AH-64 Apache Vs Su-57 DOGFIGHT | Helo Vs 5th Gen Fighter | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Big Thank you to TreeWasNice for suggesting this video and waiting so patiently for us to finally get it out of the pipeline, thank you to Toxic for flying the Felon in this video, and finally Thank you guys for watching and if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.
Day 136 of asking for A-10 vs F-14
TYSM FOR MAKING HIS WISH COME TRUE!
do a ww1 escort bomber
Can we have a once in a while freaky fight like this something wild
F35 vs AV8B ;)
HE FINALLY DID IT!
I thought he was going to let you get to day 200......
Ikr
He did it!!! GS is a true man of the people
Worthy of a patreon donation, non?
HE FINALLY DID IT
Do not set Auto-ranging on the gun. Set a fixed distance of 1200m. Activate the PNVS FLIR so you can see through the cockpit bottom and are able to aim below you... and either use rockets instead of Hellfire or if you use Hellfire, try to have George lase and "lock" the plane.
Still a crazy fight, but you should take every advantage your systems provide.😂
day 1 of asking GS to revisit this fight
Can't the E models carry stingers?
Can't use the PNVS as a sight. Can use the TADS though
And BRING STINGERS with!!
@@ah64longbowyes you can
The fact that an SU-57 can “theoretically” fight at that low a speed.
it has big surface area to maneuver
Theoretically yeah.
It’s the size of a city block!
Anything can do it, if provided by enough power to weight and wing area I guess xD
@@Shacon24 "enough power to weight and wing area", They are the parameters of the plane. There is a reason why different planes are different.
YOOOOOOOOOOO
Edit: This is going to be weird not commenting each day.
PS: Thank you GS
YOU DID IT!!
lets gooooo
Congrats Tree! I knew this day would come (but id figure you'd have to wait 365 days). Christmas came early and Jack Skellington would be proud.
@@magnanimus9692Thank you, good sir, I was genuinely not expecting this, I thought it would take so much longer but GS delivered insanely well killing the Sukhoi two dang times 😂. Also thank you GS
It finally happened
Absolutely cannot believe that it’s finally happening. Someone find that man who’s been asking for this and give him either a high five, a hug or a lottery ticket
Yup!
I'll take a high-five
@@treeWasNicecongrats!
@@treeWasNiceman congrats lmao
@@treeWasNice Thank you! ❤
Imagine coming home from a mission in an Apache and then your crew watches your and your co-pilot notch on a Su-57 😂That some BigFoot, Nessy shit right there
That's gonna be an interesting thanksgiving story
Or a Su-57 Kill Mark on a Apache.
@@justinlines431that's... What he just said
@@justinlines431that’s literally what OP said…. Read dude
A story that Russia would nuke the world over so best not to see it actually happen
Holy crap, the Apache put up a MUCH better fight than I expected. Impressive.
Well, it oughta have insane nose authority...
It’s actually harder than it looks for a jet to dogfight a helicopter because of the speed difference. Jets aren’t built to fly at such slow speeds. However, if the jet goes too fast, there are issues such as the helicopter sitting within the turn radius (demonstrated in both one circle and two circle settings in this video) as well as a very high closure speed.
I bet you support Hamas and the Jews.
They made a training scenario of helicopters against jets in the 80s or 90s. Helicopters won.
As Tarkalak said, heli's actually have huge advantages against jets. ESPECIALLY if they're outfitted with AA missiles.
They are very "stealthy" on a jets radar, as those radars are optimized for other jets and fast flying things in the air. A chopper can stand still, and work REALLY well close to the ground. It's very hard to track a chopper that doesn't want to be tracked for a jet. And there's no out turning a chopper in a dogfight.
The major weakness for choppers however, the jet decides the engagement. If the jet wants to go home, there's nothing the chopper can do, the jet can easily evade the chopper, if the jet knows where to evade (can just climb to 40.000 feet and yeet out of there). And the chopper can't just get away from the jet if it wanted to.
GS, this was one of the most fun fights I've seen in a while, thank you TreeWasNice for your determination in getting GS to bless us with this masterpiece. The intrusive thoughts won!
glad you enjoyed, I'll be honest, it was more fun than I thought it would be also.
I love it when intrusive thoughts win. 😁
No problem asking for this goofy video idea and thank you for complimenting my determination!
@@treeWasNice🫶🏻
Okay, now do it with Longshot as gunner
Yes!
😂
Omg yes!!!!
YES! That would make my day.
Give!
I think your rotor RPM may be low…
😂😂😂
I'm going to miss seeing the daily count of how many times he'd asked for this fight
Maybe Ka-52 or Mi-28 vs Raptor... we'll see
The absurdity of this fight was well worth the wait…..so much fun to watch! This is what TH-cam was made for.
The moment I saw this I had to drop everything and watch. Can't miss this masterpiece
His rotor rpm was in fact, low.
😂
With Sidewinders the Apache probably would've wiped the floor with the Felon.
I don’t think the apache carries sidewinders.
@@mariosraptorAim 9Ls or Aim 92 stingers
Yeah, the same can be said for the Su-57 with Fox 3s
@@Mgaming61actually its not easy for plane radars to pick up helos, I think the radars filter that low of a signature out. He could have just maddog launched it and got a kill though Im sure.
Yeah, in your dream, and yes, don't get up in your wet bed dream.
I can't immagine what the Longbow radar along MMW guided Hellfire can do in this case scenario. An Apache armed with 16 Hellfire AGM-114L could be a nightmere for air and ground targets.
My absolutely favorite part is: "I'm learning" and win twice in a row
Idk man its hard to say. A radar HF wont function exactly like a Fox 3 or even a Fox 1 they werent really designed to lead the movement of a fighter, I do believe the radar Hellfire would be the better choice though.
LOL, the guy who requested this for 150+ straight days will probably miss the notification for this video.
Finally, he can rest. 😔
Yes I can
@@treeWasNiceyou finally got it! Absolute madlad
@treeWasNice you may have your peace tree
Broooooo honestly this gave me the biggest smile I’ve had in weeks. Shoutout to Tree and you for actually doing this 😂😂😂
That tree 🌳 guy finally got his video of felon vs Apache thanks you for bringing his dream to life
KA-50 vs F-22, pretty please?
I think we all realize that the Felon could absolutely smoke the Apache with a Fox 3 shot, but it was cool to see that it's somewhat possible in a dogfight.
mi-28m nuh?
Mi-24?
@@saadsajidul9001 nha mi28 because its can be compare with ka 50
bob senple tank vs f-22
Surely the Apache could just sit stationary at treetop level and basically roleplay being a ground platform, though? And Fox 3s aren't very useful against ground targets. Then again, the chopper blades might produce a strong enough radar return.
You can't deny this fight was fun😁...
I've been rooting for the guy since like day 30, and he finally got it... Thanks for listening GS💯
Also noticed that I started receiving recommendations to this channel 5 years ago, but wasn't too interested. I checked the timeline to when I started watching your videos back to back and to my surprise, it was 4 years ago with the first video being F-14 vs SU 33.
This channel has really come a long way and every achievement made is very much deserved.
Always anticipating that notification of a new video everyday. There's even more joy when you drop two per day, lol.
I appreciate your efforts... Thank you for being the best ✊🏾
So this was kinda frustrating (gun-wise) and mainly funny...
...but definitely the weirdest dogfight ever! VERY entertaining! Well done and thanks, G.S.
(What's next - Sopworth Camel v Su-35?)
PO-2 vs something modern American over the Korean Peninsula lmao
Gyro bee vs Eurofighter
Snoopy has to fly the Camel.. 13:45
Much like Two Morons but Solo... Damn funny 😭🤣
Spad vs. F-15?
Never have I seen "like a falling leaf" so perfectly demonstrated!
(More Hornet videos please, esp. BVR, since lots of newbies like me got the Hornet!)
Gorram, he did it!
Hahahahaha, this is why we love you GS. You give the people what they want
Gotta have faith in George man! He knew exactly what to do and when to send it that second time round 😎 Great content as always! Tyvm.
The one thing an Apache can do, in the middle of a fight, that no fighter can?
Land.
Next up: Knife fight with an F-22.
You'll unlock the bipod immediately
'wait forgot he had fox 2's!'- famous last words from GS
I think you should do a re-match, but this time just keep the gun boresighted the entire time and lead target manually. I bet you'd have a lot more success.
This actually turned out even better than I imagined! Great fight guys!
This was more fun than I think Im allowed to have at my age.😂
Did anyone else notice the rotor rpm was low?
Oh is that what she was saying? I kept hearing "murder Akim Low". I wondered how the system knew the Felon's pilot's name. 😂
What made you think that? 😂
@@CoffeeMatt10
Because that's what I kept hearing! 😅
There was a PAF FA-50, Philippines Air Force. Engaged a simulated missile kill on a F-22 last July. The story went wild and an actual audio from the PAF pilot was extremely excited. I have no idea if you can create a dog fight with the FA-50 against F-22 that would be interesting to see.
That was actually a great match! Thanks for taking on that challenge!
GS: ok, we’re doing Apache vs Felon
George: what?
I wonder, in the first round, did the Felon pop flares to hide the fact that he popped off a missile at GS???
Seems kinda viable as a strat tbh
Damn, now I feel like we should get into helicopter fights like Apache vs Hind or Huey vs Hip and stuff like that. Great video
Considering the odds against the Apache, that was seriously impressive 👏
Absolutely!
Dude flying the SU-57 was very accommodating, especially the last two rounds where basically posed for the kills. For that matter even merging with a helicopter is for fun only nonsense. Still, this was a very entertaining video.
Odds in reality would be pretty in favor of the Apache.
USAF and Army did some tests called J-CATCH in the 70's that had AH-1 Cobras go up against F4, F15, A10 and A4 aircraft, and in close combat the kill ratio ended up being 5-1 in favor of the helo.
Basically brought in instructions that aircraft under no circumstances are to engage in close combat with helicopters, and to always use long range stand off weapons.
well thats their point, realistically they would just fire long range missiles and not worry too much about getting fired at themselves@@Minigoat_92
Something light hearted to end a long couple of days on. Thanks GS, really needed this tonight. Genuinely made me crack my first smile in a while.
This was even better than I expected, the Apache did surprisingly well. Amazing video!!
Can we get the KA-50 vs F-22 next?
This is your new burden to bear. Godspeed
@@ogvanillathunder day 1 lets begin
Man, you are a crazy dude, thank you for leaving me with such a big smile. Loved this, so will the U.S. Army or British Army being using this for training Ops???
Genuinely the most excited I’ve been watching a dogfighting video. Absolutely hilarious and brilliant! 🤣
Brilliant video...was laughing when the BVR hellfire had "Good effect on target" 😂
What a madlad he actually did it
Absolutely nailed it. Acrobatics, one circle, two circle & cherry on top BVR kill with a hellfire!!!!!
I was in a National Guard Apache Battalion in the Ops section (NOT a pilot). I was told there was some kind of flechete rocket that could be issued. They semi-regularly trained against the A10s at the Air Force Base and beat them all the time. McDonnell-Douglas/Hughes proved it could shoot Stingers but the Army never fielded them.
Oh my god! I recall the joke post about AH-64 vs Su-57 and laughed....but here we go!
Rest in peace brother. Your wish has been granted
I was just a ground pounder, but i swear I've seen Apache's with a Stinger mount. Am I mistaken? We seem capable of mounting the things on pretty much anything. But I truly believe I saw 1st Cav Apaches early inIraq with them.
Good on you GS for doing this fight, long time coming! 🙌
Apaches used to have some sort of heat seeking mitigation device on the tail boom, I wonder if they replicate that in DCS
Yeah exactly
The old-school "hot brick" jammer, which only worked against old-fashioned conical-scan missiles (up to 1980s production R-73 Archers), is finally being replaced with Common Infrared Countermeasures. This is a directional laser that dazzles the missile sensor, much like the Felon is supposed to have, actually. If this Felon is firing modern production R-73 then the old jammer is not helpful and would if anything better be left off.
On the other hand, it would be interesting to test older IR missiles against the DCS AH-64, because in theory, at least some of them should get "caught" by the jammer and fail to connect.
shout out to treewasnice for waiting 151 days
The laughing when you said "im in a two circle with a felon" shows how much you enjoyed this fight. At this moment i laughed so hard haha 😂😂
One of the coolest videos I've seen you do and thats saying something because all your vids are great!
I appreciate you.
I opened TH-cam, scrolled my subscribed, then saw this. I died laughing and dropped everything I had in my hand to watch this.😂😂😂
OKAY DAY 1:- FOR KA-50 VS F-22 RAPTOR 😈😈😈
Asking the same: F-22 Raptor vs KA-50
@@volodumurkalunyak4651 yup. KA-50 has a good air to air missiles. Igla I guess. And also an ejection seat. So it'll be more interesting
@@anubhabpaul3654yep, Igla vs AIM-120D AMRAAM
This is hands down one of the funniest videos you made, and I'm sure you too had a great time filming it
We're one circle here with the Felon. HILARIOUS!
HE REALLY DID IT!
This was probably the dumbest and funniest fight you’ve done in a while 😂😂 keep up the great work!
This was the goofiest thing I've seen today...and it was sorely needed. Thanks for the laughs, GS!
george with the "good effects, good effects" fucking killed me
HECK YEAH! HE DID IT!!! Shout out to GEORGE for that epic 🚀 shot!
This was the best content! Really cool, we need more like this
The fact that you got one kill against a Felon from an Apache is remarkable. But _two kills?_ That is epic!
That final missile in round 1 was covered by the Su flares. Impressive
I cant believe you actually did this😂 the guy that was asking for this better like this video
I love it when the community comes together and gets shit done. Kids persistence matters. Epic W Tree!
Day 2 of flying in DCS. Still have a long way to go but having so much fun so far :)
Ngl, this is probably the coolest godfight I've seen in this channels history😂 And, frankly, I want MORE!!!
That Apache roll at 3:48 is totally sick!!!!! so cool....
Does this version of the AH64 not have the sidewinders ? I know the AH-64E has sidewinders if needed.
That’s what I’m wondering. Need sidewinders and amraam’s
Well not sure if it’s radar will support fox3’s
@@Just_A_Random_Desk it’s a laser guided missile. But they are for closer targets, they aren’t fired miles from target. Much to close for a Fox 3 to track
I believe dcs goes off the D model, but it can carry sidewinders. I just can't find any data that mentions an Apache using them.
@@Just_A_Random_DeskI think those hellfires track RF signatures rather than radar signatures. I could be thinking of a different variant, but there's so many different 114's out there now.
That man can finally rest... 159 days i think it was
Operation.j catch was when the US tested its own attack Choppers against fighter craft, such as the eagle. It turned out that the helicopters were actually able to dominate the fight, going to show that an elevated attack platform that can maneuver and Hoveround is a bit slow, might be far more dangerous than anyone expected if equipped properly. We need to fit some LPI Radars and amraams or aim 260 s on them, maybe a IRST, some stealth characteristics, and let them go all SPAMRAAM on foes. They did actually prove themselves in those exercises the US tested them with
Love it! Thank you Toxic for being the sacrificial lamb a couple of rounds
Bloody hell, he did it 👏👏👏
The SU 57 was most of the time flying below the Apache. I don't know if that was the setup, but it is to the SU 57s advantage to always stay above the Apache. The Apaches gus are below the fuselage and would be difficult to target anything above it
I imagine several restrictions were placed on the felon to give the apache a chance.
That Su-57 was practically hovering itself with some of those maneuvers, hilarious fight too.
I'm just after the 2nd round now, wasn't one of the ones asking for this, but I'm so glad you endured this pain so calmly! Ha ha, such an entertaining fight!
Finished, I was cussing for you on that hellfire miss in round 4, but George can keep his job after all.. Awesome video.
Shouldn't the Apache have an air to air mode for its cannon, to deal with enemy helicopters.
"Its Stoller!"
Hahahahahaha finally did it. How funny would it be if the man himself didn't even watch the video after asking day after day 😂
That was by far one of the most insane videos. I was so engaged the whole time.
So cool of you to do this!!!! LOVE IT!!!!👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yo!!! Dude's wish came true!!!! Shout out to the tree guy!!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well worth the wait!
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!! Long have I waited for this moment. I wasn't the guy who asked for 150 days but I sure as hell wanted to see this happen after day 1 of the guy asking.
The felon is like a freaking trick kite!! Ive never seen a jet act that way!
I think crashing your apache and getting out and firing a stinger is the way to go like in Firebirds.
I like how they just happened to have a stinger onboard. 😂
Ha, that was awesome, like watching a spider verse a fly🤣
It's so good you did that video for him man, I've been watching him ask for this video and he has even been counting the days that he has been asking for it. You finally did it. Good on ya champ, love how you interact with your peeps watching. That was so entertaining, and I can't believe you got two kills against a Fellon. You should do that video again where it's guns only for the Felon. Great vid man, and you're a good sport for doing it for old mate. Love this channel......
What a legend.
Imagine if the apache had 9Xs like the blackshark.
Iirc There's a program to put stingers on apaches or other helicopters
It’s finally happened! The long awaited video!!
YESSSS!!!! Thank you!!!!
More rotary vs fixed wing air to air
So I’ve never been crazy enough to suggest this because I never thought he’d do it… but back when my uncle was in the Air Force he said they would do scenarios where helicopters would have air to air capability and they would protect a base against fixed wings. The helis would win every time apparently 🤷. No idea if any of that is true🤣🤣🤣.
it is, look up J-CATCH. Although the real question is whether radar have improved enough to track helicopters at range.
Appreciate the vid!
Thank you for watching.
Round 3 is what we were looking for. That was a fight
This might be your best video yet
Does the DCS Apache have the AIM-92 ATAS available? And if the answer is yes, why not try using these in a (ridiculously fun) fight like this?
The Apache is still very early access and missing a lot of features and weapons.
How about dogfighting the Felon in the AH-1Z; you'll have SideWinders and a faster gun.
Ah1z isnt in DCS.