Ejections 137-139 - Alan Porter Ejects Nolan Arenado & R De Jesus Gets Omar Narvaez + Craig Counsell
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- 1B Umpire Alan Porter ejected Cardinals 3B Nolan Arenado (check swing strike three call) and several innings later HP Umpire Ramon De Jesus ejected Brewers catcher Omar Narvaez alongside manager Craig Counsell (strike three call). Report: www.closecalls...
1:40 Molina's perfect frame tricked the ump lol
That was a Looooooong leash De Jesus gave to Narvaez.
He was scared.
Probably a rookie. Why he sucks so bad.
A lot of umpires will give the hitter that's upset a chance (or more) to walk away, but Narvaez kept at him, though he absolutely has a point. That pitch was about 2 1/2 inches of the plate
The leash is usually proportional to how wrong the umpire is. That one wasn't even in the "expand your strike zone with 2 strikes" range for the hitter. That's a spot where a base coach should run in to protect the player.
Agreed. Both got much longer leashes than I thought they would.
Anybody can say what they want, but in both instances, the leashes given were long and fairly generous. You were given chance to stop arguing and couldn't.
I personally don't think Counsell gave a damn after the horrible strike three call.
Obviously no bias in this take at all, but these umpires were HORRID for this series so far. Arenado got the bat taken out of his hands twice and the strike zone is now a suggestion for these umpires!
Diversity hires man
Brewers fan- 100% agree. These umps have just been god awful. Not even any bias for them either they’re just geniunely horrible
Arenado may have cost the Cardinals that game by continuing to argue when coming on for defense.
@@danielplotkin1586 yeah his spot came up in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line
The strike zone was terrible on both sides of this series. Umpires have been horrid all around
I'm an umpire. I love how you educate fans about the rules. But in this video and more and more many others you are an apologist for umpires. Why mention they are a combined 0-8 at the end -- to suggest they were arguing only because they were frustrated to be losing? Why do you complain about the camera angle -- to suggest he maybe did go around? What do you expect the guy to do, top of the 9th, down by one, get's called out on a pitch "not even close"? Your videos are great analysis, but you are winning the battle but losing the war (including to Jomboy): more and more fans hate us umpires, think there is no accountability (except losing the playoff games), think we don't know what we are doing, and want us replaced with machines.
I don’t think it is ridiculous to suggest that there is no accountability for umpires. Can anyone seriously say that losing playoff games is an equal punishment to what a player would experience if he was equally bad at his job? One gets fired, the other misses a few games and has his job back next year.
Umpires have less on the line with the call made. I mean, look at Angel Hernandez. He'd be selling insurance if he was playing and as bad instead of umpiring. Yet, he's still umpiring at the highest level.
I do not want to see robo umps, but I would like to have some calls be verifiable, especially ones that can clearly be seen by replay. I'd also like more calls to have a chance to be over turned by the crew. No system will be perfect, but this one can definitely be improved. I mean, there's what, 6 umpires on the field and we seem to be getting worse?
The problem with this channel is that there's very little personality behind it. I subbed for the umpire training videos that highlight what umps were doing right. I'm finding the majority of the videos are arguments with broadcasters and excusing poor umpiring.
@@rockboulder1861 not even close. Players get dfa’d and sent down all the time. It’s so quick it’ll make your head spin.
Arenado went around. It’s a judgment call, so no amount of camera angles is going to make the call “wrong” objectively. Arenado has been playing long enough to know that his wrists breaking (what it looked like he was complaining about when he got tossed) has absolutely nothing to do with it. When you make a half swing, even if you attempt to pull back, you are risking a strike. And he got an extremely long leash to argue a call that wasn’t even wrong.
I think Arenado did go on his check swing the call to Narvaez was a terrible call though
This crew has had a great season in my opinion. Let’s chalk it up to a tough game, maybe week.
@@FoxtasticGaming that's not true. so nobody can have a bad day if you have a job? that's ludicrous!
check swing is the toughest call to make. totally subjective call based on how good of a look the umpire has. players complain the HP umpire won't ask for help and when he does the same player complains about the person who helped. HYPOCRITES!
if i was the umpire i might have called it the same or not. tough to say.
@@FoxtasticGaming not sure how that rule can be changed unless some sort of technology is invented that can prove the bat crossed a certain threshold.
or maybe a new rule should be all check swings are automatic strikes? i'm ok with that but you know the players will complain about a rule like that.
@@FoxtasticGaming do you watch baseball? A team can have a tough month and win the WS. What a dummy lol
@@FoxtasticGaming so players that slump for a week should be released?
@@FoxtasticGaming oh i am sure you fucking perfect at work where you never ever made any fucking errors mistakes Adam how about you tell us where you work so when you do make you fucking fired
I watched this live. Arenado didn’t even go over the plate on the check swing, and that strike 3 call to Narvaez was absolutely brutal
You don’t have to “go around” that’s not in the rule
@@jackjon7763 agreed.........if it hit his bat it wouldve been a double
The homer comments excusing Arenado were hilarious.....I am shocked he lasted as long as he did, as Porter is usually pretty quick with the trigger finger? Was Arenado frustrated....sure.....but holy cow, was he asking to be ejected there....and for the broadcasters to say he did nothing to warrant that ejection is Hawk Harrelson-level embarrassing!
Coming from a Cardinals fan, the ejection was obviously warranted.. Porter let him say his piece on the way to the dugout but when he came out and kept going between innings, thats an easy ejection.
They also said it wasn't even close to a swing, which is also wrong. It was definitely close.
@@mattdeaver6850 Agreed....and in fairness to the base line umps, they get one, full speed look at it....homer broadcasters never mention that part
Its AREnado. Not “Airanado” god that mispronunciation irks me
Lol even the Rockies play by play guys all got it wrong for like 2 years until Nolan finally corrected them 😂
This crew was bad this pass weekend and it continues. Fire them all
The MLB do grade them and will promote, demote or fire accordingly to their findings, usually at the end of the season.
It's not looking good for this crew.
The home-plate umpire for that game was (#18/Ramon DeJesus), who is the first MLB umpire from the Dominican Republic.
He should go back. He sucks.
Right or wrong on the ump's part, YOU CANNOT ARGUE BALLS AND STRIKES. PERIOD.
Again another case where the home plate umpire blows a call and has a quick hook…. That pitch was in the other batters box…. Instead of making excuses and trying to make the umpire look right everytime why don’t you admit he blew the call and it was a bad ejection just once….
Bad call, the ejection was right. He gave Naravrrez plenty of time and space to be super and then walk away.
I want some accountability with these umps. It’s been awful lately. Nolan never gets mad. No defence over this crap.
It's funny... only the guys who "never get mad" are the ones I see screaming, yelling and getting ejected in these videos. Guess I gotta watch more out of market games...
@@VisibilityFoggy that's Nolan's 5th career ejection. He competes and clearly gets upset when he thinks he's not being given a fair shot.
It's not like he's out here getting ejected a few times a year.
Umpires are way out of hand touching people.
Bad call, good ejection.
Terrible ejection
Terrible call and ejection.
All three were obvious ejections. Calls on Arenado are borderline, but the strike calls were horrendous.
Terrible ejection
2:11 ramon’s face 😂😂
I can't wait for the time players strike until umpires are held accountable. Until umpires give interviews and fines are broadcasted like the players are. Umpires get away with too much.
Again, more dumbassery. We’ll roll out the fines for kicked routine plays, boneheaded baserunning, etc. Just STFU…seriously.
@@bradt7451 oh come on. if Umpires were held to the same standards as players, Angel Hernandez would be 10 years removed from the league.
Fine you too for every mistake you make on your job. Hey let's just fine everyone for mistakes. These guys got there bc they are the best at what they do. Go buy some equipment and give it a shot. Go do some mens league games and let me know how that goes for you.
@@jonathanlamattina7974 after years of being consistently awful, some of these guys aren't the best anymore.
I do have the equipment and I've been out there trying to make a good impression of what umpires should be in my city.
@@bradt7451
Haha the keyboard tuff guy. You're a bad joke.
Good Christmas! Zone is the size of friggin China. Awful
Perhaps they are a combined 0 for 8 thanks to the home plate umpire. Throw the guy out because he's drawing attention to the fact he's doing a traah job calling strkes.
U clearly hate the cardinals lol. Dead channel
You can't frame the batter's game stats as a segue into possibly justifying their frustration (and subsequent ejections) when obvious balls are called strikes
robots when
More embarrassing umpiring. That strike zone was a joke. They are ruining the game. We have to get the automated umps in here as soon as possible.
🤣🤣🤣…and watch all you fanboys bitch about that too.
@@bradt7451 It'll never be enough for these crybabies. You'll have the same complaining over what the strike zone should be by all the fan boys. It's been nothing new.
Idk man that seemed like a decent camera angle to me. Pretty clear he didn’t go. Screwing it up again and sucking up to the umps
He went in depth on the camera angle aspect in another check swing video, depending on the angle it looks like the batter goes around more or less. There was one check swing where each team's announcing crew used the angle that benefited their team the most. On one team's broadcast that batter obviously went and in the other it looked like he held up. I don't know if that would be the case here but it's still not the best angle.
Umpires should not have the right to throw out people unless it’s seriously egregious. No one pays to see them do literally anything other than call the game
Lots of ejections tonight
You're focusing on the ejection instead of the awful umpiring. No wonder why the umpiring has been terrible this year.
because there's zero accountability!
Hey what's going on with the cards? They suck.
MLB UMPS ARE TRASH
It’s stuff like this that makes me resent umpires so much. I understand it’s a thankless job and nobody can be perfect, but when you’re this bad at your job, accountability needs to be taken. Mandatory post game interviews for CC, and fines for egregious calls/ejections. If these rules are in place for everyone else on the field, why not players?
Post-game interviews? With the press? That would be an unmitigated disaster. I'm picturing a bunch of snarky reporters abusing umpires by asking them loaded and demeaning questions because their city's team got a bad call. Overall, there should be more accountability, I agree, but these players need to stop being disrespectful man-children. It's the same attitude people have with police officers who are trying to do their jobs. No respect, no civility. Umpires should not have to take being screamed at for nine innings by a bunch of whiny millionaires.
@UCzCsvti-Qkhpy5Dxr1oRvBg get the fuck over it, these guys literally hold the game in their hands and need to be held accountable! They ejects players because the “disagree” with them and because of that cost players suspensions and fines while they get to go home with no consequence! You are costing players a paycheck when you are bad at your job, and it’s going to get to a point where someone is going to say “enough is enough” start doing more than “arguing!” As a great man once said: “Don’t you ever get in front of a man and his paper!”
@@VisibilityFoggy I’m a cop and trust me, this is nothing like it, so don’t use that. Umpires are Prima Donna’s who think they’re more important than the players. There needs to be accountability if they make bad calls. If Manfred wants to change (ruin) the game so bad, then he needs to start with them.
@@VisibilityFoggy good. Put the umps thru the same shit the players go through
@@richardvinyard1895 you just described cops tho
Been watching your videos for a few months now. You are a total umpire apologist. You are obviously not a fan of the players or managers. When a player or manager (or even an announcer) is wrong, you go to your little highlighted rule book and explain in painful detail why they are wrong. When an umpire screws up (which you rarely show, by the way), your explanation is never "that umpire is having a really bad night and totally blew that call" but rather something weak like "well if they would just use the tech we recommend they would get the call right." Yes, players and managers are often wrong about calls and argue when they shouldn't. But umpires are wrong just as often, yet you never seem to have time to post those videos and present a fair criticism of the umpires. And then in this game when De Jesus has a really inconsistent night behind the plate, you throw in some totally unnecessary smartass comment like "Arenado and Narvaez were a combined 0-8 on the night" as if to say their frustration with this crew was entirely because they had a bad night at the plate. Now moving on to another channel with a more complete analysis of controversial calls and ejections.......not just those in which the umpires are always the good guys and the players & managers are always the bad guys.
Deep breaths my man 🤣
Occasionally the player earns their walk of shame, occasionally the ump triggers a problem. Ump, what did you see because I didn't see what happened there at all.
Here's a guy who clearly didn't bother watching the video in which Gil said "not even close".
I think he knew that strike call was a "Fuck You" as well. Narvaez did enough to get ejected in seconds, but it took a bit longer because De Jesus knew he'd flipped him off with that Strike 3 call.
(And if you want evidence, people, as to how umpires can rig games, justify THAT Strike 3 otherwise...)
Pretty simple- people make mistakes. I've seen worse calls at less impactful moments of games, it's hard for me to believe that all of those random bad calls in the middle of games involved rigged games too.
umpires were bad all game
Your challenge system is ridiculous. The game is too slow as it is. We can’t start having managers challenging individual pitches, of which there are a few hundred in each game. Get the computer to be as close to good as possible. Even if it’s a b+, players will be able to adjust to its shortcomings, which will be CONSISTENT game to game. Right now, batters have to adjust to the individual quirks of several dozen umps.
B+ isn't good enough to beat the current umpire average (per umpire Scorecards).
doesn't Umpire Scorecards use pitch tracking technology to rate their umpires? So you're saying that human umpires are better than the technology being used to grade them?
@@danielplotkin1586 I was being generous. You and I both know the computers scores above an 85-89, which is a B+. It was an olive branch to all you guys who support the umpire’s union on this channel.
De Jesus needs to go umpire Low A games. He’s absolutely horrible (from a Brewers fan, but both teams got absolutely screwed, all night.
His name is Jesus.... he'll just be brought back.....
This crew had a bad day. Brutal all game
The umpiring gets worse game after game. Year after year.
Rough night. Analysis is good. I saw an comment saying CCS is winning the battle, but you're losing the war including to Jomboy. But I don't like the idea of replacing umpires with robots. Umpires are human.
One reason I think channels like Jomboy are "winning the war" is comparatively few people care about the "why behind the what" of these calls, they just like to stick at the "that was absolutely horrible!" and "the Jomboy video justifies my anger" level and leave it at that (and Jomboy's approach is to feed that 'the umps suck' mentality)
I've commented on numerous Jomboy videos with links to the CCS video of the same play to no avail. Jomboy has even admitted in some videos he doesn't know the rule but then bashes the call that was 100% textbook accurate. [like a dribbler down the 3B line that is rolling back fair, swiped away by pitcher, but called fair because half the ball was over the line...Jomboy saying "was any of the ball touching the line? waaay too hard to see" when the rule is "on or over the line"]
I saw a different video of this ejection from MLB's website that showed both check swings from the side angle and on the second one Jim Edmonds saying "oh my gosh that's worse than the first one!" and the funny thing is in the second check swing Nolan goes even further around, so yes "worse [hold up] than the first one."
@@jimpagano2343 Jomboy doesn't care all that much about the letter of the law, rule nuance stuff. He's more about breaking down the altercations themselves, including reading body language and lips. I don't really see the two channels as direct competitors
@@mattdeaver6850 They are direct competitors in terms of understanding the rules which most of the fans don't.
I've got no problem with the check swing call. The angle they're using from behind the pitchers arm makes that call look bad.
He didn't swing or even come close to it. Even from that angle it's easy to tell.
@@sethsay354 you don’t know what the criteria is for a check swing so you say stupid shit like “it’s not even close”.
I'm holding judgement until I at least see a dugout camera view. I'd like to see the one from the first inning too.
Arenadob had his say on his way back to the dugout following the call, when he came out at the half inning and kept griping, he had to go!
Why?? He has every right to be upset. Can't be sensitive if you are gonna blow a call
@@tysonh424 Tyson I'm not here to argue with you but he is arguing balls and strikes. He was given his say when the original call occured. He came back out and continued to argue. He simply didn't stop and Porter tossed him. The RULE states you can't argue balls and strikes. I understand you think it is a bad call ( judgement) and that is fair but at some point he needs to stop. In this case he didn't and Porter got him.
Another clown. Nothing new to see here
Wow. An unbiased breakdown for once. Good job
oh please shut it Gil has also been decent and will always be fair
Ramon is just not a good home plate ump plain and simple.
Not why he's there 😅
And what experience do you have as an umpire?
He flung his bat out and decided after the ball was gone to pretend like he wasn't trying to hit it. And getting tossed during an inning break for continuing to cry about it is pathetic behavior.
We’ll… robo ump would have saved that second ejection from happening. Not sure if there is a way to get umps off 1st and 3rd though…
Obviously the strike call when it was a ball was bad. Arenados check swing though, if that's not a strike at the pitch idk what is. He flung his bat out there to stay alive on a 3-2 count and never even tried to pull back.
That's a terrible call on Narvaez.
3 strikes ur out, that guy at the end great umpire
? Terrible umpires you probably support umpires
Might be the worst officiating I've seen in baseball this year, and the players are the ones who get punished. Wild to me.
yea lets see you go call game before you talk about the worst officiating game ever
@@critter2 Go be a stooge somewhere else, players and coaches on both sides were yelling at the umps all game.
Poor wittle Nolan, him didn't get hims way.
Are you a sad rockies fan?
@@MrAwsomeman7 Nope, just don't like privileged superstar wanna be
@@elmerfudd7674 what about him makes him privileged? he most definitely is a superstar look at all the gold gloves homeruns and allSTAR appearances
Yadi is the best
Lord help us, both of those calls were just absolutely awful 😂
I personally love this crew
Whaa whaa whaa. Players and managers are such babies.
Should have to be an upstairs call to eject a player, umps influence game too much on bad ejections
Maybe, but these were not quick ejections. Both players had unbelievably long leashes.
How can someone “upstairs” (which really means New York) know what’s being said on the field?