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Saw your video on the marketing of the K1C -- correct me if I am wrong, but the reason you want all metal extruder is due to the abrasive nature of carbon filaments. To me as long as you've got all metal components that touch the filament -- that to me is fine, that's what I'd expect from an all metal extruder.
@@RichM1967 yup. Nozzle, heating - all that is that matters. They dropped ball on PR side for sure, but for the 400 bucks that this things sells now, its a steal. Not worse than bamboo, but a bit smaller
I would love to see you do a comparison between the K1C and the P1S. Thx
Fantastic review, Ian! Thanks!!! 😃
The difficulty is going to be to choose between this one and the Max. 😬
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
TPU printing please. Thanks for another great review. I still love the P1S and this review has reinforced those feelings, but it's also good to see other manufacturers push to new heights with their machines! Cheers
Im very much looking forward to receiving mine in the next week. Not retiring my k1, but I needed a second to keep up with terrain and gaming tools for our wargaming club. Running tournaments requires lots of stuff.
I appreciate your review I'm looking into getting my first printer for my fpv needs!
Do not buy a Creality then if you're just getting your feet wet. You'll spend more time tinkering to get it to work than actually using it to make parts.
@@briankale5977 thanks man much appreciated 🙏
@@briankale5977that’s the case for any 3D Printer. I had an Elegoo Neptune 4 that I had to return because I was constantly adjusting the z height and the bed would always go back to being wonky.
When It came time to buy one of the new super fast 3D printers I did not even consider the K1 , I had previously bought seven Creality 3D printers and all had problems that Creality never fixed, in fact in the case of the Ender 5 Plus they made it worse with an update, I bought a Bambu Lab X1 Carbon and am so glad I did, the K1 was riddled with issues and I have forgotten how many redisgns of the extruder they went through and I believe they still have not fixed the warped bed issue!
I am just waiting for people to discover what issues this latest reincarnation comes with
Creality fixes the problem by releasing a new version printer. 😂
@@skelethornbroAnd by that you mean copying the intellectual property of a more successful design 😂😂
I have both the K1C and the Bambu Labs P1S. The K1C is a good printer. Fast with decent quality. In my opinion, the P1S is just a better printer. Better quality prints on the P1S, roughly the same speeds, and an option for the AMS. The price of the replacement parts are very reasonable for the P1S. Good luck finding parts for the K1C. The unicorn nozzle is ridiculously expensive. I also had a really bad experience with the customer service at Creality when purchasing my K1C. When I got my P1S, I was up and running in 15-20 minutes and it hasn't stopped since. the first thing that happen when I took my K1C out of the box is I got a clogged nozzle. I have not had another clog since then so, maybe something was left in the nozzle from the factory? I don't know. It has been a good printer for me and I would recommend it to anyone, but between the two, I choose P1S everyday and 3 times on Sunday. it is just better in just about every way I can think of. You will have to decide whether it is worth the extra money for the P1S.
Great review, Can you please share the link on where you can get the rose file? I'd like to do a test print myself for that model.
Great idea to allow rooting so that the community can make the printer even better
I ordered one yesterday, got the KE 2 weeks again and that's a nice machine as well. Nice Upgrades from my ender 3 pros with skr mini e3 v2 with klipper and direct drives.
I just updated to a K1C from an Ender 3 Pro and my oh my is the K1C such a beautiful beast. It is a hell of a printer and very affordable for all of the options it provides. Love the Print Over Lan option and the camera live view.
definitely love thic upgraded k1 series machine~
It's interesting. I'll wait for a max version as too many things I tend to print can't be printed under 220mm.
What were your retraction and speed settings on K1C and on the Bambu mini?
Comparably fast abrasive filament printing at half the price of the closed source Bamboo. I’ll take it!
Can you print decent carbon quad frames with this printer, and if so which filament would be best, PLA-CF, PA-CF, PET-CF.
Nice review! The other day I’ve printed an dragon with loads of supports. Took me 30 mins to break everything free ;)
The k1c looks like an good upgrade to the k1. The spool in the back is ugly, I’ve done the side mod. Also mostly printing with 0.6mm nozzles. Camera is a must, nice that they include it. Price tho… the orig k1 was 400€ this is 650€…
Tpu prints might look better with orca slicer. Also, for most prints I prefer the pei sheets. Especially for tpu since it comes of easier.
Greets, Mario
From my ssleepless search for a first time 3d printer it looks like the bambulab range are better for those who just want to print and have the printer running like a household appliance. Ive heard so many horror stories of ender 3, k1, and other reality printers that turned my view around from wanting an ender 3 v3 ke to now saving up some more for a p1s.
17:50 What didn't you use? A brim? What's that? Edit: answering myself, a brim is a 3D printed border that extends from the edges of the 3D printed part. Unlike a skirt, the brim is actually connected to the 3D printed part, effectively giving it a greater surface area to adhere to the print bed. Unlike a raft, the brim does not go underneath the 3D printed part's first layer.
Hi Ian, if I can remember from Creality Cloud, Little/Young Yoda got a Stick on his Left Hand (Not Support), which you removed when removing the Support. I’ve very less knowledge on 3D so, I’m not complaining but as myself a Star Wars Fan, I think 💭 you might have missed it. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing your experience as I believe, *_Our World_* is a *_Shared Experience_* … Thanks matey! Cheers!!!
great video... you have link to the bear pls.
The P1S has a bigger build plate and is very quiet after the noise cancellation firmware upgrade. Bambu has AMS, has a much better reliability profile which the K1C will have to overcome. Bambu has a much better slicer, although the Creality one isn't terrible. I recently bought the K1 Max, so I'm not a hater, but calling the K1C better than the P1S is a stretch. It's not even better than the A1 except being a bit faster, open source and enclosed. The A1 is far more polished and sophisticated, plus it also has the AMS (a better version). Just keeping it real, brother.
I went k1 over p1s because the k1 ended up being $300. But I still feel I over paid for it in its current state. I bought it this dec roght before Christmas but it still came with the original hot end and extruder and support is terrible with it all coming from China and took two weeks for them to agree to replace them. However they wanted me to send them my tax information and it would be a warranty claim
@@blue-steel7177 it's definitely less expensive, and that's not nothing. I'm sorry you got one of the older ones, but Creality continues to beta test with buyers, which is not really cool. Hope you get satisfaction by getting your K1 problems straightened out. I think my new K1 Max has the new hot end. I'm replacing it with the Micro Swiss in any case. I've had it about a week, but it's been very solid (after some initial challenges) so I haven't bothered to swap out the hot end yet.
😂😂😂. Shills are 😂😂😂😂.
No it is not much quieter. Stop lying.
And a1 is a fire hazard that is why it is not for sale at the moment.
Talking about rushing the printer out to the market. 😂
Yikes Batman the P1S has a loyal fan base so brave title
Especially when it's not true lmao, qualitatively.
Glazing a printer company, craaaaazy 😂
P1S gets the AMS, so not really a comparison. Plus Creality slicer is mid
@@erroneousbosch lol who uses creality slicer? People use prusa, cura, orca etc.
Fine line between shills and fans nowadays.
Got a link for the vase mode rose, mate?
Hi,
Are you using Orcaslicer with your Creality K1C?
Walksnail vs DJI all over again then ;) Looks pretty good
Is there a k1c max? Gotta go big or go home
Simple reason to buy K1C over is, its $500 cheaper than P1S in Australia.
It's $196 aus cheaper
@@Sillysillylittleman I just realised it see the price with the AMS.
As a k1 owner I would tell them to run to the p1s as fast as possible and forget creality even exists
Why does this video have so many dislikes? Also, I think you got very lucky, because I've never seen that clean of prints on any printer under close light, and yours is just crazy clean.
Because Bambu, while being good in it's own right, has a somewhat rabid fan base.
@@Validole💯%
use needlenose more and not the snips. You will save more fingers and important bits of prints.
Now the K1C Max , then i get one. Nice 👍
K1Max does everything the K!c does and some more.
I love my K1 Max. Micro Swiss sent me their FlowTech hotend upgrade and just sent me their hardened nozzles and its wonderful
@@Madhack2004The K1 Max can print abrasives?
yes @@omegadeepblue1407
@@omegadeepblue1407nope. Not well any ways. It would definitely need modifications to do it well. Mainly the hotend
I had the printer for less than a month before massive issues caused, I believe, by the extruder. 20+ successful prints, then suddenly it starts clicking oddly and printing whispy hair-like strands. I've taken the extruder apart to clean it, I've replaced the nozzle, and I've tried two brand new rolls of filament. Nothing seems to be working. I've reached out to Creality and am now just waiting to see if they will do anything to make it right.
Also, tried their Creality Hyper filament. Cannot recommend. The way it was wound on the spool was awful. I had to keep running into the room to manually free up bound up filament on the spool. After a few failed prints, I manually unwound the remainder of the spool and wound it back onto the spool by hand. I had blisters for days after that.
Was really hoping for a better experience with this company than this. Let's just wait and see if they make things right.
No Thanks as my K1 was a dud! 1st time I turned it on it didn’t 😢 just faint fan sound. It turned out to be an intermittent fault due to kinked ribbon cable to screen. I returned it in exchange fir a new S1 Plus. Fyi the Creality and their local agents support was excellent.
What carbon fiber filament is that?
I'm returning my k1 because of problems with the hotend, what printer should I get?
K1C - $750 (after taxes)
P1S without AMS - $1250 (after taxes)
I need to print ABS so no bedslinger for me. Everyone says bambu is better but the closed source and the extra price is putting me off, is it worth it? I just want to design and print, I need several machines for a farm and can not be constantly fixing them and waiting for spare parts etc.
Prusa MK4
It's a decent printer at best. Needs aftermarket parts to get good. No different than the K1 or K1 Max. Bambu makes a stellar product which I am a fan of. The other company that makes a really good unit, needs a little tweaking, is Qidi. Their printers with the heated chambers and 350 degree hot end are WONDERFUL for ABS, ASA, PA12-CF and the like.
What aftermarket parts does it need?
The K1 series prints good quality prints stock. If you add aftermarket parts, it’s out of want and not necessity. Same for Bambu, aftermarket parts are on the market, but you don’t need them.
Qidi had to re-release the Max 3 because it had so many issues including fried main boards. Not heard much bad about the last release, just reviews. It’s no better or worse than the other two based on reviews.
"Needs aftermarket parts to work", yeah sounds like a crap Creality release to me.
@@briankale5977 it doesn’t, have a K1 max with 800 printing hours. All stock. Well I did change the nozzle to print CF.
Better than I can say about the pos ender 7 and 5 plus that’s collecting dust.
If bambu makes such a stellar product then why is their support so busy? Why I have a 1400$ paper weight on my table all because of the hot end board. It's been 1 month already Karl!. And had already changed my hotbed. And it is like a day of work to do so. While on k1 is an hour.
Go shill somewhere else.!😂
Would you suggest the k1c or flashforge 5m pro? They are the same price for me.
I have the flashforge 5m pro and im sending it back to amazon. With the k1c on sale, and the software limitations of the 5m pro with the flashforge software, its really lacking for beginners who don't know how to custom setup every little detail about it on a better software.
@@robsp32 thanks for letting me know
that bad print looks like it was too hot and wet. but if its the same roll of filament, obviously one does better
Hey Ian. What's the name of the Teddy bear? I'd like to print that for my daughter.
I’ll find the file. It’s on thingiverse.
www.thingiverse.com/thing:150431
All you have to do is change the nozzle to print abrasive filaments. 😂
Never thought my journey into starting 3d printing would have a part of it where Peter Pettigrew gives me an indepth analysis.
Spools on the back are a dealbreaker for any printer. Lol, most people back these up to a wall. That's an ergonomic nightmare.
Better than P1S? So where is a AMS for it?
Ohh so ever p1s comes with ams?
Lol. Shills are funny.
You can get a 3d chameleon and it is cheaper.
I don't know if you can call this 'better' than the P1S. The P1S has a significantly larger builder volume and multiple colour/material support (AMS). Bambu printers are more expensive however.
If your comparing this to a BL P1S without AMS, its only $150 more. Personally I feel the ability to have up to 16 spools available for multicolor prints, the P1S seems like the better choice.
There are many things better on the K1C though. The carbon capability, the camera, the local printing mode is much better. OS and Rootable. It’s all down to what you need.
and for 35 euros P1S prints carbon@@MadRC
@@MadRCcould you do a test with a useful carbon fiber filament like Nylon. Other creator tested it and it snapped in the ptfe tube because their design. Would be nice to see confirmation if it can or can’t do it properly.
@@MadRCany printer can print carbon fiber filament, literally, just change the nozzle from brass to hardened steel, or if you print nothing but abrasives, grab a ruby...for the rest of us, cheap ass brass works perfect👌
Comparing the same print on 2 different printers and using 2 different slicers doesn’t really prove much one way or the other. I can slice something in Prusaslicer and in Orcaslicer and they come out differently on the same printer.
Does the app still have ads?
Yes. Very much so
I can print better TPU on Ender 3 std with a couple of easy mods.
Now I don't have opportunity to see the KIC in the flesh and know for sure but from what I can see from this review and as a P1S owner the choice is still a no brainier. P1S all the way. The list of reasons is large and not going to bother listing them here. But one example and you didn't really cover it in your review but the Bamboo is dead simple to repair, not that it needs to be worked on very often, if a problem arises and the parts are dirt cheap. I have my doubts that the K1C could hold up to the Bamboo in that regard.
Well remember the k1c now has a proprietary hot end. So it's going to cost even more and have fewer third party upgrades. I can buy a microswiss or trianglelabs hot end my k1. But as Nathan builds robots shows they aren't compatible on the k1c
@@blue-steel7177 That's true. The bamboo HE is proprietary as well but again they are dead reliable, so far, and cheap to boot. I bought a couple as spares and have yet to use them although I've only had my Bamboo for about 6 months. Have printed a ton of stuff in that time though.
That dosnt look "better than bambu". What makes the bambu "next gen" is not that they can heat 10° more or are 5% faster oder have 10% more build volume or a bit better hardened extruder. The problem with printers for a long time now is, that you constantly have to try, to fiddle, to tweak. Bit more temp, bit less retract, bit more flow,another nozzle, why does Z wobble, why is the printbed uneven, this filament dosnt work for me, maybe this, maybe that. The bambu ends that. Your order is "print that with abs" you press play and .. it does.
The Creality is a quite ok "cheap clone" of an core xy bambu, and it does ,what was the problem all the time it is "giving problems" Not long after launch already mixed reviews and a new revision is sold and people start changing this and that and optimizing it. I am done with that i am not keen for another science project i just want to print. Bambu does that.
This is a perfect example of why the Bambu Lab printers are preferred - the constant fiddling, testing, troubleshooting and experimenting on most 3D printers is frustrating. I love my Bambu Lab's printer too for being able to simply print something with default settings. But your description of the problems tied to 3D printing is dead-on accurate - not everyone wants to constantly fuss with these printers despite what most die-hard enthusiasts (and reviewers) assume.
I would agree but after the first day of use i had to tweak the belts and rods of my P1S, so Bambu can have it's details too, also add that is common for P1's to come with a warped bed
@@omegadeepblue1407 I didn't encounter those issues on my X1C but I'm sure those issues happen (as they have to me with other brands). But there's a difference between Bambu Labs and Creality depending on the model imo.
lol except the "fiddling and tinkering" of printers ended 7 years ago when prusa launched the MK3. I can unbox and start printing perfectly on an MK3 in less than 20 mins. 10 secs of Z adjustment and done. I haven't touched my Z offset in 5 years man and after 25k hours...
I should have bought a MK3 from the start years ago. But most beginners aren't going to pay for the MK3 or a Bambu Lab printer. They're going to start off cheaper and lose their minds like I did. Even the Sovol SV06+ had bad parts out of the box and I rarely got a clean print completed@@LilApe
The extruder is not all metal, its identical to the latest k1 extruder with the white coupler, still has pom gears inside. The hotend however is all new. My k1 had the big feet, honestly underwhelming product, the new hotend is a back step, certainly considering not even chep can get a spare. 😢
I have seen the teardown however something does not add up as Creality are clearly stating it’s all metal. I have a feeling that unit that Vector 3D had was not right.
Looks like they looked at the Bambu printers and added the same features- so playing catch-up I think……
There is a easily changeable nozzle? 😂 You should have opened it and check yourself instead of showing the images from the website which are far from real. My K1C has a fully screwed proprietary nozzle which can’t be changed without tools. That’s a real backstep from the volcano nozzles of the regular K1.
It’s a bolt off full piece as shown . It’s not exactly hard, neither I or Crealty said toolless. The Bambu has the “toolless” change but that’s got its quirks. Hell even Revo needed something to grip it at times.
@@MadRCCreality said „one handed quick swap“ and all images are far from real. Other channels are also confused about this nozzle and tried to „quick swap“ in vain. The new K1C is nice, but the nozzle is a real disappointment for all people who need to change often between 0.2, 0.4 and 0.6 nozzles like me. I expected a real quick swap nozzle like advertised on all pictures.
@@BrickMeetcurious what you print with 0.2 nozzles? I've use 0.4 for everyday and 0.8 and 1.0 for giant stuff that was going to take more than a day to print or for vase mode prints
@@Fly_High_FPVFrom tabletop RPG world, 0.2 mm is for stuff like miniatures, where detail is king (due to small overall dimensions), while 0.6, 0.8 is good for printing scenery details.
lol i love how all of the failed prints and errors "are not the fault of the printer" hahaha
Better than the P1S... I don't think so!
Just be careful not to run carbon fiber filament in the carbon fiber printer since it snaps in the tube and if you don’t notice it might heat creep and mess up your nozzle like in Nathan Builds Robots review 😂
I saw that video before this one. I don’t think that’s what caused the creep. It’s direct drive, it would have kept pulling the filament past the break.
If he had AI on, it would have stopped the print when it detected air printing.
I think he had some wet filament.
@@gaxon1920he used CF Nylon which is just very rigid and maybe the melt zone is long so the filament was past the gears. Creality is kinda known for rushing printers out and then iterating with fixes so likely will be able to handle it properly if you buy in a few months after launch lol
The Bambu would suffer the same issue. This is more run the filament from above
from de comments i can tell the bambulab created an army of of fanboys apple style. Ordered yesterday an ender3 v3.
cannot be better without multi-color
At least my P1S has an actual level bed mesh unlike low quality Creality. 😂 I'd pay double whatever the Creality intellectual property clone is going for to have a flat bed. 😂😂
No more Core XY
This is why I switched to bambu. creakily sold us a shitty k1 and once they had all the bugs worked out from suckers buying there crap they released a new model with all the complaints fixed. Last time they will ever get another dollar from me.
With the extruder false data (it's falsehood about having an all metal extruder) ...this is a game changer for me! I have a Creality K1C sitting in their shopping cart right now...now it will still sit there while I revisit 3 other manufacturers:
1) Flash Forge: AD5M & AD5MP
2) Bambu Lab: P1P & P1S
3) QIDI: X-Smart 3
4) Creality: K1C (still in shopping cart)
Any feedback from anyone as to which is the best one to get....will be appreciated! :)
This review didn't feel unbiased at all... I don't even own a Bamboo Printer but i do know a lot about creality. Never trust them with your money.
Spool on the back...WTF.
I'm so Fed Up seeing that Boat Benchy still being printed......
Its been almost a year and the optional lidar for the k1 hasnt released, the app and slicer still suck and if you buy a k1 and get the defective extruder and hot end you have to go through a weeks long proecess to get repacements. Stay away from creality
Actually the app they fixed by releasing Creality Cloud Lite.
Slicer has improved a lot in the past year. Still not as good as Orca or Prusa Slicer.
All the new printers come with the new extruder and hotend.
They are actually fixing issues and have customer service. Which I admit is a first for Creality.
I’ve hated every Creality I’ve owned in the past, but the K1 series. I just print with them. No need for tinkering, fidgeting or changing anything.
@gaxon1920 my k1 I purchased dec 20th of 2023 had the old hot end and extruder. The app I am using is still crap. So unless there are major improvements from 4 hours ago when I last used it, I will have to call bull on your comments
The Bambu app is getting as bad now as it is regressing tbh. It was very clean and easy at first but with Makerworld now it’s becoming as cluttered as creality.
@MadRC maybe, but the creality app hasn't shown any sign Of improvement in 8 months. My camera rarely even works in the app. Basic functionality is missing
@@blue-steel7177 get the Lite version. It is just printer monitoring and controls.
First !
This thing could print me free money and I still wouldn’t buy it. Creality has burned me too many times.
Hahaha , really? Better than Bambu P1S? You got to be joke 😂😂😂
No AMS = Creality is dead
There is talk of it with the K2 Plus model
You got a little fat Ian, time to work out a bit 😅
that benchy is visibly worse than p1s, found a creality shill youtuber
You CLEARLY have spent not time around my channel. I suggest you take a look at some of my other content.
Yeah they paid you a lot to push their product, I call BS
Seems a bit harsh. He was honest about the pretty poor TPU and showed a superior print from the Bambu. He didn't need to show the Bambu results but did anyway.
K1C and P1S are both shit printers. Both have zero quality control. Both have zero customer service. Both are CCP spyware. But at least creality is more open source friendly and better build quality by not using shitty consumable rods & bushings.
bambu has customer service, creality doesn't. Not sure who in the right frame of mind would recommend this over the bambu
I’ll be honest there are as many bad reviews of a Bambu CS as anyone. They are not perfect.