Kobold Press Announces Project Black Flag - Take That, OGL 1.1!
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- Quick announcement! Kobold Press announces that the products that are currently in production will be compatible with Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition (D&D 5E), but that they're working on an open RPG system of their own: Project Black Flag. You can see the announcement and sign up for the playtest here: koboldpress.co...
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My growing list of non-D&D games that folks have recommended (along with notes on how open their license are): docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dPGQOQa4B00nqhhG1iwYDaG_KOKd8mjVRXMVqiurbFs/edit#gid=0
The fact they are calling the system Black Flag is the cherry on the cake.
No quarter to be given, apparently!
@@CopperDragonGames a di
Arrrgh!
Yo ho, tis a pirate's life for me!
Probably not the final name, but yeah, cherry on top
Imagine you're the super-friendly kid with the biggest garden on the street. You have a jungle gym with a cool big slide, you have skipping ropes, soccer goals, a paddling pool, your parents provide sweets and sandwiches and ALL your pals are welcome to come round and play. Its a great time! They even want to bring their own fun toys with them so there's plenty to go around. Your parents never ask for a thing in return, because they know they've got it good here, and are happy to share. This is OGL 1.0.
...But then your folks split up and your new CEO step-dad moves in. That Jungle Gym is starting to rust and he is too cheap to replace it. That football is punctured and he doesn't care. Birds are pooping in the pool and he won't clean it. Now he's telling your friends they need to pay for the sweets and sandwiches. Oh, and he's somehow now claiming ownership of the toys your friends brought over! Some of your friends can afford the candy, but the fact is, suddenly, your garden isn't fun to play in anymore and all the kids want to go elsewhere. You're stuck alone with no friends in a garden full of weeds and run-down toys, all because some guy was too cheap to share. Your name is WOTC, and this is OGL 1.1
Although, hasbro has owed WotC for decades now, so maybe a better explanation would be your dad started drinking and gambling, causing him to not tend to the playground, and he makes kids pay for his drinking money.
This is oddly specific.
Who hurt you comrade? 😓
Dam that gold.
@@steamedtoast64 Hobbiting... go watch Bob World Builder for context. :D
Best analogy I've read so far
man I love the way all the community is uniting to the slay the dragon that is wotc
Indeed! Amazing how well they've united the RPG community! 🏴🏴🏴
It’s very thematic
Burned the homes of millions of villagers to rake in every scrap of gold for their hoard. Yep, Hasbro is the dragon.
It’s probably more Hasbro’s fault but yeah
What would we replace that dragon with...
WotC sure was finally able to bring the various gaming factions together against them!
Who would've thought they'd be so good at bringing people together? 🏴🏴🏴
no they have divided them as everyone is now releasing their own system
@@AngriArtists All manner of systems were already out. This is nothing new.
sorry but I see new systems as a benefit not a negative.
Not together yet. Just all hit over the head by the same stick. We'll see how together they are once things start being done.
Kobold has announced they're doing something. Let's see what that looks like, and what the principles of the staff at Kobold Press look like
Personally I want to see an Open TTRPG Alliance formed. Basically a non-profit organization staffed by various publishers, creators, and DMs from the TTRPG community tasked with creating a core set of rules and content that everyone in the TTRPG community could build upon. The core rules and content would be released under an open license like the Creative Commons BY license (the one that allows for commercial use). This would prevent the current situation from ever happening again as no one publisher would control the system.
I too would like to see this but it would take several of the bigger publishers along with smaller ones to come together and hammer this out. The logistics is the biggest issue as I see it.
While I agree with you that is an impossible task. My group of 8 cannot even agree on a best system. We all like different aspects of different systems and rotate what we play so everyone enjoys the system we play.
That sounds like a good idea. Something like the fsf or the linux foundation but for rpgs.
That which belongs to everyone is owned by no one. Thus maintenance and protection is always someone else's problem. And a non profit organization still has to pay at least a few people. It's a pretty idea, but one that does not touch reality.
A better licence would be CC-BY-SA, aka "say who made it first and you can modify it but the same licence bits apply", which is how the OGL works
Mateys, it ain't piracy given we ain't be stealing nothin'! We be privateers, and the Wizards that be on the Coast be our targets!
No quarter! 🏴🏴🏴
Arrr! I read ye comment...LIKE A PIRATE WOULD!!
ARR ARR ARR!!!
@@luthersmithers6052 PRIVATEER YE SCALLAWAG! WE HAVE STANDARDS!
@@harleymitchelly5542 Arr! Ye be right. Too much time hanging around these land lubbers.
Kobold Press publishes some of the best 3rd party content in the world. Their Heroes of Midgard book is pure inspiration. I cannot wait to see what they come up with.
Tome of foes 1, 2, and 3 gets used a lot at my table
Troll Lord Games will be taking steps to remove any SRD content from their Castles and Crusades rules and personally I think it is a very good ruleset to use; a Rosetta Stone of AD&D, 2e, 3, 3.5 and even 5e. Everyone should take a look at it, they even have the Players Handbook as a free download on their web store.
My next video will be looking at D&D alternatives with creator-friendly licenses. Castles & Crusades will definitely be in the mix! Glad to hear they're going OGL-free for their next steps.
It's still a d20 system.
They say it's backwards compatible to AD&D but it's not.
I'd be more excited if the announced they were making rules agnostic content. Everything I find interesting about Midguard, would be just as interesting in DCC, PF2, OSE, or any other rule set.
Devil's advocate here... can't you just ignore the mechanics and use their fluff with any system you like anyway? I mean, I did that for years with Rifts before they finally allowed Savage Worlds to apply a more modern set of rules to their setting.
@@CopperDragonGames I mean you can, and I do... but that still means they are putting effort into different mechanics that I'm just going to ignore. I'd rather see the energy go into creating new adventures, and just leave stat'ing the monsters for me to do once I have decided which rule set I want to use. To be fair, maybe the vast majority of paying DMs want the monsters stat'ed, but not me.
@@CopperDragonGames well...say a company prints a rules-agnostic adventure module - everything you need to play for any system, except for any references to stat blocks, or anything that could only be a reference to any particular ruleset - maps of the setting, usably detailed descriptions of all the main NPCs and monsters, encounter maps, notes on tone, etc., and charged players for this module. They then release the stat blocks separately and designate them as freely available unlicensed homebrew for anybody to take and use. Problem solved?
I think they actually tweeted that they are making them rules agnostic.
Next video that's in the works: An overview of the licenses of the systems people have suggested I switch to instead of D&D. Some of them are NICE, while some aren't much better than publishing on dmsguild. In the meantime, how do you feel about Project Black Flag? 🏴🏴🏴
UBISOFT ALREADY HAS A GAME CALLED BLACK FLAG
YOU MIGHT WANT TO ALTER THIS BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE UBISOFT ARE WORSE THEN WOTC
USING TWITTER TAGS? REALLY ARE YOU AN ELON MUSK FAN?
What can Kobold do that Paizo isn't already doing?
@@carlflaherty2215
i sympathize with all of you but i left dnd back in 3.5 and i saw this coming
the only lawsuit that should happen is to force them to keep the original OGL on all previous material before 5th edition
and i bet you can win this...not with 5th and beyond however.
all other aspects are moot and would get you a loss in court.
Kobold Press: Hoist The Colours!
WOTC: It's just good business.
While you said don't bother with upvoting or commenting. I've never run across your channel before, but the algorithm brought you to me, as well as the Kobold Press news. So you got an upvote and comment to feed the YT beast, so this gets spread around more.
I'd rather have creators work together on a creative commons open system than have everyone create their own system which you can do with or without the OGL anyway. The whole point of OGL is to have a common system in which multiple creators can contribute. Having creators shatter into multiple systems doesn't help with that and doesn't really solve what will be lost with the loss of the OGL, a community developed game.
There are already several other rules systems that people can turn to as an alternative to 5E. FATE, GURPS, and Cypher System just to name a few. I guess that having an in house system for Kobold Press gives them greater control over it though.
It's laughable to think that any of those systems have even close to the amount of reach 5e has. Until the vast majority of the TTRPG community becomes more willing to experiment - as well as for the longevity of their own catalog and projects already in the works - I don't blame them for going with something similar to 5e
Is not FATE 5e based? GURPS reminds me of gaming in 1988... good times.
Good for them! I have to believe that Paizo will either be acquired by WOTC or they will be creating a 3rd edition sooner than later:
WOTC buying up Paizo would be ironic, since Paizo originally spun out of WOTC's serial publications department.
@@nigelhirth2181 I guess they are going with option 2.
As the clanners say in Battletech. Batchall accepted!
I’d love this to matter, but the whole reason publishers like Kobold are successful is that they’re tapping into a unified market. Fragmenting the market isn’t a road to long-term success. We need people to be able to publish D&D-compatible material without sanction by WotC.
thats not kobold press's fault. thats squarely on WotC. if they and their hasbro overlords hadnt tried to quite literally STEAL peoples content and incomes among many other problematic things with the leaked "open" game license, we wouldnt be happening in the first place. ive no doubt in my mind that all the content creators currently leaving or turning on WotC would have much preferred to continue on course. but then hasbro came in and demanded a sudden hard to starboard throwing everyone off the boat in the process.
Farewell 5e time to move on, I refuse to support WOTC/Hasblow anymore with their greedy nature I'm out.
I can’t access the site at all. Must be busy!
As happy as I am from KP making a new game, for DMs like me that only play online and only play with random people, it's still very hard to get a group together to play non D&D games. there are plenty of other table top games we COULD play but DND essentially unites random people together. An example is Shadowrun, which is an amazing role playing game, good luck finding someone that wants to play it. Unfortunately because of things like DND Beyond and Roll20 I'm stuck with DND for the foreseeable future
If you're feeling stuck with D&D Beyond and Roll20, it might be a good idea to hop over to the Foundry discord and give that a look... great community, and Shadowrun is supported. foundryvtt.com/packages/shadowrun6-eden
will give that a look
Way to read the room, WOTC. Consider my last penny spent on your products and services.
>mfw no wizard class
>mfw I only play warlock, sorcerer, or bard anyway
😈
I want this from kobold press. But they need a cool name for their game
How about 'Evil Wizards'? or 'Wizards Only Take Cash'?
I wonder when OGL-free Pathfinder 2.5e will launch.
Hopefully sooner rather than later! 🏴🏴🏴
Clicked commented and subscribed. You can't tell me what to do. Except sign up for kobald press.
No idea if Project Black Flag would be something like Creative Commons, but I'd really love it if it were. It's a little hard to implement CC-BY-SA where you tell people "you don't have to -SA everything, just the changes to the part we -SA'd with you." Which is why they'll probably use something else, or have a lawyer help explain how to succinctly do something really cool. Regardless, I love what they're doing, and you've got your like and subscribe. Now, off to sign up.
Personally I want to see an Open TTRPG Alliance formed. Basically a non-profit organization staffed by various publishers, creators, and DMs from the TTRPG community tasked with creating a core set of rules and content that everyone in the TTRPG community could build upon. The core rules and content would be released under an open license like the Creative Commons BY license (the one that allows for commercial use). This would prevent the current situation from ever happening again as no one publisher would control the system.
@@TheDayssincethedoor I'm for that. Probably people will do their own thing, but I'm setting out to literally create a drop in replacement for the 5E SRD in projects and D&D at your table. So far one other human seems interested in working on that and the project got much more ambitious than clean-rooming the SRD in response to Roll of Law's concerns that might not be enough to protect it.
So far everyone just says that's cool, have fun with that… Which probably means I'll spend a year on it because I don't actually own a lot of the reference material I'm gonna need to cite to prove Hasbro didn't invent most of this stuff if nothing else. The fact I have nothing for them to take is they sued me swings both ways.
Holy crap, you came across my feed. Miss you and would really love to get a game in with you if you got room online. Hope you and the family are well.
Hasbro is the TTRPGs how Kellogg's is to sugary breakfast cereal. They just own a brand of that sugary cereal, doesn't stop anyone from making their own cereal and enjoying it and even selling it. You just need to make the brand legally distinct. I just wonder how far you can go legally to make a game like 5e without breaking the rules.
Great analogy and question. The original OGL made it unlikely that this would ever need to be tested in court, but now, who knows?
Have we seen OGL 1.1?
Have WotC posted a full copy of it?
Do you have links to it?
No?
Why are you referring to it?
Thanks for commenting! 🏴🏴🏴
Uhm, how do you come to the conclusion that there is a playlets sign-up yet? It's just an announcement as of yet, with some links to follow the news on their forums or discord.
I am excited, too, but we all should be a little realistic here, they don't just stomp out a complete roleplaying system over night^^
I didn't state that the playtest was already active, but you can register for it. From their announcement: "To receive future announcements and to register to playtest this new core fantasy ruleset, please sign up VIA THIS FORM."
So a great evil comes along and tries to oppress the countryside, and we need a band of heroes to defend us... It's as if Wizards of the Coast forgot that D&D players literally band together and spend literally hours at a time to use their imaginations to work through issues.
Love this! 🏴🏴🏴
God bless Kobold Press. Always loved their stuff. I have loads of it.
So it's going to be called Black Flag cause it's just 5E without the copyrighted stuff xD
Fingers crossed... 🏴🏴🏴
im wondering what kind of resolution system they plan to use. Imho, anything other than a d20 die resolution will be a hard sell to the general public. While WoTC cant copyright d20 resolution mechanics, I can imagine them trying to derail anything that might involve a direct d20 vs DC resolution roll.
d20+modifier vs. target number is my favorite resolution system (despite lots of game theory that says there are better systems). I don't know if they'll be able to push it, but I think it's possible. I wonder if WotC will start trying to trademark terms like "Difficulty Class?"
@@CopperDragonGames D10 or D100 systems offer more flexibility are are for the most part directly translatable.
@@rashakor 3d6+mod leads to a much more even, less swingy experience, but then you can do special stuff for doubles and triples.
I like the Fantasy AGE system so far.
@@CopperDragonGames I like bell curves, but I can see the attraction of linear probabilities, especially with the familiarity of the D20.
I’m working on something in which the central mechanic is opposed D6’s. Either way, there is legal precedent saying that you can’t trademark or copyright game mechanics.
@@almisami Bell curve systems are absolute junk particularly on low dice numbers as any bonus/malus lead to enormous probabilistic swing (Eg Games Workshop D6 system).
"Don't bother liking and commenting..."
You're not my supervisor!
Ha! Point taken, and many thanks!
Hopefully, due to all the bad press that they're getting WotC/Hasbro will alter the OGL.
I hope so too... I think it's the only good move they have left.
makes me curius what black flag is like is it a new fantasy system , is it pirates system is it just like a offbranch like pathfinder was that will evolve into a new thing
Personally, I'm hoping it's an offbranch with some measure of compatibility with 5E. I ran a Pathfinder game that allowed all 3.5 materials for a year or so, and it was a ton of fun. I'd love to do the same with a 5E offshoot and all the Kobold Press supplements.
Don’t like comment and subscribe? Don’t tell me what to do. I’m gonna do it anyways!
I respect and appreciate your stubbornness, Jed! 🏴🏴🏴
I'm taking Project Black Flag to *also* mean that Kobold Press are giving the OGL 1.1 the middle finger, and won't be publishing any future content for 5e?
Huge blow for D&D if so. Imagine if outside of the context of the OGL furore, arguably THE biggest 3rd-party publisher announced "we're having nothing more to do with D&D anymore". What kind of message does that say about D&D's value? Especially now?
Good on them
Absolutely! 🏴🏴🏴
Sometimes all a man can do is hoist the Black Flag.....
I hope this is the route every third party producer takes. None should bend the knee to WOTC.
Agreed! And we're seeing more take similar stances! 🏴🏴🏴
So it's not just me having trouble getting pages to load from the Kobold Press site . . . .
Nope... we were HYPED about this announcement! 🏴🏴🏴
Thanks for sharing just signed up for it
Do you think it will use the Midgard setting as their default world?
It makes sense for them from a business perspective. The IP is theirs and there's plenty of content they can convert rather than starting from scratch, which makes for a less-expensive launch of a new product line.
Troll Lords is basically done with its "D&D" game without WotC I.P. being used. Designed by Gary Gygax. Can't beat that. Castles & Crusades. Kobold should just contact TL Games
🏴☠TH-cam does not appreciate HL Mencken's line that involve spitting on hands. But it has been time for a long time coming. We should have done this with 4e, and we did, then we forgot. So many fell over themselves to play the dumbed down 5e. That it took most gamers this long to remember that WotC is not your friend, it's not your buddy, it's a corporate entity that needs to turn a profit does not shock, just disappoints. This was always a hobby of renegades, of outsiders. We were the underground, the rebels, the guerillas. We started with piracy, and what we couldn't steal, we made. Cast off the jewels and fine robes, discard the canned crap adventures. Lets go back to our roots.
Thanks will check it out
This is juicy. Can't wait for the website to work again lol.
It's been up and down, but I don't want to check - now that I've signed up, I don't want to add to the overabundance of traffic. It's a small thing, but whatever I can do to help...
This isn't going to fix the underlying issue. You can never trust any company with this, not even a company you own yourself. It's always easy to think your idealism is so strong you're going to refuse that corporate check of 10 million dollars - because such a thing is not on the table. But as soon as actual money is involved, you start to think about the good things you can do with that for your spouse, your kids, your parents - things change. And no hard feelings, but that's just the reality of doing business. Nobody is going to outsmart 400 years of corporate law under capitalism.
Sad that companies like Kobold press are whining about not making content for DnD anymore. The fact they waited till now to do something like this shows they never had it in them to begin with. The OSR movement has been going for years, independent RPGs have been already making huge waves and they didn't need to cry about Hasbro rules to do it.
Oh great, one more system I have to learn, why content creators can't create agnostic content.
They can and some do... I just haven't seen an example of it selling well. Fine for a side hustle. Terrible for growing a business in the industry.
or you can use pathfinder 2e... just sayin
Why not both?
@@WolforNuva fair
I still gonna like and comment just to make sure that algorithm see you.
And I am super grateful for it! Many thanks! 🏴🏴🏴
YO-HO!
YO-HO!
We row beneath the black flag
A rollickin' we go!
We bleed the wotc dry!!
Copper Dragon explicitly not asking for likes.... Me: "you know what? I am gonna like it extra hard!"
I’m currently using The Black Hack. Looks like I have to check anything “black” this dark days
I don't need to do what you tell me, I'll comment where and when I want to.
You certainly didn't have to, but I'm glad you did!
1000% backing this shit.
Yar har maties! Let the black flag fly proud! 🏴
I'll comment on and you'll like it. Tough guy
I respect your stubbornness! 🏴🏴🏴
Jokes on you, not only will I Like and Comment, I'm going to subscribe too!
Leaving this comment here for the algorithm.
Many thanks!
I can't be the only one singing Rise Above....or TV Party
Hopefully more will follow
I agree, although I think I'd be happier if some of the other 3rd party publishers rallied around a single system. I think Paizo will go their own way, as I've heard 2E will be easier to revise to an OGL-free edition, but we'll see. 🏴🏴🏴
@@CopperDragonGames Yeah, though if it was OGL, it will help.
I am making mine too.
Here comes Paizo V2.0!
Well done WotC (slow hand clap)
History repeats once again. The question now is will Black Flag be as successful as Pathfinder 1e was?
I imagine it'll have a pretty reasonable following, but only time will tell.
I hope they use a Creative Commons licence
Did you know that one could make 5e compatible3rd party material WITHOUT using ANY WotC I.P. AND one could describe it as game material that can be played in 5e games. Yep, it's true. That's why I don't see what all the fuss is about.
They also can not claim third party material that has already been copy written without the expressed permission of the copy write owner. Copy write infringement is a big no no….. less they forget the fight TSR had with the Tolkien estate that created halflings and Treants.
@@syvajarvi2289 correct
it's not really the win folks assume. KoboldPress is known for finding ways around this (Remember they created modules using "Gearforged" or "androids" due to not being allowed to use Warforged in reference. Second, as long as pen and paper exists, it's not going to be the doom that folks will do
Oh hey kobold you have another customer now
rewording the SRD to not infringe on WotC I.P. is child's play. Games like C&C are good to go by dropping the OGL completely if need be.
Long live the Fighters!
Indeed! 🏴🏴🏴
Hoist the sails, raise the Jolly Roger, because the Kobold Press's Revenge has charted a course for TTRPG Island!
sus but I'll look into it
never was a fan of how afraid Kobold Press was of veering even half a step from the PHB balancing, hopefully they'll be more open to making class options that aren't ribbons when it's their own system
I have and waiting exitedly for news
I'm signed up to play test
I really hope creators band togather on this , and not just have a dozen of similar system to compete with each other, I'm sure paizo will do similar things with pathfinder since pathfinder 2e is abit far from dnd and it's easier to pull away
And there are alot of systems people talk about like shadow of the weird wizard (shadow of the demon lord generic fantasy brother )
Like 13th age
Castles and Crusades
And many MANY more
And who knows maybe mcdm or critical role go ahead and make their own stuff
The point is , everyone would want to replicate what paizo did with dnd4e but with a open license, and I really hope we'll get the same one system that most people adopt because if they still compete with one another with no real one arising as the industry favorite, then they won't really compete with DnD
I really wish if kobold press , mcdm , critical role and more creators just band togather to make "the open system" , I know it's propably hard but I can dream
As Cartman would say, "Screw you guys (WotC), I am going home (Black Flag)".
Can I get a case to stock our store with.
Good on you.
Thanks, Todd!
algorithmic punch!
Thanks!
Welcome!
Bravo Sir thank you
You telling me not to like and subscribe, hit me that you put the game and your community first, which made me like and subscribe XD
Thanks, Adam! I appreciate the kind words and I'm grateful to have you on board! 🏴🏴🏴
The Stark's have raised their banners! The North remembers!
YEEEEESSSSS
Flags up!
Hey, i just joined in on the whole OGL thing and while i understand that its really the absolute worst thing... i dont understand how its affecting me as a player of a small group/ homebrew one-shot gm. Are the changes even affecting me?
I know its selfish to ask, bit can someone clarify the effects the changes will have on small non-profit homebrew groups? Because thus far ive only seen the effects it will have on the ...lets call them profit-groups.
Making a new system is trivial. The main things the OGL gave you was the right to call creatures Beholders and Mindflayers, and having adventures in Forgotten Realms, those are names they own, and you need a license for... Nothing else.
I predict we're going to see a lot of _Witnessers_ and _Brainshredders_ popping up pretty soon.
@@Balsiefen Roaming the Lost Kingdoms..
Making a system is trivial. Making a balanced, fun, and popular system is a lot tougher. As for the OGL... that's really not how it works. Even the OGL 1.1 doesn't give you the right to use those terms.
@@CopperDragonGames Not really, they are literally a dime a dusin. You should see your local game store for different kinds of games. Almost all of them better than DnD
D&Done RIP {OGL1.1} imho
Hasbro/WotC, Great way to make your TV&Movie BOMB before release(!)
I think most players will 'jump ship' to other systems, WotC will be left with ZERO customers ( 😆)
Y'know, this seems oddly familiar... almost like this has happened before... it's on the tip of my tongue, starts with a P...
Hell yes!
You're not the boss of me! I'll like, subscribe and comment if I want! There!
I did it HA!!!
Hang on... Was that reverse psychology?
...well it worked
Hypothesis .. Wizbro's behavior, which has made so many content creators "revolt" .. was entirely what they expected. Because PLAYERS dont care. At a stroke .. they have become the monopoly.
Sadly, many players are indeed prepared to sell their souls, by technicality literally, to OneD&D.
yeah, but players need a GM, and if there are no GMs how are they gonna play?
@@KyrieFortune Thats the key .. what will the GMs do? they do after all spend 90% of the time, money and effort .. and most dream of being a creator themselves one day. Time will tell :)
Like that will matter. If they're making anything for D&D now they'll have to report their earnings. As will content creators and even bloggers and journalists talking about the game. I don't think that will happen for anyone wanting to review figures based on the movie however. Bit of a slip up on their part, but that's what you get when you have your intern write a legal document.
I'm not going to lie as much as I want to love this I just end up hating it as several companies will do this and the dnd community with fracture from it. This isn't some victory for dnd. It just means the splinters are gonna start showing up more.
Before people jump down my throat yes I understand the ogl is horrible. I just mean to say each company trying to make the same but different game just feels like it will fracture the community
I wondered if that would happen (and it probably will in the long run), but at the moment it's uniting people against WotC in a BIG way.
Yeah... site doesn't load for me... Oh well, I'll look at it in a day or so.