Motorcycle myths that kill motorcyclist & the truth about braking
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- What we don't know is dangerous... This is the first of a three video series of the shiny side up talk series I presented at in 2020. This series highlights the talk I did in Aukland highlighting dangerous motorcycle myths, braking, trail braking and rider psychology that kills.
Part 2 • What is trail braking?...
Part 3 • Why we crash, why we d...
72% of ALL FATALITIES are single vehicle (motorcycle) in a curve.
32% of ALL MULTIVEHICLE fatalities (bike vs auto) are in a curve
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You can't underestimate the value of these videos. Really appreciated. This simple upload may save one or more lives. Thank-you.
@Dayga and what will? Do you have any useful videos for me?
I just had an accident end of May, car turned out left to other lane around a sunken manhole, I faded to right of lane to separate from car’s possible left turn to a court right there, and then saw the sunken manhole so went around it right. The car didn’t turn left on court, but bee-lined back into our lane and diagonally across to make a braking, hasty right turn into gas station. I was still on right side of lane and got stuck in a corner.
Collided side of car just behind right rear tire at approx 60 km/hr. Bounced off the car and went over it, landing approx 10m on the pavement. Stood up and walked around to pick up my VStrom650 with help of a guy who ran over from the pumps (aluminum cases packed for a ocean getaway 2 hours away-accident was 10 min from my house). Ambulance got there and they suggested I ride with them to hospital, even though I said I was “fine” each time asked.
I don’t have any recollection of this, for me it was the side of the car closeup, and then the ceiling lights in the hospital going by. I learned it all later.
Honestly, I don’t know what happened. I’m a cautious rider and thankfully I always wear all my gear (armoured). Calf high adv boots, elbows, shoulders, hips, knees, hands are all armoured, plus a collar that works with my full-face helmet to limit vertebrae tilt. I feel all this stuff got me through without breaking bones. I’m still mending though, left knee and right shoulder. Goodbye $700cnd Schubert’s S2!
Without the road hazard making us both adjust/react, this wouldn’t have happened. I’d still be properly in left side lane with a shit-load more options than I had. The swerve out and the manhole I think adjusted my follow distance, and their hasty deceleration turn was the coup de gras.
This was my first accident with another vehicle in 23 years of riding. Second major moto accident though. First was ‘03 perpendicular hit with a coyote at 130km/hr (110km posted). Slid/tumbled 68m/220’. My Kawi Concours ended up 147m/480’ down the road on the opposite soft shoulder. September early morning, Coyote comes out of spruce shadow at full run 3m/9’ infront of me. Invisible until the sun hit him. Lesson Learned: wait until sun is higher to travel. In any other lighting situation I would have seen the coyote moving from way up the road.
Both my accidents were about wrong place in the wrong time. As my old fighter pilot friend said to me after the coyote (also a long distance rider), “a few more scrubs of your toothbrush that morning and you wouldn’t have crossed that coyote.”
I hope these tales are helpful. Enjoy your ride, safely.
Same here bro..sorry quick recovery.
😂 no accidents happen at the right time its always at the wrong time & wrong place. Takecare..
Spend some money and upgrade to a spyder. Have you ever heard of ABS Brimbo brakes? Do not buy cheap bikes and ride them like you are in the movies. Hell yes ABS on the street don't have it slow down.
Absolutely!!! Thanks for sharing.
Besides from the useful information this man can present extremely well
Exactly what I was thinking!
Agreed with you..even me from Malaysia also understand what was he want to throw it out
"you are vulnerable" , "they want to kill you" .... combine that and you ride without your ego pushing you on. Then you wont get in trouble because you ride relaxed and in control.
The great Soichiro Honda was quoted as saying he'd made many mistakes over the years, but that each of them he made only once. I think Mr. Honda's standard for learning from errors was extremely high, and worth striving for in my own reduction of riding miscues.
I’ve been riding on and off for 37 years. I’m not brilliant, I’m an ok rider, I should perhaps be better and do more training etc. But I always approach riding these days with a super awareness that I don’t want to die or paralyse myself. I think it’s absolutely essential to take responsibility for what you do on the road, even if someone else is at fault, try and make sure you anticipate what could happen.
Same goes for riding beyond your ability, the bike can do amazing things on a track, but can you, on the road? I know I can’t . And never show off, what’s the point?
I just enjoy that great 2 wheeled freedom, doesn’t have to be at 140 mph all the time.
so you admit you ride at least 140 'sometimes'...lol.I KNOW you don't have a Harley,so that's out.
You sound like a wise man....ride safely
Great teaching. I think the biggest danger is complacency on the part of the rider.
Thank you. Your videos always provide useful info, but also encouragement and confidence. Thank you; even my family also thanks you for making our rides safer, longer, and more enjoyable. This channel, FortNine, and Dave Moss Tuning have probably saved countless lives, and $$$.
[...]is called "oh-shit-breaking"[...] Bret, you're the best! XD
Thanks for this Bret! Blaming the other guy has become one of my pet peeves in the motorcycle community. Combing over NHTSA data every year, it’s so aggravating to see so many folks get hung up on blaming drivers when such a large portion of accidents are rider only.
Beautifully presented, Brent, and just information that every rider needs to open and take in, and I don't even have a bike yet. Rode bikes as a kid in the Midwest growing up and thankfully did mostly off road stuff so I did not kill myself on road. Am hoping to get a Honda CB500x, and when I do, I will bring it up to your training school to learn not only how to ride it off road but also on the street. Thank you for all that you do--you are saving lives out there!!
Blaming a driver that “did not see you” will get you nowhere. Slow your ass down, hand and foot at the ready. No winners in this game.
truth is,a massive amount of cage drivers actually DON'T see us.They see 'no car ahead'.
I go through busy roundabouts waving my left arm if I have too to make sure I am seen
Someone from my high school just passed away last year in an accident on his Harley. He failed to stay in his lane and was hit so hard that the police code indicated body parts in multiple places.
Another friend of mine lost someone close because he decided it would be okay to ride home on an unfamiliar bike after having a drink or 2.
Take your time, go the speed limit, don’t drink, and go to a track if you want to get reckless. It’s seriously not worth it. Ride safe out there
You said it man go to the track if you want to be reckless recking that bike is reckless enough for most of us sorry for your loss(es) I'm still unsure if I want to be a rider yet
austin tomkewitz they’re not as dangerous as you’d think if you just ride responsibly.
Someone I looked up to when I was younger also died in a motorcycle accident, but again... his fault. He was popping a wheelie on a public road, lost control when he put the front end back down, wrecked, and slid right under a car.
92% of accidents occur with a rider that didn’t take a MSF course, 44% involve alcohol, 93% occur on a bike bigger than 500cc, and most people love wearing black which makes you hard to see. In over 90% of accidents, the motorcycle is the striking vehicle typically because someone pulled out after not seeing them or they misjudged how much time they had because the motorcyclist was speeding.
Wear some hi-viz, take the MSF course, get proper gear head to toe, don’t speed around intersections, don’t drink and ride, practice slow speed maneuvers, get a smaller bike to start with, and you’ll be fine. It sounds like a lot, but it’s actually pretty simple when broken down.
Just the fact that you’re worried about safety and aren’t sure if motorcycling is for you means you’re likely thinking about safety enough to avoid becoming another statistic.
As for me, I absolutely love ripping my WR250R around town and backroads. There’s no other feeling like it. Exploring off road places I’m not supposed to go is a rush too 😂
I also try to avoid riding on Fridays and Saturday’s from 3-9pm since 50% of accidents occur on weekends-mostly within these times.
Above all, model yourself after guys who have been riding a long time with very few to no wrecks. If you’re riding with someone who either has a bad track record or whose friends have bad track records (i.e. serious injuries or death), then you’re asking for the same trouble they got.
Matt Pierce as an European I can say start on a lower cc bike and always wear protection doesn’t matter who hot it is (from what I’m seeing on yt most Americans don’t wear all their gear and most seem to start on big bikes with no experience that’s why I’m saying that)
Ben I’ve actually modeled my own habits and learning around European policies. It’s insane to me that here in America, you can take one course and legally go hop on a 1200cc bike. I also wear full gear at all times. And yeah, a lot of us don’t wear gear. It’s idiotic IMO 😆
Matt Pierce it really is, safety should always be no 1 ride save
No mention of the role tires play in braking. The brakes slow the wheels down, but it's the friction between the rubber and the road that stops you. The most powerful brakes in the world won't stop you any faster than the tires are capable of. And this is where cars have it all over bikes. They have twice as many tires with wider and larger contact areas. And 4 wheelers don't fall over if the wheels lock up. Obviously some high performance bikes may stop faster than a car or truck with cheap or worn out tires, but the pervasive myth among motorcyclists that it's safe to ride faster or follow closer on a bike because you have such great brakes is a dangerous myth.
Also cars weigh more. More weigh = more friction = more stopping power.
@@caLLLendar But also more weight that has to be stopped.
@@barryervin8536 THAT is very interesting! That's a good point. I'm not even sure how it all adds up. I'm not used to seeing good points in TH-cam comments. Please change your age to 13 and comment accordingly. Kneejerk response: I speculate that the friction is has more impact than the weight . . . . especially since heavier vehicles move slower. A BRR-80 stops on a dime!
I disagree with bike stopping, if equipped with abs braking! I own a 2016 FJR and the stopping power of this bike is incredible, the best I've ever ridden. Most of the current Japanese bikes are all equipped with abs. That being said driver skill and awareness or situational awareness are the key factors of avoiding accidents wether your own or others causing them. I am proud of my personal record of avoiding/ reaction time to others trying to kill me! Granted, not being totally focused on what's in front of you can kill you as well, and over the years( younger years) I did have a few close calls, but invariably stopped in time. The weight of the bike and rider /riders ( two up) or not also plays a big factor in stopping. Extra caution should be used when two up, always!!! Now you have two lives in your hands, so stay alert! In the end " Speed KILLS " is the truest statement when on two wheels, racing and reaching crazy speeds on busy highways/ interstates is death waiting to happen! I've seen it too many times in the news, new rider killed in first week of riding hires new bike! Or first month, or year! It's easy to go fast, it's knowing when it's safe to do that can make the difference between living our dying! We all want to open our bikes up to see the acceleration capabilities or even the top end! Knowing when it's safe to do( deserted dry highway) or not ( congested wet or dry highway, weaving thru tragic) is a death wish waiting for one vehicle to change lanes when you don't expect it! Drive safe everyone, slow down, stay alert, live another day!
He mentioned that in 2016 the ABS was improved. I have a 2007 FJR. It seems to stop faster than a Harley or my jeep. Another thing that was not mentioned . . . I think I pay attention more when riding a motorcycle. No music playing either. I'm wondering if awareness / alertness is a factor.
I love this man, he speaks with facts and no ego
Thank you
Bret-
Your most excellent 3-part presentation will most definitely precipitate a change in my street riding behavior. At some point in the near future, you’ll see me on one of your international treks
Nearly all the information applies to bicycle riders as well (except perhaps for anti-squat). I didn't go thru with getting my moto licence due to a mountain biking injury (which taught me about risk compensation the hard way), but what I learned about buffering and other strategies in the pre-learner's course has saved my butt on several occasions while cycling. Your points about fear, sight lines, braking balance and trail braking all resonate. Thanks for sharing.
smooth in smooth out, no points for speed.
Dam......No more Knock it down , Chuck it in , Scrag it out when out for a bit of balls to the wall ride the wheels of it ..."FUN" ....maybe if ask nice can still sneak in the odd " in slow, out fast " late apex bend swinging.....Before have to head the KIA shop for a nice safe econ box (none "stick") if the type that finds eating with a knife and fork a dark art with a high risk of self harm.
....all very good but draw the line at pop tarts skinny latte for breakfast.......make mine a kipper and a mug of Rosey Lee ...now where put that box spanner and tin of Gunk.
@The Fancy Bear Why not have two and make some smoke ?....Ying Ding Ding Ying ..Ying Ying Ding .....time for a plug chop yet ?
@The Fancy Bear Head over or Wood trees ? Would you like a 50/50 or phone a
friend on that one Fancy ?
@The Fancy Bear or something ....but have had "a kipper for breakfast" we in the mood.
@The Fancy Bear META TARO old chap META TARO then and only then can one
even think of THE BOTTOM OF BARREGARROW moving on over the hills and far
far away.
Excellent video. I would like to catch you live if your ever doing one of these in Florida or Georgia. The dude that hit the Vette was on the "Tail of the Dragon aka: US129" in North Carolina , He was a relatively new rider, just moments before was waving at a roadside photographer and not paying attention to the more important thing where he was going. He died the Corvette was destroyed. The car vs bike stopping distance is only a direct result of automobiles have, for over two decades, mandated ABS systems. If the rider does not become VERY PROFICIENT with using max braking energy they can not stop rapidly nor any where close to what ABS is capable of.
You are a great teacher! Getting into motorcycling and really appreciate these lessons
Really eye opening info, thank you for making this available!
The biggest reason for the blame game early on is rather simple. I forget who said it, way old quote.
It is impossible to get someone to understand something if their livelihood depends on NOT understanding it. Or in this case, their fun. Namely, they want to go fast.
I remember a video of a bike almost hit because he was doing 70mph in a 30 residential street. Almost universally, everyone was blaming the car pulling out because he was supposedly supposed to magically realize how fast the biker was going. Almost no one was willing to factor speed into it. They shunned the very idea. And the issue about understanding is more than speed. It is an unwillingness to recognize their own behavior can contribute or cause a crash. Not inability to recognize, but unwillingness.
It is really easy to decide everyone else is a bad driver. But....they manage to get down the road amongst each other. And most have few incidents in life. While said rider is on his third wreck of the year. Examine the common denominator.
To quote a comedian Ron White about marriage and divorce "After 3 it is me. I'm a bleep head."
I have a similar issue of a car merging into a motor officer that is riding at 22mph over the posted speed and in the driver's blindspot. Not the drivers fault...
Fantastic material Brett, my understanding of the Australian data is that it matches the material you have presented. If you get to Australia, I hope to catch you live one day.
Should be required watching to get a license - nice work keeping us safe Bret.
Maybe courses to get a license should get harder so u actually get on the road when u know how to drive ( I’m from Germany and to get my license I had to be in a lot of theoretical courses similar to this video and I probably did like 700km on the road with an instructor until I got my license)
I love this so much. So many riders can't take responsibility and find it easier to blame drivers.
Brakes for racing bikes are not made for stopping, they are meant to slow down the bike! It says so much even for non racing bikes too! Thanks sir!
Accelerate coming out of the corner nice and smooth.
Got my endorsement with Puget Sound Safety last fall, taking it slow and safe on my 19 gsa. Looking forward to taking more classes when things calm down finally : )
Lookout for the Puget Debs, they will do anything for a free ticket out of there!
So well presented, thank you Bret! Great to be reminded of all this again!
Use your logic. Give yourself always plenty of room for unexpected situations and, that's still not a guarantee? I started riding at 14 and now I am 72. Most of the guys I rode with are either dead or cripple for life. Be smart, stay safe.
My G meter has peaked my 2020 Hyundai Veloster N at 1.7G or so on a hard canyon brake event.
That was wildly sickening. Almost no riders will ever be able to safely match that. Keep distances.
The is absolutely in my mind the best video you have done. I’ve watched many times. But now it’s shorter. Is the rest of it somewhere?am I missing something.
This was 1/3rd of a talk I did in New Zealand. There are two other videos to complete the entire talk.
When he was talking about braking I didn't hear him say a word about using the front brake, you know, the one that provides 80% of your stopping power! Most riders never use their front brake. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a Harley rider do that. All the back brake does (in an emergency stop) is leave a long black skid mark to the scene of the accident. Also, if you don't use your front brake every time you stop, you won't in an emergency.
i rarely use the rear brake tbh, dont know any riders who use rear more than front.
@@tractorboyracer9165 i do
a lot of videos on here,where biker goes down ,no one else around, are rider grabbing too much front brake..... you can always let go of brake(front or rear) if you start to skid
This is a masterpiece!! Thanks for sharing!!
Really nicely done. I can watch more of this, was very engaging
Buy yourself an inexpensive dirt bike, ride it on trails, sand, asphalt crash a few times and you learn how not to crash. If you crash a bike, it's your fault, no one else's. If a car turns in front of you, still your fault because you didn't leave yourself an out and just assumed they would let you go first. Tired of these "experts" telling others how to ride, when they haven't done squat. If you are going to ride paranoid then you will crash, if you ride like a maniac you will crash. Ride relaxed and pay attention to everything around you, not just the lane you are in. A private riding course of a few hours will not teach you enough to be safe. If you are in highly populated area then it's not smart to ride a bike during rush hour, lane splitting, weaving in and out of traffic. Use common sense you will be ok, if you have none, don't ride a bike, period.
As someone who had a car pull out in front of me on a round about, it sucks to be in the 7% of casualties that are cased by other drivers
Lucky the other driver only crushed my ankle and ruined my bike. I was lucky to walk (or hop) away with no permanent injuries.
RIDE SAFE.
In the large city I live in, fatalities in traffic are definitely mostly caused by left turning vehicles. Not many rider caused single bike fatalities. Some ARE rider avoidable, even when the other party is at fault. That is an important point, as we suffer the consequences regardless. Pay attention, continue to learn and become safer riders.
When we're you in New Zealand? I wish I'd known about this. I'm an ex cop and know Pete really well. I'm. Also a member of the Blue Knights NZ. I hope you get back again soon after this covid madness is over.
I don't think saying that the brakes are only made for slowing down is different than stopping is very correct. If the brakes are made on sport bikes to optimize deceleration, then it directly means the stopping distance is optimized. The braking coefficient won't suddenly become less because you are trying to stop dead instead of brake into a corner that is just not correct.
this guy is a gem
Another piece of the jigsaw. Thank you. I understand that human aspects are probably the most important part of the whole scenario. To use myself as an example, I know I am only average, but I don't try to exceed my average. Hence I always arrive at my destination. Usually last, but that's fine with me. I'm not in a race. (Valentino is 1000 times better than me, but because he is always on the limit, no matter how good he is, if he crosses that fine line he comes off)
Better knowledge and experience with correct techniques will raise my average. And therefore I should become better.
Every day's a school day.
Enjoying this very much.
Happy travels.
In all my near misses while riding, it was because I was riding like moron. Luckily, once realised one can improve.
LOVED the comparison of the ABS equipped vs. the non-ABS equipped dogs! Looks like they both stopped in the same distance though.
but abs give more consistent performance and safer braking on less perfect tarmac
@@Tonyx.yt. ABS allows you to mash the brakes and stay upright. It does not give you better performance.
@@DanielMores a loocked wheel increase breaking distance
Tony actually it does not, google it. Not saying ABS is bad, because it allows you to brake AND steer or not lose the front end.
Thank you, Bret! This is one of the best videos on this subject!
1. I stay in my lane as a Conservative rider. Cars crossing the road and not looking really makes my adrenaline to spike. I've seen gravel take out riders and excessive speed for road conditions.
2. I thought mass would cause the cars to stop in less time/distance. My mistake.
3. I never trusted ABS as a replacement for awareness and proper braking discipline.
A great video Brett, thanks very much. I am curious as to whether the statistics on accidents, excluding fatalities follow the same trend. My reason is that where the driver is still alive they can report whether they crashed because of something a car did and that might include where a car didn't stop. A dead rider can't make a statement so you have to rely on witnesses and CCTV footage to determine who is at fault, sometimes these are not available. I am going out on a limb here and guessing that there is very little difference between the two, maybe a few more bumps and scrapes as the result of being rear ended at stop/traffic lights and cars opening doors etc. leading to a higher percentage caused by cars.
Irregardless, i am incredulous that so many people focus on how since the data doesn't represent what happened to them "I crashed and the car didn't stop, what if I died?" or, "I could always brake faster on my Ninja than I could in my Sedan", therefore the data from multiple sources and regions is wrong. Maybe it would be better to acknowledge that since 72% of fatalities happen on curves, I should improve my cornering.
What if your stats are wrong and cars were involved in the fatalities on curves for 50% of the time, but they didn't stop and Police didn't know it was a cars fault? It means if I improve my cornering I can reduce my risk of a fatal accident by 36%. Is that worth doing?...........
"When I point at the moon, don't look at my finger or you miss all the heavenly glory"
Bruce Lee, Enter the Dragon.
Fact sitting red light got rear ended. Fact bumper hitch saved us. Got new bike walked away hurting but coherent. There is a reason we call the other guys riding in cages. Do not ryde like a crotch rocket junkie. My spyder stops on a dime. Perhaps you should upgrade!
You have such great fun info punchlines. We like to die in the same places from US to NZ. I liked to see these graphs and numbers in this presentation.
I've used breaking in a corner or trail braking, but I've done also "oh-shit-breaking" sometimes :D
Lots of truths here. I generally find other bikes to be the most dangerous to be close to on the road and my safety antennae are always on alert when I see another bike in my rearview mirror. I always let them through to do their generally reckless riding. Yes, cars will do stupid things, but in my 20 years riding on and off road I have always found fellow bikers to be a danger unto themselves.
who fault is it -> whose fault is it ..... apart from that error excellent video, thanks
Good vid. Thanks. We see this all the time
Always great stuff
Did I just see Mr. Moss flew by ?
Hi Bret,
I love your videos.
... and many thanks for sharing your expertise.
But there is a question I'm interested in:
What are the 4% overdue of the 72% Single vehicle accidents and the 32% multi vehicle accidents?
Greetings from an European motorcicle rider who re-starts after an almost 30 years break.
Wow, Dave Moss cameo at 10:00))
This is good, but in reality, the most dangerous times for me is when I have to overtake three or more bunched up cars on a bendy country road. I'd like hear Bret offer some advice on that. Not many experts on TH-cam do.
Just... dont? I mean if its 3 in a row bunched up your asking for trouble, that is if you mean overtaking all 3 at once
If I have to overtake a pack that I usually start with blinking my headlight to make them aware of me overtaking, might overtake one at a time if possible to squeeze between them and clear some room for next overtake.
Usually, drivers are fine with me since they need more space to overtake, so it's not a problem if I do it where they can't overtake.
On the other hand if there's some straight section in the twisties where corvette driver stuck behind some trailer would like to overtake -- that's where things might go wrong if both of you pull out at the same time.
That's where I prefer to give fast cars ahead a chance to overtake first. And I try to make it clear to them by backing further behind and more to the center of my lane
Having a loud exhaust and bright lights also helps car drivers know you're overtaking them, unless the Corvette driver is litening to Meatloaf...
@@TheRadgeOne bright lights helps, exhaust is best heard only when you're already ahead of the car, so it doesn't help much at speed, IMO
i've been riding for about 30 years, i refuse to ride with cars, if I'm on a paved surface that has cars on it, i want a car too or a bus or maybe a cement mixer.... i don't even really understand why anybody would want to ride on the road, there aren't many jumps, you cant wheelie without getting in trouble, no roosting up hills or splashing through rivers, it's boring, restrictive and dangerous
1:35 why was that car on the wrong side of the road?
In New Zealand they drive on the opposite side of the road. The car was NOT the one on the wrong side of the road
@@BretTkacs wait, i thought this was usa lmao my bad sorry
@@EctoGamer Understandable since you don't normally see too many corvettes outside of the US. They only come in LHD from the factory.
@@lubey111 its not that, its because there are clips showing people riding on the right side of the road, and he said that his job is teaching people in the us, i think thats why i wrote that
Just because you are the only vehicle involved that doesn't necessarily mean it's all your fault. Watch out for dead cows, golf club bags, ladders, planks, tire carcasses, and whatever else in on the highway, as well as live coyote, deer, (especially deer) and whatever animals. I met a bull once but it wasn't the fact that he was on the road so much that scared me. It was how he was standing there looking at me, and I at him.
Avoid riding the highway at night because of the junk on the highway. Never push your tires. Think about spilled diesel on the road, especially when riding in the rain. Stay away from everybody on the road. Ride safe.
Another DEADLY thing is ASSUMING what drivers will do! I crashed HORRIBLY because the driver of a pickup truck tried to "help" me by braking hard.....See I was thinking about passing him if there were no cars coming so I was way up close on his rear...I drifted a bit over to have a look and yes a car was coming so I went to tuck back into the lane....well the pickup driver I guess ASSUMED I was going for it so he stomped the brakes to help me get safely past (OR he was trying to kill me though I prefer not to think that)....well I was so close there was no way I could brake hard enough not to make contact with my front tire on his back bumper.....which spit me RIGHT OFF the motorcycle and off a cliff! totaled the bike and broke both legs (compound fractures) , crushed rib cage punctured collapsed lung separated A/C shoulder injury and a host of contusions abrasions and lacerations....it was such a long drop in such a crappy area of the mountains they could not even get a helo in to hoist me out! They had to use ropes and sh*t! Mainly all because I assumed a driver would just hold his speed and line...I will NEVER assume THAT again! Just assume at all times that a driver might totally f*ck you....yes it takes away from enjoyment of riding but what else can u do? There are a LOT of people with fried brains driving cars ! See em all the damn time! People with really expensive ne very capable sporty models driving 35 miles an hour in a 55 mph speed zone...WHAT? Are they senile? drunk off their butts? on meds? Almost BLIND? WHAT? Seriously WTF?? LOTS of em! Scary as HELL thinking how screwed up they HAVE TO BE to drive like that! OBLIVIOUS to the long line of cars piling up behind them! I figure these drivers might do ANYTHING at any time! Scary as hell thinking about who is driving the 3=4 thousand pound weapons all around us!
great video lots good solid advice
Very good information. Liked, subscribed and saved video
The stoping distance for bikers is so bad because most bikers are using the rear brake! That's a big problem. Especially the Harley or cruiser rider sitting on their butts like a blob of meat.....and slamming on the rear brake when they see danger coming on suddenly
Hahaha saw Dave moss pass by in the beginning
I always see motorcyclists 'hugging' the center line and as a rider I have to wonder why. if you are at the center of the road and someone does not see you and passes you have much further to go to avoid them.
Interesting measurement about the riders belief in others fault over time. My theory (and this is only based on riding experience, certainly not as a researcher or trainer) is there are two parts:
Confirmation bias - over time we have enough encounters with actual inattentive or drivers making mistakes that it confirms our bias that they are all idiots
Self-preservation - if they are idiots, then it is on us to prevent our own issues. Therefore, lets assume they are always at fault.
On the good side, Im working to preserve my favorite human as I assume the worst behavior. On the bad side, I am assuming my rights and superiority trump physics; it is on them to be better, more aware, put down the cell phone, etc. It is frighteningly easy to swap those attitudes at a given moment.
Thats my theory. I have no facts whatsoever to back it up, so its only useful as barstool discussion.
The point was to cause introspection so I am tracking with you.
Wish I could watch this whole presentation
I fixed the link at the end for the next two sections
Isn't this a great presentation? Thanks for the link!
Oh shit breaking!!!😂😂😂 GOLD!!!
The Africa Twin is a great bike, as I have had three of them. But they are not "speed rockets". The bike's speedometer tops out at around 2010-2012 kms, but on the GPS it's really only approximately 194-196 kph. The bike just runs out of torque. Perhaps, with premium fuel, a very light rider, along with a tail wind it may reach 200 kph on a good day. Has anyone seen 200 kph on the GPS?
From comparing the braking points of motogp bikes and formula 1 cars you’ll see the bikes braking like 150 meters earlier than F1 cars
Really good stuff! I am sharing this.
Please share! The more riders know the safer we all are.
How am I just now finding this channel?
Can you provide the source for the data presented on the charts?
Always informative
Thank you.
We need more instructors like Brett
Where do you teach the classes?
If you ask a different question you get a different answer.
Question : what accidents are the hardest to avoid ?
Answer : People that pull out or turn in front of you.
Single vehicle: 72%
Multi vehicle: 32%
That's 104%.
From the previous graph, should the Multi vehicle be 28%?
You have to list to what he said. He said 72% single vehicle (bike only) and OF THE MULTI VEHICLE, 32% of those the bike was out of it's lane.
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Especially on fun roads. I remember a vid a couple months ago. A pairikers got out of line. An oncoming biker came from the opposite direction. All were crazy speeding. He barely squeezed between them.
If memory serves, another biker did crash into a car emergency stopping to try and give them room.
What Tim Smith said...
Plz upload the rest of the Talk!!
Done... Links are now at the end
I don't believe those data will be true here in London, what I personally had experienced:
1) Someone reversed into me at a red light x 1
2) Bump into my rear at a stop x 2
3) Pull in front of me and forced me to stop completely x 4 times last year
4) Bus running in the middle lane of a 3 lanes road and abruptly turn left x 1
5) Bike theft punched me on the face x 2 (just to give you an idea how chaotic here is in London)
Did I ever loose control of my bike and hit someone, yes i did, that was when I just started biking, didn't know how to control the rear brake properly.
US/Aus/Canada are big country with larger space on the road, in Europe cities roads are very narrow and congested, making it a lot more difficult to spot a bike.
Ive had more people decide that they wanted to back up and change lanes while im starring at them in their rear view mirror and why a horn is mandatory in the states cheers
1:41 That wreck wouldn't have happened if the front wheel had spokes.
please come to Canberra Aus
Great video!!!! Thank you.
I've crashed dirt bikes street bikes. My bicycle. Being on motorcycle is dangerous. Seen a guy break rib, forgot to put down kickstand. My last crash was on my hayabusa........in a curve.....totally not my fualt.......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Is that Dave Moss at 1:22 crossing from right to left in the blue shirt??
1:20 that looked like Dave Moss back there
Yeah noticed that, Dave Moss just randomly walking through the frame. I know he goes to NZ and Aus a fair bit for his suspension clinics. Makes sense he would team up with other people to make sure there is lots of rider interest, one stop shop so to speak.
This is smth to remember and consider: 1G retardation is maximum, best there is - how many of us can stop from 100 km/h in about 35 meters? Do we practise every week?
Very informative video Bret, thanks
Very suspect about these stats and how they're being measured. One point: Of course bikes should 'never' be applying full breaking force, the more traction you're using to stop the less you have to try to maneuver. Another is what does he mean by "at fault?" I suspect excessive speed is often being used to blame the bike when that isn't necessarily the case.
Learn to emergency brake in the corner. If you do you'll be 'ready; know what to do, be familiar with how to control your bike when the emergency happens and won't do 'oh sh¡t' braking plus you'll live to ride another day. Ride Safe Peeps
34 years riding 1 crash which was my fault. Started on the rode at 16 in 1986 on a cb750custom then bought a 1986 honda hurricane 600 that year ,95 interceptor 750, 98 honda super hawk, 2000 rc51,2009 speed triple. People texting and driving force me to retire from the road this year. Started riding dirt at 7. Take a course, keep your head up .
Try come to China and you will change your statistics.:) Cars running red lights, wrong way down the road and cutting in front of you is just an everyday occurrence here ! Here turning-indicators area rare sight
I'd add that its important to understand your own personal problems. Speed, cornering was never a concern for me but coming to china road awareness had to increase by a factor of ten. Finding an escape route, e.g. looking in the mirror to see if the guy behind you in his crappy van while he's looking at his phone is going to stop in time!
If not's not an emergency brake, then engine brake (depends on engine layout, singles, twins do a better engine brake), then rear & front brake.
WHAT?
If I may ask - I'm a new rider with around 8-9 months experience. I really want to learn to ride offroad, and eventually graduate to proper ADV riding. A lot of my ADV rider friends are discouraging me from learning offroad, though. They're saying I should learn to be a better rider on the street first, then learn offroad riding. What are your thoughts? Should I wait, or would it benefit me to get the experience of riding offroad early on in my training? Thanks!
offroad experience can only benefit your road skills as you'll be more comfortable on the road
1) know yourself
2) learn in a controlled environment
3) self-taught is a possibility but I strongly recommend a good course.
Age matters reflex so do not waste your time. But small steps, easy terrain, use brain. Good luck.
Start with enduro training on small bikes if you can - it'll help a lot.
What bike you on ?
A bike *should* be able to stop as fast and faster than a car, unless it's mid lean. They're so much lighter. If they can out accelerate a car, they can put stop them. The weak link is as always, the rider.