Ever since seeing the first rack pc build years ago it’s always been my dream to have a high capacity server setup hooked up to an insane gaming / CAD machine.
Who wouldn't want to have the most powerful gaming PC in existence? how a mother for epyc with 2 processors of 128 cores and 256 threads. 1TB of RAM a dedicated NAS server to save upcoming games and images and 2 rtx 4090. do i need it? Of course not, but I would love to have it.
@@gustavobalmaceda2346 why not 8 4090s there are ways to do that and that is my future plan though I am not going to be compact. It will take some time I have a few dice rolls that need to line up properly but if they do oh boy. I will finally have a 3D computer that may can keep up with my fucked up mind.
Recently someone posted a video in r/homelab showing their home server room with two fully equipped racks. An absolute dream, as long as you don't have to pay for electricity...
When I worked for an electronics company designing rack mounted equipment, UL rules require 4mm separation between leads and chassis on DC circuits and 8mm from AC circuits to prevent arcing between the leads and the chassis. You can use fish paper which passes UL 94 for fire resistance if you HAD to go narrower.
I think my favourite videos where linus is building pcs are the ones where he's building them for himself or his family, because he's always so excited and into it.
Linus: *talks about being budget concious* Also Linus: *Builds 5 high-end rackmounted computers, just in case his children bring friends home to play games*
"Budget Conscious" does not mean "low budget". It just means not spending more money for no reason. Whether you're spending $50 or $50,000, you need to know what you can spend, and should be minimizing unnecessary costs, even if you can afford it.
I recommended paint protection film used on cars since it’s a just in case scenario and not stopping actual contact….but yours seems like it is a pretty good idea even though I’ve never used it before.
ya a single sheet of kapton is exactly what its made for to insulate electronics in these situations. tape it to either the bottom of the chassis or the board
Both electrical tape and the cardboard are unsuitable if you want to keep sharp objects from piercing through. Kapton might be fine. A thin PTFE sheet would be the real deal.
The only concern I'd have about cardboard is the solder points poking in and penetrating to the metal under, anything that's bad enough to set the cardboard on fire would destroy the system anyway.
At work I've been using 2 cheap 10 port fan hub from china, I bought them to temporarily replace a cooler master hub because it broke. It cost me 12 bucks shipped and they have lasted 5 years running basically 24/7. Only caveat is no RGB and all the fans have to run on the same speed. It has a connector that goes to the motherboard so I can control the PWM.
I simply love those kind of "I want it exactly that way" builds where it's not simply "get the biggest GPU and throw it into an overkill, watercooled PC case" but one where there is a specific use case 99,9% of all people don't need/want and that is genuine something new and interesting. Love the idea with the external cooled rack PCs!
Exactly. I've found that alot of enthusiasts develop interests in very. specific. setups, that aren't conventional and push the limits of compatibility. Hearing people's reasoning behind their decisions, and also watching them work around the problems, is much more interesting then "hey guys, xyz here, today we slapped a 4090 and 7950x together. wow look at big number, make sure to subscribe!"
@@peyton_uwu I'm designing a 7600, 6700 10gb build right now that's designed not for numbers, but to sip power and stay as cool and quiet as possible while also displaying 144hz 1080p. It's been fun to craft and design so far.
PEI Sheets would make for a good separation layer for this application IMO. It's thin, Provides good electric insulation even when hot and is resistant to high temperatures. The best part is it comes in easy to use square adhesive sheets since it's widely used for 3D printer heated beds! a Simple hole punch could be used for the standoffs as well
Liquid electrical tape is another option. Coat all the contacts with it and you can go pretty thick if you want. Easy to remove if you need as well. Cheap and effective option.
You could have used just a few silicon anti slip mats used in kitchens. Heat resistant (if it burns you pc is already on fire) and isolates. It's about 1mm thick and doesn't cost much either.
@@ggesdsdsdsd That might work, too. I'd be a bit worried if the vibrations cause thin metal parts to go through the plastic in long run but the low stand-offs should probably avoid long-term contact so that would probably be okay as-is. Great idea!
I'm so happy for Linus. Being able to build a dream house, company and creature comforts is the results of years of shovelling crap left and right with the persistence and resilience very few people could ever bare. Congrats my man, this build is absolutely stunning!
16:57 Jake had a point, I think older systems (I ram into this on a X99 board) have problems with PWM signals that causes fan hubs to just run at full speeds. Splitters+extenders though, work just fine
I say this with zero sarcasm: I really love Jake's presentation, particularly as of a couple of months now. The delivery is just 👨🏽🍳💋, to me. Professional, not too childish, not too cold/devoid of feeling, just really an excellent tone/VOICE for ... teaching us, essentially. Props to you, driving gloves! 😀
@@Sch0field8 Ty for your reply. I personally didn't find him annoying like others did in the early days, but I can't deny he was super childish then. 🤷🏽♂😂
What I like most about this video, is that you bring back memories of 35 years ago when I was in tech school learning to work with sheet metal. As an early teenager I thought to myself that none of those classes would ever come in useful, but right at this moment, I'm wishing I had access to all that equipment and custom make projects like what you are showing for myself.
CPU being too low is sometimes a real metric on busy servers. It means something is weird like some connection dropped or something crashed in the pipeline but it really is a thing!
Yeah and especially with cloud computing where you pay per core. If it is at 5% all the time and 10% max you have the wrong instance sizes and van save a ton by downsizing.
The fire point for cardboard is 258C and the flash point is over 420C. I think Linus will be fine using the motherboard box as an insulator. By time it catches fire, he will already have other, greater, issues.
By connecting your water system loop to the on you created below the pool, you might also consider that, during the winter, since the temperature outside could drop till 3 degree Celsius, it might create the risk of condensation inside all the systems connected to it.
It would be a smart idea to install something like thermostat on cars. That way you can shut off valve if temperature of outside water is under ambient temperature. It wouldn't be so hard to implement, but you would need a second loop that wouldn't go outside.
I guess going that thin makes sense considering that you only have so much more room on your server rack at the new house. And hey, the fact that you can put a 3090 in such a thin server-mounted rig is impressive. I can’t even begin to imagine trying to fit a 4090.
@@CyanDumBell_MC True, but wouldn’t that still equate to higher cooling requirements? Or would that be irrelevant for water cooling in terms of how thick the water block would be?
@@Neoxon619 4090 is same TDP as 3090Ti but twice as efficient. Or you can go for more performance at the same power. Cooler is basically the same volume.
Motherboard electrical insulation: Get 1mm Thermal Pad in sheet form. Cheap, helps with thermals, electrically insulated. IO Shield: use an ASRock or SuperMicro MB meant for rack mounting, the IO shields are 1U tall. You'll have to design the case to fit. Power Supply: Should have used a Delta hot-swap; you'd need a break-out board, but people make them. Would have been more power, modular cords.
there is a product called "fish paper" that is flame resistant and a good electrical insulator and quite thin. You should have this as a tool in your tool-box.
@@splatt3d no it is not baking paper, it is very heat resistant. When I worked in the tv industry we used it to separate electronics parts. I don't know what else it might be called.it was more like a very thin very dense cardboard, I have only seen it in a blue-grey color.
can't wait for you guys to work out the tweaks and finalize the layout and then show us putting the final product together and deploying it. Really looking forward to that video.
@Adam Hazza He has, and his reasoning is sound but it would still be nice. If they've already done the work use a system on a regular basis they could at least provide any data we'd need to replicate it ourselves. Honestly even a 2U solution would be nice, the main problem for me is finding a place to put the server rack and getting the fiber set up (I've tried doing some research on my own but it can be quite confusing and potentially expensive).
You guys didn't actually need to tape the edge of the case where the I/O shield was supposed to go. The I/O shield is also used as a path to ground for the outside of the I/O ports, so you wouldn't be shorting anything out that wasn't supposed to already have that path in it.
what the custom power going all over the place, it not normal PC power running steal of the case? there at least one in this with 24 volts going somewhere, so what about the rest on the stuff in the rack already who knows in the minus (-) side power thing already?
I recommend using Kapton tape next time instead of electrical tape. The adhesive is better than electrical for these surfaces and you can buy wider tape to cover more area.
man this looks really well integrated and you could think that its a specially designed product for a 1u gaming system, kinda like the Gigabyte 1u gaming server just in DIY and without a radiator and pumps
The mATX-spec motherboards are my bread and butter. They generally have all the features I need without me having to pay for extras that I don't use, and fitting them in a case is easy.
@@potatoes5829 yep. I'm currently using that board and being very annoyed being constantly reminded of how Asrock has no idea on how to make a motherboard yet.
I work in a Datacenter, the idea is not to have any carbon material in the cage where the machines are hosted. Carbon gives off lots of smoke and can trigger the fire system with any minor fire. The strong ventilation can make any short circuit sparks light up quite fast any flammable material. A small fire turns into a huge one in seconds.
They could probably even 3D print one. Shorten the cables by cutting and soldering, have the fan headers go into a backplane or something (PCBWay is great for those kinda cheap boards), and viola
The stock photo of the Raidmax Sagittarius absolutely threw me into nostalgia mode. The age of triple-core processors! Also, Sunon MagLev fans are the reason server stuff is a lot more quiet these days. They're magical.
I'm still super happy with the performance of my 3700x ! Awesome to see it here. Just bought a water-cooler for it. And now it's so cool, even a little bit of a performance bump! Great video again as always!
Judging by the fact it was built by protocase for them, they can't release any CAD files as they're designed by protocase for commercial manufacturing (copyright, anyone?) and LTT would not even have the files and those aren't theirs to release in the first place.
I rack mounted my gaming computer about a year ago, and it was such a good use of space. While its still in the same room, the noise is behind me, and the heat doesn't sit in the corner my setup is in.
not to be a hater or anything bro, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the IO shield with how powerful pcs are nowadays. you have a lot of points of contact for all of your connections back there, you want to make sure there's no crosstalk or signal interference/degradation, and no cable to port connection is a perfect seal, back in the day there weren't nearly as many ports and the throughput was like a raindrop in the ocean compared to what the average pc uses today.
kinda nice to see what pulseway is doing here, not gonna beat devops methodology or powershell/bash stuffs but still nice, it's cool to see how all the different sponsors or company give you all the little stuffs needed perfectly for each things like the special water block, or psu, and the rest of the stuffs
Would love to see the set-up... Ordinarily, in aircon units, piping is also insulated to prevent condensation, and although we are talking about heat from a water cooled system, you would probably use the same to avoid heat loss on the way to the pool heat exchange. This will involve bulky trunking.
Honestly I love this idea. As much as I love the look of a flashy $3000ish PC, I don't want to deal with the heat from the damn thing in my room. I'm still saving for my first PC, but I was actually considering hooking the exhaust up to a duct and running it through the wall into the attic to prevent it from dumping hot air into my bedroom. I would have to clean out a closet and this has a lot more costs involved but down the road it is something I am strongly considering.
I loved the section where they talked about not having flammabke stuff inside your pc and I am chilling here with my cardboard box that houses my pc parts XD
Those actually can be an issue because if your mobo shorts, it can ground fault to the screws, which in turn send it back through the case to the PSU plug to terminal ground (your wall plug). Shorting through cardboard = bad. Always have liked the concept because wood and cardboard PC's are definitely an aesthetic, but without some sort of metal frame bridging the standoffs to the PSU it can go bad (PCB fires are pretty).
Dude Linus' reaction to Jake being right about the fan hub is hilarious. I could FEEL the "Listen I know you're right but I really, really hate that you are at the moment."
@@samiraperi467 all the people inside because too cold out playing on computers that keep the pool from freezing ...
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I would have been so disappointed had it been a joke. I have thought about similar for a while (never done any watercooling, and I find the idea of another moving part (over the pump) weird and wrong; moving parts are always bad): different but basically the same "external radiator-thingy" (or, simply, external heat exchange)
6:09 I/O shields are about EMI - if you're willing to live with it, not a big deal since it's not a commercial-built system. You're NOT likely to cause noticeable interference issues.
To get tubing over larger than you should barbs, place end of tubing in boiled water. Just put the kettle on, put in a mug, dip in tubes. Cools and super tight.
@@user-fw6eg3hc8f Hot water you can never burn the tubing and it evenly heats every part o f the tubing up to the point you immerse them. Literally get the kettle on to boil. Get your stuff together. poor water in mug. Immerse tubing for less then a minute and on it goes. Fast and easy. And every decent workshop has an electric kettle, how else would you make tea?
What if instead of cardboard, you just used one big ol' 3mm thermal pad? Not sure if it would be all that beneficial transferring MoBo heat to the case buuuut at least they are designed to withstand the heat and not be electrically conductive. Another concern of cardboard is if there were to be a leak in the cooling system, something absorbent becomes a big conductor if it happens to get exposed to moisture.
Linus: "were going to build 5 of these. So shelling out for premium motherboards doesn't make a lot of sense" Also Linus: technically we could use a 31$ CAT5 to USB extender for are peripherals but instead were going to use a 1600$ fiberoptic dock. Me: 🧐......smart
16:40 Sunbeamtech was the only brand that ever made a good fan controller. they had good components and even made a PWM one that I've had in service for 10 years without any failures. Rheosmart 6 as I recall
i feel like a chassie/vertical blade kind of setup would work better here, can easily get 5 systems in 4 or 5U with ability to work on one at a time but with far less height contraints as you would have 3.8 inches (19 inches/5) of room vs 1.75 inches
what would he do for the CPU there? He's using physically separate ones because of anti-cheat issues. Are ITX motherboards small enough to fit multiple in a server footprint?
Couldn't you have used thermal tape instead of cardboard??? Overall I like this! You guys give me so many ideas about how I want to build my custom PC/Custom PC desk setup! Hope to maybe pitch this idea to you, do a collab, and build it for real!
I would have expected some kind of conformal coating on the board, but it makes sense not to do that on a test bed like this. Maybe on the full deployment we will see something like that
@@poe_thirteen Yeah this, if they want it to last they need to coat it, but then I don't think their longevity expectations or requirements are to the level that would legit require the kind of coating I use.
I love the idea of this kind of thing and a a family lan room is super cool! That would be awesome, I would have loved that as a kid. My dad would play games with my sister and I whenever we could and even my mom would join if we had another controller or if she was up to it :) this would have been such a cool way to enjoy those times. I hope to do something like that but with my niece :)
I love how you can physically see linus at 21:47 just wishing, thinking, dreaming of making them all like this, he is probably gonna do it XD Hope to see the vid soon
A bucket of Liquid Rubber (roof sealant) would be pretty handy for insulating the motherboard instead of cardboard. Just paint on a few layers and its good to go!
@@wojtek-33 could be some of them smell, one that is food grade/body safe should be fine... Or just a silicone mat. The ones made for ovens are food grade and wont smell.
Never seen a LTT video with such a great integration of the sponsor spots with the rest of the video. It made a great flow overall and actually didn't mind watching them.
You really should consider spinning your own little PCBs for things like fan splitters. You got electrical engineers on hand, and JLCPCB or PCBWay would be eager to sponsor I guess. Plus it would be a clean build.
16:55 Yes, you're wrong - most fan hubs break, not all. But the ones I've never had issues with came out of my (badly outdated, long since stripped for parts) Innosilicon A2 units and don't have a brand name on them.
I was thinking, they could have use the antistatique wrapping bag from their mother board to isolate the back. It would have been finer and the almost the right size.
All I want to see after this is a cost breakdown, cos as much as I would love to try something like that, I expect trying to achieve it on my average budget is still a no go, the PSU alone is probably 3 times what mine costs, let alone the custom rack mounted case etc.
Craft computing does builds with the 3 gpu 1U servers that run about $300 dollars on ebay, sure you are limited in choices for gpu, but even with M40 cards he was able to run 6 separate virtualizations of crisis
I was just imagining what kind of sick laptop with desktop part setup that could be made into. Like a server rack long ways across a lap and having legs at each end to prop it up, then 1 ultra wide monitor attached to a back plate or funky arm and would fold down into the rack. With a slide in keyboard mount/ramp.
2U actually seems way more practical to me. You wouldn't have to worry about the standoff screw being too long, you could use almost any part, bigger fans in case you don't have a pool, etc. The downside is having to shut them down in pairs, but I can't think of a less critical workload than "gaming PC".
LINUS: We need to be budget conscious ALSO LINUS: look at this custom made water cooled chassi and my EK gear ALSO ALSO LINUS: Can't wati to hook this up to my custom pool heat exchanger
To be fair, those are budgetary write-offs since he can claim it as a business expense. Plus the sponsor pays for it anyway. Plus Plus it's just a cool video.
Heating up pool water with your pc watercooling is technically being budget conscious because you are making use of generated heat that would otherwise have been dissipated into the air undesirably warming up a room. Nobody said you should go out and build your own pool. And as for the EK stuff, I see that as an investment as you can reuse those parts in the future as apart from the cpu/gpu blocks the rest of the watercooling parts are unlikely to change much any time soon.
being budget conscious doesn't mean not spending any money lol, like this *is* price to preformance, and he will likely be saving money with the heat output of a 3090
Linus, you should do the 2U chassis for you and Yvonne's PC. I would love to see it and would make for another good video. I have been considering doing this for a gaming and streaming PC in one chassis. I would love to see the results! It would take up the same 2U space and would be awesome!
For insulation under the MB. Transparency film for laser printers is nice. High temp. High voltage and very puncture proof compared to tape and cardboard.
About the cardboard. You are putting it in a rack of which you expect it to be hot (since you dont want the original room to get heated), plus the heat can not really go away, so I think its a bit weird you accept this potential fire hazard so easily. Especially when there's tape available that doesn't conduct and is more resistant to fire. Oh and btw, you couldve just put the tape on the chassis instead of the motherboard. Which makes maintenance a lot easier
Cardboard has a self-ignition temperature of about 427°C, which is just about 800°F. I think they'd be running into a lot greater issues if the inside of their computer got hotter than the cylinder temperature of a gasoline engine.
One thing that I'm not sure has been pointed out yet is enabling Hyper-V in a windows KVM, it makes anti-cheat blind to the VM. There may be some other things that need to be tweaked but I have heard that Hyper-V works wonders when enabled.
@@crashniels havent seen one yet, also all serious anticheats will work because they know that they cant alienate that big of a market as people who use wsl2 and basic hyperv are But also would make sense as technicly as soon as you enable hyperv your desktop is in a vm
@@crashniels never played those games i guess never will, as hyperv is nowdays mainstay in my system. All antichewts i have to deal with dont even bat an eye
if you need to create an insulative backing for your motherboard (like they did with the tape) you can use vinyl wrap, like for cars. Its actually pretty affordable and available in tons of colors and finishes to get a professional look.
Ever since seeing the first rack pc build years ago it’s always been my dream to have a high capacity server setup hooked up to an insane gaming / CAD machine.
Who wouldn't want to have the most powerful gaming PC in existence? how a mother for epyc with 2 processors of 128 cores and 256 threads. 1TB of RAM a dedicated NAS server to save upcoming games and images and 2 rtx 4090. do i need it? Of course not, but I would love to have it.
@@gustavobalmaceda2346 why not 8 4090s there are ways to do that and that is my future plan though I am not going to be compact. It will take some time I have a few dice rolls that need to line up properly but if they do oh boy. I will finally have a 3D computer that may can keep up with my fucked up mind.
mee too!! Just plex media server , and gaming rig and why not wife's computer ^^
Recently someone posted a video in r/homelab showing their home server room with two fully equipped racks. An absolute dream, as long as you don't have to pay for electricity...
yes
When I worked for an electronics company designing rack mounted equipment, UL rules require 4mm separation between leads and chassis on DC circuits and 8mm from AC circuits to prevent arcing between the leads and the chassis. You can use fish paper which passes UL 94 for fire resistance if you HAD to go narrower.
I'd probably just flood the bottom with a flex seal kind of deal (or liquid electrical tape)
Notes to the editors: if you think your new title cards go by without notice, they don't, we notice and the look awesome, so clean.
Agreed, and I'm always just a tiny bit bummed when there's a video without the into animation!
What is a title card? I do love the editing.
Do you mean the thumbnails? Iirc they recently employed a dedicated person for that role - which might explain it!
@@rubegoldberger i think he meant that "rack mount the world" in the intro
fr those title cards make me bricked up
I think my favourite videos where linus is building pcs are the ones where he's building them for himself or his family, because he's always so excited and into it.
And doesn't half-ass it.
And always AMD Ryzen or Epyc ;)
Not gonna lie, when Yvonne smiles, it's a game changer. She's lovely.
Yes
Something about this build feels just so right. The idea of stacking a bunch of these with external water cooling is perfection++
Pool cool pc
@@Thefreakyfreek Cool pool pc
@@Skyflairl2p cool pc kept cool by pool
Linus: *talks about being budget concious*
Also Linus: *Builds 5 high-end rackmounted computers, just in case his children bring friends home to play games*
But hey theoretically it could save on the energy bill for heating his pool
its quite budget friendly when you account it as content m,aterial
"Budget Conscious" does not mean "low budget". It just means not spending more money for no reason. Whether you're spending $50 or $50,000, you need to know what you can spend, and should be minimizing unnecessary costs, even if you can afford it.
It's not just for friends it's also so he can play with them in the same room
With 1300$ KVM Extender 😂
Instead of cardboard, use fish-paper (vulcanized cellulose fiber). it is designed for electrical insulation. You can also use really wide kapton tape.
I recommended paint protection film used on cars since it’s a just in case scenario and not stopping actual contact….but yours seems like it is a pretty good idea even though I’ve never used it before.
ya a single sheet of kapton is exactly what its made for to insulate electronics in these situations. tape it to either the bottom of the chassis or the board
A bit surprised they didn't suggest an LTT desk pad, adding an extra store plug 😬
Both electrical tape and the cardboard are unsuitable if you want to keep sharp objects from piercing through. Kapton might be fine. A thin PTFE sheet would be the real deal.
The only concern I'd have about cardboard is the solder points poking in and penetrating to the metal under, anything that's bad enough to set the cardboard on fire would destroy the system anyway.
Sounds like an opportunity for LTT to create the first fan hub that doesn’t suck.
It sounds like something an employee could have been designing as some side project for like 5 years lol
Might take 4 years but i would buy it. Just hope they make a version with like 14 ports.
At work I've been using 2 cheap 10 port fan hub from china, I bought them to temporarily replace a cooler master hub because it broke. It cost me 12 bucks shipped and they have lasted 5 years running basically 24/7. Only caveat is no RGB and all the fans have to run on the same speed. It has a connector that goes to the motherboard so I can control the PWM.
@@EmoChipmonkVOD Modular fan hub.
I’d kinda hope it blows tho
This is probably the best home projects of the year. The unit looks factory out of the box solution. Loving it!
imagine working for protocase and seeing this custom case you worked on being filled with cardboard, must feel pretty good.
To be fair, they knew who they were sending it to
While prototyping? I'm sure they are shocked! Shocked!
🤣We welcome all prototyping!
@@ProtocaseInc So can we buy this one? :P I remember with his current one they said not to build that version
I simply love those kind of "I want it exactly that way" builds where it's not simply "get the biggest GPU and throw it into an overkill, watercooled PC case" but one where there is a specific use case 99,9% of all people don't need/want and that is genuine something new and interesting. Love the idea with the external cooled rack PCs!
Exactly. I've found that alot of enthusiasts develop interests in very. specific. setups, that aren't conventional and push the limits of compatibility.
Hearing people's reasoning behind their decisions, and also watching them work around the problems, is much more interesting then "hey guys, xyz here, today we slapped a 4090 and 7950x together. wow look at big number, make sure to subscribe!"
Agree.
@@peyton_uwu I'm designing a 7600, 6700 10gb build right now that's designed not for numbers, but to sip power and stay as cool and quiet as possible while also displaying 144hz 1080p. It's been fun to craft and design so far.
Tell my why.. Ain't nothing but a heartache.... TELL ME WHY!
I’ve been watching Linus for a long time, I’m still blown away by their wizardry
PEI Sheets would make for a good separation layer for this application IMO. It's thin, Provides good electric insulation even when hot and is resistant to high temperatures. The best part is it comes in easy to use square adhesive sheets since it's widely used for 3D printer heated beds! a Simple hole punch could be used for the standoffs as well
They have a cricut they used for making wall decorations, it would be perfect for making the separators.
Liquid electrical tape is another option. Coat all the contacts with it and you can go pretty thick if you want. Easy to remove if you need as well. Cheap and effective option.
You could have used just a few silicon anti slip mats used in kitchens. Heat resistant (if it burns you pc is already on fire) and isolates. It's about 1mm thick and doesn't cost much either.
That sounds one possible option. Or you could use the correct stuff and use Kapton sheets instead.
@@MikkoRantalainen What about just the plastic(antistatic bag) the motherboard comes in, in the box?
@@ggesdsdsdsd That might work, too. I'd be a bit worried if the vibrations cause thin metal parts to go through the plastic in long run but the low stand-offs should probably avoid long-term contact so that would probably be okay as-is. Great idea!
@@ggesdsdsdsd antistatic bags conduct electricity. That's why they don't build up a static charge
At my one job we would use fishpaper, it's a perfect choice for this.
I'm so happy for Linus. Being able to build a dream house, company and creature comforts is the results of years of shovelling crap left and right with the persistence and resilience very few people could ever bare. Congrats my man, this build is absolutely stunning!
Genuinely surprised there's nobody who left a whining reply here about how angry they are about him making the money he earned, lol.
16:57 Jake had a point, I think older systems (I ram into this on a X99 board) have problems with PWM signals that causes fan hubs to just run at full speeds. Splitters+extenders though, work just fine
I think Noctua mentions in their manual that you should not daisy chain their extensions (although I never understood why and am still doing it).
I say this with zero sarcasm: I really love Jake's presentation, particularly as of a couple of months now. The delivery is just 👨🏽🍳💋, to me. Professional, not too childish, not too cold/devoid of feeling, just really an excellent tone/VOICE for ... teaching us, essentially. Props to you, driving gloves! 😀
Totally agree. Jake has improved A LOT. At the beginning he was hard to watch, but now he's actually good.
@@Sch0field8 Ty for your reply. I personally didn't find him annoying like others did in the early days, but I can't deny he was super childish then. 🤷🏽♂😂
Agreed. When Jake first showed up I didn't enjoy it that much but now all the Jake videos are my favourites.
Its still hard for me to believe he was born in 2000.
@@heybravo23 Yeah... I keep forgetting that too. That's WILD.
What I like most about this video, is that you bring back memories of 35 years ago when I was in tech school learning to work with sheet metal. As an early teenager I thought to myself that none of those classes would ever come in useful, but right at this moment, I'm wishing I had access to all that equipment and custom make projects like what you are showing for myself.
CPU being too low is sometimes a real metric on busy servers. It means something is weird like some connection dropped or something crashed in the pipeline but it really is a thing!
Yeah and especially with cloud computing where you pay per core. If it is at 5% all the time and 10% max you have the wrong instance sizes and van save a ton by downsizing.
The load balancing is borked again
I would love to see a stream at which you guys build 5 of those and a followup video where you install them at Linus house.
Yes 1000%, I call on all the bystanders who usually don't engage to like his comment and maybe reply. We need this.
I want to see it too.
I would also love to see that kinda stream
Yeah!!!
Yep. Waiting on it.
The fire point for cardboard is 258C and the flash point is over 420C. I think Linus will be fine using the motherboard box as an insulator. By time it catches fire, he will already have other, greater, issues.
By connecting your water system loop to the on you created below the pool, you might also consider that, during the winter, since the temperature outside could drop till 3 degree Celsius, it might create the risk of condensation inside all the systems connected to it.
heat exchanger.
It would be a smart idea to install something like thermostat on cars. That way you can shut off valve if temperature of outside water is under ambient temperature. It wouldn't be so hard to implement, but you would need a second loop that wouldn't go outside.
That might be an issue if server fans didn't move air thru the case at transonic speeds.
I guess going that thin makes sense considering that you only have so much more room on your server rack at the new house. And hey, the fact that you can put a 3090 in such a thin server-mounted rig is impressive. I can’t even begin to imagine trying to fit a 4090.
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4090 pcbs are the same size as 3090s and there's already a 1 slot waterblock for reference pcbs.
4090 chonky size are mostly the heatsink, I think it would be about the same size as 3090 by watercooling it
@@CyanDumBell_MC True, but wouldn’t that still equate to higher cooling requirements? Or would that be irrelevant for water cooling in terms of how thick the water block would be?
@@Neoxon619 4090 is same TDP as 3090Ti but twice as efficient. Or you can go for more performance at the same power. Cooler is basically the same volume.
Motherboard electrical insulation: Get 1mm Thermal Pad in sheet form. Cheap, helps with thermals, electrically insulated.
IO Shield: use an ASRock or SuperMicro MB meant for rack mounting, the IO shields are 1U tall. You'll have to design the case to fit.
Power Supply: Should have used a Delta hot-swap; you'd need a break-out board, but people make them. Would have been more power, modular cords.
He could do what DIY Perks did & take apart a SFX-L power supply, but with a 1000w one & put it into this pc, but idk seems like some work to do.
there is a product called "fish paper" that is flame resistant and a good electrical insulator and quite thin. You should have this as a tool in your tool-box.
is that baking paper? ... if yes, baking paper is perfect.
@@splatt3d no it is not baking paper, it is very heat resistant. When I worked in the tv industry we used it to separate electronics parts. I don't know what else it might be called.it was more like a very thin very dense cardboard, I have only seen it in a blue-grey color.
can't wait for you guys to work out the tweaks and finalize the layout and then show us putting the final product together and deploying it. Really looking forward to that video.
and increase the temperature of his pool by 0.005 degrees C
Linus, once you finish this build you should partner up with those companies and release a LTT gaming 1U computer. People would buy them.
Yeah, I’d get one for sure.
I was gonna say no they wouldn't but never mind😮
Linus! shut up and take my money!
@Adam Hazza He has, and his reasoning is sound but it would still be nice. If they've already done the work use a system on a regular basis they could at least provide any data we'd need to replicate it ourselves. Honestly even a 2U solution would be nice, the main problem for me is finding a place to put the server rack and getting the fiber set up (I've tried doing some research on my own but it can be quite confusing and potentially expensive).
Just picturing people working with servers just slipping in there 1u gaming PC's in the work rac
You guys didn't actually need to tape the edge of the case where the I/O shield was supposed to go. The I/O shield is also used as a path to ground for the outside of the I/O ports, so you wouldn't be shorting anything out that wasn't supposed to already have that path in it.
was looking for this
@@Nur__ i wasnt
what the custom power going all over the place, it not normal PC power running steal of the case? there at least one in this with 24 volts going somewhere, so what about the rest on the stuff in the rack already who knows in the minus (-) side power thing already?
@@dh2032bro work on yo spelling ☠
@@whiffingherbs your
Man I love this channel, it gives tons of information whilst doing the coolest random shit
I recommend using Kapton tape next time instead of electrical tape. The adhesive is better than electrical for these surfaces and you can buy wider tape to cover more area.
The PCB component legs will pierce through the Kapton tape way too easily. It’s insulating but relatively weak.
man this looks really well integrated and you could think that its a specially designed product for a 1u gaming system, kinda like the Gigabyte 1u gaming server just in DIY and without a radiator and pumps
The mATX-spec motherboards are my bread and butter. They generally have all the features I need without me having to pay for extras that I don't use, and fitting them in a case is easy.
sadly they made only like 3 mATX boards for Zen 3. Not sure what Zen 4 was like, but I hope it improves.
@@wojtek-33 #AtxIsTheWay
@@loshan1212 the ONE x570 matx board also happens to have terrible vrms, expansions, and features
@@potatoes5829 yep. I'm currently using that board and being very annoyed being constantly reminded of how Asrock has no idea on how to make a motherboard yet.
But mATX boards are often more expensive than ATX ones, at least in Germany.
I work in a Datacenter, the idea is not to have any carbon material in the cage where the machines are hosted. Carbon gives off lots of smoke and can trigger the fire system with any minor fire. The strong ventilation can make any short circuit sparks light up quite fast any flammable material. A small fire turns into a huge one in seconds.
Linus: This tubing is pretty cool
Also Linus: Doesn't say which one it is
Anyone knows?
@@justan1ck Looks like ZMT to me
You totally need to source a hot swap server fan enclosure for those front fans. The problem has been solved.
They could probably even 3D print one. Shorten the cables by cutting and soldering, have the fan headers go into a backplane or something (PCBWay is great for those kinda cheap boards), and viola
Im just gonna ignore that I found out Jake was born in 2000. He’s a 35+ year old man.
Oh the math 😂 2024 - 2000 = 24
@@bradley5008HES 24 YEARS OLD?????????
@@LenasSun as I've heard several times "Gen Z ages like fine milk". As a gen Zer I can confirm. I am 22 and look 30
@bradley5008 lol, it's all the stress
Do you even know how to do math? Hes 24
The stock photo of the Raidmax Sagittarius absolutely threw me into nostalgia mode. The age of triple-core processors!
Also, Sunon MagLev fans are the reason server stuff is a lot more quiet these days. They're magical.
triple core processors feel like an animal with 3 eyes, so wrong yet it was the trend sometime
aren't triple cores just quads with a broken core?
@@darkpixel1128 yep. It was just amd trying to make a buck off a product that would otherwise go in the trash.
@@darkpixel1128 The magic of parts binning. The 5600X is the same, just x2 (and hyperthreading)
I'm still super happy with the performance of my 3700x ! Awesome to see it here. Just bought a water-cooler for it. And now it's so cool, even a little bit of a performance bump! Great video again as always!
Please release the CAD files! So many of us are in the same boat wanting to transition to 1u format but with little to no viable options!
Judging by the fact it was built by protocase for them, they can't release any CAD files as they're designed by protocase for commercial manufacturing (copyright, anyone?) and LTT would not even have the files and those aren't theirs to release in the first place.
😢
@@jacobburgin826 I understand the feeling but they can't do it but you could probably contact protocase regarding a 1u case, that's just my guess
yall should make some them like duuuhhhh
@@johnbienaszii7729 fair point but I was just making a suggestion based on their interest in the protocase suggestion.
I rack mounted my gaming computer about a year ago, and it was such a good use of space. While its still in the same room, the noise is behind me, and the heat doesn't sit in the corner my setup is in.
This has actually really helped me decide on how I want to build my gaming computers for my small public lan center I want to get around.
This was way cooler than I expected. I want to see 5 1U gaming PCs in a rack!
5? no. 5 for the kids, 2 for Yvonne and Linus. = 7. round up... to 8. :)
Something I want to see from older motherboards in newer motherboards (especially ITX), cutouts in motherboard IO shields for ventilation
New motherboards are so crammed with i/o that I don't thing they can fit vents
not to be a hater or anything bro, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the IO shield with how powerful pcs are nowadays. you have a lot of points of contact for all of your connections back there, you want to make sure there's no crosstalk or signal interference/degradation, and no cable to port connection is a perfect seal, back in the day there weren't nearly as many ports and the throughput was like a raindrop in the ocean compared to what the average pc uses today.
kinda nice to see what pulseway is doing here, not gonna beat devops methodology or powershell/bash stuffs but still nice, it's cool to see how all the different sponsors or company give you all the little stuffs needed perfectly for each things like the special water block, or psu, and the rest of the stuffs
this man is heating his pool with the heat off his server rack and i cant get enough of it
Would love to see the set-up... Ordinarily, in aircon units, piping is also insulated to prevent condensation, and although we are talking about heat from a water cooled system, you would probably use the same to avoid heat loss on the way to the pool heat exchange. This will involve bulky trunking.
Honestly I love this idea. As much as I love the look of a flashy $3000ish PC, I don't want to deal with the heat from the damn thing in my room. I'm still saving for my first PC, but I was actually considering hooking the exhaust up to a duct and running it through the wall into the attic to prevent it from dumping hot air into my bedroom. I would have to clean out a closet and this has a lot more costs involved but down the road it is something I am strongly considering.
I've always tried to keep mine near a window that I can open and it's worked out half decent. I've never had crazy wattage draw though.
I loved the section where they talked about not having flammabke stuff inside your pc and I am chilling here with my cardboard box that houses my pc parts XD
Those actually can be an issue because if your mobo shorts, it can ground fault to the screws, which in turn send it back through the case to the PSU plug to terminal ground (your wall plug).
Shorting through cardboard = bad.
Always have liked the concept because wood and cardboard PC's are definitely an aesthetic, but without some sort of metal frame bridging the standoffs to the PSU it can go bad (PCB fires are pretty).
Dude Linus' reaction to Jake being right about the fan hub is hilarious. I could FEEL the "Listen I know you're right but I really, really hate that you are at the moment."
Instead of tape, why dont you use insulation paper. Find a local motor rewinder and get a small sheet. Its good up to 4000V and fire proof
I like that your most popular sponsors you actually put together a real use case illustrating the utility they provide.
Since you have 3d printer; could have printed 1 or 2 millimeter motherboard insulator board/backing instead of using cardboard.
yeah but it wouldve taken the printer an hour to finish
this build is sick, absolutely a game changer as well.
You're planning to actually use your own pool to cool those PCs... Linus I thought it was all just a joke, you're a madman!
Dat thermal mass!
@@samiraperi467 all the people inside because too cold out playing on computers that keep the pool from freezing ...
I would have been so disappointed had it been a joke. I have thought about similar for a while (never done any watercooling, and I find the idea of another moving part (over the pump) weird and wrong; moving parts are always bad): different but basically the same "external radiator-thingy" (or, simply, external heat exchange)
I don't think it will work.
Concrete is bad for taking up heating. And dispersing it.
@@edenjung9816 What part don't you think will work? It should have no issue whatsoever keeping the machines cool.
6:09
I/O shields are about EMI - if you're willing to live with it, not a big deal since it's not a commercial-built system.
You're NOT likely to cause noticeable interference issues.
Perfect path for being a dad Linus. Seeing what you come up with and how to implement it is great.
I think it's funny that every two weeks Linus gets a new PC haha. He has more computers at home than I could ever imagine.
That's infinite content, baby!
This is an awesome build my new fav
Hey Jake. Thanks for switching off all the lights in my house 😂 and for activating Siri 2 more times after that 🤣
Hey Siri, live my life for me! Thanks!
Jake knows a lot about computers. Great chemistry with Linus too! 👍
To get tubing over larger than you should barbs, place end of tubing in boiled water. Just put the kettle on, put in a mug, dip in tubes. Cools and super tight.
A heat gun is way faster and easier
@@user-fw6eg3hc8f Hot water you can never burn the tubing and it evenly heats every part o f the tubing up to the point you immerse them. Literally get the kettle on to boil. Get your stuff together. poor water in mug. Immerse tubing for less then a minute and on it goes. Fast and easy. And every decent workshop has an electric kettle, how else would you make tea?
This is genuinely my favorite PC build from LTT. I love how resourceful, and clever this design is.
What if instead of cardboard, you just used one big ol' 3mm thermal pad? Not sure if it would be all that beneficial transferring MoBo heat to the case buuuut at least they are designed to withstand the heat and not be electrically conductive. Another concern of cardboard is if there were to be a leak in the cooling system, something absorbent becomes a big conductor if it happens to get exposed to moisture.
Very classy. I like how everything is contained in that unit, no extra power supplies or hubs. Well done!
That’s actually so sick
Linus: "were going to build 5 of these. So shelling out for premium motherboards doesn't make a lot of sense"
Also Linus: technically we could use a 31$ CAT5 to USB extender for are peripherals but instead were going to use a 1600$ fiberoptic dock.
Me: 🧐......smart
16:40 Sunbeamtech was the only brand that ever made a good fan controller. they had good components and even made a PWM one that I've had in service for 10 years without any failures. Rheosmart 6 as I recall
i feel like a chassie/vertical blade kind of setup would work better here, can easily get 5 systems in 4 or 5U with ability to work on one at a time but with far less height contraints as you would have 3.8 inches (19 inches/5) of room vs 1.75 inches
what would he do for the CPU there? He's using physically separate ones because of anti-cheat issues. Are ITX motherboards small enough to fit multiple in a server footprint?
3:30 Why you didn't just cover that part with transparent varnirsh (for insulation)? It's more convenient on my opinion
Couldn't you have used thermal tape instead of cardboard???
Overall I like this! You guys give me so many ideas about how I want to build my custom PC/Custom PC desk setup! Hope to maybe pitch this idea to you, do a collab, and build it for real!
I would have expected some kind of conformal coating on the board, but it makes sense not to do that on a test bed like this. Maybe on the full deployment we will see something like that
They have a laser cutter, they can turn out their own proper shield.
I suggested kapton tape.
Good ol' Canadian insulator, HPHT: hot pink hockey tape.
@@poe_thirteen Yeah this, if they want it to last they need to coat it, but then I don't think their longevity expectations or requirements are to the level that would legit require the kind of coating I use.
I love the idea of this kind of thing and a a family lan room is super cool! That would be awesome, I would have loved that as a kid. My dad would play games with my sister and I whenever we could and even my mom would join if we had another controller or if she was up to it :) this would have been such a cool way to enjoy those times. I hope to do something like that but with my niece :)
I love how you can physically see linus at 21:47 just wishing, thinking, dreaming of making them all like this, he is probably gonna do it XD
Hope to see the vid soon
A bucket of Liquid Rubber (roof sealant) would be pretty handy for insulating the motherboard instead of cardboard. Just paint on a few layers and its good to go!
Or flexseal
@@wojtek-33 could be some of them smell, one that is food grade/body safe should be fine... Or just a silicone mat. The ones made for ovens are food grade and wont smell.
Never seen a LTT video with such a great integration of the sponsor spots with the rest of the video. It made a great flow overall and actually didn't mind watching them.
I love the rapport between jake and linus. their constant passive aggressive bickering with each other is just hilarious.
Wall with "F**K"😂 4:08
You really should consider spinning your own little PCBs for things like fan splitters. You got electrical engineers on hand, and JLCPCB or PCBWay would be eager to sponsor I guess. Plus it would be a clean build.
Marcus --> "You really should consider spinning your own little PCBs for things like fan splitters."
That's a great idea for the LTT store... 👌
16:55
Yes, you're wrong - most fan hubs break, not all.
But the ones I've never had issues with came out of my (badly outdated, long since stripped for parts) Innosilicon A2 units and don't have a brand name on them.
I was thinking, they could have use the antistatique wrapping bag from their mother board to isolate the back. It would have been finer and the almost the right size.
Antistatic bags are conductive. That's why they dont build up static electricity
All I want to see after this is a cost breakdown, cos as much as I would love to try something like that, I expect trying to achieve it on my average budget is still a no go, the PSU alone is probably 3 times what mine costs, let alone the custom rack mounted case etc.
Craft computing does builds with the 3 gpu 1U servers that run about $300 dollars on ebay, sure you are limited in choices for gpu, but even with M40 cards he was able to run 6 separate virtualizations of crisis
Would you include the whole pool for cooling in the budget?
I was just imagining what kind of sick laptop with desktop part setup that could be made into.
Like a server rack long ways across a lap and having legs at each end to prop it up, then 1 ultra wide monitor attached to a back plate or funky arm and would fold down into the rack.
With a slide in keyboard mount/ramp.
that went together wayyyyyy easier than LTT's track record would have predicted.
Tbh I want to see a 2U 2 systems build too. Seems cooler even if less practical
2U actually seems way more practical to me. You wouldn't have to worry about the standoff screw being too long, you could use almost any part, bigger fans in case you don't have a pool, etc. The downside is having to shut them down in pairs, but I can't think of a less critical workload than "gaming PC".
@@stribika0 I agree with you. Was Linus who said it was more impractical.
5:10 you can buy wide Kapton tape. It would be perfect for the isolation. And it's heat resistant and thin.
60 seconds in and I’m just shaking my head Imagining how much better this would be in a 2u format….
imagine getting a notification that your house is burning down
0:37 whoa.. thats blast from the past. when i built my first pc in the raidmax sagitta!
LINUS: We need to be budget conscious
ALSO LINUS: look at this custom made water cooled chassi and my EK gear
ALSO ALSO LINUS: Can't wati to hook this up to my custom pool heat exchanger
Hey, nobody said the budget was low XD
To be fair, those are budgetary write-offs since he can claim it as a business expense.
Plus the sponsor pays for it anyway.
Plus Plus it's just a cool video.
Also Linus: $1400 USB extender in each machine
Heating up pool water with your pc watercooling is technically being budget conscious because you are making use of generated heat that would otherwise have been dissipated into the air undesirably warming up a room.
Nobody said you should go out and build your own pool.
And as for the EK stuff, I see that as an investment as you can reuse those parts in the future as apart from the cpu/gpu blocks the rest of the watercooling parts are unlikely to change much any time soon.
being budget conscious doesn't mean not spending any money lol, like this *is* price to preformance, and he will likely be saving money with the heat output of a 3090
Meanwhile i watch this video on my toaster of a pc 🤣🤣
Heating your pool with PC byproduct heat. You have my respect
Linus, you should do the 2U chassis for you and Yvonne's PC. I would love to see it and would make for another good video. I have been considering doing this for a gaming and streaming PC in one chassis. I would love to see the results! It would take up the same 2U space and would be awesome!
Would love to see a full Pulse-way setup. Seems like a cool management program.
@Arron Jones Damn, that sounds annoying. Thanks for sharing! Is there another software you could recommend instead? Thanks for sharing!
For insulation under the MB. Transparency film for laser printers is nice. High temp. High voltage and very puncture proof compared to tape and cardboard.
About the cardboard. You are putting it in a rack of which you expect it to be hot (since you dont want the original room to get heated), plus the heat can not really go away, so I think its a bit weird you accept this potential fire hazard so easily. Especially when there's tape available that doesn't conduct and is more resistant to fire. Oh and btw, you couldve just put the tape on the chassis instead of the motherboard. Which makes maintenance a lot easier
Cardboard has a self-ignition temperature of about 427°C, which is just about 800°F. I think they'd be running into a lot greater issues if the inside of their computer got hotter than the cylinder temperature of a gasoline engine.
@@imitt12 Don’t give them any video ideas 🤣
One thing that I'm not sure has been pointed out yet is enabling Hyper-V in a windows KVM, it makes anti-cheat blind to the VM. There may be some other things that need to be tweaked but I have heard that Hyper-V works wonders when enabled.
lots of anti cheat just won't run with hyper v enabled
@@crashniels havent seen one yet, also all serious anticheats will work because they know that they cant alienate that big of a market as people who use wsl2 and basic hyperv are
But also would make sense as technicly as soon as you enable hyperv your desktop is in a vm
Would make sense as otherwise how would games even work dince as soon as you enable hyperv you are in vm
@@bigpod faceit or genshin or some others do this. When you try to start it tells you to disable hyper v in order to start.
@@crashniels never played those games i guess never will, as hyperv is nowdays mainstay in my system.
All antichewts i have to deal with dont even bat an eye
THIS. This whole machine, in all of it's configuration and demonstration, has always been (and still is) "The Dream".
Linus getting the wife approval for us really helps
True
if you need to create an insulative backing for your motherboard (like they did with the tape) you can use vinyl wrap, like for cars. Its actually pretty affordable and available in tons of colors and finishes to get a professional look.
They could probably even get dbrand to make some memey print for them
All these plastics sound awful for ESD. And for that reason, I'm out!
Ayyy, cool to see Pulseway sponser again. I use it every day at work
0:13 Well, I live in europe and therefore will have no gas this winter, so this is actually a plus in my case... hehe... case.
Can you actually do a production version of this? I would love to buy that case.