The apaches I been close to were super quiet. Like I could ID the pilot and when he would swing behind the Belle of Louisville river paddle boat it was impossible to know it was there. No wake, no sound, no wind.
@@211212112 they definitely have a distinctive drone noise and you definitely need a headset to plug into the stub wings when they are doing engine runs or ground track and balance post maintenance.
I got Chinooks, Blackhawks, and Apaches flying over my house all the time. It shakes the house. My neighbor flew them in Desert Storm. Rarely see any apaches, but it’s mainly blackhawks and chinooks
Seemed there was a Lil too much flying a chopper like a fixed wing aircraft. You can swing the tail around fairly fast with the rudder petals, and tucking in behind a building hovering setting up an ambush.
The problem is the combat already started. At those ranges staying still means death. And you have to take into consideration that they have weight. It isn't like a ubisoft game where you can just magic a helicopter into the perfect position with no experience. So in the time it would take for them to get in a hover in a good ambush point the opposition would be on top of them. Making the tactic useless in this situation. I saw one of them try it in one of the other helicopter videos and that's exactly how that went.
@@hf117j that's because you need to get to their blindspot then hit cover and ambush. With an Apache you're better turning right with the right foot pedal while giving the main rotors more thrust, it's quicker that way
@@hf117j I have many yrs in military helo experience, and competed in aerobatic RC helo competitions. The Huey is not as agile as the Apache or Blackhawk. Flaring is used slow the helo to make quicker turns, like 180s, allowing you to go backwards, but simultaneously dropping the nose, maybe 45 degree angle, to do 180 degree turns. But those combat Apaches are used to hover behind cover or concealment to ambush or engage targets. They use buildings and treetops. But the also fly in big circles. For gaming, I recommend try some acrobatic flying to get use to rotary wing aircraft. Do inverted rolls, barrel rolls, and quick turns to change flight direction using Flaring. Fly around a skyscraper keeping the nose pointed at the building, then increase speed (flying sideways).
@@saltyfloridaman7163 Again. Ambushing by hovering is best used in LONG RANGE engagements. This close. Staying still means death. You rarely get in a blind spot. Though it does happen, it doesn't stay the case long enough to slip into a hover behind a building... that the other helicopter can just fly over or around and see you. Multiplayer isn't a movie. When you make mistakes the opposition will typically punish. And staying still with more lines of sight than you can keep a gun trained on is a mistake.
Thanks to DCS. This game (and the previous "Lock-On") made me recognizing all kind of aircraft engine sounds. When there's a helicopter flying over my house, I immediately recognize it's an AH-64 or a Eurocopter or Augusta Westland from the police. They all got typical sounds. Ah-64's are flying regularly over my house. Several times a week, and sometimes even below 250ft. That low that Radarbox can't recognize the flight, lol. And most people complain about the noise, but I love it!
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So, no one got the tactical advantage of the AH 64 by shouting “I AM THE GREATEST!” over and over. The lack of CCR playing while in a HUEY is unforgivable.
Surprisingly, even with the advantage of a turret gun, Apache could not always oppose himself well. After all, the Hinds has a fixed gun and it is much more difficult for him to hit accurately. If Apache had to fight the Mi-24V with a movable machine gun or the Mi-28 with a turret gun, things would go very badly for Apache in general, one would have to count only on a successful hit. As for the UH-1H, it seems to me that it has frivolous weapons for this, only two miniguns and it is stupid to use it even against unarmored helicopters. Miniguns can only disable the tail rotor, but they are not easy to hit.
I honestly like every helicopter in the video. I'mma just say pilot skills will win. I wonder what else is next. I would love to see the Mi-28 or the Z-10
Now that the apache is DCS, maybe look into the 2003 attack on kerbala? It was an operation involving 31 apaches that were eventually forced to retreat facing heavy groundfire.
Looking at Ukraine, I'd say the apache pilots did damned good to lose one bird in an ambush where combined arms failed to coordinate so spectacularly (by American standards)
That was 6/6 Cav - 11 Aviation Regiment out of Illesheim, Germany during Operation Induring Freedom. There's a movie/documentary made by the Apache Warrior Foundation from the point of view from the Soldiers (ground crew and pilots) that were there. It's called "Apache Warrior" and is on Amazon prime video. It's well worth the watch.
@@override367 afair there were only 2-3 documented losses of modern helos. I believe there were more, but not significantly cause of Ukrainian national traditional to post on TH-cam each success, and if there is no one, create them in DCS :) Also there is FHD video from pilot's action cam of Ka-52 covering Hips with airborne troops onboard, that attacks ground targets and manages to land safely after at being hit finally. Pilot claims they avoided 17 manpads launches, 18 found it's target. It is fascinating and frightening how similar to DCS:BS2 it looks like
really the most amazing part is the proficient flying 1 day after the release, props. one little note, Im not sure if the tinnitus sound for slow mo is a after effect but its really painful to some.
I already have tinnitus. It's minor, but there. Because guns. Still not giving up that right though. But yeah artificial tinnitus effects get muted by me. It's painful. That's why I get more aggressive towards anyone throwing flashbangs in vr. Because I want them annihilted so that effect stops.
@@grimreapers Yep except at take-off, for me anyway. My bird will shoot straight into the air and spin like a top and no amount of rudder will stop it. But once I point the nose down get some airspeed it straightens out and flies like a dream.
@@billpii6314 you have to be gentler with the collective, or the helicopter will freak out and the auto-throttle will be too slow to increase the RPMs.
Sadly you can't put the AH-64 against it's actual equal the Mi28. What I can tell you, when RAF Pilots were asked which battlefield attack chopper they wanted pre 2004, it was pretty unanimous they said the HAVOC. Despite British upgrades too targeting, avionics, the Longbow add-on and better performing/economical Rolls Royce Engines. Many British Pilots still have a real dread of facing the Mi28 and Ka-52.
After the last year watching Russian performances, I really don’t think the AH-64 would have any danger whatsoever, especially if they’re equipped with starstreak
An AP round has to directly hit something in order to damage it, and boy is there a lot of empty space in the Hind for the AP round to hit the helicopter but nothing important in it. That being said, imo the Hind is way too resilient in the game.
They are not armor piercing rounds. Those rounds were dropped in favor of HE rounds after the Cold War. Each HE round at that size is about as effective as one hand grenade.
7:10 Both detents will fire the weapon that is WAS’d. The primary difference is that the first detent won’t let the weapon fire outside of performance inhibits whereas the second inhibit will allow the weapon to fire outside of performance inhibits. For example: First detent will not allow the gun to fire beyond it’s maximum range, but squeeze to the second second detent and the gun will fire when the range is beyond it’s maximum limit.
Wondering if this implementation has the IAT (image auto-track) switch. Yes, you can slave the gun to the IHADDS, but they were on TADS, so should've been able to auto-lock. Then again...the IAT may only be in the CPG station..it's been a while.
I feel like this setup helped the apache. The fact that it doesn’t have any kind of tracking or CCIP hurts it a lot if the target is only half a mile away. Here the black shark would excel, but due to the absurdly short range the apache can sling it’s gun around and somehow win
Omg I fell off the GR train. I’ve been so busy I’ve barely had a chance to watch GR vids. I’ve made a vow to watch every single GR vid that comes out and I’m going to spend all weekend catching up lol
Ну конечно! Обвешать тяжёлую 24-ку всякой хернёй, посадить на неё ламера и спокойно расстреливать всё это добро с более лёгкого Апача без подвесов, управляемого более умелым пилотом. Просто шикарный расклад! Объективность зашкаливает.
На апач посадили чувака с модулированым под бабу голосом, типа чтобы казалось что даже бабы ми-24 уделать смогут если сядут в апач. Ещё неварное полный бак залили в 24ку, потому и не показывают и кабины, короче клоуны
I don't think you are fully utilizing the Apache to the same extent as you do other helicopters. I mean this is quite new compared to the others and you have had a lot more practice with the others. I think when you have people that have a lot of experience with the Apache that really know its ins and outs then it is going to be really hard to beat.
the traversing 30mm cannon is not as great in a dog fight as most people think, and it's relatively slow muzzle velocity and rate of fire makes it not nearly as useful as people think in a dog fight. honestly the Hind just needs to get it's nose around onto the apache, and it's game over. Can hit it at further range, and at similar weights the Hind is actually more powerful
@@crazygmanssimstuff but in a real life situation the Apache 100% has advantage due to greater visibility, the ability to carry 2 AIM-9s, and it’s advanced radar
It's the pilot that's useless in a dogfight if they don't see the advantage of it. Factors you need to account for. If the gun can get an angle. Time it takes for gun to track. And timing the shot. Chasing may not benefit you with that gun. But if you're going side by side oncoming traffic style just orient your gun before the merge so you can just fire a split second before they cross. Anyone who find the capability to be a disadvantage is a massive idiot with no understanding of the equipment
@@crazygmanssimstuff you do realize that the apache autocannon fires m789 ammunition right? It's dual purpose high explosive armor piercing 30mm. That's going to destroy any helicopter with 1-2 hits. The hind was only built to withstand .50 cal and can only withstand slightly larger calibers from over 800m away. The Hind's hit box is inaccurate and overall durability is much higher than real life. Further on this, the Apache was built to withstand 23mm cannons, it's armored for that on its entire fuselage, engine, nose, many parts across it's body, it's main and tail rotors were designed to flex and absorb the shock from incoming 23mm fire due to its unique composite rotor material. The hind would be at a very large disadvantage, it's fatter, slower, less armored, and less armed
@@saltyfloridaman7163 Hit box and damage model aside which we aren't privy to. The Apache is not armored in any practical way. It has no metal armor plateting, only kevlar armor in certain places to protect the pilots. The brochure saying it's "resistant" to 23mm is being extremely generous. Just like saying the cockpit is bullet resistant. It has redundant system, but the Hind actually has more in the ways of redundancy. Apache pilots on the fighter pilot podcast said themselves that it is not really armored, and that they use the sensors to stay safe. The gun on the Apache is vastly weaker then the 30mm on the Hind just google the round size and look at the rate of fire and muzzle velocity. Don't get me wrong it's still a 30mm and the Hind should only be able to take a few hits to non-vulnerable areas. The D model Apache is also the pig of the family when it comes to power and maunverability. Read accounts of the Apaches in Afgahistan and they had to shed weight and do rolling take offs as well in high and hot environments. The power difference between the 2 is not dramatic, and depending how they are loading out with fuel and weapons that can be brought even closer.
Kortana is a beast. Tail rotor gone? Ah... I'll just set this thing down. Half expect her to duct tape a desk fan on the tail and go back at it lol. Kinda surprised did didnt take a few pop shots will spinning slowly
Fun video! Next challenge will be not over-torquing your aircraft. They can take transitory spikes but there were several times where I saw 130% for extended periods. You may win but your crew chiefs, CO, and Maintenance Test Pilots (MTPs) would not be fans! lol!
@@billpii6314 IMO the Reapers are always doing a fantastic job with their content and trying to do it right. If you want to do it "right" you pay attention to the details. If you prefer "arcade mode" then go for it. The comment was meant to be cheeky anyway so there's that.....
Not a big fan of the Soviet Union, but damn they did a helluva job designing the Hind. Obviously it was designed when they still had engineers and designers that knew what they were doing.... LOL
I love these light hearted episodes. I chuckle all the way through. I did wonder at the start that the Hind would just shrug off gun hits. Thankfully Damp wasn't invincible lol.
Irl the 30mm autocannon would have downed it in the first couple shots. Hinds have no protection against that kind of caliber, they're only rated to be very resistant resistant to .50 cal
Tommy Lee Jones: "Rules of engagement. ONE! Whoever sees the other first is the winner. TWO! Whoever gets seen first... is... toast! Name of the game here gentlemen is surprise. The land mass, behind which you can hide, is your friend. The open sky in which you cannot hide, is your enemy. If you remember anything at all, remember this. Once a helicopter battle has been engaged somebody is gonna die. You boys do not have the speed to run from a fight. When you engage, you must bring the nose of your aircraft to bear on the bogey. Unmasking, pop-ups, pedal turns, hovers, and side ward flight can all be combined to affect your nose on position. Put your weapon's system on the target. The optimal attack position is?" Nicolas Cage: "Above and behind on the six 'o clock." "Good. The optimal kill shot is?" Brian Kestler: "Down through the rotor blades." "Good....Some of you boys were paying attention. I thought you were just daydreaming about drinkin' and chasing women. Go on get outta here, dismissed!" -Firebirds (1990)
This fight reminds me of the Sega arcade game Wing War, which in addition to having planes like the P-51, Fokker DR.1, Harrier, Yak-141, they also have the AH-64 and Ka-50. I wish the Gazelle was in this fight. would be interesting to see how the lighter and more agile Gazelle (L) fare against the AH-64 in a knife fight.
OK 3rd watch :) I keep remembering that the 64's Chain Gun is an Area Effect Weapon, basically shooting small hand-grenades in an area, not a point target/bullseye type weapon. SO fun! (damn it won't save the "Area" change)
5:50 - Grim, are you dying? If so, have you appointed a replacement? Could you present him or her, so we could begin cheering for the new ones in your stead...? 😃
Is it possible to have a player play the pilot and the gunner in the Apache or the hind? I think both helicopters would be much more dangerous with two teammates working together, one concentrating on flying/avoiding obstacles/using cover and the other concentrating in aiming and shooting.
Do they have Cobras in the sim? I had a friend who was a waist gunner in Viet Nam and would tell me that during ground runs when they would show up in the Heuy everyone would turn around and start shooting at them. If a Cobra was with them they turned and ran.
The Apache Hind fight is like a fight between a man with both arm in full casts and a man with only 1 arm but with full mobility. The 1 arm man should win every fight. The hind has to run at you with his arms out and hope they hit your face.
lol dont even bring up the ka 50 got shot in Ukraine multiple times you know what its max service ceiling is only 4000 ft compared to Apaches 18000 ft and HAL LCH 21000 ft
@@ewoderbest6551 a toy when compared to Apache I know Apaches got same service ceiling but in terms of weaponry , pay load , radar and electronics , advance systems ka 50 is another russian trash can with wings cant even properly coordinate with ground troops and share accurate data
Sooo happy to see you did what I asked Cap,....Love ya Sock, but take THAT!! Apaches are ridiculously powerful, can't wait for ED to get the longbow part of it working. >:) On a side note, I know we'll probably never see it, but would be awesome if they'd bring in one of the SOC Nightstalkers' Blackhawks. Imagine a slightly (ok, a lot) less nimble apache with double the armament. Fun 300 degree engagement range.
Yeah they did the ka50 dirty in this video, down to the pilot. ka50 is the faster heli and has a higher velocity 30mm. But at this range slewing that gun would be tricky
@@nuckerball1259 the KA-50 can lock on with contrast lock. A combo of HMD and slewing would do the trick. The KA-50 also has auto range adjustment, and I am pretty sure it also does auto-lead adjustment
The Ka50/52 series was originally designed with an air-to-air 'anti-helicopter' role in mind. The Kamov dual rotor arrangement, relatively light weight and powerful engines were geared up for that role. The heavier Mi28 was always supposed to be the AH64 analogue The earlier Mi 24 'Hind' was essentially a type of chopper the West doesn't really have....a heavily armed squad transport chopper....carrying either 8 armed troops OR a full reload of weapons held internally.
I think the direct hit on the cockpit that didn't leave a scratch on the Hind is evidence of Soviet Plot Armour :/ And then the same thing happened on the Apache - time for some damage modelling!
That was pretty great. I would think with the apache's ability to use sidewinders and stingers it would mess up the hind. The Viper/cobra would be great to see in DCS sometime too.
The Apache can use several different air to air missiles. But the Hellfire AGM is also very effective against helicopters and slower fixed wing aircraft.
Nice video but I would say was an unfair fight...... it's very obvious that Apache has the advantage.....I think we have to wait for Mi-28 or Mi-35 to be able to make a good comparision.
Yup...the Mi 28 is the correct analogue to the AH64....the older Mi 24 'Hind' is more of a heavier weight squad transporter....not a fair comparison in a way. The lighter Kamov Ka 50/52 series SHOULD have done well in the air-to-air and anti-helicopter role, given that's what it was designed for.....
@Damp Sok well i am glad to hear that nothing is wrong with you health wise Damp :) . I thought you maybe were sick or something, because you are really very talented guy :)) its so unusual for me to accept what i saw haha :D
"We don't often see Damp struggling." How often do DampSokington and Kortana duel?
I think only the helicopter dogfights: th-cam.com/play/PL3kOAM2N1YJceZhV0a9ch5GLUde7iUTDo.html
@@grimreapers right? Those two dueling is like watching King Kong and Godzilla go at it. Both extremely skilled combatants and smart tacticians.
@@grimreapers iï
Fort Rucker?
Even the sound of the AH sounds realistic and A: I used to maintain them and B: They fly over my house regularly
I agree, that whistle always gives them away lol
To include the blade chop during turns... incredible sound work.
The apaches I been close to were super quiet. Like I could ID the pilot and when he would swing behind the Belle of Louisville river paddle boat it was impossible to know it was there. No wake, no sound, no wind.
@@211212112 they definitely have a distinctive drone noise and you definitely need a headset to plug into the stub wings when they are doing engine runs or ground track and balance post maintenance.
I got Chinooks, Blackhawks, and Apaches flying over my house all the time. It shakes the house. My neighbor flew them in Desert Storm. Rarely see any apaches, but it’s mainly blackhawks and chinooks
Seemed there was a Lil too much flying a chopper like a fixed wing aircraft.
You can swing the tail around fairly fast with the rudder petals, and tucking in behind a building hovering setting up an ambush.
Thatøs what I was thiking too.
The problem is the combat already started. At those ranges staying still means death. And you have to take into consideration that they have weight. It isn't like a ubisoft game where you can just magic a helicopter into the perfect position with no experience. So in the time it would take for them to get in a hover in a good ambush point the opposition would be on top of them. Making the tactic useless in this situation. I saw one of them try it in one of the other helicopter videos and that's exactly how that went.
@@hf117j that's because you need to get to their blindspot then hit cover and ambush. With an Apache you're better turning right with the right foot pedal while giving the main rotors more thrust, it's quicker that way
@@hf117j I have many yrs in military helo experience, and competed in aerobatic RC helo competitions.
The Huey is not as agile as the Apache or Blackhawk. Flaring is used slow the helo to make quicker turns, like 180s, allowing you to go backwards, but simultaneously dropping the nose, maybe 45 degree angle, to do 180 degree turns.
But those combat Apaches are used to hover behind cover or concealment to ambush or engage targets. They use buildings and treetops. But the also fly in big circles.
For gaming, I recommend try some acrobatic flying to get use to rotary wing aircraft. Do inverted rolls, barrel rolls, and quick turns to change flight direction using Flaring. Fly around a skyscraper keeping the nose pointed at the building, then increase speed (flying sideways).
@@saltyfloridaman7163 Again. Ambushing by hovering is best used in LONG RANGE engagements. This close. Staying still means death. You rarely get in a blind spot. Though it does happen, it doesn't stay the case long enough to slip into a hover behind a building... that the other helicopter can just fly over or around and see you. Multiplayer isn't a movie. When you make mistakes the opposition will typically punish. And staying still with more lines of sight than you can keep a gun trained on is a mistake.
Cortana was flying the hell out of that Huey on the last fight. Well done!
Thanks to DCS. This game (and the previous "Lock-On") made me recognizing all kind of aircraft engine sounds. When there's a helicopter flying over my house, I immediately recognize it's an AH-64 or a Eurocopter or Augusta Westland from the police. They all got typical sounds.
Ah-64's are flying regularly over my house. Several times a week, and sometimes even below 250ft. That low that Radarbox can't recognize the flight, lol. And most people complain about the noise, but I love it!
“I’m here purely to reduce framerates.” Goddamn, I haven’t laughed out loud like that in a few days.
I agree!!! I also laughed out loud. 😂
It is always a treat to see Cortana fly. She is probably the best pilot on the channel, though Simba always gets an A for effort.
Why no actual Blue Thunder (SA342 Gazelle)?
valid point.
Physics: “A helicopter requires a horizontal stabilizer”
Kortana: “Hold my beer…”
I'll actually keep my beer if that's alright with you 😅🍺
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😁. It was actually quasi-controllable once I figured out to use the wobble to my advantage 😅
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@@Anarchy_420 😅
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So, no one got the tactical advantage of the AH 64 by shouting “I AM THE GREATEST!” over and over.
The lack of CCR playing while in a HUEY is unforgivable.
Haha. I remember that from the movie firebirds
Surprisingly, even with the advantage of a turret gun, Apache could not always oppose himself well. After all, the Hinds has a fixed gun and it is much more difficult for him to hit accurately. If Apache had to fight the Mi-24V with a movable machine gun or the Mi-28 with a turret gun, things would go very badly for Apache in general, one would have to count only on a successful hit. As for the UH-1H, it seems to me that it has frivolous weapons for this, only two miniguns and it is stupid to use it even against unarmored helicopters. Miniguns can only disable the tail rotor, but they are not easy to hit.
You're acting like the same doesn't apply for the hind either. it just means that both helicopters are equally matched and down to skill level.
@@potatopilot16my thoughts exactly sounds like they wrote it with bias
I honestly like every helicopter in the video. I'mma just say pilot skills will win. I wonder what else is next. I would love to see the Mi-28 or the Z-10
Kinda figured as much. Sometimes there's nothing you can do, but it usually comes to numbers and luck.
@@hf117j And the amount of unclassified documentation they can get so they can actually build it.
Now that the apache is DCS, maybe look into the 2003 attack on kerbala? It was an operation involving 31 apaches that were eventually forced to retreat facing heavy groundfire.
Looking at Ukraine, I'd say the apache pilots did damned good to lose one bird in an ambush where combined arms failed to coordinate so spectacularly (by American standards)
That was 6/6 Cav - 11 Aviation Regiment out of Illesheim, Germany during Operation Induring Freedom. There's a movie/documentary made by the Apache Warrior Foundation from the point of view from the Soldiers (ground crew and pilots) that were there. It's called "Apache Warrior" and is on Amazon prime video. It's well worth the watch.
@@override367 afair there were only 2-3 documented losses of modern helos. I believe there were more, but not significantly cause of Ukrainian national traditional to post on TH-cam each success, and if there is no one, create them in DCS :)
Also there is FHD video from pilot's action cam of Ka-52 covering Hips with airborne troops onboard, that attacks ground targets and manages to land safely after at being hit finally. Pilot claims they avoided 17 manpads launches, 18 found it's target.
It is fascinating and frightening how similar to DCS:BS2 it looks like
@@override367 found it: th-cam.com/video/c78O7zWwkrA/w-d-xo.html
I remember this, cool idea.
really the most amazing part is the proficient flying 1 day after the release, props.
one little note, Im not sure if the tinnitus sound for slow mo is a after effect but its really painful to some.
I already have tinnitus. It's minor, but there. Because guns. Still not giving up that right though. But yeah artificial tinnitus effects get muted by me. It's painful. That's why I get more aggressive towards anyone throwing flashbangs in vr. Because I want them annihilted so that effect stops.
@@hf117j Could it possibly be the rotor sounds when in slow-mo? still would be nice to not have to listen to it :/
Apache is REALLY easy to fly.
@@grimreapers Yep except at take-off, for me anyway. My bird will shoot straight into the air and spin like a top and no amount of rudder will stop it. But once I point the nose down get some airspeed it straightens out and flies like a dream.
@@billpii6314 you have to be gentler with the collective, or the helicopter will freak out and the auto-throttle will be too slow to increase the RPMs.
Kortana is an outstanding pilot.
Does she fly irl?
Not that I know of. Yeh she's pretty sierra hotel.
That was cool... *Goes to watch Blue Thunder again for the first time in years*
Sadly you can't put the AH-64 against it's actual equal the Mi28. What I can tell you, when RAF Pilots were asked which battlefield attack chopper they wanted pre 2004, it was pretty unanimous they said the HAVOC. Despite British upgrades too targeting, avionics, the Longbow add-on and better performing/economical Rolls Royce Engines. Many British Pilots still have a real dread of facing the Mi28 and Ka-52.
After the last year watching Russian performances, I really don’t think the AH-64 would have any danger whatsoever, especially if they’re equipped with starstreak
wow kortana is a legit pilot, this was fun to watch
This is the video we all been waiting for yaaa! haha :D
I'm curious to how the 30mm autocannon didn't down the hind in the first few shots. Those are anti armor and can easily punch through a hind
I was thinking the same thing, Cortana had several hit dead center on the Hind during the 1st match, and nothing happened to it......
An AP round has to directly hit something in order to damage it, and boy is there a lot of empty space in the Hind for the AP round to hit the helicopter but nothing important in it.
That being said, imo the Hind is way too resilient in the game.
@@wurfyy most of those hits I saw were vital powertrain spots that would disable it.
@@wurfyy Yeah you are right about that, a lot of that space is open for troops/cargo. etc..
And everywhere on the Apache is critical .
They are not armor piercing rounds. Those rounds were dropped in favor of HE rounds after the Cold War. Each HE round at that size is about as effective as one hand grenade.
This is why I love this channel, answering questions we've all had
was waiting for a video like this
I’m such huge fan of Cortana.
Hey Cap hope you feel better soon. Great video guys and gals really fun!
7:10 Both detents will fire the weapon that is WAS’d. The primary difference is that the first detent won’t let the weapon fire outside of performance inhibits whereas the second inhibit will allow the weapon to fire outside of performance inhibits. For example: First detent will not allow the gun to fire beyond it’s maximum range, but squeeze to the second second detent and the gun will fire when the range is beyond it’s maximum limit.
Wondering if this implementation has the IAT (image auto-track) switch. Yes, you can slave the gun to the IHADDS, but they were on TADS, so should've been able to auto-lock. Then again...the IAT may only be in the CPG station..it's been a while.
Seriously the funnest show on TH-cam!
I feel like this setup helped the apache. The fact that it doesn’t have any kind of tracking or CCIP hurts it a lot if the target is only half a mile away. Here the black shark would excel, but due to the absurdly short range the apache can sling it’s gun around and somehow win
Landing half a Apache was impressive. Nice job Kortana.
Wish you guys would've tried a KA-52 vs apache
With added Kortana. Have you done a video with any of the helicopters for Sams?
I forgot to put "added Kortana!"
Omg I fell off the GR train. I’ve been so busy I’ve barely had a chance to watch GR vids. I’ve made a vow to watch every single GR vid that comes out and I’m going to spend all weekend catching up lol
Welcome back mr Fischer.
Brilliant!!👍👍
"so Blue Thunder"! 👍 we just needed the turbo somersault lol
Ну конечно! Обвешать тяжёлую 24-ку всякой хернёй, посадить на неё ламера и спокойно расстреливать всё это добро с более лёгкого Апача без подвесов, управляемого более умелым пилотом. Просто шикарный расклад! Объективность зашкаливает.
На апач посадили чувака с модулированым под бабу голосом, типа чтобы казалось что даже бабы ми-24 уделать смогут если сядут в апач. Ещё неварное полный бак залили в 24ку, потому и не показывают и кабины, короче клоуны
Друг просто тот баба только на вертушке летает а пацаны не особо ми 24
What’s that thing in the middle of the screen when first person?
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CORTANA!.. *The Hind Killer!!* and apparently the Apache & Huey Killer as well 😃
KA-50 Loses half its airframe.
KA-50 is now _KA-50 SuperLegerra_
Now the Jane's longbow series can finally rest easy
I loved playing that - and it did allow pilot/gunner, also. But damn did it suck over phone modems!!!
So I got to ask why were the comments turned off on the last video and why are you not doing tutorials anymore?
I don't think you are fully utilizing the Apache to the same extent as you do other helicopters. I mean this is quite new compared to the others and you have had a lot more practice with the others. I think when you have people that have a lot of experience with the Apache that really know its ins and outs then it is going to be really hard to beat.
the traversing 30mm cannon is not as great in a dog fight as most people think, and it's relatively slow muzzle velocity and rate of fire makes it not nearly as useful as people think in a dog fight. honestly the Hind just needs to get it's nose around onto the apache, and it's game over. Can hit it at further range, and at similar weights the Hind is actually more powerful
@@crazygmanssimstuff but in a real life situation the Apache 100% has advantage due to greater visibility, the ability to carry 2 AIM-9s, and it’s advanced radar
It's the pilot that's useless in a dogfight if they don't see the advantage of it. Factors you need to account for. If the gun can get an angle. Time it takes for gun to track. And timing the shot. Chasing may not benefit you with that gun. But if you're going side by side oncoming traffic style just orient your gun before the merge so you can just fire a split second before they cross. Anyone who find the capability to be a disadvantage is a massive idiot with no understanding of the equipment
@@crazygmanssimstuff you do realize that the apache autocannon fires m789 ammunition right? It's dual purpose high explosive armor piercing 30mm. That's going to destroy any helicopter with 1-2 hits. The hind was only built to withstand .50 cal and can only withstand slightly larger calibers from over 800m away. The Hind's hit box is inaccurate and overall durability is much higher than real life.
Further on this, the Apache was built to withstand 23mm cannons, it's armored for that on its entire fuselage, engine, nose, many parts across it's body, it's main and tail rotors were designed to flex and absorb the shock from incoming 23mm fire due to its unique composite rotor material. The hind would be at a very large disadvantage, it's fatter, slower, less armored, and less armed
@@saltyfloridaman7163 Hit box and damage model aside which we aren't privy to. The Apache is not armored in any practical way. It has no metal armor plateting, only kevlar armor in certain places to protect the pilots. The brochure saying it's "resistant" to 23mm is being extremely generous. Just like saying the cockpit is bullet resistant. It has redundant system, but the Hind actually has more in the ways of redundancy. Apache pilots on the fighter pilot podcast said themselves that it is not really armored, and that they use the sensors to stay safe. The gun on the Apache is vastly weaker then the 30mm on the Hind just google the round size and look at the rate of fire and muzzle velocity. Don't get me wrong it's still a 30mm and the Hind should only be able to take a few hits to non-vulnerable areas. The D model Apache is also the pig of the family when it comes to power and maunverability. Read accounts of the Apaches in Afgahistan and they had to shed weight and do rolling take offs as well in high and hot environments. The power difference between the 2 is not dramatic, and depending how they are loading out with fuel and weapons that can be brought even closer.
Hopefully they add more modern attack helicopter like the ah-1z,ka-52,rah-66 maybe? And uh-1y venom just to make Grim Reapers here happy
Why do you already have access to this Module? I tried downloading 3 days in a row but it wont let me (im on steam Version of the sim game)
It was released on thursday.
The module is currently ONLY available in the "open beta" and not in the "stable" version. Don't know if you can switch to "open beta" on the Steam.
31:54 Yes!!😂🤣🤘
This was so much fun to watch!
Hey Cap, which head tracking system are you using? I can see that being such a factor in how well you can utilise the 64s functions. Thanks
Moving to Track IR
Kortana is a beast. Tail rotor gone? Ah... I'll just set this thing down. Half expect her to duct tape a desk fan on the tail and go back at it lol. Kinda surprised did didnt take a few pop shots will spinning slowly
Lol, I actually tried taking a few shots, but I couldn't tell where they were going 😅
@Kortana yeah, I guess from inside things spin a lot faster 😆
When do you think the longbow will be added?
Fun video! Next challenge will be not over-torquing your aircraft. They can take transitory spikes but there were several times where I saw 130% for extended periods. You may win but your crew chiefs, CO, and Maintenance Test Pilots (MTPs) would not be fans! lol!
lol yup
Who cares they weren't the ones facing death.
@@billpii6314 IMO the Reapers are always doing a fantastic job with their content and trying to do it right. If you want to do it "right" you pay attention to the details. If you prefer "arcade mode" then go for it. The comment was meant to be cheeky anyway so there's that.....
waiting for some Firebirds recreations.
Definitely reminds me of the air combat scene in Blue Thunder!
So I just flew the Apache. Any idea where I find the gauges? All I appear to have is a pair of iPads in front of me.
Not a big fan of the Soviet Union, but damn they did a helluva job designing the Hind. Obviously it was designed when they still had engineers and designers that knew what they were doing.... LOL
They still have good engineers....they just have very little cash. China is the new 'threat' now.....
I love these light hearted episodes. I chuckle all the way through.
I did wonder at the start that the Hind would just shrug off gun hits. Thankfully Damp wasn't invincible lol.
Irl the 30mm autocannon would have downed it in the first couple shots. Hinds have no protection against that kind of caliber, they're only rated to be very resistant resistant to .50 cal
You know, it's kind of a shame they didn't implement one of the turreted-gun versions of the Mi-24.
But on the other hand having a helicopter with a gun this scary is cool
Tommy Lee Jones: "Rules of engagement. ONE! Whoever sees the other first is the winner. TWO! Whoever gets seen first... is... toast! Name of the game here gentlemen is surprise. The land mass, behind which you can hide, is your friend. The open sky in which you cannot hide, is your enemy. If you remember anything at all, remember this. Once a helicopter battle has been engaged somebody is gonna die. You boys do not have the speed to run from a fight. When you engage, you must bring the nose of your aircraft to bear on the bogey. Unmasking, pop-ups, pedal turns, hovers, and side ward flight can all be combined to affect your nose on position. Put your weapon's system on the target. The optimal attack position is?"
Nicolas Cage: "Above and behind on the six 'o clock."
"Good. The optimal kill shot is?"
Brian Kestler: "Down through the rotor blades."
"Good....Some of you boys were paying attention. I thought you were just daydreaming about drinkin' and chasing women. Go on get outta here, dismissed!"
-Firebirds (1990)
Very cool. Thx
"I am here purely to reduce frame rates" GOLD :)
This fight reminds me of the Sega arcade game Wing War, which in addition to having planes like the P-51, Fokker DR.1, Harrier, Yak-141, they also have the AH-64 and Ka-50.
I wish the Gazelle was in this fight. would be interesting to see how the lighter and more agile Gazelle (L) fare against the AH-64 in a knife fight.
19:58... ooof
These are just so much fun! Rematch in Sept!?
Is the Apache good for ground attack?
yup
Can you do a video about the changes to the mirage?
Hi everyone how do you go from pilot to gunner on AH 64 APACHE which key to use? THANK YOU
2 for CP/G, 1 for Pilot
OK 3rd watch :) I keep remembering that the 64's Chain Gun is an Area Effect Weapon, basically shooting small hand-grenades in an area, not a point target/bullseye type weapon. SO fun! (damn it won't save the "Area" change)
Area Effect!
That lady was probably the best helicopter pilot in the entire video. Smooth as ice
5:50 - Grim, are you dying? If so, have you appointed a replacement? Could you present him or her, so we could begin cheering for the new ones in your stead...? 😃
Needs more Nicholas Cage screaming 'I Am The Greatest!'
agree
Bringing up the Blue Thunder
always, good old Roy.
More Apache videos pls
30:50 wowwwwwwwwwww
What a fight 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😍😍😍😍😍
Great fun to watch.
Is it possible to have a player play the pilot and the gunner in the Apache or the hind? I think both helicopters would be much more dangerous with two teammates working together, one concentrating on flying/avoiding obstacles/using cover and the other concentrating in aiming and shooting.
Yes but we haven't learned it yet.
Do they have Cobras in the sim? I had a friend who was a waist gunner in Viet Nam and would tell me that during ground runs when they would show up in the Heuy everyone would turn around and start shooting at them. If a Cobra was with them they turned and ran.
Class 😁
Do they have the Hind D variant? that has the turret in the nose
The Apache Hind fight is like a fight between a man with both arm in full casts and a man with only 1 arm but with full mobility. The 1 arm man should win every fight. The hind has to run at you with his arms out and hope they hit your face.
Perfect analogy !
Just picturing that makes me ROFLMAO
This analogy has me rofl 🤣 🤣 🤣
You keep talking about Blue Thunder. Do you not like Airwolf?
Yeh Airwolf was cool, but Blue Thunder best chopper for sure.
@@grimreapers Now THAT would be a fight.
Growling Sidewinder is currently shouting at his screen "Who goes one circle against the Apache? The Hind is a two-circle fighter!"
How about this all of GR vs Cap, I wonder how you would last maybe you should try it someday.
That sounds like a bloody nightmare.
The ka 50 should have the ability to lock onto a target and the gun will automatically target and account for ballistics , irl that is
lol dont even bring up the ka 50 got shot in Ukraine multiple times you know what its max service ceiling is only 4000 ft compared to Apaches 18000 ft and HAL LCH 21000 ft
Thats pure bullshit.
Apache with the radar has the ability to do the same thing
@@soumyajitsingha9614 No, the service ceiling of the KA-50 is 5.486 m / 18.000 ft.
@@ewoderbest6551 a toy when compared to Apache I know Apaches got same service ceiling but in terms of weaponry , pay load , radar and electronics , advance systems ka 50 is another russian trash can with wings cant even properly coordinate with ground troops and share accurate data
This is going to be good
You guys need to do the "Firebirds" fight were they only kill each other with Zuni rockets. 😆
rgr
Damp why didn't you get in the Apache cockpit for any of these matches?
Sooo happy to see you did what I asked Cap,....Love ya Sock, but take THAT!! Apaches are ridiculously powerful, can't wait for ED to get the longbow part of it working. >:) On a side note, I know we'll probably never see it, but would be awesome if they'd bring in one of the SOC Nightstalkers' Blackhawks. Imagine a slightly (ok, a lot) less nimble apache with double the armament. Fun 300 degree engagement range.
You should do apache vs Apache rocket pods only
Apache in the D-Day test would be interesting.
oooOOO
Dang, would love to see a lot more helicopters, maybe even the Tiger, that could be a good game
I am surprised by the poor performance of the KA-50. It should be able to win with its A-A mode and amazing power.
Yeah they did the ka50 dirty in this video, down to the pilot. ka50 is the faster heli and has a higher velocity 30mm. But at this range slewing that gun would be tricky
@@nuckerball1259 the KA-50 can lock on with contrast lock. A combo of HMD and slewing would do the trick. The KA-50 also has auto range adjustment, and I am pretty sure it also does auto-lead adjustment
@@sheeplord4976 Yeah it does
They don't know what they're doing. ALL pilot skill/luck at this point.
The Ka50/52 series was originally designed with an air-to-air 'anti-helicopter' role in mind. The Kamov dual rotor arrangement, relatively light weight and powerful engines were geared up for that role.
The heavier Mi28 was always supposed to be the AH64 analogue
The earlier Mi 24 'Hind' was essentially a type of chopper the West doesn't really have....a heavily armed squad transport chopper....carrying either 8 armed troops OR a full reload of weapons held internally.
I think the direct hit on the cockpit that didn't leave a scratch on the Hind is evidence of Soviet Plot Armour :/ And then the same thing happened on the Apache - time for some damage modelling!
That was pretty great. I would think with the apache's ability to use sidewinders and stingers it would mess up the hind. The Viper/cobra would be great to see in DCS sometime too.
The Apache can use several different air to air missiles. But the Hellfire AGM is also very effective against helicopters and slower fixed wing aircraft.
Ka-50/52 Igla would have the same effect on the Apache. Also the gun on both Hind and Ka-50/52 are way better.
Love the Hind. Always wondered what would win in a dog fight
Yet? So the Apache is going to get A2A??
Kortanas voice is so clear and precise, like crystal 💎💎💎
I want to see the mi-28
Nice video but I would say was an unfair fight...... it's very obvious that Apache has the advantage.....I think we have to wait for Mi-28 or Mi-35 to be able to make a good comparision.
Apache took so many hits from huey, I really wonder if it's bugged. Or if huey doesn't deal enough damages.
Mi-28 would be a fairer comparison...
Yup...the Mi 28 is the correct analogue to the AH64....the older Mi 24 'Hind' is more of a heavier weight squad transporter....not a fair comparison in a way.
The lighter Kamov Ka 50/52 series SHOULD have done well in the air-to-air and anti-helicopter role, given that's what it was designed for.....
How come damp crash and not be the aggressor? Is something wrong? Its so unusual to see him lose with the hind Cap...
I hadn't warmed up yet. It was my first time in the Hind cockpit in over a week. I needed to spend more time before the mission preparing I suppose.
@Damp Sok well i am glad to hear that nothing is wrong with you health wise Damp :) . I thought you maybe were sick or something, because you are really very talented guy :)) its so unusual for me to accept what i saw haha :D
@@lutfullahkarahanli I apologize for my poor performance. I will do my best not to repeat it un the future.
It was my fault, I was sick so couldn't give the guys time to warm up etc.
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