I can agree but honestly the tone is pretty close to that of saints row 2, i feel like the problem is how many jokes fall flat. Granted i only got about 10 hours in before i fell through the world and 5 hours of progress then quit because i was having fun i guess but not enough to repeat what id already done.
Exactly, the original Saints Row let us get to know the Playa organically over the game as well as the rest of the 3rd Street Saints. As the Playa became the Boss and the games became wackier the characters still had their charm. In the reboot it was like the devs we're trying to force people to like the new characters for the most shallow of reasons. You can't fix bad writing with patches.
@@Owen01 agree to disagree. From what ive played of the reboot, if the comedy was actually good in most scenes id say this would be the closest game tonally to saints row 2. Me saying that doesnt make the reboot as good as SR2, i still think the writing falls mostly flat, but i can see what tone they were trying for, and i think with a stronger team of writers they could hit the mark.
Still curious who in voliton suggested to replace the OG saints with college kids with student loans. They really thought this entire premise was an excellent idea for the reboot. So out of touch.
@@rahmellbrown162 I agree. So many old games have been remade pretty well nowadays. They could have used their time and money to remake Sr2 and people will have no problem buying that.
This is how you can tell who did and didn't play the game. The student loan thing is a single throw away line made by a side character and its never brought up again. Its not the entire premise of the game. The premise is everyone initially belonging to one of the major gangs until they all get tossed aside, so they then make their own gang empire. The story isn't good and the game has so many issues. There is no point in lying about what makes the game mediocre.
It's been revealed that the Big Wigs of Volition wanted to appeal to the modern weirdos of today. The devs themselves wanted the characters to resemble the OG squad. So it goes, Reboot Row is what we got
Same, but this reboot should never have happened which is the sad part. Why the heck did anyone allow this to happen? Everything done in the past thrown out the window, replaced by ''insert me'' characters rather than good and believable characters. In the past we had people with different personalities and they sounded like people that were actually part of the gang life and also looked believable. It made the original saints row interesting, it makes you invested into the story. These characters look and sound like someone that would shit their pants and run away if a gang member threatened them.
The whole point of saints row series it was to give the player a gangster power-fantasy saints were never meant to be some "relatable" young adults they were hardened ciminals they cared for each other, sure but they had no problem killing inocents and brutaizing their rivals
Yea it’s so cringe seeing them all dance and joke around moments after you just murdered 500 policemen, ran over countless civilians and robbed a bank lmao
SR2 was just the right balance of quirky, weird, funny, seriousness, intensity, and heartbreak... Aisha's funeral w/ Gat, and Carlos's death, are two scenes burned into my brain...
@@Mattywan1226 Most of us SR fans think the first two are the best, particularly the second. Three was ok but was the beginning of the series going downhill.
Graphics and gameplay aside, the premise alone is insane. Pick any GTA side-mission in history, I bet it still makes more narrative sense than Saints Row '22.
Biggest fall off in gaming history. Serves them right though. For YEARS if not a decade, the fans of the series were telling them “please, just go back to SR1 and SR2 style!!??” And volition literally just kept giving them the finger and said “no, we’ll make what we want!!”. So i think They got what they deserved honestly
They chose not to listen to the real fans of the series who supported the first two games, many preferring them to GTA at the time, but instead listened to the crowd who thought slapping someone with dildos was funny. Just got way too wacky and those that encouraged it didn't even support the game. I hope the series can somehow make a comeback. It can if they listen to the loyal community who's been there before they went overboard with all the weird stuff.
It wasn't Volition who gave the finger, it was Deep Silver. Volition wanted yo go back to the roots with the last game, it was the publisher who wanted them to make a game for angry teenagers instead of the hardcore fans. Volition developers were rolling their eyes the whole developing time because of publishers demands and constant changes. They had to retstart the concept numerous times because they couldn't nail neither understand which Deep Silver was forcing upon them. Don't blame Volition.
I bought this for me and a friend last week knowing full well how shit it is, but I'm honestly astounded by the sheer level of shit. The one and only thing I can actually praise this game for is the character creator that lets you upload and download skins
I never played SR1, starting from 2. And what i liked about it was how you could attack any faction anytime. It didnt feel set up, like a difficulty rank. "You beat the Morning Star, now heres the Luchadores". SR2 each faction had to hold up on its own in their own ways, rather than just simply being more intense than the last gang you fought. You actually felt like you were dealikg with 3 other gangs.
It feels like the saints in this game should have been an enemy faction instead of the main characters. Like that team building mission would have worked if we were the criminal helping this crew with the heist.
as kids we enjoyed all these inappropriate games, and games are becoming what can only be described as kid appropriate now that we're all adults, how ironic and saddening
What a saaad sad game this is... Nobody asked for it, nobody wanted it, nobody bought it and nobody will remember it. This is textbook definition on how to murder and burry a franchise into the abyss.
@@RonaldMcVale Both obnoxious TH-camrs but i don't see why would that matter either ways, the game isn't ever talked about, now, is it... Meanwhile lots of older games release before it still been talked about today on a daily basis.
You know a game is bad when the entire studio is killed because of it. But they really should've just worked more on the engine and do a remake of SR1 than anthing. Would've saved them money AND generate more income. But they were too stubborn and it cost them all of their jobs.
The true final nail was their attacking fans online and basically shooting any remaining good will they had in the face instead of just saying ' we realise this game wasnt what fans wanted and we apologise for this. We are taking criticisms to heart and swear to truly bring back the spirit of the saints in our next game' They didn't even need to do that.they just needed to not attack people they didnt like. Just do minor damage control, silently take what sales they got, and go from there. Do i support damage control nonsense? Nope. But that seems like the best option from their viewpoint.
@RepCamo Agree, like I can see why people like 3 and 4 , but they pushed the silly side too much til the point it didnt feel like a saints row game. 1 and 2 had the perfect balance
Sounds about right. I struggle to see why the devs would want to go in this direction. Do we really need a Saints Row game to teach us the power of friendship?
I cant blame DS too... since after 2 they really going with goofy route and more being lazy to made great sr...so yeah they trying to show People They are the victim but its not they trying to made DS as scapegoat while in their discord they also dont accept criticism about reboot and ban them instantly with the slaves they had... I blame Jim boone and the asian dude Dan campbell talk about harassing him and his friends that also enoug get him resign from Volition after 2,and bryan trafficante the high executive one says "SR always being goofy and its never good"
Nah I don't buy it@@TwinSticksReviews it could easily be a higher up trying to cover their asses. Deep Silver is behind Metro Exodus, Corvus and Dead Island 2, all games with dark themes and in case of DI2, dark comedy that isn't afraid to go places, despite being set in LA and having a similar tone. I get that there were a lot of rewrites, but the writers wrote these jokes and thought they were funny, even if the characters are flat, it shouldn't stop them from being funny. Uncharted 1 is a good example of a light hearted tone done right. Blaming it all on Deep Silver seems like the easy route out.
So sad to see that Volition has closed down. This was the wrong project with the wrong people making the decisions. The social team telling fans on Twitter that they were wrong and that if they didn't like the game that was "too bad" was a harbinger of things to come. And I'm betting the person that wrote that tweet isn't even self aware enough to see they were part of the problem that got them shut down. Anyway, great video. Always weird that videos like these almost become a piece of history after a studio gets shut down. If this wasn't recorded the game might have been forgotten completely. Maybe it would be better off that way. Such a shame.
i also remember how i was blocking traffic to see of it was as chaotic in GTA and it is though i turned on the aggressive npc cheat and shot in the air the npcs got off their cars and after a fee seconds the entire pile of cars vannished i was like "this is supposed to be next gen? it should handle all these cars and npcs lmao"
I don’t play saints row for a moral message about happiness n friendship i play it because i know im the criminal n my job is to elevate my gang by anymeans while having fun that being said every other sr is god tier compared to this garbage
Turns out Volition wanted to make the reboot a 20/80 of Saints Row 3 over the top with Saints Row 2 more grounded stuff. which considering I thank Saints Row 2 and 3 are the best in the series. God that would have been amazing.
As bad as the Reboot is its not the reason why the studio shut down it has to do with Embracer group being an incompetent company that tried to rely on Saudi money to save their business. Saints row still sold well it just wasn't recieved very well
@@purpirekhonestly I knew the game was going to be awful when they released a whole 20 minute customization trailer it was an immediate red flag for me because I saw similar from wwe 2k. The customization isn't even that impressive
@@elvickRULESit sold way better then agents, i believe sr sold around 2 mil copies or so, agents only sold around 200k. I wouldn't say saints row sold well but it basically broke even which was enough to keep the studio from going down. the initial comments about the saudi money was correct. although if the game did way better I imagine embracer wouldn't have closed to the studio. tldr; did the studio close because of saiunts row? no, was it a contributing factor into why the studio was wrapped up in the mass layoffs? probably source: I worked at volition on saints row as a 3D artist and was laid off as a result of the closure. Development was a mess and with most things, its usually more complicated then what people think
I think Saints Row should go back to basics, I'm tired of the over goofy nonsense. I want them to focus on creating the gang itself, creating patrols etc would be amazing.
Recently finished playing saints row reboot here, most of the issues after the patches are still present, one of the main issues I've had is the game either removing any attachments I have on my weapons everytime I launch the game or the game would go out of sync and cause the radio to get so low that I mainly have to either mess around with the audio or the volume on my TV and it frustrated the hell out of me so I have the same problem, another problem I've had was during the dlc heist where you had to take a photo of Chris hardy without getting caught, I encountered a glitch where I could not for the life of me take a photo of him because the game doesn't register or let me continue through the mission, i looked everywhere online and I couldn't find any solutions for it that is until I found out I had to not only use the in game phone to zoom the camera but also zoom the game camera itself on the settings.
Dude if you were to take even the lightest hearted speeches in any of the original Saint's Row games and compare it with reboot it doesn't even feel like the same writing staff hell even the 3rd one with your character pretty much Archer style fan boying over Burt Reynolds you could believe that is something that a criminal business person would be like OG Saint's Row made me a fan of Daniel Dae Kim's voice acting and his acting in general and gave us my favorite Michael Clarke Duncan badass character
Aim acceleration is the STUPIDEST thing devs put in games where aiming is a thing. It does nothing to help you aim nor does it ever feel good. REALLY makes you wonder
imma be honest, i kind of enjoyed the game. bugs aside, it's alright. Not the Saints Row we all love and remember of course but it's alright, i guess. can't beat 2 and 3 of course.
Dude, the tone of the SR2 is unmatchable (sadly) it was heart-breaking decapitations, while also throwing poop at buildings 😂😂😂. And the opening song during the menu : "Gansta b:tch" 👌. Also the personalization was way over any thing available back in 2008, not even the sims 3 (2009) had so many details😮
me and my mother beat this in co op because i wanted her opinion through the whole game knowing her reaction would be as shocked as everyone else’s, to be honest we finished the game and we still can’t piece together what the story was about.
I find it very ridiculous (in a bad way) that The Nahualli betrays us not because we're a bunch of incompetent kids that know nothing about organized crime and take none of it seriously, but because he's jealous of our friendship and wants it for himself. Sounds like the motivation of a Toby Fox villain.
WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE RUBBISH STORY DESERVED TO FIRED SMH STUDENT LOAN AND JUST RUBBISH CHARACTERS SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH THE OG’S AND SAINTS ROW 2 SHOULD HAVE IMPROVED ON IT
Storywise: Rather than starting the Saints. They should of have the characters already part of the Saints and under a liutentant. Your character is not taking over but just getting by with their friends.
I remember when people were speculating that they were college students with student loans to pay. And it made it even better seeing their reactions, knowing they were exactly right with their predictions 😂😂😂. Volition doomed themselves with their decision and the way they lashed out to their community, calling the OG fans “haters” and giving in to a very small minority of people that barely made up like 2% of overall gamers.
At this point Im convinced that the first 2 games were a fluke. If anyone wants to do anything with the Saints Row IP in future and actually cares to listen to the fans for a change, PLEASE just give us a PC port of SR1 and/or proper mod tools for Saints Row 2. Other than that, perhaps its just best to let this IP die.
@@lucasgraeff5391 I like that it’s a fictional version of southwest region taking inspiration of places like Las Vegas, and New Mexico with some amazing architecture. There’s an active train running through the desert, there’s a slums, a suburbs, downtown area, golf course, a go kart track, a tourist attraction (El Dorado) which like a smaller Las Vegas strip, casinos and all. It’s all beautiful to see, especially at night. The Padilla bridge standing out with its huge loop structure around it. There’s even a bridge that goes under water, funded by Marshall. The Santo Illeso sign that shines in the distance. It’s a lot. Twin Sticks explains it best at 15:51 and 18:07, it’s like an amusement park that you can walk around in but, you can’t ride any of the rides. If only the population density were higher, wildlife roaming around, more accessible buildings to go in and out of, engaging in activities around these structures, like go kart racing and golfing, and being able to rob the train in free roam like we could in Red Dead Redemption, these things would’ve made this map one of the best and most fleshed out maps ever. Unfortunately, it just sucks that the cons of this game out weighed the pros so much that it doesn’t get talked about much. Even I quit playing this game for a while, I decided to give it another go focusing on the positives of this game, and my admiration for the map is what got me back into it. There’s not much to do in it, but it’s it still beautiful to look at.
Not gonna lie I saw this coming before it was launched.. now don’t judge me but it was because all the companies working on this game had pride flags throughout all there pfp and social media’s at the time. For some reason I just knew that they would f the game up after that.
i still love this game and i'm sorry if someone hates me now and says: "how can you like that shit" i just love the game i hope it continues and before you hate me, i never played a previous saints row
Saints Row 2 should have been the style and identity they continued with, I think. Freedom to do plenty of ridiculous things, but with a great story with some genuinely heavy beats
The franchise is dead, that's why there's no longer updates to it. It's a shame, it was one of my favourite series of games. Sadly they went out with a failure of a game, in my opinion the story wasn't as interesting, but for me the biggest problem was the lack of content, i finished the game in only 12 hours, which is WAY TOO SHORT.
They were NOT designed to appeal to "the widest possible audience" - that is such a willfully ignorant position. If it was right it would've sold like hot cakes.
You’re an up and comer, keep up what you’re doing and you’ll get a million subs. Most of the king retrospective channels don’t or rarely post now leaving a lot of want and room for content like yours
i just wanna take the time to point out how much Tomo NAILED the sitcom part lol. i never noticed how its written EXACTLY like it lol. my jaw dropped 😂
I'm still convinced they made this game around 2010ish as a new IP (so not SR) , shelved it and got it out of the drawer and added some SR assets and released it as a SR game. There is no way this game was made in this decade and started out as a SR game.
so agreed. i thought they totally jumped the shark in sr4 but after gta not having a fleshed out dlc for their story it gave volition the opportunity for a real gripping story about gangs and betrayal and love like in sr2 however they decided to be unapologetic about how shit the game was. its ridiculous
According to some reports, it was Deep Silver who wanted the more young adult humor and tone. Also, since Deep Silver is a European company, they asked Volition to avoid using "gangs" as the protagonists due to Europe not liking to glorify gang culture, so the Saints are treated more as violent entrepeneurs rather than gangmembers. They also were responsible for PR, meaning it was Deep Silver that pushed back against the game's critics, not Volition's programmers.
You know, taking out the issues with the story concept, pacing, characters, tone, etc, there is still a massive thing that just makes the gameplay feel hollow. The game doesn't let the player fail those "badass" moments. You don't have to be good at the driving to drift well, you can let go of the throttle and hold a drift indefinitely while the game will auto hold the throttle. You can't fail a stunt jump, because even hitting one at 10mph will see your car hit top speed out of nowhere mid-air to fly 150+ feet over obstacles. The "theme park" comment is completely accurate. The player character is just a person at a theme park, and you know you can't let guests at your park think they are "bad" at your attractions...
Thanks for the reminder to save my cash and not spend it on this garbage. I've been having the urge to play a SR game lately but I think I am just going to play SR3 remastered instead. It's sad that this is how Volition went out, we all know they are capable of so much more but it is what it is and honestly, I hope the talented devs that were forced to work on this are offered better jobs at other studios where their work can really shine. Edit: Just found out that even SR3 Remastered has censorship, okay, I'll just save my cash there too and play the uncensored original that I already have in my Steam library :P
Curious, what did they censor in the SR3 remaster? I didn't buy it, I have the original as well lol. I assume it's the fuck machines? Maybe the penetrator bat?
For me Saints Row 2 and 3 are tied for the top spot. The story is far better in 2 but the gameplay of 3 is better by the same margin. I would get frustrated in 2 by having to build up my rep before being able to do actual story missions, whereas in 3 after their initial introduction I wouldn't have to play the side content if I didn't enjoy those missions. The controls of 3, I played on the Xbox 360, also were just set out better. Next for me would be the first game. This is the one where perhaps the complaint of "it's a GTA clone" could hold water but I felt it did enough to separate it from Rockstar's titles. The worst for me is Saints Row 4. The super-powers were fun but they also made every other mechanic in the game feel unimportant.
You should have mentioned that the writing is another example of DEI in action. GaymerX is even still advertising that they worked with Volition, even though their work is genuinely with them is one of the reasons the game flopped and their entire company DIED.
can we all agree that them going WOKE in attempt to not offend anyone was part of the downfall? the whole enjoyable part of the old SR series was the adult humor and slight seriousness in the missions that contributed to the plot
I got it free on Epic and honestly I'm loving it. Sad to imagine how much better this would have been received if it wasn't so buggy. I definitely have some annoying bugs I force myself to overlook but generally I do love this game. Definitely need to go into audio settings and set most things down to like 40% and keep engines to 100% to even get it to sound reasonable. Its so weird. Luckily I never got that weird audio glitch garbled noise you did.
9:04 in all fairness, this happens in GTAV aswell but like way further away where you can only hear it, not see it. I think it’s kind of funny that you can actually see this happening in saints row though
It's overhated but still mediocre. The story and dialogue have their moments, but fall off after the first few hours. Combat is unsatisfying, as enemies barely react to bullets and explosives. The world is visually appealing, but it's hard to care about it or feel immersed. It's frustrating. I want to defend this game from the haters. I want to point to something in the game that's actually good, but I can't, because "not bad" is not good.
Since launch i was never able to play with a friend for more than 5 minutes. And i still can't. It was literally a birthday gift to play together, and it ended up being money thrown away
So much about the story in this one felt half baked that I can truly believe that the scenario writers were being rushed to the finish line. I always felt that the reveal of who shot and buried the boss at the beginning of the game was likely intended to be based on which lieutenant had the least loyalty to the boss. That might also account for why the final boss fight felt so bland and lacking in character as (had that idea been implemented) they would have had to slot in the least loyal member of your crew. There is a huge chunk of the game in the latter half that feels like missions designed to cement the loyalty of your fellow gang members had that system been in place. Rushed just about describes everything about this game. My secret hope is that some of the main decision makers behind Saints Row 2 get together and create a spiritual successor ala Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night. After the abysmal performance of the reboot I doubt we are going to be getting anymore Saints Row any time soon(if at all).
Me 40 minutes ago: Oh sweet, the Saints Row Remake is being offered for free on EGS! Let's see how the game is like after all the updates and patches. Me 40 minutes later:
Saints Row 2 and 4 are easily my favorites and even gat out of hell has a few memorable moments despite not being very good and I even tried defending the reboot till after release where the only good part of the game was customization and everything else sucked and even though I enjoy the map the world feels too dead and empty with there being nothing to do
The communiy of Saints Row is huge. Developers had tons of opinions what the fans expected from a new titel. Bute theyve made the complete opposite. Sorry, but they deserve everything and i hope that this is a signal to all other developers / publishers
I remember 10 years ago when both Saints Row 4 and Grand Theft Auto V launched around the same time, IGN did a rap battle style song debating which game was better. Now look at the Saints Row reboot and the trailer for GTA VI, it's like night and day, theirs no debate which one will be better. The reboot was a massive step backwards while GTA VI is probably the most anticipated game since..... well GTA V.
Honestly, I enjoyed the game for what it is, but yeah, holy hell is it flawed ,really flawed. Sad that it killed Volition. I have some small hopes that someday another studio can try again, but, my hopes aren't high.
It’s still such a baffling release to me. Like they had a fanbase more of 1-2, and a fanbase of the post-3 goofiness. They could’ve targeted either of these audiences, but instead, it really feels like it satisfies neither. It genuinely just feels like it doesn’t know what game it is. That said, I did try it out when it was free on PS+, and as of now it at least *feels* pretty good to play. As much as the older ones, anyway. Mostly, when it’s all working right. It’s really hard to praise without a million asterisks 💀
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My biggest issues with the game are the story, characters, and tone. Patches never could've fixed those.
Yeah. Who cares about money fights and Mecha Burgers and all that stuff?
I can agree but honestly the tone is pretty close to that of saints row 2, i feel like the problem is how many jokes fall flat. Granted i only got about 10 hours in before i fell through the world and 5 hours of progress then quit because i was having fun i guess but not enough to repeat what id already done.
Exactly, the original Saints Row let us get to know the Playa organically over the game as well as the rest of the 3rd Street Saints. As the Playa became the Boss and the games became wackier the characters still had their charm. In the reboot it was like the devs we're trying to force people to like the new characters for the most shallow of reasons. You can't fix bad writing with patches.
@@MrDman60644 The tone of this game is nowhere near the tone of SR2
@@Owen01 agree to disagree. From what ive played of the reboot, if the comedy was actually good in most scenes id say this would be the closest game tonally to saints row 2. Me saying that doesnt make the reboot as good as SR2, i still think the writing falls mostly flat, but i can see what tone they were trying for, and i think with a stronger team of writers they could hit the mark.
Still curious who in voliton suggested to replace the OG saints with college kids with student loans. They really thought this entire premise was an excellent idea for the reboot. So out of touch.
Frfr like they did all this and honestly, asl they had to do was a SR2 remake
Seems like alot of writers these days can only self insert because creativity is dead. look at spiderman2
@@rahmellbrown162 I agree. So many old games have been remade pretty well nowadays. They could have used their time and money to remake Sr2 and people will have no problem buying that.
This is how you can tell who did and didn't play the game. The student loan thing is a single throw away line made by a side character and its never brought up again. Its not the entire premise of the game. The premise is everyone initially belonging to one of the major gangs until they all get tossed aside, so they then make their own gang empire.
The story isn't good and the game has so many issues. There is no point in lying about what makes the game mediocre.
It's been revealed that the Big Wigs of Volition wanted to appeal to the modern weirdos of today.
The devs themselves wanted the characters to resemble the OG squad. So it goes, Reboot Row is what we got
I’m still glad this game failed. I’ll never forget when the dev team went to Twitter and started blaming us consumers for it
never let them forget
The gaming industry isn't going to learn a fucking thing from it.
The worst part is that the dev team didn't even make those posts. It was deep silver...
Don't forget the cs person calling us terrorists
Same, but this reboot should never have happened which is the sad part. Why the heck did anyone allow this to happen? Everything done in the past thrown out the window, replaced by ''insert me'' characters rather than good and believable characters. In the past we had people with different personalities and they sounded like people that were actually part of the gang life and also looked believable. It made the original saints row interesting, it makes you invested into the story. These characters look and sound like someone that would shit their pants and run away if a gang member threatened them.
The whole point of saints row series it was to give the player a gangster power-fantasy saints were never meant to be some "relatable" young adults they were hardened ciminals they cared for each other, sure but they had no problem killing inocents and brutaizing their rivals
Yea it’s so cringe seeing them all dance and joke around moments after you just murdered 500 policemen, ran over countless civilians and robbed a bank lmao
SR2 was just the right balance of quirky, weird, funny, seriousness, intensity, and heartbreak...
Aisha's funeral w/ Gat, and Carlos's death, are two scenes burned into my brain...
I know it’s a bit of an unpopular opinion but I really do believe the first two games were the best in the series
@@Mattywan1226 I agree; 100% with that sentiment.
@@Mattywan1226that’s not an unpopular opinion at all. Most people think, I’m one of those people too 😂
@@Mattywan1226 Most of us SR fans think the first two are the best, particularly the second. Three was ok but was the beginning of the series going downhill.
@@artstudent1237 Only way I can even play SR3 and SR4, and not lose my suspension of disbelief, is to just assume the Coma Theory is true.
Graphics and gameplay aside, the premise alone is insane. Pick any GTA side-mission in history, I bet it still makes more narrative sense than Saints Row '22.
Even the GTALCS Donald Love side missions are more coherent than anything in SR22.
Please dont call dis what its titled
And if u wonderin whatchu gon call it den; call it deep silver asset flip 2022
Eddie low.
You know the idea bucket is officially empty when the game introduces D&D LARPing.
@@AliBazzwhy do you type like that lmao
Biggest fall off in gaming history. Serves them right though. For YEARS if not a decade, the fans of the series were telling them “please, just go back to SR1 and SR2 style!!??” And volition literally just kept giving them the finger and said “no, we’ll make what we want!!”. So i think They got what they deserved honestly
I hope this happens to Bethesda
@@kevinbissinger Ubisoft*
They chose not to listen to the real fans of the series who supported the first two games, many preferring them to GTA at the time, but instead listened to the crowd who thought slapping someone with dildos was funny. Just got way too wacky and those that encouraged it didn't even support the game. I hope the series can somehow make a comeback. It can if they listen to the loyal community who's been there before they went overboard with all the weird stuff.
Rocksteady is now feeling the same way.
It wasn't Volition who gave the finger, it was Deep Silver. Volition wanted yo go back to the roots with the last game, it was the publisher who wanted them to make a game for angry teenagers instead of the hardcore fans. Volition developers were rolling their eyes the whole developing time because of publishers demands and constant changes. They had to retstart the concept numerous times because they couldn't nail neither understand which Deep Silver was forcing upon them. Don't blame Volition.
I bought this for me and a friend last week knowing full well how shit it is, but I'm honestly astounded by the sheer level of shit. The one and only thing I can actually praise this game for is the character creator that lets you upload and download skins
That's a holdover from the previous series...What happened. I used to tell people Saints Row 2 was better than GTA 4
Wait that's the only thing
I haven't been able to upload or download characters every time I played
i did the same about 2 months back and then got a refund. The controls are so odd when aiming too.
I suggest playin a game like saints row 2 if u want some open world fun, DATS worth buyin
I never played SR1, starting from 2. And what i liked about it was how you could attack any faction anytime. It didnt feel set up, like a difficulty rank. "You beat the Morning Star, now heres the Luchadores". SR2 each faction had to hold up on its own in their own ways, rather than just simply being more intense than the last gang you fought. You actually felt like you were dealikg with 3 other gangs.
The larping content in this game is really good unfortunately it has no business being in a gangster game
It feels like the saints in this game should have been an enemy faction instead of the main characters. Like that team building mission would have worked if we were the criminal helping this crew with the heist.
The editing style of Twin Sticks is more consistent than Saints Row itself. You rock once again Twin !
Saints row is a duology 🖕🏼
Everything i loved as a child is a disgrace nowadays.
And not by their original efforts
as kids we enjoyed all these inappropriate games, and games are becoming what can only be described as kid appropriate now that we're all adults, how ironic and saddening
@@tonyshum5569
Very true
that's how commies do it. destroy your past, so you won't have a future
I was dying out of laughter when the screen went black and all of a sudden the message "Gaming industry is doomed" appeared with the happy music.
I did it! I am no longer a moron in this world! WHY IS EVERYONE A MORON BUT ME!?
What a saaad sad game this is... Nobody asked for it, nobody wanted it, nobody bought it and nobody will remember it. This is textbook definition on how to murder and burry a franchise into the abyss.
"The Saints Legacy ends here- not with a Bang, but with a Whimper"
Blackpanthaa and nerdcubed liked it even though they played the older games.
@@quack9355 we will see if it will age well in 10 years or not.
@@RonaldMcVale Both obnoxious TH-camrs but i don't see why would that matter either ways, the game isn't ever talked about, now, is it... Meanwhile lots of older games release before it still been talked about today on a daily basis.
@@RonaldMcVale What's that supposed to mean? You think this game is some sort of wone that will get better the older it get?
You know a game is bad when the entire studio is killed because of it.
But they really should've just worked more on the engine and do a remake of SR1 than anthing.
Would've saved them money AND generate more income. But they were too stubborn and it cost them all of their jobs.
The true final nail was their attacking fans online and basically shooting any remaining good will they had in the face instead of just saying ' we realise this game wasnt what fans wanted and we apologise for this. We are taking criticisms to heart and swear to truly bring back the spirit of the saints in our next game'
They didn't even need to do that.they just needed to not attack people they didnt like. Just do minor damage control, silently take what sales they got, and go from there.
Do i support damage control nonsense? Nope. But that seems like the best option from their viewpoint.
The first Saints Row was so good! And so was 2 but they just ruined it from 3 onwards
@RepCamo
Agree, like I can see why people like 3 and 4 , but they pushed the silly side too much til the point it didnt feel like a saints row game.
1 and 2 had the perfect balance
@@teoteo6185 100%. It’s a shame cause if they followed on from SR1 & 2 we could have a had some really good sequels
This game needing soft aimbot to make the gunplay playable on controller says a lot.
So many FPS multiplayer games have near soft aimbot, says a lot about how outdated exclusively stick aiming is
Recent interviews has some insiders throwing Deep Silver under the bus, citing them as too interfering and the reason the reboot is as it is.
Sounds about right. I struggle to see why the devs would want to go in this direction. Do we really need a Saints Row game to teach us the power of friendship?
I cant blame DS too... since after 2 they really going with goofy route and more being lazy to made great sr...so yeah they trying to show People They are the victim but its not they trying to made DS as scapegoat while in their discord they also dont accept criticism about reboot and ban them instantly with the slaves they had...
I blame Jim boone and the asian dude Dan campbell talk about harassing him and his friends that also enoug get him resign from Volition after 2,and bryan trafficante the high executive one says "SR always being goofy and its never good"
Classic Deep Silver tbh
Volition been trash since da moment da 2010s happened dey took a nose dive
Nah I don't buy it@@TwinSticksReviews it could easily be a higher up trying to cover their asses. Deep Silver is behind Metro Exodus, Corvus and Dead Island 2, all games with dark themes and in case of DI2, dark comedy that isn't afraid to go places, despite being set in LA and having a similar tone. I get that there were a lot of rewrites, but the writers wrote these jokes and thought they were funny, even if the characters are flat, it shouldn't stop them from being funny. Uncharted 1 is a good example of a light hearted tone done right. Blaming it all on Deep Silver seems like the easy route out.
So sad to see that Volition has closed down. This was the wrong project with the wrong people making the decisions. The social team telling fans on Twitter that they were wrong and that if they didn't like the game that was "too bad" was a harbinger of things to come. And I'm betting the person that wrote that tweet isn't even self aware enough to see they were part of the problem that got them shut down. Anyway, great video. Always weird that videos like these almost become a piece of history after a studio gets shut down. If this wasn't recorded the game might have been forgotten completely. Maybe it would be better off that way. Such a shame.
i also remember how i was blocking traffic to see of it was as chaotic in GTA and it is though
i turned on the aggressive npc cheat and shot in the air
the npcs got off their cars and after a fee seconds the entire pile of cars vannished
i was like "this is supposed to be next gen? it should handle all these cars and npcs lmao"
It would not be 'impossible' to patch the entire narrative of the game to not suck... just incredibly impractical to do so.
Not even worth 5 bucks on a steam winter sale. Absolute trash game.
Nah, 5$ for a Complete Edition is more than worthy.
It's not one of the greatest games ever made, but it's not unplayable, lol.
@@raresmacovei8382 no its not why would anyone pay anything for something they most likely wont even play
It’s still a good gameplay loop if you like city takeover types of games, just throw on music and it’s satisfying to complete
One year later, it is still bad.
I don’t play saints row for a moral message about happiness n friendship i play it because i know im the criminal n my job is to elevate my gang by anymeans while having fun that being said every other sr is god tier compared to this garbage
Its not a bad game at all
Far from the worst of 2022 and has tons of content and good gameplay controls now
I've had a blast with it tbh
Turns out Volition wanted to make the reboot a 20/80 of Saints Row 3 over the top with Saints Row 2 more grounded stuff. which considering I thank Saints Row 2 and 3 are the best in the series. God that would have been amazing.
It's the game the Devs intended it to be...It's just not the game everyone else wanted it to be.
I downloaded it on PS plus. Played for 1 hour then deleted it.
This is what happens when you tell your fans to F off, make 18+ games for kids and completely ignore what made the original games so popular.
The original resident evil 3 1999 had a boss fight with a chopper too, i swear every 2000s game had to have a chopper fight somewhere
As bad as the Reboot is its not the reason why the studio shut down it has to do with Embracer group being an incompetent company that tried to rely on Saudi money to save their business. Saints row still sold well it just wasn't recieved very well
It sold well 😂people though the game was not what was advertised on the ads thinking they scrap the idea and when the game release we were wrong
@@purpirekhonestly I knew the game was going to be awful when they released a whole 20 minute customization trailer it was an immediate red flag for me because I saw similar from wwe 2k. The customization isn't even that impressive
It didn’t sell well. Neither did Agents of Mayhem.
@@elvickRULESit sold way better then agents, i believe sr sold around 2 mil copies or so, agents only sold around 200k. I wouldn't say saints row sold well but it basically broke even which was enough to keep the studio from going down. the initial comments about the saudi money was correct. although if the game did way better I imagine embracer wouldn't have closed to the studio.
tldr; did the studio close because of saiunts row? no, was it a contributing factor into why the studio was wrapped up in the mass layoffs? probably
source: I worked at volition on saints row as a 3D artist and was laid off as a result of the closure. Development was a mess and with most things, its usually more complicated then what people think
I think Saints Row should go back to basics, I'm tired of the over goofy nonsense. I want them to focus on creating the gang itself, creating patrols etc would be amazing.
Recently finished playing saints row reboot here, most of the issues after the patches are still present, one of the main issues I've had is the game either removing any attachments I have on my weapons everytime I launch the game or the game would go out of sync and cause the radio to get so low that I mainly have to either mess around with the audio or the volume on my TV and it frustrated the hell out of me so I have the same problem, another problem I've had was during the dlc heist where you had to take a photo of Chris hardy without getting caught, I encountered a glitch where I could not for the life of me take a photo of him because the game doesn't register or let me continue through the mission, i looked everywhere online and I couldn't find any solutions for it that is until I found out I had to not only use the in game phone to zoom the camera but also zoom the game camera itself on the settings.
Volition when they had passion and weren't just cash grabbing sad it went this way when you can see how much passion and love they had for SR1 and SR2
Deep silver told them to make this
@@theoutsiderjess1869 that's totally fair but they were putting out cash grab trash before deep silver with saints row 3
@@theoutsiderjess1869 also agents of mayhem that was utter shit
@@karmitdafruge1Saints row 3 was good tho lmao
@@Audreyana no it wasn't it spit in the face of sr1 and 2 fans.
Dude if you were to take even the lightest hearted speeches in any of the original Saint's Row games and compare it with reboot it doesn't even feel like the same writing staff hell even the 3rd one with your character pretty much Archer style fan boying over Burt Reynolds you could believe that is something that a criminal business person would be like
OG Saint's Row made me a fan of Daniel Dae Kim's voice acting and his acting in general and gave us my favorite Michael Clarke Duncan badass character
The final boss of this reboot is the equivalent of Gnasty Gnorc from Spyro 1
I honestly thought he was the first boss we had to kill him find out he’s in some kind of syndicate and we would fight the real bosses
Aim acceleration is the STUPIDEST thing devs put in games where aiming is a thing. It does nothing to help you aim nor does it ever feel good. REALLY makes you wonder
imma be honest, i kind of enjoyed the game.
bugs aside, it's alright.
Not the Saints Row we all love and remember of course but it's alright, i guess.
can't beat 2 and 3 of course.
Dude, the tone of the SR2 is unmatchable (sadly) it was heart-breaking decapitations, while also throwing poop at buildings 😂😂😂. And the opening song during the menu : "Gansta b:tch" 👌.
Also the personalization was way over any thing available back in 2008, not even the sims 3 (2009) had so many details😮
Playing with the Gentleman of the Row mod, it used songs from The Mix for menus. Will never get 'Out of Touch' out my head lol
me and my mother beat this in co op because i wanted her opinion through the whole game knowing her reaction would be as shocked as everyone else’s, to be honest we finished the game and we still can’t piece together what the story was about.
I find it very ridiculous (in a bad way) that The Nahualli betrays us not because we're a bunch of incompetent kids that know nothing about organized crime and take none of it seriously, but because he's jealous of our friendship and wants it for himself. Sounds like the motivation of a Toby Fox villain.
Deep Silver is the publisher that loves to kill game development studios and game franchises.
WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE RUBBISH STORY DESERVED TO FIRED SMH STUDENT LOAN AND JUST RUBBISH CHARACTERS SHOULD HAVE STAYED WITH THE OG’S AND SAINTS ROW 2 SHOULD HAVE IMPROVED ON IT
Storywise: Rather than starting the Saints. They should of have the characters already part of the Saints and under a liutentant. Your character is not taking over but just getting by with their friends.
I remember when people were speculating that they were college students with student loans to pay. And it made it even better seeing their reactions, knowing they were exactly right with their predictions 😂😂😂. Volition doomed themselves with their decision and the way they lashed out to their community, calling the OG fans “haters” and giving in to a very small minority of people that barely made up like 2% of overall gamers.
At this point Im convinced that the first 2 games were a fluke. If anyone wants to do anything with the Saints Row IP in future and actually cares to listen to the fans for a change, PLEASE just give us a PC port of SR1 and/or proper mod tools for Saints Row 2. Other than that, perhaps its just best to let this IP die.
Excuse me but I found the saints row 3 & 4 even better cause of the fantasy /realism
One thing I can say is I like the map. Santo Illeso is beautiful. I really wish they’d done more with it.
What do you like it? I never played the game, but I love maps lol I've never seen anyone saying anything about the map of this game
@@lucasgraeff5391 I like that it’s a fictional version of southwest region taking inspiration of places like Las Vegas, and New Mexico with some amazing architecture. There’s an active train running through the desert, there’s a slums, a suburbs, downtown area, golf course, a go kart track, a tourist attraction (El Dorado) which like a smaller Las Vegas strip, casinos and all. It’s all beautiful to see, especially at night. The Padilla bridge standing out with its huge loop structure around it. There’s even a bridge that goes under water, funded by Marshall. The Santo Illeso sign that shines in the distance. It’s a lot. Twin Sticks explains it best at 15:51 and 18:07, it’s like an amusement park that you can walk around in but, you can’t ride any of the rides. If only the population density were higher, wildlife roaming around, more accessible buildings to go in and out of, engaging in activities around these structures, like go kart racing and golfing, and being able to rob the train in free roam like we could in Red Dead Redemption, these things would’ve made this map one of the best and most fleshed out maps ever. Unfortunately, it just sucks that the cons of this game out weighed the pros so much that it doesn’t get talked about much. Even I quit playing this game for a while, I decided to give it another go focusing on the positives of this game, and my admiration for the map is what got me back into it. There’s not much to do in it, but it’s it still beautiful to look at.
The map felt and looked very bland & uninspired to me
I also really like the map, I think that was a good choice to have it take place
As a breaking bad/bcs fan, i lowkey got the game for the map… and customization
It's 2 Years later, everything still sucks and sooo difficult to enjoy namely the script but other things too, that's just at the top.
Not gonna lie I saw this coming before it was launched.. now don’t judge me but it was because all the companies working on this game had pride flags throughout all there pfp and social media’s at the time. For some reason I just knew that they would f the game up after that.
Where's Timecop when you really need them?
i still love this game and i'm sorry if someone hates me now and says: "how can you like that shit" i just love the game i hope it continues and before you hate me, i never played a previous saints row
Saints row 2 is elite, how did this happen?
This just feels like a theme nowadays
Saints Row 2 should have been the style and identity they continued with, I think. Freedom to do plenty of ridiculous things, but with a great story with some genuinely heavy beats
The franchise is dead, that's why there's no longer updates to it. It's a shame, it was one of my favourite series of games. Sadly they went out with a failure of a game, in my opinion the story wasn't as interesting, but for me the biggest problem was the lack of content, i finished the game in only 12 hours, which is WAY TOO SHORT.
They were NOT designed to appeal to "the widest possible audience" - that is such a willfully ignorant position. If it was right it would've sold like hot cakes.
Unfortunately patches can't fix badly designed missions and the awful story.
You’re an up and comer, keep up what you’re doing and you’ll get a million subs. Most of the king retrospective channels don’t or rarely post now leaving a lot of want and room for content like yours
i just wanna take the time to point out how much Tomo NAILED the sitcom part lol. i never noticed how its written EXACTLY like it lol. my jaw dropped 😂
I'm still convinced they made this game around 2010ish as a new IP (so not SR) , shelved it and got it out of the drawer and added some SR assets and released it as a SR game.
There is no way this game was made in this decade and started out as a SR game.
so agreed. i thought they totally jumped the shark in sr4 but after gta not having a fleshed out dlc for their story it gave volition the opportunity for a real gripping story about gangs and betrayal and love like in sr2 however they decided to be unapologetic about how shit the game was. its ridiculous
According to some reports, it was Deep Silver who wanted the more young adult humor and tone. Also, since Deep Silver is a European company, they asked Volition to avoid using "gangs" as the protagonists due to Europe not liking to glorify gang culture, so the Saints are treated more as violent entrepeneurs rather than gangmembers.
They also were responsible for PR, meaning it was Deep Silver that pushed back against the game's critics, not Volition's programmers.
You know, taking out the issues with the story concept, pacing, characters, tone, etc, there is still a massive thing that just makes the gameplay feel hollow. The game doesn't let the player fail those "badass" moments. You don't have to be good at the driving to drift well, you can let go of the throttle and hold a drift indefinitely while the game will auto hold the throttle. You can't fail a stunt jump, because even hitting one at 10mph will see your car hit top speed out of nowhere mid-air to fly 150+ feet over obstacles.
The "theme park" comment is completely accurate. The player character is just a person at a theme park, and you know you can't let guests at your park think they are "bad" at your attractions...
Thanks for the reminder to save my cash and not spend it on this garbage. I've been having the urge to play a SR game lately but I think I am just going to play SR3 remastered instead.
It's sad that this is how Volition went out, we all know they are capable of so much more but it is what it is and honestly, I hope the talented devs that were forced to work on this are offered better jobs at other studios where their work can really shine.
Edit: Just found out that even SR3 Remastered has censorship, okay, I'll just save my cash there too and play the uncensored original that I already have in my Steam library :P
Curious, what did they censor in the SR3 remaster? I didn't buy it, I have the original as well lol. I assume it's the fuck machines? Maybe the penetrator bat?
This game would be at least playable if the AI wasnt build on technology from 1950
To call the reboot a Saints Row game is a F+CKING joke it isn't period.
Other than that a great video👍
And greetings from the Netherlands🇳🇱
Jokes are fun
I mean you got to give it to them, the baking guy pronounces macaron in perfect french.
Ah the game that single-handedly buried Volition. It's sad but not entirely unexpected.
this is the worst money I've ever spent in my fucking life
For me Saints Row 2 and 3 are tied for the top spot. The story is far better in 2 but the gameplay of 3 is better by the same margin. I would get frustrated in 2 by having to build up my rep before being able to do actual story missions, whereas in 3 after their initial introduction I wouldn't have to play the side content if I didn't enjoy those missions. The controls of 3, I played on the Xbox 360, also were just set out better.
Next for me would be the first game. This is the one where perhaps the complaint of "it's a GTA clone" could hold water but I felt it did enough to separate it from Rockstar's titles.
The worst for me is Saints Row 4. The super-powers were fun but they also made every other mechanic in the game feel unimportant.
You should have mentioned that the writing is another example of DEI in action. GaymerX is even still advertising that they worked with Volition, even though their work is genuinely with them is one of the reasons the game flopped and their entire company DIED.
can we all agree that them going WOKE in attempt to not offend anyone was part of the downfall? the whole enjoyable part of the old SR series was the adult humor and slight seriousness in the missions that contributed to the plot
Patching up the holes of a trash bag does not mean it's no longer trash.
I got it free on Epic and honestly I'm loving it. Sad to imagine how much better this would have been received if it wasn't so buggy. I definitely have some annoying bugs I force myself to overlook but generally I do love this game. Definitely need to go into audio settings and set most things down to like 40% and keep engines to 100% to even get it to sound reasonable. Its so weird. Luckily I never got that weird audio glitch garbled noise you did.
If you want the TL;DR to save time, skip to 38:24
9:04 in all fairness, this happens in GTAV aswell but like way further away where you can only hear it, not see it. I think it’s kind of funny that you can actually see this happening in saints row though
I actually had a resume from an ex Volition tech reach me yesterday for an IT position. This shall be interesting.
Always a good day when Twinstick releases a video 🔥🔥👌🏾
Thank you man, good to see your still at it and your channels doing well
The biggest issue I see with recent games is that they try to appeal all kinds of players which usually backfires on them.
It's overhated but still mediocre. The story and dialogue have their moments, but fall off after the first few hours. Combat is unsatisfying, as enemies barely react to bullets and explosives. The world is visually appealing, but it's hard to care about it or feel immersed.
It's frustrating. I want to defend this game from the haters. I want to point to something in the game that's actually good, but I can't, because "not bad" is not good.
I got out my measuring cup, and i can assure you that i loathe this game in the correct amounts.
Sooo, it's NOT over hated?
Since launch i was never able to play with a friend for more than 5 minutes. And i still can't. It was literally a birthday gift to play together, and it ended up being money thrown away
So much about the story in this one felt half baked that I can truly believe that the scenario writers were being rushed to the finish line. I always felt that the reveal of who shot and buried the boss at the beginning of the game was likely intended to be based on which lieutenant had the least loyalty to the boss. That might also account for why the final boss fight felt so bland and lacking in character as (had that idea been implemented) they would have had to slot in the least loyal member of your crew. There is a huge chunk of the game in the latter half that feels like missions designed to cement the loyalty of your fellow gang members had that system been in place. Rushed just about describes everything about this game. My secret hope is that some of the main decision makers behind Saints Row 2 get together and create a spiritual successor ala Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night. After the abysmal performance of the reboot I doubt we are going to be getting anymore Saints Row any time soon(if at all).
Me 40 minutes ago: Oh sweet, the Saints Row Remake is being offered for free on EGS! Let's see how the game is like after all the updates and patches.
Me 40 minutes later:
Saints Row 2 and 4 are easily my favorites and even gat out of hell has a few memorable moments despite not being very good and I even tried defending the reboot till after release where the only good part of the game was customization and everything else sucked and even though I enjoy the map the world feels too dead and empty with there being nothing to do
The communiy of Saints Row is huge. Developers had tons of opinions what the fans expected from a new titel. Bute theyve made the complete opposite. Sorry, but they deserve everything and i hope that this is a signal to all other developers / publishers
2:30 You made reviews on saints row 1-3 you say? That sounds good
What timing. I literally reinstalled the game last night to check out the DLC and see if the game had improved
I was mind blown when I saw the final dlc for this game was for larping… it’s like they were speedrunning how to kill their company the fastest
Seems like the 2022 characters were designed to approve to the narrowest possible audience.
who else is here after getting the game for free on epic
yup and i wish i never downloaded it this shit is awful
I remember 10 years ago when both Saints Row 4 and Grand Theft Auto V launched around the same time, IGN did a rap battle style song debating which game was better. Now look at the Saints Row reboot and the trailer for GTA VI, it's like night and day, theirs no debate which one will be better. The reboot was a massive step backwards while GTA VI is probably the most anticipated game since..... well GTA V.
cof gta 6
Plot twist: Volition made this as a satire to how most modern games are bad and the next game they make is a 10/10
That's kind of hard to do when the studio closed down
This game is still awful however when they added cheats to the game the game felt complete to me Im a person who always played saints row with cheats
I'm glad Volition shut down. That's what should happen to developers who shutdown servers for their game unannounced.
Honestly, I enjoyed the game for what it is, but yeah, holy hell is it flawed ,really flawed. Sad that it killed Volition. I have some small hopes that someday another studio can try again, but, my hopes aren't high.
I still found SR 2022 to be better than SR 4. At least SR 2022 gave me unintentional laughs with it's "hello fellow kids" type of writing.
I don't know why but the animation glitching out @ 8:08 made me laugh to tears lol.
It’s still such a baffling release to me. Like they had a fanbase more of 1-2, and a fanbase of the post-3 goofiness. They could’ve targeted either of these audiences, but instead, it really feels like it satisfies neither. It genuinely just feels like it doesn’t know what game it is. That said, I did try it out when it was free on PS+, and as of now it at least *feels* pretty good to play. As much as the older ones, anyway. Mostly, when it’s all working right. It’s really hard to praise without a million asterisks 💀
The most surprising part about this video is the realization that they made DLC for the game .
14:30 seriously what's with that? It's happened to me multiple times, usually whenever I'm having a heavy gunfight and there's a tank involved
The million dollar store was a slap in the face and the karaoke true ending was horrid.
Why didn't they just listen to their fans what the FUCK
That audio distortion issue also happened in Dying Light 2 with early patches