Thankyou for discovering them and resting them at peace 💐💐
I have searched so long for this again I'm so happy, for watching such a travesty again😊
I sure miss this show!! One of my all time favorites!!
I can only say, Wow, I have no other words for it.
Heartbreaking, brought me to tears
This is very interesting thanks for. Sharing this with us
I enjoy this show but I find it hard to believe that all these well-educated professionals were surprised to discover the identities of the persons thrown down the well. Is history taught that badly in secondary school and university? Or did they know, and they were forced to play ignorant all the way through the program for the big reveal at the end? I knew right away what the answer was.
There are some very deep wells in deserted villages in Wales, UK.
There could very well be human' remains in those.
Wow. My ancestors are from Norwich, traced back 1550s. Makes me wonder.... Just started to watch this.
So glad these remains were found and studied. Sad.
Great investigation. But what a horrible story. May they get a proper burial and may they rest in peace.tragic!
But why poison the well with remains of the deceased? This does not make sense.
Maybe the well had dried up..maybe the village was being abandoned.
If they died by having their throats cut by themselves or their father, it doesn’t really make sense that the children would be killed last? Maybe they were not killed last but thrown into the well last? But normally the children would be killed by the family before the adults.
The Baroness Black of Strome, Sue Black, Profesor, Anthropologist, Forensic scientist, anatomist, academic, one of my biggest influences, I started watching the shows at 15, I’m in my second year of archaeology anthropology and criminology, I knew it was my calling in a trip to Scotland, her home country (I’m from Costa Rica, so literally
The other side of the world). I can only hope to be and do even a %1 of what she is to me.
I wish the redhead would stop cutting people off
Absolutely what a giant ego she’s got
“The redhead” is the boss and extremely articulate and knowledgeable her brain works faster than the average person.
Does that give her the right to be rude and arrogant
If I had sue’s brain I might have a bit of an ego..
Are there new seasons and episodes or did this series get canceled?
Why did it take this long to uncover these bodies in this well? That mall is new, and that well is old, or I imagine it's old.
Did you watch this or are you just a plank?
Edward the First (also called Long Shanks) was responsible for ordering the mass murder of Jewish people in England and was awarded the title "defender of the faith" which still appears on English coins. The Queen of England still holds this title and her extended family particularly her uncle the former king were closely involved with the Nazis. A family tradition it seems.
It was Henry the eighth who was given the title defender of the faith, by the pope, for a book he wrote, about the Lutherans.
I am so sick of everyone’s opinions medical people who want their moment in the limelight, leave the Royal family alone, we love them, value their role and are grateful for their efforts,remember there are children involved in this.
So very interesting. I wonder if it would be possible to search for modern day family connections using the DNA???
That really would be fascinating...?
That's a very good idea with the increasing popularity of genetic testing. Crimes are being solved through familial DNA matches. People are finding family they never knew they had. At the very least it would be neat to release their genetic profile to the public and see if anyone gets a hit. An awful longshot, especially the longer time has passed, but one that could aid in their investigations and help humanize the victims.
Sadly, this channel is just re-releasing TV documentaries and this series seems not to have lasted. I'd love to see a new season or similar show do that though.
Basic genetic theory tells us that someone who lived in the 12th century and who had descendants would in fact be the ancestor of a large percentage of people in Europe, especially (obviously in this case) the British Isles. That's because if you go back just a little further another 100-150 years then pretty much anyone in Europe who had descendants MUST be your ancestor if you have any sort of European genetic background. This is because their offspring have spread out so much and bred with other people's offspring generation after generation by a certain point in time everyone is their descendent. So, for example, anyone of European background is a descendent of Charlemagne or Alfred the Great. And, as you go back further the basic geographic are from which your ancestors came grows larger which is why unless you have a genetic background that is solidly from the New World or some remote area of the old you are a descendent of, say, Rameses the Great or Cleopatra and Marc Antony.
The point is that there is no family whose descendants you could track in this case - assuming they had any immediate descendants that lived by now ANYONE with a background from the British Isles is doubtlessly their descendent and quite likely from much further beyond as well. Mind you, that doesn't mean you necessarily have any of their DNA as over the generations it might very well have been superseded by that of some other source. Likewise, even if you had some DNA sequences in common with them it is almost assured you didn't get it from them in particular (and it would be nigh impossible to prove even if you did).
Think of it this way - if you fit the criteria above this is sadly a story of how some of your ancestors were brutally murdered thanks to blind bigotry. :-(
@Mona Jones Well, clearly other people were believing you were serious so maybe they will appreciate my information.
Ranillon well. That explains the very small percentage of Jewish DNA showing up in all the DNA profiles on my fathers side, they are all from the UK
I must have missed it -- how deep was the well?
I am pleased that the group investigating are effected emotionally. And I hope that their is shame that their is so much racial and religious hate in the world
Did the people of Norwich participate in the Europe wide Jewish persecution?
Well, it was Europe wide and had happened in other parts of England.
In this case, it's an obvious 'yes'.
Horrific reality of History
the well went dry, the villagers claimed the Jews used witchcraft on it, and threw their cat familiars in along with them.
"Opening wounds that people now have to address" is a realistic view. It's important to also realize that, until those wounds are addressed, healing would be difficult to impossible. By opening up the wounds, re-fracturing the bone as it were, you are permitting true healing to occur. Yes, it's painful, and likely that healing will be irregular &/or incomplete, but at least now they're working with a more complete picture. Heartbreaking, though necessary. Thank you for all the work that you do!
The people living in Norwich today may be descendants of the people living there at the time of the murders ... or not. Even if they are they're centuries removed from the event. However, I do think the conclusion is inescapable that these people died as the result of mob violence against Jews, and then thrown down a dry well. The disrespect shown to the bodies of the victims is a dead giveaway. Also telling that nobody from the Jewish community at the time recovered the bodies to give them a proper burial. Surely such an infamous act resulting in the deaths of an entire family comprising nearly 10% of Norwich's Jewish population would have been well known among them.
Communities built on lies do not survive. History is what it is, you can learn from it.
For me, this is one of the saddest episodes I've watched so far. Such a tragic end for these poor people. I can't even begin to imagine the amount of persecution & sadness they had to deal with at the hands of other people. Especially in the end. Very, very sad 😢
That's true but they did get a proper burial in the end.
Thank you and your colleagues for being there for us
it's the kids for me. the fear they must have felt. so awful. :(
Sadly persecution of people still continues.😢
WOW... its my day off (work 13 hr shifts as a hospital nurse) tired of normal tv and news. I enjoy TH-cam as an alternative. This video looked interesting.. so I watched it. Before I knew it I was writing notes to research things like Balkan War Crimes,1190-1290ngland history... etc. 3/4 way through, I was in aww at what they found. Thank you ladies (and DNA guy). You are awesome.
13 hour shift RN here also… I love these stories too :). Hang in there sister 💕
Lol answers make more questions if you have a curious mind LOL been there. My search histories would confuse normal people but I am pretty naormal. I um ... think
An expert in medieval health care. Wow! It just amazes me the careers I never even knew existed and what people decide specialize in.
Isn't that amazing? Imagine the jobs today that were not possible 10 years ago! UX designer? Compositor? I mean, it's not like kids grow up dreaming of a career of...determining climate conditions in ancient logs. And the correlations made and conclusions that can be drawn. It is truly incredible thinking of the multitudes of disciplines and occupations that make the world go! lol
@636lover1 Schools are so focused on students passing the tests the government has decided they should that there’s little room for innovation. So true about interests changing. I also hated history in school, thought it a waste of time. A few years ago, also like you, I started watching myriad history videos, soaking in this fascinating subject.
One can be an expert in more than one thing.
Academia is full of people in very niche expertise
Wow. That was a very moving video. I'm glad they got a proper burial in the end.
It's incredible to be able to learn about and grieve these people nearly 1000 years after their deaths.
These can't be the only mass graves. I imagine there are many that haven't been discovered.
Just the only one in a well.
As sad as this is, the current inhabitants of the town have nothing to do with what happened centuries ago by their ancestors. Very moving how they care for these people though.
This was so sad, to find out that this was like an ethnic cleansing. It brings to mind all the persecution that the Jewish people have endured over thousands of years. I hear the echoes from history. This must never happen again... never again.
It was an ethnic cleansing and sadly this is still going on. Only the groups involved change (Jews,Muslims Christians African-Americans and on and on depending where and when the "cleansing " takes place.
you say they have been persecuted for thousands of years. So what about them persecuting Jesus? that is the top reason it happens/happened and if christians had played a part in the take down off another religions main "saviour" or "messiah" then christians would also be persecuted and heck they are today anyway with all this woke delusional unscientific nonsense.
Not just jewish people. African Americans, Romani Gypsies. Oh and now Palestinians
Probably my favourite episode.of History Cold Case.
It was such a powerful and emotional moment when she said "these are still skeletons, but these are now people."
They have put a human face on the past and it's left us with an uncomfortable feeling that we must embrace if we're to accept our past for what it is.
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And if it's all a lie
B brick arched bridge
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Why would it be a lie?
This is my favourite episode too it's so interesting!
Very heart breaking no matter in what manner they died and for what reason. Sad, so sad. I do find it very fascinating though how through modern science, we are able to solve so many of history's mysteries. I wonder if they might take those MtDNA samples and cross match them to available DNA samples through out the world and see if there are matches of descendants. Would be very interesting.
I was thinking the same thing. If they were my ancestors, I would want to know and show respect to them.
Interesting, but incredibly sad. It was nice to see the sympathy of the people at the end. Because even though this happened centuries ago.....there’s still an ache for these people.
WHY is there the sympathy for THESE people ? What about all the other millions massacred over the centuries and also today ??
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The video is about THESE people. It doesn't exclude empathy for anyone else, it's just sticking to what is relevant!
Evy Courtney give it a break with your whataboutism, take a breath and calm down
@ Evy courtney, if you cannot feel pain of this small group of people, then you are not able to care about hundreds of thousands you are talking. Your comment is a hypocrite talk.
@@victoriak8536 Oh Gosh, so well said.
The woman with red hair has brains, compassion and professional experience. I can see that this really comes to play in a situation like this.
Professor Sue Black. She is an amazing person who has worked in Sariavo and Kosovo getting justice for the thousands murdered during those conflicts. I'm pretty sure she earned a damehood for all her hard work. She has written a few books and gives lectures and interviews that can be found on TH-cam.
She has seen things we can't even imagine in our nightmares. I hope she is able to deal with it and still remain humane. It would make the most jaded of us cynical and bitter.
Gotta have someone wit brains cant run an operation off looks alone!
@@freddie488 she also finds peadophiles by looking at photographs and identifies marks scars moles and birthmarks on their hands
@@freddie488 woooah what a woman!!
No matter how long ago, it's heart breaking.
I've walked over the site of the well many times. Everytime i always wonder what really happened that night. considering its probably the biggest mystery in Norwich's history, its almost universally unknown in Norfolk. Certainly, noone i've spoken to about it has ever heard of it, and nothing was made of it when the remains were found.
Professor Black is an incredibly caring intelligent lady, her compassion and love of her job is second to none.
Love this site.
She has written some interesting and entertaining books about her work. Very readable with some hilarious moments alongside some very touching stories.
Shes amazing is prof dame sue black i love her and could listen to her knowledge for hours
I wasn’t expecting to be moved to tears by this... I enjoy these historical investigations but this team are so incredibly talented to bring such humanity and turn ‘old bones’ back into real people, families, and saddest of all that this kind of hate crime still goes on in such numbers in so many parts of the world. Fantastic series, I hope they bring it back again
It is brilliant. I am betting that there are plenty of historical burials they could investigate.
OH PLEASE ! HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW A RIVAL JEW FAMILY DID NOT DO THIS - TO GAIN POWER AND MORE MONEY!
I’m so so glad they investigated. First to discover the bodies and then be haunted by curiosity and worry, thank goodness for those scientists who helped reveal the truth. How tragic and sad to think that racism and hatred has been around so long. It’s an excellent reminder to never forget our past and to always work towards a future of tolerance and acceptance.
Thank you for offering this closure and understanding. Thank you for speaking for this family. Those children and adults needed people to hear their story.
You're not seriously suggesting that persecution on the basis of race /religion is some sort of new idea are you ? Sadly I think we all know better than that.
@@elizabethsohler6516 she said it’s sad to think about not that it’s not known.. ✨🤷🏻♀️✨
Xenophobia is actually a very normal behaviour. It is up to us to restrain those feelings.
I love the bit with all the experts involved came back to find out the truth. And how moved they all were. To see a group of people care so much about people who lived hundreds of years ago, kinda restores my faith in humanity. Brilliant program.
It’s nice to know that these people exist in the wake of today’s chaos, no?! It’s really inspiring to see someone handle themselves with true class.
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There's just no tactful way to point out a messed-up but striking coincidence between a tragically sober documentary like this and a shock-comedy movie like 'Borat,' but here goes. --The song he sang in it? Um.....'Throw the Jew Down the Well'. So......did he make up a fictional racist anthem that just happened to be a real event hundreds of years old but not revealed until 5 years after his movie? Or was the practice of throwing Jews into wells already a documented, somewhat widespread atrocity that (somehow) this investigation team was unaware of? They did mention that Jews were accused of poisoning wells, so maybe that was the punishment some villages carried out? BTW Sacha Baron Cohen is a Cambridge-educated Jew who focused on Jewish history before acting and screenwriting, so if Jewish well murders were not just this isolated case, he would probably know about it. It's hard to imagine wanting to push comedy so far as to joke about something this horrific, but his craft is often about mocking evil and a lot of people have a hard time seeing it that way.
This comment deserves more attention. Very interesting connection.
Yes very interesting. Also the well was dry. But also even though there could be history written in books, there is also word of mouth in families of things that happened in the past.
Nothing disrespectful in your request at all, and like others here definitely one for question! Truth be told, Historians knew of the prejudice against Jews before this episode. It's a long ... long history, really. And it is highly likely that reference had been made in other places over the years about events such as this. Considering Sacha's education, it is highly possible he'd seen the reference and used it. While not a huge fan of shock comics of his sort, you have to admit they are incredibly intelligent when you stop and actually pay attention to what they're saying!
@@trenae77 Definitely, and I personally think his comedy is smart AND hilarious. My cousin and I went to see Bruno in a packed theater, and we were scream-laughing so much, we missed some of the funny things and had to see it again. There were people walking out because they were so offended, and that just made it even funnier to us. Not to say comedy never offends me; there are some comics who "punch down" so they just come off as bullies (and usually not very funny, on comedic merit itself--I can overlook how "mean" something is if it's actually clever and original). Cohen's comedy is sheer perfection to me--he punches UP against the powerful, and brilliantly so.
Very well said.
Brought tears to my eyes. For the people in the well and the reaction of the people working to find the true story. Compassion runs deep here and I admire them!
Some historians are truly the most compassionate and caring people. Not all but a lot truly just wonder and care bout these random people they find.
So earlobes is the key. I’m not Jewish and I do it have detached earlobes.
This is, so, so fascinating and made me sorrowful all at the same time... Hopefully, we can learn from these lessons and love ALL our BROTHERS and SISTERS... PEACE to ALL ! ❤
No. We can’t. We won’t. Not when one very specific group demands that the rules apply to everyone but them.
"I am shocked" "it's shocking", "It's a bit of a surprise", "It's a shocking revelation for everyone involved.", "It changes the story of what we know about this community".
TRANSLATION: We have ignored our own well known history to the point of denial and now we are forced momentarily to face a TINY example. My own Great grandfather and great Aunt were murdered in a pogrom. Most of my European family was murdered and burned or buried in pits.
1141-Oxford. 1144- Norwich. 1168- Glouscester. 1189-London. 1190- Norwich...AGAIN. 1190-St Edmunds. 1190-York 500 dead. 1200-Lincoln.
Just what exactly are these people shocked by? I am showing only a 60 year PARTIAL history of England here. Terrible-yes, but should they be shocked? Not if they know ANYTHING about English history.
This was a great episode. Maybe people will pull their head out of the sand and have an honest look at how they have TYPICALLY behaved towards others.
You talk a lot about those who ignore history but you also seem to be ignoring why these things happened in the first place. England wasn't the only place to expell them was it. In fact everywhere they went we hear the same stories. We're they all lying... all of them, just mere lies. Seems to me that it was a very angered reaction to something. We all know why ppl did these things and what they believed. You are glossing over that aren't you.
@@mrdarren1045 I am not Jewish, Half German /Half English, If that is the case explain the St Brice day Massacre in Saxon England. The Problem with this country is we can never admit to our own shortcomings and inhumanity to others, and the Jews don't help either with this constant hype of the Holocaust, when the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza and else were leaves a lot to be desired.
No one country can claim innocence in this area.
This "Card playing Culture " needs to stop.
@@jackreacher5667 and what about what the Danes had been doing to England for generations? Some things are just pay back aren't they. And we all know why a 'certain group' of ppl... an imposter ppl as it happens were expelled from almost every country they ever settled and in every case they were expelled for the same reason. But would I dare stand accused of libel?!
Kinda like maybe THEY were the cause of all their problems and not the other way around! Funny how so few ever grasp that. @@mrdarren1045
Expelled like bad mayo. But they’re the victims. Always the victims. And made sure that’s mentioned in every history book. Must be nice to be the king of the victims. @@mrdarren1045
This will continue to happen as long as there are people on this planet. It'll always be someone for their religious beliefs, skin color. gender, way of living, the way they dress, their culture etc ........... Any group that is different from another or is considered not worthy to exist. A sad situation.
The only way to avoid this is through education and breaking free of long held beliefs
Annabella dragonlady That's extremely simple minded. There is no way to stop it. The best solution is to teach basic morals of tolerance, humility, virtuousness, and respect etc. and keep the perps out of society and put the needs of society above that f the criminals.
To be honest, there is typically no logic behind the mind of a killer
Now they are opressing unvaccinated. Let us see, how far you go. Just sayin'.
This is equally fascinating as it is heartbreaking. History is often so painful and eye opening, We should always learn from our past and avoid our mistakes.
There not our mistakes, we didn't commit them ! It's the People of the Past who COMMITED these TRAGEDIES! However I feel the FUTURE IS JUST AS HATEFUL ,AND HORRIBLE AS THE PAST, AND THE EARTH WILL ONCE AGAIN SEE EVIL UNLEASHED UPON IT'S LANDS, AND BLOODSHED !🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘🆘
And yet we dont so much of the time
@@stardustgirl2904 yes. But question isȘ would we blame it on the jews again? Just look how they are blamed about Palestine by the mainstream media. Yes, some of them are very-very rich..But we shoul just pay attention where the petrol is coming from..and who control the price of petrol..who gets the billions..who actualy control the price of our bread. Is it those few maybe hundreds of jews??? Or maybe is the petrol countries? !!!..Let„s us hope the future will not be just a repetition of past. Be safe !
I knew how this story was going to end before they even started their investigation... it’s the age old story for our people. Anti Semitism runs deep. And that drawing is incredibly anti Semitic!
Such a brilliant show need to bring it back again 👍👍👍
This stuff is so interesting! I love forensic anthropology.
l think you would really enjoy books by Kathy Reich's or Patricia Cromwell
@@starrchild7061 I was a Cromwell fan until her characters' behavior became so bizarre and the plots so arcane that I gave up on her. I wish she'd go back to the simplicity of her early novels. I've read a couple of Reich's books but I don't care for her writing style. (Yes, I'm very picky when it comes to "my" authors.)
@@jeanettewaverly2590 could you recommend any good authors of this genre that I might enjoy? I also find the subject of forensic anthropology really fascinating and I think the best authors on the subject are always the ones who are experts in the field
Why are we so morbidly attracted to these things? I am fascinated by the facial reconstruction which, as Prof Black says here, defines them as people raether than just skeletons.
i agree with you Jeanette Waverly........but i feel sad about the violence against Jews......but if you see the main part of the Old Testament in our Christian Bible actually shares the same things of the Jewish Religion.....and so is Islam.......i have a family friend who actually did research on all religious books.......and i also think that if you google on the first Monotheistic religion in the west (as in apart from Indian religions of Buddhism and Jainism), i think that the Jewish religion could be one of the few religions that believed in only "One God"........
Incredible, that an old cemetery still rests right next to a modern mall, and the headstones remained unmolested and unvandalized. Absolutely amazing, in Great Britain, there's history everywhere.
Not only in Great Britain. They found recently a skeleton about only 1 meter deep under the walking pathstones in front of the cathedral in vienna, the Stefansdoom. Hundrets of poeple were steping on this skeleton day after day for hundrets of years.
But..... Why build a mall right upon an old cemetery? Why disturb the dead? Couldnt they build it 300m away?! Smh....
Not Really.
Julius Caesar visited so that's to millennium of. Burials.
So If A Wells became poisonous....
They blamed the Semites,
Ergo,
They may have put them down the well for that reason.
Remember Jesus went to the Jewish temple and overturn the tables of the money lenders....Remember the Bible:
A lot of those stories R true.
@@isabellaaragon144
questions you were told that the closer they were to the physical Church the last time they might have to spend in purgatory....
The church charged extra to be buried in the church yard...
Ergo someone very Christian and poor,
Could
Come back at night
&
Bury someone underneath the stone walkway....
And get away with it. Remember that person's now in Heaven!
@@lianoxortaroudia450
The well is from like 700 years ago...
the church and cemetery from like three hundred years ago 400 years ago...
Utterly fascinating. I know Norwich quite well, and its place in history but I wasn't aware of the Jewish persecution there. Thank you for a wonderful, if deeply sad, insight into their lives.
Because it wasn’t worth talking about and nobody cares or even probably knew. Persecution happened everywhere. Not just to Jews, I’m sure you could find some Irish there too.
Most people are unaware of the short history of the Jews of medieval England.
😢 from what they explained, it sounds like jealousy, greedy people would start an attack on people who knew how to make money without hard labor
Very sad. I hope they get decent burial now and hopefully they can finally Rest In Peace.
I don't think anything would help merest in peace if I was thrown head first into a well.
They won't. They will end up in a cardboard box in some storage room. Just like so many other skeletons of earlier time periods. If you think about it, I don't think there are that many dead people of the past that are still resting in peace. Many of them got dig up, fondled around, bones cut open and not even burried again. Just stored in some random storebox...
cardigan coysotium I've watched a few of these and this particular team actually do t-shirt them in cemetaries
I am sure the Jewish community in Norwich will be provided or will collect funds to give a proper burial according to the Jewish tradition. The Burial rights are very simple, and uncomplicated and since these are bones now there will be no sense of urgency.
Why , you dont think they were resting in peace , then ? The bones ? And if cremated or buried again, the BONES will feel more peaceful ? !!!
I wish there were more of these episodes, I love them so much! We should all start a petition to the producers lol (haha, imagine that). I just wish they'd bring it back.
Incredible, that an old cemetery still rests right next to a modern mall, and the headstones remained unmolested and unvandalized. Absolutely amazing, in Great Britain, there's history everywhere.
Not for long the "new british" are destroying everything
You literally copy pasted another persons comment.
@@LTPottenger they're the bri-ish. That's why I regard myself as English. English is an ethnicity not just a quirk of where you happened to be born. The real inheritors of this land are those whose ancestors built it in the first place. Not the ones who moved in after all the hard work, and the blood, sweat and tears were shed. We all know that and deep down so do they.
@@mrdarren1045 It's sad what's happening. The news would cry if it happened in any other country
Such an interesting documentary. Thank you for highlighting this case of people who appear to have been victims of antisemitism. I Really hope they were finally able to get the dignified burial that they deserved. Rest in Peace
Appear to have been. Also antisemitism is a modern invention, so they were not victims of that.
Is there any way that the names of the people could possibly be identified as there may have been only a small Ashkenazi Jewish community in the area. There was a list found of the names and professions of the people living in the area around that time written on the sheepskin document as portrayed in the documentary. One way to possibly figure out who the people in the well may have be is to check the names in the local death records or check the names listed on the local tombstones in cemeteries especially in the Jewish cemetery (if there was a Jewish cemetery in the area) where it is believed the victims were from who were buried around the time of their deaths. A comparison could be made with the names of all of the people found on the list of people living in the area as written on the sheepskin document. Once the investigators narrow down and determine who was not properly buried with tombstone / grave markings possibly they can identify a few possible names of who the victims may have actually been. It may be worth a try if the Ashkenazi Jewish community or local historians would like to solve the cold case mystery of many centuries ago. In addition, could the DNA information found be shared with various DNA/ Human Genome Project groups such as 23 and Me and Ancestry etc. Possibly living descendants of those people could be identified and they could be informed of their family history. Possibly they could identify the names of the victims based on oral or written family history.
Probably not because they probably don’t care. Seriously. Nobody alive today gives a toss.
It's amazing that that archivist doesn't use gloves while handling that scroll. Isn't she concerned about skin oil, etc. getting on it and ruining it?
More research has shown that using gloves does more damage than clean hands
@@PennyWenny224 who'da'thunkit
I thought the same thing.
Also maybe dredging up some new plague.
Ooer
If only humanity would learn from such horrific things...
It's in our nature sadly.
If we get rid of religion we might learn
@@jbrobertson6052
What sense does your comment make? The sins of a few are vested on their contemporaries? With that logic does that mean all modern day Germans should die for the sins of the Nazis? Or aristocracy descendants should die because of their treatment of the Huguenots or that all policemen should suffer for the sins of their despicable counterparts whose actions cause the death of their victims?
Throwing out all religions due to “X” subset of evil is inhumane and intellectually bankrupt.
we will never learn, as a collective we are simply not intelligent enough, things like this will continue to hapen till end of days..
Love the history but not how it turned out. I feel so sad for those people and i do hope they were dead before they ended up in the well. Great work from all the involved in trying to solve these case.
Its amazing how a life gone for years can be seen with todays science technology and much more!!!
I'm curious about a!l the cat skeletons they found with the bodies also. Also wondering if the were thrown in the well simply because it was winter, well was dry, and a convenient place they then wouldn't have to dig.
Or did the cats go down after the smell and were unable to get back up?
Fascinating! Forensics and anthropology... truly intriguing. Inspiring me to go back to college for these two subjects. Great work y'all do.
That’s awesome! I hope you get that degree!
Go for it !!🌷
These shows always make me wish life had been different. Forensic anthropology was always something that fascinated me.
What an excellent production. Thank you to every member of the team for telling a little known aspect of British history, and, finally, lending some dignity to the deaths of the people whose bones were found in the well.
Thank you for sharing. I wish these days we didn't get this kind of thing, let us try to never have these times come again.
"These times" are still with us and they will always be with us. They did not suddenly "start "and they are not suddenly going to "end". Alas human beings have always and will always have the capacity for cruelty.
This is nauseating. Let’s remember that this didn’t just start. Cave men were killing each other. You going to chastise their ancestors with platitudes?
Wow-that was one amazing and sad story-very well told.
Impressive edition of this series. Very emotional and fascinating.
This was really interesting. It was also a very affecting story. At least these people know the truth and have an opportunity to process it all. That's important.
Hiatory is so incredibly important. Will we ever learn not to repeat it?....
Nobody has to process this. They’re not guilty of anything. This trend of forcing Jewish guilt on people is really pathetic. I don’t care. Not my guilt. Not my shame.
The lady should b wearing gloves with such an old parchment
Recently, there's been some debate as to whether or not wearing gloves while handling old parchment actually helps keep it intact. Gloves, especially if they're made from cotton, are abrasive and can collect dust and dirt which can potentially hasten degradation.
Horribly sad to think that they might have been still alive and having to die slowly in there...
I don't think that's likely unless the murderers were purposely aiming to be cruel. Granted, they burned people alive back then, but with at least the supposed belief that it might cleanse a cursed soul, and I've never heard of children being burned alive. Put it this way, if they did want to be so cruel as to force 17 people to die slowly in a heap at the bottom of a well, they would have had to want it MORE than getting rid of these people easily, because they would have struggled wildly and well holes were small.
Thats how most elderly and sick people die....nowadays....slowly ....and struggle to breathe
@@audreymuzingo933 There were children burned alive, all they had to do was ''confess'' and be over aged 7.
@@audreymuzingo933 aiming to be cruel is a huge part of history. They tortured people by the most heinous means. Even children.
The very thought of having been a mother or father incapacitated but alive to experience the terror and horror of accompanying so many children in their transition from life to death still takes my breath away!
It constantly amazes me on how Christians conveniently forget that their Messiah, Jesus Christ, also known as Yoshua, was never a Christian. The man was a JEWISH teacher, prophet and rebel. Yet they constantly persecute and execute HIS people.
Well, maybe it's because they (rabbis ), ordered him crucified! They were afraid of his teachings and of his followers.🙏😒
@@rosamariamendoza1466 That is the first time anyone answered me with an answer I found. I also found that, yes the rabbis ordered his death; but was reluctant to carry it out, so they asked the Roman governor to do it for them. The Romans followed the Old Religion too and at first refused it until the rabbis threatened civil unrest. Isn't it amazing how fast one can become HYPOCRITICAL! LOL
Kenneth La Grow Yes, hypocritical to the maximum!✌
@@kennethlagrow7448
Actually it was Pontius Pilate, Roman Govenor of Judaea, that was reluctant to kill Jesus. He saw no reason to kill Jesus and the arguments put forth by Rabbi Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin were weak. The only argument that finally worked was when Caiaphas asked Pilate what would happen to Pilate's career as Govenor if his refusal to kill Jesus resulted in a Jewish uprising? You have to remember that Rome didn't care about Jews and their problems so therefore couldn't have cared less that a Jew was going around telling everyone that he was 'King of the Jews' and the 'Son of God'. Pilate thought it was ridiculous and beneath him and wanted no part in what he considered nothing more than a Jewish philosophical disagreement. To Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin this was far more than a simple difference of opinion. Jesus was a very real threat to Caiaphas and the position he held as Rabbi and head of the Sanhedrin. Caiaphas was not pleased that Jesus was openly condemning both Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin for their excessive lifestyle and autocratic rule over all Jews.
Another thing to consider is the fact that the Jewish clergy rejected Jesus and His claims because He was seen as nothing more than a peasant and the Jewish Messiah would never come and live among us as a pauper. The Jewish believe their Messiah will have certain attributes that will allow them to know for sure when He arrives. Jesus, to put it plainly, did not live up to their expectations and was consequently rejected.
Jesus was very specific about why he detested Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin and had many an open argument with Caiaphas about what Jesus saw as abuse of power and elitism.
One thing to remember though is that Jesus had to die, this is the very heart of the Christian religion, so if it wasn't Caiaphas/Sanhedrin it would have been some one else who sought and won Jesus' death.
@@DLRS222 Yes, I agree with all you said, but Christian's conveniently forget Yoshua was NEVER a Christian, and always portrays him as a White CAUCASIAN Male with a brown beard and long brown hair. They also forget that their bible is taken from Hebrew writings and claim it as their own. There is NOTHING inherently ORIGINAL in their religion, it is BORROWED from the Hebrew or the OLD RELIGION, which I follow.
What a strange place to put up a shopping mall. Too bad they don't check the ground before building something on top. Also a shame that so many bodies moved out of their burials sights that were buried "properly". The people in the well definitely needed to be buried though.
Agree with you. The site should have been preserved as a historical site .
@@mikmar6904 Absolutely!!!
They DID check the ground before they built the mall -that is how the well and the bodies in it were discovered in the first place, when they did an archeological dig in between demolishing the old factory on that site and building the shopping mall. This is done in most cities.
@@julierobinson3633 You're absolutely right. Besides which, by that logic the whole of Britain should be preserved as an historical site by this time, except, oh yes, people are STILL LIVING there. We cannot preserve everything. We can only do our best.
It breaks my heart to know the truth, but its also nice to know we can reflect now we can change, we all can learn from our past generations mistakes .
Unfortunately, the history that's being taught, teaches almost nothing of the horrific things that's happened in the past. And we are headed in that direction again. Theres genocide going on right now. And it's being ignored. I think every detail of the horrors of the past should be taught & shown to every kid in school. Kids are the future. And if they know nothing of the past, they can make the same mistakes all over again.
Norma Cunningham - why expect schools to inform? That’s also a vital responsibility of parents surely?
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 , Yes, parents should be teaching them also
Joe Ann Ojendras but we don’t
No. No we can’t. You think we’re just going to change? Only thing that’s going to change is the Jew grift is over. Nobody should ever feel bad for them again.
Absolutely amazing documentary! I hope those souls are now resting in a heavenly space. Sometimes science and faith do mix!
I find the idea of Jewish persecution to be considered here to be quite a reasonable line of pursuit. There are many documented incidents of massive persecution of Jewish persons at many points in Britain's history. In readings of various regents that specifically document this. It was often attributed to the understanding that money lending (basically a form of banking institutions) were operated by them. 'Loans' per se were not actually an available option to people and members of higher levels of society, when in need of funds, took advantage of these opportunities. They had lands and lifestyles but these required funds. Without inheriting or having royal grants didnt have many options. Money lending was seen to be base and thus the Jewish not viewing that as a class problem. They had funds, they were often the first to be targeted for so many things. Their monies and possessions were of course defaulted to the crown. Quite lucrative when coffers were felt to be in need.
yes and borat sang "throw the jew down the well" apparently the song was based on real events.
Or to skip paying debts
😂😂🤣🤣🤣@@fourshore502
It always makes me uncomfortable when I see people handling old documents without gloves on.
When is humanity going to wake up and see how we've become, generations after generations of everything that is negative and destructive. Man made religion is the evil of this world and hides it's evil deeds behind our amazing Creator's name. And to those who are going to slam me please don't waste your time as I walk in light and have spiritually awoken not religiously awoken..big big difference.
Love and light to our sick world and humanity. 💖 Great, fascinating stories.
Actually, most so called religious wars are fought over land, not religion.
As a Jew, I don’t think that’s true at all.
@@anovemberstar tbh its more about money and power 😔
Religion is and always was a construct of man to bend others their will, brainwashing is the word. The creator doesn't need middlemen, my spirituality is direct
Bee bee Be .....so is mine
56:26 - the moment you realize your school history books were not accurate...
So you didn't learn at school that jews were deeply hated all over Europe? I thought everybody would know that...- No, it was not only Germany with its 20th century Holocaust.
@@isabellaaragon144 But no one ever wants to ask WHY they were hated. All we hear is "antisemitism, antisemitism, antisemitism!!!!"
It's always "Jews were persecuted". The question NEVER asked is WHY throughout history, from biblical to historical sources, they were persecuted. THAT is the question that is forbidden to ask.
@@evanroberts2771 well said, my friend!
@G G At usery, when it was forbidden, yes. They were successful. And punished rightfully for it.
@@evanroberts2771 It’s very easy to persecute a people when they don’t fight back.
When she revealed their faces, i instantly saw that they look almost identical. They had to have been father and child... so heartbreaking... 😭
Shema Israel...✡️
Requiem aeternun, dona eis, Domine. ✝️
@@juancarloscuaocastellanos8813 Yes I also saw a family resemblance