Why Saints Row Failed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- Saints Row was the only real GTA competitor on the market, with the developers having four solid Saints Row games under the belt. After a slow decline in reception, they decided to try something fresh with Saints Row 2022. This new project would end up destroying their entire company...
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Also your analysis is really good. Never been a fan of the series, but I played the first one as a kid and kinda enjoyed it. Sad to see it fail, but that's what happens when a game loses its soul.
@@AlinPrisecaru Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
Also agree that GOG is gud and actually owning your games is gud too
I totally agree with actually owning your games but I couldn’t find any games I am wanting to buy
I really thought you were going to mention the stop killing games campaign at 7:40, specially since you mentioned The Crew.
Crazy how they could've just remastered SR 1 & 2 and had many successful years of joyful gamers, instead they made zoomer gangsters
It wasn’t creative, it wasn’t unique, it definitely didn’t try to push any boundaries gameplay or comedy wise. It didn’t know what it wanted to be. It had nothing the old games had
it tried to appeal to a new market and it failed miserably. The kind of people who play Saints Row game are NOT interested in DEI or P.C. or any other woke crap.
@@Shorty_LickensIf you unironically use the term "woke" please touch grass.
@@Moji55a
Aww does that trigger you?
@@Moji55aSomeone's triggered
@@Moji55awhy? does it make you mad? you must be from twitter
It's clear you put a lot of time into researching this one, but MAN those bright shutter flashes gotta go
Saints Row 2 is still one of my favorite games of all time. Shame how the series ended
It is a shame, But completely unsurprising. The woke crusaders are trying to go after every single game/game franchise out there, So at the end of the day the best thing to do is just to stick to the older games in my opinion.
Ever since they've been pushing woke messages in video games I've been focusing on older games and I've really been enjoying either revisiting the older games that I grew up with (Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress, Bioshock) or visiting older games that I haven't played but have high praise.
any time theres text: WOOSH click WOOOOOSH click
"How did the parent studio go under because of one failed game?"
- It didn't. It went under because of a series of poorly managed choices. The talent that used to exist were gone, or have moved beyond their interests in the past. They then wanted to make games they wanted to create, but players didn't want to play. Lack of leadership and so on. What actually killed the studio was that the Saudi investor pulled out last second which lead to the collapse. They had mismanaged the company to the point the investor was the only hope they had.
And they treated their fans like crap. Don't forget. "Haters gonna hate."
@@MrRAGE-md5rjOh yeah. That one as well.
Just can't include everything because that should be an hour long video.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj That is nothing compared to how the community manager called the customers that dislike or criticize the game "terrorist"
@Cloud_Seeker
This comment, here. The reboot was bad, but it didn't completely destroy Volition; it just gave Embracer Group a good enough and perfectly justified reason to not keep them around.
You went way overboard with the click noises, wooshing logos and single word visuals. Really annoying to watch
Yeah it pissed me off lol, I could barely watch it
Overediting is unfortunately very common now. Its a way to keep attention
Agreed. Had to stop watching because it got too annoying.
Agreed. Sometimes simple is just better man.
Let's be real the saints row reboot appealed to no original fans regardless if they preferred old saints row 1 & 2 or fans of sr3 & 4
It kills me inside, cause apparently they wanted to do like a 70 30 split, of saints row 2 and 3, SR2 story and feel, with SR3 over the top set pieces. Which is perfect for me cause I think 2 and 3 are the best in the series.
Thats what I have been saying the entire fanbase was unhappy
I remember the representative or whatever u call them was literally on twitter arguing with everybody and getting mad at the fans because the fans hated the direction the reboot was going in and pretty much told the fans to fuck off….and they did.. fucked off so bad the company had to close its doors 😅
I remember the Devs saying it gets better after a while trust us. So I thought and hoped that maybe the trailer was a miss direct, maybe after the first mission the camera pulls back and it's Shaundi playing a video game, throwing the controller saying "This sucks" or something equally as witty, but that never happened.
I didn't mind the idea of a reboot, I was even prepared for new characters, I just wasn't prepared for these characters, or the story, or the writing.
If you buy games you dont own them.
Meanwhile... on the pirate bay.
"if thats the case then piracy aint theft"
@@pocketinfinity6733 Excellent point.
But piracy was never theft to begin with. It's unathorised copying. Theft implies the owner is deprived the use of the item.
If your friend has a nice sandhwich, and you use a magic wand to make a copy of it so you can both eat a nice sandwhich together... You haven't stolen his, have you?
Same thing. They call it theft as propogandistic nuspeak. But it's just "unauthorised copying/sharing."
@user-ef5ug6jx5n tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny
Pirates will always justify stealing, Pirates are thieves, there's no argument to justify it
short answer from my point of view: Studio did the exact opposite of what the fans wanted and when it flopped they pikachu faced
“Pikachu face” stop the cringe
@@kb9242 its true tho
@@Sharpzee can you not say shocked?
@@kb9242 no because that wouldnt trigger people XD
@@Sharpzee well congratulations on being cringey mate
Short answer: Cuz its a half baked potato
Cuz its a potato at room temperature
It's a beet they're trying to convince you is a potato, and if you insist it's a beet they'll go online to publicly shame you for calling them out.
Also you're a bigot.
It’s a ginger posing as a potato
I thought their non existent “modern audience” was the majority? How could’ve this happened? NO ONE saw it coming! 🤣
11:00 “Appeal to Millennials”, hmm…
How old are Millennials again? 28 to 43 years old?
Zoomer doesnt know that he is a zoomer and still thinks he is milennial.
Exactly. People born from 1981 to 1996 are Millennials, so the youngest Millennials right now are 28. I get it's also a term used for woke effeminate losers who spend too much time on Twitter, but the characters in the reboot are meant to be Zoomers, like 21 to 24.
@@robertnomok9750I don’t think millennials are in their 40s yet
You make a good film but then mess it up with all the click click click.
Saints Row V felt like Watchdogs 2, but no hacking and somehow worse.
I don't want a new saints row, I just want that saints row 2 official patch to finally come out
My saints row wish list
Bring Saint Row I to PC
Fix Saints Row 2 on PC and include all the Missing content/DLC
make the multiplayer work again on the old ones for local play or something like that
and after all of that lets the series rest in piece, cause we got all the best things preserved
An official port of Saints Row 1 would be dope yes, but I think you can play it through an emulator on PC rn.
RIP IdolNinja.
I was planning to actually watch this one (as opposed to listen to it in the background like I do with most video essays on youtube, haha) but for some reason I find the editing style in this video very jarring. I'm only 4 minutes in but the fact that every 30 seconds there is a sequence where you just show a single word at a time over a moving background while you talk is giving me a huge headache. Really unfortunate because I have some truly amazing and terrible memories playing this series and I was looking forward to seeing some nostalgic footage. 😅
Yeah, don't forget about the awful stock "camera shutter" K-SNAP sound EVERY time the scene changes, somewhere around 28 times per minute.
He tries to appeal now to the TikTok audience.
I honestly would like a another game so the Saints Row IP doesn’t lay to rest with such a shit show of a video game reboot but at the same time how in the hell does one come back from such a huge disaster? Especially how cocky and arrogant the marketing team acted in the Twitter comments of fans like “haters gonna hate” and that one dev making the “Quit having fun” meme being completely tone deaf about the situation of the game.
But we can just pretend it never existed and say the series set sail to the sunset after 4. :)
remake saints row 2
@@frameratereel8531 Not happening and dont expect the people that worked at Volition to do it because they do not care and the old people have moved on.
The reboot failure has pretty much sealed the death of saint's row as a franchise
The atrocious failure and deplorable attitude of the devs and marketing team has pretty much guaranteed that the franchise won't be getting touched again
@@vallarfaxgamingI remember thinking Volition lost it when they made AOM and didn’t think it could get any worse but boy was I wrong…SR is dead at this point and it’s a shame because we told them what we wanted and then when the game failed they blamed us as the fans.
SR2 will forever be the height of the series for me.
please no flash cuts. cant watch rhe video at night because of this
just sleep
I really wish everyone in entertainment (movies, tv, games) would realize that sometimes the story is told. You don't always need a new entry in a series.
Basically, it was shit in every sense of the word.
I miss Johnny GYATT
Because no one wants to play a gangster game where everyone is a hipster liberal who works at Starbucks
My thoughts exactly! People often use video games (And movies, TV shows, Et cetera.) as an escape from modern problems, Either within their lives or in the greater world. And when you try to even corrupt those escapes then people will not be pleased with the results, And it's starting to show due to how many people are showing their displeasure by voting with their wallets.
@@FrederickTheAnon14WThere's something very fundamentally flawed about people requiring and using video games centered around gang violence and the likes (or war, assassination etc) as 'escapism'.
But they didn’t work at Starbucks
The main character was basically a private cop
The chick worked for the Mexican gang
The cook worked with the light up crew
And the black dude was freelance
Nobody worked at Starbucks
10:15 Didn’t know Nina Williams from Tekken guest starred in Saints Row 3 😂
LMAO
To me, the series died at 4.
Like what is the point in getting any cars? Your powers from the start will outdo them all.
What is the point in getting a gun? Your powers will outdo them all. From. The. Start.
Why do any of the story? Sorry to say, but no matter what you do, the end will always be the same.
In my opinion, SR4 was really good BUT it was 🤏 close to be great - like imagine if in the end it was all somehow a wild ahh trip Boss had and you return to "normal" or sum like that
Thank you for a video on Saints Row franchise. I started with 3 and loved it.
Sad how far it fell with the reboot.
Also yes I would love to see a video on the failed Agents of Mayhem game.
when i got saints row for free on epic i thought fr that it was a joke
I honestly feel that they should’ve remastered the first and second saints row games and then worked on a new game based on how those remasters were received.
Mainly the first one because it’s only on the Xbox 360
I really enjoy your videos but you overdid it with the „flashbang“ cuts imo. All love tho (:
I do recall that I enjoyed SR3 and SR4 quite well.
SR3 is just a funny game, and SR4 actually scratched that Prototype itch a bit lol.
"Contemporary", the BIGGEST red flag of any media looking for an audience.
10:14 why is nina williams from tekken there
BTW steam doesn’t take away your game if it becomes delisted that is a total lie
but they can if they want to
Well, I have a hard time feeling sympathy.
They split the fanbase with SR3 and since then, one half of the fanbase, including me, told them time and time again to go back to the roots with the 90's gang culture. And what did we get? Aliens, Hell, Agents of Mayhem and the Reboot.
i have saints row cause epic gave it out for free, never played the other games, is it worth installing and giving it a try or would it just be a waste of time?
I loved Saints Row 2. It's a game I still like to go back and play every once in a while. I spared myself the torture of playing Saints Row 2022. I would still like to see a new Saints Row game. More so a reboot of the first two games, if that's possible. Just use the same world. Make the cities more robust, allow for more NPC interaction, accessing more buildings, newer vehicles. The game already had a good assortment of weapons.
10:14 What's Nina doing there? Didn't know she could travel between worlds
It's because Saints Row IV was so bad that eveything that could come out after it couldn't change the conversation about it
Should have Made sr4 and goh a movie inside the sr universe, Like Gangsters in Space in SR3 and started from there.
People often use video games (As well as movies, TV shows, Et cetera.) as an escape to the issues they face (Whether that be in their own lives or in the greater world), However when you start to go after these aforementioned escapes to corrupt and try to push an agenda that people trying to escape by participating in said escape then it utterly infuriates people and causes them to either boycott your product or simply stick to playing older games (Or both, Especially).
So that is why Saints Row (And in extension all games/movies/TV shows that push a political/Leftist narrative) failed, Because people didn't want a game about some gangster Liberals who try to crusade against things they don't like and people they don't agree with.
Man the "go woke go broke" bullshit has been proven wrong time and time again what people and audiences really dislike is bad writing as opposed to leftist messages. While those things can sometimes overlap they are not the same thing. Along with that not all media needs to escapist fantasy devoid of political messaging. With games especially it's more about the level you as a player engage with those themes. You can choose to treat very political games like fallout new Vegas and bioshock as fun sci-fi action games whereas people like me choose to think about the themes and political messages, and id argue neither of these approaches are necessarily right or wrong
Bro's upset that a game couldn't help him forget that gay people exist. Lol, look man not sure why you're so upset that this one game doesn't let you "escape reality," as if there aren't hundreds of thousands of other games that allow you to do the same thing. Oh no, this game took only your own form of escapism against the scary rainbow people. Now you're gonna starve.
There are so many other "apolotical gems with no agendas" you could play instead, like Fallout, Bioshock, or Helldivers 2. Don't worry, everything will be alright in the end. ALL woke communist left-wing SBI propaganda made by jews fail miserably and make no money. Everybody knows that. That's why Baldur's Gate 3, The Last of Us: Part 2, and Insomniac's Spiderman 2 all famously collectively sold seven copies.
Loved Saints Row 3. It was so over the top dumb- I loved it. Super dumb, over the top nonsense.
I remember Saints Row 4 getting announced and being kinda excited for it, remembering the dumb antics of the 3rd game and being like 'How are they going to beat the gang wars stuff?'
Aaaaand.... then they showed aliens and such which wasn't super interesting for me back then. It was also a time where I stopped preordering due to games not being great so I thought I'd wait aaaand I saw Zero Punctuation talking about it... and they mentioned you're actually captured by the aliens and put in like- a virtual world which is why you have super powers and I totally lost all interest instantly as I really don't like that trope. It just feels weirdly pointless- I'm sure you get out the simulation and such but at the time me and my friends just totally lost interest in it, thinking it might be trying too hard to be whacky and went on to play other games (We also had like, little to no money so- had to be picky)
Gat out of hell interested me as I like hell themes but- there was something about it that didn't feel like it should be a full game and weirdly didn't pull me in. I think hearing about it being a DLC that turned into a full game turned me off a bit as it was at a time where DLC stuff started to feel weird and greedy- it also felt like it wasn't Saints Row anymore as the fun part of Saints row 3 was building the gang up again, getting unlocks and such. There were plenty of action games with hell themes around that I already played.
Then... yeah, the reboot made some sense but it didn't look really interesting.
Such a bummer.
Please do the video about agents of mayhem, that game had so much potential but it was a victim of deep silver greed.
How was it a victim of Deep Silver?
One of the biggest problems I have with the reboot is that enemy gangs still spawn in claimed territory
We need a indie studio to make a Saints row like
The fix could have been easy and still can be done. Make games 3 and 4 a dream where Gat wakes up and realizes his girl is still dead. Have you - the player - trying to keep The Saints together, while also trying to get Gat out of his depression to help with the fight. In the game you play as you - the player - and also Gat in a few depression levels. And all DLC will be Gat's struggle with depression, mental issues, and just being a sociopath.
God i'm so happy im subscribed. PLEASE make a video on agents of mayhem
To be fair, Agents of Mayhem wasn't supposed to be Saints Row at first,
but Deep Silver and Sony (wanting Johnny Gat added) said otherwise.
3 was where the loss of identity started as Lazerzz pointed out. It was about gang warfare but the characters took it seriously and at 3 they stopped taking it as seriously where the MC literally references being unkillable. This said the stakes kinda drop even after watching Gat get stabbed who later comes back in 4. That said 2 people were dying left and right. No-one except Gat and the boss truely thought they were the shit but rightfully so they were both monsters. And even then they still watch carlos and aisha get murdered. Just go watch the brotherhood cutscenes and tell me that any of the other gangs after 2 had that level of depravity. Better yet ill refer you back to LazerzZ's Saints Row Retrospective
Saints Row franchise perfectly encapsulated the typical office composition 'evolution' of most surviving dev groups today; a team, initally founded and helmed by passionate geeks and nerds(SR1, SR2), only to be taken over by corporate dudebros(SR3), until those where slowly supplanted, and killed off by hipsters(SR4,AoM,nu-SR).
It was also woke rubbish and Sweet baby inc. had their claws in it.
Dude im sorry but the camera click sound transition is really annoying, maybe make it muted in the next video?
I played this game recently, the 2022 reboot, finished the story I can tell you guys, the game feels like watching a disney channel sitcom with curse words to sound edgy for teenage audiencies I guess (? Not recomended at all unless you are desperately waiting for gta 6 and already played most of the style of games tbh
please go ahead and make that agents of mayhem video, would've appreciated that info being included in this one, but ad revenue is a bitch and i get that
I'd play a remastered series of Saints Row 1-3 but as long as that don't sanitize it.
Saints Row was never a serious rival to gta. i've heard some dumb things in youtube videos, but this is a new low
idk its 2024 now but no one ever played anymore after SR2
i remember pirating sr3 and forgetting the series
Volition pretty much told the fans to fuck off for wanting the old formula back and they did….so hard volition had to close its doors 😂😂😂
I really liked the game as much as the other saints row games, if you start the game with negativity in mind you are gona hate prety much everything.
The problem is that you are not the same person when SR3 released,you are older,humor doesnt effect you that much, you find things cringy etc.
-change my mind.
For the sponsor segment, i wish you say executives instead of developers. In the end, in power dynamic, its the exccutives that make the final decision even of the developers don't like it
I'm one of the ten people who played it. It's not that bad. After so many patches the gameplay can be fun. If you play on the hardest difficulty that is.
Gat out of hell was good only because i played scatman john music in the background while playing 😂
I got it free on PS Plus and remenber the game telling me how to get money and one way was drug staches, boxes on People rooftops for some reason, before this I was already pissed with the game and when I went to grab the drugs, literally 3 or 4 houses all close to one another all with the same crates models and just one was collectible. It just broke me, I unistalled it immediatly.
Watson needs to have a memorial in game
Not a fan of the speedy editing, especially the moments with the one word subtitles. I'd much prefer seeing more game footage.
I'm sad at the design choices for the latest saints game. Saints 1-4 was really fun and hilarious.
Replayed SR1+2 over this last winter. Good times. SR3 wasn't terrible but they started going overboard with the goofiness I think. I really liked the gang warfare aspect of SR2; I wish they did more with it.
It's funny, u know, the game that put that company on the map was the one that took it down in the end, a full circle
There was certainly a lot of potential when the game was announced, it's a shame they went the direction they did. When the fanbase was voicing their opinion about the game on social media I remember Volition responding to them with comments such as "Don't play the game then".
Guess they got what they wanted?
Saint's Row (2006) - Saint's Row: Gat out of Hell are true Saint's Row games, Wacky, Fun, and a Chaotic Sandbox. Even though SR: 4 and Gat out of Hell were the most off the track and made people have doubts for SR in the future. I may not like SR:4 and Gat out of Hell as much as SR (2006) - SR: The Third. I will still play them because in my eyes, they are still True Saint's Row games.
Don't get me started on the Saint's Row Reboot, I feel scammed by it since I bought the most expensive pre-order edition. I finished the game in less then a week, and deleted it. Never played it again to experienced the DLC. Honestly the worst game to come out that year.
RIP Mike "IdolNinja" Watson
We lost one of the best community managers in of all history. A man who genuinely cared about the Saint's Row IP.
I was one of those unfortunate people that got Agents of Mayhem. I agree Saint's Row 4 should have been the last main title. Deep Silver and Volition shot themselves in the foot by not trying something new. Sure, Agents of Mayhem was kind of new, but the game is so weird and nothing close to what we know they can accomplish. I hope everyone is doing well and the game devs that actually cared are able to keep working on other games
This is what happens when you have no idea what made the previous titles successful, and what those fans desired. After every project, it is important to pause and reflect on what went right. Clearly, the new game was rammed through with bad intentions and no care.
Short answer : it failed cos it was a bad game
I loved sr2 and sr3/4 was an absolute banger for me. I don’t know what the heck they were thinking here.
Not to mention the Half-Assed Shave haircut
3 and 4 definitely jumped the shark and I absolutely loved them both 🙂
is it bad that i really enjoyed gat out of hell when i was younger
GTA was not at all about realism in any 3D game except for 4, that’s just a story we tell to explain the difference in the franchises. The truth is people who liked one just bought the other as well.
they should have made it like gta online the added other gameplay modes like factions where u can create a crew with people that can fight in a battle royale mode or other pvp modes with rankings.
Saints Row has never been a lost cause, it was Volition who was a lost cause, it was filled with developers who didn't want to make a proper Saints Row game, who really think that SR 1,2&3 are "products of their time" and that we can't have games like this being made anymore, because those developers have become sensitive little snowflakes who have to virtue signal how "progressive" they are to their far left extremist cult members.
I honestly feel bad for the team members who just wanted to work on a real Saints Row game, and not an awful piece of failed political propaganda.
*its not too late for SR. Plaion owns the rights so we could still see an F2P level to level shooter or something* 👍
Saints Row 2 patch is all we need
As someone that played the first Saints Row either late 06 or early 07 i was very very hooked and fell in love with saints row 1 and the second one just made the series even better but in my opinion and in my eyes there are only 3 saints row games..1,2 & 3 after 3 it got WAY too goofy for me. It really sucks how they ended saints row.. doesn't seem right but it is what it is i guess.
When you spend months telling the fan base that got the game up to that level, that they are not the people is aimed at, or even wanted as fans, then I have no idea how you can pull a shocked pikachu face when it tanks. Playing SR2 on the 360 when it came out in co-op really was the height of the series, 3 was damn fun, 4 was a great super hero game, just not really SR. Like there really was not a great deal they could do, they had painted them selves in to a corner so a reboot was fine but man... not the way to do it. Honestly I really wish they had kept on the patch so playing SR2 on pc was more user friendly so more people could see it.
There definitely were better ways to handle a reboot let alone they even had time travel in SR4 where they could have just backtracked before the earth was destroyed. SR2 was the best but the entirety of 1-4 was fun nonetheless however I still wish they actually gave us a better revenge on Dex which imo was just terrible writing.
Good Video but please get rid of flash cuts, My eyes hurt haha
Saints Row reboot wasnt terrible. The people who hate it are just obnoxiously loud.
The only thing i felt killed the reboot was the bad pacing in the campaign. The characters were fun and had great dynamics, but could've benefitted from a more structured story that focused on the characters interpersonal relationships with each other while being in rival gangs which i thought would've been the premise of the game in the beginning but deviated from that narrative very quickly.
When’s the next rags to riches darkrp episode dropping??
Volition could win fans back if they made a good game. I think an actually fun and playable product could turn back even the worst haters.
But yeah, I wanna hear about Agents of Mayhem next!
It failed because it should’ve stayed like SR1 and SR2 was, except build on that and improve it.
Yes I want an agents of mayhem video
I would love to see saints row make a big come back
I'm glad it failed. They tried pushing the message. So I'm glad our message that their game was shite and a bastardised version of what came before. I'm happy with the result.
Even as someone who's never played a Saints Row game, besides Gat Out of Hell for some reason, I stand firmly by against this crap. It's been infecting everything lately and it's exhausting.
Honestly, what pisses me off more is that those who love media like that always mock those who complain about butched stories. Like, don't they realise that most good stories' first priority is to entertain you and the message is a close second priority?
Reason #1 - By shitting on the fans and telling them they don't know what they like.
Reason #2 - Everything else they did.
We need a new True Crime game I think Activison has the money and resources to compete with GTA now.
I'm an old grognard.
I thought that Saint's Row 2 was where it peaked. You had the action movie main story which could jump to some over the top levels, but the setting was just realistic enough that you had to worry about the cast not making it.
And you got all the goofy silly gameplay for the side jobs for all the funny stuff.
Saint's Row 3 lost a lot of the charm and good writing ("Hey, let's kill off Johnny Gat offscreen, everybody will love that!") and started doubling down into the absurdity. Which worked for some people, but it felt like we'd jumped the shark in the Second game.
Four and everything after just tried to go fully on insanity which, again, worked for some people but there wasn't really stakes anymore. You're fighting an intergalactic race of aliens in reality while living in the matrix and now you're a superhero.
Honestly, if they turned around and said "We want to do something like Saint's Row 2" I'd be cautiously optimistic.
But let's be honest, after that last game? Nobody would show up to buy.
They should of just remastered the 1st one and added more content
Started with Saints Row IV, without any prior knowledge of the series, really liked it
Went back to SR 2 and 3 to understand who all these characters were, really liked them too.
I was one of the few who liked Gat out of Hell
Was keeping open mind for new SR, but it was just... wrong in all the ways.
It's stilwater* anyone with the series close enough to the heart knows the correct spelling.