Low-Carb Diet Means High Risk of Heart Attack | Dr. Neal Barnard Live Q&A
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- A low-carb diet can roughly double your risk of having a major cardiovascular event, including a heart attack!
Dr. Neal Barnard discusses a major study showing the unquestionably unhealthy effects of eating what many believe to be a healthy diet. He joins “The Weight Loss Champion” Chuck Carroll to demonstrate how a low-carb high-fat diet such as the “keto diet” can create the perfect environment for everything from higher LDL cholesterol (“bad” cholesterol) to strokes and arterial disease.
What’s being left off the plate is exactly what your heart needs to pump efficiently! You will learn what the foods are and how they have maximum benefit for your heart!
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I'm doing healthy Keto and lowered my carbs but I'm talking about refined carbs. I'm eating cruciferous vegetables, protein and moderate fat. I've never felt better in my life. I'm off my meds now. I don't know what you all are talking about. When we say we're on a low carb diet we mean refined carbs, not the good carbs like cruciferous vegetables. Experts sometimes forget to make that distinction.
Thank you!!
Not everyone sees it that way, though. I find whole plant based low carb diets to be very helpful.
Yep and they lump all low carb diets as "high fat" diets when that's not true. I rarely eat overly fatty meat and plenty of vegetables and some beans and lentils and almonds and my blood sugar is under control and I don't need to snack all the time like when I was vegan. I feel like vegan is safer as a cleanse type of diet but not sustainable long term. I was vegan for 5 years on and off and constantly craved sugar and would get shaky if I didn't eat. It was very difficult and expensive as well. I love eating this way now and it's so simple yet effective which says a lot. I doubt our ancestors had to meal plan or cut out meat. It was a simple meal of meat and whatever vegetable, fruit or legume was available or in season.
Good carbs like yams, sweet potatoes, potatoes, whole grains, pasta, beans, peas , corn , lentils
@@muchasalud2011 , what carbs do u eat? U have to be craving sugar & carbs eating a diet of meat & broccoli!
Can you show us the studies please? I would really like to read the actual studies and research. Thank you.
No causal evidence linking animal foods of any kind to heart disease.
They can't. No such study exists.
Why site studies when you can sit in front of your wall filled with diplomas with your frail and malnourished body spouting malinformation. Quack, quack 🦆.
The study he's focused on I found it by googling "uk Biobank low carb". I'm a pharmacist and have a young son who's a T1 diabetic (he's low carb/high protein). I'll have to read this study. I guarantee you they had the study group fill out questionnaires, which doesn't uphold as proof.
The study people are talking about is possibly the weakest I've ever seen.
I’ve reversed IBS, Chronic Fatigue, 6.0 A1C and fatty liver with a Carnivore/keto diet. High fat, no processed seed oils, or startches. I feel amazing, my doctor asked what I did. She was amazed.
I have heard of good results from people on a vegan keto diet especially when it came to certain cancers. How long have you been on the keto carnivore diet?
Yes! Same here!
I think you are doing the right thing. The guys in this video are old school and ignorant.
How many ounces of meat per day ?
I’ve had similar success on a ketovore (
WFPB diet, A1C went from 11.7 to 5.5 in 6 months. Lost almost 50 lbs and that was the easy part. This way of eating and thinking about food is the real deal. Thank you Drs Barnard, McDougall, Greger, Esselstyn!!
Congratulations! 🎉🥦❤
Amazing isn't it? After 7 years I cannot believe I ever ate animals. At 59 often I hear how great I look. Others know they cannot keep up. People always tell me I have too much energy. None of that Limpee disease problem either. It is a change of thinking for sure!
BS. I think you need to listen to Dr brewer.
So to be clear
I give up - bread - pasta - processed food and - eat green veges salaries meat seafood such as salmon tuna etc I’m at greater risk..
I’ll tell that to my 95 year old grandmother who lives in meat chicken cheese and eggs
Ya, & I bet she's real constipated from eating animals. They have no fiber
Food was less polluted and more nutritious during your grandmother's time and she probably did things like intermittent fasting along with some vegetable intake.
@@chiyeranoThey're talking present tense, the grandmother is still alive.
My father will turn 90 in 3 weeks and has an exellent health as well, while all his life eating a normal european diet, in moderation. He was never over or under weight, exept for the last half year of the 2nd WW when the Germans deliberately starved the Dutch city dwellers, known as "hunger winter".
I realise the current standard American diet is not healthy, therefore the obesity epidemic. I think they should really cut out the fast and delivered food, candy bars and sodas. Cook for yourself again, so much better and more fulfilling, and eat fruit (not juice) instead of candy.
@@DutchmanAmsterdam As I said, food was much more nutritious and less polluted in your grandparents' earlier days. When you consider war times and economic depression, your grandparents more than likely had some intermittent fasting as well as cleaner more nutritious food to eat. That sort of thing can make all the difference in longevity.
@@chiyerano
I mis typed I meant my mother in law whom I have known for 30 years and whom was born 40 years only before me and nope the veges she eats are potato’s (mashed).
Apparently, all those diets can yield similar results. So we gotta see what they have in common: elimination of processed foods like refined sugar, seed oils, processed oils and processed fat. Eat only whole, real foods and apply intermittent fasting. Most of these diets, in my opinion, have more to do with what you eliminate than what you actually eat. There’s bad fat and good fat, bad carbs and good carbs etc
Agree 100%. Eat real good food.
Thank you! Bit of common sense goes a long way! Great idea to ‘amalgamate’ the common good across all ways of eating - which leaves individuals to then choose around the edges - depending on their own food reactions.
Agreed. The reason I feel good on carnivore, I think, is more to do with what I'm not eating than what I am. That said, I think it's hard to dispute that liver and eggs are two superfoods, and a vegan diet which eliminates them seems needlessly self-destructive to me.
I'm considering adding a few vegetables back to my diet at some point. I like broccoli and cauliflower. Love onions and garlic. But I'm wary of fruit, simply because I was a sugar addict and so much fruit these days has been cultivated as a vehicle for sugar. Artificially huge, artificially sweet... the fructose bomb completely undercuts the phytonutrients, imho.
@islaadele1212 self-destructive? How would that be the case? What do you mean by "super food"? Are you referring to nutrient density? Because i would say leafy greens on a calorie basis rival organ meats.
Palm oil not only hurts us, but it's devastating to the environment!
Please give us the citation to the study you are referring to. Thanks !
It's very hard to take anyone seriously who states that corn oil (corn anything for that matter) is a healthy choice.
He is a doctor after all, not a dietitian.
@@chiyerano True. I think Covid has demonstrated just how much you can trust the judgement of the average doctor.
Its just a brick in the totally corrupted US nutrition system. They are doing Bill Gates work and are helping out to cut the human population.
yup he really shot himself in the foot there. I mean you wanna prove your point but damn thats trying way too hard and misinformation
Well said, Chuck always talks about how much meat he was eating when he ate from Taco Bell. He does t even know Taco Bell serves meat like products, they are not allowed to call what they use meat because of all the additives.
High carb just about killed me. Changed to high fat low carb, got my life back in just 3 weeks, 13yrs ago.
@Bladerunner2049 yes. 13 yrs.
@Bladerunner2049 lots of folks doing very well on carnivore diet. The best is to see what works best for you - we are all different. I eat lots of fat, medium meat, some veggies, and I tolerate about 3 carbs maximum. Less is better in my case, but I have never cut carbs out completely. I avoid bread.
This forum has to be paid shills for how deceptive they represent animals fat based diets. Saved my life and more as well.
Nope. I'll stay keto, thank you. It turned my health around. Latest blood work shows my heart is just fine. Been keto for a decade.
Just checking in on you after 8 months to see if you are still "healthy" and alive. If you have actually been on keto for a decade, that's when people start haven health problems. Heart disease and cancer typically take a decade or more to develop. The younger you are, the more time it typically takes. It's rare for people to be keto this long.
@jakubchrobry3701 I'm doing quite well. Still keto, still intermittent fasting. My yearly blood work was about 3 months ago and is virtually perfect. A1C, Triglycerides, blood pressure, all great. Doctor said it's fantastic for a 58 year old.
@@philstanfield7771 Keep up the great work!
I feel good on keto diet/ carnivore diet for 6 years. My LDL is high but triglycerides is very low, CRP is
The diet that is best for you is just that…best for YOU. I’ve been eating a moderate carb, low saturated fat for most of my life (I’m 45), and my bloodwork is just about perfect. I went keto for 7 weeks, my LDL went up, my heart palpitations were so out of control I thought I was going to have a heart attack at any moment, I lost no weight and I felt like everything I ate was so greasy. My body didn’t respond well to it, but other people might eat my moderate carb diet, gain weight and have blood sugar issues. I think we just need to listen to our bodies, monitor our bloodwork and tweak as needed.
If u are eating saturated fats & oil, u still have heart disease.
No such thing as "moderate" carbs. Any exogenous carbs is too many.
@@honkymonkey9568 I found a happy medium for me. Not too low, and not too high. When my blood sugar dropped to 56, and I was becoming hypoglycemic, it was time to add more carbs! Everything is back to normal now.
@@honkymonkey9568 , What's an exogenous carb?
It is all about insuline resistance
Am I missing something? Carroll and Barnard start out discussing a study without identifying the study in any way nor discussing what was done nor how, other than 1500 people were followed for 10 years.
People who aren't already lfpb and who believe in the keto diet would dismiss this podcast completely in the same way that I dismiss internet statements from the pro-keto crowd that don't give any reference nor allow someone to read up on the methodology.
This man collects money for animal welfare makes noise against Elon Musk but when I emailed him to make same noise against PETA supporting lab meat he kept quiet. Do you think he will share methodology of study and speak like a genuine scientist where the study is lacking
They asked 1500 one time what they ate yesterday and then checked again with them 10 years later. None of the 1500 were actually in ketosis, as they never checked anything regarding ketosis .
@@kundansaran8962 What's wrong with lab grown meat if it is done ethically? The world is not going to go vegan anytime soon and we don't have much more time, we are going to need alternatives to feed the growing global demand for meat and dairy.
I think this is only part of the podcast that they uploaded on TH-cam and that the whole podcast can be seen on the dedicated website or something.
@@chiyerano What you are doing is called "coping."
They cited this study once, and they didn't provide any citations for any of their claims related to cholesterol, heart disease, etc. etc.
They're activists, not scientists.
Just fifteen hundred subjects for a study. Count all the hundreds of thousands who have regained health and lost weight on a low carb way of eating .
Plus his example for fats are processed supermarket fats. That's very different than the fat derived from say an avocado
I am a 64 year old male with late stage heart failure, multople stents, cabg, kidney problems, hypertension and many other medical conditions... looks both ways... I tried carnivore for 45 days... I felt great and realized a bunch of benefits. Then I satared getteing the pains in left arm, chest and throat. Quit carnivore and went oil free whole food vegan, within a week I felt like I was out of jeopardy... Will continue with vegan eating + following Dr Esselstyn's heart healthy regimine.
I'll put it like this; no 2 martin D-18's sound the same. Carnivore might work for some and vegan might work for the others.
G-bomb is my way of life now.
Oh, and I have lost 30 pounds doing the combination of the diets. But, the faster weight loss has happened with the wf vegan eating.
that is awesome. i agree, we need to do what works best for us. i applaud anyone who makes a change for the better. what bugs me is when people try to say low carb ii unsustainable. dr bernstein is pushing 90 years old. he has been super low carb for 50 years. i like dr barnnard
he looks healthy, he has helped a lot of people.
it just seems if the diet is so good there would be no need to bash someone else's diet, it should stand on its own merits. by the way, i have a 510 taylor. doesn't barnhard also play guitar?
Best thing my friend..for your physical and spiritual health. And, it is incredibly delicious!
Keep Going! Food as grown! Plant Strong!
Stay whole-food vegan and stay healthy for life!
Your body is your personal lab, listen to it well, as you have related and reaped benefit from the bodily feedback . Happy for you and may you return to optimal health.
I thrive on a low carb, high animal protein diet, no more sugar cravings and no more snacking and bingeing. Have been eating this way for years, cholesterol is high, triglycerides, very low and coronary artery calcium score is zero, despite my age.
Where is your study showing this? You constantly talk about studies show but no links.
They can't link the studies because they are all junk.
The studies just look at groups of people and compare cholesterol with heart disease.
The studies never control for smoking, drinking, drugs, eating fast food, junk food, diabetes, etc.
They just take a group and look only at cholesterol and heart disease.
They are all a joke.
It's been this way since the 70's.
They bank on people not reading the "Methods" section of the studies.
Corn oil? No thanks
This man will take people to worse outcomes of health
I worked in a healthy food grocery store for 5 years, during which the film What the Health came out. I personally have witnessed how much more aggressively the keto diet and Paleo diet have been advertised and promoted to people right after that film, along with a surge of Collagen powders and collagen products (I'm guessing they had to do something with all that beef that people were giving up; just my thought). I also have witnessed people I NEVER thought would go vegan, actually try the vegan diet after the film. But to witness the meat industry try to push their products and their diet even more aggressively definitely showed me just how much of a war this is.
Look, I know the problems of a ketogenic diet. I'm not in any way arguing such a diet is healthy in comparison to a wfpb diet. I also expect that whatever study is being referred to does indicate that keto diets increase heart disease in the long run.
My comment was simply about discussing a study and never identifying it nor giving much in the way of detail about how it was run. That is a tactic I would associate with the keto movement, not PCRM.
@@bob9749 I think they only posted part of the podcast here. They have a website where they post whole podcasts, perhaps the rest of the podcast is posted there. There is such a thing as a vegan keto diet especially since some people have used it to help them fight against certain cancers. Saturated fat is fine as long as it's coming from whole plant based foods.
That’s ridiculous. Keto is a very healthy way to eat, and you can do it as vegetarian or vegan just the same as any other deficient diet. Feel free to ignore clinical science, and stick with food frequency associative survey research.
@jkl thanks for saying so. Without the media push I can't see how anyone would even consider loading up on fats or animals
It is easier to sell a lie to the masses than give them the truths. The Protein craze is insane when the human body synthesizes it's own protein. There is more than enough protein in fruits and vegetables and millions have proven this over and over for decades. I remember the previous high fat low carb diets and the years of failure in the 60's and 70's. KETO and Carnivore is just another new sexy name for the previous 50 years of dieting mythical names. People continue to live the lie because they're in fantasy land about eating processed foods (meat and dairy is highly processed with forced pregnancies, and induced growth). I often find people are lost about nutrition and health especially doctors!
The study did not record data regarding exactly what the subjects ate. It's a crap claim to generalize low-carb as cardio unfriendly.
Carbs can raise blood sugar. For someone who is type 2, carbs must be watched. Not everyone is equal. Keto is great for type 2 diabetics focusing on moderate protein. 7 to 10 cups of vegetables a day. Keto is a great option for those with sugar problems. (Highly recommend a glucose meter as well to monitor how your blood sugar reacts to carbs). What is not good is metabolic syndrome. What causes metabolic syndrome for you may not cause it for someone else.
I reversed my T2 diabetes on a low fat WFPB diet. All carbs are not created equal.
@@PlantBasedPrimary 7 to 10 cups of vegetables are complex carbohydrates. I cannot eat any other carbs without raising my blood sugar significantly. Again, we are not all equal.
@@jennifermcinnis8137 Anyone who eats carbs has a rise in blood sugar. This is normal. The problem is that if their is significant fat in the diet, then when carbs are eaten, the blood sugar remains high for a longer period of time. When eating carbs with a low fat diet your blood sugar will rise after eating carbs and return to normal as the sugar goes from the blood into the cells. Of course, refined carbs are not great and complex carbs are better, but if you reduce the fat in your diet even refined carbs can be eaten. Type 2 diabetics routinely reverse their condition with WFPB diets. If you've been diabetic for a long time and go plant based, it will take longer for your body to return to normal than say someone who didn't have your diagnosis and switched.
Vegan keto is definitely beneficial over the long term for people with certain conditions.
@@PlantBasedPrimary They literally are -- all carbs, no matter the source, are broken down into glucose during digestion. Period.
They're all the same.
The only thing than is different related to carbs is the *_INDIRECT_* connection to other vitamins and minerals.
In other words, the only difference between eating pure sugar and eating vegetables is that you get some vitamins and minerals along with the glucose from the carbs.
But the sugar and the carbs from the vegetables are exactly the same in how they interact with the human body.
Where are you getting your information?
Did he really just say plant oils are the best? Chemically extracted oils are better than natural oils?? Are you kidding me??? I can't even watch past this point (10:49).
Also you don't cook with olive oil since the heat destroys the polyphenols, you use (extra virgin) olive oil as a condiment. Cook with avocado or coconut oil. Not sure if this guy actually does what he says. If he is, should probably take a food course or something.
Glad to see people in the comments are calling him out.
Eating carbs made me obese. Theres been lots of people healed from eating keto or carnivore. Go to a keto or carnivore video and read comments. I’ll take peoples word how good it works. Theres drs who recommend eating keto or carnivore. Also some vegans felt better eating keto or carnivore.
Dr. Barnard. I checked the exact same study you mentioned, and it has nothing to do with the keto diet. In this study, people consumed no more than 25% of calories from carbs considered as keto dieters. Considering the average 2000 calories consumption for American females, no more than 500 calories should be coming from carbs, which is translated into whooping 125gm. Consuming 125 gm of carbs daily has nothing to do with keto, carnivore, or even low carb diet. I saw similar studies and claims from medical doctors and journals over and over and none of these studies were done on true carnivore or keto dieters. To be able to say keto diet doubles the chance of causing heart issue, then study should done on true keto people.
Most heart attacks are in people with normal cholesterol and high blood sugar.
I agree. 3 Aunts have had stroke, all have normal bp and cholesterol. All three had Elevated blood sugar, the last thing one ate before having stroke was fruit salad on christmas eve and i believe the other two was cake/pasta.
I personally disagree with what he says about avocados. I eat them all the time. They keep you full and add satiety so you actually eat LESS, thus losing weight.
U lost weight eating avocados?
They are oily & almost 800 calories a pound. A serving of avocados is only 2 tbsp.
@@jgrysiak6566 I have lost 60lbs in 6 months eating a half an avocado a day most days.
@@keithsherri9096 , wow!
@@jgrysiak6566 yes I have 1 to 2 a day. But that's about it regarding fats. My biggest issue is keeping weight on.
You refer to a study, where can we find it. I'd like to study/read it for myself.
Don't waste your time.
The participants were asked to fill out a single questionnaire over the entire 11 year period.
It's total horsesh■t.
Observational studies are junk.
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My cholesterol was sky high (391 total, 282 LDL, 176 ApoB). My whole family has super high cholesterol and doesn't think that cholesterol matters. I had in "incident" at age 61 that could have been a very mild heart attack. I've been binge watching these videos and decided to go vegan, no SOS. No more cream in my coffee (I had about 1/4 to 1/2 cup of cream daily). After 7 weeks, my total cholesterol is down to 207, LDL is 118, ApoB is 91. I was astounded!
Triglycerides are the bug problem, not cholesterol.
Low cholesterol is the source of all sorts of hormonal and brain problems. Please be careful.
Keep going wfpb. I had CABGx4 bypass surgery 5 years ago. Scared me to Diet action and wfpb. EVERYTHING GOT BETTER!! My total cholesterol is now < 140, LDL < 60, BP < 110/65, A1c < 5.5%, 60% blocked carotids cleared up, stage 3 CKD chronic kidney disease went away eGFR > 60, weight decreased 75 pounds. But my age increased to 81. 🙂 I guess that's actually good news, too. Eating great plant
Once u do the fat withdrawal, u no longer cravethise unhealthy creamy fats!
Well done. I hope your health goes from strength to strength.
I've never seen any Proponant, Dr. or other say that KETO is good for everyone. I've always noted that hereditary is a factor when it comes to Cholesterol and they ALL tell you to speak to your Dr.
Know your family history and do the research.
About 2 months into intermittent fasting and keto. Every fibre in my body tells me this is the healthiest I have been in decades.
Blood pressure, LDL still good, finally out of the obese BMI range for the first time in 20 years.
Let us know how you are doing a year from now.
@@chiyerano i am considerably more optimistic about a year from now, than I was three months ago, but I take your point.
A link to the study would be nice
You're not going to get actual sources from activists...
Exactly! I was looking for a link to the study and nothing!
Very interesting. But carbs, nowadays, are not just fruits. The guest panelist seems to ignore the effects of sugars and processed foods. Again, carbs are not just fruits.
To me , I heard it as good carbs in fruits and veg. The rest are bad.
Dr. Bernard mentions “at risk” when referencing the UK studies, not actual cardiac incidents. Traditional medicine considers high LDL and overall cholesterol risk factors for a heart attack or stroke. They aren’t necessarily risk factors if the LDL is of the healthy kind and inflammation in the body is low.
I tried going low-carb and I couldn't do it. When I was a runner I carb-loaded before racing. I love dipping my morning coffee via any carb. So I do intermitten fasting and that has gotten me from over 211lbs to 187lbs. And at 69yrs I am able to interval walking 2mins and 30secs of jogging for exercising to keep my strength and balancing up and running for sure. I also tried to eat more bacon and eggs and that got old really fast. I do not eat bacon or much of any meets even before attempting to go Keto-low-carb.
Super interesting science around running and zone 2 training in the last few years. It is all about training your fat burning zone 2 mitochondrial energy for the majority of the run. Save the glycogen for the sprints at the finish. Peter attia I think did a video on come 2.
@@actyrrel So, it's not that you couldn't do it, you didn't want to do it more than you wanted other things.
I think "Fully Raw Christina" has convinced me - 100% raw is the best way to go, even if you do it 3 x times a week
The best way to go? She is 36 and looks 55..what are you talking about start eating grass fed meat before it's too late.
Interesting. I suffer with hypertension and attended my immigration medical with a BP of 180/140 back in September 2021. After a year on lisinopril and another drug I forget the name of, I started presenting edema in my lips which is an issue for black people. I started researching and found out about keto and hypertension.
This morning my reading was 123/87. I have been eating the ketogenic diet for 4 months now and I know keto has made the difference along with high dosage vitamin D with K2, exercise and drinking lots of water😊Works for me😀Btw I didn’t go on keto to lose weight as I am a petite woman, 126lbs, in my early 50s.
Like the podcast all the same😊
Yea he is wrong on this... He still thinks saturated fats leads to heart attacks... The best evidence for that was from ancel keys, which was debunked to be a biased study with cherry picked data... Your doing the right thing... Keep it up
love you brother keep it up; for me I am 80 yrs old and still kicking; never felt better. And am I going to believe the AMA.THEY RECOMEDED THE JAB.GOOD LUCK WITH THAT/
Keto is lowering blood pressure and reducing edema. We usually have sugar stored between muscles, so we are always ready for fast movements having energy ready.
In keto, you don‘t really get enough carbs to refill those stores and they stores are empty.
The stores have also an other function, keeping water in your tissues. If they are empty, the body struggles to hold onto the water you do drink. And in your case, it is exactly what you want.
But if that works well for you, there might also be the question if an diuretic - works in a similar way- would work well for you.
But if you ask me, keep with unsaturated fat on keto to avoid high LDL-C.
Listen to Sten Ekberg. He will set it straight. He recommends starcjy vegetables, berries, flax meal, there is plenty of fiber. Cut out sugar, white flour, etc. And you're not always hungry. It's about eating fewer times a day to leep your insulin from fluctuating.
He is not a medical doctor, he is a chiropractor.
@@blambrax Well he has helped millions more people than any medical doctor ever has. I have seen several medical doctors in my 66 years, and none of them have ever helped me reverse all the chronic health conditions i suffered with for decades. The advice of holistic doctor Ekberg did.
Yes! He is the very best!
@@tonyprice2256 Agreed. Medical doctors have only wanted me as a lifelong patient on pills. Ask them for solutions and they just give blank stares!
Berg=scientologist+cyroptaktor
Ekberg= holistic dr, former olimpic
Another paid and bought for doctor,no doubt on the big pharma payrol😮
Studies show that internal bone composition going back 1000 years and more that they primarily ate animal flesh and associated fats.
They didn't survive on a couple of tubers and berries.
I have been listening to some keto guys. Not all keto people take away all the fruits and vegetables ands substitute them by cheese, meet, etc. they still eat 50% of veggies at least, and a smaller percentage of fruits.
Exactly, a truly healthy Keto diet doesn't cut out all vegetables.
@@gryndal5741 A "true" keto diet is any diet that induces ketosis while also providing nutrients to remain alive and in good health. That's it.
@@gryndal5741 .... right. But they do cut out the "starchy ones".
Eat lotsa fruit, it's only 300 calories a pound. Berries are 200 calories a pound
How do we prevent heart problems, fatty liver disease, cancer, or kidney damage? Most of the foods we eat are full of sugar, salt, and sodium. What diet is recommended for us? Processed food is made with high fructose corn syrup and unhealthy oils. Eating out occasionally at different restaurants is also unhealthy because the foods are full of fat, sugar, fructose, salt, sodium, and harmful oils.
Humans prevent heart problems the same way all animals prevent heart problems - eat only the things that are appropriate for your species.
Cow's don't have heart disease.
They only eat plants.
Lions don't have heart disease.
They only eat meat.
How can this be? Meat is supposed to cause heart disease, right?
Well, if an animal's digestive system specializes in processing meat, meat will never cause heart disease in that animal.
Well, do you think humans are closer to cows or lions in terms of their digestive systems?
Let's take a look at just two comparisons:
1) Ruminating chambers
Has ruminating chambers?
Cows--Lions--humans
✅️----❌️----❌️
2) Stomach acid strength
Cows--Lions--humans
6.2----1.5----1.5
So, from just these two points, you can see that humans are very different from cows and more similar to lions in terms of their digestive system.
Lions eat only meat and do not get heart disease.
Humans have similar digestive systems to lions.
Therefore, humans can eat meat without creating heart disease.
One of the biggest myths in modern nutrition is that meat is bad for humans.
If you want to get into all the details about how that myth began and how it is maintained today, check out a book called The Big Fat Surprise.
If you want a healthy heart, eat more like a lion than a cow.
Right, restaurants are notorious for adding tons of sugar, salt & oil to their food
Thank god for a little truth amidst all of the proponents of unhealthy low carb diets.
I don't know of anyone on a fatty carnivore diet that who is obese! For thousand of years we have eaten only meat, as metter of the fact, during most of the year all north hemisphere is frozen and there was nothing else to eat that animals...
It's not low carb, high fat. It's low refined or no refined carbs, but high in good carbs such as cruciferous vegetables, high in protein and moderate fat. That's the clean Keto diet.
Plant oils best??? Absolutely untrue!!!
I was the manager of the Sheffield branch of the UK Biobank. It is awesome to hear results being mentioned from that study.😊
Could you post a link of the study you're referring to? Would love to see it / read it
Chuck: look up the pronunciation of "ravenous" -- unless the appetites of which you spoke were for corvids, in which case, excuse the intrusion. Love your work.
Dangit, America's Daylight Savings Time is two weeks ahead of Germany's and made me miss the live stream!
Woohooo! Thank you 🙏 ❤
Please post a link to the study. I’m guessing it doesn’t say what is claimed. LDL is a protein not cholesterol. If you can’t even get that right I am skeptical of what is put out here.
My LDL went down but HDL went up.
Doctors: Avoid meat. Go vegetarian.
Doctors: Avoid fruits and a vegetarian diet. Eat a lot of meat and fat.
Layperson: What should I do?
Worst is SAD, so anything other is better...
If carbs were as fattening as the low carb faction claims, I'd be profiled on _My 600 Pound Life_ . Instead, I'm 460 pounds short of qualifying.
its not the carbs, its when you combine lots of carbohydrate with lots of fat is where the issues lies.
@@sharkair2839 More specifically, it's the bad carbs and the bad fats. Of course, so many in the low carb faction seem to think that the carbs in oat bran are just like the carbs in donuts.
@@jasonhsu4711 a donut has carbs and a lot of fat. no one thinks that's healthy.
i am carbohydrate intolerant. oat bran has at least 50 carbs or more depending on how much you eat. that would blast my glucose significantly. my glucose right now is 89. i can easily keep it under 100 the rest of the day. there are people that would kill to have normal glucose and stay under 100 all day. i am having a tin of sardines and a glass of wine. quite enjoyable. i have to do what works for me. i have no problem if others eat a different diet. whatever works best.
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@@sharkair2839 will not work for those who are biased. I easily put on weight on rice without eating junk. I need healthy fats but even with low oil three times a day rice n legume diet I had put on weight in a week
According to chatgpt meta-analysis in American journal of Clinical Nutrition data from 43 studies found no significant association between saturated fat intake and risk of cardiovascular disease.
At 76 I study the meta-analysis rather than one study.
My own diet is mostly vegetarian with lots of nuts probiots prebiotics a little meat and more fish. I do a 4/20 intermittent fasting 4 days a week and no problem with carbs at times. I forgot lots and lots of olive oil.
I decided to use Moderation in conjunction with 16/8 !
What's moderation?
Same here!
QUACK, QUACK !
I don't like it when studies use "risk" to evaluate things. What do they mean by "risk"? Higher LDL? Not persuasive at all. We should focus on studies with hard clinical endpoints like death or disability.
Thank you very much 🙏 for this interview video and informations 🌻🪴🍀
Also the voice Quality of Dr. Barnard is good this time (but it can be better) 👌👍
Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤ Love you 😘
Thank you Chuck, Dr Barnard and the Gregory J Reiter Fund
Thank you Dr Bernard 🎉 I'm here because my doctor recommended PCRM for a healthier lifestyle to improve my medical ailments. It worked! I'm passing the information on to anyone that will hear 🎉
The title is right I had fast heart beat on carnivore now I ate healthy carbs feel better
There's multiple studies that show carbohydrates spike insulin and blood glucose that causes inflammation to the soft tissues, this is then repaired by plaquing.
You become insulin resistant and then diabetic because you keep spiking insulin with carbohydrates.
@@realqualia7175 well protein doesn't spike insulin, it raises it, only carbs spike it.
But I agree on the eating plan
Ketones poisoned your body? Are ypu serious?
You can do healthy keto: healthy fats and and oily fish plus nuts. ( not necessarily bacon steaks cheese eggs cream sausages)😂
PLEASE ?????? Would you PLEASE explain the differences in OMEGA 3 and OMEGA 6 and tell me which I need more and how much? THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I'll keep watching.
To me it is ALL about balance. Also not everything works for everybody. Do what works for you. Make changes slowly. I like to eat a variety. A little fat. A little protein. A little meat. But alot of greens. Salmon one day. Vegetables with no meat another day. A baked potato with butter but not everyday. Some nuts but not everyday. Except I do eat 3 or 4 brazil everyday for the selenium. Many times a eat a small piece of liver just because of high vitamin count. Cheap too! I buy packages of 4 slices. Only $2.75 at Walmart. I eat half a piece a day. $2.75 for a whole week! Sometimes I will even make one package go 2 weeks. Takes just a little. Chew your meat real good. That is VERY important. Take kelp capsules everyday. If you have a low thyroid output take 10 to 15,000 IU of D3/ K2 or eat greens with K2 in them. Just telling you what works for me. Drink plenty of water. Do pink salt and some sea salt for minerals and electrolytes. I eat two somewhat small meals a day. Never gorge yourself. Eat a small amount of fruit unless you cannot. To me it is not wise to eat only meat or only eat plants. I do believe it is better to eat greens/ vegetables as 75% and no more than 20 to 25% meat. Just my opinion. I eat big salads. That is the only thing I go big on.
This is eye-opening. I'm going vegan because I want to look frail and wispy like you guys.
😂😂😂
Check out Rip Esselstyn. Dude is plant-based and is not frail and wispy.
Maybe some are not so obsessed with fitness spending hours lifting weights. As for the "normal" people, many of them who are over 40 are overweight. The best scenery of fat exposure is the beach. 😅
What is the best type of calcium to take for your bones as a senior and should there be anything else in the supplement like K2, K7 or magnesium? Or should calcium and magnesium be taken separately.
5oz. of tofu has about 500mg of calcium. Just warm up in water and put soy sauce or lemon juice on it. Yes, K2 mk7. Extra firm tofu is best.
@@utsandstone , love mock tofu egg salad on toast!
Dr McDougall says not to take supplements. U would get all the calcium u need from a Whole Food Plant based diet.
You shouldn't be taking calcium at all because there's already an abundant amount floating in your arteries that needed to be directed back into your bones via K2 preferably menaquinone 7 variety back into your bones.
You can take multiple pills at a time. Calcium from plants like algae is best. Liposomal vitamin K2 with D3 and magnesium work together. I'd recommend 1-2 mg of K2 but even 300mcg works.
Liquid oils are high in polyunsaturated fats, multiple double carbon bonds, highly unstable, especially when heated they oxidize and break down to free radicals.
Here’s a thought -
Not too much food
Lots of good veges and oils
Fish meats reasonable mix
Lots of water
No or minimum processed foods
Regular exercise -
Isn’t low carb part of someone’s diet how simple eats a regular diet but eats very modestly.
How about this,no carbs,No processed foods,lots of eggs,fish,beef,prk,bacon,lamb etc,lots of water oh and none or little fruit😊
The big problems with keto are the lack of fibre, lack of nutrients, and loading up on unwanted cholesterol. Many of keto dieters are quite happy to eat dozens of eggs a week, bacon by the slab and loads of dairy… with some veggies on occasion. And then drink oil loaded coffee to be able to go to loo.
What most keto followers seem to forget is that following a whole food, plant based way of eating also gets rid of heavily processed junk food and sugars. And if your cholesterol IS high then stay away from oils and fats as well. Basically, go and eat the wonderful array of plants that we have available and get on with your life. (And where you can get and can afford to, eat organically grown crops rather than items from monoculture farms.)
I believe the key is whole foods... no processed foods, no wheat, no bad oils, eat meats, eggs, veggies and limited fruits.
Let's see what Neal Barnard has to say about that. He is sold to biased animal based agenda else why he is quiet on PETA investing in lab meat
Point taken. I don't like the phrase 'processed foods' because under some of the FDA guidelines, dried spices are considered 'processed' foods. I prefer the phrase 'refined foods' at least for plant based foods for foods to be avoided. Processed meat on the other hand is definitely harmful.
why dont you precent some data that prooves your nonsens?
Thanks
Hard to swallow after a 6 weeks of keto but my ldl did go up despite the weight loss, iguess it's back to the grindstone
Another wonderful podcast! Thank you!!
Not wonderful. First problem:
■ The "low carb" diet used in this study isn't low carb, it's 25% of calories from carbs.
Low carb is 20 total grams of carbs per day -- the requirement to generally induce ketosis.
So, right off the bat, this entire study is trash -- it isn't a study on low carb anything. It just made up its own definition of "low carb" and ran with it.
■ Neil Barnard claims "the whole idea of the low-carb diets was, 'you need to lose weight'."
1) Low carb diets are how all humans ate for hundreds of thousands of years -- it is an ancestrally and species-appropriate way of eating
2) In modern medicine, low-carb, ketogenic diets were first used to treat epilepsy, not for weight loss
So, in the first three minutes of the podcast, we get misinformation.
■ Neil goes on to claim that Ketones "sort of poison the body a little bit and tend to reduce appetite"
1) The human heart use ketones almost exclusively over glucose for energy. Why would this be if ketones were toxic?
2) The human brain prioritizes ketone use over glucose (not as much as the heart). Why would our brains prefer toxic ketones over glucose?
It's an utterly ridiculous claim.
■ Barnard also suggests that it is the lack of eating that causes weight loss on a low-carb diet -- that not eating carbs + appetite suppressing effects of ketones is what causes weight loss
1) Low carb diets induce fat loss by preventing carb-induced insulin spikes, and via ketosis -- when exogenous carbs are limited and insulin remains at a normal level, your body uses fat for energy so you lose fat. Very simple.
2) It has *_NOTHING_* to do with limiting portion size or calories -- it is virtually impossible to gain fat on a ketogenic diet regardless of calories consumed. I ate 12 eggs and two to three big, fatty steaks per day all cooked in butter and lost 30 lbs in three months. That's over 2500 calories per day.
■ Barnard says that people find low-carb diets unssustainable and want to "go back and have an apple and banana again"
Yes -- when you are literally addicted to sugar, you are going to get sugar cravings and want to eat sugar again if you stop eating sugar.
All addictive substances come from plants:
-- Nicotine
-- Cocaine
-- Opium
-- Caffeine
-- Sugar
What happens when you suddenly cut out any of those chemicals? You feel like sh■t, and get cravings for them...
...because you're an addict.
It's not that you want something healthy, it's that you're a sugar addict and apples are packed with sugar.
■ There isn't a single ---- not one ---- study that shows a causal relationship between cholesterol levels and heart disease.
The only studies that exist are epidemiological studies that show a "possible association" between cholesterol and heart disease.
And, those studies were so horribly constructed that the didn't even track whether or not the people being observed were drinkers, smokers, exercised, ate sugary foods, etc -- they are junk studies.
Those are the points from the first five minutes of this podcast.
It's *_laughable_* to think this show can be taken seriously.
This isn't science, it's *_religion._*
@White Rabbit 😂😂😂😂👍
@@Hertz2laugh Yet, the Inuit are incapable of going into ketosis, why do you think this is. Wouldn't they more than any other benefit from this if it's healthy?
@@11235Aodh I think you might be mistaking Inuits *having low free ketones* with Inuits not being able to go into ketosis.
Current methods of ketone testing do not measure ketone generation directly but only measure *_unused_* ketones in the blood.
The longer a person is in ketosis - a state in which the body is readily producing ketones and using them for fuel - the more efficient they become at using up ketones that are produced.
That's why people who are new to ketogenic eating tend to freak out when the ketone urine test strips show fewer ketones over time.
In other words, over time, a person in ketosis will have fewer and fewer free ketones because their body is getting better and better at producing exactly the amount of ketones needed, and better and better at rapidly using up available ketones.
Inuits are absolutely in ketosis, readily producing and using ketones. It's just that the way we test for ketones can only tell us about free, unsused ketones, not the actual rate of ketone production and use.
Eventually we'll probably be able to directly measure rate of production, and that will show that Inuits are in ketosis.
It's a tech and testing issue, not an Inuit issue.
Hope that makes
@White Rabbit That was me taking it easy.
Mate.
I’m so confused .. lol so canola oil is good now?
It's false to say this study looked at people following low-carb or keto-like diets as claimed in the study because people in the study were getting 25% of their calories from carbs. This is much higher than any keto or low carb diet. Insulin resistance and inflammation from excess glucose have been clearly implicated in the incidence of CVD. This was not a properly controlled study and is a very weak epidemiological study from which no conclusions regarding low-carb diets can be made (since none of the participants were on a low-carb diet).
My results on a zero-carb diet for four months: weight down 42 pounds, blood pressure down 30 points, arthritis pain significantly improved, dandruff gone, GERD gone, energy levels improved, mental clarity improved. Quit taking two blood pressure medications, one proton pump inhibitor, one statin, another cholesterol-lowering medication, and one pain pill and I feel great! I am able to exercise again and my health continues to improve daily.
This is the first time I've heard corn oil is the healthiest oil, healthier than olive oil. Dr. Barnard/Chuck, please clarify - Which are the healthiest oils?
Fake wisdom will see it's downfall. Do you think this host Chuck Caroll sits n eat corn oil or olive oil or what
Definitely not corn oil
No oil. You do not need it. Google sauteeing without oil, it's so easy to do (use water or broth instead!). You will get used to the non-greasy taste very quickly and you'll then wonder why you ever slathered fat on your salad or veggies or anything.
No oil. You do not need it. Google sauteeing without oil, it's so easy to do (use water or broth instead!). You will get used to the non-greasy taste very quickly and you'll then wonder why you ever slathered fat on your salad or veggies or anything.
No corn oil is full of omega 6s. I would rather have canola oil which is richer in omega 3s or olive oil.
Mmm... unsalted crunchy peanut butter is quite the morning snack on toast with bananas.
GOD FORBID if you have diabetes
Elvis sandwich
@@gbey1957 Whole grain, pure peanut butter, and bananas is not the same as a peanut butter and banana sandwich on white bread with a layer of bacon and fried in butter. Check the facts bro :)
@@dalialovesdoggies4361 As an older guy who exercises a couple hours a day and who has never had diabetes, I have no idea what you're talking about. I have seen research that shows that fruit and whole grains have benefits for diabetes despite the common believe of the opposite.
Keto diet made me lethargic and feel sick. I cut out majority of grains. Been WFPB for 17 years, then adapted Dr. Barnards minimum oils and introduced heaps more whole grains in. Never had more energy in my life, and my weight is the lowest it has been. I also think clearer, which after having brain surgery is a massive bonus.
There's a TH-cam channel called "low carb down under" which has a lot of dr's on promoting high fat keto, apparently on scientific basis.
I would be happy if there would be more of a concensus instead of a polarisation about this subject.
I'm a vegetarian so I'm very happy with my veggies and I'm not over or under weight, I do have a chronicly rather high blood pressure though.
I did keto for two years i ate more meats, dairy and less fruits and vegie i loose weight definitely but after a while a develop autoimmune disease and leaky gut ....now im trying heal my leaky gut by eating more fiber and fruits, no oil no meat and no dairy ..
You guys are the best! 🎉💜
Thanks for this recent data on Keto!!!
What recent data?
This study was on diets that were 25% calories as carbs.
That's completely different than keto.
These people *_intentionally_* don't tell you that.
They are abusing your trust in them to feed you misinformation.
They are *_activists,_* not scientists.
Yes , where is the study? I do keto and I am a diabetic. I eat plenty of vegetables and eat berry fruits and kiwi. I do eat avocados, extra virgin olive oil, pecans and walnuts. I use beef tallo and ghee. All keto isn’t the same. I wish I could ask them questions.
Why do people only have events in LA and New York? People in the midwest really need your help. Please consider coming to Detroit, Michigan
They're elitists that don't actually give a sh■t about the common person.
So shut up and buy their supplements.
Patience, my friend. Help is on the way! I'm all over. I'll be back in the midwest soon and speaking in St. Louis and OKC later this year. Denver as well, which is a littler further west. In the interim, check out my friend Marc Ramirez at Chickpea and Bean. He's in Detroit and doing AMAZING things.
@@theweightlosschampion2314 thank you so much!
Is it poosible that you and Dr Neal Barnard talk about how to help someone like myself who has been struggled with weight loss no matter what you do ( exercise, very low fat diet, no added oil, whole food , no process food, no juice, no process food, no smoothies).
Have you looked into "How not to Diet?"
eat more vegetables. Fill up your stomach with low-calories vegetables.
Try fasting over 16 hrs 3 times a week and progress from there
Weight loss is achieved by eating fewer calories then you use up being alive and moving your butt. Short of cutting off a limb or two there is no other way! If you are not losing weight then you are eating too much and/or not physically active enough. This is true for every animal on our planet. This is not debatable.
@@czealtamahawk1228 I usually di IF 16/8 almostt every day😊
I have non alcoholic fatty liver. Could you do a show that takes a deep dive into this condition - how it happens, how long it takes before cirrhosis, is it reversible, and if so, what do I do to get this under control?
Check out Dr. Robert H Lustig on TH-cam. Also books - “Metabolical” and “Fat Chance”.
Check out Dr. Ken Berry, Dr. Rob Cywes, and Dr. Shawn Baker on TH-cam.
Other TH-cam channels with helpful information are “Low Carb Down Under” and Ivor Cummins’ “Fat Emperor”. Nonalcoholic fatty liver is reversible!
The parts that are calcified and scarred will never heal, but the other parts will. Check out dr. Peter Rogers and dr. John Mc Dougall. Low fat plant based is best for our liver, bloodvessels and cells.
non-alcoholic fatty liver is a result of too much carb in your diet, which includes fruit. try fasting one day per week, try 16/8 or some other sort of Int. Fasting a few days per week. And try to reduce your carb intake as much as humanly possible.
The link to the study please. I don't trust any expert who doesn't give the references.
My cardiologist told me to keep doing low carb. 😅 I don't eat any processed meat , chips , fast food etc. I get more fruits and veggies and lean meats.
I have ibs can a plant based diet be good for me
It will make it so much worse.
Ketogenic diet is best.
I fixed all my gut problems by cutting out carbs and plants.
Also D3 is like a hormone. It can mimic many other hormones to help you as you are healing. But it might take 5,000 to 25,000 IU a day while you are trying to get healthy. Get lots of sun and that number goes down. But you need K2 from greens or buy capsules that have K2 as part of the D3 capsule.
Natto can also help, it's a great source of k2.
You can take multiple pills with different nutrients at a time, similar effects. Liposomal vitamins are absorbed better so that is more important than taking it all in a pill.
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Why don’t you have a face to face discussion with the low carb guys?
I emailed this man several times to answer my question on his biases. He has no courage to respond
EXACTLEY. Try to challenge them
Barnard would get obliterated.
I'm a construction worker and I could completely destroy his entire position with just a few questions:
1) How many randomized control trials show that cholesterol contributes to heart disease?
2) How many of the existing epidemiological studies that show an association between elevated cholesterol and heart disease also made sure that the participants weren't (a) drinking, (b) smoking, (c) doing other drugs, etc, etc.
The answers are simple:
1) There are *_ZERO_* randomized control trials that show cholesterol has a causal link to heart disease. Not a single one.
2) There are *_ZERO_* existing epidemiological studies that actually adjusted for confounding factors like drug abuse, lack of exercise, existing health conditions, etc.
In other words, all of the "science" that Dr. Barnard is leaning on when he says "the studies show..." are all worthless.
There are no studies -- not a single one -- that are anywhere near the quality needed to show any link between cholesterol levels and heart disease.
And Barnard would try to sidestep the questions, and squirm around them, but I wouldn't let him move on.
The discussion wouldn't go anywhere until he provided specific studies to back up his "bad cholesterol" claims.
And then I would bring up each of those specific studies as he mentioned them, and show how the studies didn't account for drinking, smoking, and other terrible life-style choices.
And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Dr. Barnard is a Seventh Day Adventist or is funded by them.
Their religion is strictly against eating animals and they believe it is unhealthy by God's design.
They use their massive medical network to push the anti-meat eating agenda.
@@Hertz2laugh no kidding. Because they will not win
@@Hertz2laugh I eat everything. I dont touch processed, seed oil, sugars, etc. I do eat yummmmmy breads...muffins....bagels, puddings. Nut flours, stevia. My body THRIVES on red meat...I dont stuff myself. I do eat strawberries, blueberries ( a little bit), omlettes, avocados. There yiu go Mr. My diabetes us fantastic. One pill per day.
So misleading; you should be ashamed!!!!
Saturated fat comment is incorrect, it raises large particulate LDL not VLDL or IDL which carry more Triglycerides.
If I have high cholesterol and I taking meds, should I avoid avocado.. just found your channel and learning alot. Thank you.
I am not a vegan, but, I have a friend who is. She has a heart condition and issues with her HDL/LDL & BP; her doctor was ok with eating fresh avocado, & cooking with avocado oil. She does eat fresh avocado a few times per week, and sometimes cooks with the oil... but her diet is not high in fat. Avocado is a monounsaturated fat. 1 TBSPL. = 2g of saturated fat / 2g of polyunsaturated and 10g or monounsaturated fats. I would talk with your doctor/nutritionist and find out how many grams of saturated fats are safe to eat per day... then you can plan your meals accordingly based on what s/he recommends.
Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn doesn't recommend nuts, nut butters, seeds, avocados or olives if u have heart disease. Get his book " Prevent & Reverse Heart Disease"
Yes. Would suggest that you get hold of a copy of The Starch Solution by Dr McDougall - another doctor in the trenches who saw the massive positive difference that a low fat, whole-food, plant-based way of eating made to extremely sick people.
@@jazthing1 thank you
A keto diet is what you need, go to Ken Berry's TH-cam page, it's a top tier class on how to be healthy
Wow I thought this was Satire 😂….. I reversed type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure going carnivore 😊 lost 100 lbs and feel awesome 😎
Not satire, this is BS... Would go so far as to say, "clickbait" !!
Ah, another member of the Chomp on those Chops Church who has not actually listened to the videos on this channel - which are done by practicing medical practitioners and medical researchers who are making a massive positive difference in people lives.
@@annwilliams6438 as in going vegan? … yeah ok
@@annwilliams6438 'Chomp on chops church', what does that even mean ???
@@patrickol4300 Ha, ha. The religious zeal with which the vast majority of keto dieters will aggressively push an extremely heavy animal-based diet. The way that they put up the same OLD points is like the dogma of new converts to a cult - and, not surprisingly, the comments show over and over again that they have NOT bothered to go and listen to even a selection of the videos on this channel, or about the topic. As for the massive animal suffering from factory farming and environmental damage caused by this animal rich diet… all for the sake of losing weight at the start (which can be done - permanently- by eating a plant-based diet), I am ASTOUNDED by how the masters of the method and their followers, just ignore what they are doing. But the keto converts just HAVE to push THEIR religious mania onto others. Ugh. Going through this comment section is like being bombarded by the Moonies at an airport….