Yep. I know it's all for fun but in all honesty this mission would have been a failure. Not a single Argentine a/c would have survived/returned to Argentina.
@@sootyjim Correct Jim... Even something as simple as blocking the runways with service trucks and other airport vehicles... Would mean that the aircraft would never even get to land on the Falklands... They had very little fuel left at the end... And their aircraft would have simply dropped from the sky... And even if they had ejected... They would easily have been captured by the thousands of troops stationed there... Also i would have thought that any critical missile battery system... Would also have something like the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System as a backup... Simply to take out anything that may have slipped through their initial defenses... Just as an added precaution to stop the battery from being hit or destroyed... Plus there must also be other defense capabilities that are available here... That simply aren't divulged to the media or to the public.
100%, launching at maximim range is pretty pointless when outnumbered. Also letting the En AC get closer may have been a more tactically sound option, letting them burn fuel, letting them have to contend with ground launched and air launched missles simultaniously. Also maybe not letting the humans cheat would be more realistic and challenging.
Technically you lost every F-16 that landed on the islands too, given the airframe and pilots would have been captured by the Royal Marine Detachment that is on the island.
In reality of course the Typhoons engage 200 miles west of the islands, because they knew the attack was coming five minutes after someone near Rio Gallegas picked up the phone and warned that all Argentina's F-16s just took off and headed out to sea. If any F-16s do survive and try to land, they're destroyed on the runway by GPMG fire.
Prediction before watching: even if the F16 mission is a complete success, the number of F16s lost will make the invasion unsustainable. You have to have enough aircraft left to defend your invasion force. King Chuckles’s boys are going to show up with F35 and paste whatever they can find.
If the Typhoons had been flown competently you would have lost even more F16s. I realize you’re making an entertaining video, but part of the problem was trying to do too much at once. You have 3 days, break the invasion into multiple missions with more limited objectives: 1. All F16s vs Typhoons, only objective is to destroy Typhoons. 2. If sufficient F16s survive to continue, supplement with remaining Fightinghawks and destroy ground targets. Hold as many F16s in reserve as possible, let Fightinghawks take losses. 3. If sufficient aircraft survive, cover landing force and provide CAS. 4. Prepare to defend against RN counterattack.
F16 may win 1st phase with numbers but would certainly sustain about half losses against typhoons and probably more this is without air defence and ship to air missiles plus retaliatory knock out blow by f35 on airfields from uk aircraft carrier Argentine airfields and from missile launched submarine
IF they could take the islands (and that's a very big IF) they wouldn't be able to hold it for long when His Majesty's Navy comes back looking to settle the score.
if (big if) the current gouvernment is willing and able to throw as much money at it as Thatcher was. And from what i hear, Thatcher had access to a better funded and equiped (relatively speaking) military. It being the cold war and all. But Argentina being serial bankrupt probably would not want the likely sanctions.
@@5Andysalive i disagree, out military right know is far more powerful than it was in the 80s and these days there is a much bigger focus on air power. the navy would be able to acheive air superioty and stop any argentinain resupply by day one of them arriving. then they can use guided ordinance to destory anyting the size of a car on the island.
@@freddiejohames8332plus from what I heard the defence budget is going up again to 2.5%. So it’s possible more acquisitions will be made in terms of equipment and numbers.
".. brilliant mission .." - pile of nonsense - you land the RAF Regiment shoot you with machine guns - try it with humans in the Typhoons and not looking at the map to see where the meteors are
@@grimreapers you've not played when you had to scramble from an F16 attack. Also the Navy assets were missing. The anti Air weapon systems in game are not firing well enough.
@@gavin1506 I noticed this too, F16's fly into range of the anti air ground vehicles, but only then the AI starts to drop the outriggers before the radar can deploy, why aren't those defences already prepped to turn on at the flick of a switch? They'd have gotten alot more missles off in that time making the wild weasling much harder.
not if they launch a barrage of missile and the planes will no longer will have fuel or a runway, so they would have to give the malvinas back, witch they dont own
@@victorforzani3433*Falklands. And the UK does own them. It’s a matter of fact not opinion. If you don’t like that you are welcome to press the “cope and seethe” button next to this comment, represented by a 👎🏻 in this instance.
Argentina has no stomach for another attempt and can less afford it financially now than in 1982. Buying some ancient F16s doesn't enable a competent Airforce over night, nor does it make it suddenly capable of combined arms warfare against a nation that has been involved in every major conflict since the 80's. The Typhoons would get high and fast, start knocking out the F16 due to a way more capable platform, the remaining F16 pilots would not hang around, the would withdraw as soon as they realised they were overmatched
@@victorforzani3433 Argentina has never owned the Falkland's there's nothing to give back loooooll, they just cry about it to distract there population from the shitty economy of the country
It's a shame those rear couple of Typhoon's flew so weirdly. Definitely would've helped with the defence to have them all spraying Meteors out properly. Queen Liz will see that the Empire Strikes Back!
I feel watching this, it showed that it can’t be done. A lot of f16s went home because of fuel and if you weren’t landing on the island to be captured by the uk ground forces that are there,you wouldn’t have had the fuel to get home. No ground troops got to the island so it wasn’t “taken” you showed you could knock out the air defences but at a cost of the entire flight of half of the f16s.
I'm not sure IF (in reality) those Typhoons are armed to Meteor missiles and even if they technically are, how many of them are in inventory i.e. ready to be used.
I think if the 1435 had someone informing them about incoming amraams like was being told to the f16's then that would of been a different outcome. Plus what you havnt factored in is that just prior to an amraam launch the Typhoons would have notice of an amraam launch as the tws has to briefly lock on to feed the missile accurate data. Done 2 tours down south, and you all said the falklands were captured, Im sure the Army stationed there would carry out a defensive battle knowing reinforcements were on the way. If a handful of Marines could hold off in Stanley and on South Georgia and carry out extensive damage, what would a fully defensive army unit be able to do :)
Even if the Argentinians had the balls to do this, they’d prolly take too many losses. And with what they have, any losses would greatly impact their ability to defend any taken territory, pretty much to the point that they wouldn’t even be able to.
They are not the Argentinian president is a realist unlike the previous populists who used the topic to stir up nationalism as they’d ruined the economy.
I guess they're counting on the idea that the British won't treat their temporary POWs too poorly, with the Argentine fleet on the way. Of course, the Argentines should remember that when the British fleet comes calling, too...
MilSim Weenies - "You ruined it by not having the right livery!" Me - "Oooh! Lookit the shiny things what go boom!" Wikipedia says the Argies have a KC-130H.
@@grimreapers Which makes it a loss for Argentina, their invasion fleet may as well just turn around now since they won't be able to hold the ground. Those NASAM's seemed pretty useless TBH.
Seeing those F-16 in Chilean colours, I'd love to see a video to see if the Argentinians could do a surprise attack on Chile with their new F-16s. It would be f-16 vs F-16.
Nice setup though the Harms might stretch out the Argentinian Air Force budget... as to keeping the fact they had F-16's quiet that would be a feat all on it's own... though a good bit of plot armour for the setup... also there would be a few Starstreaks and about 1500 personnel equipped with small arms... for Argentina it would a hey we are still here but ultimately a futile gesture.
Yep. Chances are ground crew are going to paint roundels on them, and spare pilots are going to use them to harrass or observe the approaching argentine forces.
you're forgetting the difference in training,the argentine air force in 82 didn't lack modernish aircraft or brave pilots,it lacked well trained experienced pilots,who'd spent enough time in the air.Has that factor changed?I think not. 350 miles wouldn't give the F16s even with two drop tanks much time on station
A few more fun facts about danish f-16s from a guy who used to work at the maintenance depot from 2002 to 2014 doing MLU, M3 and falcon star upgrades. The danish F-16s has helmet mounted cueing system which allows the pilot to aim with his eyes, they also have 3D sound systems for directional audio warnings like missile launch warnings, and they are the only F-16s still in service with the old P&W F100PW200 engines.
I think pretty much every F16 has helmet mounted display if that is what youre talking about? the F16's Denmark had were pretty trash but now they've got quite a big number of F-35s. Danish air force is now a serious player in NATO.
It is more than just a display, known as JHMCS or Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System it allows the pilot to aim weapons such as AIM 9X with his eyes. And yes our old F-16 had old airframes, the youngest are from 1988, but up to date avionics to call them trash is a bit harsh i think, but then again im biased having worked on them so much. Unfortunately we have only ordered 27-28 ... ish F-35s but i do hope our government will decide to order more.
@@thomasnielsen5856 I am no expert in the matter haha. Sounds like it's a bit more than just a HMD then. 27 may sound small but the capability is much more than the previous generation of jets. Estimates for F16 to F35 are 15:1 What matters is that Denmark has them now, they have expertise with the aircraft, it's maintenance etc. and so scaling numbers will only be a monetary issue, which in a war is not a big problem at all 😂.
Is anybody else thinking some S2A weapon systems have been under performing of late, Patriot and NASSAMS specifically. When i say under performing i probably mean more realistically like the operators are asleep, it used to be that NASSAMS had a 100% hit rate, much like TOR and Pantsir.
It really makes no difference. The political and military ramifications of something like this would put Argentina back in the dark ages in no time. Also remember just because the UK doesn't keep lots of military down there doesn't mean they don't have allies in the area. Interesting theorising but it really would be a suicide run for Argentina.
argentina is backed by every single latin country,except chile,and dont forget ,the one selling the guns to us is your biggest ally usa,it doesnt makes a difference anyway , our constitution doesnt allow us to take them back by force, wich is pretty smart,so that way no crazy president can do what they did iin 82
Chile - Argentina's neighbour - supports UK sovereignty over the Falklands. Mainly because Argentina also thinks it owns some of Chile's territory too.
Hiccapp you know what you guys should do. You guys should have a mission in which you guys escort. A bunch of C1 30s or c 17 to capture an airbadet. You have to take out Sam batteries before they land and truck, parks and tanks And all that stuff and then land and help your troops take control and set up sams. you can do it in several different maps. I think that'd be a great idea.
If you want to know why the Typhoon pilots helmets are lumpy look at Stryker helmet. It is a very advanced helmet which gives the pilot a big advantage.
As you show the Eurofighter helmet at 11:25- i think that should simulate the "Striker Helmet". With this the Pilot can -for example-give the AA Missile a target behind him. It also features HUD direct in the Helmet Visor.
33:30 Well, the Reds lost a $Billion in planes, missiles, and bombs. I'm certain the Argentine government thinks it was worth it. Now they have at least a few (3?) days to land troops, AA equipment, and fighters, and pacify the remainder of the British troops, before the inevitable attack comes. Maybe as much as 10-12 days. They'll think, again, and be wrong, again that they can defend Los Malvinas from the British.
There are 2000 uk soldiers still on the falklsnds. The "new" f16s help. But that is still too little nevermind the typhoon pilot are better and inna real fight would fare better.
@@michaeltschuertz Given they F-16 pilots would given the time line proposed would have had the airframes for lest than 2 months, I think the 'Veteran' skill level set as being optimistic.. Typhoon pilots would be 'Ace' and the F-16 pilots would be more like 'Rookie' aka 'Meteor Bait'.
"Could Argentina's New F-16s Take The Falklands With A Surprise Invasion?" Nope in the same way it's not possible to 'take' any other territory from the air - someone has to go and put a flag up :)
Sad that we does not have submarines inside the game. I mean proper submarines. Because if so, that Argentinian fleet would have no chance to go any closer to the Falklands than 100 miles xD Iam pretty sure in real life there is at least 1 Astute-class submarine nearby the island hidden beneath the waves, and waiting JUST IN CASE something goes wrong or how to say, sh1t hits the fan. Nice simulation anyways! :)
It's inevitable that ROYAL NAVY & RAF would be in the area before Argentina can take the islands. & wouldn't be able to attack both the Falkland defences & British counter offensive at the same time.
nice video guys as mentioned below AI doing AI things how would it work reversed 4 of GR using Typhoons but been done with different airframes so a nice twist on possible events. Yes Dads army greeting them with tea and pitchforks, although I would imagine a recon force would already be wheels up from somewhere close cant remeber the fleets TOT but a few pilots against E squad wouldnt end well.
missing assets on the UK side aside for the sim, first video ive seen of DCS and dam its incredible might have to have a look myself, a game that lets you do "what ifs" are great to me
Scoreboard did not seem to reflect the loss of missiles on planes that are shot down. Also, in terms of tactics, would it not have been better to have some air-to-air F-16's get the Eurofighters to take off and use fuel and missiles, and the F-16's run away without engaging. Follow-up F-16's destroy Eurofighters on the ground?
So the main reason why the deal was brokered for the F-16s was to keep Argentina from buying the even more advanced and better equipped JF-17 Block IIIs, same as are building for Pakistan. Now the proposal for that I believe was for a dozen JF-17s with weapons and spares for about twice as much as the deal is for the 24 used F-16AM/BMs from Denmark, but would have gotten them access to much longer ranged weapons than the USA is likely going to allow Argentina to have as part of the deal with Denmark. Also part of the trade deal with the USA saw Argentina transfer its two operational Mi-17E helicopters to Ukraine. Another thing is Denmark doesn't employ the sniper targeting pods, and they're not actually providing any weapons with the deal from their stocks because they're keeping them to use with their F-35s. Same goes with the ones being donated to Ukraine. The weapons will need to come from someone elses stocks (probably the USA). Denmark has long had a policy of re-using equipment from earlier aircraft and or ships. The weapon systems for the danish navy's three air defense frigates were largely recycled from the ships they replace. And in spite of being fitted with 32 cell Mk41 VLS systems each, the cells are empty because they've not bought any SM-2 Block IIIAs to actually put in them. Their only air defense missiles are 24 ESSMs in 12 Mk 56 VLS cells. The ships have space for another 12 Mk56 cells or another 8 Harpoon II launchers but have neither actually fitted. Folks complain about Canada's defense spending (as a percentage of GDP) but its way better than Denmark's. At least our navy buys the actual missiles for the VLS cells. Anyway you should try re-doing this fight with the JF-17s Block 3s, which would have the PL-15E BVR missiles as an option, . You could also add the 6 A-4Rs that are still reported to be operational and some of the IA 63 Pampa IIIs. The PL-15E's 145km range isn't as good as the Meteor but its still better than the 105 kms of the AIM-120C you used in this video. In addition the Argentine AF has a pair of KC-130Hs they acquired from the USA and the A-4Rs and Pampa IIIs are equipped for refueling from them which would extend their range (the F-16s are not being equipped with the Conformal tanks with the refueling probe that Lockheed developed for the proposed F-16IN Block 70s as far as I know, but hey, it MIGHT be a possibility to add to another test).
Wouldn't call the f16 modern. If anything the 1982 airforce was closer to the generation of uk aircraft in service. If its a surprise attack the typhoons should be tranche 1 with amraam, that's what is based there. All 4 are highly unlikely to be serviceable at short notice. The garrison at the base would take exception to it being called undefended, nothing is landing there and surviving!
F-16 would have had to contend with ground launched missiles in addition to air to air. RAF would not have been caught out while landing. RAF would also have switched off their radars and probably have decoys to attract HARM weapons.
The 307th and 2nd bomber wing out of Barksdale would be there in 12 hours. That’s about 48 B-52’s with all kinds of stand off ASU and ground munitions. Can’t even calculate how much that would be. Then the Bones, then another two groups of 52’s. That would be terrible for Argentina. The UK has always had our back, NO way we ever let them fight alone again.
Sadly old Brandon and his handlers would hang us out to dry, sleepy Joe’s regime hates the west. Trump on the other hand, i can see assets being made available to give the Argentinians a big fat sloppy DP
Shame the ai pilots didnt fly the typhoon properly and thought they were doing a high alpha pass at RIAT. Also a shame the sam sites werent ready to fire when they knew they were being attacked too! Anyway, a loss the argy air force to invade for a couple of weeks again
The Meteor physics totally wrong still, especially boost at kill, at 105 miles range Meteor is still Mach 4+, it does not work like AMRAAM. You can also lob long at targets close to 150 miles if you want to alter the flight profile. Also, good for 100,000 feet intercepts, the ramjet works well at high altitude. This would have been a turkey shoot in real life.
Just curious does everybody skip the mission briefing? Cuz I really feel like I'm the only one that does watch it. I see at least five or six comments complaining that the AIM9X it's supposed to be on the aircraft when it is on the aircraft.😂 Then people flapping their gums about the sky saber, but yet it's explained pretty clearly but apparently people don't understand English
@@dexlab7539 That's funny because I don't think we've got any reason to BE upset regarding the islands. It's the Argentine politicians that seem to want to bring it up, everytime they want to try and distract the general population from what an economic basket case Argentina is. It's a shame really, it's such a beautiful country but run by morally corrupt b*stards!
Bit of a waste of time compared to the usual standard of fare on the channel: 1. No human pilots for the RAF 2. Blatant cheating using the map by the F16s
The pilots landing are armed with pistols. Even the support staff have rifles and magazines. Argentina just used up all their aircraft and their best pilots. British aircraft arrive in a few hours.
There would be about 200 manpad missiles being fired at each of the f16 aircraft whilst they were over land and about another 200 if they were stupid enough to try to land at an airfield any where on the Falkland islands and even if they did land just exactly what would 4 unarmed air men do against the entire contingent of the island and why were the land based missiles firing so slowly they would have saturated all of the air space before all of the harm missiles impacted
The F-16's that Argentina get's are probably going to be hamstrung by the same constraints that the F-16's Egypt and Iraq got. No Fox-3's means the Typhoon's stationed there are going to have a teddy bears picnic. God help them if Britain puts even one F-35 on the Island. Don't care what any sort of wargame/simulation says. RAF (and FAA) pilots have vastly greater flying experience and the BVR capabilities of even somewhat modern Typhoons will blow the F-16's out of the air before Argies even realise what's happening.
i want to see a continuation of this where you use 'navalised' typhoons (this is something that was considered in real life), to see if British forces could take the Falklands back even without the help of NATO and commonwealth (again)
It was considered... Very briefly. My brother was part of the Typhoon design team, and his words on that were simply, we would have had to rebuild most of the airframe. It was not worth doing. Especially as Britain did not have the carriers to operate them. Still do not, but then do not need them do we? The Queen Elizabeth's can operate F-35B's perfectly fine, so why would we need navalised Typhoons?
the typhoon is a mod and mods tend to develop issues over time. Mods are community made and tend to have to react to DCS updates that might affect the logic. this is why core game tends to have less issues. any issues are usually caught by a testing group before updates go public where as the mod community has to reli on people to report it to them and then they apply fixes in their own time.
I was under the impression that the danish F-16s would be going to Ukraine. Turns out, they only get whatever is left of the 30 we had, after Argentina takes 24 :(
Why on earth would you supply a known aggressor with f16s while leaving Ukraine short - who are actually fighting on your behalf?! If you're supplying f16s to Argentina, I'd imagine that the British will just add more defense to the islands making this scenario irrelevant anyway. 🤷🏼♂️
@@n0_h4ndl3 ill tell you why, the argentinian constitution doesnt allow us to take them back by force ,they added that after 82 so that way no crazy president can do what they did in 82 , our purchase is to deffend , not to attack
@@n0_h4ndl3 Long story short: The US decides who gets to buy surplus F16’s, and they decided that it would be better to let Argentina buy the danish planes instead of Russian or chinese planes.
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nice of you to deliver those F16's to the 2000 soldiers based on the falklands lol
pops the canopy to throw his helmet and cheer like Maverick only to be met with the sound of 500 guns cocking in every direction! XD
Yep.
I know it's all for fun but in all honesty this mission would have been a failure.
Not a single Argentine a/c would have survived/returned to Argentina.
@@sootyjim Correct Jim... Even something as simple as blocking the runways with service trucks and other airport vehicles... Would mean that the aircraft would never even get to land on the Falklands... They had very little fuel left at the end... And their aircraft would have simply dropped from the sky... And even if they had ejected... They would easily have been captured by the thousands of troops stationed there... Also i would have thought that any critical missile battery system... Would also have something like the Phalanx Close-In Weapons System as a backup... Simply to take out anything that may have slipped through their initial defenses... Just as an added precaution to stop the battery from being hit or destroyed... Plus there must also be other defense capabilities that are available here... That simply aren't divulged to the media or to the public.
It's about 1300 service personnel of which 120-ish are infantry with all the rest RAF support personnel.
@@clangerbasher oh yes I forgot the RAF don't use guns ....
Would have been a bit more useful if at least a couple of the Typhoons had been flown by competent humans
Competent humans aren't allowed in GR videos.
agreed, it needed pilots that more accurately represent the much better trained RAF
100%, launching at maximim range is pretty pointless when outnumbered. Also letting the En AC get closer may have been a more tactically sound option, letting them burn fuel, letting them have to contend with ground launched and air launched missles simultaniously. Also maybe not letting the humans cheat would be more realistic and challenging.
@superflyguy4488 they should try get the RAF server guys involved in these things.
But they lost ALL the F-16’s? What was the point of that?
Technically you lost every F-16 that landed on the islands too, given the airframe and pilots would have been captured by the Royal Marine Detachment that is on the island.
Sat in the falklands watching this 😅
In reality of course the Typhoons engage 200 miles west of the islands, because they knew the attack was coming five minutes after someone near Rio Gallegas picked up the phone and warned that all Argentina's F-16s just took off and headed out to sea. If any F-16s do survive and try to land, they're destroyed on the runway by GPMG fire.
Prediction before watching: even if the F16 mission is a complete success, the number of F16s lost will make the invasion unsustainable. You have to have enough aircraft left to defend your invasion force. King Chuckles’s boys are going to show up with F35 and paste whatever they can find.
If the Typhoons had been flown competently you would have lost even more F16s. I realize you’re making an entertaining video, but part of the problem was trying to do too much at once. You have 3 days, break the invasion into multiple missions with more limited objectives: 1. All F16s vs Typhoons, only objective is to destroy Typhoons. 2. If sufficient F16s survive to continue, supplement with remaining Fightinghawks and destroy ground targets. Hold as many F16s in reserve as possible, let Fightinghawks take losses. 3. If sufficient aircraft survive, cover landing force and provide CAS. 4. Prepare to defend against RN counterattack.
What if rn r8 goes on offensive with f35 on argy bases with apache helicopters and this time not be so forgiving😅
How many F16s have ever been shot down by other aircraft? 1.
By ground fire 5.
JSF performed poorly against Indian MIgs. Typhoons are antiques.
F16 may win 1st phase with numbers but would certainly sustain about half losses against typhoons and probably more this is without air defence and ship to air missiles plus retaliatory knock out blow by f35 on airfields from uk aircraft carrier Argentine airfields and from missile launched submarine
@@user-uy3bj9ue5c they didnt perform poorly. look into the mission and how it was set up.
Any chance of a UK group assault video with type 26 type 45 and f35 where the escorts DO fire the spear 5 missiles? Love the channel cheers🍺
Free planes for the Brits, as a former Royal Marine who's served there, not a single GR would leave their cockpit (on their own) ;)
As a fellow brit. I approve of this. Thanks for your service though.
@@dragondude6984 your no brit.
@@EnglishScripter wdym?
@@dragondude6984 You support a terrorist organisation, funded by Iran who has committed terror attacks on our nation.
Might need to be jetwashed out? :D
IF they could take the islands (and that's a very big IF) they wouldn't be able to hold it for long when His Majesty's Navy comes back looking to settle the score.
So the Empire will strike back?
if (big if) the current gouvernment is willing and able to throw as much money at it as Thatcher was. And from what i hear, Thatcher had access to a better funded and equiped (relatively speaking) military. It being the cold war and all.
But Argentina being serial bankrupt probably would not want the likely sanctions.
@@5Andysalive i disagree, out military right know is far more powerful than it was in the 80s and these days there is a much bigger focus on air power. the navy would be able to acheive air superioty and stop any argentinain resupply by day one of them arriving. then they can use guided ordinance to destory anyting the size of a car on the island.
@@5Andysalive Our military is much more equipped than it was in the falklands war! Especially our navy.
@@freddiejohames8332plus from what I heard the defence budget is going up again to 2.5%. So it’s possible more acquisitions will be made in terms of equipment and numbers.
There's also a chance of an Astute class sub in the area.
A Chance there will be one round and about but these fools will never find it.
King Charles does not approve of this video.
😄😆😅😂🤣
But let's be honest, it would be dumb to launch all your fighters knowing the RN will be along in a week to take it back again like last time
Carbon Footprint too big
King Cuck? So sad.
_Send in Mummy!_
".. brilliant mission .." - pile of nonsense - you land the RAF Regiment shoot you with machine guns - try it with humans in the Typhoons and not looking at the map to see where the meteors are
100% agree - Not their best work IMHO
I think playing the Typhoons as humans could be interesting
Meh we did that twice already. I want to play Argentina!
@@grimreapers I would like to quote you:
0:40
Since you did the whole mission now kinda a many times already^^
@@grimreapers you've not played when you had to scramble from an F16 attack. Also the Navy assets were missing. The anti Air weapon systems in game are not firing well enough.
@@gavin1506 I noticed this too, F16's fly into range of the anti air ground vehicles, but only then the AI starts to drop the outriggers before the radar can deploy, why aren't those defences already prepped to turn on at the flick of a switch? They'd have gotten alot more missles off in that time making the wild weasling much harder.
What was the point of the video when you totally hamstring the 'Phoons with duff ai piloting.?
It would take a massive effort from Argentina which would cause the lose of all their equipment in the process
not if they launch a barrage of missile and the planes will no longer will have fuel or a runway, so they would have to give the malvinas back, witch they dont own
@@victorforzani3433 but the British could do the same
@@victorforzani3433*Falklands. And the UK does own them. It’s a matter of fact not opinion.
If you don’t like that you are welcome to press the “cope and seethe” button next to this comment, represented by a 👎🏻 in this instance.
Argentina has no stomach for another attempt and can less afford it financially now than in 1982. Buying some ancient F16s doesn't enable a competent Airforce over night, nor does it make it suddenly capable of combined arms warfare against a nation that has been involved in every major conflict since the 80's. The Typhoons would get high and fast, start knocking out the F16 due to a way more capable platform, the remaining F16 pilots would not hang around, the would withdraw as soon as they realised they were overmatched
@@victorforzani3433 Argentina has never owned the Falkland's there's nothing to give back loooooll, they just cry about it to distract there population from the shitty economy of the country
It's a shame those rear couple of Typhoon's flew so weirdly. Definitely would've helped with the defence to have them all spraying Meteors out properly. Queen Liz will see that the Empire Strikes Back!
_"Queen Liz?"_
Newsflash, she died. It's King Charles now. Long live the King.
Maybe he meant HMS QE? Idk…
@@xenaguy01 ….the aircraft carrier.
@@olivergrundy5205
Ahh, you're probably right. My error.
@@danhodson7187
Right, my error.
I feel watching this, it showed that it can’t be done. A lot of f16s went home because of fuel and if you weren’t landing on the island to be captured by the uk ground forces that are there,you wouldn’t have had the fuel to get home. No ground troops got to the island so it wasn’t “taken” you showed you could knock out the air defences but at a cost of the entire flight of half of the f16s.
Nice video and gameplay but surely the biggest deterrent is Tomahawk. Submarine or ship launched can hit anything on the Argentinian mainland?
The Typhoons in the Falklands are superior in every where over the old F-16As that Argentina are getting and with meteor they are fish in a barrel
I'm not sure IF (in reality) those Typhoons are armed to Meteor missiles and even if they technically are, how many of them are in inventory i.e. ready to be used.
@@FatHead1979they most likely will be armed with meteor as they are QRF
Hope Denmark insisted on payment up front before delivery.....
I think if the 1435 had someone informing them about incoming amraams like was being told to the f16's then that would of been a different outcome.
Plus what you havnt factored in is that just prior to an amraam launch the Typhoons would have notice of an amraam launch as the tws has to briefly lock on to feed the missile accurate data.
Done 2 tours down south, and you all said the falklands were captured, Im sure the Army stationed there would carry out a defensive battle knowing reinforcements were on the way.
If a handful of Marines could hold off in Stanley and on South Georgia and carry out extensive damage, what would a fully defensive army unit be able to do :)
Even if the Argentinians had the balls to do this, they’d prolly take too many losses. And with what they have, any losses would greatly impact their ability to defend any taken territory, pretty much to the point that they wouldn’t even be able to.
Thank you for your work Cap!
11:19 'The pilot's helmet is very bobbly for some reason', that's a Striker Helmet Mounted Display, the 'Bobbles' are IR LEDs for head tracking.
Thanks for sharing - interesting.
Nest time have humans flying the typhoons and maybe a few manpads in action
YAAAS! I was so excited for this!
I just researched and I did not realize that UK Argentina relations were very strained still.
the argentinian constitution doesnt allow a military action to take them back
@@vwPoloTDI interesting tidbit. Thank you.
@@vwPoloTDIMilei will change the constitution if he can
I think the UK embassy in BA is their biggest in South America.
They are not the Argentinian president is a realist unlike the previous populists who used the topic to stir up nationalism as they’d ruined the economy.
Now to land on the base you just attacked, and become prisoners of war eh? 😉
I guess they're counting on the idea that the British won't treat their temporary POWs too poorly, with the Argentine fleet on the way.
Of course, the Argentines should remember that when the British fleet comes calling, too...
British food better than Argentinian?
Not sure how they could have got the planes and become remotely competent without and it be a surprise.
I dearly hope you feel better soon, Cap, and all the medical stuff goes well.
So you are landing into enemy territory?
Well that's a fail.
They still have their service pistols?
@@grimreapers Unless they resemble white handkerchiefs... they ain't going to be of much use 🤷♂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@grimreapers And the base personel will have access to pistols AND assult rifles (at the bare minimum)
MilSim Weenies - "You ruined it by not having the right livery!"
Me - "Oooh! Lookit the shiny things what go boom!"
Wikipedia says the Argies have a KC-130H.
But isn't that the wrong refueling system? The KC-130H seems to have a Probe&Chute System, while the f16 has a boom system
@@whiskeylima960 yeah probably. Not hard to change though.
How many F16s would have made it back to the mainland?
Zero
I think 4 made it back in our sim.
@@grimreapers Which makes it a loss for Argentina, their invasion fleet may as well just turn around now since they won't be able to hold the ground.
Those NASAM's seemed pretty useless TBH.
@@grimreapers So four against the 13 they gave up to the UK?
Brilliant, thanks for this!!
Yeah, nope. You’ve over simplified the defences. It would be an act of desperation for Argentina to throw away their resources like that. . . Again.
Argentina would be left with 5 F16s
The F16 is way better than the f2000.. ask the USAF 😌😏
@@ez31928 I've asked an F22 pilot, he said it's the closest he's ever come to being shot down in red flag.
@@ez31928 EF's are closer to the F-15II in capabilities. Not even a contest.
Seeing those F-16 in Chilean colours, I'd love to see a video to see if the Argentinians could do a surprise attack on Chile with their new F-16s. It would be f-16 vs F-16.
Nice setup though the Harms might stretch out the Argentinian Air Force budget... as to keeping the fact they had F-16's quiet that would be a feat all on it's own... though a good bit of plot armour for the setup... also there would be a few Starstreaks and about 1500 personnel equipped with small arms... for Argentina it would a hey we are still here but ultimately a futile gesture.
Quality. British lose 3 Typhoons and capture several F16s 😂
7:00 "most boring, non sexy mission?"
are you sure? this looks pretty sexy to my
14:55 meteor rly pulled hard
They would also lose the planes that landed ....
Yep. Chances are ground crew are going to paint roundels on them, and spare pilots are going to use them to harrass or observe the approaching argentine forces.
one word SuperCap.... Treason!
:P Love you work
The F16’s they are getting are literally ancient A/B variants
"MLU"
Yes, but with recent avionics and weapons.
you're forgetting the difference in training,the argentine air force in 82 didn't lack modernish aircraft or brave pilots,it lacked well trained experienced pilots,who'd spent enough time in the air.Has that factor changed?I think not.
350 miles wouldn't give the F16s even with two drop tanks much time on station
I love that you started integrating more tactical skills like TOT.
A few more fun facts about danish f-16s from a guy who used to work at the maintenance depot from 2002 to 2014 doing MLU, M3 and falcon star upgrades. The danish F-16s has helmet mounted cueing system which allows the pilot to aim with his eyes, they also have 3D sound systems for directional audio warnings like missile launch warnings, and they are the only F-16s still in service with the old P&W F100PW200 engines.
I think pretty much every F16 has helmet mounted display if that is what youre talking about? the F16's Denmark had were pretty trash but now they've got quite a big number of F-35s. Danish air force is now a serious player in NATO.
It is more than just a display, known as JHMCS or Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System it allows the pilot to aim weapons such as AIM 9X with his eyes. And yes our old F-16 had old airframes, the youngest are from 1988, but up to date avionics to call them trash is a bit harsh i think, but then again im biased having worked on them so much. Unfortunately we have only ordered 27-28 ... ish F-35s but i do hope our government will decide to order more.
@@thomasnielsen5856 I am no expert in the matter haha. Sounds like it's a bit more than just a HMD then. 27 may sound small but the capability is much more than the previous generation of jets. Estimates for F16 to F35 are 15:1 What matters is that Denmark has them now, they have expertise with the aircraft, it's maintenance etc. and so scaling numbers will only be a monetary issue, which in a war is not a big problem at all 😂.
ASRAAM is the funniest name for a heat-seeking missile.
Meteor is a great missile
Bit pricy though!
Is anybody else thinking some S2A weapon systems have been under performing of late, Patriot and NASSAMS specifically. When i say under performing i probably mean more realistically like the operators are asleep, it used to be that NASSAMS had a 100% hit rate, much like TOR and Pantsir.
Yup, SAMs completely changed lately in game.
It really makes no difference. The political and military ramifications of something like this would put Argentina back in the dark ages in no time.
Also remember just because the UK doesn't keep lots of military down there doesn't mean they don't have allies in the area.
Interesting theorising but it really would be a suicide run for Argentina.
argentina is backed by every single latin country,except chile,and dont forget ,the one selling the guns to us is your biggest ally usa,it doesnt makes a difference anyway , our constitution doesnt allow us to take them back by force, wich is pretty smart,so that way no crazy president can do what they did iin 82
Chile - Argentina's neighbour - supports UK sovereignty over the Falklands. Mainly because Argentina also thinks it owns some of Chile's territory too.
Can't wait for full modeled F-4 reenactment videos
Hiccapp you know what you guys should do. You guys should have a mission in which you guys escort. A bunch of C1 30s or c 17 to capture an airbadet. You have to take out Sam batteries before they land and truck, parks and tanks And all that stuff and then land and help your troops take control and set up sams. you can do it in several different maps. I think that'd be a great idea.
If you want to know why the Typhoon pilots helmets are lumpy look at Stryker helmet. It is a very advanced helmet which gives the pilot a big advantage.
As you show the Eurofighter helmet at 11:25- i think that should simulate the "Striker Helmet". With this the Pilot can -for example-give the AA Missile a target behind him. It also features HUD direct in the Helmet Visor.
Oh wow i was going to suggest this very scenario.
Patented Cap "Bollocks Maneuver". It's a classic for a reason, folks.
33:30 Well, the Reds lost a $Billion in planes, missiles, and bombs. I'm certain the Argentine government thinks it was worth it. Now they have at least a few (3?) days to land troops, AA equipment, and fighters, and pacify the remainder of the British troops, before the inevitable attack comes. Maybe as much as 10-12 days.
They'll think, again, and be wrong, again that they can defend Los Malvinas from the British.
There are 2000 uk soldiers still on the falklsnds.
The "new" f16s help. But that is still too little nevermind the typhoon pilot are better and inna real fight would fare better.
@@michaeltschuertz Given they F-16 pilots would given the time line proposed would have had the airframes for lest than 2 months, I think the 'Veteran' skill level set as being optimistic.. Typhoon pilots would be 'Ace' and the F-16 pilots would be more like 'Rookie' aka 'Meteor Bait'.
*Falklands
Nice finale.I laughed.
"Could Argentina's New F-16s Take The Falklands With A Surprise Invasion?"
Nope
in the same way it's not possible to 'take' any other territory from the air - someone has to go and put a flag up :)
Sad that we does not have submarines inside the game. I mean proper submarines. Because if so, that Argentinian fleet would have no chance to go any closer to the Falklands than 100 miles xD Iam pretty sure in real life there is at least 1 Astute-class submarine nearby the island hidden beneath the waves, and waiting JUST IN CASE something goes wrong or how to say, sh1t hits the fan. Nice simulation anyways! :)
It's inevitable that ROYAL NAVY & RAF would be in the area before Argentina can take the islands. & wouldn't be able to attack both the Falkland defences & British counter offensive at the same time.
nice video guys as mentioned below AI doing AI things how would it work reversed 4 of GR using Typhoons but been done with different airframes so a nice twist on possible events. Yes Dads army greeting them with tea and pitchforks, although I would imagine a recon force would already be wheels up from somewhere close cant remeber the fleets TOT but a few pilots against E squad wouldnt end well.
Grim Reapers it would be awesome to see you guys do a recreation of the Moloch Desert mission from Ace Combat 6 inside DCS. O7 Keep up the great work.
Now we need a follow up with QE and the 35s teaching the Last four F-16s plus humans a lesson in British manners 😈🇬🇧
missing assets on the UK side aside for the sim, first video ive seen of DCS and dam its incredible might have to have a look myself, a game that lets you do "what ifs" are great to me
well they were particularly useless NASAMS, when their combat performance in Ukraine has been outstanding
Debatable given that Zelensky is crying for more. Sounds like lots have been destroyed
Outstanding as they havent even arriven in Ukraine. they still depend on the one Patriot battery left and the IRIS T launchers.
That AA was utterly useless.
Scoreboard did not seem to reflect the loss of missiles on planes that are shot down. Also, in terms of tactics, would it not have been better to have some air-to-air F-16's get the Eurofighters to take off and use fuel and missiles, and the F-16's run away without engaging. Follow-up F-16's destroy Eurofighters on the ground?
Yeh had a few scoreboards problems with this one.
a couple of f16s cannot capture the Falklands lol
But they can sure make a hole in the fence, facilitating infiltration!
@BoraHorzaGobuchul Not if they join Nato... it requires troops and last I checked when they tried that the Royal marines had something to say lol
@@cowansimstudio I think he was actually joking about the 'incident' at the end with the actual perimeter fence
Let's hope the RAF is better than these AI bots.
Agreed
So the main reason why the deal was brokered for the F-16s was to keep Argentina from buying the even more advanced and better equipped JF-17 Block IIIs, same as are building for Pakistan. Now the proposal for that I believe was for a dozen JF-17s with weapons and spares for about twice as much as the deal is for the 24 used F-16AM/BMs from Denmark, but would have gotten them access to much longer ranged weapons than the USA is likely going to allow Argentina to have as part of the deal with Denmark. Also part of the trade deal with the USA saw Argentina transfer its two operational Mi-17E helicopters to Ukraine. Another thing is Denmark doesn't employ the sniper targeting pods, and they're not actually providing any weapons with the deal from their stocks because they're keeping them to use with their F-35s. Same goes with the ones being donated to Ukraine. The weapons will need to come from someone elses stocks (probably the USA). Denmark has long had a policy of re-using equipment from earlier aircraft and or ships. The weapon systems for the danish navy's three air defense frigates were largely recycled from the ships they replace. And in spite of being fitted with 32 cell Mk41 VLS systems each, the cells are empty because they've not bought any SM-2 Block IIIAs to actually put in them. Their only air defense missiles are 24 ESSMs in 12 Mk 56 VLS cells. The ships have space for another 12 Mk56 cells or another 8 Harpoon II launchers but have neither actually fitted. Folks complain about Canada's defense spending (as a percentage of GDP) but its way better than Denmark's. At least our navy buys the actual missiles for the VLS cells.
Anyway you should try re-doing this fight with the JF-17s Block 3s, which would have the PL-15E BVR missiles as an option, . You could also add the 6 A-4Rs that are still reported to be operational and some of the IA 63 Pampa IIIs. The PL-15E's 145km range isn't as good as the Meteor but its still better than the 105 kms of the AIM-120C you used in this video. In addition the Argentine AF has a pair of KC-130Hs they acquired from the USA and the A-4Rs and Pampa IIIs are equipped for refueling from them which would extend their range (the F-16s are not being equipped with the Conformal tanks with the refueling probe that Lockheed developed for the proposed F-16IN Block 70s as far as I know, but hey, it MIGHT be a possibility to add to another test).
Wouldn't call the f16 modern. If anything the 1982 airforce was closer to the generation of uk aircraft in service. If its a surprise attack the typhoons should be tranche 1 with amraam, that's what is based there. All 4 are highly unlikely to be serviceable at short notice. The garrison at the base would take exception to it being called undefended, nothing is landing there and surviving!
F-16 would have had to contend with ground launched missiles in addition to air to air. RAF would not have been caught out while landing. RAF would also have switched off their radars and probably have decoys to attract HARM weapons.
They would last 2 seconds against typhoons
The 307th and 2nd bomber wing out of Barksdale would be there in 12 hours. That’s about 48 B-52’s with all kinds of stand off ASU and ground munitions. Can’t even calculate how much that would be. Then the Bones, then another two groups of 52’s. That would be terrible for Argentina. The UK has always had our back, NO way we ever let them fight alone again.
Sadly old Brandon and his handlers would hang us out to dry, sleepy Joe’s regime hates the west. Trump on the other hand, i can see assets being made available to give the Argentinians a big fat sloppy DP
Not likely. It would take months for the decision to be made.
Fantastic Americans delivering Falcon-16 and thanks you Brits & U.S.A. ✔
Shame the ai pilots didnt fly the typhoon properly and thought they were doing a high alpha pass at RIAT. Also a shame the sam sites werent ready to fire when they knew they were being attacked too! Anyway, a loss the argy air force to invade for a couple of weeks again
50 years of F-16 and 30 years of Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon in 2024.
After all those expensive missiles whittled the numbers down a couple of cheap vehicles on the runway would deny the runway to the remaining F-16’s.
So the RAF had 2 Typhoons literally hanging on the burners cooking fuel for nothing then dump payload and leave?
Very realistic 🤣
The Meteor physics totally wrong still, especially boost at kill, at 105 miles range Meteor is still Mach 4+, it does not work like AMRAAM. You can also lob long at targets close to 150 miles if you want to alter the flight profile. Also, good for 100,000 feet intercepts, the ramjet works well at high altitude. This would have been a turkey shoot in real life.
Last time they lost to harriers, this time it could be F35 on 2 carriers
Just curious does everybody skip the mission briefing? Cuz I really feel like I'm the only one that does watch it. I see at least five or six comments complaining that the AIM9X it's supposed to be on the aircraft when it is on the aircraft.😂
Then people flapping their gums about the sky saber, but yet it's explained pretty clearly but apparently people don't understand English
The analytics show how much of each part has been watched. Not many briefing watchers :(
If you have human pilots they need to be equal across the two sides. Human pilots are such a massive advantage.
Passify!
Another great "What If" mission. But you sure enjoy picking on the Falkland Island Cap! LOL! Vedio Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁
Brits still upset over the Falklands
@@dexlab7539 No doubt!
@@dexlab7539 That's funny because I don't think we've got any reason to BE upset regarding the islands. It's the Argentine politicians that seem to want to bring it up, everytime they want to try and distract the general population from what an economic basket case Argentina is.
It's a shame really, it's such a beautiful country but run by morally corrupt b*stards!
looks like UK needs some decent air defence kit
Typhoons would never have scrambled that early
2 of them would. 2 are kept on standby.
Bit of a waste of time compared to the usual standard of fare on the channel:
1. No human pilots for the RAF
2. Blatant cheating using the map by the F16s
The resident infantry company would capture all F16s landing on our islands
The pilots landing are armed with pistols. Even the support staff have rifles and magazines. Argentina just used up all their aircraft and their best pilots. British aircraft arrive in a few hours.
One point. The people of the Falkland Islands want to be British. Tske it by force? We see a lot of that.
There would be about 200 manpad missiles being fired at each of the f16 aircraft whilst they were over land and about another 200 if they were stupid enough to try to land at an airfield any where on the Falkland islands and even if they did land just exactly what would 4 unarmed air men do against the entire contingent of the island and why were the land based missiles firing so slowly they would have saturated all of the air space before all of the harm missiles impacted
Problem is the british are now pissed off and on their way
AND there's 1500+ VERY pissed off British service personnel already on the islands, I doubt they'd be very ahppy about the deaths of the colleagues.
The F-16's that Argentina get's are probably going to be hamstrung by the same constraints that the F-16's Egypt and Iraq got. No Fox-3's means the Typhoon's stationed there are going to have a teddy bears picnic. God help them if Britain puts even one F-35 on the Island.
Don't care what any sort of wargame/simulation says. RAF (and FAA) pilots have vastly greater flying experience and the BVR capabilities of even somewhat modern Typhoons will blow the F-16's out of the air before Argies even realise what's happening.
i want to see a continuation of this where you use 'navalised' typhoons (this is something that was considered in real life), to see if British forces could take the Falklands back even without the help of NATO and commonwealth (again)
It was considered... Very briefly.
My brother was part of the Typhoon design team, and his words on that were simply, we would have had to rebuild most of the airframe. It was not worth doing. Especially as Britain did not have the carriers to operate them.
Still do not, but then do not need them do we? The Queen Elizabeth's can operate F-35B's perfectly fine, so why would we need navalised Typhoons?
the reason why a general would not send s a strike group in that manner they would instead attack using long range missile and the the aircrafts
Like every radar station wouldn't have been up after first contact. Silly.
DCS fix your flippin AI!
Teach it some damn basic BVR skills not just dogfight
the typhoon is a mod and mods tend to develop issues over time. Mods are community made and tend to have to react to DCS updates that might affect the logic. this is why core game tends to have less issues. any issues are usually caught by a testing group before updates go public where as the mod community has to reli on people to report it to them and then they apply fixes in their own time.
I was under the impression that the danish F-16s would be going to Ukraine. Turns out, they only get whatever is left of the 30 we had, after Argentina takes 24 :(
We have 43 of which 30 are in active duty. Of those 43 19 are headed for Ukraine, and the rest are going to Argentina.
Why on earth would you supply a known aggressor with f16s while leaving Ukraine short - who are actually fighting on your behalf?!
If you're supplying f16s to Argentina, I'd imagine that the British will just add more defense to the islands making this scenario irrelevant anyway.
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@@n0_h4ndl3 ill tell you why, the argentinian constitution doesnt allow us to take them back by force ,they added that after 82 so that way no crazy president can do what they did in 82 , our purchase is to deffend , not to attack
@@n0_h4ndl3 Long story short: The US decides who gets to buy surplus F16’s, and they decided that it would be better to let Argentina buy the danish planes instead of Russian or chinese planes.
Lol ukraine isn’t fighting on anyone’s behalf except their own and the politicians using the war to launder taxpayers money