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This is something that should be running on National Television! But this kind of education and awareness might lead to a situation where the Agricultural sector might have to eventually cough up more than a meagre Rs 4 billion in taxes, so I can see why running this info on television might not be favored by some lol. Came here after Muzzamil Hassan's recommendation; Junaid bhai and team, thank you for dissecting, and demystifying our economic woes that have been a thorn in our side for almost half a century. I think this is the perfect combination of infographics, knowledge and time taken to convey that knowledge, than compared to hour long podcasts. It's people like you who keep my hope alive for this country. Hopefully, the newer generation can be a productive cog of change in this corrupt, rotten to the core, boomer/relic-of-the-past machinery, and change it from the inside out.
This is better than a uni degree!!! Kudos and best wishes to Junaid Iqbal and team. I have a soft spot for PIA, my father was a pilot and gave 29 years service to PIA; they helped Emirates get off the ground but got left behind; privatisation is necessary.
We should also talk about government's role in successful completion of privatization process and avoid situations like PTCL where we didn't get remaining $800 million even after 18 years
Yes, there have been a few deals which did not materialize as imagined. However, the bulk of evidence fully supports Privatization. The Government must focus on Education, Healthcare, Basic Infrastructure and ensure markets operate fairly. Everything else can be done by the private sector
There should be establish that Its not a government responsiblilty to giving jobs the government responsiblilty is to create environment for creating jobs and thats why they are hesitating in privatisation of govt owned companies. As always love your work.❤
Normal privatization might be dangerous like how Adani group take over the major airports of India and create a Monopoly there. Privatization is the only solution but somehow government needs to be involved in it. As you can see after the news of planning the PIA to privatize the PSX got unexpected boom. Index hits 72k points which creates history and shows that sharks are eager to buy PIA
u may google most urself. these are either public account on Govt websites, and in case of PIA, Banks, K-Electric, they are public listed companies on the stock exchange.
The government should be focused on the running of it's own civilian services and leave the business part of the free market with regulation and oversight.
Sir, please schedule a discussion with Dr. Taimur Rehman so that those points could also be addressed. Thanks OR please address those issues like PROFIT vs GROWTH maximization. i.e. Private vs Public output
Given the mess that we are in,We can,t afford to go via the normal privatization route what we need is direct outright sale of shares or through long term management contracts with management control should be transferred to the private sector.
Talking about NHA, it's losses are actually accrued over time in the following manner. Different governments have been carrying out development projects including motorways and national highways and the PSDP funds given to NHA have been booked as a loan to NHA. Naturally most of the projects are social projects and their investment can not be recovered through toll collection. So all the development funds given to NHA over time are unpaid loans and these are the losses. The speaker very rightly pointed out that roads are public goods and private sector may not be prepared for provision of these goods except in a very few commercially viable places.
In my opinion the basic needs of nation should be privatised. As you mentioned about KE it shouldn't be privatised because electricity is basic human in todays world as well other institutions such as education, food and health care system. These institutions should be owned by government so that common people get benefit from these not the rich ones.
You are right. When we speak about Steel Mill's last offer vs its recent loss, we should have shown USD value as well. Though the principal remains the same, but we can certainly build that accuracy. Thank you for your constructive feedback - J
Army/establishment owned enterprises are earning immense profit each year whereas, most of state owned 113 enterprises are making losses each year for over many decades despite having retired Army officials as MD or CEO or President or whatever the highest position is. So, how come Army / establishment owned enterprises earning profit each year while state-owned enterprises making losses?
Question: PIA should be privatised. At the same time, you also argue that Government should protect critical routes where demand is low. In case of PIA, such routes exist domestically as well as internationally. Privatisation means good bye to those routes and sorry to public good/right. What's your solution to that?
Good question. The concept can apply to basic roads. Air travel in far flung areas with low demand would be a luxury. The state should not provide it at all. All over the world, Oil & Gas exploration happens in remote areas where private aviation sets up landing strips for small private planes. There are other such examples.
The first and foremost duty of any government is provision of justice, security and enabling citizenry to thrive, not doing business and opening up avenues for corruption and inefficiency. Even military run businesses too needs to be halted.
The governance structure over the years have also become too complicated with Federal cabinet,ECC,cabinet commitees involved in every little decision with too much overlapping.We also need to streamline and decentralize these as well
Can you please talk about National Highway losses of 832 billion? Our previous govts laud the highways as their biggest achievements. Do such huge losses happem in other countries as well?
if you recall, we spoke of public and private good. Public goods being those which the state must provide, even if they make a loss, like a road network. What the state should not do is run loss making entities in sectors which are already well served.
This video is based on publicly available macroeconomic data on Pakistan. If you are interested in further reading, please see the following sources: www.finance.gov.pk/publications/Federal_Footprint_SOEs_Consolidated_Report_FY2020_22.pdf
Do Establishment (Army) owned enterprises come under state-owned enterprises? Or Army / Establishment owned enterprise is different than state owned enterprise? Example of Establishment/Army owned enterprise are many such as, Fauji fertilizer, Fauji Cement, DHA, Fauji Cornflakes, Askari Bank, etc.
So the perception that NHA is a loss making entity is factually not correct. On the contrary this is an organization that has successfully delivered mega infrastructure projects like M-1,M-2, Burhan motorway, Sukkur-Multan motorway etc
The root cause of all the issues boils down to dishonesty of all state administrators and their personal gains after the demise of liaquat ali khan. From your and other economic expert point of view there was and there is solution to it but there is very blur solution to get Pakistan free from dishonest cartel of all state pillars which is consciously planted over the years by global players.
The biggest problem in Pakistan is that nearly all the country's economists are neo-liberals. They firmly believe that only neo-liberal policies are beneficial for the economy, but the reality is that these very policies have led to the destruction of Pakistan's economy. It's disheartening to see how convincingly some argue that privatization is the solution, even when their own facts suggest otherwise. For instance, take the case of the National Refinery. According to their statistics, until 2005-before privatization-the organization was earning a profit of 2.1 billion rupees and employed around 913 people. This raises an important question: if the refinery was functioning well and turning a profit, why did the government decide to privatize it? Let's assume, as these neo-liberal economists often argue, that privatization was necessary. However, after privatization, the refinery earned a mere 6 billion rupees in profit over 17 years and provided employment to only 130 new people during that time. Yet, this so-called "liberal economist" still claims that neo-liberal policies generate employment. Just wow! It's time to stop glorifying neo-liberal policies. We need to move beyond this "theoretical economy" where liberal economists always win and instead focus on real economic problems. Highlight the real issues behind the downfall of institutions, and if you can't, don't call yourself an economist. In my opinion, neo-liberal economists are no different from property dealers-they simply want the government to sell institutions at cheap rates, encouraging capitalists to buy them and later reap maximum profits.
I disagree. Privatisation is not the answer especially in a country like Pakistan where everything is already hell bent to screw lower segment of the society. This country lacks visionary leadership and out of the box solutions.
I tend to agree with you. Smart internal control can completely stops bleeding of financial resources and optimum level of productivity. Example are Chinese and Indonesian own SOE. Many of them are included in fortune 500 companies. Now look at our country biggest private entity K electric. What benefit K electric has given to the people? Increase load shedding in peak summer depite paying bills on time whereas in China and Indonesia, state own power utilities provides 24/7 uninterrupted power supply at a fraction of a cost.
RESERVATIONS ON THE ARGUMENT. I'm not a business student or have any background knowledge about business. But listening to all this argument, I think the whole discussion was one-sided. It was all stating the pros of privatization. Besides, I also have reservations about the data you provided. We know data can be manipulated. You have provided the data of 2018 to 2022. But what if I say it was the good tenure of government as compared to previous tenures. It means the government performed well during this time as compared to previous tenures, which can easily be proved by net GDP growth. It means the government was moving on the positive lane. That being said, we then need to compare the efficiency of a poor governments before 2018, and the efficiency of the efficient government between 2018 to 2022, and then argue on the fact that what if a government takes the responsibility and runs those state own enterprises in the better way, what better it can add to the country as compared to privatizing it. In nut shell, the good argument is one which equally states the pros and the cons at the same time, which your argument failed to. Besides, it all seemed like supporting hidden political agenda, targeting only PTI government tenure only. And last but not the least, thanks to korean drama, we know bit of korean political and economic situations where privately owned companies generate much of the country's GDP growth. But now the same private enterprises are facing many scandals like using the power, higher monopoly, and more specifically the rights of workers and private shareholders being sacrificed. have we thought of while favoring the privatization?
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Me as well
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This is something that should be running on National Television! But this kind of education and awareness might lead to a situation where the Agricultural sector might have to eventually cough up more than a meagre Rs 4 billion in taxes, so I can see why running this info on television might not be favored by some lol.
Came here after Muzzamil Hassan's recommendation; Junaid bhai and team, thank you for dissecting, and demystifying our economic woes that have been a thorn in our side for almost half a century. I think this is the perfect combination of infographics, knowledge and time taken to convey that knowledge, than compared to hour long podcasts.
It's people like you who keep my hope alive for this country. Hopefully, the newer generation can be a productive cog of change in this corrupt, rotten to the core, boomer/relic-of-the-past machinery, and change it from the inside out.
Thank you for your kind words
I think it's a miracle that I randomly got your informative channel, thank so much.
This is better than a uni degree!!! Kudos and best wishes to Junaid Iqbal and team. I have a soft spot for PIA, my father was a pilot and gave 29 years service to PIA; they helped Emirates get off the ground but got left behind; privatisation is necessary.
came here from muzammil's dil ki baat and my mind is blown the way you have explained an complex topic in simple way!
thank you Junaid Iqbal
Thank you :)
Thank you for your initiative to educate us. Wish more people benefit from it. Shared ti within my circle.
We should also talk about government's role in successful completion of privatization process and avoid situations like PTCL where we didn't get remaining $800 million even after 18 years
Yes, there have been a few deals which did not materialize as imagined. However, the bulk of evidence fully supports Privatization. The Government must focus on Education, Healthcare, Basic Infrastructure and ensure markets operate fairly. Everything else can be done by the private sector
came here from Muzammil's DKB and loving your content. Pls keep doing 20 - 40 minutes duration. Good luck 👍🏽
Thank you! Will do!
There should be establish that
Its not a government responsiblilty to giving jobs the government responsiblilty is to create environment for creating jobs and thats why they are hesitating in privatisation of govt owned companies.
As always love your work.❤
Start watching video 1st time and liked subscribed immediately within a seconds
Listened the whole video. IA we can make change.
It's very informative and productive to watch these videos as an economics major please make more videos like these
Normal privatization might be dangerous like how Adani group take over the major airports of India and create a Monopoly there. Privatization is the only solution but somehow government needs to be involved in it.
As you can see after the news of planning the PIA to privatize the PSX got unexpected boom. Index hits 72k points which creates history and shows that sharks are eager to buy PIA
Masha Allah amazing content, from content to editing, everything is just amazing
Keep up the good work man, waiting for the next episode
It would be really helpful if you add the sources of your facts/figures along.overall very informative video 👍👍
u may google most urself. these are either public account on Govt websites, and in case of PIA, Banks, K-Electric, they are public listed companies on the stock exchange.
The pop-up text at 4:17 should read "Employee to Aircraft Ratio".
Thanks for pointing this. We will try to fix this
What would be the profit of these enterprises adjusting for inflation? 8:52
haha it is sadqa jaria by educating Pakistanis with this kind of knowledge, kudos to you. so much easy to understand..
Yes, privatisation is must but the process should be fair and transparent
The government should be focused on the running of it's own civilian services and leave the business part of the free market with regulation and oversight.
Sir, please schedule a discussion with Dr. Taimur Rehman so that those points could also be addressed. Thanks
OR
please address those issues like PROFIT vs GROWTH maximization. i.e. Private vs Public output
Good idea
finally good content on pakistani YT
Great Explanation Sir.
Very informative.
The best podcast I have seen in a long long time on this subject. You are indeed numero uno, Junaid Iqbal. Excellent work
Yes, SOE's should be privatized gov should focus on more holistic approach
Great job ❤
Given the mess that we are in,We can,t afford to go via the normal privatization route what we need is direct outright sale of shares or through long term management contracts with management control should be transferred to the private sector.
top notch content
KWSB + KDA + Karachi Municipality should be privatised
superb work
Good explanation sir
Excellent
Talking about NHA, it's losses are actually accrued over time in the following manner. Different governments have been carrying out development projects including motorways and national highways and the PSDP funds given to NHA have been booked as a loan to NHA. Naturally most of the projects are social projects and their investment can not be recovered through toll collection. So all the development funds given to NHA over time are unpaid loans and these are the losses. The speaker very rightly pointed out that roads are public goods and private sector may not be prepared for provision of these goods except in a very few commercially viable places.
The content we needed but never deserved
Great content
content top notch❤
In my opinion the basic needs of nation should be privatised. As you mentioned about KE it shouldn't be privatised because electricity is basic human in todays world as well other institutions such as education, food and health care system. These institutions should be owned by government so that common people get benefit from these not the rich ones.
Nicely define
Please compare the figures in dollars. How can the profits in rs in 1990 be comparable to rs in 20222
Agree
You are right. When we speak about Steel Mill's last offer vs its recent loss, we should have shown USD value as well. Though the principal remains the same, but we can certainly build that accuracy. Thank you for your constructive feedback - J
Absolutely yes. SOE should be privatised
Army/establishment owned enterprises are earning immense profit each year whereas, most of state owned 113 enterprises are making losses each year for over many decades despite having retired Army officials as MD or CEO or President or whatever the highest position is. So, how come Army / establishment owned enterprises earning profit each year while state-owned enterprises making losses?
Question: PIA should be privatised. At the same time, you also argue that Government should protect critical routes where demand is low. In case of PIA, such routes exist domestically as well as internationally. Privatisation means good bye to those routes and sorry to public good/right. What's your solution to that?
Good question. The concept can apply to basic roads. Air travel in far flung areas with low demand would be a luxury. The state should not provide it at all. All over the world, Oil & Gas exploration happens in remote areas where private aviation sets up landing strips for small private planes. There are other such examples.
Good Job Sir, I really appreciate your work
Please share graphs with 5 to 10 year gaps
The first and foremost duty of any government is provision of justice, security and enabling citizenry to thrive, not doing business and opening up avenues for corruption and inefficiency. Even military run businesses too needs to be halted.
The governance structure over the years have also become too complicated with Federal cabinet,ECC,cabinet commitees involved in every little decision with too much overlapping.We also need to streamline and decentralize these as well
Agreed. Video coming up soon on the size of govt
Can you please talk about National Highway losses of 832 billion?
Our previous govts laud the highways as their biggest achievements.
Do such huge losses happem in other countries as well?
if you recall, we spoke of public and private good. Public goods being those which the state must provide, even if they make a loss, like a road network. What the state should not do is run loss making entities in sectors which are already well served.
This video is based on publicly available macroeconomic data on Pakistan. If you are interested in further reading, please see the following sources:
www.finance.gov.pk/publications/Federal_Footprint_SOEs_Consolidated_Report_FY2020_22.pdf
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supreme court is accountable for that decision, i mean 600 arabs loss is massive
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Do Establishment (Army) owned enterprises come under state-owned enterprises? Or Army / Establishment owned enterprise is different than state owned enterprise? Example of Establishment/Army owned enterprise are many such as, Fauji fertilizer, Fauji Cement, DHA, Fauji Cornflakes, Askari Bank, etc.
No they don't. They fall under the various ex-servicemen foundations like Askari, Bahria, etc
Any worldwide examples of efficient SOEs management
Saudi Aramco, etc
What about NHA?
Woh tu bhai log chala rahay hain na.
do you have any resources to read up on the losses of Peshawar and Quetta electric?
Let me pull up the sources and share with you tomorrow
Sir ,kindly share the reference as well
So the perception that NHA is a loss making entity is factually not correct. On the contrary this is an organization that has successfully delivered mega infrastructure projects like M-1,M-2, Burhan motorway, Sukkur-Multan motorway etc
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The root cause of all the issues boils down to dishonesty of all state administrators and their personal gains after the demise of liaquat ali khan.
From your and other economic expert point of view there was and there is solution to it but there is very blur solution to get Pakistan free from dishonest cartel of all state pillars which is consciously planted over the years by global players.
CFBR
The biggest problem in Pakistan is that nearly all the country's economists are neo-liberals. They firmly believe that only neo-liberal policies are beneficial for the economy, but the reality is that these very policies have led to the destruction of Pakistan's economy.
It's disheartening to see how convincingly some argue that privatization is the solution, even when their own facts suggest otherwise. For instance, take the case of the National Refinery. According to their statistics, until 2005-before privatization-the organization was earning a profit of 2.1 billion rupees and employed around 913 people. This raises an important question: if the refinery was functioning well and turning a profit, why did the government decide to privatize it?
Let's assume, as these neo-liberal economists often argue, that privatization was necessary. However, after privatization, the refinery earned a mere 6 billion rupees in profit over 17 years and provided employment to only 130 new people during that time. Yet, this so-called "liberal economist" still claims that neo-liberal policies generate employment. Just wow!
It's time to stop glorifying neo-liberal policies. We need to move beyond this "theoretical economy" where liberal economists always win and instead focus on real economic problems. Highlight the real issues behind the downfall of institutions, and if you can't, don't call yourself an economist. In my opinion, neo-liberal economists are no different from property dealers-they simply want the government to sell institutions at cheap rates, encouraging capitalists to buy them and later reap maximum profits.
I disagree. Privatisation is not the answer especially in a country like Pakistan where everything is already hell bent to screw lower segment of the society. This country lacks visionary leadership and out of the box solutions.
I tend to agree with you. Smart internal control can completely stops bleeding of financial resources and optimum level of productivity. Example are Chinese and Indonesian own SOE. Many of them are included in fortune 500 companies. Now look at our country biggest private entity K electric. What benefit K electric has given to the people? Increase load shedding in peak summer depite paying bills on time whereas in China and Indonesia, state own power utilities provides 24/7 uninterrupted power supply at a fraction of a cost.
jee hona chahiye privatize
umm why cant we talk about NHA again?
Thank you :)
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That's the best comment ever. Yes, this is the repeated advice I have gotten from friends who are creators. We will stay he course IA
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RESERVATIONS ON THE ARGUMENT. I'm not a business student or have any background knowledge about business. But listening to all this argument, I think the whole discussion was one-sided. It was all stating the pros of privatization. Besides, I also have reservations about the data you provided. We know data can be manipulated. You have provided the data of 2018 to 2022. But what if I say it was the good tenure of government as compared to previous tenures. It means the government performed well during this time as compared to previous tenures, which can easily be proved by net GDP growth. It means the government was moving on the positive lane. That being said, we then need to compare the efficiency of a poor governments before 2018, and the efficiency of the efficient government between 2018 to 2022, and then argue on the fact that what if a government takes the responsibility and runs those state own enterprises in the better way, what better it can add to the country as compared to privatizing it. In nut shell, the good argument is one which equally states the pros and the cons at the same time, which your argument failed to. Besides, it all seemed like supporting hidden political agenda, targeting only PTI government tenure only. And last but not the least, thanks to korean drama, we know bit of korean political and economic situations where privately owned companies generate much of the country's GDP growth. But now the same private enterprises are facing many scandals like using the power, higher monopoly, and more specifically the rights of workers and private shareholders being sacrificed. have we thought of while favoring the privatization?
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