Civil War Skeletons - History Cold Case - S02 EP03 - History Documentary
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- In this episode, the History Cold Case team investigates the remains of over 100 men found in mass graves in York, dating back to the English Civil War. They uncover the stories of two soldiers with rare congenital conditions, shedding light on disability in the military and the challenges they faced. With forensic analysis, historical evidence, and expert insights, learn how these men lived and died amidst one of Britain's most tumultuous periods.
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Despite her feeling self conscious about this series, Dr Sue Black is an absolute delight. Her book is a fantastic must read!
I agree. I love her.
what is the name of the book?
Written In Bone, Criminal Dismemberment, All That Remains, Saving Bletchley Park, et al.
I absolutely adore her....watched loads of her interviews and documentaries. X
Dr Dame sue black
The man with the inward pointed eye has what is called Duane syndrome . I have that. Duane syndrome is an eye movement disorder present at birth characterized by horizontal eye movement limitation: Mine is the adduction (pointing inward to the nose) the same as his. If it was pointed to the ear it would be the abduction type. Either way its an EXTREMELY rare condition according to my Optometrist. It does eventually cause very poor vision to total blindness in the eye as an early age. I was totally blind in that eye by the time I was 14 years old.
My left ear enjoyed this documentary.
yupperz, my to :P
Listen to it again with your headphones on backwards to get a fuller sense of what is going on.
@@rabbi120348 I got it, but thx ;)
Frustrating hey?
I thought my headphones were broken for a minute there, lol
It would be fascinating to see if the two specimens with the genetic disorder had any descendants extant today. I have a fascination with very rare and ultra-rare genetic disorders because of my own family history. How amazing it must have been for this team to uncover what they found.
Should be simple to invite some local people to volunteer to be tested.
@@heenanyou I would rush to give my DNA, I would love thinking I was maybe a part of something which gave us more gifts of History
I love this series and then watching it for a second time. At one time I was a professor of anthropology and went on to do international fieldwork. Learning from this is a joy. If anyone knows of any similar serious, please do comment and let me know!
'Meet the Ancestors'
@@simonzinc-trumpetharris852 I’m going to check it out today. Thank you!
I think the two men could have been father and son. Would make sense they stayed together.
Imagine living in a world where you were judged on what you could do rather than what you looked like or what you couldn't do
There was such a world it was called the stone age. People died so often that everybody was an asset even the blind or cripples would be cared for and contribute in whatever way they could.
What, you mean the 21st C west? The Labour party is throwing out the tenets expoused by MLK. Critical Race Theory specifically judges people by what they look like.
@@guywelsh9589 what happens when they get Alzheimer's?
imagine just being scottish? must be alot to deal with every day....
nice observation
After 50+ years of Cultural Anthropology... I float around the net looking for historically based investigations such as you have provided here. So, from a grumpy old guy that loves factual information about us... Well done! You did yourselves proud. I've subscribed and relayed your information to friend and family. I wish you a long and interesting run at topics such as you have presented here. Thank you, ✌😎
Anthropologist here too. Agreed...very high quality research.
@kevin k if you go to the page, they've apparently done ones in america with same team!
I absolutely love Caroline who gets so excited about the faces as she constructs them. Also I imagine it’s nice for them to be dealing with historical cases not more recent forensic cases which I’m sure they usually get asked to consult upon
I loved watching these on the BBC back in 2010. So glad all were uploaded here so I can watch them again.
@@90randomgames Thanks for posting that. The BBC never showed them only the two series in UK (2010/11). I'll go watch after rewatching these.
I imagine the spirits of these men watching the investigation unfold, seeing their lives being honored, and smiling. 😊
My thoughts exactly! 😊
Thinking of the 2 men with abnormalities ie the fused elbow & knee joint at 90°
The other with a fused hand/fingers & the puzzlement of the team wondering how the men managed to be in a fighting army
Wasnt the Viking Warlord, namely
Ivar the Boneless who was thought to have soft cartilagous muscle in his legs with either no bones or bones so fragile he wasnt able to stand on them
Yet this warrior was a fearsome warlord who had a type of small chariot to lead his men into battle.
You can never tell what some body adversity can do to the will of a person, make them weak or through bullying can make them stronger & more determined!
Thank you for your wonderful videos 🇬🇧👧
I had a friend many years ago who had no cartilage in his nose. It gave his face a very strange profile and it was obvious to anyone he met. The fellow came from an Ukraine family who came to America in the 20's, his father was a great friend, a retired Sergeant Major from the US Army . Perhaps that was what IVAR had, as this fellow could have been called boneless because of his nose appearance.
Caroline Wilkinson is amazingly talented, her face of the veteran soldier from Towton is very evocative
Still watching, January 2021
Still watching February 24.....😊
This is my absolute favorite episode!!!!
This is an excellent series. Wish there were more episodes. Several suppositions made and some possibilities not considered. But overall, excellent. Thank you.
I had a terrible infection on my heel that was not responding to regular antibiotics; so, they prescribed sterilized honey to put in the wound, and it actually worked quickly!
Hannah Cwik Ooh - that must have been very painful!
Sweet
@@motaman8074 bahahaha
Should be a stand-by in any home. Ba-dum-tss
Diabetes 😂🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Xanthe's reaction and Sue's reaction to her 6:50 - 6:55 .... Priceless !
The bells playing in the background are beautiful.
I imagine these men as never knowing love. They never had a wife or girlfriend, no children, and removed from their families. All they experienced was pain, and suffering then death.
I wondered if they weren't father and son. The father simply took his disabled son with him when he went to fight and helped find him a job in the force. I mean, in that case, they wouldn't have the same mother, would they? But they would be closely related.
They were about the same age, all the men were in the same age group. So sadly it’s not likely they’re father and son.
I love British TV shows and this one is no exception. It's SO interesting and might be my favorite. Too bad there aren't more episodes. 😕
I love the history but also love Xanthe’s hair, especially now it’s bleached! Looks amazing
I adore this show!!
Watching this and didn't expect to see my uncle Andrew in it!!! 😮
I wish they could make more episodes of this, it's so fascinating!
very interesting and plausible episode! They should look for families with this condition around Hull
"Relatively healthy, if you can be when you're dead." I lol.
They definitely should've at least considered that the guy with the more severe deformity could've been an actual soldier. Sure he would've had to overcome a lot but people can amaze you sometimes. If he was a sailor he probably had to have great balance. Moving on land was probably much easier for him than getting around on a ship in rough seas. His disability had been with him his whole life so he would've figured out a solution that worked for him & probably improved on it over time. Those muscle attachments were not those of a sedentary individual. He was big & strong. It is definitely possible that he fought bravely so we shouldn't discount him simply because he was disabled.
It struck me that his disability would probably still allow him to ride a horse. He could still have been an effective fighter from horseback.
My daughter's and I watched this together. They thought the three scientists amazing and stated, " those women are fierce."
I think u explained & presented this tragic story very well!
Fascinating in the extreme, to see the workings of the investigation. Thank you from South Africa 🇿🇦
I'm really enthralled with this series and it's information, especially from an ancestry perspective. I wonder, from the DNA that is found could be uploaded to Ancestry DNA sites to find matches to living descendants, especially for those whose family have lived in that specific region forever. This information would be powerful in family research, no census needed. How mind blowing to know your 2000+ year old ancestor.
My dads sister had DNA tests done which led to the discovery that some of our ancestors were serfs on Richard lls lands. We also have French, German, Welsh, Irish, Scottish and English ancestry.
@@juanitarichards1074 Wow that is exciting. I'm just about to do my DNA, I wonder where it will lead. Thank you for your reply. 😘
@@0x0xs All sorts of exciting mysteries no doubt!
I can’t believe there aren’t more episodes. This show is excellent.
@@JohnGaltShadow yes, I wish there where more seasons, but from the fact that it ended on 2011 I doubt they do a comeback.
I hope more of these shows will be made. So interesting.
My students in Medical Assisting enjoyed watching these videos and discussing them in class
i am the very fortunate recipient of an english grammar school education beginning in 1959, i had teachers much like some of the older participants in this excellent series......they were often a little disheveled and prone to rambling but they held our respect and pushed us t learn and grow
Brilliant sue and team ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
These three women are amazing.
Until one of them goes"i don´t like to think about the possibilty of human sacrifices because it hurts my feelings"....as done in another episode
There are millions out there just as amazing.
Love to learn and watch this content. Happy days.
I hope that the doctor writes a paper on these bones
I work in hospital pharmacy and we currently use honey impregnated dressings….
Another fascinating insight into the story of the bones. Thank you
This show is amazing. I binge the heck out of it. 😄
I want to be as excited about anything as she was about that old skeleton's bone deformity.
I have to admit, I was extremely excited when she said that both the deformities in the bones were congenital...but that is because anything so unique about the human body is exciting for me. xD You can tell it's her passion, though. She loves what she does.
Trump's wall?
@@LarryNathanielPhoto Oh Lord! I'm excited about November.
It could have been an alien.
@@kimberleybrown3054 😂
Geez I wish there were more of these episodes
The older redheaded scientist made a comment about the deformed humerous with the hole in it from a case of osteomyelitis, "A simple course of antibiotics today and that would have been gone"...
No! Not when it's that bad and not when infection penetrates the bone! Osteomyelitis (infection in the bone) is always quite serious and never a simple matter of administering antibiotics...not when infection enters boney tissue! That was a severe case that caused that hole to form like that!
Most cases of osteomyelitis can be treated with antibiotics now, perhaps not with amoxicillin, but certainly with an oral regimen. Obviously with an advanced disease such as documented in the program, débridement and an IV regimen would be indicated.
Agreed. I had/may still have osteomyelitis and was highly allergic to every antibiotic except amoxicillin. They didn't even know what antibiotics were back then except for honey, possibly salt, and vinegar. Nothing for deep internal infection...
I like how looking at the reconstructed faces they’re like “wow he could have blended in with us today” well yeah it was a few hundred years ago they’re not Neanderthals 😅
😂 ikr
"They're like"? Are they or aren't they?
@lemongrabloids
actually Neanderthals wouldn't stand out among us either since they contributed genes to today's population.
Smart ladies.. really enjoy this series
Thank you
Another brilliant documentary. Thoroughly enjoying every minute
Fascinating, informative. Thoroughly absorbing.
I can't help it - I had a giggle when I saw some of the bones were stored in a fruit box ..🤣
Why,did mummy not give didums his sweeties
I am imagining how hard it was in that era for a woman to give birth to a child with both fused elbow and opposite fused knee.
@Rusty Kinks Plausible. Also bone mineral density increases by about 200% in the first year of life, so the limbs could be fairly plastic at birth?
@Rusty Kinks Or a combination of that and a baby having plastic-ish bones at birth, such as in the skull to enable the head to go through the birth canal.
Probably killed her
@@zezeamazon well child birth definitely was a more major cause of female deaths in the past when less medical attention was available
Thats probably why they have two different mothers. The one who gave birth to the guy with fused knee most definitely passed away giving birth.
49:48 And thus, the first Medieval hole punch was created. Jokes asside, this series is phascinating, go these ladies for such an informative program!
Excellent presentation, I've watched this a number of times. Respect to all involved. Rodge David Kidderminster uk 🇬🇧❤
They keep talking about how rare this condition is but they're going by today's figures but how do we know that rare conditions weren't more common back in the 1600's, or at any other time in our history?
Because they're genetic. If anything, genetic defects which make survival before procreation less likely will be less common in the past so they're actually being generous. And yes, I am sure because mutations increase with time, not decrease.
R.I.P. Souls.
So interesting. Thank you.
An excellent production. Very interesting and I enjoyed the historical research.
Incredible team 👍🏻
That red haired woman doesn't let the other woman get a word in at all 😂😂
julie Bill Sue is the lead on this show. She heads the team. Everyone reports to her
Professor Dame Sue Black OBE - extraordinary woman. She's the boss. :D
Dame Sue Black OBE is the lead on this programme. I’m sure it’s partly down to the editing. She does amazing lecturing.
Their is only one boss here, so she can talk as much as she likes.
Interesting episode 💜
Luv ya sue, such integrity
This is so interesting
I SO love the music you use! Please can you tell me or list it in description??? Thank you!💞
The show belongs to bbc, they just uploaded it.
i suppose the biggest the thing that i can take from this , is a lesson that we should all learn is to be tolerant , and respect a person for who he is being disabled doesn't make that person less of a person. each of us has a place and a function to perform.
Also, it’s okay to not have a “function” too 😊💗
Thank you! Merry Christmas! How many episodes of this show are there in total? I think I've seen them all but.....one can hope not...🎄🎅🤔😋
amazing!
The series is terrific. I would like to let you know of the American Civil War. According to history books the Army Surgeons were Butchers by trade. They could use knives and cleavers to amputate limbs and perform surgery. They usually had two years training. The doctors were medical vetanarians who cured diseases. They looked after the animals and the patients after surgery. They had seven years training. I read this in a history book all about Gettysburg. The vetenary cured them and the surgeons were known as butchers. Pretty interesting stuff on the battlefields. Thank you from Arizona USA 🇺🇸.
excellent video and educational
That's a crazy pic they were looking at of the original site with all those skeletons lined up
Love these ❤
Amazing!!!
When her eyes light up talking congenital abnormalities, made me feel a little uncomfortable because all I imagine is someone severely impaired by his disability no matter what century he was in and the struggles he must have went through.
This is why I’m not an archaeologist I guess😂 my brain would just be thinking about all them life’s
@@heenanyou all their lives. “all them lives” is not correct English.
Fantastic.
Maternal mortality rates were high so its perfectly reasonable that the younger more disabled man was the child of a second or third wife
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Excellent point
Very true, especially considering they had no idea men’s contribution to new humans degrades with age just like a women’s does. Of course without medical intervention women stopped conceiving or passed away in hard labors. Considering how as recently as WWI they used boiling oil to seal wounds, that shouldn’t surprise anyone.
The older could have been the father of the younger
Noooo, why can't I hear anything? Finally found one I haven't seen yet.
So very interesting
Absolutely fascinating.
i didn't know that bone fusion at 90° angle was rare. I've had a fused elbow in that same position since I was seven. I broke the arm and it never healed correctly, even after severql reform surgeries. I was born with a genetic condition that effects my collagen and I always suspected it was related to that
I'm imagining that a person with both limbs affected as such could still ride a horse and perhaps fight with a sword and shield while mounted. Do you think he may have even had an advantage?
EDS ? Everywhere I go I see people saying they have EDS.
Dna related archaeology...still blows my mind
I enjoy these episodes. I hope there are many more.
Sadly the series ended in 2011.
There are two seasons, and it aired originally on BBC2 channel.
6:30 I bet that is why he was so muscular. People teased him for drinking with his pinky finger out, and he kept getting into fight.
Weather you are interested in the subject matter or not... the camera work of BBC is un-deniable.
Editing is a different topic. The camera persons got the shots!
I have had infections in foot and toe bones and antibiotics only work sometimes, hence a few missing bits.
Know of an Irish person and Norwegian who are periodically drain of some blood for excess iron in the blood which makes me wonder if bloodletting would of helped.
No, that'd be for something like haemochromatosis, a genetic condition where you have excess iron. The gene's quite common in Europeans; (it's in my family; they did a genetic study on us) but you have to have both copies of the gene, like my Uncle did, to have the condition. Luckily I only have 1 copy. I imagine you could have excess iron for other reasons, but that's NOT the problem when you have an infection! Bloodletting would make you worse, as it would for almost any other condition.
A friend's father also had to have blood drained for same excessive iron issue...
I have to have monthly 'bloodlettings' (phlebotomies) for excess iron due to Polycythemia Vera, a rare cancer of the blood. It involves too many red blood cells and having 500 mls removed per month helps the oxygen get around in my body better. Also, my blood is so thick it will clot in the needle and even in the bottle to which they empty it (and throw it away). So if someone had PV in those days, they very well may have saved their life by bloodletting.
As a mother, I can't help but think how hideously difficult the second man's birth may have been.
Angelbabe
He likely was born “normal” and it fused after birth.
Most cases of these joints fusing like that, happen after birth. Many times a simple small injury triggers the fusion.
Perhaps he "was from his mother's womb / untimely rip't"?
@@rabbi120348 No. Caesar wasn't born via caesarian. Old myth. It was not survivable then. They ripped the baby apart to save the mother if it came to that.
This actually is Jewish law -- if the fetus is endangering the life of the mother it must be aborted (it is treated as a "pursuer," someone who is chasing after someone to kill him, and a third party has the duty to stop the pursuer, by killing him if necessary). I don't know what the Romans did. I certainly wouldn't think the operation would have been survivable in Roman times, or any time prior to antiseptic surgery. Nowadays it's commonplace and often elective. All 4 of my kids were born by C-section (2 operations).
sorry but thats an ugly comment i dont always agree with being pc friendly at all but when it comes to deformity i become defensive i couldnt give 2 hoots about your sexual orientation mob or race or colour but when it comes to disability i go all out im surprised im the only one hear making a defensive stance
so interesting
As soon as they said that disabled people would work together to take care of each other, and then that disabled people would leave home to relieve their family of their burden I thought maybe the two men were brothers and the older one with the less visible or severe fusion took care of his younger brother. I don't know whether I would prefer them to be related or not, cause I'm not sure which would make their deaths more tragic.
What blows my mind is that medical professionals had as many positive outcomes as they did at a time without any of the technology we have today. 🤯
Did they say that? Because mortality rate was a lot higher than it is now
@Rae that is simply not true. The healing rate is alor vetter these days, hence the overpopulation
@@juttamaier2111 I said “had as many” not “has as many” ~ meaning that I was mind blown that everyone didn’t die.
If a person was amputated at the right ankle, and required the use of a peg leg, he would put his weight on a cane on his left. That might cause his left elbow to seize up.
I thought he was a pirate. Imagine my surprise to hear they had eaten a lot of fish? Are there any famous pirates with peg leg or hand smashed in canon use?
Have you seen Who do you think you are? In the Australian version, one of our comedians Adam Hills great x8 grandfather was a Pirate, Adam has a prosthetic leg. He didn't vet the pirate joke until after filming finished
Very humbling.
No problems what so ever in the hearing of the audio. Perhaps it’s been fixed. Heard through both L & R sides of Apple earbuds. 👍🏻
This needs to be reuploaded. With headphones you can only hear with one ear...and it's not the headphones.
What is weird is that in another episode, an expert says that soldiers simply ate a lot of sea fish, that they were easy to conserve. So I think these two guys didn't necessary come from the sea.
When you pack the bones back in the box, do you include a report and a picture of the person?
Love the series. However, I'm surprised that they are allowed to saw big hunks out of the bones.
If they were brothers with the same father, there would have been 2 surnames on the soldiers list that's the same.
Love the chosen music.
While watching these episodes, I wonder just how many souls are waiting at the Pearly Gates to shake the hands of these women who gave them SOME of their identity.
@Rebecca Farley : You do realize "judgement" has a main ingredient which is: ignorance.
What, exactly, is God ignorant of (that He stops being ignorant of, after He removes said-same ignorance? )
Perhaps, I should use "history" instead of identity.
Or maybe, "removing obscurity?"
The real, burning question is, is there an "e" after the "g" in "judgment"?
@Rebecca Farley : Ignorance comes with judgement, therefore, God judges, He must be ignorant.
It's a concept the Middle Eastern religions want you to practice, but not believe.
And oh my gosh, dear, I hope those lashes come via a wet noodle or with mascara 😊
capie44 - I hate to spoil your party, but there are no souls waiting at so-called Pearly Gates to shake anyone's hands. WE must shake her hand and thank her for her expert research skills in skeletal identification.
@@malinstella6965 : No you don't 😛
Better with. Subtitles👍👍👍
My left ear( cause I only have one headphone) also enjoyed this
I’m sorry I have to say this. In the section about blood letting (which I think is barbaric, for the record), they say there are no benefits to blood letting...... yet the red cross informs us of several benefits to “donation” and honestly I have felt much better following a donation. They may have been primitive but all they could do was use observation and instinct to help their fellow man. Honestly they did it very wrong and didn’t know when to stop sometimes but losing some blood and making new blood is currently understood and proven to be beneficial
There was an outbreak of typhus in Moscow in autumn 1994 when I was there...never was so glad to be vaccinated
Oddly enough, 90 degree frozen finger joints are common enough in the US Appalachian mountains to this day. It's sometimes called a Viking Finger (don't know why, lost to history or a language drift from another diagnosis). Most often the smallest finger. That region of people, until recently, emigrated to the area shortly before and after the American Revolution, but from Scotland, England, and Ireland. And then they stayed there mostly isolated because of how difficult the terrain was to traverse, and because they were not welcoming to outsiders. So marriage between cousins was not uncommon. There is lots of documentation of isolated pockets of people becoming homogeneous. The frozen finger is still around today and well known among the people who's families have been there for hundreds of years.