Hopefully at some point in real life they discussed horses. That would have broken part of the awkwardness between the two. Both were enthusiastic equestrians.
@@doctorderpage2848 She only had one husband, Antony Armstrong-Jones, royal photographer, 1st Earl of Snowdon due to the marriage. They were married between 1960 and 1978. (It was the first British royal divorce since I think Henry VIII?!) They were cheating on each other all the time, she was partying a little too hard, and both of them were eccentric addicts who were very toxic in the marriage. He remarried the same year, but divorced in 2000 due to affairs and an illegitame son. He also had an illegitimate daughter just before becoming engaged to Margaret. So yeah, pretty interesting story.
@@bridgecross I'm not sure if Jackie spoke with a Boston accent, but the actor who plays her husband does a dreadful job. It's a shame because otherwise he's a great actor.
@@colleenporter1119People love mysteries, enigma and the unknown. Someone who is too "out there" too much soon loses what appeal they might have; be too aloof and people are put off, but find, and maintain, the right balance of mystery and, albeit limited, accessibility, and legends are born. Of course, it also helps tremendously, to have an upper class background, and boatloads of cash (discreetly handled) help.
2:41 The Queen sits on the sofa, then Jackie just parks her rump on the arm rest. Despite the similarities they shared just moments ago, they are still very different people. Mind you, Jackie makes parking one's rump on the arm rest very elegant.
@@miriamhavard7621 oh, of course it’s fictionalised. I meant it as a story-telling device: Liz seated on the sofa and Jackie on the armrest. Two very similar but different people.
Jackie loved antiques too much to sit on an armrest. The most fragile part of the chair are it’s arms. One would never pick up an antique chair by its arms, simply because the weight would cause the arms to break. Anyone who is seriously interested in antiques knows this.
It's not perfect. The younger real Elizabeth's accent was a bit unusual, and something my English mother used to mimic exactly when she wanted to make people laugh "Mai husband and ai .....". Normally Mum spoke BBC English, which is what the actress in this case is speaking. What this scene is showing is the Queen seeking to put Jackie at ease and establish a rapport with her - something that the real Queen was very good at, for a royal, although The Crown portrayed it not so good.
Far from perfect. Claire Foy nails the formality of the accent but there’s a sharpness and shrillness to it that doesn’t reflect the softness of Her Majesty’s QEII’s accent. Not to mention that Claire’s accent stands out like a sore thumb relative to Vanessa Kirby’s portrayal of Princess Margaret, or other Royals for that matter: she sounds like someone with a posh accent grossly exaggerating the post accent for amusement. For the first season it’s very different to everyone else around her in the Royal family, which makes no sense.
Totally agree with you. Shut your eyes and it could be the real late queen talking. Out of the three actresses who portrayed her, Claire Foy embodied her the most in my opinion.
I can't believe for a moment that, in real life during a formal visit to Buckingham Palace (as opposed to how this scene was depicted), Jackie Kennedy would EVER dare to lounge herself so informally on the edge of Queen Elizabeth's private quarters sofa when the Queen invited her to sit and the Queen properly sat on the cushions of the facing sofa !!! Jackie carried herself with impeccable manners and would NEVER present herself so casually and classlessly as that, nor would she ever do anything to embarrass the U.S. that way.
Artistic license. It's a shame many treat The Crown as a doco when it's never been anything but a heightened biopic like any other. It's to illustrate their differences in a clearly visual way that's easy to understand for the viewer with the hopeful understanding that you wont actually think she was so informal IRL lol.
I agree! And I don't think she would have done a "Diana" and blathered how much her life was like being in a "goldfish bowl".. I can't imagine her being that casual with the Queen. And given how Jackie was very much about history, legacy , conservation and connection between America and England, she would not have been like an awkward gawky girl. She would have been very observant and astute in her tour of the Palace by the Queen. One wonders if that tour inspired her when she sought to preserve the history of the White House. Despite what the press has promoted, the Queen and Jackie Kennedy Onasis did have a cordial relationship, the Queen being only 3 years older than Jackie.
@@creativewriter3887 Many thanks @creativewriter, @miriamhavard, and @carolinebcollier. I believe @creativewriter is 100% spot-on as well with fine additional observations (e.g., blathering on about the "difficult 'goldfish bowl' life and behaving like "an awkward, gawky girl") ... NO WAY Jackie as FLOTUS would have behaved that way in general -- let alone with the Queen, and let alone in the early 1960s !!! One other thing struck me that I hadn't mentioned in my original post, but I'll include it now since you discussed the Jackie actress' behavior during the hallway tour. I seem to recall one point in the video where Queen Elizabeth II was supposedly showing and describing (a) specific painting(s) to Jackie, yet Jackie was ignoring her and daydreaming about a different portrait before asking the Qieen about it in the midst of the Qieen's rhetoric ... There is also NO WAY that Jackie as FLOTUS would have ever been so rude to the Queen. As for @goober479, thanks for your comments as well, but I respectfully disagree with respect to an overarching point. I don't buy the simplification of these ridiculous depictions of Jackie's behavior as mere "artistic license." I think it's LAZY and THOUGHTLESS writing and directing to have the actress portray Jackie that way. The writer and director were either clueless and lazy to properly research how people in high places behaved in those times (and how Jackie in particular carried herself as FLOTUS) ... OR the writer and director were intentionally trying to create an "alternative [false] reality" of the Queen and FLOTUS in the early 1960s. I also believe that creators of these biopic series DO very much attempt to convince the public that THEIR depiction of the subject matter is indeed "REAL" and "ACCURATE." All the more reason to avoid lazy and foolish depictions of historical personages.
i can't get over this episode and how close the costume designers got Queen Elizabeth II's dress and Jackie's dress down to the T. One of my favorite episodes of season 2
Jackie was well-bred old society but pretty much penniless. Jack was newer money and lots of it, needing a well-bred wife to look more respectable to the old money set. Maybe they did love each other, but it was as much a merger as a marriage.
Yes and no. She loved her privacy and her "me time" in Glen Ora, etc. Sometimes, Jackie would even avoid formal events and be replaced by her close relatives and Lady Bird Johnson, so this depiction of her is very accurate.
This is not Jackie. She would never have exposed herself so openly to someone that she having just met. This conversation is too intimate for the situation.
I agree. I once read a story about Jackie and how she always let other people she met speak about themselves. She had a way of making them feel comfortable and didn't make the conversation about herself, and that's why people were drawn to her. I don't believe Jackie would've whined like this to the Queen. Not the Jackie O. I've read about.
Can't imagine this open an exchange coming from an introverted, cripplingly shy person. Seems that she'd keep her life and experiences with her husband to herself rather than share them, especially ones that would be humiliating to her.
@@audreyrose1952 Did the writers on this show know her? They can portray her any way they want to. Just going from what I read about her many years ago, I don't believe that they portrayed her accurately. None of us know the truth, but I seriously doubt that Jackie O. had that kind of conversation with the Queen.
And the queen came out of that interaction believing she had made a new friend, whilst Mrs. Kennedy went back home to talk shit about her and the palace lol
@@miriamhavard7621 Not just fictionalized. A lot on this show is, but this particular part may have very well been true according to Cecil Beaton and many close people to the Kennedy's. Multiple people reported Mrs. Kennedy bad mouthing the crown once she went back; I highly doubt they're all lying
@@MegaThucydides Jackie had a gorgeous openness to her face. Widely spaced eyes made her look coy and child-like. Lee looked typical. pretty, but quite usual. Boring. Hard to match Jackie's unique attractiveness.
@@MegaThucydidesLee was not conventionally beautiful. Yall like her cuz she’s “old money” and represents a bygone era but objectively speaking she was rather skeletal looking with bad, Bucky teeth and thin lips. Not desirable at all.
@@christinec2625 I get that but this scene was pretty awkward considering they just met and Jackie is basically revealing all her personal thoughts and feelings. Like who talks like this after just meeting someone, let alone the queen.
@@shadysorkin9214 Jackie would NEVER have done a "Diana" with anyone, much less the Queen. I mean, there were magazines and newspapers who couldn't get an interview with her or even anything about her private life. For her to just do a cerebral regurgitation is something no one would have done, much less Jackie.
@@NatalieRabuzin she was born in Southhampton and the family’s estate was in Easthampton. Split time between Manhattan and LI. Feel free to read her autobiography; I really doesn’t matter in terms of her NY accent...
I've never seen any actress do justice to the role of Jacqueline Kennedy save Natalie Portman. Not a knock on anyone's performance. She was just so singular. Hard to embody.
It didn't have a feel of accuracy. Jackie Kennedy would have been way more subtle. And she knew her way around protocol. And that the Queen was quite a reserved person. She would not have presumed to speak so casually, to my thinking.
I see some people being unkind to Jodi Balfour's performance but I thought she did a lovely job playing the soft spoken Jackie O. With all biographical adaptations, there are liberties taken. This simply shows that Jackie was comfortable being open and vulnerable to another woman, whereas Elizabeth struggled with it. Perhaps it wasn't spot on, but it paints a decent picture of two women in different positions of power with some obvious differences and not so obvious similarities.
This is not how I imagine Jackie to behave with members of royalty or anyone for that matter. This is a very weak and timid depiction of someone who had more ambition and gravitas than is shown here.
I want an entire fantasy series of Jackie O and QE2 becoming best friends after this moment and just following them around. I know the crown went in another direction. But I wanted these two to be best friends so badly.
Me too. After seeing this clip. I just wanted QE2 to have a best friend so much. I need to watch the whole series... but sometimes the writing, and Claire Foy's acting, give me SO much about a story, the clip feels so satisfying. Still--- best friends would have been awesome.
Reality went in that direction also, they were not fond of one another. Some say the Queen was jealous of the attention Jackie commanded, others say she just found her insufferable.
Jackie and her sister Lee were brought up in rather strange and stressful circumstances. They were the 'poor' relations in a wealthy family and their mother instilled in them the need to get in with the in crowd at all costs, even their closeness as sisters. Neither was seen as privately happy people but Lee was the more warm and gregarious. Jackie had a brittle coldness to her that few could penetrate.
As though that would ever happen. Royals look down their noses at everybody. She would see Kennedy as well beneath her in every way and would have to marshal every ounce of patience to stand giving her a tour.
They made this scene look like Jackie was self absorbed, uninterested in what the Queen was saying and interested only in talking about herself. The Queen was gracious and accommodating.
You can't expect Americans to be fascinated by the intricacies of The Firm. Before The Crown, I did not give a hoot about the British royal family, now I care, and I want Prince Harry deported back to England. Also, the Queen of England wasn't famous for talking about herself, so what was Jackie supposed to do? Talk about horses and dogs? She doesn't care for such things.
@@blucolife Speak for yourself. Americans have always been fascinated by British royalty, and there are many, many Americans who detest Harry and that wife of his, and would like to see them gone.
@@genxx2724 When Princess Diana died, I was pissed off because I was watching Saturday Night Live, and they interrupted my show over breaking news about some Princess I did not care about back then, and I imagine many people felt the same way. Watching The Crown has made me realize what a beautiful person Diana was. My point is we don't get the same reportage you guys get in Britain. You speak Crown like a first language, we barely know who Fergie is, or why William is "Wills" in The Windsors (love that show). Some of us can name every Kardashian, but ask me to name the children of William and Kate, and I have no idea. Our celebrities have to earn our attention. Royals are born with attention. I agree that many of us hate Harry and Meghan, specially after that Netflix documentary- most boring documentary I have ever watched. Frankly, I prefer the old Harry, the womanizer, big game hunter, the one who dressed like a Nazi for Halloween. He was funny and authentic. This Harry with his ridiculous hipster beard is BORING.
The character of Miss Jackie is being portrayed as weak, vulnerable and unsure. Whereas Her Majesty never waivers in her strength and demeanor, no matter who she meets.
This scene saddens me. Because they seem to have quite a good connection and later in the series, Jacky says quite awful things about the Buckingham Palalce and the Queen.
Well, let's see who lived longest and is more respected around the world... never cheated on her husband or lived with a married man at her death....Queen you rock....Jackie O played everyone
This is such a great imagination of their meeting, but Jackie 100% wanted to be married to JFK. This “I’m shy” and don’t want the spotlight is kinda factually incorrect, she did like the spotlight and there’s enough written about how she and her family made sure she ran in the right circles for this marriage. But I think like many women- they get what they want and realize it’s not as great as they thought it would be. Very much like Diana, who wanted to be a princess and instead got a nightmare.
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Jackie was no modern debutant. She ragged on the revolting Sammy Davis Jr bringing his white wife to the inaugeral ball. JFK kept Sammy out. Sinatra was appalled.
No you didn't miss one. They wrote it as if Jackie went back to the US, and just talked ish about Queen Elizabeth. I don't believe that actually happened though.
I love how Claire makes the queen looks slightly uncomfortable due to tight dress. Not enough to show something, but you can see how she keeps her posture unnaturally.
Mariska Hargitay, the actress from Law and Order SVU always reminded me of Jackie Kennedy. I don’t think any of the actresses that have portrayed her have done a great job.
Jackie displays bad manners throughout her ‘tour’ in her distance, indifference and coldness towards her host. The Queen points out a portrait of her ancestor but Jackie rudely ignores this and instead focuses on the opposite wall on a handsome past Prime Minister most likely knowing well who he was. She did it to disarm the Queen and to show contempt for the Queen’s aristocratic, royal background. The Queen has nothing to prove whilst Jackie’s display of indifference would indicate an effort to show she is just as good and not impressed by anything she is shown. Apparently Jackie was dismayed when she traced her heritage and found her French ancestors were not the aristocrats she had hoped for whilst her mothers Irish heritage she ignored, happy to leave her husband to the Irish.
Elizabeth trying to talk about George III to the wife of the President of the USA ... she instead want's to talk about the Prime Minister who still under George III rejected the advice of Lord North who was Prime Minister when the US declaration of Independence happened, and stopped being PM shortly before the Treaty of Paris was signed ending the War ... They are being subtle ...
John F. Kennedy was one of our best presidents. Taken too soon from us. Some people forget that the idea of sending a man into space all the way to the moon, began with him.
Bits of accuracy are tossed into the show, but private dialogue can only be guessed at. Same is true for body language. The real Queen was a consummate actress in public, but we can never know how she was in private. But self control has always been a mark of good breeding in the upper classes and royalty of England.
Memoirs and reports of friends, leftover letters, etc do exist between them. They were friendly for a long time- they shared interests in horseriding, dogs and their children. They weren’t super close- kind of like a penpalship. Reports from courtiers dispute that she was jealous of Jackie, but we can really never know that bit. Based on social diaries we know they had a couple meals together, etc etc. That’s about all we know for sure :)
@@LisaG442she was the same in private. People like the Queen, it carries over. She is formal by definition. There is no public/private version. Only QEII That’s one of the things that’s Megs said shocked her the most. That the formality of the Prince and Princess of Wales carried over from public to private. Aristocracy like that is rigid. The rules apply at all times, not just when the drapes are up and the cameras on.
Very strange acting or directorial choice to have Jackie sit on the arm of the sofa. Is this to telegraph cultural or social class differences? Or is it a visual metaphor to show Jackie literally in a higher position to message that Elizabeth finds her intimidating? It's unthinkable that Jackie would do something like that due both to her own refined, rather formal background, and also the protocols she was familiar with as a politician's wife. It's also unthinkable their either of these women would reveal so much about themselves to someone they didn't know. What does seem believable is that Jackie was not that impressed with the palace--I've read that in a number of sources--and that both Lee and Princess Margaret would have been more comfortable as First Lady and Queen.
Never seen The Crown, but two obvious things jump out at me. Queen Elizabeth's dress is very odd on the top, like she is wearing a sundress of sorts. The original dress did not include those denim-like straps. And the Jackie accent is horrible - OUCH!
This show got so many characters entertainingly right. President Johnson was perfect. Churchill was amazing. But the Kennedys were a disaster. It's as though they grabbed two Americans off the street. Did the actors do no research, watch no old videos? Or did they just phone it in?
I don't like this portrayal of Jacqueline Kennedy plus she sounded terrible both Natalie Portman and Katie Holmes are better portrayal of Jacqueline Kennedy.
Miss Foy is superb herel, as is Miss Balfour. That's the ugliest dress they could've thought of for Elizabeth; those straps on her gown look like 35mm film strips! Great acting talent here, and Miss Balfour captures Mrs. Kennedy's voice intonation beautifully.
You people realize this is a SHOW?? Of course this conversation didn’t happen!! Sheesh, some of you people act like you personally know either of the women 😂
Have you ever been to Buckingham Palace?
Yes,I have. Many years ago.
Yes in the early 80's. Shook hands with the Queen mother near the Tower of London. I'm an American.
No, but I dream of one day visiting England. I'm an American.
I did visit when I was sent over to London to visit family as a teenager. Did not do the full tour, but I admired the history and architecture.
Been there in
the 90ties, but i did not saw any royalty ofcourse😊
This is the best representation of two introverted women both being expected to be extroverts.
Definitely. Those are SO the vibes that were frickin OOZING from this scene. Lol.😅
All I see is our very dignified queen being patronised by a shallow snob with a fake accent. A would-be-if-I-could-be pretentious nobody.
Hopefully at some point in real life they discussed horses. That would have broken part of the awkwardness between the two. Both were enthusiastic equestrians.
Margaret was once asked, "How's the Queen?", and she said, "Do you mean my sister, my mother, or my husband?"
ooo which husband? Give us the tea.
@@doctorderpage2848 She only had one husband, Antony Armstrong-Jones, royal photographer, 1st Earl of Snowdon due to the marriage. They were married between 1960 and 1978. (It was the first British royal divorce since I think Henry VIII?!) They were cheating on each other all the time, she was partying a little too hard, and both of them were eccentric addicts who were very toxic in the marriage.
He remarried the same year, but divorced in 2000 due to affairs and an illegitame son. He also had an illegitimate daughter just before becoming engaged to Margaret. So yeah, pretty interesting story.
Ooooooh!
That’s fantastic 😂
That is hilarious
Claire Foy was just so good at this role. I loved her ever since.
I agree!
How she can hold her face so still and yet the emotion comes from underneath. Wow just wow.
Me too, I concur! She was *phenomenal* in this. ❤
I had never heard of her before this.
Now I won't forget her!❤
@@jayneterry8701British actors/ actresses are the best!!
The actress was well trained. She even sound like her majesty.
Obviously
It's especially striking when next to an actress who looked and sounded nothing like Jackie Kennedy.
@@bridgecross I'm not sure if Jackie spoke with a Boston accent, but the actor who plays her husband does a dreadful job. It's a shame because otherwise he's a great actor.
That's actually the best example for an introvert person. ...i like the company of my own....lovely
Never understood why all guys in the 60's had thr hotts for Jacky. Not for this actress, not for the real one.
@@harveysengersmusic247 Class, plain and simple.
"actually"
She was enigmatic. People gravitated to her and her husband.
@@colleenporter1119People love mysteries, enigma and the unknown. Someone who is too "out there" too much soon loses what appeal they might have; be too aloof and people are put off, but find, and maintain, the right balance of mystery and, albeit limited, accessibility, and legends are born. Of course, it also helps tremendously, to have an upper class background, and boatloads of cash (discreetly handled) help.
2:41 The Queen sits on the sofa, then Jackie just parks her rump on the arm rest. Despite the similarities they shared just moments ago, they are still very different people. Mind you, Jackie makes parking one's rump on the arm rest very elegant.
Would Jackie have enjoyed this if it was reversed?
I'm sure Jackie never did that. Parts of this series IS fictionalized.
@@miriamhavard7621 oh, of course it’s fictionalised. I meant it as a story-telling device: Liz seated on the sofa and Jackie on the armrest. Two very similar but different people.
Jackie loved antiques too much to sit on an armrest. The most fragile part of the chair are it’s arms. One would never pick up an antique chair by its arms, simply because the weight would cause the arms to break. Anyone who is seriously interested in antiques knows this.
@@ellenmorse8559 The arms of a sofa are not meant to take the weight of a person.
This rendition of the Queen's voice is absolutely perfect. Olivia squeaked a bit too much (and looked miserable) but this is excellently done.
It's not perfect. The younger real Elizabeth's accent was a bit unusual, and something my English mother used to mimic exactly when she wanted to make people laugh "Mai husband and ai .....". Normally Mum spoke BBC English, which is what the actress in this case is speaking.
What this scene is showing is the Queen seeking to put Jackie at ease and establish a rapport with her - something that the real Queen was very good at, for a royal, although The Crown portrayed it not so good.
Far from perfect. Claire Foy nails the formality of the accent but there’s a sharpness and shrillness to it that doesn’t reflect the softness of Her Majesty’s QEII’s accent. Not to mention that Claire’s accent stands out like a sore thumb relative to Vanessa Kirby’s portrayal of Princess Margaret, or other Royals for that matter: she sounds like someone with a posh accent grossly exaggerating the post accent for amusement.
For the first season it’s very different to everyone else around her in the Royal family, which makes no sense.
@@Maxwell_Cambridge You put it spot on.
Totally agree with you. Shut your eyes and it could be the real late queen talking. Out of the three actresses who portrayed her, Claire Foy embodied her the most in my opinion.
Ugh couldn’t agree more. I disliked Olivia’s inadequate portrait on season 3&4. I thought it was a great mistake.
The Corgie puppies though! 🥹
Cute
The irony of mentioning Maryland and Virginia in their conversation given both states were named after Elizabeth’s ancestors 🎉
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Wow! If there is a sliver of truth to this video, it depicts qualities of both Queen Elizabeth and Jackie Kennedy! Both were special women!
Great women Both !!!❤
They hated each other. First Lady Kennedy assumed that the Queen had a thing for her husband.
The Crown is so well written and acted, it's about the only thing left on Netflix worth subscribing for.
I can't believe for a moment that, in real life during a formal visit to Buckingham Palace (as opposed to how this scene was depicted), Jackie Kennedy would EVER dare to lounge herself so informally on the edge of Queen Elizabeth's private quarters sofa when the Queen invited her to sit and the Queen properly sat on the cushions of the facing sofa !!! Jackie carried herself with impeccable manners and would NEVER present herself so casually and classlessly as that, nor would she ever do anything to embarrass the U.S. that way.
Exactly.
I agree. A dignified lady above all else.
Artistic license. It's a shame many treat The Crown as a doco when it's never been anything but a heightened biopic like any other. It's to illustrate their differences in a clearly visual way that's easy to understand for the viewer with the hopeful understanding that you wont actually think she was so informal IRL lol.
I agree! And I don't think she would have done a "Diana" and blathered how much her life was like being in a "goldfish bowl".. I can't imagine her being that casual with the Queen. And given how Jackie was very much about history, legacy , conservation and connection between America and England, she would not have been like an awkward gawky girl. She would have been very observant and astute in her tour of the Palace by the Queen. One wonders if that tour inspired her when she sought to preserve the history of the White House. Despite what the press has promoted, the Queen and Jackie Kennedy Onasis did have a cordial relationship, the Queen being only 3 years older than Jackie.
@@creativewriter3887 Many thanks @creativewriter, @miriamhavard, and @carolinebcollier. I believe @creativewriter is 100% spot-on as well with fine additional observations (e.g., blathering on about the "difficult 'goldfish bowl' life and behaving like "an awkward, gawky girl") ... NO WAY Jackie as FLOTUS would have behaved that way in general -- let alone with the Queen, and let alone in the early 1960s !!! One other thing struck me that I hadn't mentioned in my original post, but I'll include it now since you discussed the Jackie actress' behavior during the hallway tour. I seem to recall one point in the video where Queen Elizabeth II was supposedly showing and describing (a) specific painting(s) to Jackie, yet Jackie was ignoring her and daydreaming about a different portrait before asking the Qieen about it in the midst of the Qieen's rhetoric ... There is also NO WAY that Jackie as FLOTUS would have ever been so rude to the Queen.
As for @goober479, thanks for your comments as well, but I respectfully disagree with respect to an overarching point. I don't buy the simplification of these ridiculous depictions of Jackie's behavior as mere "artistic license." I think it's LAZY and THOUGHTLESS writing and directing to have the actress portray Jackie that way. The writer and director were either clueless and lazy to properly research how people in high places behaved in those times (and how Jackie in particular carried herself as FLOTUS) ... OR the writer and director were intentionally trying to create an "alternative [false] reality" of the Queen and FLOTUS in the early 1960s. I also believe that creators of these biopic series DO very much attempt to convince the public that THEIR depiction of the subject matter is indeed "REAL" and "ACCURATE." All the more reason to avoid lazy and foolish depictions of historical personages.
i can't get over this episode and how close the costume designers got Queen Elizabeth II's dress and Jackie's dress down to the T. One of my favorite episodes of season 2
That dialogue seemed so unreal. Mrs. Kennedy enjoyed her life as First Lady. She perfectly knew what she was going through when she married JFK.
Jackie was well-bred old society but pretty much penniless. Jack was newer money and lots of it, needing a well-bred wife to look more respectable to the old money set. Maybe they did love each other, but it was as much a merger as a marriage.
Yes and no. She loved her privacy and her "me time" in Glen Ora, etc. Sometimes, Jackie would even avoid formal events and be replaced by her close relatives and Lady Bird Johnson, so this depiction of her is very accurate.
This is not Jackie. She would never have exposed herself so openly to someone that she having just met. This conversation is too intimate for the situation.
Did you know her personally?
I agree. I once read a story about Jackie and how she always let other people she met speak about themselves. She had a way of making them feel comfortable and didn't make the conversation about herself, and that's why people were drawn to her. I don't believe Jackie would've whined like this to the Queen. Not the Jackie O. I've read about.
Can't imagine this open an exchange coming from an introverted, cripplingly shy person. Seems that she'd keep her life and experiences with her husband to herself rather than share them, especially ones that would be humiliating to her.
Unless you knew her personally you nor anyone else would know.
@@audreyrose1952 Did the writers on this show know her? They can portray her any way they want to. Just going from what I read about her many years ago, I don't believe that they portrayed her accurately. None of us know the truth, but I seriously doubt that Jackie O. had that kind of conversation with the Queen.
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Great Scene ..... Both Ladies eventually understood each other.
And the queen came out of that interaction believing she had made a new friend, whilst Mrs. Kennedy went back home to talk shit about her and the palace lol
😭
Fictionalized account.
@@miriamhavard7621 Not just fictionalized. A lot on this show is, but this particular part may have very well been true according to Cecil Beaton and many close people to the Kennedy's. Multiple people reported Mrs. Kennedy bad mouthing the crown once she went back; I highly doubt they're all lying
@@Solitude1990Likely no more than was said about Americans, which seems to be a pastime for Europeans that never fades, even with time
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This actress looks more like Lee Radziwill than Jackie but it seems to be common that they go for someone who looks more like Lee to play Jackie.
That's probably because Lee Radziwill is a conventionally beautiful person, whereas Jackie looks frightening in comparison
@@MegaThucydides Jackie looking frightening? Both women were beautiful, what are you on about?
@@MegaThucydides Jackie had a gorgeous openness to her face. Widely spaced eyes made her look coy and child-like. Lee looked typical. pretty, but quite usual. Boring. Hard to match Jackie's unique attractiveness.
@@SoleilMagicaJackie was stylish but not beautiful,at all.
@@MegaThucydidesLee was not conventionally beautiful. Yall like her cuz she’s “old money” and represents a bygone era but objectively speaking she was rather skeletal looking with bad, Bucky teeth and thin lips. Not desirable at all.
The Queen is like girl who tf asked 😂
Elizabeth is awkward when socializing if it means she isn't controlling everything including the conversation.
@@christinec2625 I get that but this scene was pretty awkward considering they just met and Jackie is basically revealing all her personal thoughts and feelings. Like who talks like this after just meeting someone, let alone the queen.
@@shadysorkin9214 Jackie would NEVER have done a "Diana" with anyone, much less the Queen. I mean, there were magazines and newspapers who couldn't get an interview with her or even anything about her private life. For her to just do a cerebral regurgitation is something no one would have done, much less Jackie.
@@creativewriter3887 I agree, but unburdening yourself to a head of state who will not say anything is quite different from a magazine interview.
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Claire Foy is lovely
For a show with very particular dialect coaching, did they just forget to hire one for the actress playing Jackie?
She portrays a mix of NY (she was raised on Long Island) and trans-Atlantic accent. The actress does a clunky job admittedly.
Yeah, her accent is distractingly bad. It sounds like she's both trying too hard and not trying at all.
It was terrible, but the actor playing President Kennedy was even worse. They got President Johnson spot on perfect. Baffling.
@@Mark-eu6mcshe was not raised on long Island...
@@NatalieRabuzin she was born in Southhampton and the family’s estate was in Easthampton. Split time between Manhattan and LI. Feel free to read her autobiography; I really doesn’t matter in terms of her NY accent...
I've never seen any actress do justice to the role of Jacqueline Kennedy save Natalie Portman. Not a knock on anyone's performance. She was just so singular. Hard to embody.
I liked Katie Holmes a bit more
@@myrnashoults9735 not at all , she could not even do the accent
This actress looks more like Lee Radziwill than anything.
This wasn't a fair depiction of Jackie at all. LOL
It didn't have a feel of accuracy. Jackie Kennedy would have been way more subtle. And she knew her way around protocol. And that the Queen was quite a reserved person. She would not have presumed to speak so casually, to my thinking.
Her Jackie accent is quite pleasant to hear.
I see some people being unkind to Jodi Balfour's performance but I thought she did a lovely job playing the soft spoken Jackie O. With all biographical adaptations, there are liberties taken. This simply shows that Jackie was comfortable being open and vulnerable to another woman, whereas Elizabeth struggled with it. Perhaps it wasn't spot on, but it paints a decent picture of two women in different positions of power with some obvious differences and not so obvious similarities.
Seriously. Look her up, Balfour nailed her in voice and spitit.
Man Claire Foy is so gorgeous in those blues
Last year. The best is the Buckingham Palace Garden located in the back of the Palace. This is where the royal family's garden parties are held.
No Ship Sherlock
@@lauren6889 Just describing the gardens for those people who have never been to Buckingham Palace.
"Gurl, I'm shy AF. I wish I was poor!"
This is not how I imagine Jackie to behave with members of royalty or anyone for that matter. This is a very weak and timid depiction of someone who had more ambition and gravitas than is shown here.
Showing vulnerability is never a weakness.
@@aleathacoleman6413 It is humbling to display vulnerability.
The private tour given by the Queen must have blown her mind.
I want an entire fantasy series of Jackie O and QE2 becoming best friends after this moment and just following them around.
I know the crown went in another direction. But I wanted these two to be best friends so badly.
Me too. After seeing this clip. I just wanted QE2 to have a best friend so much. I need to watch the whole series... but sometimes the writing, and Claire Foy's acting, give me SO much about a story, the clip feels so satisfying. Still--- best friends would have been awesome.
Reality went in that direction also, they were not fond of one another. Some say the Queen was jealous of the attention Jackie commanded, others say she just found her insufferable.
And engaging in a lesbian sexual relationship.
Jackie and her sister Lee were brought up in rather strange and stressful circumstances. They were the 'poor' relations in a wealthy family and their mother instilled in them the need to get in with the in crowd at all costs, even their closeness as sisters. Neither was seen as privately happy people but Lee was the more warm and gregarious. Jackie had a brittle coldness to her that few could penetrate.
As though that would ever happen. Royals look down their noses at everybody. She would see Kennedy as well beneath her in every way and would have to marshal every ounce of patience to stand giving her a tour.
They made this scene look like Jackie was self absorbed, uninterested in what the Queen was saying and interested only in talking about herself. The Queen was gracious and accommodating.
You can't expect Americans to be fascinated by the intricacies of The Firm. Before The Crown, I did not give a hoot about the British royal family, now I care, and I want Prince Harry deported back to England. Also, the Queen of England wasn't famous for talking about herself, so what was Jackie supposed to do? Talk about horses and dogs? She doesn't care for such things.
@@blucolife Speak for yourself. Americans have always been fascinated by British royalty, and there are many, many Americans who detest Harry and that wife of his, and would like to see them gone.
@@genxx2724 When Princess Diana died, I was pissed off because I was watching Saturday Night Live, and they interrupted my show over breaking news about some Princess I did not care about back then, and I imagine many people felt the same way. Watching The Crown has made me realize what a beautiful person Diana was.
My point is we don't get the same reportage you guys get in Britain. You speak Crown like a first language, we barely know who Fergie is, or why William is "Wills" in The Windsors (love that show). Some of us can name every Kardashian, but ask me to name the children of William and Kate, and I have no idea.
Our celebrities have to earn our attention. Royals are born with attention.
I agree that many of us hate Harry and Meghan, specially after that Netflix documentary- most boring documentary I have ever watched. Frankly, I prefer the old Harry, the womanizer, big game hunter, the one who dressed like a Nazi for Halloween. He was funny and authentic. This Harry with his ridiculous hipster beard is BORING.
@@blucolife I am American. I have never been to Britain. I think of celebrities as imitation royalty.
The character of Miss Jackie is being portrayed as weak, vulnerable and unsure. Whereas Her Majesty never waivers in her strength and demeanor, no matter who she meets.
Rewatchingggggggg and ughhhh claire foy is too good!!!
Not really
I couldn't want Claire Foy more in that dress 😍 🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍
Not a good portrayal of Jackie O. She would never have disclosed so much personal info.
I disagree with what Jackie is saying, I am extremely shy and I never got anyone to protect me. I had to protect myself, and I love the dogs.
But even If she's talking in general, she's really talking about herself. As we all do...
That was lovely! But then Claire Foy was there…❤
This scene saddens me. Because they seem to have quite a good connection and later in the series, Jacky says quite awful things about the Buckingham Palalce and the Queen.
Well, let's see who lived longest and is more respected around the world... never cheated on her husband or lived with a married man at her death....Queen you rock....Jackie O played everyone
She had to be envious of the grandeur of the palace as compared to the stodgy coldness of the White House!
I REALLY have to watch this series at some point, the acting is superb and the writing is....outstanding.
I thought they got on rather well but in a subsequent episode Elizabeth sort of makes an aside that isn't flattering towards Jackie
Friends. Friends are good.
I’m sorry but that actress, though attractive, looks NOTHING like Jackie Kennedy. It’s almost insulting to her memory.
This is such a great imagination of their meeting, but Jackie 100% wanted to be married to JFK. This “I’m shy” and don’t want the spotlight is kinda factually incorrect, she did like the spotlight and there’s enough written about how she and her family made sure she ran in the right circles for this marriage.
But I think like many women- they get what they want and realize it’s not as great as they thought it would be. Very much like Diana, who wanted to be a princess and instead got a nightmare.
When Mrs. Kennedy sits on the arm of the couch or sette strikes a nerve with me
Feel like they gave Miss Kennedy the Forrest Gump treatment lmao
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Jackie was no modern debutant. She ragged on the revolting Sammy Davis Jr bringing his white wife to the inaugeral ball. JFK kept Sammy out. Sinatra was appalled.
When I die I want to go where the animals are.
This seems so unreal but good for artistic purposes
I know that this scene is fictional I know for a fact that probably wasn't like this in reality but it's still nice
Did Jackie really go back home and talk trash about what seems like a lovely encounter? Am I missing an episode?
No you didn't miss one. They wrote it as if Jackie went back to the US, and just talked ish about Queen Elizabeth. I don't believe that actually happened though.
I love how Claire makes the queen looks slightly uncomfortable due to tight dress. Not enough to show something, but you can see how she keeps her posture unnaturally.
Mariska Hargitay, the actress from Law and Order SVU always reminded me of Jackie Kennedy. I don’t think any of the actresses that have portrayed her have done a great job.
Is Balfour also in For All Mankind?
This looks fantastic...I hadn't considered watching it, but I think I shall.
It’s soooo good!!! I was kinda shocked and how fast I breezed through it!!!!
The Jackie actress should have played Lee Radziwill instead. They look more alike than Jackie.
If3 a great imaginary conversation between them
And now Jackie is revised to eating sheet metal
Does this show imply Jackie got tossed around by Jack?
Best Queen...most alike and I like
Jackie wasn't the nicest of people.
Tina Brown made that clear in her Vanity Fair diaries.
They make Jackie look like a country bumpkin. She grew up in Manhattan and went to Vassar and the Sorbonne, for pete's sake.
Jackie displays bad manners throughout her ‘tour’ in her distance, indifference and coldness towards her host. The Queen points out a portrait of her ancestor but Jackie rudely ignores this and instead focuses on the opposite wall on a handsome past Prime Minister most likely knowing well who he was. She did it to disarm the Queen and to show contempt for the Queen’s aristocratic, royal background. The Queen has nothing to prove whilst Jackie’s display of indifference would indicate an effort to show she is just as good and not impressed by anything she is shown. Apparently Jackie was dismayed when she traced her heritage and found her French ancestors were not the aristocrats she had hoped for whilst her mothers Irish heritage she ignored, happy to leave her husband to the Irish.
there is corn floating in the toilet !!!
Jackie is tripping balls here.
She sounds like Woody Allen.
Elizabeth trying to talk about George III to the wife of the President of the USA ... she instead want's to talk about the Prime Minister who still under George III rejected the advice of Lord North who was Prime Minister when the US declaration of Independence happened, and stopped being PM shortly before the Treaty of Paris was signed ending the War ...
They are being subtle ...
John F. Kennedy was one of our best presidents. Taken too soon from us. Some people forget that the idea of sending a man into space all the way to the moon, began with him.
I wonder if this actually happend, or it's just made up to create drama?
Bits of accuracy are tossed into the show, but private dialogue can only be guessed at. Same is true for body language. The real Queen was a consummate actress in public, but we can never know how she was in private. But self control has always been a mark of good breeding in the upper classes and royalty of England.
Memoirs and reports of friends, leftover letters, etc do exist between them. They were friendly for a long time- they shared interests in horseriding, dogs and their children. They weren’t super close- kind of like a penpalship. Reports from courtiers dispute that she was jealous of Jackie, but we can really never know that bit. Based on social diaries we know they had a couple meals together, etc etc. That’s about all we know for sure :)
@@LisaG442she was the same in private. People like the Queen, it carries over. She is formal by definition. There is no public/private version. Only QEII
That’s one of the things that’s Megs said shocked her the most. That the formality of the Prince and Princess of Wales carried over from public to private.
Aristocracy like that is rigid. The rules apply at all times, not just when the drapes are up and the cameras on.
Authentic, not an act..unlike someone else....@@flophilp
Of course a lot of it is made up to create drama. We will never truly know what each of them thought of the other.
Very strange acting or directorial choice to have Jackie sit on the arm of the sofa. Is this to telegraph cultural or social class differences? Or is it a visual metaphor to show Jackie literally in a higher position to message that Elizabeth finds her intimidating? It's unthinkable that Jackie would do something like that due both to her own refined, rather formal background, and also the protocols she was familiar with as a politician's wife. It's also unthinkable their either of these women would reveal so much about themselves to someone they didn't know. What does seem believable is that Jackie was not that impressed with the palace--I've read that in a number of sources--and that both Lee and Princess Margaret would have been more comfortable as First Lady and Queen.
What terrible casting, they've failed to do justice to the stunning Jackie Kennedy. Shame on them.
Is the actress playing Kennedy was in the help playing that little girl mom?
Anyone who loves and cares for dogs is ok with me!!
Aw thanks. I've got 3 of those little ganks 😉👍🏿
Nice try, but the actresses’s posh Rhode Island accent needs some work.
Couldn’t help but notice how vacuous and uninteresting Jackie was. Especially considering what a low opinion of the Queen she had
Sorry, but Balfour's accent is just painful to hear.
That's how Jackie spoke.
The real Jackie’s accent was even stronger, the actress sounds like she watered it down.
@@Wolfenstein69924 Even stronger than a South African actress badly imitating an American accent? Okay.
This is a very inaccurate depiction of Jacqueline 😡
It seems strange that Jackie was so unkind later on.
Jackie among the closest we had to royalty in this country since we did away with George III
Never seen The Crown, but two obvious things jump out at me. Queen Elizabeth's dress is very odd on the top, like she is wearing a sundress of sorts. The original dress did not include those denim-like straps. And the Jackie accent is horrible - OUCH!
This show got so many characters entertainingly right. President Johnson was perfect. Churchill was amazing. But the Kennedys were a disaster. It's as though they grabbed two Americans off the street. Did the actors do no research, watch no old videos? Or did they just phone it in?
this must be before she went to the moon and became president later on
Actress can’t do a Boston accent. Terrible scene.
Jackie wasn't from Boston IIRC. She was from a Long Island family of great breeding but no money left.
Terrible choice for portraying Jackie Kennedy
Yes bad,
I don't like this portrayal of Jacqueline Kennedy plus she sounded terrible both Natalie Portman and Katie Holmes are better portrayal of Jacqueline Kennedy.
@@rogerwhittaker4189 I agree about Katie Holmes, didn’t see Natalie’s portrayal
@@myrnashoults9735 Natalie Portman Jacqueline Kennedy is good,but needed a bit more make up on her ,but the hair color and style was spot on.
She sounds nothing like Jackie....
Not feeling Jodi's performance at all
She sat on the arm of the sofa? Smh
Is this real, this really happened?
Neither of these ladies look like the person they're suppose to be pretending to be....just sayin.
Foy's accent is all over the place.
Miss Foy is superb herel, as is Miss Balfour. That's the ugliest dress they could've thought of for Elizabeth; those straps on her gown look like 35mm film strips! Great acting talent here, and Miss Balfour captures Mrs. Kennedy's voice intonation beautifully.
It just shows what the Camelot phony was really like.
You people realize this is a SHOW?? Of course this conversation didn’t happen!! Sheesh, some of you people act like you personally know either of the women 😂
HM's worst dress?
Mrs Kennedy is sooooo irritating ugh bleh
I take it Kennedy's voice was too awful to imitate.
Yes she really did have an awful voice