Children Of Dune - ALIA in Lady Jessica 's Assassination
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*DUNE 2021 Review on Paul Atreides Destiny* vs in the book Paul doesn't have a free choice when he realized having gotten addicted to the spice he & Jessica could NOT just up and leave without some access to further spice to ingest, [also possibly the Bene Gesserit PLAN when they had Harkonnen & Atreides circling the Arrakis planet to end up ruling and having genetic bred children there for the Fremen to worship]. *In the book Jamis calls out to fight Paul NOT Stilgar or Jessica* , due to his being humiliated embarrassed and beaten by a boy Paul. Paul HAD TO FIGHT/Kill Jamis then becomes responsible for Jamis family afterwards. Denis movie removes all of that and makes it Paul having a choice. Completely changes the underlying message that we cannot control everything(choice) unless we fully understand and Paul never did til it was too late, only After he took the water of life to finally have the full sight.
Denis half makes it Paul has no choice by clearly said Stilgar states by killing Jamis Paul has tied himself to the tribe=no choice, Thus the script makes no sense Jessica suddenly begging for Paul to be released to leave contrary to what was just stated and shown JUST to modern mentality imply Paul has a choice. The real story by Herbert he has said time again in interviews That good intentions and righteous moral intentions can easily lead to vast justified evil and wrongs. What looks ethical at the beginning thru blind adherence can lead to later atrocities.
I always understood from reading the books that the major houses all had their own supply of Spice that they used daily, certainly not enough to to have the eyes of Ibad even after years of use but certainly for the life extending and mental advantages. We only see Dr Yueh give Paul spice in his room, once, in Lynchs' version.
So in a way everyone has some level of addiction or use of Spice. It's everywhere. 😎
The new dune is just bad.
The three major lessons of Frank Herbert's Dune:
1. Manage your resources and take care not to screw around with the environment.
2. Church and State should be serperate.
3. Don't take drugs when you are pregnant.
And avoid the Cult of Personality.
@Panama Jack or a Doctor, or a walking computer.
@@madcapmagician3130
not avoid doctors, but avoid a.i. sure.
and dont make people (not only doctors) choose between family/loved ones and duty,
and if they are, relieve of them from such an impossible position at once however you can. otherwise All parties involved are in danger from such a squeezed up brain s sparks.
ShadowPaladin; yes, thats about it essentially. 👍
Frank Herbert's message was an examination of the responsibilities and burdens of leadership, especially in terms of politics. I've read every word Frank Herbert wrote, and that is an important concern of his. I attended a talk of his in the 80's. He asked, in respect to his message in Dune, 'What makes people follow someone to the jungles of Guyana and drink poisoned Kool-aid?' He was referring, of course, to Jim Jones who told his followers to kill themselves en masse, and they did. Paul Atreides spent the whole book trying to extricate himself (and the universe) from the jihad he saw in his prophetic visions. He failed. There was a jihad and billions of people died. His son, the God Emperor, spent about 3500 years trying to break humanity from Paul's vision that locked humanity on a particular course. You can argue that the end result of the maturing of humankind is good. But billions of people died. Thus, the burden of leadership weighed heavily on Paul.
After reading the books I was so sorry for Alia. All she needed was to be with her loved ones. As much as she was powerful, she was consumed by her powers because of being abondoned by her loved ones. I don't think she would be like that if Jessica didn't leave her after Paul is gone. But everyone was prejudicing her since she was born. At least at the end her mother understood she was just a victim and she still loves her.
Just finished reading it two nights ago and into God Emperor now. I noticed that too. It's very striking that the only person she can really turn to is an ancestral ego locked inside her own head and the one she chose is the man she killed as a child. Hit deep by the end. The Bene Gesserit and Jessica forgot their litany and created the very thing they were afraid of. Crazy how quickly Alia's descent was exacerbated when she finally returned. Some real emotional damage there.
As mad as Alia was at this point it must have been difficult to be taken seriously as a ruler when your mother over rules you in public like that
her grand father whispering madness into her mind 24/7
I was so upset that Jessica left her daughter alone to rule. Once Paul disappeared she should have returned to her daughter. It is her fault that Alia had pre born knowledge and left vulnerable to being taken over. Look how Chani nearly desired to take her daughter over. Alia niece. Her mother probably could have helped her to navigate this horribleness.
The Borg Queen looking a lot better in the 102nd Century.
The benefits of assimilating spice.
🤣🤣🤣
Didn't captain Janeway kill her...lol
Children of Dune takes place in the 103rd century
O, i dont know...Goth is Goth...--or is this Cosplay?
Poor Alia. Possessed by the baron!
I totally enjoyed this Sci-fi production. Think it was underrated.
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It was the best.
Both efforts were good, only problem was lack of a big budget!!! I thought Ian McNeice was fantastic as the Baron. I also thought Julie cox did a great job as Irulan, a role that has yet to be cast in the new film!!!
It's just a shame that it was SOOO cheap!
But it was made with love and it frequently shows through.
This is my favorite scene! Alia proving she is the abomination feared by the B.G. Reverend Mother Lady Jessica showing her true alligence, and the Fremen giving there support! Best acting in the whole series! This was sorely underrated! It was brilliant! Ba Li Kiafa!!
I love the show of the Weirding superspeed as Jessica dodges the bolt fired at her, and the clarity of the moment as she and Alia meet eyes and Jessica knows that Alia ordered her assassination. The Reverend Mothers were immensely powerful and dangerous.
I SO TOTALLY AGREE and why I uploaded this scene!! And check out the BIRTH of the Twins clip, it shows Paul doing the weirding speed after hearing his son & daughter preborn babies warning him giving him the SIGHT to fightback!!
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@@klyanadkmorr Oh yes, and of course the transformed Leto with all his powers. Jessica does have a lot to feel guilty for, though. Not just abandoning Alia, but for using the Bene Gesserit's propaganda to manipulate the Fremen for her (and Paul's) own needs. As the old Reverend Mother said "When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows." The Fremen Jihad caused the death of billions across many worlds. I have to wonder, too, how Liet (a planetary ecologist) failed to realize that the transformation he advocated would destroy the desert, the worms, and ultimately the only resource the Fremen had - the spice. Maybe the books covered this better and maybe his vision was actually for more limited change. Of course, Leto ultimately wanted the desert destroyed - it was necessary for his Golden Path.
But with his Wormbody death the desert returned and then later books planet destroyed by the scattering returning Honored Matres and the Bene Gesserit save some worms and make the special planet housing the ones left.
@@dirdib69 i think Liet knew and hoped there would be no more spice... Then outsiders would leave.
@@shipmate3577 That could be. Maybe he also understood that the Fremen way of life had hardship and misery baked in - I'm recalling the line about how "God created Arrakis to train the faithful". Small wonder they were the perfect target for the Bene Gesserit's Missionaria Protectiva - a whole society of fanatics. For the Fremen to reach paradise, they had to leave their old lives behind.
I am almost finished with Children of Dune and wow this looks surprisingly accurate to the scene in the book.
For those that read the books, this series did it justice.
Alia threw herself from a high window to her death. In the Book...
And THIS did it BETTER more Shakespearean and traumatic showing Alia's internal battle and realization she needed to end it all & trauma of her family watching vs BOOK Alia robotically her jumping disappearing
@@klyanadkmorr it's also more poetic, since she was known as "Alia of the Knife"
@@bacilluscereus1299 The books are massive. You can't put all the books into one movie. That goes for any film really. Books will always be more detailed.
My favourite scene in the series... although it is missing one of the best lines 'I can think of nothing more poisonous than to rot in the stink of your own reflections.'
This is when Jessica realizes that it is not Atreides sitting on the throne...abomination
So fully tired of the Jessica BLAMES GAME going on as THERE WOULD BE NO PAUL NOR ALIA if Jessica had NOT TAKEN THE WATER OF LIFE or fought off Stilgar, their Fremen sentence WAS DEATH. The thing is Alia NEVER ASKED HER MOTHER TO STAY once Paul gained power fully Fremen Rev Mother transferred to Harah & later Blind Paul left. The only blame is OUT OF ?SELFISH LOVE OF HER PARTNER DUKE LETO she had a son first. THAT IS A TRAGEDY SAD not a childish blame hate game that Alia devolves into. Do you see Ghanima or LetoII hating on Paul & Chani forcing them into Prescience? Just so they could have another child? NO they are MATURE and access the past to understand to full situation of why they came about! Alia had a personality with/out prescience that was similar to the Baron her grandfather such she ALLOWED him access to protect her otherwise she'd have probably grown up with a mild manipulative and power hungry bent without being preborn and twisted by the Baron.
Alia was all wrapped up in being the new Regent Emperor and only asked Duncan to stay by her side. IMHO how could anyone have realized how unstable Alia was when she was running around leading so well and kept everyone at a distance trying to look perfect(I am the Rev Mother & holy with all Rev Mother memories bow to me Bulls#) like as if she was like Paul. Only her niece/nephew could pick up on it early and Jessica only AFTER being alerted of the drastic things happening on Arrakis and reports of Alia's new behavior. Alia was too far gone by then.
@@klyanadkmorr Certainly, in as much as I love Alia, as Muad’dib’s regent she got drunk on power (like all Atreides do) making her more vulnerable to abomination. She never had the benefit of hindsight like Ghanima and Leto II (initially) who though both being abomination had the benefit of witnessing the fall of Alia.
@@MMLavi I say thousands of generations of Rev Mother ancient memories IS HINDSIGHT ENOUGH. I dream and wish for that but just have my time and conversations with my aunts, mother and maternal grandmother, yet I have IGNORED their warnings on stuff and had to experience bad judgement mistakes. I don't whine and blame my mother or siblings when I do it knowing their fk ups and family history.
@@klyanadkmorr actually you have a very valid point, she had benefit of other memory, she must have chosen the path she walked
Paul was supposed to be a daughter who would then be married to Feyd (the nephew of their material grandfather) to produce the Kwisatz Haderach - one that the Sisterhood could control.
I love both actresses and their play. This is definitely one of the memorable scene in this series. They are so beautiful.
I thought the actress playing Jessica acted well but the one playing Alia not so well.
Just read this in Children. I'M LITERALLY DYING TO SEE VILLENUEVE ADAPT THIS
Alice Krige’s voice steals the show…
A Kardashian troubador? They're everywhere!
😂😂😂😂
Hah!
At least in the DUNE universe their faces wouldn't be plastered everywhere since there is no silicon-digital tech.
Mercy, Holy Mother! Now *that* is how you interrupt a proceeding. Oh, and I missed that. not just naib but a fedaykin. No wonder no one lifted a finger to bar his way.
As tough a guy as it gets on any planet.
Nice to see she still has her moves.
The throne set is so gorgeous. And I love Alice Krige so much
A couple of things that the syfy series' got so right.
Sure they had no money, but they gave faithful and loving adaptations of the books a real try and stuff actually does work. Casting was amongst them.
Does anyone else think this looks a lot like the throne room from GoT? Same color palette as when Cersei ascends the throne.
@@bsixtwelve9799 Being HBO GoT was a decade AFTER this show & GRRM took ideas from DUNE novels anyway, And ancient thrones were kinda larger grand anyway so it's copying history yeah.
I like the way Jessica took the room from Alia.
IMHO the people who did the book to scripting version of these DUNE books were as good as the other writers(not just D&D) who did the 1st few seasons of Game Thrones where the visual telling was way more dramatic and compelling than the original author's vision & version but the underlying spirit & core meaning is kept
@@klyanadkmorr agreed. Jessica goes from sitting at a place of power next to her traitorous daughter looking as if she were above the problems of the people to being down from the stage close enough to be touched by the people and attentive to their needs. This is how a good leader leads. And Alia ends up looking cold and indifferent in comparison. Aloof, irresponsible and completely outclassed. Alice Krige hits the ball out of the park with strong line delivery and presence. If only the SyFy series had a larger budget these films could have been the definitive Dune live action experience.
Alice KRIGE who played the trek BORG Queen, lol you must be having Star Trek Brandon Braga's name on your mind as he did alot of Borg episodes & a movie!
@@klyanadkmorr I admit the mistake. Writing from my car so I was going on memory. I'm getting old. ;). But my point stands. I like her in everything she's in. I will edit the comment.
Before GOT there was DUNE
& B4 Star Wars &during 1st Star Trek
Only because you'd never seen this in 2003-4 before GoT.
@@klyanadkmorr The first novel Dune was b4 both of them though, Star Trek didn't start until a year later.
You haven't the TIME to read all the video comments but I am fully aware of the DUNE series published timelines and have said what you think you are fyi to me - and this is because I was in jr&hs during the 70's reading following the geek scifi media about DUNE & Trek & Wars, but only now have read up on GRRM & ASOIAF only due to quality writing after getting into the TV show. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#Original_series
The czech accents are pretty cool and brought some nice flavor to this series.
ANY accents makes DUNE seem more believable about the future of humanity than Mid Atlantic English or 24/7 British
I loved this mini series
I read this Dune series thirty odd yrs ago. I remember it as very good but have forgotten much... looks like i need to refresh my memory, before the movie is out next year.
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The French subtitle is Assist thy brother when he is in need.
ALICE KRIGE IS A GODDESS! BEAUTIFUL AND A MAGNIFICENT ACTOR.
To me she's PERFECT as a BENE GESSRIT Reverend Mother
eta-9/20121 making Dune2021 Jessica not so impressive listening to the attitude words from the actress, ignorant of the novels the JOB SHE TOOK castigating it as SEXIST without meaning
@@klyanadkmorr YES SHE DOS.
Ah, the Borg Queen lives.
Alice Krug is a pretty lady.
WOW. I never knew that BGs were this powerful...Clearly, the Lynch version understated their abilities.
Pretty well done
I am getting "Game of Thrones" vibes.
DUNE was written and made into films long before Game of Throne by HBO, and GRRM admits part of his planet ecology mixed with warring houses was from DUNE ergo You are getting GoT version of DUNE vibes from a DUNE film. duh
To be actual Game of Thrones is a quality rendition of a quality BOOK fantasy series and large throne rooms is a meme, if this miniseries especially the DUNE part 1 of the Syfy series had the $ like HBO this would be 10times better visually but calling Game of Thrones trash, as someone commented, is a subjective opinion. It just ended up rushed to an ending not written yet, unlike Dune has been. Unlike Lucas with his Star Wars openly ripping off DUNE and denying it, GRRM has paid homage and honors Herbert's work by adopting allegories to his ASOIAF works which uses many resources from lord Rings to Love Craft & PUBLICLY ADMITS HONORS doesn't lie his twins come from both Dune/Star Wars use in fantasy but taken to extreme conclusion of possible sexual intimacy relations by womb siblings.
None of the modern movies really shows just how quick the bene gesserit can move. The whip slash of muscle movement.
I need to watch this series again 😊
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That is an awesome movie. Cant believe I have just discovered it in 2021.
The chic they got to play Alia has a great body but they could have got Alicia Witt to play Alia again for this miniseries. Would have been a coup.
Minor quibble. This scene establishes that Alia and her cohorts, know full well that terra-forming Dune is fatal to the worms. Yet, Alia, openly, and unwisely, admits that this is intentional, and the end goal is so that they have a corner on a very scarce and desirable commodity. This is strange when you consider Spice already IS the most valuable, and scarce commodity in the universe even before they hatched this plan of theirs. It is even more puzzling when you consider that Alia and her house , are the rulers of the Imperium, and they rule from Dune, which means, yea, they already control spice production, so....why try to kill off the worms again? How much more power and wealth does Alia need anyhow?
Shes a super-human herself, ruler of the Dune universe(ok regent but still), and, rules from the planet that make everything go around in their world(s)......
Why not quibble with every despot or billionaire seeking more
To expand a little on my opening point, Alia trys to silence the Naib and says 'these are matters of state', IE, not a matter for open discussion, much less debate. Then inexplicably, she follows that statement, literally minutes later, by letting the cat completely out of the bag with her admission about her plans for the worms. Sooooo, talking about the fate of the worms is a matter of State, but, telling everyone in the room, that she is conspiring to make it difficult for worms to survive except in very limited numbers, is not. Ok...
It's fiction paralleling reality of despot & tyrants, it's nice you morally say it is not okay in the comments. Alia is a character written as power mad gone insane by abomination, and reallife power mad persons with the means care not if they spill the beans admit the dark deeds they do because they don't believe anyone can stop them. That level of madness and evil cares less if their public image or public opinion is damaged.
it also bears mentioning that at this point Alia is nearly entirely under the persuasive power of the spirit of her grandfather, Baron Harkonnen. Alia might not see the destruction of the worms as the destruction of Atreides rule but that most certainly is the true intent of Baron Harkonnen. He is manipulating her fear, insanity, and lust for power to wreck a final revenge upon House Atreides and the children of Muad'dib.
You do know that Alia was possessed by her dead grandfather Baron Harkonnen, right? He hated the Atreides and this was his revenge on them. Read the book!
Between you and A Song Of Ice And Fire I'm going to have to reread these
I've posted up the audiobook readings in chunks to not get takendown of Children of Time. GRRM ASOIAF books took the concept of royal/hero savior type main characters of Twins from Dune & Star Wars. He said as a SW fan he too considered what if Luke & Leia stayed in-love sexually despite learning they were twins and from the EU comics they become Emperors rulers like in Children of Dune - If you'd TLDR start [MacMillian audiobook publisher fks hit me with Copyright STRIKES almost removing my channel] here direct audiobook website -- hdaudiobook.com//?s=Frank+Herbert
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still the best Dune production
Back to back! So meaningful among the Fremen
There is a scene in children of Dune that has Leto ll an Ghanima standing back to back its at the end of the movie I have this on DVD but the scene is not there did i imagine it or does that scene exist ive been looming for it
@@girlonfire2.076 It's the wedding prep scenes & start of the Ghanima/Leto confront Alia @ wedding scene that actually just show the twins as mirroring each other front2front. It'd have been nice them back to back declaring their loyalty to each other directly to Farradin's face, but it ends the wedding more broadway stage dramatic panning back from Dead Alia in Mother Jessica's arms.
I saw and actually have this mini-series and do not remember this scene at all. Time to dig both out and rewatch them.
This is in Children of Dune, about midway I think.
No, fo yourself a favor and read the books. The Lynch movie and the TV mini-series misrepresent a lot. And whatever you do, don't read the crao Brian puts out. It's hard to believe he actually loved his father.
I tend to view Brian like Alia, envious greedy attention whore needy brother who was his daddy's lesser loved child. Frank Herbert publicly stated he was traumatized when his FAVORITE son who was gay died. Frank was grooming him to be his successor. After Frank's death Brian pushed his way to be front center and so call continue the franchise for $. Fans have more insight and commentary on Frank's works than Brian has ever interviewed or spoken about.
not having seen this particular film iteration of Dune i'm very impressed with this one
It's from tv series Children of Dune. Not bad, could be better, but it was closest representation of books so far.
Children of Dune what's on SyFy Channel , back in the early 90s , she is the daughter of Paul Atreides , he also had a son who would restore oder
IMDB it, actually CoD was on 2003-4 and the first Syfy Dune mini series was 2000
@@ericpelote998 sister?
Who's sister? Paul or Leto's. the OP comment was about Leto & Ghanima twins bro&sis ergo Paul's son & DAUGHTER
People, people, people. Please read Frank Herbert's book before the movie comes out. Don't rely on David Lynch's movie, or the TV mini-series, or Brian Lynch to tell you what the book is about. Read Frank Herbert's Dune. There are so many problems with the other sources of information, it's like a betrayal of the author.
@@jrvasquez I am also afraid it will fall short of expectations. It's disturbing that so many people think of David Lynch's movie as source material. There are SO MANY problems with his movie that it gives a wrong impression of Frank Herbert's Dune novel is. And that Villenueve describes his movie as Star Wars for adults is very dismaying. It is absolutely NOT Star Wars for adults. Denis, Denis, Denis. I hope you were being hyperbolic.
@@christinemusselman5499 I will be open to it like when I watched all the other Dune films absorbing the way it's being, world bult with production values interpretations, portrayed with the adherence to the book characters story & arc and best effort dialogue. The first SyFy Dune mini-movie I finally couldn't enjoy when it finished or for rewatch because the directing and acting didn't put me 'into' the universe and Dune myth and the production seemed textbook TV staging not emersive. And even when trying to script directly from book scenes or dialogue it was stiff and not emotively moving.
For that I blame THAT production effort's casting and directing that somehow the Syfy execs chooing new producers(I have never fully tried to research who what changed in the sequel) totally made proper needed corrections for the CoD 2nd minimovie. It wasn't perfect but much better to me than either of the 1st book Dune movies, Lynch's or the previous Syfy one.
ATLEAST, even as a whack 80's style LSD trippy dream world, Lynch's DUNE sucks me in, they may not talk exact as books or behave in ways not as described in the books but I fully could believe that fantasy world existed and the core points from the books connections. Most entertaining old scifi you HAVE to ignor the special effect and enjoy It's more fun when it's plain to see inserted=Muppet puppet or stop motion or Matte paintings but realistic than trying to be masked fake uber CGI computer green screens 'lying' that it's real image character. If the final touch up BLURRED the perfect computer lines to make it like our true eye vision like in Game of Thrones, or like in the Syfy ChildrenofDune using Sepia brownish sandy blurring blending green screens and staging, I consider that acceptable.
I'm not a fan of UBER HDD picking out lint, boogers or bugs using 4k def on a massive framed scene. As a Star Trek DS9 fan, I don't want it remastered into ultra HD because some of it's believability comes from the blurred NOIR darker space station feel and the make up sometimes is noticeable if made ultraHDD it auto take you out of serious dramatic scenes of characters(it's a character driven Trek) just so the PEWPEW space battles can look kewl.
@@klyanadkmorr I'm glad you'll be open to it. But I'm afraid you missed the point if you believe Lynch's Dune covered the core points of the book. It didn't. Frank Herbert's message was an examination of the responsibilities and burdens of leadership. Paul's quest to take back Arrakis from the Harkonnens led inexorably to a jihad that killed trillions of people. You can argue that the outcome was worth it, but that is a non-trivial number of people killed because the Fremen were following a charismatic leader. Paul spent all of his time in the Dune books trying to extricate himself from his vision and the jihad, to no avail. Lynch really didn't touch on this wrenching agony that Paul Atreides lived with. He just covered some of the surface events, which is not what Dune is about.
Good to see you're a Star Trek fan. LLAP!
@@christinemusselman5499 Lynch movie was during the time of heroes Star War block busters good guys always goodpure motives which is right to fight tyrannical powers and ended the movie thus. So 'NO' it never went into the Herbert continued drama of the full Fremen galactic empire jihad and Paul being haunted by the dark turn of his rebellion into a cult tyranny if Lynch had including DUNE MESSIAH, which you are faulting Lynch for not including when he only had certain amount of budget and movie length. That's why Syfy Children of Dune was good in displaying that aspect of the novels but just not as dramatic by the actor playing Paul as it should have been imho to explain the deep ethical moral reason of the Golden Path more starkly.
@@klyanadkmorr Paul's visions told him that billions would die. That is why he was so anguished in Dune. It was only in Messiah that he saw his visions come to pass with billions dead, but he already knew it was going to happen. Since he was young on Caladan, 'he was known to have prescient visions that were accurate, penetrating, and defied four-dimensonal explanation.' (Bene Gesserit report) In Messiah, after he had become blind, he knew every step he was going to take and who everyone around him, addressing Stilgar to his face. He knew the entirety of his life and far into the future. It was his anguish and his whole struggle. I'm not concerned with the era in which Lynch made his movie. Dune is not Star Wars. If a comparison is to be made, Dune is like the great David Lean epic classic Lawrence of Arabia.
That casual bullet dodge at @4:15 without even looking.
She probably faced similar situations before.
It’s going to be interesting how Denis Villneuve interprets Alia and possession....
I'm afraid the neo-feminism SJW mentality in recent film media/culture will just have Alia be a kneejerk retaliation to patriarchal anti women suppressive norms & will make Alia without agency but be pure Victim to mean ol man/male uncle Baron Harkonnen - than show the underlying personality of Alia as having a predisposition to dreams of greatness, power and worship jealousy of her older brother such it allowed the buried personality of the Baron easy control access to possess her as she became paranoid about her mother and revolution against her increased totalitarian theocracy she had a CHOICE to STOP that her niece &nephew saw with same genes & historical memories.
@@klyanadkmorr I don’t think Villneuve will allow the stupidity of the PC leftist culture to corrupt the message. Much of what Herbert throughout most of his stories warns against so called saviours. The PC leftists are no better than any of the religious zealots from the far right preaching their theology to unwilling passerby’s. There is a certain zeal to the extreme academic ideologies and the various faiths, all have the same hallmarks of despotism and all are willing to commit to violence to achieve their way. Human history is full of such examples from the Crusades to the current Jihads and from Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich to the Roman Empire. Slavery, subjugation, and forced indoctrination are the tools employed by charismatic leaders... as they ride in on their shining steeds...
@@klyanadkmorr ONLY Denis can get Alia right. And truthfully.
Any half-Decent ruler knows Not to argue with your high officials in public ...!
This is the most beautiful mystery about the human nature fans, having memories about the future, having the imagination about things that are about to be invented, just like Mother Earth should call us, which kind of future do we want? Enjoying building up stories , imagination, visions about the future is helping us to evolve, to improve ourselves, to manage our human potentialities the best we can. Still too much people is wasting too much time on being evil, on damaging the others, on being envious and holding back things, trying to keep us freezed, a huge waste of time, opportunity and chances, think about it fans
Wow, this looks way better than Dune from then.
I would like to see this entire series.
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This shows how Jessica really messed things up. Had she only followed the BG plan in the beginning…
....wait...the Borg Queen...?
@@hoshinoutaite Ah damnit, I wish Krige had been Jessica in the first mini series, she portrays Jessica so much better.
We are the Fremen.
Lower your shields and surrender your spice.
Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to the tribe.
Your culture will adapt to service the sietch.
Resistance is the will of Muad'Dib.
I love this scene so much. I legit watch it constantly, does anyone know where the music from this scene falls in the soundtrack?
I don't know off top of my head You can search ?guess here, - CoD soundtrack th-cam.com/play/OLAK5uy_knq3w8RRZLpxJuWoLJrQSjtIDVOjkFUU4.html
I love Dune. One of my favorites. I intend to look this up. I’ve never seen this movie.
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klyana130 Thank you so much! Looks good
God, it depresses me that everyone in these comments (or most everyone) got their information from the Lynch movie or the TV mini-series and not the book. PLEASE do yourself a favor and read the book!
ITA! It's good to remind push people to READ the original books (especially ONLY Frank's books not his sons' ITA crap) but like me some people understand deep mythic stories like LOTR etc and don't have immediate time to read thru the 6 books that even more intricate than A Song of Ice & Fire(I HAVE NOT READ THAT SERIES, only TLDR pick up stuff from book&TV reviews&Wikis and deep essays but I don't goto sites actually being opinionated as if I know the books vs TV show.).
--- I've offered these clips with telling people needing incentive
*to sub to Ideas of Ice & Fire[ th-cam.com/play/PLRXGGVBzHLUdsgN_vFaZmfjc6bXxPqajV.html ]] who expertly reviews reads thru classic scifi. With all of that you can TLDR Cliff notes most of DUNE, and only truly lazy won't FINALLY just READ them.
damn right! i am rereading the first 6 books again! for the "i lost count" of how many times
i am currently in "god emperor" (my personal fave)
I have only read the latest comments and did not have that feeling, but you're absolutely right anyway!
Great, my very fav is Heretics.
I ain't readin no fucking book NERD. Just Joking
The Borg queen gets around, aka Alice Krige.
Alice Krig in the house!!
We need this new Dune movie/series/2-parter to be the perfect blend of FH, Lynch's ambition and many of his (even non-canon) unparalleled scenes (LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!), and the faithfulness of this series and many of its equally powerful scenes.
This recent hiring of Jason Momoa has suddenly soured me & Josh Brolin, both comicbook action actors I could do without. Not many know of Bautista and I've seen him do great in his little bit in Blade Runner, not so with Jason who's ave. def not a Duncan. Brolin seems everywhere. If going for big names get quality stage/drama actors who can do action. So disappointed as it seemed idiot Brian Herbert is pushing the casting to studio ratings profits than quality epic.
@@klyanadkmorr I was pretty alright with the cast until they picked Momoa. The man is likeable, sure. But he's not a good, seasoned actor like the rest of the cast. He has one mode, which is "tough, rough-around-the-edges bro". He's clearly a studio pick.
Keeping with my love for both James McAvoy & Tom Hardy winners of 2008? BAFTA young actors.
TOM HARDY as DUNCAN IDAHO, would have been EPIC!
klyana130 well, it wouldn’t be the first time Brian Herbert has RUINED DUNE
@@klyanadkmorr I think you should give Momoa the benefit of the doubt. Duncan is described as tall, having brown skin, curling dark brown hair, high cheekbones upon which sit "cave-sitter" eyes. Frank Herbert wrote that it was difficult to tell if his eyes were blue or green. Momoa is tall, brown skinned, wavy brown hair, high cheekbones with what can be described as cave-sitter eyes. His eyes are green but it's difficult to tell if they're green or light brown. Duncan is a sword master of the Ginaz. Momoa has practiced sword fighting extensively for some of his movies. He had a sword fight in Aquaman and it was impressive. At Villenueve's request, he shaved his iconic beard for the movie (which mostly upset his leagues of fans). Now that the filming of his part is complete, he's growing it back. Duncan is about 35 in the book, Momoa is 39. He pretty much fits the general physical parameters of Duncan Idaho. Momoa is very tall. There is no mention of Idaho's height in Dune. From reading all six of Frank Herbert's books, there is some indication that he's tall but that's it. (I don't consider any of the dreck Brian Herbert has written as reliable source material for Dune. I swear, the way he betrays his father's ideas you would think he doesn't like him.) Momoa fits the description better than Richard Jordan in Lynch's movie. I like Richard Jordan, but he didn't fit the description of Idaho at all. I think Momoa's acting is equal to the task. As to Brolin, I don't have a strong opinion either way. However, I believe he will be a better Gurney Hallack than Patrick Stewart. I love Stewart, but he was very wooden in Lynch's Dune. This is probably because of Lynch. He is not an actor's director. Kyle MacLaughlin suffered from lack of adequate direction as well. What a mess that movie was. I'm disappointed in a number of the casting decisions the Villeneuve has made, but Jason Momoa is not one of them. You should give him a chance.
Many things to praise in this production , however, in this scene I remember in the book Jessica uses the Voice against Alia, and here we don't see those details. The scene left me wanting to hear Jessica's fabled abilities with the Voice. Strange the filmmakers did not include it here.
But DIDN'T YOU LOVE Jessica's near voice-like BeneGesserrit hand slashing control to shut up the priest!?♥
They use a mild 'voice' effect slightly in the Scene with ☺Gramma Lady Jessica talking to LetoII trying to elicit & control responses from him only for him to turn around & VOICE bellow shut her down in response. -th-cam.com/video/nnm5wdGMevU/w-d-xo.html
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I'm probably not remembering well, Syfy barely used any audible effects for THE VOICE in even the earlier Syfy DUNE except for Paul in key famous scenes. Their bad decision but it is hard conceptually & many remember the weird way it was done in the 80's DUNE film.
@@klyanadkmorr Yes, the actress playing Jessica acted magnificently, it felt almost as if she was using the Voice now that you mention it. I guess I just loved the old Voice effects in the 1984 film, even though they sounded weird. I agree with you; not easy to portray that on film. This version seems magnificent anyway, I haven't seen it all but I will. I already stared searching for other scenes and yes I did notice the Voice was used, and I think the effect was very interesting.
That 2nd link is my Children of Dune&Dune topic links playlist so you can sort of see the main scenes of the film. After I listened to the book readings, after decades since I last read the books, was surprised how true it was they had worked the script and scenes to follow the book very well & IMHO for a visual movie reworked the timeline & status of characters to make it flow better to watch.
@@klyanadkmorr Thank you, I will check the link! It is kind of funny for me that I just accidentally found out they had made a Children of Dune film (it is a glad surprise). I am a composer and a painter, so I often isolate myself from the world (so I miss things like a film that came out I should be a fan of) I read all 6 books (Dune- Dune Chapterhouse). In English, Tolkien & Herbert are my favorite writers (and also Ursula Leguin). Thank you for all the information you are giving me :).
No one can be aware of everything or keep track, happy to have resources for fans of similar likes. Since you are a composer then you hopeful will love the soundtrack by a award winning composer who is a young John Williams in his grasp of orchestra and depth of themes, instruments and melody. Brian Tyler deserves better films than the MCU Avengers/Transformer movie he moved to later on. The composer for Game of Thrones kinda copies Tyler's style if you listen, imo but it's fantasy derived Middle Eastern/N.African/Indian Mediterranean in spirit.
Children of Dune Soundtrack th-cam.com/play/PLAA2B93987C16DBB9.html
Pretty sure Highlander 2 got it's dialogue from Dune
oh she just pulled a matrix move lol
I need to reread the first book and continue with the rest soonish. I remember watching this series when I was young and loving it despite not knowing it was from a book. I read the first book last year and now I need to refresh my memory before continuing with the rest.
If you TLDR here is links to audio reads of the Dunes series deleted
- *Fucking got taken down by copyright lodged against the uploads, I blame myself posting the links elsewhere for people want to quick learn DUNE*
or the overview interp reads by 'Ideas of Ice&Fire' -- th-cam.com/play/PLRXGGVBzHLUdsgN_vFaZmfjc6bXxPqajV.html
That's cool. I experienced the same with the first SciFi miniseries in 2000, based on the first book. Come on! I hope you enjoy the first novel again, as well as the next books. They are absolutely gorgeous.
If you TLDR here is links to audio reads of Children of Dune series
hdaudiobook.com//?s=Frank+Herbert
eta 9/21 My TH-cam Children of Dune Audiobook upload - th-cam.com/video/wMVZoTFyzf4/w-d-xo.html
Alice Krige stepped into the role of Lady Jessica and owned it. Saskia Reeves played Jessica in the first mini-series and was just awful. Replacing her with Krige was a smart move, but they should have cast her in the first mini-series. She always carries a great presence in any production she's in.
Alice Krige was originally cast to play Jessica in the first DUNE mini series but her schedule couldn't allow her to so that's why Saska Reeves got the role. Saska wasn't horrid but was similarly weak like the new actress in the DUNE 2021 is weeping and crying every second unlike a strong Bene Gesserit. Even the somewhat geeky Lynch Dune actress had a sense of regal power of a BG Sister. ITA Krige owns Jessica Atriedes portrayal the best.
I kinda feel both of them consistently portayed Jessica at those points of her life. Saskia being the younger, impulsive(giving birth to a son, truly loving Leto), elegant BG, while Alice is the older, more mature, desert and battle hardened fremen. It actually makes me a little unsure if either actress can play the othet's specific role i.e. if Saskia can be as harsh as Alice, of if Alice can be as tender as Saskia.
It also just happened that they don't look alike enough to prevent the shift from looking a little too jarring.
@@klyanadkmorr Of course, the incomparable Siân Phillips as Helen Gaius Mohiam in the Lynch Dune was just the best IMHO. She'd had will to (among other things) seduce the Baron Harkonnen in order to produce Jessica. Small wonder that she was so furious with Jessica for betraying her duty and having a son instead of a daughter. Paul was supposed to marry Harkonnen's half-brother's son Feyd-Ruatha (Paul's own first cousin) and then have a son who would be the likely Kwisatz Haderach.
I understand Alice was the first choice
I didn't know the Borg queen actress played Dune now I want to watch it.
Actually the Syfy channel sequel to DUNE was Children of DUNE combining Dune Messiah&CoDune books into th 3day 6hrs movies. For free you can watch website directly or Download from the Links to my Google files where it's stored.
zontarmedia.blogspot.com/2021/
I finally figured out spices is worm poop...
Granted I liked this season but the effects were rather primitive need improvement perhaps an updated version for DVD?
An Cool and Sad Story my friends. Thanks.
Thanks Again.
That whole room should be full in nothing but blue on blue eyes, except for the troubadour who didn't actually live on Dune.
Also, that guy supposed to 6',6"
built like John Cena with hair to his waist...... I really don't like most novel to film adaptations because they really are kind of just terrible.
agreed, I also think the blue should effect the white of the eye, not the iris.
Holy Worm Leto II, is that Pavel Kříž?! O.o
YUP, Looked him up, and it is true like I posted for another clip, this was filmed in Czech filming studios using local actors & extras besides other Meditarranean French Greek Italian actors for the 'look'(various countries are vying for Hollywood $ & E. European ones have 'the look' for alot of fantasy generic Europe period piece films.
cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_K%C5%99%C3%AD%C5%BE
www.osobnosti.cz/pavel-kriz.php
jasne ze je. v obou miniseriich jsou desitky ceskych hercu a komparzu.
04:15 epic dodge didnt see it coming at all (new to dune )
It's Bene Gessrit Weirding expert sensing physical response reaction. It's just 100x better/faster from training breeding than when you hear/see sense a fly and auto swat it actually connecting to kill it. It's the type of sports training to learn to auto react and not take it into upper cognitive 'thinking' which slows you down. It's why I was so good in martial arts tournaments, I practiced with this mindset of from DUNE(my instructor was a Dune fan too).
Awsome :) cant wait to learn more about dune
@@user-jf4if6vx9e Look up Quinn Ideas(th-cam.com/users/QuinnsIdeas) his DUNE reviews summary FYI as deep fan
Also in the above ABOUT-Show More or in My Pinned Comment - I also have a link to my blog Google Drive of DUNE PDFs/books & audiobooks
Or finally just Wiki Dune novels(NOT franchise new crap) or Frank Herbert DUNE
Alia looks like Nefertiti with that headdress...
I mean Lady Jessica DID choose to take the water while pregnant, she can't really blame her daughter when she knew the odds she would be an abomination...
Yeah how dare she when the only other option was BOTH her & Alia are killed for their water as useless, Paul was given an option to learn fast become a member or die.
She moved as fast as some of my former work mates when they hear that work might be coming they way 😁.
Ummmmmm what did the Fremen think was going to happen with the whole "cache a shit ton of water to terraform the planet into something that isn't a barren hellscape plan"?
Some obviously didn't understand plants would start to grow crazy or it was deadly to the worms. It wasn't until late into Kynes research found after his death and Paul/Leto thru presience started to see the worm, little makers, spice blows and water wells disappearing connections - Alia kinda sensed it while pushing the terraforming changes. That the full worm cycle producing the spice needing a no water planet was not understood until Paul, Alia & Ghanima/Leto. How much no one understood the cycle for centuries is one aspect I think Frank could have explained better.
klyana130 I think Kynes was sent to Arrakis to park him in a dead end job. If water on planet=clouds and water plus ground=plants were unknowns to him then he couldn't have been the best planetologist the Empire had. For the Fremen I have to assume they thought they would transform the planet into mud.
The Fremen really didn't understand that process, though, or that that sort of thing would or could happen. They had been on Arrakis for a very long time prior to the original Dune (I think at least a couple thousand years), and before that they planet-hopped just to end up there. There was plenty of time, especially due to their almost total paucity of tech even compared to the other human societies in the DUNE universe, for their successor generations to basically forget all that was about anywhere else.
@@gargoyles9999 Kynes knew, Kynes understood to a degree how spice and worm are connected, and Kynes and his Fremen friends started terraforming the planet. First water caches, then when there's enough, stabilize the sand dunes first at the wind side, with resilient weeds. once sand does not move, it can become soil. sand is full of minerals and plants need water and sunlight, that's it. no brown soil or anything. Dune has two problems - water distributed unevenly in the system, and moving ground.
Respect the Desert's AUTHORITAH!
4:07 I enjoyed the story and the acting, but that "We will have a corner on the scarcest commodity in the universe" seems very... UGH! Bad delivery.
It is kind of nice to see Alice Krige playing a "good" character, in Jessica.
#nice
Was there any vision which could save Alia? She solely tries to protect the empire after Muadib left.
Lol really? Thank God... my apologies, goddess.
No. Her die was cast in the womb. She was poisoned by her own mother, abandoned by her family on Arrakis, left in charge of power that should never have been given to her, and allowed to fester into abomination, a teenage girl possessed by the soul and memories of her debauched, depraved, psychopathic grandfather.
I know you won't like this but the books are better.
Duh
Sounds like the Gates worms 🪱 he won't feed his abominations.
Someone should ask Daniela Amavia to play Alia as a voice actress in the audiobooks.
Alia was just bad to the (Harkonnen) bone!
Alia Atriedes was mad.
Looks like Game of Thrones stole this set
I like to get high and look around at my subjects
History of Earth?
the new dune movie makes me fear for the sanity of our people
Alia would have been pleased that the God Emperor did what she wanted 😂
What the Baron wanted was only ultimate power to enslave all thru Alia & the perversion of Muadib's religion by the spice being reduced by destroying the desert, Leto II the God Emperor did the same action as a tool means to evolve the human race past needing it and eventually bred humanity's genetic ingrained ability to fully make decisions based on full ancient DNA within knowledge and not fallable corruptable worshiped leader or government. Similar like the way each cell in fungal molds have stem like genetic ingrained ability to adapt change as needed to benefit the whole organism per the environment. Ergo the human race spread like spores to be freed and start again on many planets space to never be subject under the power of one.
Using present day situation solved by God Emperor breeding would be the inherent knowledge from eras of human pandemic deaths disasters to stay at a distance and wear a covering to stop spread of germs & increased getting them VS have to be told with laws enforcing that.
@@klyanadkmorr except all that "knowledge" about social distancing and face coverings was a lie. Everyone had to get the virus and eventually everyone did. It was a particularly nasty truth, and the powers that be were to dishonest to just tell us that. The price is a generation of kids who had their humanity and social interactions and learning destroyed for nearly two years. There will be a collective memory for THAT that will go forward from the pandemic.
@@readmedottext everyone says Paul was unwilling, but Paul was unable to as well. Leto was a descent of Keynes and therefore had implicit knowledge of his plan for Arrakis, Paul did not.
Esimene ancient hoor
Vvvaaaauuuuuu!!!!!
Why would they not get the same woman to return to play Lady Jessica/???
I guess they were not smart enough to figure out how to do the blue in blue eyes.
LOL, whut? Did you not see Alia's blue within blue eyes?
They didn't have the budget to do Jessica's eyes like they should have but overall they did well with the eyes on the kids and Alia.
I think it's more something from the books.
so the spice is worms poop ?
It's the fungal poop of deep underground sandtrout (larval form of the sandworms), that comes into contact with water underground and bursts to the surface eventually (pre-spice), where the heat and air turn it into spice mélange.
Sandworms eat sand, inorganic material and sift out sand-plankton.
why is Kim Kardashian sitting on the throne?
The way they have the actress play the character of Alia, she's about as DRAMA QUEEN as a Kardashian. Didn't like her take way of portraying her.
Who?
ooo borg queen
For me, she will always be Palicidia, the powerful mother of the Roman Emperor.
Why doesn't aliea have blue eyes?
ALIA does have blue eyes in most all early scenes but for that time unfortunately the eye tracking cgi would get dropped by whatever software in scenes. Does NOT take away from a honest well produced near to canon scripting of the Dune books this film accomplished. It's a nitpick. Lynch Dune had lots of blue eyes but barely followed the book, though Frank was just happy to have his work onscreen since George Lucas had gotten away with major copyright infringement lawsuit putting out the Star Wars movies constantly lifting things from DUNE universe. But most modern scifi is coopting using old scifi writers' works without giving homage, unlike GRRM who atleast does openly admit his love influences to Tolkien, Dune, Lovecraft & EVEN Star Wars(Twins in love possible sex) saying he was a geek.
I just couldn't get into the actress portraying Alia. She had one emotional level, petulant. Liked everything else about the production
Totally agree. She's a weak actress, but it could also be the direction she was given.
Is it just me or does this look like the set on Game Of Thrones?
i was thinking the same thing. looks like the throne room of the red keep
Clue, from time of humanity of empires and tribal leaders to Emperors and Despots.... THRONES HAVE BEEN ON PLATFORMS, BIG RIDICULOUS CHAIRS THEY SAT IN and seats on sides for helpers or coleaders. GoT nor this show is new, the production people copied HISTORY
It looks to me like the Games of Thrones is like Dune.
Well most well versed scifi lit fantasy readers and even Georges Lucas and R.R. Martins have admitted they've read and amired DUNE and key idea concepts. Ergo so much of both of their fictional work has MAJOR DUNE allusions, not just Tolkien or Sat nite scifi action movies. You are not alone.
Their pronunciations bother me.
Ya I wasn't big on those in this miniseries, either. "Fuh-dye-kin" is probably my most hated pronunciation, though that is consistent with the DUNE audiobook readings. But I have always preferred "Har-KOE-nen" to "Hark-inen", "fade-a-keen" to "fuh-dye-kin", etc.
@@SurelyYewJest fedaykin it is written, how can you pronounce it "fade-a-keen" smh . ay ey oy are fairly used transliterations of nonenglish sounds of letters, the ay is clearly pronounced as in might, bite etc.
why has the daughter become evil?
Wiki Dune books series
Horrible acting from the daughter. She should study Alice Krige, she’s awesome!
The actress playing Alia is terrible.