The tragedy of Paul is that, at the end of his life, the one person he hated more than even Baron Harkonnen... was himself. The one who unleashed the Fremen and instilled in them the fanaticism and self-righteousness. And the one who was unable to stop it. The one who abandoned his family so that he could be free. Paul truly died in the desert. The Preacher was his ghost to take verbal vengeance on his legacy. That is the tragedy... of Muad'dib.
even if Muad'Dib is blind, surely his cognitive powers heightened by melange are still there? Can't he fight like a blind yet invincible swordsman as in Star Wars Rogue One ?
That is often the fate of men of who create real change. It's unnatural to enlighten people and there's always a price to pay for being the one who enlightens others. Look at the fate of the men who have changed history. In the end we all die alone anyway.
Poor gurney he could not protected his Duke and now he is consumed by grief and rage when paul falls. Such a great story but a real tragic one. And then Leto has to suffer being immortal and watching all his family and friends die. Frank Herbert was amazing.
That..? was only the start of his suffering. Up until his personal records (can't recall what they were called BUT..? it was an Ixian device of some sort...) explaining in detail WHAT he was doing and more importantly why (as well as WHAT he was saving them from!), he knew - his name would be a curse - that he'd be remembered as THE worst Evil, THE Greatest of Tyrants... That all humanity would curse his name for all Eternity... at least until said records were found and actually HEARD. Frank Herbert was MORE than amazing - he was a true visionary...
@@sobreaver Mmm, not true man. Different medium with different allures and language. A Dune song is "Desert Rose" by Sting, but it's not the best book we ever read.
What saddens me is that Gurney has to live on knowing he failed to protect both Leto, the man who saved him from Harkonnen slavery, and Paul, the boy he helped raise and trained.
In the book it was his own priests who stabbed him... His speech caused the crowed to riot and the priests used the confusion of the riot to stab him, not knowing he is muadib
The way that scene keeps going back to Gurney stabbing Paul's murderer has stayed with me since it originally aired on Sci Fi. The pure rage and vengeance...
Gurney is an interesting word. Now you see the meaning - for he is the bearer of the sick that carts them off to caregivers. If you see Herbert's brilliance in this name, then you have touched something. Halleck means "old brains" - if you do not believe me, then look it up.
@@cosmo6705 just read dune messiah and confused by this... it’s clear the events of Leto being born he couldn’t see clearly, and by the end he was totally blind and could not use prescience to see. Is that because this is a new timeline he wasn’t seeing? Instead of gone mad is this Preacher just Paul after he’s finally accepted the Golden Path and thus is only acting to further Letto II’s plans?
@@djmaydraws3862 (I'm Cosmo, this is my normal account) I was never very clear about the "mechanics" of this, but it seemed to me that Paul's prescience developed only to see the "way forward" to the only good outcome for humanity, his "golden path". Straying off that path meant he could not "see" using prescience. Don't know why, perhaps the "path" became entrenched? But the second he stepped off that path - too scared to try it - he could not use prescience any more. And being blinded by the stone-burner was ON that path, and he had the guts to continue along and get blinded, but ultimately couldn't take the final step, and so lost his prescient sense and was truly blind. IMO :)
@@PaulSchober leto 2’s birth was too catastrophic for the timeline and made the entire future change. You can’t have two golden paths so someone has got to go. Paul’s wavering faith made him unsuitable for it all together.
@@djmaydraws3862 No Paul losing his eyes set him on a permanent vision that he could not stray from. Once he left it… He was blind. That and in Dune Messiah Paul explains his prescience is not a very set thing and it has gaps. I would say Paul died when he walked into the Desert as a Fremen. The preacher is just a shell of himself.
And he hasn't "lost" his power...he still has it...this is simply the role he knows he has to play toward the Golden Path...he's the john the baptist to Leto's Jesus.
@@tedhodge4830 I’ve read the scene I think you’re describing. I think it’s ambiguous whether it’s because he saw them or heard them because he then comments on what they said. Still, if he could see, why did he keep commenting on losing his sight at the end of book 2 or need a guide in book 3?
@@djmaydraws3862 In Children of Dune it's described really the exact same way it's described in Messiah. He turns his head and turns his empty sockets directly to the person he was speaking to, as if he could see them. He even picks up details about them and picks out Alia out of a crowd. Ironically, no one knows who he is, but he knows who everyone else is despite being physically blind. He has at the very least a sixth sense, but it's heavily hinted that he was relying on his prescient visions of the future to "see" what was going on in the present as it was actually happening. That's also why he lost his "sight" at the end of Dune Messiah. He did not foresee having twins; he therefore didn't have a vision beforehand about what followed. I figure that's like how he couldn't see Eadric without physically seeing him, since Eadric could see the future as a Guild Navigator, and he cast a veil on the rest of the conspirators. Similarly, Leto II, as a descendent of Paul, probably carried a similar aura that blocked Paul's visions, leaving him with a blindspot.
I don't know why some people did not like this series. While it's true that some things were not depicted as precisely as described in the book, it was almost perfectly compressed and compiled for an engaging television series. The casting was brilliant, the music was amazing, the special effects although not great were still good enough for early 2000s. I wish they had gone on to make God Emperor of Dune.
Sadly, God Emperor was probably beyond the budgetary limits of SyFy. Creating a believable God Emperor with CGI and practical effects would have been astoundingly expensive.
the new movies will take many movies just to cover the same material as the old movie. won't get even as far as this series, much less cover the God Emporer.@@houserhouse
It is shocking to find how many people do not believe they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult. Muad'Dib knew that every experience carries its lesson.
And every experience carries the whole of experiences once had. An untouchable feeling of familiarity that permeates all conversation, only to be realized when the time is right.
This is only my opinion, but I think the person that suffered the most loss in this scene is Gurney. Aside from the anger that he has towards Paul's killer, I think you can also see the anger he has towards himself for failing to protect the boy he swore to give his life for.
I knew I had people out there somewhere! I only read through about 12 comments, but dammed if I didn't feel a sense of home for moment. I've loved this story and advocated for it against the giants of over produced poorly written science fiction. Phony "visionaries" that obviously stole several key elements of the Dune Saga, dumbed it down, added flashy laser swords, and fed it to us on the silver screen. For 22 years ive read and reread the first four books and watched and rewarched the miniseries countless times and each time I feel like I gain new perspective in my own life. My understanding of the story changes as I age but always in interesting and meaningful ways. I'm so happy to know all of you are out there. I hope one day, fate brings our paths close enough to actually meet. Peace my Brothers and Sisters!
Muaddib means a person who teaches _adab_ (manners), so by preaching to his people on how they have swayed from their old ways he's literally a Muaddib
in this case Muad'dib is the kangaroo mouse which hops. muad'dib is wise in the ways of the desert. he hides in the day and comes out at night. we call this one the teacher of children
@@vonn4017 not quite right, in the book Paul Atriedies was know to the members of his "Home" Sietch as "Ussul" the name the Fremen have for the Kangaroo mouse Paul chose this name himself.
@@tonycmac let’s see I’ve always really really appreciated Kynes along with Paul later on in Dune Messiah. Scytale and Bijaz were pretty neat too. Irulan though came off as a little annoying but understandable given her position. But it’s always gotta be Stilgar in my mind though.... LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS! LONG LIVE THE FEDYKIN! SHAI-HULUD!
This series captures and expands on the books in a way that few other film/TV adaptations do. It’s dated now but for a comparatively low budget adaptation it really nails the futility of Paul and the doomed ambition of his son. The first three dune books are a truly great story and this miniseries really captures the deep themes that run through it, which is no mean feat. I’m unbelievably excited to see DV’s adaptation of Dune. I think (and hope) that it’ll be as incredible as it deserves to be.
Joe Cockerline Its too bad folks just see the limitations of the budget. I think of it as theater. Watch 1970’s “I claudius”. The acting and story obliterate the modesty of its production. Problem is that in this age of Transformers, we mistake style for substance.
"The Golden Path. The path Muad'dib could not take..." You can feel the regret in those words. Paul had come to hate himself, for his weakness and cowardice in the face of the sacrifice he would have had to make, for the destiny that he foisted upon his son because he was not strong enough to bear the loss of his humanity in the effort to save mankind.
Gurney Halleck is one of my favorite characters as well. I'm so happy that they chose P.H. Moriarty to play him. As much as I love Patrick Stewart, he really had far too much polish and was far too urbane to be a convincing Gurney -- you need someone who's a bit rough around the edges like Moriarty to play Gurney, someone who looks and sounds as if he's quite accustomed to getting his hands dirty. When I first read the books, I originally envisioned someone like George C. Scott or perhaps Ernest Borgnine playing Gurney. In my imagination, Gurney is probably not very handsome although he might be good-looking in a rather rugged sort of way. Personally, for an older man, I happen to think that P.H. Moriarty is rather attractive -- again, in a rough sort of way.
I agree. I hear for this 2020 remake their releasing in Dec, Apparently Josh Brolin is to take up the Gurney mantle. He does appear to be well seasoned for the role given his film credits
oh hell no . i mean gurney was the who trained paul watched him become greater then his father . he was like a watchful uncle . so yeah your body... wont be nothing left .
The tragic death of one messiah - and the equally tragic birth of another. And ironically the second ended up wanting to die just as much as the first.
Paul was a coward. He could have saved humanity, but he wasn’t able to do what needed to be done for the Golden Path. Leto may have inherited his father’s self-loathing, but he had a stronger will and more self-sacrificial instinct than Paul ever had.
@@joaquinwaters1810 l wouldn't say Paul was a coward at all - l think he was fatalistically resigned to the fact that ultimately basic human nature never can or will change, no matter the circumstances or conditions of any age. It was more a deep disappointment in humanity itself, and the realization that all he did was in the end for nothing. You may say Leto ll was braver and more self-sacrificing, but look at what resulted from that as well. Not exactly the achievement he had hoped for either. Not by a long shot.
@@frankberst9849 True…but Paul could have attempted to change the course of events instead of resigning to them and wandering into the desert to die, leaving the empire in the hands of his mentally unstable sister and two newborn children. Leto sacrificed his own humanity for a chance at saving the human race. Paul just ran away from everything. That said, this is just my interpretation. And I absolutely agree that neither Paul nor Leto are men to venerate.
Or, at least, revolutions based on force and violence are notorious for promoting the efficacy of persons with a penchant for aggression, cruelty, avarice and an unhealthy need for control into positions of high authority, and while that underlying savagery of character may be momentarily compatible with bringing an end to the prior order it is by its very nature incompatible with the posterior order they've helped to bring about.
So, what's your point, not to try anything, let it be and try not to die? I think you missed the message. Herbert did not talk about settling down to avoid greater dangers. Rather, he was concerned about the need to question charismatic leaders. Changes are everyone's responsibility, the saviors are the disaster because they are only human, just like the rest of us. Quite different, in my view.
I think what Paul hated about himself, his life; was that he could not follow the Golden Path to it's completion. Not only did his actions lead to immense suffering and death, but he didn't have the strength to see it through to it's Golden End. That courage belongs to the God Emperor!
This book is so well written, it speaks volumes of commentary on how both Christianity and Islam started out as justifiable revolution but ultimately became consumed by the very avarices and sins it sought to destroy. Muad'Dibs final words here I imagine is what Jesus or Mohammad might say if they saw what their kingdom and their people had become.
Children of Dune was remarkable in how many extraordinary ideas it packed while also, like the first book, being an epic read. I don't remember if it gave enough hints of where Leto was taking the Golden Path to make God Emperor unnecessary though (I found that one a slog). The miniseries did, however.
RavnDream "The messiah?" Dune is heavily inspired by the monotheistic religions and their bursts of fanaticism - although it also pulls from Zen Buddhism in the form of the Bene Gesserit quotations, etc.
valinor100 I never really saw fanaticism in it except maybe for it.For instance in the end after all the reform and progress(symbolized by turning arakis into green lands) what was the solution,renounce change and restore the old ways.The freeman became freeman again.
Holy shit... Why did it only just occur to me that Mua’dib being “Paul” is definitely a reference to the Apostle Paul. This took me way to long to realize.
Devin Gendron no. This is a book by Frank Herbert. Nothing could be further from Paul of Tarsus than Paul Atriedes - whose lineage both in name , character, and social position is Roman - son of a Roman-style duke and military hero. Dune is a parable of ecological politics - resources=power, and Empires are made by “advanced” nations occupying and/or negotiating with nations with more resources than technology . And transforming that opposition/occupancy/symbiosis is represented not by an Apostle speaking to Romans about the son of god, but by the son of a noble house allying himself with not Jews but Arabs. Another big brilliant difference is that Herbert presents the religion that Paul taps into as a calculated system of prophesies seeded throughout the galaxy by an order of priestesses dedicated to observing and managing bloodlines. There isn’t a synapse of faith or ritual that isn’t rooted in the practicalities of survival and the pragmatics of trade. That mission has dehumanized the Bene Gesserit, which gives us the rogue Jessica and Paul. If he is akin to any biblical icons, it’s the Old Testament prophets in the desert , or John the Baptist. But all the language and the Fremen people it comes from sound and feel like the Arabic cultures whose territories the West contemptuously divied up among themselves after World War 2. Lol - just babbling. Be well!
rukeyser Oh I certainly don’t think its a major parallel, more a minor reference/symbolic note. The choice of the name Paul, something that directly relates to an infamous religious zealot and leader who came to a foreign religion (Paul was Jewish, but originally from Greece, or at least greek-speaking, if I recall correctly, and was a roman tax collector before he converted, I believe) and came to dominate it even more so than its originators (given Paul of Tarsus is probably better known than most of the Disciples save Peter and Judas) seems significant. Not to mention that the Atreides are explicitly tied to the Greeks, at least nominally tracing their origins to the Cursed house of Atreus. Also worth noting that the Fremen Zensunni faith isn’t entirely a creation of the missionary protectiva . The original religion, an evolution of a hybridization of Sunni Islam and Zen Buddhism, was influenced by the Bene gesserit for their own purposes, insinuating themselves as a priestly class as “Sayadina” and introducing the “Lassan al Gahib” myth to set up the Qwisatz Haderach’s rule. Just a few thoughts, I like the analysis. stay safe, stay healthy.
He was a Kwizatz Haderach, they explain that...he "came before his time" because Leto was too...neither was the Ultimate KH...he shows up in his final form in sandworms of dune...
Thats some dumb shit Frank's son wrote lying how he 'found' all these fucking notes to keep making profit from his dad's work. You're a dumbass to like it and think it's canon.
Children of Dune miniseries is very, very good. One that does the book Justice, And to me, Alec Newman is Muad'dib. He does a great job in both the miniseries. He kills it in his scenes as the Preacher, though.
what an underrated performance. the transformation for both the character and the actor between books/seasons is fucking astonishing. alec newman is my hero exactly because of this performance. and now we gonna get oakley gloves while people consider this cheap. so fucking sad.
I fell in love with the film. I know people give it a rough ride, but, I came into it as a visual artist not from book to film. I really need to get my book on!
Mud'dib... The prophet... The most powerful man in the universe, slaughtered by one filthy assassin... What a terrible ending. But this was probably what Muad'dib wanted after he realized his name brought the salvation of but one nation, and the suffering of many others through a jihad he could not prevent.
Paul: *whispers softly* “it’s in your hands now.” *translation* Paul: *whispers softly* this ain’t my problem no more. Bye. Leto: well looks like I’ll be the worm emperor now....thanks dad.
@@gabrielaristoi7451 nigga Paul and leto are diffrent I can't explain it but I heard that since Paul is genetically created he always couldn't choose wich path to go the jihad or the golden path and it already to late but his son leto has his mother side to him wich makes him choose a path wich is the golden path and in this Paul died alone and full of regrets
@@gabrielaristoi7451 I take some issue with calling him a coward. who among us would for sure be brave enough to do what was necessary, without wavering?
I prefer to see the Atreides family as "chosen by fate" to save humanity. If history has taught us anything it is that saving others often requires the complete relinquishment of all physical and psychological comforts.
their bloodline is more cursed than you think. Atriedes bloodline is the atrius bloodline going all way to back Agamemon from troy. his son had to kill his mother to avenge his father and was damned by the furies.
@MrDerSozialist his wife name was Chani,she gave birrth to 2 childs : Leto and Ghanima... And that man with long hair his truly Muad'Dib ...to find out more details I advice you to read Dune novels...
It is amazing to return to this part of Dune (and these series visualization of the novel) after finishing last two books. Wondering if Paul really foresaw these events, or they were blurred for him, and he just used "golden path" as a code-word.
In the book it's "This is no lost djedida which is no more inhabited forever! Here have we eaten the bread of heaven and here the noise of strangers drives us from our homes! They breed for us a desolation, a land wherein no man dwelleth, nor any man passeth thereby. The waters which we spread upon the desert have become blood, Blood upon our land! Behold our desert which could rejoice and blossom. Behold them as they go forth to their evil work. It is written: 'And I stood upon the sand, and I saw a beast rise up out of that sand, and upon the head of that beast was the name of God!.' One blasphemy remains. And the name of that blasphemy is Alia!"
Every Savior needs a sin or a devil in order to matter, to have purpose, or a drive to exist. The light must eventually be consumed by the darkness because darkness and nothingness is how it all began.
Jacarutu wanted get rid of him since he stopped being useful to them, both in book and in show, when his guide tries to assasinate Paul after Paul and Leto are reunited. So in show they went with this. In book it is indeed one of priests, but it's very unclear if Alia orders this. I guess they wanted make clear in series she does not.
@@Paccyd33 But in show they do not introduce this guy as father to Assan Tariq, so audeinec cannot make connection. I found it this way - people from Jacarutu were using Paul, but their main goal was to ultimately get rid of him and other Atreides. When they had all male members of dynasty (Paul and Leto) in one place, Assan decided act, in both book and show. Leto intervened and guide met his end. We don't hear about father again in book. In show he is not father, but he still wants to end Paul's life, as Paul is no longer needed by Jacarutu... It's already confusing in book, and in show even more. But ultimately I think they made good change, since I had no idea why Paul is assasinated in book, as Alia made clear to people sent for him that she wants him alive... So at least in show is clear that it is enemy of Atreides who wants get rid of him, which makes at least some sens.
If anyone is wondering this show is called children of dune. You need to watch the dune 2000 miniseries before watching this because this is a sequel to that series. They are both on max.
I think knowledge of Dune plot - whichever (book, movie 1984, movies 2021-2023) is sufficient. I did not watch 2000 miniseries, and still was able to enjoy Children.
***** No, Paul goes totally blind in the novel after Chani's death. He loses his visions too, that's the whole reason he does what he does; he wants to rid himself of his visions and disappear. He almost succeeds.
Couple of changes from the book for this scene that I like- they combined a few of the Preacher's speeches, Paul also apologized to Alia. They also made the rogue freemen kill Paul instead of Alia's priests
She thought he was dead. She already mourned him. Seeing him alive again just to die immediately. Then her daughter dies hours later, but she was her enemy. Talk about mixed feelings.
Now that the movies are coming out, I've thought about how surprised people would be about Children of Dune. It's is a very different story. More interesting. Much more suited to a miniseries than the cinema, however. I wonder if anyone will remake it in that way...
@MrDerSozialist LoL this video is extracted from Children of Dune 2002, I advice yo to rewatch Dune 2000 and Children of Dune 2003 and you'll discover that Muad'Dib was alive all this time,changing his name to Preacher
When he speaks, he literally spits water upon the wind.
Poetic detail.
"Beware of heroes. Much better to rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes." -- Frank Herbert
Better to mislead the masses with your mistakes also 🤔
Look to yourself for a hero, for a role model. To live your life as you see fit and harming no one.
I’ve always thought this line was stupid it depends on the hero.
@@ihateflags1 That's the issue, you never know.
"All humans make mistakes. And all leaders, are but human"
The tragedy of Paul is that, at the end of his life, the one person he hated more than even Baron Harkonnen... was himself. The one who unleashed the Fremen and instilled in them the fanaticism and self-righteousness. And the one who was unable to stop it. The one who abandoned his family so that he could be free. Paul truly died in the desert. The Preacher was his ghost to take verbal vengeance on his legacy. That is the tragedy... of Muad'dib.
eastwing329 only “human”
even if Muad'Dib is blind, surely his cognitive powers heightened by melange are still there?
Can't he fight like a blind yet invincible swordsman as in Star Wars Rogue One ?
redfullpack he does not want to fight, he has surrendered to his son's golden path - the one thing he saw through prescience but was afraid to take.
Imagine if Jesus did the same thing with his crazy cult followers.
That is often the fate of men of who create real change. It's unnatural to enlighten people and there's always a price to pay for being the one who enlightens others. Look at the fate of the men who have changed history. In the end we all die alone anyway.
Poor gurney he could not protected his Duke and now he is consumed by grief and rage when paul falls. Such a great story but a real tragic one. And then Leto has to suffer being immortal and watching all his family and friends die. Frank Herbert was amazing.
That..? was only the start of his suffering. Up until his personal records (can't recall what they were called BUT..? it was an Ixian device of some sort...) explaining in detail WHAT he was doing and more importantly why (as well as WHAT he was saving them from!), he knew - his name would be a curse - that he'd be remembered as THE worst Evil, THE Greatest of Tyrants... That all humanity would curse his name for all Eternity... at least until said records were found and actually HEARD.
Frank Herbert was MORE than amazing - he was a true visionary...
This series was SO under-rated.
"We need a Dune movie!" Why? Could a screenwriter hit the points better than the sci-fi channel folk did?
@@ericgaius8791 Not likely.
We really simply just needed the books, they are the best movies you will ever experience.
@@sobreaver Mmm, not true man. Different medium with different allures and language. A Dune song is "Desert Rose" by Sting, but it's not the best book we ever read.
Was boring
What saddens me is that Gurney has to live on knowing he failed to protect both Leto, the man who saved him from Harkonnen slavery, and Paul, the boy he helped raise and trained.
Heartbreaking
Bless the Maker and His water.
Bless the coming and going of Him.
May His passage cleanse the world.
May He keep the world for His people.
I kind of feel bad for Gurney. He couldn't protect Leto from death and he couldn't save Paul from death either.
😔
In the book it was his own priests who stabbed him... His speech caused the crowed to riot and the priests used the confusion of the riot to stab him, not knowing he is muadib
Poetic
The way that scene keeps going back to Gurney stabbing Paul's murderer has stayed with me since it originally aired on Sci Fi. The pure rage and vengeance...
Gurney is an interesting word. Now you see the meaning - for he is the bearer of the sick that carts them off to caregivers. If you see Herbert's brilliance in this name, then you have touched something. Halleck means "old brains" - if you do not believe me, then look it up.
I actually felt bad for Gurney.
Muad'dib did not die on the steps of the temple. He died when he walked blind into the desert in the fremen way.
IMO he died when he chose the "only" golden path, one that left him blind and forced his son to take the reigns. Paul was a coward.
@@cosmo6705 just read dune messiah and confused by this... it’s clear the events of Leto being born he couldn’t see clearly, and by the end he was totally blind and could not use prescience to see. Is that because this is a new timeline he wasn’t seeing? Instead of gone mad is this Preacher just Paul after he’s finally accepted the Golden Path and thus is only acting to further Letto II’s plans?
@@djmaydraws3862
(I'm Cosmo, this is my normal account)
I was never very clear about the "mechanics" of this, but it seemed to me that Paul's prescience developed only to see the "way forward" to the only good outcome for humanity, his "golden path". Straying off that path meant he could not "see" using prescience. Don't know why, perhaps the "path" became entrenched? But the second he stepped off that path - too scared to try it - he could not use prescience any more.
And being blinded by the stone-burner was ON that path, and he had the guts to continue along and get blinded, but ultimately couldn't take the final step, and so lost his prescient sense and was truly blind.
IMO :)
@@PaulSchober leto 2’s birth was too catastrophic for the timeline and made the entire future change. You can’t have two golden paths so someone has got to go. Paul’s wavering faith made him unsuitable for it all together.
@@djmaydraws3862 No Paul losing his eyes set him on a permanent vision that he could not stray from. Once he left it… He was blind. That and in Dune Messiah Paul explains his prescience is not a very set thing and it has gaps. I would say Paul died when he walked into the Desert as a Fremen. The preacher is just a shell of himself.
And he hasn't "lost" his power...he still has it...this is simply the role he knows he has to play toward the Golden Path...he's the john the baptist to Leto's Jesus.
He knew he would die this way at that exact moment. He told gurney.
If he had his power why was he totally blind and could no longer see at the end of Dune Messiah?
@@djmaydraws3862 Read Children of Dune. He looked directly at people.
@@tedhodge4830 I’ve read the scene I think you’re describing. I think it’s ambiguous whether it’s because he saw them or heard them because he then comments on what they said. Still, if he could see, why did he keep commenting on losing his sight at the end of book 2 or need a guide in book 3?
@@djmaydraws3862 In Children of Dune it's described really the exact same way it's described in Messiah. He turns his head and turns his empty sockets directly to the person he was speaking to, as if he could see them. He even picks up details about them and picks out Alia out of a crowd. Ironically, no one knows who he is, but he knows who everyone else is despite being physically blind. He has at the very least a sixth sense, but it's heavily hinted that he was relying on his prescient visions of the future to "see" what was going on in the present as it was actually happening.
That's also why he lost his "sight" at the end of Dune Messiah. He did not foresee having twins; he therefore didn't have a vision beforehand about what followed. I figure that's like how he couldn't see Eadric without physically seeing him, since Eadric could see the future as a Guild Navigator, and he cast a veil on the rest of the conspirators.
Similarly, Leto II, as a descendent of Paul, probably carried a similar aura that blocked Paul's visions, leaving him with a blindspot.
I don't know why some people did not like this series. While it's true that some things were not depicted as precisely as described in the book, it was almost perfectly compressed and compiled for an engaging television series. The casting was brilliant, the music was amazing, the special effects although not great were still good enough for early 2000s. I wish they had gone on to make God Emperor of Dune.
Agreed
Sadly, God Emperor was probably beyond the budgetary limits of SyFy. Creating a believable God Emperor with CGI and practical effects would have been astoundingly expensive.
@@kentvesser9484 infinitely high hopes for the new dune movies. A well-depicted God Emperor would be a crowning achievement of filmography
They turned Stilgar into a black female, they have drunk from the well of wokedom, so it'll be all guurl power, again. @@houserhouse
the new movies will take many movies just to cover the same material as the old movie. won't get even as far as this series, much less cover the God Emporer.@@houserhouse
It is shocking to find how many people do not believe they can learn, and how many more believe learning to be difficult. Muad'Dib knew that every experience carries its lesson.
And every experience carries the whole of experiences once had. An untouchable feeling of familiarity that permeates all conversation, only to be realized when the time is right.
Sauce?
This is only my opinion, but I think the person that suffered the most loss in this scene is Gurney. Aside from the anger that he has towards Paul's killer, I think you can also see the anger he has towards himself for failing to protect the boy he swore to give his life for.
After 56 years the Dune saga is my favourite science fiction tale. A tale of love and sacrifice.
after I found it, the Dune saga set me free.
check out the expanse
You're so right, but don't say anything similar to a Bene Gesserit sister.
Yes - it is about love, sacrifice when faced with logical outcomes of our actions. Putting aside ourselves for the greater good
The pain in her eyes destroys me every time
I knew I had people out there somewhere! I only read through about 12 comments, but dammed if I didn't feel a sense of home for moment. I've loved this story and advocated for it against the giants of over produced poorly written science fiction. Phony "visionaries" that obviously stole several key elements of the Dune Saga, dumbed it down, added flashy laser swords, and fed it to us on the silver screen. For 22 years ive read and reread the first four books and watched and rewarched the miniseries countless times and each time I feel like I gain new perspective in my own life. My understanding of the story changes as I age but always in interesting and meaningful ways. I'm so happy to know all of you are out there. I hope one day, fate brings our paths close enough to actually meet. Peace my Brothers and Sisters!
I think just as the whole universe emerged from a single point, so too do all our paths and they will all eventually lead back to one again
What do you think about irulan and Paul's life
Preacher is my favorite character. Just such tragic hero!
I love the name of Muad 'Dib. There are some arabic names in the novels which are awesome!
Muaddib means a person who teaches _adab_ (manners), so by preaching to his people on how they have swayed from their old ways he's literally a Muaddib
in this case Muad'dib is the kangaroo mouse which hops. muad'dib is wise in the ways of the desert. he hides in the day and comes out at night. we call this one the teacher of children
@@vonn4017 not quite right, in the book Paul Atriedies was know to the members of his "Home" Sietch as "Ussul" the name the Fremen have for the Kangaroo mouse Paul chose this name himself.
@@bigbananna1616 wrong. the kangaroo mouse is Muad'Dib. Usul is the strength at the base of a base of a pillar
Gurney's just there casually removing the assassin's spine in the middle of the crowd.
Paul seems relieved that's it's finally over.
It is FAR from over for Paul.very far from over.
James Adams
Uh...he died...
+valar I see you've yet to learn of the tleilaxu
James Adams
They never made a ghola out of Paul.
+valar oh my god....GOOGLE SAMDWORMS OF DUNE!!!
I don't think she really realized he was her brother until he finally said so. You can see the pain and regret on her fave.
Paul is my favorite character of the entire series. Leto is awesome and Duncan is legendary but nothing tops Paul's arc in my opinion.
But what about Stilgar? Lol personally he’s one of my favorites :p
@@laurend.statham1742 But.... What about Leto II? Or Chani? How about Liet Kynes? Come to think of it I really love Ghanima.
@@tonycmac let’s see I’ve always really really appreciated Kynes along with Paul later on in Dune Messiah. Scytale and Bijaz were pretty neat too. Irulan though came off as a little annoying but understandable given her position. But it’s always gotta be Stilgar in my mind though....
LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!
LONG LIVE THE FEDYKIN!
SHAI-HULUD!
Him being preacher of arrakeen is my favorite part.
Duncan was my favorite…
“Two deaths for the Atreides, the second, for no better reason than the first.” .. what a legend.
I'm so glad I got to watch this when it was first aired, my favorite sci-fi series of all time.
Blessed be the passing of Maud'Ib
This series captures and expands on the books in a way that few other film/TV adaptations do. It’s dated now but for a comparatively low budget adaptation it really nails the futility of Paul and the doomed ambition of his son. The first three dune books are a truly great story and this miniseries really captures the deep themes that run through it, which is no mean feat. I’m unbelievably excited to see DV’s adaptation of Dune. I think (and hope) that it’ll be as incredible as it deserves to be.
Joe Cockerline Its too bad folks just see the limitations of the budget. I think of it as theater.
Watch 1970’s “I claudius”. The acting and story obliterate the modesty of its production. Problem is that in this age of Transformers, we mistake style for substance.
So flashy DV's rendition.
So petty and shallow.
"The Golden Path. The path Muad'dib could not take..."
You can feel the regret in those words. Paul had come to hate himself, for his weakness and cowardice in the face of the sacrifice he would have had to make, for the destiny that he foisted upon his son because he was not strong enough to bear the loss of his humanity in the effort to save mankind.
Jesus the music in this miniseries was SOOOO good!! 💔😭😭😭😭💘💗🥰🥰
This scene breaks my heart every time
Love this series. I've read God Emperor and Chapterhouse over 7 times each.
I love Paul's long hair and it is bathed in light. SO MAJESTIC!!!!!
Majestic? He looks like an homeless! Terrible Actor as Paul, far away from books description!
@@FadingVitals That's your opinion it's ok. I got mine.
Bro his speech and the power of his voice killed it. @@FadingVitals
I would not want Gurney Halleck chasing me down in a death rage
Personally I was glad Gurney took that guy down
Gurney Halleck is one of my favorite characters as well. I'm so happy that they chose P.H. Moriarty to play him. As much as I love Patrick Stewart, he really had far too much polish and was far too urbane to be a convincing Gurney -- you need someone who's a bit rough around the edges like Moriarty to play Gurney, someone who looks and sounds as if he's quite accustomed to getting his hands dirty. When I first read the books, I originally envisioned someone like George C. Scott or perhaps Ernest Borgnine playing Gurney. In my imagination, Gurney is probably not very handsome although he might be good-looking in a rather rugged sort of way. Personally, for an older man, I happen to think that P.H. Moriarty is rather attractive -- again, in a rough sort of way.
I agree. I hear for this 2020 remake their releasing in Dec, Apparently Josh Brolin is to take up the Gurney mantle. He does appear to be well seasoned for the role given his film credits
oh hell no . i mean gurney was the who trained paul watched him become greater then his father . he was like a watchful uncle . so yeah your body... wont be nothing left .
The path Muah Dib couldnt not take But I can take that path
The tragic death of one messiah - and the equally tragic birth of another. And ironically the second ended up wanting to die just as much as the first.
Stabbed in the back , figures
Paul was a coward. He could have saved humanity, but he wasn’t able to do what needed to be done for the Golden Path. Leto may have inherited his father’s self-loathing, but he had a stronger will and more self-sacrificial instinct than Paul ever had.
@@joaquinwaters1810 only cowards get stabbed in the back ?
@@joaquinwaters1810 l wouldn't say Paul was a coward at all - l think he was fatalistically resigned to the fact that ultimately basic human nature never can or will change, no matter the circumstances or conditions of any age. It was more a deep disappointment in humanity itself, and the realization that all he did was in the end for nothing. You may say Leto ll was braver and more self-sacrificing, but look at what resulted from that as well. Not exactly the achievement he had hoped for either. Not by a long shot.
@@frankberst9849 True…but Paul could have attempted to change the course of events instead of resigning to them and wandering into the desert to die, leaving the empire in the hands of his mentally unstable sister and two newborn children. Leto sacrificed his own humanity for a chance at saving the human race. Paul just ran away from everything.
That said, this is just my interpretation. And I absolutely agree that neither Paul nor Leto are men to venerate.
still the best adaptation of Dune
A good example from Frank Herbert of every revolution carries within it the seeds of its own destruction.
Well said!!
Or, at least, revolutions based on force and violence are notorious for promoting the efficacy of persons with a penchant for aggression, cruelty, avarice and an unhealthy need for control into positions of high authority, and while that underlying savagery of character may be momentarily compatible with bringing an end to the prior order it is by its very nature incompatible with the posterior order they've helped to bring about.
So, what's your point, not to try anything, let it be and try not to die? I think you missed the message. Herbert did not talk about settling down to avoid greater dangers. Rather, he was concerned about the need to question charismatic leaders. Changes are everyone's responsibility, the saviors are the disaster because they are only human, just like the rest of us. Quite different, in my view.
As does every empire.
Another fine example of the Path to hell being paved with good intentions.
I think what Paul hated about himself, his life; was that he could not follow the Golden Path to it's completion. Not only did his actions lead to immense suffering and death, but he didn't have the strength to see it through to it's Golden End. That courage belongs to the God Emperor!
Someone is always cutting onions when I read or see this.
Wow the emotion expressed is actually very moving
This book is so well written, it speaks volumes of commentary on how both Christianity and Islam started out as justifiable revolution but ultimately became consumed by the very avarices and sins it sought to destroy. Muad'Dibs final words here I imagine is what Jesus or Mohammad might say if they saw what their kingdom and their people had become.
Children of Dune was remarkable in how many extraordinary ideas it packed while also, like the first book, being an epic read. I don't remember if it gave enough hints of where Leto was taking the Golden Path to make God Emperor unnecessary though (I found that one a slog). The miniseries did, however.
DarkFilmDirector Are you strong enough to ride the worm?
+RavnDream but its universally applicable
RavnDream
"The messiah?" Dune is heavily inspired by the monotheistic religions and their bursts of fanaticism - although it also pulls from Zen Buddhism in the form of the Bene Gesserit quotations, etc.
valinor100 I never really saw fanaticism in it except maybe for it.For instance in the end after all the reform and progress(symbolized by turning arakis into green lands) what was the solution,renounce change and restore the old ways.The freeman became freeman again.
Holy shit... Why did it only just occur to me that Mua’dib being “Paul” is definitely a reference to the Apostle Paul. This took me way to long to realize.
And Leto... his son Timothy... yeah...
Devin Gendron no. This is a book by Frank Herbert. Nothing could be further from Paul of Tarsus than Paul Atriedes - whose lineage both in name , character, and social position is Roman - son of a Roman-style duke and military hero.
Dune is a parable of ecological politics - resources=power, and Empires are made by “advanced” nations occupying and/or negotiating with nations with more resources than technology .
And transforming that opposition/occupancy/symbiosis is represented not by an Apostle speaking to Romans about the son of god, but by the son of a noble house allying himself with not Jews but Arabs.
Another big brilliant difference is that Herbert presents the religion that Paul taps into as a calculated system of prophesies seeded throughout the galaxy by an order of priestesses dedicated to observing and managing bloodlines. There isn’t a synapse of faith or ritual that isn’t rooted in the practicalities of survival and the pragmatics of trade. That mission has dehumanized the Bene Gesserit, which gives us the rogue Jessica and Paul. If he is akin to any biblical icons, it’s the Old Testament prophets in the desert , or John the Baptist. But all the language and the Fremen people it comes from sound and feel like the Arabic cultures whose territories the West contemptuously divied up among themselves after World War 2.
Lol - just babbling. Be well!
rukeyser Oh I certainly don’t think its a major parallel, more a minor reference/symbolic note. The choice of the name Paul, something that directly relates to an infamous religious zealot and leader who came to a foreign religion (Paul was Jewish, but originally from Greece, or at least greek-speaking, if I recall correctly, and was a roman tax collector before he converted, I believe) and came to dominate it even more so than its originators (given Paul of Tarsus is probably better known than most of the Disciples save Peter and Judas) seems significant. Not to mention that the Atreides are explicitly tied to the Greeks, at least nominally tracing their origins to the Cursed house of Atreus.
Also worth noting that the Fremen Zensunni faith isn’t entirely a creation of the missionary protectiva . The original religion, an evolution of a hybridization of Sunni Islam and Zen Buddhism, was influenced by the Bene gesserit for their own purposes, insinuating themselves as a priestly class as “Sayadina” and introducing the “Lassan al Gahib” myth to set up the Qwisatz Haderach’s rule.
Just a few thoughts, I like the analysis. stay safe, stay healthy.
This in turn inspired Luke Skywalker / Luke the Disciple.
I always thought it was a reference to Paul McCartney
I forgot how sad that moment was. I hadn't watched this in about 16 years.
*CAN WE PLEASE GET THIS FAR WITH THE ADAPTIONS!!!???*
He was a Kwizatz Haderach, they explain that...he "came before his time" because Leto was too...neither was the Ultimate KH...he shows up in his final form in sandworms of dune...
Thats some dumb shit Frank's son wrote lying how he 'found' all these fucking notes to keep making profit from his dad's work. You're a dumbass to like it and think it's canon.
@@klyanadkmorr you're a dipshit
That garbage called sandwormds of dune
SUCH A GREAT AND PHILOSOPHICAL SPEECH!!!!!
Children of Dune miniseries is very, very good. One that does the book Justice,
And to me, Alec Newman is Muad'dib. He does a great job in both the miniseries. He kills it in his scenes as the Preacher, though.
Tom Oosterbroek His intention was to "kill it".
+GeneHeim1
You Freudians you.
Sci Fi channel has fallen far.
And to me, Alec Newman is Muad'dib....agree. A tragic life and a lingering end.
Agree, even if he was too old he played the role better than McLachlan by far. Sorry no, the problem with David Lynch's film was the script.
He intended it to happen. His visions kept his son prisoner. You have to read the books a few times to fully get them (at least I needed to)
That’s an understatement :)
I had to read God Emperor 12 times before it finally settled in.
what an underrated performance. the transformation for both the character and the actor between books/seasons is fucking astonishing. alec newman is my hero exactly because of this performance. and now we gonna get oakley gloves while people consider this cheap. so fucking sad.
This was such a fucking great miniseries! It deserved far better of a budget than it got!
I love how every dictoter or people who gain so much power always dies like nothing or alone.
The TYRANT dies, and his rule is ended...
The MARTYR dies, and his rule begins...
The music starting at 2:15? it is reminiscent of Gladiator.
I fell in love with the film. I know people give it a rough ride, but, I came into it as a visual artist not from book to film. I really need to get my book on!
It is great. I understand FH was very pleased with it. I doubt I'd be into Dune if it wasn't for Lynch's film.
Mud'dib... The prophet... The most powerful man in the universe, slaughtered by one filthy assassin... What a terrible ending. But this was probably what Muad'dib wanted after he realized his name brought the salvation of but one nation, and the suffering of many others through a jihad he could not prevent.
Yes. I believe in Dune Messiah the figure of deaths from the jihad across all planets of the Landsraad totaled 61 billion.
I can recite this. Few combinations of music, scenery and dialog compare favorably to this.
Alec Newman was fantastic as the Preacher.
"Stop trying to pull me into the background once more, sister."
Paul: *whispers softly* “it’s in your hands now.”
*translation*
Paul: *whispers softly* this ain’t my problem no more. Bye.
Leto: well looks like I’ll be the worm emperor now....thanks dad.
I'd choose death over 3000+years as Jabba the Hutt
@@iamsheep 😀
U read it well. Paul was a coward, wasnt able to do what was necessery to save human kind from Great Enemy.
@@gabrielaristoi7451 nigga Paul and leto are diffrent I can't explain it but I heard that since Paul is genetically created he always couldn't choose wich path to go the jihad or the golden path and it already to late but his son leto has his mother side to him wich makes him choose a path wich is the golden path and in this Paul died alone and full of regrets
@@gabrielaristoi7451 I take some issue with calling him a coward. who among us would for sure be brave enough to do what was necessary, without wavering?
Somehow I understand the simplicity of prophet now
Muadib's death in the third novel was a complete shock.
The music adds a lot to the emotion.
so sad and grand the whole family was cursed.
I prefer to see the Atreides family as "chosen by fate" to save humanity. If history has taught us anything it is that saving others often requires the complete relinquishment of all physical and psychological comforts.
Becoming a giant sandstorm right
save humanity thru their noble sacrifice
their bloodline is more cursed than you think. Atriedes bloodline is the atrius bloodline going all way to back Agamemon from troy. his son had to kill his mother to avenge his father and was damned by the furies.
Yes, but before Agamemnon himself killed his daughter.
Gurney so mad he used the point of the blade instead of the edge
RIP Paul Maud'Dib.
Fight, war, conflict , ambition, ego : the futur? I call it actuality.
***** The Preacher refers to Alia as "sister". He's definitely Paul.
yes my friend, he is Paul
In fact I never understood their doubts. For me it was very clear.
At least Paul here recognizes his fatal error of unleashing his Jihad
Muab dib greatest warrior of arrakis and who killed feyd in duel was back stabbed
that's foreshadowing
@MrDerSozialist his wife name was Chani,she gave birrth to 2 childs : Leto and Ghanima...
And that man with long hair his truly Muad'Dib ...to find out more details I advice you to read Dune novels...
Finally he realized that he's a pawn in a long running game.
1🇺🇲🖐., AYA GOD TAKES US TO TERRA AND THEN THE WORLD WE ARE THE FAITHFUL!!!!
Good scene. Shame they didn't do the Preacher's revelation to Farad'n, that would have made something even more powerful.
You can hear a bit of what Alec Newman brought to Adam Smasher
1🇺🇲🎴🥷🏾, THE SPICE MUST FLOW....
It is amazing to return to this part of Dune (and these series visualization of the novel) after finishing last two books. Wondering if Paul really foresaw these events, or they were blurred for him, and he just used "golden path" as a code-word.
So say thy words ...of MUad'Dib
'stop trying to push me into the background sister'
Calvin Johnstone. No. ‘Stop putting me on a pedestal, Sister.’
Can you upload a clip of Otheym screaming "Muad'dib!!!!" when his blind son pleads not to be sent into the desert?
Too bad the video is out of sync, cause this long version is the only one I can find on this site. Thanks for uploading it though!
You want Muad'Dib's words?
I'll run your faces in em!
Rub
In the book it's
"This is no lost djedida which is no more inhabited forever! Here have we eaten the bread of heaven and here the noise of strangers drives us from our homes! They breed for us a desolation, a land wherein no man dwelleth, nor any man passeth thereby. The waters which we spread upon the desert have become blood, Blood upon our land! Behold our desert which could rejoice and blossom. Behold them as they go forth to their evil work. It is written: 'And I stood upon the sand, and I saw a beast rise up out of that sand, and upon the head of that beast was the name of God!.' One blasphemy remains. And the name of that blasphemy is Alia!"
Every Savior needs a sin or a devil in order to matter, to have purpose, or a drive to exist. The light must eventually be consumed by the darkness because darkness and nothingness is how it all began.
Awwww, young pup.
Why does the Jacurutu guy kill him in the series? That doesn't make much sense... In the book it's one of Alia's followers
Jacarutu wanted get rid of him since he stopped being useful to them, both in book and in show, when his guide tries to assasinate Paul after Paul and Leto are reunited. So in show they went with this. In book it is indeed one of priests, but it's very unclear if Alia orders this. I guess they wanted make clear in series she does not.
this guy is also the father of the preacher's guide earlier assan tariq, maybe it was revenge or something? idk why they changed it, seems strange
@@Paccyd33 But in show they do not introduce this guy as father to Assan Tariq, so audeinec cannot make connection. I found it this way - people from Jacarutu were using Paul, but their main goal was to ultimately get rid of him and other Atreides. When they had all male members of dynasty (Paul and Leto) in one place, Assan decided act, in both book and show. Leto intervened and guide met his end. We don't hear about father again in book. In show he is not father, but he still wants to end Paul's life, as Paul is no longer needed by Jacarutu... It's already confusing in book, and in show even more. But ultimately I think they made good change, since I had no idea why Paul is assasinated in book, as Alia made clear to people sent for him that she wants him alive... So at least in show is clear that it is enemy of Atreides who wants get rid of him, which makes at least some sens.
Who calls for Muad dib?! Muad'Dib words are the wind
If anyone is wondering this show is called children of dune. You need to watch the dune 2000 miniseries before watching this because this is a sequel to that series. They are both on max.
I think knowledge of Dune plot - whichever (book, movie 1984, movies 2021-2023) is sufficient. I did not watch 2000 miniseries, and still was able to enjoy Children.
***** No, Paul goes totally blind in the novel after Chani's death. He loses his visions too, that's the whole reason he does what he does; he wants to rid himself of his visions and disappear. He almost succeeds.
Not quite. In Children he admits to Leto that, using spice in Jacurutu, he did sometimes have visions again.
Couple of changes from the book for this scene that I like- they combined a few of the Preacher's speeches, Paul also apologized to Alia. They also made the rogue freemen kill Paul instead of Alia's priests
were Alia and Paul more like enemies in the book?
I don't understand why Lady Jessica didn't care about Paul's whereabouts after the events in Dune Messiah. Did she also believe he was dead?
She thought he was dead. She already mourned him. Seeing him alive again just to die immediately. Then her daughter dies hours later, but she was her enemy. Talk about mixed feelings.
@@MinuteLeech2 Thanks man.
How come Jessica doesn't have the blue in blue eyes anymore?
Now that the movies are coming out, I've thought about how surprised people would be about Children of Dune. It's is a very different story. More interesting. Much more suited to a miniseries than the cinema, however. I wonder if anyone will remake it in that way...
I only wish they'd have shown that guy squealing just a bit more after his murder.
Can someone explain to me what happened here? In Medsiah, Paul Atreides' water was claimed by Shai Hulud, not by his tribe.
@MrDerSozialist LoL this video is extracted from Children of Dune 2002, I advice yo to rewatch Dune 2000 and Children of Dune 2003 and you'll discover that Muad'Dib was alive all this time,changing his name to Preacher
I cant find this movie anywhere
This is predicting the future
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Do you ever hear the tragedy of paul Atreides the wise?
in which mini series does this speech takes place? Children of Dune?
Children of Dune
Pauls fate is depressing!!!