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"We don't base our teachings upon personal revelation. We base teachings upon written revelation." Yes!
prove it :)
Both but it needs to line up with scripture
FYI- After listening to Dave Hayes a few times, I was concerned over a number of things he was teaching. On one of his programs he said he had never read the Old Testament scripture and felt no need to because God speaks very clearly to him through his dreams and visions. That was my “red flag” moment, for without studying all scripture, we open ourselves up to deception. Good and very much needed topic on tonight’s program, so thank you.
I agree, no where in the Bible does it talk about frequency's or manifesting ourselves in front of others lol. I encourage all disciples to please just read your Bibles. Also please don't pull verses for your own gain and point, yes the LORD can speak through dreams, but the Bible is a complete story and covenant first and foremost not a tool for you to prove your righteous power.
@@ghwhy9 The bible doesn't have quantum physics or the things that quantum physics speaks of. Yet we know that many things that Quantum physicists are discovering are affirming spiritual things. The bible doesn't have the principle of thrust, by which we can explain how planes fly
Whoa
@Judy Horne I have listened to Dave a number of times, and I haven't heard him say that before other than the fact that he often relies on his dreams and visions for direction from God because that's how He often speaks to him. Would you deny that God speaks through dreams and visions?
Job 33:15
He speaks in dreams, in visions of the night,
when deep sleep falls on people
as they lie in their beds.
Acts 22:17
“’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
That's your problem, don't mix science with the Bible, the prophets did not need quantum physics, they needed faith :).
I just want to say thank you for being so gracious when you speak about these things, especially for people who are doing this... I used to be involved with some of these practices and teachings. I genuinely thought they were Christian practices. Eventually it caused me to shipwreck my faith and ended up walking away from the church. Thankfully the Lord opened my eyes and I was able to repent and stop. I ended up going through deliverance afterwards and one of the spirits that was cast out said it was a spirit of witchcraft which was a shock.
I'm so grateful that I heard orthodox teaching about the gospel. I'm so grateful to be part of a healthy church family! Before, I used to think I had to reach some greater level of spirituality and I didn't understand the grace of God and our need for mercy. It was exhausting trying to work my way to heaven. I'm so grateful for the word of God, that he has revealed himself through the Bible and has given us everything we need for life and godliness! I can now appreciate the everyday things in life and don't feel like I need to escape to another realm.
It's so wonderful to be free!
Thank you so much for having this discussion and I'm so grateful that you balance things so well. I was so afraid of the gifts of the spirit for a long time but your episodes on the gifts helped me to be open to the Holy Spirit and the gifts again. God bless you guys.
Control and manipulation are hallmarks of witchcraft in the church, at least in my experience - one does not have to be a member of a coven and casting spells. The mishandling of Scripture out of a need to control others and done so with a spirit that seeks to get its own way - even with God - is akin to witchcraft. I thank God that you are free and may He keep you free from strange fire as you work out whatever gifts He has given you.
@@godsstruggler8783 thank you so much for your message and for your prayer, I pray the same too. I don't want to fall into the same thing again. I've come to love the word for what it is; God's story and it what's he has given us to get to know him and his character. Definitely changed the way I approach scripture. It’s so important to have good hermeneutics. 👍
Thank you for posting your testimony. It was a great encouragement to me because I have gone through a lot of the same things though not to the extent that you have. I would get panic attacks when I would see people speaking in tongues or getting "slain in the spirit" when I was young. I left it all and just lived my life free from church, but the Holy Spirit had a different plan for my life. I've been on a truth quest for a few years now and testimonies like yours really encourage me. I have finally found the peace that I am saved by God's grace through the faith that He gives me. And yes, it is so wonderful to be free. God bless you my sister. I did take a peek at your page you have a great artistic talent I love I love your paintings.
Over many years of Pentecostal, Charismatic and liturgical church life and being a licensed Pentecostal minister myself, I really appreciate finding you guys and watching some of these vids on bizarre and unbalanced Charismatic/Pentecostal man-centered teaching. It is refreshing to hear this from tongues talking, Spirit-baptized church leaders not cessationist cynics. Recently, I have been asking the Lord to help me to discern seducing spirits and doctrines of demons to guard my heart and know Him in truth. Your sharing is helping, and I appreciate your meekness and respectful disagreeing as you bring the Word and corrective balance to these ministers' teachings.
Crazy how God's grace can still work through heresy, though. I was listening to Kat Kerr when I had yet not chosen to give my life to Jesus. Her stories really woke up that yearning for heaven and that I didn't want to be in hell. I gave my life to Jesus for these reasons also. I understood later that her teachings didn't resonate well with the Spirit of Truth within me.
Don't underestimate God, though. He work literally with anything.
That's God responding to your faith and thirst/hunger for Him. The mercies of God. Nothing to do with her "gifts" or teachings.
I realize more now that God can use anyone, and many unconventional things. For example, some horror films include bible passages at some points, which can speak to someone. But that doesn't change the fact that they are not healthy or should be watched. Likewise, I believe the same re some of these very well-known people, with huge public platforms and a very wide audience. It's very, very concerning. It's as if the bible just doesn't have the same value any more, as if too much is focussed on spiritual experiences etc. But the Holy Spirit and the Word of God always agree. That's why we are supposed to test everything. But are they willing to listen?
@@susandumbill8805 they wont listen any more if we are currently in 2nd Thess 2's falling away happenings (not that I desire the day of the Lord's return in judgement over the whole world yet)
Anyway nothing stops you for interceding on their/their church's behalf if you are led to. Even if there be just 1 soul who would heed sound correction, our God remains merciful to relent any early judgements on the body He loves and seek to revive back to the straight path on His end
"We're told to lay our hands on the sick. We're not told to travel through portals..." 😆😆😆
lol! Seems pretty straight forward !
The elders or deacons are told to lay hands on the sick not every believer
Do you have scripture for that? @@bullbikkov7239
@@bullbikkov7239read Mark chapter 16 very very slowly and very carefully…
A close family member asks me each time we talk, 'what prophetic voices are you listening to?' I tell him Daniel, Jerimiah, Isaiah, John, Jesus. The conversation then quickly turns to the Kansas City Five, Julie Green, Kenneth Copeland, and of course the pope of the prophetic: Kat Kerr. I am desperately trying to point out that many of these are heretical. The worst issue comes from Kat Kerr teaching that unrepentant people get a second chance to accept Jesus at the moment of death if they were generous or nice people. Especially if they were orthodox Jews, Jesus makes a final appeal to each of them in person if someone prayed for them at any time. Last time we spoke I simply challenged him that Kat Kerr is teaching another Gospel. This is what I am facing, Kat Kerr and her colorful descriptions of Heaven are silently dividing my family. Candyland afterlife is bad enough, seven mountain mandate is worse but last chance Jesus after you die is devastating to the Kingdom of God. Thank you for covering this, I will encourage you to speak more strongly against these false prophets. I will as well. Peace Brothers.
Do you know the Eastern Orthodox believe in the purification of the dead? That hell is God's purification possibly unto repentance? Read the church fathers, I think Kat Kerr isn't always speaking in error
But yeah the candyland thing is totally childish and hard to justify, she's also been wrong about a lot of prophetic words
@@offensivesaint9848 that idea doesn't come from the apostles, scripture, or the Lord Himself, so there's no reason to believe it. What is stated is that, "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment." Heb. 9:27-28. I think that's pretty definitive on hell NOT being a place of purification. If we got a glimpse of how holy God is, we would understand that there's not an eternity long enough or a hell hot enough to absolve us of the most "insignificant" lie we've ever uttered.
@@offensivesaint9848…and the scriptures do speak of baptizing for the dead…what is that about?
Which is why Id term this sort of thing.. as bible puts it.. doing the work of the kingdom of darkness.
It's too close to hearing the wrong voice when people practise these things thinking that we can create stuff off by our words/willpower which is a basis or opening to witchcraft Im afraid. A slippery slope to put up with. Glad this channel is covering and I hope many will come out of all these polluted new age bible suggestions.
Christians already have open access to the throneroom of God through Christ. No need for all these at all. It is not Christian. There might be christians unfortunately caught in all these movements but it's a basketcase of doctrines that are not biblical and therefore not supportable
Conversation begins 5:32 👌
Love the content here, always helps me understand relevant topics more in depth
I do not trust people, I trust the scriptures. Even the most well meaning people can be in error. A man who says he never reads the Old Testament is very concerning to me
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this conversation. So helpful. Over the past several years, I've been processing my spiritual walk and various spiritual encounters I've had over the years and seeking discernment.... What was from God...what wasn't? I truly don't want anything that isn't truly GOD as displayed through His only divine Son Jesus/Yeshuah. This conversation has really helped. I've been close to simply ditching all the "supernatural"...and with them all any direct Holy Spirit activities. I determined that I would rather have only the BIBLE and all it contains without ever feeling anything again emotionally or feeling anything from the "Spirit". I do think coming to this point is important...to decide that if I never FEEL anything again...the Bible and knowing the true GOD of the Bible is enough. But this conversation has shown that there can be the charismatic with rational thought that is grounded in contextual Bible interpretation. Thanks so much!
I'm glad I found this channel. I felt like the only pentecostal calling out false prophets!
It's lonely isn't it? God hears us!
Thank you for a very clear word on what doctrines of demons actually do. They lead us away from the one true God. Differences of opinion are not necessarily doctrines of demons.
Guys this is an awesome program and your bringing the balance to this movement. Thank you for confronting this type of teaching. I politely confronted a individual on this type of theology at the time I was asked to leave. But time has proven that the individual has been exposed. So I say let’s preach Jesus to all the earth and wrap this thing up. Keep up the great works!!!!!!!!!!
Mario Murillo recently called out Kat Kerr and Robin Bullock after calling out their discrepancies privately.
Mario dont mess around. I love listening to Mario Murillo.
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Another excellent instalment, I like how you don’t dumb down Christianity but explain the theological words that should be taught and should be used.
It’s an important work you fellas do and I appreciate what your trying to achieve especially correcting some of the excesses and unbiblical teachings we have seen.
Please 🙏can you do an episode talking about the Lakeland revival especially the apostolic commissioning of Todd Bentley by all the very well known and respected apostles. I think that would be very important topic considering the fall out and devastation that ensued weeks after that night.
Keep up your good work May the Lord bless it.
Andrew.
“Respected apostles”???? Famous / well known self described somethings. Yes!
Kat was describing one of her many trips to heaven 🙄. She said heaven was like Disney land with carnival rides & people were lining up to be taught how to fly by Christopher Reeves. ( Super man )🤦🏻♀️ I turned it off!
The guy talking about portals, that is straight up new age teaching, I did a detour through the new age & was deep into that kind of stuff before God yanked me out of that & off that path. It’s very tied to the twin flame community which is a huge niche of the new age community, which is how I was sucked in. So many crazy experiences I had I thought was from God & I was so very very wrong. I cried out to God in the deepest pain I’ve ever felt & he answered me & opened my eyes & not so gently yanked me out of that. When you open those doors not knowing what you are truly doing, you are opening doors to the supernatural & demons & crazy & amazing things happen. That’s how you get drawn in deeper.
Thank you, most people have zero idea the dangers and bondage they are opening themselves up to. The pagans believed and used these, and most of the places built by pagan for their worship were at places where these portals were believed to exist. Dangerous stuff to be sure
What do you think of Kevin Zadai and his teaching?
Now is the Time for Charismatic Reformation!
#1 best statement in this episode “ we don’t turn personal revelation into teaching “ --Amen
This goes with most of the error in prophecy, visions and dreams even when they are authentic are almost always for the person receiving them and rarely for others or for teaching.
Once the door is open, who is to say what God told him about portals and vibration frequencies? When the mugger asked Dan Rather for his frequency maybe they both were in an altered state.
This is most concerning, people are channeling spirits😳 can we say possession. I pray for all who are in such need of help that these charlatans are praying on. Thank you for bring this to the table.
I read almost all of Dave's books and was prayed for by him several times and never got healed :( I was so sure I would get healed but after all these years of wondering why nothing was happening to me supernaturally for healing I came to peace with the fact that God is saying no or not yet to my prayer for healing.
I hear you sister ❤
Dear Kayley,
Sorry to hear. I hope that you remain faithful to the Lord and whether He heals you or not, He definitely loves you. I will keep you in my prayers. God bless fellow saint.
Reece
@@reecebaptista4074 I love God regardless if he heals someone or not!
Haley, I understand the frustration of not seeing the fruit of our expectations. And through seeking the Lord on it, he led me to a Deliverance ministry that truely has changed my life. I started to listen to Pastor Monty Mulkey and the channel Mom's and Miracles on TH-cam. I pray you will receive your healing through Deliverance in Jesus 🙏
@@candacejorgenson6536 I am a Christian. Christians cannot be indwelt or controlled by demons. I pray you get DELIVERED from deliverance ministries.
Kay Ker missed her calling as an author. She should write fantasy story books…this is so CRAZY!!!
Yeah she made me cringe and decide maybe charismaticism isn't for me. I call her Cotton Candy head! Sad!
Its getting harder to find a church without this stuff.
You hit it on the head with the personal revelation
Sounds like the guy is astral travelling. And yes spirit guides. Needs deliverance
Thank's for bringing this up, SO important these days!
I just did a teaching/podcast on Christian Mysticism. It’s crazy the stuff we are allowing into our lives and calling it Christian…we are too in love with the supernatural instead of God!
Kat Kerr has literally lost her mind.
If anyone actually believes that type of nonsense, they need mental health help. I mean I've heard her say some really outrageous things, but this takes the cake. Lord have mercy on her soul & bring healing to her mind.
Peace & Grace. 💕🕊💕
Kat Kerr is a few fries short of a happy meal for sure. I don’t know if she is a straight up liar , a crackpot , or a combination of both. Nobody needs to be listening to her
I have yet to read in the bible where false doctrine is put down to mental illness. Clearly the woman claims to have some special powers & portrays herself as super- Christian which is meant to give her a credibility to those she misleads. What we do know is her false teaching is designed to mislead and deceive.
@@ifehansson2254 that's not a false doctrine.. false doctrines take scriptures and the word of God twist & misconstrued the meaning to lead people astray.. In that particular video Kat didn't even try to apply scripture. It sounded like a Lala land story someone would tell a child before sleep.. which would be wrong. She needs mental health help.. and anyone one that would even believe such nonsense has never read the word of God and is not sealed with the Holy Spirit. (Salvation)
Doctrins are teachings.. that was pure fantasy.
Peace & Grace 💕🕊💕
I used to work as a mental health nurse on an Acute psychiatric ward
where people are admitted in a state of crisis, in the worst state. I don't know Kat Kerr personally, but I'm not entirely convinced that she is mentally ill, unless she frequently experiences something like LSD 'flashbacks' which can affect a person even 10 years after using LSD. I believe 'Magic Mushrooms' and other substances have a similar effect, even Heroin sometimes. I nursed several people on that ward who had Drug Induced Psychosis, but it was usually short-lived. But some remained vulnerable to even using Cannabis occasionally. All were advised to stop altogether, whatever the substance used. I wonder if there may be an element of someone having a very vivid imagination here, coupled with good story-telling ability, and very savvy business sense. Someone like that could spot the ignorance of the undiscerning 'christian' masses, then take advantage of it - and profit. And, of course, we can't rule out the possibility that some of these people may in fact be genuine wolves in sheep's clothing... After all, our spiritual enemy doesn't always appear as a red sinister figure, with horns and cloven hooves... Sometimes he appears as the sweet lady who describes incredible, fantastical visions etc. Reminds me of a certain 'minister' who described an 'Angel' called 'Emma', who appeared in one of his meetings, and another (a tall male bare-chested 'angel') wearing white ballet tights and Ali Baba shoes, who turned up in a bathroom one night!
Never underestimate the power of a fertile imagination. Some of these people are laughing all the way to the bank! 😄😄😄😆
Mario Murillo has called Kat out publicly and has addressed her followers as well. He has taken such a hit on his ministry in the process. I don’t agree with him on everything, but I have a tremendous amount of respect because he knew the backlash would be huge. I would equate what she is doing to a form of hypnotism as well. She plants so many visuals in order to insert the power of suggestion throughout a person’s life. Pretty scary looking at it that way. (Many errant pastors/speakers seem to incorporate power of suggestion techniques into their presentations.) It would seem to follow it would help many Christians to know what these techniques are. Since learning a few of them, it has completely changed how I listen and evaluate pastors/leaders. A couple I was following, I had to walk away from once I saw it. (I don’t see you guys doing any of this obviously.) I do appreciate how you are talking through these topics to appeal to intellect and common sense without being curmudgeonly.
Good tips. I so dont appreciate people who try hynotism on others
Did Mario M, go to those people privately (prophets) first, before he blasted it all over the internet?
@@suzanneyoung6273 That verse applies to private matters between people, not public teaching which is being blasted all over the internet. Paul called out errant teachers publicly in the Bible because they spread their message publicly. People hearing errant messages need to know so their false teachings can be avoided.
Hi Jill, thanks for pointing out Kerr's use of imagery and planting in suggestion. To be honest, if this is really what she and others are doing, deliberately, then this is extremely serious, given the potential for harm or far worse for someone spiritually and even eternally, maybe. Hope she's not a wolf.
@@susandumbill8805 I don’t know if it is deliberate. Kerr is one where I wonder if she does have a mental illness. I do pray for these prophetic leaders and for those who follow them. So many have not matured in their knowledge and faith, so easy to fall for so much. I know I will refer to scripture and explain why I like it. They stay out of defensive mode and I am planting a seed with scripture and how it has impacted me. Then pray for the Holy Spirit to open their eyes.
I love the content and admire your friendship! It might be great for you guys to do a live Q&A session. Thanks for all you do.
It was interesting to hear Miller mention Justin Abraham. He seems to go under the radar in conversations regarding hyper charismatic teachings. Might be worth talking about his ministry, especially for your UK based listeners.
Agreed! I’ve tried to find info & discussions on him and can’t find anything, which really surprises me as he is just so off. I know people who follow him & even recommend I follow him too. I couldn’t even have him turned on for 30 seconds without feeling strange & eerie. Tried a few times but the hairs on the back of my neck stand the second I turn him on!
Thank you for your work, I pray that more people have the courage to speak the truth in love 🙏
Thank you for standing up for the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
i'm pretty sure Kat Kerrs visions are from doing mushrooms
the "Christian language, non-Christian content" disclaimer is fantastic. Although I usually think Christian language is fuzzy enough to blunt any content. I'd love to see if he could give me an idea what a "spirit" is.
Man I would love to sit down with you guys for a couple minutes and pick your brain and converse. There's arguments that I don't think you guys tap into. And I do agree with about 95 percent of your views and arguments.
Could not listen to all of that as it was too disturbing to realize how much error is promoted. (Fast forwarded through that stuff) Thank you guys for standing up and teaching the truth.
Elisha told Gehazi, his spirit was present when Gehazi went to Namaan to receive a gift Elisha had rejected.
You can tell when someone did something they weren't supposed to do without having an Elisha experience. I bet at some point in life you've said something to a child about sneaking into something they knew not to. Guilt speaks in cheaters, thieves, liars, etc. Come on
Thank you for addressing!!!!
Thank you for your timely and informed content from The Bahamas.
Listening to the Kat Kerr portion reminded me of Alice in Wonderland. In all seriousness, I think that there is also something to be said of the different types of bible literature. Besides the cultural and historical context, not all parts are meant to be taken literally. The people of that day that saw visions and had dreams were just trying to describing certain things as best as they could. There is also a lot of poetry in the bible. People misinterpreting the type of literature can lead to incorrect theology as well.
I listened to Kat once & she was describing one of her many trips to heaven.🙄 She said heaven was like Disney land with carnival rides & that there was a line for new arrivals to learn to fly taught by Christopher Reeves. ( Superman)🤦🏻♀️ I turned it off!
Blows my mind that people STILL listen to her, especially after Trump didn't ride into the WH on a white horse by the end of 2021... 2022... etc.
I like to call her gandalf the pink
Thank you for being the voice of God Almighty at a time like this when dark forces try to take over the Truth. The Word of God says that Christ is our Righteousness, Christ is our Wisdom, Christ is our Redemption & Christ is our Holiness. Sadly none of the 3 teachers here dwell within the Word of God and are Christ centred. Immensely grieved at the false teaching. My prayers are with you for boldness and for wisdom to defend the Kingdom of God!
I appreciate this episode very much, thank you gentlemen.
As a Christian, when you are told to do something by God, then it is His will that you do it at that time that He gave permission for it. I don't think it is then constantly open to us, unless He claims it so. For so long, the Church thinks they have the right to do whatever is in the scriptures, then wonder why things don't work the way they think it should. My life has demonstrated that God is involved in everything He asks me to do. If He is not giving permission it is not happening, even if I use all the right words. We seem to forget the component of His expressed permission. He is to be involved in everything or it does not happen! His choice and His will not mine!
Even if this "vibration frequency" made sense scientifically (it doesn't), it cannot be Christian. Jesus said he is the only door/gate and anyone who tries to get in any other way is a thief. Any "portal" other than Jesus is a portal to the enemy. Jesus is the only way. This portal business is so wrong.
It doesn’t. Hyper C grab on to Quantum Physics without having a clue. Even Einstein didn’t want anything to do with it.
Vibration frequencies is commonly found in the Law of Attraction movement. Along with speaking into existence and declaring and decreeing this filth has entered the Charismatic movement teachings. It's all new age not scriptural
It does make sense when God said he spoke everything into existence. They've already proven the frequency stuff. And yes any portal is for demonic use.
There is a difference between translation and astral projection. One is done by the will of God and one is done by the will of man.
😊Love the show you guys! Don't know why the guy's piece was allowed to play so long. Made me very uncomfortable. I don't know why people think they can mix the sacred, holy, hallowed things of the Lord with garbage like that. Welp....the scripture did warn that satan walks about seeking whom he may devour. That guy is deceived. I wish everyone could tune in and hear this discussion. So many people are falling off into darkness bcuz media has made it seem harmless. It's absolutely harmful to those handling it, their family, and friends and those close to them. What a shame!
Wow,this Dave Hayes is absolutely off the wall! I feel sorry for him,that he is so deceived, on the other hand, I'm upset that he is disseminating this dangerous error to other,impressionable people!
Thank you guys for always bringing truth in a fair way. I’m charismatic but see how so many are hurdling themselves over the hill.
Portals and spiritual travel ... It's like right out of Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange fire!
Yes
💯💯💯 you guys said it perfect at the end! People need to stop supporting this craziness and get bacl to Jesus🙏
Interesting that as soon as I heard your topic, I thought of Praying Medic AKA Dave Hayes. His teachings are way off scripture. I heard him say he was the prophet of the Q movement. Also, his stories of communicating with the dead should caution anyone against listening to him.
May the Lord have mercy on her unsaved soul 😢
At 50:42 in the video "Angles don't have wings"! Are Seraphim and Cherubim considered angels? Because they have wings according to: Isaiah 6:2 "Seraphim were standing above Him, each one had 6 wings......." and Ezekiel 1:6,8,9,11. "had... four wings", "their wings were touching"....
I am very happy to have found your channel, Ruslan KD - God Bless Studios referred his listeners to you in one of his videos. I've only been subscribed to your channel for a few days but I am starting to get a big respect for your teachings and your willingness to take on controversial issues. I was raised attending a Pentecostal church and attended charismatic churches for 20 years of my adult life. But I really began to question some of its some of the teachings, so I just stopped attending church altogether and began to look for the truth on my own. I looked at all the teachings against Pentecostalism and charismatic churches mostly from the SBC Baptist churches. And now I've come full circle back to the teachings that I started to reject from the charismatics. It's been a long and frustrating journey and I'm still on it, but I thank God for channels like yours that are also seeking truth. I'm starting to become less cynical and bitter towards the organized church of any denomination, but I still have my guard up whenever I hear anyone teaching from the Bible. I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God, but let's face it people can twist the Scriptures and string together heretical teachings to fit their own agendas and have been doing so for centuries. So, thank you for what you guys do I really appreciate your guys approach to the Word of God as well as the calm intellectual word-based conversations you have with even those who disagree with your beliefs. I look forward to listening to more of your videos to help me in my quest for THE TRUTH of God's word.
Sounds like Kat has been doing some tripping alright. I don't think it's to heaven 😳
Danger, Will Robinson!
Y’all just noticing Kat Kerr now?🤣🤣🤣 She’s been off the reservation for years now !🤪
Psalm 103:20 Praise the LORD, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word.
I've read a fiction book series regarding guardian angels and by the end of the series I was turned off by the suggestion to seek out our angels and their names. It's downright off-putting. Our focus turns from pursuing God to pursuing lesser. My former best friend has in the past, without success, encouraged me to ask what my angels' names are. These ideas lack purpose, are unimportant, and unnecessary in our relationship with the Lord. They lead us astray to follow after "another". I am gravely disturbed that these teachings and "methods" have infiltrated the church. I am extremely grateful to you men and your exposure of dangerous doctrines. I appreciate the work you do. 🙏🏻
We definitely shouldn't shouldn't be seeking angels to find out stuff. But I do believe God will send angels to protect you or whatever it is God sends them to do.
My step dad and sister got in a bad wreck. I my step dad was unresponsive and it was not good. My sister said she knew he was dead. She got out of the vehicle and a lady came from no where and said, "I came as soon as I heard about your wreck." No houses in the area and no one had stopped. My sister was freaking out on the person in the other vehicle, bc they pulled in front of them. She said she looked back and the lady was leaned in car over my step dad. When my sister went back, my step dad was awake and responsive. After that other people stopped and that lady just kinda disappeared. My sister couldn't find her.
All that to say, God definitely uses angels but not in the way these people try to use it.
Katt says cows drives tractors in heaven?
6 foot bunnies painting eggs? This is sad
I write fantasy fiction. I often use the technique of picturing myself in a character's skin, seeing a scene through their eyes in as vivid detail as possible... but I know the whole time that it's just my imagination and something I've made up. It's scary and sad that some of these people don't know the difference. Listening to Kat Kerr was a bad moment to have a mouthful of coffee and gave me the best laugh I've had all day. It's a pity someone hasn't steered her into writing children's fiction, as what she's imagined in that clip would be fantastic in that context - Enid Blyton meets C.S. Lewis meets Beatrix Potter. But as actual revelation about what heaven's like? NOPE.
Musing: Might what modern charismatics call "portals" relate to what the ancient mystics referred to as "thin places" ?
Probably.
I'm glad you brought up Kat Kerr, because I enjoy listening to Elijah List when it features Larry Enlow and Barry Wunsch. But it really upsets me that EL would have Kat on every Wednesday and promote her so strongly 😔. Once I heard her say that Walt Disney is in heaven..... REALLY??? Child trafficking Freemasons are in heaven??!!😳.
I haven't listened to anything she's said since....
Hi! My sister and mom listen to Elijah Streams and they have sent me vids of different guests he has, but the first time they sent me Kat Kerr I was dumbfounded that they even gave a listen to her teaching. She says you can dispatch your angels that are assigned to you and the more you dispatch them the more angels you are given. She says she has tens of thousands. My sister prays in this manner. They have recently been very consumed with youtube prophets like Amanda Grace and Sheila Holms and are very into Robert Henderson and soul ties and generational curses. Along with conspiracy theories. Sadly after I mentioned to them I didn't listen to any of their videos they sent and I didn't share their beliefs it was an all out confrontation. It got very bad. We thankfully made amends but it's starting to happen all over again. What's some guidance on dealing with family members subscribing to these doctrines? Thanks for your vids very informative 👍
I stopped listening to Elijah list completely. I have always tested high in gift of prophecy but never had an avenue to grow that gift. Almost all the guests they have had on there do leave me concerned since there seems to be such a promotion of New Age philosophies being promoted. Kay Kerr is definitely the most colorful of the bunch. Real prophecy does not promote new age teachings or manipulating the world around us but points to Christ. It concerns me even more that Steve has never once addressed those in the ministry who have concerns. Disturbing all around since he is avoiding accountability.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD AMADA GRACE SPEAK ABOUT ANGELS AND PORTALS THAT ARE DEMONIC, I AM VERY CAREFUL TO NOT FOLLOW PROPHETS THAT CLAIM TO GO TO HEAVEN OR SEE ANGELES. I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER HAD A CHECK IN MY SPIRIT ABOUT AMANDA.
I'd say just ask them to show you in scripture where is says you can dispatch angels, or whatever else they're saying. If the believe the Bible and it's not something the Bible says then it's not true. Just keep praying God to reveal them in the truth. Arguing won't help but I think if you have them search the bible themselves, it may help when it's not there.
Regarding Kat Kerr I was reminded of the movie 🎬....Who Framed Roger Rabbit 🐇.... 🐇 And Toontown
I like to call her gandalf the pink
No Kingdom without the King.
I'm always a few minutes behind.
I'm glad someone mentioned mental illness!
On that note, yes, we need to speak out! It should also be said that it is very difficult to deal with one person's mental illness excersized though "spiritual things". It is impossible to deal with mass psychosis in the same setting.
I've seen it. These people don't listen. The dopamine hits are too powerful! The narrative is too powerful.
I would love a reference on the creed in the early church to "not go beyond what is written". It was mentioned around 9 minutes or so.
It is new age teaching!
YIKES. Come Lord Jesus, come!
"Faith is not the expectation of a particular outcome. Faith is the confidence in the goodness, kindness, and character of the person. Because of that, you may have certain expectations...not mustering up psychological certainty that you are about to fulfill some exploit...that is word of faith type faith."
I'm honestly a bit puzzled by how you take "doctrine of demons" to apply. I've always read that as: "doctrines delivered by demons". Doctrines that in some capacity distract from the word of god and as such obviously are to be avoided. I've never taken that to mean: "doctrines that demonize". Not that a sufficiently bad doctrine held strongly enough couln't be gateway for demonization but I never saw a direct correlation. But I do think one can follow a wrong/demonic teaching and still be well within orthodoxy and salvation. Forbidding to marry I think is something that led among other things to the establishment of a clergy class, taking away the direct access to god that the lay people had. In such its clearly demonic but I would never assume that every catholic priest who is holding to the celibacy is demonized.
Thanks for the great episode. I completely agree with everything you you guys said however I'm stuck on Jesus saying that we will do even greater things than He did. What does he mean by greater things? Could it mean that we can travel to the third heaven and open portals? Probably not. So what does He mean by greater things?
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Think about Jesus’s ministry here on earth. It was 3 years long and had a limited location. After He ascended to heaven and sent the Holy Spirit, by the works of his disciples (and even us today) the saving Word is spread across the entire world to all different people of different languages and cultures. In Acts 2 Peter preaches and 3,000 people were saved! We are now Gods tools to spread the Gospel and souls are saved because of this great commission. This is the greater works he’s talking about. We will never do a greater work than Jesus in the terms of power, because Jesus’s greatest work is forgiving sins. Costi Hinn has a video where he explains it nicely.
Some are sincere, but in error. Others are mentally ill. Still others are servants of the Enemy, intentionally making Christianity look foolish.
I'm sure Dr. Keener will be relieved to know that you don't think he is demonized. Yes, that's friendly sarcasm from an egalitarian.
the “father of lies” always wants to confuse, frustrate and twist the truth to lead us away from God and away from the Truth that would set us free. He will use any type of lie to trap us. So that is why knowing the truth and renewing our minds in scripture regularly is so vital to our walk.
I listened to Dave's podcast before he became involved in Q and after for a while. My feel is that he genuinely beleives he is helping people. I also feel that he would be open to correction done in humility. He actually has an early podcast differentiating Spirit travel from Astral projection. It is well done and clear in what it attempts to distinguish. I think that would be an interesting teaching to breakdown. Also, have you tried to contact him? He is very accessible and there may be a good chance he would be open to an interview. Finally, I really don't think he has millions of followers. He has several books on Amazon, sales are not in the millions and his social media accounts are less than 200,000. I personally would love to see you guys talk to him.
Very respectfully, the fact that this channel is still supporting elijah stevens & thereby bethels leadership practices is concerning.. See Beni Johnsons book on "physics" where she speaks of vibrations and the same spiritual mysticism among many other sources from Bethel leadership who have made many related comments of support to some of these individuals mentioned but also bethel leadership has definitely affirmed much of the practices of these individuals you cited here w/out question
17:30 we prophesy by faith
17:45 using your will, you can will yourself to go some place in the spirit
18:40 starting doing some experiments
19:01 I did have a grid for hearing God's voice
20:45 spoke a portal into existence
30:45 elijah stevens
35:01 Roundtree analysis is sound but when you consider all the pnts made which charismatic church today would meet such doctrinal expectations? Virtually none but definitely not the major church movements we see to day in charismatic circles.
Bethel Redding is a no go for genuine christians who have found the truth. Is this channel related to that one? Seems very odd that indeed if true
@@trulyso734 they wont come out directly against it. W/ all due respect to them and dr mike brown I dont respect ppl that are generally obfuscative and ambiguous and brown and these guys are; namely because, almost certainly in browns case, speaking against big ministries is not good for business and books sales. No one is warning about the 2 peter 2 "leaders" of the church that we are replete with today
This is what I feel the lord says in his word
If you eat a deadly thing
Without realising it , and like Paul when the serpent leaped out of the fire and bit Paul
And he shock it off and Paul was saved from the poison .
Where is becomes grey is when you do things like take the jab and expect God to protect you , isn’t scriptural, Don’t temp the lord your God , is scriptural and expect him to deliver us
We need to seek him and ask him FIRST “ about such things before we do it , and that’s the order to do it in ..😢
When did this comments section become about anti-vaxing.? Ya'll never stop. My medical decisions are mine to make after prayer and seeking God's will for my life, and getting medical advice about my health risks and need for vaccination or not. Would you tell someone who has cancer not to go through chemo because it might be harmful? Chemo is devastating to a person's body, but it can kill cancer cells. That decision is up to that individual. And I have heard many believers going through chemo to ask for prayer that the side effects would be mild as the chemo destroys the cancer cells in their body.
Mr.Clean Needs a Cleansing
The angel thing made me flippantly wish for a dime for every time some sort of Christian presentation has the soft, soothing emotional music playing. I don't think there is enough physical currency in the world to pay that.
I commented this to you guys maybe a year ago? But i just want to commend you once again for throwing the parent warning up. Not for little ears 👂 thank you for doing that!
Good stuff men!!!
btw, the numerology prophets said a portal was supposed to open yesterday because it was 2/22/22.
Wow! It sounds like a Walt Disney movie! Crazy!
I’m a degreed engineer and a continuationist Christian. Dave Hayes is wrong about the physics. I leave his theology to the theological experts to evaluate.
Get 'em Basement Boi! Hahaha Roundtree needs to upgrade his wifi too!
1:14:40 THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
I pray that we hear statements like these more and more. Spirit give us the boldness to speak of the gospel of Christ. Let the signs and wonders point us to the great salvation that we cannot afford to ignore.
Guy’s I love this channel bc if the balanced teaching
I completely agree with Christ not being central is the biggest concern of with all of this…
This video brings up so much, especially talking to & communication with angels, there is a huge part of the new age you guys are missing they teach. Nothing is based on the Bible. They don’t read the Bible. But the experiences are crazy & amazing. Angels are integral to the new age. I now know it was demons.
Good work brothers! Keep on!
Wow this man talks about the same thing about spirit traveling, vibration and frequency that my previous church teaches.
perhaps a relevant question would be, why? Why is it that charismatic churches produce this kind of fruit, constantly?
Because we are typically the ones who live based on emotion/feelings and not the word of God.
Reliance on 'experiences' and feelings instead of scripture.
@@ifehansson2254 yep
I have certainly seen this tendency toward emotionalism in charismatics. For some (not all), it's like a craving that overrules all else. That gives rise to another question: Why isn't salvation in Christ enough? We would think that reconciliation with God and sanctification by the Spirit would thrill our souls sufficiently!
Paul said that his goal was to know Christ, the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His suffering. Peter said we have all we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Jesus.
@@thetygerpulpitwithpastorglenn Well many times what I see is that many of them are just very very passionate for God and they do believe salvation is enough but they allow their zeal to be without knowledge. They get very passionate and emotional and it leads them to saying things that are unbiblical or they will a lot of times say things that are correct but they use verses that doesn’t mean what they are saying.
Long after the fact (just found this particular group of videos...great stuff, by the way). BUT. Having been married to two practicing witches in my pre-Christ days, this idea that Wicca and such have changed their tone about not using dark magic, or evil power, and such is not exactly correct. Even back in the 1980's, there was a distinction between what they call White Magic, Grey Magic, and Black Magic. White was used for good, Grey could go either way, and Black is self-explanatory. The distinction was primarily about intent during the use of it. So, I would say nothing has changed other than the way they articulate it now. They are simply couching their arguments using the science of the day to take away the stigma of what it actually is.
I watched a TV program about Wicca in the UK, and it's founder, Gerald Gardner. In it it was clearly stated and demonstrated that Wiccans sometimes use Voodoo in order to cast bad spells. It's an old documentary, but interesting. I don't believe for one moment that Wicca is harmless.
Our personal experiences are not Doctrine and/or theology, the verse that was mentioned - 1 Corinthians 4:6 (Amplified Bible) 6 Now I have applied these things [that is, the analogies about factions] to myself and Apollos for your benefit, believers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written [in Scripture], so that none of you will become arrogant and boast in favor of one [minister or teacher] against the other.
Hoping to catch Keener at the CBE conference in Atlanta next month!
I love what you do! May I make a couple of suggestions though? For example, not using theological terms (egalitarianism, etc) without explaining what they mean? And also, not to put such lengthy clips on which are fill of false teaching (e.g., The clips are just too long & probably lose some people). Plus, personally, I would like to hear the major points & hear your input, because I really value your input.
New Age doctrines often refer to science when they mention vibrations and energies, but very rarely do they mention them in contexts where those could (even in theory) be measured in nanometers and joules. This video was only the second time in my life where there was even an attempt to fit the "higher vibrations" into the electromagnetic spectrum.
The reason for this is also easy to understand, as their explanations of such vibrations do not work in science. The vibrations and energies are supposed to enter, and therefore interact, with physical world, but there is no way they could manifest themselves physically as they allegedly do.
The "higher vibrations", be they ultraviolet, X-rays, or whatever, are not as invisible as they are told to be. Atoms radiate visible light together with invisible rays, and even if there were a physically perceptible (but non-atomic?) apparition that emanates invisible rays only, the radiation would cause physically observable side-effects, like fluorescence, Compton scattering, excitations in camera sensors, ozone production, you name it. You cannot hide yourself just by turning your colour into ultraviolet.
Another aspect which the New Agers never mention is description of how the nonphysical entities manipulate physical substances, even though that would be the scientifically hottest topic of them all.
I mean, demons do interact with the real world. Poltergeist activity is very real. How you'd measure that scientifically? No clue, but the spirit world can very much interact with this world.
Dave Hayes....new age....needs a pink wig, to catch up with Kat Karr
Good job we have checks and balances. People who have discernment need to listen. Otherwise satan will lure away.