Comrades! This video represents the first attempt at an "enhanced" type of lore video with added UI elements and other features. It's a completely new way of making videos for us, so if you notice any errors or have suggestions, let me know! We're already working on some more improvements, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!
The map showcases of the system and graphics were greatly immersive - I almost felt like an admiral onboard one of those ships, or General Carter in his war room! The recording of the match at the start was impresive as well. But the text, both at the side and bottom of the screen was a little too small, compared to the avalilable space. I would recomend making it a little bigger.
It would be more correct to call the video “Something Happened in the Vega System.” 24 minutes and a word of truth. How dare you play with my feelings?
I love this. Been needing a different dark space lore stuff ever since 40k started to feel repetitive. Watching this on my phone so I can’t read the text on the side of the screen. Love how the story starts. Absolutely brilliant
@@Paerigos this is now canonical. The entity we know in the Orion Arm is known as the 2nd British Empire but Canadians run everything and since the point of divergence is during ww2, we still think of ourselves as basically British and are too polite to make a fuss about it.
I really hope this project gets more attention. As another writer who loves worldbuilding it is very nice to see another writer be able to fully delve into all the small details and stories of their worlds.
Yeah, while to some degree they would probably try to... "connect" to the heritage of the Kriegsmarine and High Seas Fleet, i would assume that they would use terms like "Raummarine" and "Weltraumflotte / Tiefraumflotte" ("Deep Space Fleet").
One thing I loved is that they pointed out that there was both a Kriegsmarine and a Luftewaffe, both of which apparently have fleets of space ships. Which implies that the German Reich is just as administratively disfunctional as it originally was.
Yeah, this is my one gripe with the setting. Things are a little TOO copy paste from our world. Yes, I know Mark talked about the benefits of familiarity but it's to the point that it ends up feeling like there's been little to development in that regard. Having different names for Space Forces rather than just direct transplanting the air force/navy into space would work better IMO.
The VA did an excellent job on the narration, great video overall! The text in the sidebars was a bit small/hard to read, but otherwise was a welcome way to add extra details and context to the scenario
An impressive lore video. I in particular enjoyed the art VFXs and the labeled maps to further detail the events. Some of it does have some similarities to the Stellaris Invicta lore videos, but with a more advance and mobile UI. It seems that the Vega incident had quite the contrasting reports. Which combination holds the most truth I wonder. Overall, a good improvement on the preview.
pretty neat. amusing how you could boil down the two account of what happened to "which side do you think could wipe the floor with the other?" basically lol.
I mean you just know that's what every argument on GalNet turns into. And somewhere in their someone on the SpaceThunder forums posted the full schematic of a Soviet sensor system to win an argument (but then presumably was never heard from again, and a whole lot of people are arguing that it's actually fake).
The most interesting thing to me, is what/who were the ghost contacts that first fired on the Soviets in their account? The Germans came in from a different angle, and doctrinally favor their guns, and are not the long-range missile raiders that seemed to engage the Soviets, so who fired those missiles?
The intro was really great ! The dichotomy of sport commentary sound and warship exploding on screen really helped to set the mood for a confused battle of intelligences in the fog of war of electronic warfare and false flag (?) fleet action.
Great writing on this one, loved the fact that the facts themselves were shrouded in mystery as to what exactly took place. Like the new 'enhanced' look as well, good addition. Also love hockey, so that is an added bonus 😅
This is genuinely some of the most incredible worldbuilding I've yet seen. The nuance is perfect, the intrigue rich and flavorful. This and the previous short are masterclasses in short form storytelling
Absolutely love this. Perfect as an audio book-type listen while I go for a walk. My only. Iss that the text on screen was too blury and small to read.
About the firecracker rods, explained at 21:21 Uranium is not magnetic by itself, so it would not be possible to "fire" it from a railgun. Also, a lighter material would be better as it would reach higher speeds and thus be easier to hit at longer distances. Something like an aluminum or iron alloy with a proportion of depleted uranium or tungsten could work. I would also question the effect of the thermobaric filler material surrounding the penetrator. It most likely would not have much effect and would simply burn on the armor rather than penetrating it. A more reasonable firecracker or Minengeschoss would be of an iron alloy with a moderate amount of depleted uranium or tungsten, giving it a good mix of magnetic and armor-piercing properties. The penetrator would also be hollow to protect the thermobaric filler material during "firing" and penetration, thus ensuring the best possible performance on target. But that's just my interpretation, feel free to argue over it.
Mark has stated that Dawn of Victory isn’t “Hard” sci-fi. There will be realistic elements, but it won’t be on the same level as the Expanse. This is a well researched comment, but it’s one I doubt will be taken into consideration.
@@Pokemon_Trainer_Black im pretty sure it will, they have stated that its a setting that will tend to not sacrifice the rule of cool for the sake of realism, but in this case the coment just provides a way to keep the same cool factors with more realism. And i feel like Marc is the type to take advantage of that
@@aguspuig6615 i don't really care if they act on my comment. I was just bored and thought that the explanation text didn't make much sense to me, so i wanted to argue on the internet at least once. But it would be nice if Mark or the team behind DoV act on it.
I got no problem modifying our descriptions to make em more accurate, thanks for your insights. We actually brought on a team to help with "sci-fi weapon design" midway through this script. The hope is in the future we'll be able to encourage more feedback for this sort of thing ahead of time, and work it into future lore.
This makes me want to write more for my setting, even if I don't have the youtube channel/social media presence or friend group to get it off the ground and do anything worthwhile with it
My grain of salt: I think soviets have planned actual ambush of a german transport force. However to prevent further escalation a more "modest" operation was communicated via the back channels. As such higher eschelons of german power would give orders not to engage any action outside of area of operations. However an escort of the withdrawing elements was somewhat beefed up to provide them security. The Republican convoy with which soviet fleet was to ressuply was likely present in the area just to provide a convenient excuse of soviet presence. It was likely this convoy which got enaged by Axis freikorps and pleeded for help outside of main group. soviet forces most likely attempted to jump in believing this is their main prey as the engagement was sizable force they were to be ambushing, and while that was happening the main Axis transport group with appropriate escorts have entered area of egagement and situation was likely too hot for them to ignore the egagement. Possibly they have also come to a long range fire from soviets already. With soviets likely when egaging the paramilitaries from relatively safe range - their ships hit some minefields. Alternatively - its unlikely the soviets would engage in massive maneuvers especially if concentrating on long range saturation barage. which could have allowed main axis fleet shoot their railguns well outside of range that could be considered effective in straight engagements. Soviets simply didnt know german main force was there. and with massive redeployment required soviet forces would likely be abhorent. especially with likely ECM chaos. Such situation - while having few flaws of its own - would effectively account for both naratives.
The Champlain Group gets better by each publication. Loved both the writing and art of this one; y'all have really made something special here Templin!
i'd love to see depictions of soldiers and their equipment in future. Great video, i liked that the truth is unknown to both viewers and people in universe
At some point, I'd love to see a tutorial on how to make videos like this. While the artwork is brilliant, I think the formatting and editing of how the information is shown is really what sets this apart from a lot of similar content.
@@DawnofVictory2289 Tried it on my new(er) laptop. Clearer, but I think the font is 1-2 sizes too small, even on full screen, maybe that is where the "fuzziness" came from.
I have had an idea for quite some time. It is a given that the warships would be emitting photons by the truck load as they maneuvered and discharged weapons. Not to mention the electronic warfare would be very noticeable. Now within a year of the battle, you get a ship with good sensers and optics with good resolution and place it several light months to the system’s north above the battle area. From this point, the vessel could record all the photons radiating from the battle. The battel could be recorded almost as it was happening.
The answer to this is yes. Here’s another one: what makes you think it didn’t happen? I think it makes sense that someone did in fact record this battle, likely one or several of the superpowers. However, what do they have to gain from making the information public? It’s clear both the Reich and Soviets knew what happened, suppressed the information and sacked officials to avoid a major conflict. OTO and the Sphere would probably act similarly. Even if they had perfect knowledge of how it went down, there is very little they can gain from releasing that information (for now). Your point is lovely btw. I wish people applied physics to sci fi more often.
I would argue that the text needs to be a bit larger if you want it to be actually readable without having to zoom. Like about 20% larger for the text on the left and about 40% larger for the text at the bottom. I'm also not sure, despite all the possible "connecting to earthly heritage" stuff etc, if the Germans would still call their space forces terms like the "High Seas Fleet". But i gotta say: Great work on this video and i can't wait for more!
I didn't really enjoy the first video, but THIS. THIS is what I signed up for. I hope you do more of these. But I will say, I'd like to see lesser conflicts besides the superpower v superpower match up.
I loved this video, improves upon the first lore vid, and I liked the 'enhanced' type video with the UI elements and the different graphics as the vid advanced. The artwork for it is amazing, and the audio bit for the hockey match was quite good at the beginning. My one bit of constructive feedback would be, if you're going to do text bits of information, then they need to be readable. You flashed them for not too long so I think you could display them to be more visible/readable, and just have it drop off the screen. I'd be interested in reading those pop ups with a quick pause but couldn't do sadly. So maybe in a future vid, the text information could be more clearly displayed. Other than that, loved this lore vid, with the details on the battle and the different strategies of the Soviet and German fleets. Along with the different interpterion's of what happened. A really get lore vid and loved the visuals.
This makes me curious as to how sports work in Dawn of Victory, since it can take weeks to get from point A to B would it be like the teams in a given system would playoff and then clusters and then the finals or what else? I think the seasons would have to be longer to accommodate the increased travel times but I wonder would Stadiums have to have a certain amount of gravity or would they just have it be different for every stadium?
@@EGRJ Great point, It might be that the bets can only be placed if you are in the cluster the game is being held or the the star system. That and bets are closed mid match so that it can reach everyone by the time it’s over. That or pre game bets only.
Well the General in command of OTO was going for briefing in virtually "Real time" if the timeframe is to be believed. Hence there definitely is an instant communication over most of Orion arm avaiable to Government. Marc will hate it as he does everything possible to never acknowledge Battletech consider different tiers of FTL comlink: HPG network - expensive, maybe not even possible on but largest of warships, requiring massive investment per unit of information per time. Only viable to governments and large corporations in any meaningful large scale use. perhaps "receiving" can be easier to have propaganda broadcasts possible with no need of massive hardware. Evey government would see value in that. (its essentialy jumpdrive sending massless information so it doesnt need "jumppoint") K series Transmitter (originaly SLDF only) low amount of information sendable only in limited distance - you either need to link them and it isnt completely "instant" but can only send lets say a page of text in a 10 minute pulse on given bandwith). (that would also significantly limit combat use and it would be interceptable.) lets say it reaches 10 ly and then has to have another receiver and it takes 1 Ly per minute. its use could be VERY detectable so military force might not be that interested in using it unless very "safe". They could simply be jammed by broadcasting static.
Major incident between superpowers, that is suppresed and suspiciously vague? Great piece of worldbuilding! "And that is the sound of 200,000 screaming fans in the Templin Keppe Arena here tonight!" Hehe, good easter egg! 🤣
Being from Germany myself, I am honestly mostly curious about what you guys are going to do with the German Reich... Are you going down a more Wolfenstein-ish path? Maybe even something more Iron Sky? Or something completely new? Looking forward to find out more about this German Reich!
For the fleet action off Vega, I'm curious as to how there would be such little evidence out in the open. Any sufficiently high-powered telescope or observatory should theoretically be able to see a medium or high-intensity battle, as long as they happen to be looking at the Vega system. And since light travels slower than actual info on this universe (sinec there's FTL), you could have people intentionally going to far-away systems and just waiting until they can see the battle. It seems rather hard to cover up any sort of battle in space.
That would have to be a super-duper-hyper-ultra-high-resolution telescope. Our most sophisticated telescopes today still struggle to detect Jupiter-sized planets. And given the regional astrography, any telescope that _was_ powerful enough to witness those events would likely be controlled by their respective states.
This was quite an affecting video...the music choice was very haunting and appropriate. I'd say I was more invested in this video than I was with Firebase Hector, which I only moderately engaged with. I'd say I found the first story more plausible than the second, given the understandable errors made on both sides (a compassionate diversion from a tightly orchestrated plan to aid a friendly ship in distress, and a loosely governed paramilitary group likely trying to take down wounded prey laid low by a mine). The second story, while hinging on a substantial blunder, seems too well orchestrated for a mission gone wrong. Though the second story seems somewhat plausible (and possibly believable on its own), the first story seems more plausible by comparison. There's also a couple typos such as "viel" in the body text descriptions...bit late to change those, but something to watch out for in the future. Though given your production problems (my sympathies, by the way) they might've slipped through in the disruption.
I’ve gotta agree with you on which story feels more plausible, either or could obviously could be true given the murky waters we are stepping into. But for me the first one feels a lot more plausible, the deciding factor is that I don’t care how big your fleet is if you lose 200+ ships in a battle you arnt going to be able to keep that under wraps. But I could very well be wrong.
Agreed, but that account does paint the Soviets in a better light, not only did they try to avoid conflict to begin with, but they won the battle as a result of their doctrine. I wouldn't be surprised if certain details were changed and spread as rumors by the USSR, and the second story pedaled more by the Germans. Either way it's cool we're even asking these questions, it speaks to the depth of the worldbuilding going on here.
Somehow, the least surprising detail about this was not that the USSR was up to their known political infighting between factions, nor that the Germans still had a convoluted military chain of command that practically guarantees mixups, mistakes, and rogue actions, nor because of these details, the Germans and the Soviets nearly kicked off Worlds War 3. I mean, they are surprising, particularly that last one, considering that in our history, it was the US that most often brought us closer to WW3, with Kennedy having come the closest ever with the Cuban Missile Crisis (yeah, really, pretty much every escalation then was because of Kennedy trying to keep his campaign promise of being hard on the Soviets), but then again, this is an alternate history, so perhaps I should not be that surprised. That said, the least surprising detail is that the hockey arena was named after the Templin Institute. I mean, I am not complaining at all, but when I heard it, I thought, "Really? Well, better than a planet or star cluster, I guess."
I was about to provide an explanation and realized I had none. I guess I mean, "summer on Leningrad" or like, maybe there's an Orion-wide calendar? Either way, I'll give this more consideration for next time! - Marc
Even if still using the Gregorian calendar, seasons are dependent on which hemisphere you are living in. Given that the Soviets and Axis powers were all based in Earth's northern hemisphere, I would assume that references to "summer" would be June to September.
Honestly preferred the first lore video, the emotional aspect of a siege, the combined arms, the echo of failed peacemaking missions. But this is still cool! You're doing great work. I'm just worried you're biting off more than you can chew with so much detail on an event that takes place long before there's an actual war.
i noticed on one of your earlier map building or world building videos someone had asked about communication across the stars and how ther would be lag. well i would suggest quantum communication. i worked with a couple people on their capstone paper in college over the technology and it is totally possible even now with quantum processors and servers. it would allow instantaneous communication across the arm or technically...anywhere in the universe because of how quantum particles work. you can also tie anything that doesnt have mass to a quantum particle interaction. ie anything that we already see now on computers. the simple connection or disconection between sister particles is your 1 and 0 for the basis of your computing. its crazy simple and crazy scary because it breaks all known laws of time and space but...having worked and seen the research...it works haha.
That was a great video! Now i really want to see how the batlle looked! Still confused why there are luftwaffe and kriegsmarine space ships, whats the difference?
Bit late but i believe its playing on the real world fact that the German Reich had an extremely convoluted and confusing military and command structure.
How does one even lay effective mines in stellar space, much less interstellar? Last I checked, space is a bit large to create a chokepoint around a particular area, and even then, you can simply move. Precision in space is only necessary at the point of maneuver, as far as I know.
On the other hand, being a passive weapon, mines are one of the few space-borne threats a ship wouldn't immediately detect. They might not have enough time to evade once they realize that floating speck on their scopes isn't just passing them by.
@@d.b.4671 I see that benefit, and raise you that either you have mines that activate at tremendous distances, or so many mines that becomes obvious mines in fact are in an area. Wikipedia notes that the Asteroid Belt contains about 3% of the mass of the Moon, which works out to around 2.2*10^21 kg. The International Chamber of Shipping estimates around 11 billion tons of goods are moved by boat each year, or around 1*10^13 kg. That's a difference of 8 zeroes. The distance between objects in the Asteroid is typically around 1 million kilometers. Suffice to say, in order to saturate an area with enough mines to have passive area denial, you would require a monumental logistical effort, even before considering orbital dynamics. Your thoughts?
Well im a bit late @@Joel-qo6gt But two possibilities Both rely on mines activating from large distances and locking on to ships The first is that FTL jump points between star systems are always locked in the same space and thus ships entering from that direction could be predicted The second is that they are placed near planetary bodies Most likely at Lagrange points if that planetary body happens to have a second orbiting body We see in video that the first scenario occurred near a planet And if we assume ships in this setting use planetary bodies as gravitational sling shots One could predict their movements and lay mines ahead of time Mines activating from long distance could be a reason why in both scenarios only a single mine detonated
The account addressing advanced and unidentified assailants seems to line up with the comprehensive review of warship design by all major powers following the incident. It might have been coincidental, maybe even sparked by that Soviet-German exchange, but it still kinda looks like it lines up with the angle of the unidentified belligerents.
I didn’t even think of that, I was leaning toward the first story being true since it felt at bit more plausible but your right. It makes me suspect that a rogue actor decided to test out their brand shiney new fleet of experimental warships and I didn’t go well for their fascists or the communists. Of course now I sound like conspiracy theorists.
I lile the idea of sci fi geopolitical war across the galaxy, but the thing that tyrn me off, is the use of previous real empires or states like the USSR, it could be more intersting if you could differents form of goverments that have its own form of political organization or they are part of a group of states with its own rules. PD: English is not my mother language, i hope to the one who is reading this, get the idea.
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Comrades! This video represents the first attempt at an "enhanced" type of lore video with added UI elements and other features. It's a completely new way of making videos for us, so if you notice any errors or have suggestions, let me know! We're already working on some more improvements, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!
The text along the bottom of the screen was difficult to read, but otherwise I like the new format a lot!
Love it!
The map showcases of the system and graphics were greatly immersive - I almost felt like an admiral onboard one of those ships, or General Carter in his war room!
The recording of the match at the start was impresive as well.
But the text, both at the side and bottom of the screen was a little too small, compared to the avalilable space. I would recomend making it a little bigger.
It would be more correct to call the video “Something Happened in the Vega System.” 24 minutes and a word of truth. How dare you play with my feelings?
I love this. Been needing a different dark space lore stuff ever since 40k started to feel repetitive. Watching this on my phone so I can’t read the text on the side of the screen. Love how the story starts. Absolutely brilliant
And that was the last time the Wainwright Whalers won a championship game for the next three decades.
the curse of vega!
What happened 3 decades later for them to get another Win💀
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Don’t ask questions you don’t want answers to .>
It shouldnt have gotten to game 6 in the first place, Hanson was clearly faking that stick didnt touch him
I still got family betting on em, smh
Hockey outlived Earth
Canada clearly plays an outsized role in the culture of the Orion Arm. :p
@@1313stjimmy Maybe it took over whole British Empire...
@@Paerigos this is now canonical. The entity we know in the Orion Arm is known as the 2nd British Empire but Canadians run everything and since the point of divergence is during ww2, we still think of ourselves as basically British and are too polite to make a fuss about it.
isn't Marc Minnesotan?
@@Wooper160atThePond as a minnesotan, i hope so
In 2262, it was not enough to be a Vegan, you had to be the right *kind* of Vegan
I really hope this project gets more attention. As another writer who loves worldbuilding it is very nice to see another writer be able to fully delve into all the small details and stories of their worlds.
Tell your friends! 😉
I definitely encourage folks to join the Discord to stay engaged. 😌
Thank you very much!
This is literally peak TH-cam content imo
Yes
I am a bit surprised the Germans didn't rename their aerospace forces the "Raumwaffe" or some such.
Yeah, while to some degree they would probably try to... "connect" to the heritage of the Kriegsmarine and High Seas Fleet, i would assume that they would use terms like "Raummarine" and "Weltraumflotte / Tiefraumflotte" ("Deep Space Fleet").
@@avsbes98Perhaps they were saving those names for after they had their Man in the High Castle outcome.
Just a (likely dumb) thought.
One thing I loved is that they pointed out that there was both a Kriegsmarine and a Luftewaffe, both of which apparently have fleets of space ships. Which implies that the German Reich is just as administratively disfunctional as it originally was.
@@Bluehairedgirl89 It appears that the Luftwaffe Mans the Transport Vessels and the Kriegsmarine Mans warships... Makes sense
Yeah, this is my one gripe with the setting. Things are a little TOO copy paste from our world. Yes, I know Mark talked about the benefits of familiarity but it's to the point that it ends up feeling like there's been little to development in that regard. Having different names for Space Forces rather than just direct transplanting the air force/navy into space would work better IMO.
The VA did an excellent job on the narration, great video overall! The text in the sidebars was a bit small/hard to read, but otherwise was a welcome way to add extra details and context to the scenario
I love interstellar, galactic science fiction settings where the actions of nations limited to part of a single planet can have major repercussions.
I love that we don't really know what happened. Its an excellent touch and makes the world feel that much richer for it. Cant wait to see more.
An impressive lore video. I in particular enjoyed the art VFXs and the labeled maps to further detail the events. Some of it does have some similarities to the Stellaris Invicta lore videos, but with a more advance and mobile UI.
It seems that the Vega incident had quite the contrasting reports. Which combination holds the most truth I wonder.
Overall, a good improvement on the preview.
The most fantasical thing about this is Wainwright having a professional hockey team 😄
pretty neat.
amusing how you could boil down the two account of what happened to "which side do you think could wipe the floor with the other?" basically lol.
I mean you just know that's what every argument on GalNet turns into. And somewhere in their someone on the SpaceThunder forums posted the full schematic of a Soviet sensor system to win an argument (but then presumably was never heard from again, and a whole lot of people are arguing that it's actually fake).
The most interesting thing to me, is what/who were the ghost contacts that first fired on the Soviets in their account? The Germans came in from a different angle, and doctrinally favor their guns, and are not the long-range missile raiders that seemed to engage the Soviets, so who fired those missiles?
21:25, Ah yes, the Argentine moons (Easter egg from the movies Soldier and Blade Runner).
"Awarded a golden rung on Eckhart's Ladder"? I see hockey has some new traditions in the Orion arm.
Ah yes Eckhart's Ladder
I really like some of the additional atmospheric noise that you made was pretty nice
The intro was really great ! The dichotomy of sport commentary sound and warship exploding on screen really helped to set the mood for a confused battle of intelligences in the fog of war of electronic warfare and false flag (?) fleet action.
Great writing on this one, loved the fact that the facts themselves were shrouded in mystery as to what exactly took place. Like the new 'enhanced' look as well, good addition.
Also love hockey, so that is an added bonus 😅
The artwork looks amazing 👏
Now I want ship, fleet and doctrin breakdowns 😂
This is genuinely some of the most incredible worldbuilding I've yet seen. The nuance is perfect, the intrigue rich and flavorful. This and the previous short are masterclasses in short form storytelling
Thank you very much! Very kind of you.
Absolutely love this. Perfect as an audio book-type listen while I go for a walk. My only. Iss that the text on screen was too blury and small to read.
About the firecracker rods, explained at 21:21 Uranium is not magnetic by itself, so it would not be possible to "fire" it from a railgun. Also, a lighter material would be better as it would reach higher speeds and thus be easier to hit at longer distances. Something like an aluminum or iron alloy with a proportion of depleted uranium or tungsten could work. I would also question the effect of the thermobaric filler material surrounding the penetrator. It most likely would not have much effect and would simply burn on the armor rather than penetrating it. A more reasonable firecracker or Minengeschoss would be of an iron alloy with a moderate amount of depleted uranium or tungsten, giving it a good mix of magnetic and armor-piercing properties. The penetrator would also be hollow to protect the thermobaric filler material during "firing" and penetration, thus ensuring the best possible performance on target. But that's just my interpretation, feel free to argue over it.
No idea about all the technical stuff, but I love the term "Minengeschoss" XD
Mark has stated that Dawn of Victory isn’t “Hard” sci-fi. There will be realistic elements, but it won’t be on the same level as the Expanse. This is a well researched comment, but it’s one I doubt will be taken into consideration.
@@Pokemon_Trainer_Black im pretty sure it will, they have stated that its a setting that will tend to not sacrifice the rule of cool for the sake of realism, but in this case the coment just provides a way to keep the same cool factors with more realism. And i feel like Marc is the type to take advantage of that
@@aguspuig6615 i don't really care if they act on my comment. I was just bored and thought that the explanation text didn't make much sense to me, so i wanted to argue on the internet at least once. But it would be nice if Mark or the team behind DoV act on it.
I got no problem modifying our descriptions to make em more accurate, thanks for your insights. We actually brought on a team to help with "sci-fi weapon design" midway through this script. The hope is in the future we'll be able to encourage more feedback for this sort of thing ahead of time, and work it into future lore.
This makes me want to write more for my setting, even if I don't have the youtube channel/social media presence or friend group to get it off the ground and do anything worthwhile with it
go for it!
By 2262 I think the Stanley Cup would be the size of a building and I love that idea.
My grain of salt:
I think soviets have planned actual ambush of a german transport force. However to prevent further escalation a more "modest" operation was communicated via the back channels.
As such higher eschelons of german power would give orders not to engage any action outside of area of operations. However an escort of the withdrawing elements was somewhat beefed up to provide them security.
The Republican convoy with which soviet fleet was to ressuply was likely present in the area just to provide a convenient excuse of soviet presence.
It was likely this convoy which got enaged by Axis freikorps and pleeded for help outside of main group.
soviet forces most likely attempted to jump in believing this is their main prey as the engagement was sizable force they were to be ambushing, and while that was happening the main Axis transport group with appropriate escorts have entered area of egagement and situation was likely too hot for them to ignore the egagement. Possibly they have also come to a long range fire from soviets already.
With soviets likely when egaging the paramilitaries from relatively safe range - their ships hit some minefields. Alternatively - its unlikely the soviets would engage in massive maneuvers especially if concentrating on long range saturation barage.
which could have allowed main axis fleet shoot their railguns well outside of range that could be considered effective in straight engagements. Soviets simply didnt know german main force was there. and with massive redeployment required soviet forces would likely be abhorent. especially with likely ECM chaos.
Such situation - while having few flaws of its own - would effectively account for both naratives.
The Champlain Group gets better by each publication. Loved both the writing and art of this one; y'all have really made something special here Templin!
So excited to keep seeing more lore videos they’re looking awesome
Really liking this project!
Alongside the Sojourn lore videos, this is truly a great time for fans of high-quality sci-fi video production thingies.
Glad I'm not the only one enjoying both alongside each other. Very in depth worldbuilding with a focus on geopolitics (astropolitics?) is the best.
This is so cool! The quality is outstanding and worth the wait. I hope you and the team are proud about what you have made!
i'd love to see depictions of soldiers and their equipment in future. Great video, i liked that the truth is unknown to both viewers and people in universe
Epic video! Perfect use of an engaging story supported with excellent world building to make the story feel more real. Keep it up!
Good to see more videos from this channel. Good quality as always
Now we just need the sphere and the oto to proclaim that they will be sending fleets in the region to help in Vega; freedom of navigation convoys
At some point, I'd love to see a tutorial on how to make videos like this. While the artwork is brilliant, I think the formatting and editing of how the information is shown is really what sets this apart from a lot of similar content.
The depth of world building here, is such that I can only aspire to it.
Not sure why but the 58th five year plan made me laugh.
Outstanding video! Amazing attention to detail; I can see the inspiration from real history.
The pop-ups seemed a bit fuzzy and hard to read, but I am viewing this on my old laptop, not my new one.
Try it on a new(er) one and let me know!
@@DawnofVictory2289 Tried it on my new(er) laptop. Clearer, but I think the font is 1-2 sizes too small, even on full screen, maybe that is where the "fuzziness" came from.
oh, and the narrator is excellent ! Love the tone and speed.
This is amazingly well written
Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into this video! It was amazing and I’m loving this whole project!
Insane intro! I was so confused for a second..
I usually just listen to these type of things but I decided to watch it this time and the immersion was next level.
“General Carter a second missile strike has hit the fleet in the Apollo Cluster.”
8,150 views this is a crime this video deserves 800 Million.
Good stuff, hope to hear more soon!
Came upon this video by random recommendation. I am intrigued by this worldbuilding and shall follow it closeley!
Great video, amazing quality. Great UI added too, though admittedly I do listen more than watch.
No worries, we're looking at releasing this on Podcast services too.
I have had an idea for quite some time. It is a given that the warships would be emitting photons by the truck load as they maneuvered and discharged weapons. Not to mention the electronic warfare would be very noticeable.
Now within a year of the battle, you get a ship with good sensers and optics with good resolution and place it several light months to the system’s north above the battle area. From this point, the vessel could record all the photons radiating from the battle. The battel could be recorded almost as it was happening.
The answer to this is yes. Here’s another one: what makes you think it didn’t happen?
I think it makes sense that someone did in fact record this battle, likely one or several of the superpowers. However, what do they have to gain from making the information public?
It’s clear both the Reich and Soviets knew what happened, suppressed the information and sacked officials to avoid a major conflict.
OTO and the Sphere would probably act similarly. Even if they had perfect knowledge of how it went down, there is very little they can gain from releasing that information (for now).
Your point is lovely btw. I wish people applied physics to sci fi more often.
I would argue that the text needs to be a bit larger if you want it to be actually readable without having to zoom. Like about 20% larger for the text on the left and about 40% larger for the text at the bottom.
I'm also not sure, despite all the possible "connecting to earthly heritage" stuff etc, if the Germans would still call their space forces terms like the "High Seas Fleet".
But i gotta say: Great work on this video and i can't wait for more!
I didn't really enjoy the first video, but THIS. THIS is what I signed up for. I hope you do more of these. But I will say, I'd like to see lesser conflicts besides the superpower v superpower match up.
"58th 5 year plan" sent me lol
They kicked the hell out of eachother, but both felt the battle made themselves look incompetent.
Listening to this was pure bliss.
amazing visuals this is the best video youve made
Top YT content, 100% professional Hard SciFi.
2262 ... The Interstellar Alliance and Centauri Republic went to war
I loved this video, improves upon the first lore vid, and I liked the 'enhanced' type video with the UI elements and the different graphics as the vid advanced. The artwork for it is amazing, and the audio bit for the hockey match was quite good at the beginning. My one bit of constructive feedback would be, if you're going to do text bits of information, then they need to be readable. You flashed them for not too long so I think you could display them to be more visible/readable, and just have it drop off the screen. I'd be interested in reading those pop ups with a quick pause but couldn't do sadly. So maybe in a future vid, the text information could be more clearly displayed.
Other than that, loved this lore vid, with the details on the battle and the different strategies of the Soviet and German fleets. Along with the different interpterion's of what happened. A really get lore vid and loved the visuals.
Such great and compelling story, I wish I had models and rules to wargame out this and other battles in this universe.
Finally some Starship art, please make more, I need more.
This makes me curious as to how sports work in Dawn of Victory,
since it can take weeks to get from point A to B would it be like the teams in a given system would playoff and then clusters and then the finals or what else?
I think the seasons would have to be longer to accommodate the increased travel times but I wonder would Stadiums have to have a certain amount of gravity or would they just have it be different for every stadium?
somehow who knows more about sports than me needs to figure this out, pronto. - Marc
And then there's betting. Do they close bets when the game is supposed to be over? Or just when the news could actually reach a given bookmaker?
@@EGRJ Great point, It might be that the bets can only be placed if you are in the cluster the game is being held or the the star system. That and bets are closed mid match so that it can reach everyone by the time it’s over. That or pre game bets only.
Well the General in command of OTO was going for briefing in virtually "Real time" if the timeframe is to be believed.
Hence there definitely is an instant communication over most of Orion arm avaiable to Government.
Marc will hate it as he does everything possible to never acknowledge Battletech
consider different tiers of FTL comlink:
HPG network - expensive, maybe not even possible on but largest of warships, requiring massive investment per unit of information per time.
Only viable to governments and large corporations in any meaningful large scale use. perhaps "receiving" can be easier to have propaganda broadcasts possible with no need of massive hardware.
Evey government would see value in that.
(its essentialy jumpdrive sending massless information so it doesnt need "jumppoint")
K series Transmitter (originaly SLDF only) low amount of information sendable only in limited distance - you either need to link them and it isnt completely "instant" but can only send lets say a page of text in a 10 minute pulse on given bandwith).
(that would also significantly limit combat use and it would be interceptable.)
lets say it reaches 10 ly and then has to have another receiver and it takes 1 Ly per minute.
its use could be VERY detectable so military force might not be that interested in using it unless very "safe".
They could simply be jammed by broadcasting static.
Where where YOU in 2262?
Horseracing 🐴
Being exposed to a wide variety of musical genres in my mother's womb.
Watching that hockey game
I was at home eating Dorito when phone ring.
Let me consult some actuarial tables... oh yeah, Dead.
Love it, keep 'em coming!
Finally, this is what I've been waiting for
We eating good tonight.
Looks like meat's back on the menu boys
Major incident between superpowers, that is suppresed and suspiciously vague? Great piece of worldbuilding!
"And that is the sound of 200,000 screaming fans in the Templin Keppe Arena here tonight!" Hehe, good easter egg! 🤣
Ah yes, the age of disinformation in space
Being from Germany myself, I am honestly mostly curious about what you guys are going to do with the German Reich...
Are you going down a more Wolfenstein-ish path? Maybe even something more Iron Sky? Or something completely new?
Looking forward to find out more about this German Reich!
For the fleet action off Vega, I'm curious as to how there would be such little evidence out in the open. Any sufficiently high-powered telescope or observatory should theoretically be able to see a medium or high-intensity battle, as long as they happen to be looking at the Vega system. And since light travels slower than actual info on this universe (sinec there's FTL), you could have people intentionally going to far-away systems and just waiting until they can see the battle. It seems rather hard to cover up any sort of battle in space.
That would have to be a super-duper-hyper-ultra-high-resolution telescope. Our most sophisticated telescopes today still struggle to detect Jupiter-sized planets. And given the regional astrography, any telescope that _was_ powerful enough to witness those events would likely be controlled by their respective states.
21:24 typo in the sidebar. "Kriegsmairne"
This was quite an affecting video...the music choice was very haunting and appropriate. I'd say I was more invested in this video than I was with Firebase Hector, which I only moderately engaged with.
I'd say I found the first story more plausible than the second, given the understandable errors made on both sides (a compassionate diversion from a tightly orchestrated plan to aid a friendly ship in distress, and a loosely governed paramilitary group likely trying to take down wounded prey laid low by a mine). The second story, while hinging on a substantial blunder, seems too well orchestrated for a mission gone wrong. Though the second story seems somewhat plausible (and possibly believable on its own), the first story seems more plausible by comparison.
There's also a couple typos such as "viel" in the body text descriptions...bit late to change those, but something to watch out for in the future. Though given your production problems (my sympathies, by the way) they might've slipped through in the disruption.
I’ve gotta agree with you on which story feels more plausible, either or could obviously could be true given the murky waters we are stepping into. But for me the first one feels a lot more plausible, the deciding factor is that I don’t care how big your fleet is if you lose 200+ ships in a battle you arnt going to be able to keep that under wraps. But I could very well be wrong.
Agreed, but that account does paint the Soviets in a better light, not only did they try to avoid conflict to begin with, but they won the battle as a result of their doctrine. I wouldn't be surprised if certain details were changed and spread as rumors by the USSR, and the second story pedaled more by the Germans.
Either way it's cool we're even asking these questions, it speaks to the depth of the worldbuilding going on here.
Yo this slapped so goddamn hard omg.
This is incredible and amazing!
Somehow, the least surprising detail about this was not that the USSR was up to their known political infighting between factions, nor that the Germans still had a convoluted military chain of command that practically guarantees mixups, mistakes, and rogue actions, nor because of these details, the Germans and the Soviets nearly kicked off Worlds War 3. I mean, they are surprising, particularly that last one, considering that in our history, it was the US that most often brought us closer to WW3, with Kennedy having come the closest ever with the Cuban Missile Crisis (yeah, really, pretty much every escalation then was because of Kennedy trying to keep his campaign promise of being hard on the Soviets), but then again, this is an alternate history, so perhaps I should not be that surprised.
That said, the least surprising detail is that the hockey arena was named after the Templin Institute. I mean, I am not complaining at all, but when I heard it, I thought, "Really? Well, better than a planet or star cluster, I guess."
I've yet to find someone who can outsmart bullet doctrine
Fantastic work! My personal nitpick is mentioning "summer" would probably be an anachronism in discussing interstellar conflict.
I mean they're still using the Gregorian calendar, I'm guessing seasons just means the general time of the year rather than anything climate related.
I was about to provide an explanation and realized I had none. I guess I mean, "summer on Leningrad" or like, maybe there's an Orion-wide calendar? Either way, I'll give this more consideration for next time! - Marc
Even if still using the Gregorian calendar, seasons are dependent on which hemisphere you are living in. Given that the Soviets and Axis powers were all based in Earth's northern hemisphere, I would assume that references to "summer" would be June to September.
Still makes me wonder how the FTL works in this setting. Does it use a form of jump space or quantum teleportation?
I want to know too
Need a Jon Bois 2262 Hockey video
love the art
Honestly preferred the first lore video, the emotional aspect of a siege, the combined arms, the echo of failed peacemaking missions. But this is still cool! You're doing great work. I'm just worried you're biting off more than you can chew with so much detail on an event that takes place long before there's an actual war.
Holy sh*t this still exists?? I was following this on moddb a billion years ago. I checked back in every now and again.aa Cool!
This was awesome!
Wish the website was still up and the mod was ready.
This was fantastic omg
i noticed on one of your earlier map building or world building videos someone had asked about communication across the stars and how ther would be lag. well i would suggest quantum communication. i worked with a couple people on their capstone paper in college over the technology and it is totally possible even now with quantum processors and servers. it would allow instantaneous communication across the arm or technically...anywhere in the universe because of how quantum particles work. you can also tie anything that doesnt have mass to a quantum particle interaction. ie anything that we already see now on computers. the simple connection or disconection between sister particles is your 1 and 0 for the basis of your computing. its crazy simple and crazy scary because it breaks all known laws of time and space but...having worked and seen the research...it works haha.
Hell yeah!
That was a great video! Now i really want to see how the batlle looked!
Still confused why there are luftwaffe and kriegsmarine space ships, whats the difference?
Bit late but i believe its playing on the real world fact that the German Reich had an extremely convoluted and confusing military and command structure.
How does one even lay effective mines in stellar space, much less interstellar? Last I checked, space is a bit large to create a chokepoint around a particular area, and even then, you can simply move. Precision in space is only necessary at the point of maneuver, as far as I know.
On the other hand, being a passive weapon, mines are one of the few space-borne threats a ship wouldn't immediately detect. They might not have enough time to evade once they realize that floating speck on their scopes isn't just passing them by.
@@d.b.4671 I see that benefit, and raise you that either you have mines that activate at tremendous distances, or so many mines that becomes obvious mines in fact are in an area. Wikipedia notes that the Asteroid Belt contains about 3% of the mass of the Moon, which works out to around 2.2*10^21 kg. The International Chamber of Shipping estimates around 11 billion tons of goods are moved by boat each year, or around 1*10^13 kg. That's a difference of 8 zeroes. The distance between objects in the Asteroid is typically around 1 million kilometers. Suffice to say, in order to saturate an area with enough mines to have passive area denial, you would require a monumental logistical effort, even before considering orbital dynamics. Your thoughts?
Well im a bit late @@Joel-qo6gt
But two possibilities
Both rely on mines activating from large distances and locking on to ships
The first is that FTL jump points between star systems are always locked in the same space and thus ships entering from that direction could be predicted
The second is that they are placed near planetary bodies
Most likely at Lagrange points if that planetary body happens to have a second orbiting body
We see in video that the first scenario occurred near a planet
And if we assume ships in this setting use planetary bodies as gravitational sling shots
One could predict their movements and lay mines ahead of time
Mines activating from long distance could be a reason why in both scenarios only a single mine detonated
The account addressing advanced and unidentified assailants seems to line up with the comprehensive review of warship design by all major powers following the incident. It might have been coincidental, maybe even sparked by that Soviet-German exchange, but it still kinda looks like it lines up with the angle of the unidentified belligerents.
I didn’t even think of that, I was leaning toward the first story being true since it felt at bit more plausible but your right. It makes me suspect that a rogue actor decided to test out their brand shiney new fleet of experimental warships and I didn’t go well for their fascists or the communists. Of course now I sound like conspiracy theorists.
I lile the idea of sci fi geopolitical war across the galaxy, but the thing that tyrn me off, is the use of previous real empires or states like the USSR, it could be more intersting if you could differents form of goverments that have its own form of political organization or they are part of a group of states with its own rules.
PD: English is not my mother language, i hope to the one who is reading this, get the idea.
So aliens attacked both fleets and this almost caused a war that would have weakened humanity.
“Antares Gap” I see what you did there
Awesome 😎
This is awesome.
Very nice!
Damn that was sick as hell
where do i find the music for this?
0:56. Shouldn't the acronym be OAHL?
What is the background music used? I’m dying to know, it’s fantastic