Military guys often try to use military tactics to make their sons like soldiers but all they do is break the children's spirits and leave them ineffectual.
That's very true, in many cases it's all they know. It's not even at theyre bad necessarily, they just can't conceive of any other way to raise children.
My father was at same generation of man so that I was an artist so that I was emotional and tuned in to mental physical stuff. One day came in drunk, caught me drawing at the kitchen table and said to me I don’t see you as an asset, I see you as a liability. My father, accounting and dividends work with several Wall Street firms he saw everything in terms of pluses and minuses, additions and subtractions assets or liabilities. You know like to be told you by your accountant that you’re a liability?
Seems to be an issue with many households...The mother is too coddling, and the father goes to the opposite extreme to counteract it, and what you end up with a mess.
Yeah, but as I recall from the documentary, the dad in this case was *really* abusive. (He broke Robert's collarbone when he was a kid, for example...) Scary guy...
zach: I don't know if "Coddling" is really the right word for what Crumb's mom did. She was pretty bad in her own way. Crumb did one comic about a boy whose mom keeps chasing him around trying to give him an enema until he distracts her by turning the TV on and putting it in front of her. And it turns out that, yes, his mom did forcibly give him an enema. And they fought violently, and the violence came from both sides, not just the deed. I think she took a lot of amphetamine pills, too, as a lot of housewives in the fifties did.
@@milascave2 I read someplace once that, for whatever bizarre reason, high-colonic enemas were at one time a popular big thing in many parts of the Midwest, particularly during the early to mid 20th Century. It was not unusual to find such things as "High Colonic Parlors" in many cities & towns. Weird, I know, but absolutely true. In any event, Crumb's mom was undoubtedly part of the generation that followed that nutty practice.
@@MrPGC137 yeah on Christmas morning his dad broke his collar bone trying to discipline him. If you beat your kid, especially on a holiday, you gotta deal with the possibility that you permanently warpped their world view. And i dont mean discipline, like spanking or w/e. If you break your childs bone, you went too far
This made me think of a throwaway moment in Freaks & Geeks that nonetheless spoke volumes about how Harold Weir grew up: Mr. Weir: Nick’s father is a hard man. My old man was the same way. Lindsay: Yeah, I know the feeling. Mr. Weir (pointedly): Lindsay, trust me. You don’t.
Don't trust people who are always smiling for no apparent reason; because there is a reason. People who say "you need to smile more" can fuck right off. What you see is what you get. I won't bullshit you.
I agree 100%- I hate when people tell me to smile. My face at rest is naturally unhappy looking. Can't help that, not with the way I was brought up. that's the way it goes.
I read about this somewhere, a lot of the WW2 veterans felt lost in the years after the war. The ones who went into white collar jobs felt either castrated or over-regimented. That was the source of The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit. The author felt like he was in the army all over again, wearing the suit like a uniform and doing regimented tasks where he wasn't allowed to plan anything himself. But Crumb's father was probably over-the-top, and thought his wife was turning the boys into sissies (which they probably were.)
Hero to Zero. It's not just marines. What do you think the once worshipped doctors and nurses are feeling as the pandemic wanes and/or they refuse vaccines?
What comes out is where the person is at in the process of his becoming more conscious and more conscious or staying at the same level of awareness. Now that we have the internet what is greatly wrong is when people who are advanced in certain ways knowingly mislead the public. Knowingly misleading the public is happening on the net. When only a few people recognize falsehoods the falsehoods may not get deleted.
Every one of his sons turned into perverts, freaks and losers. The best thing for his sons was to get them as far away as possible from that scattered brained mother of theirs and get them into hunting, fishing and military service (not US) but French Foreign Legion where they’d interact with a wide variety of different ethnicities while learning to be men. Men need to learn to be men and be instructed in culture, religion, arts, philosophy and warfare.
Is a large part of the depression from them not finishing college, having a family right after the war so they'd see others advance while they got passed up for promotions?
So many "man's man" type critics here: nerd-boy Crumb will be remembered in history, but you guys are just an avatar and several words in the TH-cam comments-section (yes, I am too, I know). Crumb, for his sheer autobiographical-content honesty (boy, does he reveal and thereby OWN his psyche/subconscious!) is one of the psychologically/emotionally BRAVEST humans who has ever lived! Have at me, macho poseurs!
This is exactly the sort of pathetic ressentiment about masculinity that Crumb had, except at least he was honest about it. I'd say someone who walk into a Hellish war and keeps himself from breaking is more psychologically and emotionally brave than someone who explicates dark parts of themselves openly and honestly. The latter takes courage, but it doesn't make you one of the most courageous to ever live
@@immanuelcunt7296 Well, I still believe he is...the stuff he's revealed in excruciating detail, is normally only heard amid nervous "ums" and "ahs" by shrinks in safe one-on-one privacy. But soldiers, firemen and the like...I wasn't referencing them when I used the word "poseurs", I was referencing actual POSEURS, which the above are not, though it's possible, maybe even common, for those with "physical courage" to have a terror of airing-out the dirty laundry.
they had the same urge to unfold or transform their own personality and life into their art. fortunately. both of them are very high on my list of favorite artists
You can see the pain in his eyes. Cover the mouth with your thumb/hand and look at the eyes. Anyone walking around with a fixed smile has something going on that they're hiding
His father must have felt threatened by Crumb's intellect and wit. Probably because he himself had neither. I remember reading about Brian Wilson (of the Beach Boys) and how his father abused and tortured him too while he was growing up. Insecure men are threatened by their sons' talents when they can tell at an early age that their sons will surpass them later on in life.
I don't think it was that; I think it was simply he was of a generation that judged "manhood" on such superficial (and relatively unimportant) criteria as whether or not they were good football players and such. Anything that didn't fit inside that narrow definition of "manhood" they simply couldn't accept. Ever see the play or movie "Tea & Sympathy"?
@Bryce Thibodeaux That was probably a factor as well, but I still think the time & culture probably had a lot more to do with it. Artist William Kurelek also had similar experiences growing up with an extremely harsh father & childhood environment, and also suffered emotional scars as a result (in his case, so severe he had to be institutionalized.)
@Bryce Thibodeaux Oh, it changes a person. My father went through the war, but really he coddled me more and my mother (and stepfather) were more the hard-ass ones. But he just happened to be different in many ways. His father was a boxer, but he never cared about any sport at all, and though he did serve in WW 2 and then again in a war in Israel, he served as a medic and then became a writer. He was not void of old school attitudes but they manifested very differently. You can't tar any generation with the same brush (though i is very popular to do so these days.)
In this case perhaps, but not with the Beach Boys. Murry Wilson strongly encouraged the success of his sons and is the reason they got into music. He just seemed to have uncontrollable anger.
Marvin Gaye's father was a strict disciplinarian who didn't approve of his son's musical career and eventually shot and killed him. Its been said, that he was also jealous of Marvin because of his success and Marvin ended up supporting the family.
Considering how his mother came off in the documentary Crumb, I'm thinking she must've had some mental issues and Crumb's father either the same, or he was just a hard ass man who didn't know how to do different. In any case, the Crumb kids as boys in photos looked pretty normal, but something must've been off in the upbringing/parents/home to make them grow up so fucked up as they were.
This has to do a lot with appearance, if you look like your not capable of doing anything other than paperwork in your life, you start to accept your fate as a geek.
this tard is oblitrating all youtube. i just block, delete any channel writing this idiots name, no matter what. even vids with critique about him are a waste of lifetime.
All you Peterson fans seems to love regurgitating this quote in every Crumb video, all the while being completely oblivious to the fact that he wasn't referring to Robert. It's in reference to his brother who talks about the impulses driving him to molest women.
oedipal mothers they are called. when the mother coddles the child over a long period of time, the boys do not grow up and become men. they grow up and and remain little boys. the father needed to do more to prevent that stuff at an earlier age
mowriter I agree wholeheartedly, fathers if you are reading this, raise your sons, wrestle them, toss them around, have them practice punches and kicks on bags you hold. All that time spent baking in the kitchen with mom is nice, but it does us hardly any favours when we’re grown and are still too timid and afraid to commit to scary man jobs like the trades.
Hmmm, interpreting a movie where someone has many sexual hang-ups regarding women, particularly imposing women, has an adversarial relationship with his father and a half-coddled/half-rebellious relationship with his mother as an Oedipal situation is a dipshit hypothesis? He's practically the poster child for mommy issues, you moron 😂😂
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Military guys often try to use military tactics to make their sons like soldiers but all they do is break the children's spirits and leave them ineffectual.
That's very true, in many cases it's all they know. It's not even at theyre bad necessarily, they just can't conceive of any other way to raise children.
My father was at same generation of man so that I was an artist so that I was emotional and tuned in to mental physical stuff. One day came in drunk, caught me drawing at the kitchen table and said to me I don’t see you as an asset, I see you as a liability. My father, accounting and dividends work with several Wall Street firms he saw everything in terms of pluses and minuses, additions and subtractions assets or liabilities. You know like to be told you by your accountant that you’re a liability?
That's terrible, sir. I'm sorry you had to grow up being told this.
Seems to be an issue with many households...The mother is too coddling, and the father goes to the opposite extreme to counteract it, and what you end up with a mess.
Yeah, but as I recall from the documentary, the dad in this case was *really* abusive. (He broke Robert's collarbone when he was a kid, for example...) Scary guy...
zach: I don't know if "Coddling" is really the right word for what Crumb's mom did. She was pretty bad in her own way. Crumb did one comic about a boy whose mom keeps chasing him around trying to give him an enema until he distracts her by turning the TV on and putting it in front of her. And it turns out that, yes, his mom did forcibly give him an enema. And they fought violently, and the violence came from both sides, not just the deed. I think she took a lot of amphetamine pills, too, as a lot of housewives in the fifties did.
@@milascave2 I read someplace once that, for whatever bizarre reason, high-colonic enemas were at one time a popular big thing in many parts of the Midwest, particularly during the early to mid 20th Century. It was not unusual to find such things as "High Colonic Parlors" in many cities & towns. Weird, I know, but absolutely true. In any event, Crumb's mom was undoubtedly part of the generation that followed that nutty practice.
That's an interesting thing in this doc: We see the influence parents have on their children.
@@MrPGC137 yeah on Christmas morning his dad broke his collar bone trying to discipline him.
If you beat your kid, especially on a holiday, you gotta deal with the possibility that you permanently warpped their world view.
And i dont mean discipline, like spanking or w/e. If you break your childs bone, you went too far
This made me think of a throwaway moment in Freaks & Geeks that nonetheless spoke volumes about how Harold Weir grew up:
Mr. Weir: Nick’s father is a hard man. My old man was the same way.
Lindsay: Yeah, I know the feeling.
Mr. Weir (pointedly): Lindsay, trust me. You don’t.
The opening scene of him in his boxers talking to his kids about the Sex Pistols and Elvis is genius.
Makes me a little emotional thinking about that scene. It was such a sweet brief moment that said volumes about every character involved.
Don't trust people who are always smiling for no apparent reason; because there is a reason.
People who say "you need to smile more" can fuck right off. What you see is what you get. I won't bullshit you.
I agree 100%- I hate when people tell me to smile. My face at rest is naturally unhappy looking. Can't help that, not with the way I was brought up. that's the way it goes.
Right
I read about this somewhere, a lot of the WW2 veterans felt lost in the years after the war. The ones who went into white collar jobs felt either castrated or over-regimented. That was the source of The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit. The author felt like he was in the army all over again, wearing the suit like a uniform and doing regimented tasks where he wasn't allowed to plan anything himself. But Crumb's father was probably over-the-top, and thought his wife was turning the boys into sissies (which they probably were.)
Hero to Zero. It's not just marines. What do you think the once worshipped doctors and nurses are feeling as the pandemic wanes and/or they refuse vaccines?
@@lillianbradley2206 What do you expect? The government takes over our well-being and forces us to get vaccines.
What comes out is where the person is at in the process of his becoming more conscious and more conscious or staying at the same level of awareness. Now that we have the internet what is greatly wrong is when people who are advanced in certain ways knowingly mislead the public. Knowingly misleading the public is happening on the net. When only a few people recognize falsehoods the falsehoods may not get deleted.
Every one of his sons turned into perverts, freaks and losers. The best thing for his sons was to get them as far away as possible from that scattered brained mother of theirs and get them into hunting, fishing and military service (not US) but French Foreign Legion where they’d interact with a wide variety of different ethnicities while learning to be men.
Men need to learn to be men and be instructed in culture, religion, arts, philosophy and warfare.
Is a large part of the depression from them not finishing college, having a family right after the war so they'd see others advance while they got passed up for promotions?
So many "man's man" type critics here: nerd-boy Crumb will be remembered in history, but you guys are just an avatar and several words in the TH-cam comments-section (yes, I am too, I know). Crumb, for his sheer autobiographical-content honesty (boy, does he reveal and thereby OWN his psyche/subconscious!) is one of the psychologically/emotionally BRAVEST humans who has ever lived! Have at me, macho poseurs!
This is exactly the sort of pathetic ressentiment about masculinity that Crumb had, except at least he was honest about it.
I'd say someone who walk into a Hellish war and keeps himself from breaking is more psychologically and emotionally brave than someone who explicates dark parts of themselves openly and honestly. The latter takes courage, but it doesn't make you one of the most courageous to ever live
@@immanuelcunt7296 Well, I still believe he is...the stuff he's revealed in excruciating detail, is normally only heard amid nervous "ums" and "ahs" by shrinks in safe one-on-one privacy. But soldiers, firemen and the like...I wasn't referencing them when I used the word "poseurs", I was referencing actual POSEURS, which the above are not, though it's possible, maybe even common, for those with "physical courage" to have a terror of airing-out the dirty laundry.
@RD-lt3ht You, my friend, are a shallow, shallow man.
Crumb was a great friend of Famous Writer and Poet Bukowski.
they had the same urge to unfold or transform their own personality and life into their art. fortunately. both of them are very high on my list of favorite artists
No they weren't. I met Buk a few times... it would have come up.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie
Crumb did illustrations for some of his books.
@@devinbell4816 Name one.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie just look it up fool
Nobody talking about how terrifying his father was in the last picture..
You can see the pain in his eyes. Cover the mouth with your thumb/hand and look at the eyes.
Anyone walking around with a fixed smile has something going on that they're hiding
@@TheMasterTelevision That's not the photo he's referring to.
So he should have stayed home and not fight Hitler? ok
@@TheKitchenerLeslie No one said that. But consequences must be dealt with.
@@lillianbradley2206 That sounds antisemitic.
His father must have felt threatened by Crumb's intellect and wit. Probably because he himself had neither. I remember reading about Brian Wilson (of the Beach Boys) and how his father abused and tortured him too while he was growing up. Insecure men are threatened by their sons' talents when they can tell at an early age that their sons will surpass them later on in life.
I don't think it was that; I think it was simply he was of a generation that judged "manhood" on such superficial (and relatively unimportant) criteria as whether or not they were good football players and such. Anything that didn't fit inside that narrow definition of "manhood" they simply couldn't accept. Ever see the play or movie "Tea & Sympathy"?
@Bryce Thibodeaux That was probably a factor as well, but I still think the time & culture probably had a lot more to do with it. Artist William Kurelek also had similar experiences growing up with an extremely harsh father & childhood environment, and also suffered emotional scars as a result (in his case, so severe he had to be institutionalized.)
@Bryce Thibodeaux Oh, it changes a person. My father went through the war, but really he coddled me more and my mother (and stepfather) were more the hard-ass ones. But he just happened to be different in many ways. His father was a boxer, but he never cared about any sport at all, and though he did serve in WW 2 and then again in a war in Israel, he served as a medic and then became a writer. He was not void of old school attitudes but they manifested very differently. You can't tar any generation with the same brush (though i is very popular to do so these days.)
In this case perhaps, but not with the Beach Boys. Murry Wilson strongly encouraged the success of his sons and is the reason they got into music. He just seemed to have uncontrollable anger.
Marvin Gaye's father was a strict disciplinarian who didn't approve of his son's musical career and eventually shot and killed him. Its been said, that he was also jealous of Marvin because of his success and Marvin ended up supporting the family.
Considering how his mother came off in the documentary Crumb, I'm thinking she must've had some mental issues and Crumb's father either the same, or he was just a hard ass man who didn't know how to do different.
In any case, the Crumb kids as boys in photos looked pretty normal, but something must've been off in the upbringing/parents/home to make them grow up so fucked up as they were.
Come on Robert .. you can still be a marine and make your late father proud.
Love his trademark sardonic laugh!
Mr.Natural says: Don´t worry, i´m god ;-)))
Also, its actually on TH-cam for free to watch with the channel Crackle if you didn't know that already
This has to do a lot with appearance, if you look like your not capable of doing anything other than paperwork in your life, you start to accept your fate as a geek.
His dad looked like Shack/Ernest Borgnine, in Emperor of the North.
Its heartbreaking
Everyone contributes to the evolution of humanity's journey toward the understanding of Universal Consciousness.
His father looks high lol
Jordan Peterson sent me here
John Cloeter same
Shame on you for not knowing your Crumb. The level of uneducation these days are depressing.
HBH ZTH and grammatically, it should be "is depressing". Just saying 😉
Same here
this tard is oblitrating all youtube. i just block, delete any channel writing this idiots name, no matter what. even vids with critique about him are a waste of lifetime.
At 1:07, cover everything other than his eyes using your fingers and get a glimpse at this mans soul.
So basically you're confirming the myth that the eyes are the gateway to ones soul?
@@jmp01a24 Myth? Do you not look into eyes? Have you never seen past the mask?
creepy shit huh
Someone else mentioned this little trick, odd. Looks like the eyes of one of my friends and his family. They’re an intense and sometimes dark bunch
@@jmp01a24 Take a look at Kenneth Copeland’s eyes and tell me that they aren’t the window to the soul lol
His dad looks like Jim Breur if he was on Dragnet
What a crumby guy
Hey man.
Secretly I like what you do..
Where can I get this film?
Search: Robert Crumb DVD. There are many to buy.
www.amazon.com/robert-crumb-dvd/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Arobert%20crumb%20dvd
Oh ja, der Smiling Disease, der Fixed Smile, is a Sign of Deep Depression.
Crumb is a screwed up man. It makes sense that he would see it that way. He is unhappy and projected his negative emotions on his father.
@@TheresaPowers ur dumb as fuck
@@TheresaPowers Yeeeah, because you knew his father better than he did.
Too bad Mad Magazine didn't use this guy. He'd fit right in.
Crumb used to read MAD during it's first years.
He was too wild even for MAD. Great magazine though.
@@LardGreystoke wayy too crazy! Hahaa
Crumb was mentored by and very good friends with Harvey Kurtzman, Mad's creator. Crumb worked on a couple of Kurtzman's books and magazines post-Mad.
Yea, seen the movie.
"If you want to know a mind of a serial rapist sexual predator , watch Crumb" -- Jordan Peterson
"I've been accused three times in my career of sexual impropriety" - Jordan Peterson
All you Peterson fans seems to love regurgitating this quote in every Crumb video, all the while being completely oblivious to the fact that he wasn't referring to Robert. It's in reference to his brother who talks about the impulses driving him to molest women.
He also rambles about social hierarchies n shit lol
I've never understood women who birth sons, only to raise daughters. You're doing them no favors, ladies.
It's like a Deep Thought.
oedipal mothers they are called. when the mother coddles the child over a long period of time, the boys do not grow up and become men. they grow up and and remain little boys. the father needed to do more to prevent that stuff at an earlier age
mowriter c
mowriter I agree wholeheartedly, fathers if you are reading this, raise your sons, wrestle them, toss them around, have them practice punches and kicks on bags you hold. All that time spent baking in the kitchen with mom is nice, but it does us hardly any favours when we’re grown and are still too timid and afraid to commit to scary man jobs like the trades.
What about the father?
whats the power of his glasses?
Infinite
I can’t find this documentary anywhere!!! Does anyone know where I can watch this!?
Buy it it’s on sale right now at Barnes and noble.
Or find a stream.
This isn't it but its pretty good and talks about his father. th-cam.com/video/cO5ctDOXeEM/w-d-xo.html
Just look it up on Google and you’ll find it eventually. That’s how I watched it
So, be coddled or bullied? Live a happy life making art like Crumb or live an unfulfilling life like Crumb's farther?
Crumb did not live a happy life.
siZeDcuBe Far from it.
@@billdavis7577 He's still alive and who are you to say?
He fought the Nazis aka The National Socialists, you piece of shit Socialist.
Jordan anybody
Oh yeH!
mr Robert crumb is alluringly honest, his drawings are succinct statement of the same. depraved hahaha
Shame that the whole crowd of Jordan Peterson loving pseudo-intellectuals have hijacked this great film for their own dipshit hypotheses.
Hmmm, interpreting a movie where someone has many sexual hang-ups regarding women, particularly imposing women, has an adversarial relationship with his father and a half-coddled/half-rebellious relationship with his mother as an Oedipal situation is a dipshit hypothesis?
He's practically the poster child for mommy issues, you moron 😂😂
I have bigbullballs
Robert Crumb, totally crazy Idiot, love it like shit ;K-)
GO, Robert !!! ;-)
Crumb should have joined the Marines. One of them would have changed.