Very interesting video, I m passionate about this not well known Era, I will love if you do a video on the post arzawa situation, meonian, mysian carian and lycian, thracian and cimmerians migrations and then the mighty phrygians, keep up your good work.
Thank you brother, I really appreciate it. It really means a lot to the channel to have people like you that voice their support on almost every video. Much respect!
@@WanaxTV I especially appreciate that you cover Hittites not just in this general way as a maybe 1-3 episodes for whole civilization but really dig into details. This is really unique and this Civ is definitly looked over too much. Thank you!
Because history is a spook and unfortunately very few people end up ever learning anything of substance from it. Those that do, end up finding out that nothing has changed except for the scale of things while humanity still faces the same fundamental problems it always has. Also, normal people have other (hopefully important) things to do rather than (to paraphrase Thucydides) bother with garage made up by poets for a contemporary audience or the ramblings of chroniclers more concerned with their constructed narratives instead of reporting timeless history. In addition, for what reason would a society(ies) of barely settled semi literate farmers care to?
Great video! Arzawa deserves a place among the great kingdoms of the bronze age, Egypt thought as much. Amenhotep III married his daughter to Tarhuntaradu, King of Arzawa and took for himself an Arzawa wife. Though they were certainly occupied by the Hittites periodically, their frequent rebellions attest to their strength of culture and desire for self rule. I suspect they had a role in the Hittite collapse with such a massive ax to grind.
2:25 How "Armenian"? That's, I must say a very anachronistic error, in those days would-be Armenia was Urartu, a Hurrian country. Armenians are an offshoot of the Phrygians, in turn derivef from the Macedonians or Bryges: these peoples would only arrive to Anatolia (from the Balcans) centuries later in the c. 1178 massive "sea peoples" (Greek-led) campaign against the Hittites and allies, probably beginning in the semi-legendary Trojan War. In any case there are no Armenians of any sort until the middle 1st century BCE.
Actually, no. Urartu was one of Armenian kingdoms. Before the Urartu there were Hayasa-Azzi and Nairi which played significant role in Armenian ethnogenesis. The theory, that Armenians are somehow related to Macedonians or Bryges or Phrygians is based on a theory, that Armenian language is close to Phrygian language. I don't know why it is still the main theory of ethnogenesis of Armenian people, but the recent consensus is, that Phrygian is more close to a Greek language and there are very few connections with Armenian language. My personal point of view is the following: There was a tribe named Mushks, which was migrated from the Balkans in the early bronze age and brings its own culture and language, joined to proto-Armenians, Luvians, Hurians and eventually the mixture of all those tribes formed Armenian ethnos. This is also proven by the latest DNA analysis, which shows, that Armenian haplogroup (R1b1a2a) has not changed much in the last few millenniums In Armenian plateau.
@@Ruben-by4oy - Why do I think Urartu was Hurrian? It's a well known fact generally accepted by historians: there's no Armenia before well into the Iron Age. From Wikipedia (Urartean language): "Urartian or Vannic is an extinct Hurro-Urartian language which was spoken by the inhabitants of the ancient kingdom of Urartu (Biaini or Biainili in Urartian) (...) First attested in the 9th century BCE, Urartian ceased to be written after the fall of the Urartian state in 585 BCE and presumably became extinct due to the fall of Urartu.[4] It must have had long contact with, and been gradually totally replaced by, an early form of Armenian,[5][6][7] although it is only in the 5th century CE that the first written examples of Armenian appear.[8]" So we have a clearly documented transition between Hurrian Urartu and Indoeuropean Armenia c. 600-500 BCE.
Underrated channel.
Great work keep going
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Very interesting video, I m passionate about this not well known Era, I will love if you do a video on the post arzawa situation, meonian, mysian carian and lycian, thracian and cimmerians migrations and then the mighty phrygians, keep up your good work.
Nice job. I have to credit all your videos. Very accurate! 👌
Thank you, really appreciate it! Next video will be interesting, I'm still working on it!
I love WanaxTv, I value all of your vedios, a very important time of human civilization, I will watch these vedios forever. 👍
Thank you brother, I really appreciate it. It really means a lot to the channel to have people like you that voice their support on almost every video. Much respect!
Amazing channel!
Thank You! Really appreciate it. Enjoy!
@@WanaxTV I especially appreciate that you cover Hittites not just in this general way as a maybe 1-3 episodes for whole civilization but really dig into details. This is really unique and this Civ is definitly looked over too much. Thank you!
@@daPawlak Yes, that's true. It's my favorite part of history! Thanks
Excellent Episode 👍
I have a Great Interest in the Late Bronze Age!
It was America, they were fighting over America. The Zannaza affair is the Helen of Troy reference. Thanks for sharing.
Great video!! Love your content!
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it!
Great video
I'm still wondering how and why the greeks forgot the hittite empire existed!
Because history is a spook and unfortunately very few people end up ever learning anything of substance from it. Those that do, end up finding out that nothing has changed except for the scale of things while humanity still faces the same fundamental problems it always has.
Also, normal people have other (hopefully important) things to do rather than (to paraphrase Thucydides) bother with garage made up by poets for a contemporary audience or the ramblings of chroniclers more concerned with their constructed narratives instead of reporting timeless history. In addition, for what reason would a society(ies) of barely settled semi literate farmers care to?
well that period is pretty wonk for sources
I can supply you with a paper on the latest undestanding on mycenaean unity.
Maybe I missed something, and you sound credible, but I would truly appreciate a bibliography.
Great video! Arzawa deserves a place among the great kingdoms of the bronze age, Egypt thought as much. Amenhotep III married his daughter to Tarhuntaradu, King of Arzawa and took for himself an Arzawa wife. Though they were certainly occupied by the Hittites periodically, their frequent rebellions attest to their strength of culture and desire for self rule. I suspect they had a role in the Hittite collapse with such a massive ax to grind.
Egyptians did not give their princesses as wives to other countries in this time period.
2:25 How "Armenian"? That's, I must say a very anachronistic error, in those days would-be Armenia was Urartu, a Hurrian country. Armenians are an offshoot of the Phrygians, in turn derivef from the Macedonians or Bryges: these peoples would only arrive to Anatolia (from the Balcans) centuries later in the c. 1178 massive "sea peoples" (Greek-led) campaign against the Hittites and allies, probably beginning in the semi-legendary Trojan War. In any case there are no Armenians of any sort until the middle 1st century BCE.
Actually, no.
Urartu was one of Armenian kingdoms. Before the Urartu there were Hayasa-Azzi and Nairi which played significant role in Armenian ethnogenesis.
The theory, that Armenians are somehow related to Macedonians or Bryges or Phrygians is based on a theory, that Armenian language is close to Phrygian language. I don't know why it is still the main theory of ethnogenesis of Armenian people, but the recent consensus is, that Phrygian is more close to a Greek language and there are very few connections with Armenian language.
My personal point of view is the following: There was a tribe named Mushks, which was migrated from the Balkans in the early bronze age and brings its own culture and language, joined to proto-Armenians, Luvians, Hurians and eventually the mixture of all those tribes formed Armenian ethnos. This is also proven by the latest DNA analysis, which shows, that Armenian haplogroup (R1b1a2a) has not changed much in the last few millenniums In Armenian plateau.
@@Ruben-by4oy - Urartu was Hurrian (or Hurro-Urartean if you prefer).
@@LuisAldamiz why you think so? What are your arguments?
@@Ruben-by4oy - Why do I think Urartu was Hurrian? It's a well known fact generally accepted by historians: there's no Armenia before well into the Iron Age.
From Wikipedia (Urartean language): "Urartian or Vannic is an extinct Hurro-Urartian language which was spoken by the inhabitants of the ancient kingdom of Urartu (Biaini or Biainili in Urartian) (...) First attested in the 9th century BCE, Urartian ceased to be written after the fall of the Urartian state in 585 BCE and presumably became extinct due to the fall of Urartu.[4] It must have had long contact with, and been gradually totally replaced by, an early form of Armenian,[5][6][7] although it is only in the 5th century CE that the first written examples of Armenian appear.[8]"
So we have a clearly documented transition between Hurrian Urartu and Indoeuropean Armenia c. 600-500 BCE.
Is it ar-zaw-wa or arts-wa? I've heard it pronounced both ways now.
Z is pronounced as 'ts' in both Hittite and Luwian, so it should be 'Artsaṷa'
@@Linduine I think you're right; just recently heard it just that way. Thx!
Arzhawa- means/Sanskrit/ bright,shiny.
@@nikolaykolev1438 Thx!