I can tell you what happens if you don't have the car on external power... after a certain amount of time the ECU turns off. Mine turned off in the middle of the tune and bricked the ECU. Big fun! Fortunately I was able to reflash it with the stock ECU firmware, and now everything is great. I did ECUTEK and wished I had done Versatuner. It's cheaper and looks more straightforward. My tuning experience sucked bad enough I scrapped the video I made on it. The car is definitely better but getting there was really frustrating.
@@FJB8646 This is especially important on ND1 and ND2. ND has a small battery, and the ND2 stock firmware backup takes an hour or so to backup. Ensure that your laptop is on a charger and power saving features are disabled so it doesn't go into sleep mode while backing up the stock firmware or flashing the new tune. To reduce battery drain, keep the doors closed, radio, seat warmer, AC, etc. off.
Very needed material as an full stock NC2 owner looking for some upgrades, but it would be nice if you test the car on dino and compare the results. Cos everything seems to be quite subjective. Greeting from Poland! 😊
@@jaczek07 I was talking about the full AEM cold air tube. It brings the air entry point out of the engine bay and just below the front bumper cover. The stock intake systems usually have H-chambers and such in them to stop the induction noise from the factory.
I wonder if anyone keeps the snap, crackle and pop?! Any way, I have an 2016 ND with a BBR 190 upgrade, (I live in the UK) headers, exhaust, cold air intake and remap. It brings the car to life, makes it so much more fun to drive. I would recommend this type of upgrade to anyone who wants a more engaging driving experience. Well worth the money!!! Thanks for the vid.
Did I miss it? Other than the subjective feel and the popping of the exhaust, what was the torque and horsepower power increase? What difference is the power band like? Btw, love the black and white design of your Nc.
If I did my research well enough he didnt even scratch beneeth the surface. On free license ypu can only look at data, lite version allows you to flash maps from them and their partners, unfortunately I'm not sure right now about how big or small database are we talking. For $250 cca for lite it is cheaper option than V3 ( forgot the name) which is around 800(?)-1200, doesnt matter if € or $. If they can make database wide enough for different use of your car then this is usefull. Btw adapter from ecu to usb is 50 and Bluetooth is 150 cca and cost of windows djevice if you dont have any. But in general looks something worth trying😊
Great vid! Is it necessary to relocate the O2 bung if your tuning a completely stock NC2 or is that because you had already installed an aftermarket header?
I have an 08 NC1. I had Joe at Dynotronics do a “93 octane” remap on mine after install of Goodwin Catted header, Helmholtz midpipe and Super Q muffler… three years ago.. it was money well spent. I’d really like to go with a supercharger but I’m not trusting Kraftwerks.. rather have a FM or a Jackson but sadly they don’t exist anymore
I think - based on what you showed on the screen - you installed the agressive setup. Mild could be better. Interesting how easy it seems to be. Any dyno prove for the power increase?
I guess I was a bit misleading with that footage. I installed the aggressive (didn't film it), then mild, then aggressive, then basic performance, etc. Tried them all quite a bit before filming the review on the mild one. Mild was still drastically too much, but I have further instruction from VersaTuner to maybe tweak that, for another vid! No dyno results, but it's guaranteed power and feels incredible with header/tune combo. I can't speak for power with tune alone, but I would highly stress people just do both at once. Wish I had years ago.
After 5 months where do you stand with this tune? Any regrets? Anything you wish you wish you chose instead? Should I save for a custom tune instead? Gonna change my headers soon so I’d be happy to hear any new thoughts
No regrets! It’s been great, no issues. After getting it dialed in with Bryan at Fab9, maybe the best place to start is to get the tune kit and custom tune directly from him. Let him know I sent you!
@@FlywheelFilmsdo you know which ones come with an LSD? I have a 07 NC PRHT GT. the dealership said yes it does when I asked but they also took my entire down payment and used it on "dealer fees" lol so I don't have a good reason to trust them.
I'm sold. Next upgrade is the header and tune. I already have the super single helmholtz muffler from goodwin racing. Are you running the stock midpipe? Cheers
Not really, the pops I have on up-shift were there with the header/muffler. But I'll be experimenting with adding a tiny bit of crackle/pop. Future video!
Update: My OBD2 port wiring was fucked, giving me a shitton of codes. Was not versatuners fault, just a wiring issue with my specific nc. i have the versatuner on my nc. it honestly has gave me sooo many issues. Every once in a while the versatuner tune will gove me 12 codes and a christmas tree and then after 45 min its back to normal. IDK its running ok now its just unpredictable. I will get an updated tune from fab9 soon enough
@@barrycomer3688 Update: My OBD2 port wiring was fucked, giving me a shitton of codes. Was not versatuners fault, just a wiring issue with my specific nc.
ugh, so much to absorb and decide. I, unlike most- it seems on here, I do NOT have a unlimited budget for toys or upgrades at my late age of 70yrs old. I just got a 2012 Sport- straight stock. I just want a bit more sound and performance. I am thinking I need to replace the header, the intake(air filter housing) and maybe muffler. I dunno, so many decisions. I just want a bit more aggressive sound (nothing obnoxious). I use my Miata as a daily drive only in the summer (Michigan) and short trips. Not going to be racing or on any track. What is the least expensive thing I can do? (Hope its ok to ask all this here) What do you guys suggest I do first, second and third? Thanks so much!
I would say intake isn't worth it, and most agree. The factory air box is perfectly designed for flow. The tune, header, and muffler are a great combo. The muffler isn't necessary if all you care about is some performance, as that's where the header and tune come into play. Muffler is mostly just for sound. But even the header could improve sound. They're all subtle improvements but it's still an improvement! I would maybe look for a used header and then also source the tune from Fab9 and let Bryan know which header you have.
@@FlywheelFilms Oh THANK you so much for your honest opinion! I will start looking for a used header. AND work with Fab9 as you suggest. Thank you again for the reply. It is very much appreciated!
Flashing a canned calibration to your car and "Tuning" are entirely separate things. Wait till you get your hands on the full license and start editing your own tables :D You'll feel the urge to get a white coat and start laughing maniacally :D
Probably not. From what I know the ECU in NB and NA nannot be flashed like in NC and ND so your only option is expensive aftermarket ECU. Thats why all more heavily modded NBs and NAs have aftermaket ECU.
so i have an nc1 with goodwin 2.0 headers,super q exhaust, upgraded midpipe and a cosworth m62 supercharger. when i am doing tune do you have to tell what mods you have or will it recognize the mods ?
Unfortunately there’s not really a way for a tune (as far as I know) to know what mods are there. I can recommend VersaTuner and working with someone like Bryan from Fab9. He has a lot of experience tuning for various mods and builds.
yeah, that was a lot of cracking & popping. can versatuner run on a (strong) tablet? I don't have a laptop. yup. went to their website. tablest will work. pardon my fail. tho it seems to require a WINDOWS tablet, not Android. Reading Is Fundamental.
@ekw555 maybe you can have a buddy come over and use their laptop for about 25 minutes, its a very easy and fast process and they could just uninstall the versatuner software afterwards.
@@nyaata41 not only don't I have any friends w/ laptops, I don't even have any friends, lol. but, I will figure something out. or get a cheap Windows tab or laptop
Never ever use a flash map. Get a custom tune from a pro using a dyno. Yes it costs more but if you can't afford £400 for a map you shouldn't be modifying in the first place
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i ran the aggressive on my straight piped nc club and it was so fun. always shot flames
It gets even better after datalogging and letting Bryan at Fab9 dial it in. I get some mild off throttle crackle and pops which is just what I want.
I can tell you what happens if you don't have the car on external power... after a certain amount of time the ECU turns off. Mine turned off in the middle of the tune and bricked the ECU. Big fun! Fortunately I was able to reflash it with the stock ECU firmware, and now everything is great. I did ECUTEK and wished I had done Versatuner. It's cheaper and looks more straightforward. My tuning experience sucked bad enough I scrapped the video I made on it. The car is definitely better but getting there was really frustrating.
What do you guys mean by having the car on external power?
@@FJB8646 Having the vehicle battery connected to mains power, by means of a battery charger/conditioner.
@toddlp1767 Having a trickle charger connected to the battery, since the engine has to be off while you are flashing.
@@FJB8646 This is especially important on ND1 and ND2. ND has a small battery, and the ND2 stock firmware backup takes an hour or so to backup.
Ensure that your laptop is on a charger and power saving features are disabled so it doesn't go into sleep mode while backing up the stock firmware or flashing the new tune.
To reduce battery drain, keep the doors closed, radio, seat warmer, AC, etc. off.
@@MiataChannel wait, but what does charger change in respect to ECU turning off? Did your batter get too low, or...?
Great quality video. Definitely an underrated channel.
Very needed material as an full stock NC2 owner looking for some upgrades, but it would be nice if you test the car on dino and compare the results. Cos everything seems to be quite subjective. Greeting from Poland! 😊
Shame on you for buying a part from ROC! 🤮💩🦨🐀
@@charlesosbun9381what does this mean
First start with an AEM cold air. The induction noise is intoxicating letting the stock 2.0 sing up to red line :D
@@sethalton205I've had KN air filter and sounded better, but I use standard to be more safe for engine rn (I guess).
@@jaczek07 I was talking about the full AEM cold air tube. It brings the air entry point out of the engine bay and just below the front bumper cover. The stock intake systems usually have H-chambers and such in them to stop the induction noise from the factory.
I've been looking forward to this one I'm basically taking the same route as you once again thanks for your time and the video
I wonder if anyone keeps the snap, crackle and pop?! Any way, I have an 2016 ND with a BBR 190 upgrade, (I live in the UK) headers, exhaust, cold air intake and remap. It brings the car to life, makes it so much more fun to drive. I would recommend this type of upgrade to anyone who wants a more engaging driving experience. Well worth the money!!! Thanks for the vid.
0:52 made me a subscriber, solid meme reference
Did I miss it? Other than the subjective feel and the popping of the exhaust, what was the torque and horsepower power increase? What difference is the power band like? Btw, love the black and white design of your Nc.
If I did my research well enough he didnt even scratch beneeth the surface. On free license ypu can only look at data, lite version allows you to flash maps from them and their partners, unfortunately I'm not sure right now about how big or small database are we talking. For $250 cca for lite it is cheaper option than V3 ( forgot the name) which is around 800(?)-1200, doesnt matter if € or $. If they can make database wide enough for different use of your car then this is usefull. Btw adapter from ecu to usb is 50 and Bluetooth is 150 cca and cost of windows djevice if you dont have any. But in general looks something worth trying😊
Thumbs up for choosing not to drive a 16 year old's crackle pop tune. nice ride
Great vid! Is it necessary to relocate the O2 bung if your tuning a completely stock NC2 or is that because you had already installed an aftermarket header?
I have an 08 NC1. I had Joe at Dynotronics do a “93 octane” remap on mine after install of Goodwin Catted header, Helmholtz midpipe and Super Q muffler… three years ago.. it was money well spent. I’d really like to go with a supercharger but I’m not trusting Kraftwerks.. rather have a FM or a Jackson but sadly they don’t exist anymore
Not a supercharger, but FM announced they're doing a Turbo Kit for the NC that they'll release next year.
BBR GTI in the uK sells a great supercharger kit with tuning.
One word for you, friend... Rotrex.
I think - based on what you showed on the screen - you installed the agressive setup. Mild could be better. Interesting how easy it seems to be. Any dyno prove for the power increase?
I guess I was a bit misleading with that footage. I installed the aggressive (didn't film it), then mild, then aggressive, then basic performance, etc. Tried them all quite a bit before filming the review on the mild one. Mild was still drastically too much, but I have further instruction from VersaTuner to maybe tweak that, for another vid! No dyno results, but it's guaranteed power and feels incredible with header/tune combo. I can't speak for power with tune alone, but I would highly stress people just do both at once. Wish I had years ago.
Sick man! Quick question will it still do the crackles and gargles with just the versatuner tune and no modified headers ?
Yep, it can! Though I've heard that can damage weak or older cats. Or even new ones if you run it like this for a long time.
After 5 months where do you stand with this tune? Any regrets? Anything you wish you wish you chose instead? Should I save for a custom tune instead? Gonna change my headers soon so I’d be happy to hear any new thoughts
No regrets! It’s been great, no issues. After getting it dialed in with Bryan at Fab9, maybe the best place to start is to get the tune kit and custom tune directly from him. Let him know I sent you!
@@FlywheelFilms How much and what fine tuning did you need to do with Brian? I have their N1 tune.
Does your miata have an lsd ? If not you should definitely swap the stock diff with an rx8 diff, it improves the car so much
Yep! Factory LSD. It's fantastic for my needs. Especially in snow.
@@FlywheelFilmsdo you know which ones come with an LSD?
I have a 07 NC PRHT GT.
the dealership said yes it does when I asked but they also took my entire down payment and used it on "dealer fees" lol so I don't have a good reason to trust them.
I'm sold. Next upgrade is the header and tune. I already have the super single helmholtz muffler from goodwin racing. Are you running the stock midpipe? Cheers
Yep, stock midpipe!
Does it add at least a little bit of cracking sounds on "basic" tune? I want it to crack a little, but not so much :D
Not really, the pops I have on up-shift were there with the header/muffler. But I'll be experimenting with adding a tiny bit of crackle/pop. Future video!
YESSSS!!
do you know if the tune can remove the pesky p0421 engine code after swapping in a header? my header has a high flow cat with o2 sensor bungs
Update: My OBD2 port wiring was fucked, giving me a shitton of codes. Was not versatuners fault, just a wiring issue with my specific nc.
i have the versatuner on my nc. it honestly has gave me sooo many issues. Every once in a while the versatuner tune will gove me 12 codes and a christmas tree and then after 45 min its back to normal. IDK its running ok now its just unpredictable. I will get an updated tune from fab9 soon enough
2009 NC running fine on Versatune.
@@barrycomer3688 Update: My OBD2 port wiring was fucked, giving me a shitton of codes. Was not versatuners fault, just a wiring issue with my specific nc.
California CARB compliant? I read online that flashing the ECU could be an issue with smog testing in CA
No it won't be
ugh, so much to absorb and decide. I, unlike most- it seems on here, I do NOT have a unlimited budget for toys or upgrades at my late age of 70yrs old.
I just got a 2012 Sport- straight stock. I just want a bit more sound and performance. I am thinking I need to replace the header, the intake(air filter housing) and maybe muffler.
I dunno, so many decisions. I just want a bit more aggressive sound (nothing obnoxious). I use my Miata as a daily drive only in the summer (Michigan) and short trips. Not going to be racing or on any track. What is the least expensive thing I can do? (Hope its ok to ask all this here) What do you guys suggest I do first, second and third? Thanks so much!
I would say intake isn't worth it, and most agree. The factory air box is perfectly designed for flow. The tune, header, and muffler are a great combo. The muffler isn't necessary if all you care about is some performance, as that's where the header and tune come into play. Muffler is mostly just for sound. But even the header could improve sound. They're all subtle improvements but it's still an improvement! I would maybe look for a used header and then also source the tune from Fab9 and let Bryan know which header you have.
@@FlywheelFilms Oh THANK you so much for your honest opinion! I will start looking for a used header. AND work with Fab9 as you suggest. Thank you again for the reply. It is very much appreciated!
Flashing a canned calibration to your car and "Tuning" are entirely separate things. Wait till you get your hands on the full license and start editing your own tables :D You'll feel the urge to get a white coat and start laughing maniacally :D
Does Versatune not make a tune for the NB? I can't find anything about it
Probably not. From what I know the ECU in NB and NA nannot be flashed like in NC and ND so your only option is expensive aftermarket ECU. Thats why all more heavily modded NBs and NAs have aftermaket ECU.
so i have an nc1 with goodwin 2.0 headers,super q exhaust, upgraded midpipe and a cosworth m62 supercharger. when i am doing tune do you have to tell what mods you have or will it recognize the mods ?
Unfortunately there’s not really a way for a tune (as far as I know) to know what mods are there. I can recommend VersaTuner and working with someone like Bryan from Fab9. He has a lot of experience tuning for various mods and builds.
what size tires and rims you running? any suspension mods?
225/45r17 on 17x8 et 48 wheels. MeisterR ZetaCRD coilovers. Check out my videos on all of that!^
Is the rolling road video on the cards ???
I'm waiting for that one too. Would love to see what difference it made to the outputs.
I am super interested in doing this. I didn’t realize it was so easy. What do you mean when you say to set the car to external power?
yeah, that was a lot of cracking & popping.
can versatuner run on a (strong) tablet?
I don't have a laptop.
yup.
went to their website.
tablest will work.
pardon my fail.
tho it seems to require a WINDOWS tablet, not Android.
Reading Is Fundamental.
I am here to just tell you that it is correct and it flashes fine on a windows tablet
@@nyaata41 I appreciate that, but my tablet is Android. which is unfortunate in this case.
@ekw555 maybe you can have a buddy come over and use their laptop for about 25 minutes, its a very easy and fast process and they could just uninstall the versatuner software afterwards.
@@nyaata41 not only don't I have any friends w/ laptops, I don't even have any friends, lol.
but, I will figure something out.
or get a cheap Windows tab or laptop
So did you also upgrade your headers?
Yes! Check out my video on that, the Racing Beat header from Moss Miata.
Do you have the stock mid pipe?
Yep!
Why not mention how much it cost????
thats crack
The ionic 6 looks good. Shame its electric :(
Bro holds an ipad and calls it a laptop 🤣
Damn I was hoping no one would notice… I needed a prop. 😂
Oh, no no no!, not good enough without color matching nail polish 💅
Cringe
Yeah I need a tuning video from Ethan to bring a splash of color. :)
Never ever use a flash map. Get a custom tune from a pro using a dyno. Yes it costs more but if you can't afford £400 for a map you shouldn't be modifying in the first place
instructions unclear: two days after I tuned my miat, the police arrived at my home on reported gunshots in the area
plz hlp
the sound would be unbearable for me - were you able to find a tune with good performance but that sounded good too?