Was it Vault-Tec? - Who Dropped The Bombs First? Part 2 - Fallout Lore
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To answer a few recurring comments: Sure, the Vault-Tec logo could have been painted by scavvers on the bomb for fun after the war. But this wouldn't explain the same logo in the same spot on a similar bomb on the opposite side of the continent (if The One is canonical).
I do use mods in my game, but this logo does not come from any of my mods. Here is an image of how the logo appears on the bomb in a vanilla un-modded game: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/ee/Megatonbomb3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141122194823
It is not identical to a Vault-Tec logo, but it is so similar that it can't be coincidence. Note that Vault-Tec through the games does not have consistent branding. They change fonts and logo styles often. Or, maybe the Chinese painted it on their bomb, and got the logo wrong.
The logo on the bomb is not a USAF roundel--but even if it was, what would a USAF roundel be doing on a Chinese bomb anyway? All known USAF airplane insignia in our world either have a circle with a dot in the middle BUT no wings/lines through the sphere, or have the wings/lines but instead of the dot, have a star. There is no known UASF airplane insignia with both wings and a dot in the circle without a star. Also, the USAF roundel was never painted on bombs. It's for aircraft only. So either we believe that the USAF painted a roundel which doesn't resemble any known roundel in USAF history, not on an aircraft, but on a bomb, which they have never done before, OR, that it's the Vault-Tec logo, which it resembles.
Here is a list of all historical USAF roundels, past and present--none of them look like the one on the bomb: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_aircraft_national_insignia
Here is a list of world aircraft insignia, past and present. Search the page for China, and you will find a lot of stars and stripes, but none that look like our logo on the Megaton bomb: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_insignia
The nail in the coffin, however, is that we find a USAF roundel on the side of a crashed jet in Point Lookout. It looks like the one we're familiar with--a star in a circle with wings: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/62/Fo3PL_Jet_Crash_Site.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130407212410
And the Chinese Bomber from Operation Anchorage uses a single star as insignia. Nothing like what we find on the bomb in Megaton: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/3/36/Fo3OA_Chinese_Bomber.png/revision/latest?cb=20090716130413
Megaton was not constructed from the wreckage of the plane that was carrying the bomb in the center of the town. Manya Vargas tells us that her father and the early settlers dragged the airplane parts from a nearby ruined airport to the site of Megaton to build the town. There is no evidence that the parts came from the plane that was carrying the bomb.
@@michaellevitan9427 I'm happy to be proven wrong. Can you share with me an image of the USAF roundel that appears on the bomb? I just shared a link with every known USAF airplane insignia in our world, and it's none of those.
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wow classic OXhorn detailed research much love there for sure and the airforce logo is on the other side of the bomb or i thought lol i like every one am flawed, ps i miss the oxhorn sailing ships of smoke we used to enjoy pre game show may need to bring that back..
Happy nuke day ox
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I cant count how many times I disabled that bomb in Megaton and never realized the Vault-Tec logo on it...mind=blown
Like the bomb if you triggered it to explode
@@duskycat2326 clever gal
@Marxman42 I can't count how many times I detonated it!! 😂😂
Same mind blown
Same
Vault-Tec being revealed to still be operational and keeping tabs on everything, perhaps from some underground facility a la the Institute, would be a good basis for another Fallout game.
*cough* Enclave *cough*
@@thefinalfrontier318
That's the remnants of the U.S. Government.
Disobeying vault tec is a capital offense. Have a nice day 😃
@@dilloncooper3992 Vault Tech is part of the enclave. The vaults are operated from afar by the enclave.
Dillon Cooper
Vault tec was working for the enclave. The experiments made where because the enclave wanted to colonize other planets and they made the experiments to test human condition. It is confirmed that vault tec, west tek and Poseidon energy where all under control of the enclave.
"Its not like vault tech was flying over china and dropped the bomb missed and hit america"
Thats xcom baby
Xcom: 100% chance to hit
Soldier: Misses and gets teammate killed
Player: Wat!?!
THATS XCOM BABY
As someone who plays xcom I can relate
Now it all makes sense, there was a 0% chance vault tec would be destroyed by the bombs
“If found, please return to Vault-Tec immediately.”
Zamonac and report your violation to the person in charge
"A reward is offered for the safe return of this munition to the US government." Literally seen it on actual bombs. Lol
I would make sure to return in to Vault-Tec, but armed xD
In case of non-detonation, please call Vault-Tec Support.
*Vault-Tec Wants to know your Location*
NPC ah, this meme is the best.
Me: Ok here it is Poesidon Oil Rig.
Vault tec: k I declare war on enclave and it's new America.
Me: ok I'll send enclave patrols to every vault even vault 76.
Vault tec: WTF you mofo will die because we are reengineering a new America and you will face the end of all life. You will never make it to 76.
Me: lol really? K say goodbye to Washington and Virginia.
Vault tec: Fallout 76.
Cody. Vault tec was founded by the enclave. The enclave was a former section of the usa goverment.
I always felt that it seemed like Vault Tec would have wanted at least another 5-10 years to prepare. So many vaults were incomplete and they also were caught completely off guard in some cases, so I doubt Vault Tec was responsible.
I had the same idea
True and also destroying most of economy also destroys point of making sh*t ton of money. Who will pay for it if everyone is dead lol
@@user-sx6rm9uu7q As in Fallout 4, most vaults were experiments. Maybe they stopped caring about the money and wanted to conduct this horrific experiment?
@@user-sx6rm9uu7q who cares about money when you have all the power? Money its just a way to exchange stuff
That's why I like the mistake explanation from part 1 (where Vault Tec drops bombs, but only one or two and accidentally cause everyone else to bomb each other). Under this explanation, if they miscaluclated, they might have thought they would have more time before they needed all of the vaults to be operational and assumed that the government either wouldn't know about the experiments (because too busy freaking out trying to figure out who dropped what bomb) or would approv (as you see in some of the games (e.g. new vegas), the 'democratic' united states of 2077 didn't care about the poeple's rights that much any more and many of the experiments where about creating a version of humanity that could survive the fallout/be better fighters)... The biggest fault in this, however, is that it wold be a very stupid miscalculation. Accidentally starting nuclear Armageddon has been a guine fear in humanities consciousness since it became a possibility (at least from what I have seen). That's why so many people, in the different terminal reports, seemed so surprised. It was a frightening possibility, one everyone wanted to prepare for - but no one actually thought anyone would be stupid enough to set off a bomb, given everyone knew even an accidental, one-off could end the world
The "all-clear" came from the Enclave, we see this in Fallout 2, they sent the signal to vault 13 so they could then kidnap the inhabitants. It was also stated the Enclave had monitoring equipment in their Oil Rig...
It makes sense because motus is extremely interested in the nukes
@@claytonrandall1233 But why does it instruct them to NOT share it with any american government officials?
@@voilvelev6775 the enclave isn't in complete control of the government they are more a roge element and they don't want a part of the government who wasn't with them to be able to access the vaults
*i still believe it was the vault ten rep guy by pushing a button on his collar when he left your house*
Oh damn.
You have to understand, vault tec made profit by peoples fear of nuclear detonations, the reps have to make you as scared as possible.
@@simpler1117 they wouldn't give a rep that power but maybe they told him to do it without telling him what it was
No but he was nervous he knew it was coming
*the only thing he didn't anticipate was that he wasn't on the list*
"Huge veins of uranium"
URANIUM FEVER HAS NEVER GOT ME DOWN!
Gone and got me Down not never got me Down
Game creators: Eh, screw it, the Chinese dropped the bombs.
Oxhorn: Did vault tec launch the bombs?
Game creators: Uh pfft, ye-yeah, vault tec dropped the bombs
*vigorously retypes the game script*
vault tec logo is on some bombs
@@rustybananaproductio the logo on the bomb is missing a line on each side and the circle isn't connected
@@PupperTiggle the impact may have scratched some painto off
@@TantalumPolytope specifically those two lines?
the warheads in Fort Constantine have the same model as the warhead in megaton
This aged like fine wine.
Re: the bombs ended up on American on accident.
If an American bomber experienced mechanical failure orsustained damage from engagement with an enemy fighter ( or passing UFOs perhaps ) - and was critically damaged, but still airborne, or otherwise unable to proceed on mission - standard procedure would have been to disarm and safe the weapon before jettisoning it, and then returning to base or proceed with emergency landing. ( no one, I mean no one wants to belly land a bomber with a few hundred kilotons in the bay, especially not at a valuable airbase )
There have been historical examples of this from our own history - a bomb was lost off the coast of North Carolina i believe -
So the bombs being of American origin and on American soil is plausible, and given the number of bombers that would have taken off - under a small time frame, or been caught as the warheads came in - I'd argue that the likelyhood of at least two American bombers needing to ditch is very high.
Excellent point!!!
i was thinking the same thing (that bomb in NC landed near Greensboro) which is a heavily populated city so its not beyond reason that this happened , and even if the bomb landed somewhere out of the way the children of atom came to worship it, with that came needs for the worshipers and with that came the city of megaton
It was Osama Bin Ladens son who got ahold of the Nuke
To add to your point the crater at megaton wasn’t created by just the bomb it was an entire plane that crashed. If you talk to Nathan’s wife in megaton (she was there when the town was built) she says that they created the place out of the remains of a large aircraft crashed there. My personal theory is that it was an American bomber or cargo plane the was knocked out of the sky by the EMP that nukes emit when detonated and crashed there. That would explain why it’s an American munition on American soil.
Maybe the Chinese had infiltrated vault tec, and reason would be based on mama dolces processed foods in fallout 3
This reminds me of the fbi meme
'Vault-Tec dropped the bombs'
*receives notification*
Vault-Tec wants to know your location
Anyone else feels bad for people during this time period when there was hope for Fallout 76 ?
Was just about to comment "Found any answer in the shithole called 76 >
I just bought a copy for $9 lol I feel so bad for everyone who was hyped for this game and bought it at full price
Don't know how anyone thought it would be good. Online only, no human npcs, no factions which makes the game so not a fallout game.
It was doom to fail
HURR DURR BETHESDA BAD NOTHING WILL EVER BE BETTER THAN NEW VEGAS HURR DURRRR
What a piece of garbage
People acting surprised from the show but real ones knew over 10 years ago it was vault Tec. Also, vault tec was in on the experiments so of course they’d be on board with the bombs dropping. It was always more than profit
I like the fact that both of these episodes are on oktober 23 nice little detail
Dutch?
*ITS OKTOLINGBER BOI REAL IT!!!*
Orktober
@Poly lmao
@@lucasbiermann257 Probably
The Vault Tec logo has 3 prongs to either side, not two. It certainly makes sense to be Chinese espionage that had some mistakes in it.
I believe that if we can see the logos on the earlier fallout games the logo may have only two bars instead of three bars
I can just hear the conversation now...
(Fallout Universe 2077: Chinese Spy POV): "Comrade Zing, this is Rising Dragon, I have the blueprints for the American tactical nuke, What should I do with them?"
(Chinese Spy Contact): "Deliver them to the provided address comrade, I know exactly what to do with them"
200 Years Later...
(Scavenger 1): "Hey Larry?"
(Scavenger 2): "Yeah Bob?"
(Scavenger 1): -Points Toward Dud Nuke "Why does that old bomb have that vault-smec symbol on it?"
(Scavenger 2): -Looks closely at the symbol, squinting "That's not it Bob, it has three lines, this only has two"
(Scavenger 1): "Oh, okay" -Both go back to scavenging for supplies in some unnamed ruins.
Somewhere in the Radioactive ruins of Beijing, China...
-The skeletal and radioactive remains of some long dead official suddenly begin to spin at near super-sonic speeds, severely frightening and injuring several nearby glowing one's.
Sairus Borg or maybe he had another idea like yours, couldn’t possibly be that though could it.
Well the paint could've chipped off it was hit by shrapnel and worshiped by crazies
Bros a fallout prophet
Imagine coming out of the vault on reclamation day just to get your eyebrows burnt off by a nuke
I always believed vault tec started the war so that in the aftermath they could make the new world in their own image.
wow
I would not rule out accidental. It does not make sense for a Chinese aircraft to make it to DC area or Nevada for that matter. Consider the 1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash where US accidentally bombed North Carolina with two nukes. In a war situation you would want to nuke the Chinese Navy as a countermeasure. EMP from the nukes could disable or damage any aircraft which could make it drop its payload earlier than intended. This would explain why it did not detonate as it perhaps was not armed.
This was my thought, there's also that missing pilot whose plane was found without the bombs he for sure had as it was a BOMBING exercise and we...just can't find them (thankfully, not nukes).
I'm curious about the state if aircraft carriers in the fallout univers. Other nations aswell, but like supernatural, it does seem to be more of an America set franchise, which I can appreciate.
@@Saitaina possibly sold? Or is that unlikely?
Dam it, I'm in NC 😕
If the planes are like most of the tech for the fallout universe then the emp wouldn’t affect them because they are analog not digital, the tubes and fuses are not sensitive to emps like digital tech is so they vehicles can still operate even in an emp zone ( I plan on keeping cars front the 69’s to early70’s to be on the safe side)
Actually, according to the lore the data used for the Vaultec experiments went into the rocketship that the Enclave was building as a sort of survival field guide for when they made their inevitable trip into space.
How did the get data if everything got fuked
Who’s here after watching the show? I f-ing knew they were responsible!
I would like a Fallout spin off made by different developers in the role of a pre war Vault-Tec scientist, who realises the company is evil and corrupt.
After watching Fallout TV series, this all make sense now. This video aged like fine wine indeed.
It's not Vault tec's logo on the bombs, and Vault tec has nothing to gain from actually bringing doomsday to the world
They called him a madman... but he saw it before all of us
It's not Vault tec's logo on the bombs, and Vault tec has nothing to gain from actually bringing doomsday to the world
@@jeanf.1979 both statements are false I'm afraid
@@JoseAndrada-ku8mlthey're not, you just have to think for 2 seconds
@@jeanf.1979 good talk, god bless you
It was Preston Garvey he needed someone to do his laundry.
Thanks...Babe
jubjub501st he secretly snuck into one of the vault 111 cryo pods
We do not mention him here, he is dead, i killed them all.
He needed settlements to send you to
@@scottieray Bruh, You Gai
What if Vault tec is the institute. And they didn’t want to be under the name vault tec due to it not being able to help them in the long run. The Institute knew about vault 111 and they knew about shaun being there, they knew it was cryo freeze and they are scientists. The institute does a lot of experiments that are similar to vault tec experiments (FEV VIRUS) the institute is also very modern and pre war their equipment is also very modern thus meaning it is pre war and it was built by a very rich person/ company and the agreement of shaun becoming the leader of the institute could possibly be written within the documents that the player never gets to read
I truly hope Oxhorn looks into this theory.
Could be
I actually had that theory too before I finally got to the institute in my Fallout 4 playthrough. A lot of stuff lines up between the institute and Vault-Tec. Not just having access to vault information systems, and carrying out FEV experiments (which when the bombs dropped, had been relegated entirely to Mariposa, but had originally been in a few vaults [also: the Secret Vault, if you care about the xbox shooter]), but thematically as people searching for a better living, while underground.
Maybe during the transition from vault tec to the institute they decided to not be relevant towards vault tec so then they abandoned everything vault tec related
i think you're onto something, especially considering that when you're making a speech to the commonwealth during the institute storyline, you can refer to the institute with the phrase "a better life, underground" which at least draws parallels between them and vault-tec
I destroyed them so who cares.
Oxhorn: Vault-tec's business was excavations into the earth
Also Oxhorn: proceeds to decimate a coyote with excessive force
Me: Informative!
Coming back to this after seeing the Fallout show is crazy
You had me until about 14 minutes in. It's happened in the past, that planes in peacetime/coldwartime have been carrying nuclear bombs over american soil.
In 1958, a Convair B-47 was engaged in a training exercise with an active nuclear bomb, which didn't have its fissile core in at the time. By accident, it was dropped on Florence, south carolina, and the charges that would've set the fissile core off destoryed a house and injured 6 people.
Also in 1958, another B-47 collided mid-air with an F-86 fighter over the coast of Georgia during a practice exercise, and in order to save the plane and the crew, a mark 15 nuclear bomb was dropped into the atlantic, and never found.
The bomb from megaton very well could have been carried by a plane over US soil that WASN'T bombing China, but was simply transporting it or performing a training exercise. We know the nuclear detonations downed airplanes from all the crashed airliners in Fallout 4, so it's possible, nay, likely that the Megaton bomb was dropped from a plane that dumped it while trying to avoid a crash, perhaps coming in to land at the nearby airport where all the plane parts that built Megaton were salvaged from.
Vault-Tec could thus have manufactured the bomb this US bomber was carrying while it flew over US soil, without selling to the enemy. The plane didn't HAVE to be bombing China, or to have originated from China. There was an air force base near to megaton, after all. Very possible that the bomb came from there, and that's why it dropped while not being armed to detonate.
It could also have been headed for China, and crashed due to EMP/turbulence from an explosion/crew dying of radiation poisoning. In our universe, we developed the B-2 Spirit bomber, capable of reaching anywhere on the planet in a single flight, in the 1980s. Why couldn't that America have developed similar long-range bombers by 2077?
This is a really good point. And the most likely explanation. I found it really weird that Oxhorn, out of all people, would rule out this theory.
Its a pretty solid guess that the megaton bomb is an US one, possible from a Bomber that scrambled from Adams AFB but didn't make it far enough and was hit by emp or shockwave. The US and USSR both experimented with nuclear powered bombers in the 50's, so its likely they also existed in FO.
@@sternencolonel7328 also megaton is literally made of a fucking plane
But, the one (in fallout new vegas) was disarmed by house. It’s timer was originally counting down when it was disarmed.
Is it me or can anyone else just sit and listen to Ox talk all day. Love his lore telling story voice.
And now the tv show finally confirms it was Vault Tec
“Published on Oct 23, 2018”
:)
Then i finaly watch it 2019
*Oh no.....*
Noice
October 2020: *I gotchu fam*
on purpose, perhaps?
What if vault tec was on the verge of financial collapse, and set it off to stave off being nationalised, broken up, dissolved, taken over, or shut down?
dangerouslytalented But right at the beginning of Fallout 4, the newscaster states that Vault Tec‘s stocks are at an all time high.
ACMaster360 so was Enron’s stock. If they were doing massive fraud, the bubble would be prone to collapse
I don't think so, at the start of Fallout 4 the newsman says that: "Vault-Tec stocks continue to rise, as the tensions with China reach an all time high."
NCR Trooper feeding a bubble works like that. More and more desperate lengths to extort and extend the ongoing supply of cash. Enron, for example, blacked out California so they could extort billions.
Also they were getting backing from Hollywood people for the vault in far harbour and they used an abandoned subway tunnel within Boston itself. I think things hadn’t been as good as they let on. Plus if they’re building them and partnering with government agencies and other organizations for these studies they’ll have no data if they don’t at least scare people into the vaults. A “false alarm” or a few detonations scare everyone into vaults, “sorry we can’t open them they’re on a timed release” studies go on, data is gained and the people in the vault don’t know the world didn’t end. The way corporations are coloured in the fallout universe makes this totally believable. I wonder if it isn’t awfully coincidental that the morning quantum hits stores a missile of unknown origin starts the end of the world. What if it was a dud set of by nuka-cola just to garner rapid attention for their new soft drink, they just didn’t realize the reaction that would cause. Who knows maybe we will never find out....
Blame Canada
With their beady little eyes and flapping heads all full of lies
You know i never thought of that
They killed nearly everyone with kindness.
Sorry
Canada was annexed by the Us
What I really want to know is, what would vault tec do with the vaults if the war ended without the dropping of nukes
Vault tec actually did drop the bombs
There is another possibility. Those bombs had to be transported from place to place. We also know that after the bombs dropped EMP disabled a lot of technology, including planes in flight. It's possible that an ammunition transport failed in flight resulting in the Megaton (and nevada) bomb being on the ground. Indeed, in real life there have been a number of cases where transporting a nuclear bomb has nearly gone bad. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents
Very true, bombs aren't GENERALLY built in their silos.
Now I feel silly for going into detail to say something very similar to just about every other comment.
The bombs we see on the ground are different from the ones from missile silos these are the ones carried by planes. Also I believe their tech is powered by analog technology not digital due to the pipboys still functioning. Analog tech is not affected by emp. Only digital is affected by it.
Also what IF the plane the used to build Megaton is the very plane to carry the bomb in Megaton,the front entrance of Megaton has a air plane engine to open the gate!! So that could mean they used the rest of the plane that carried the bomb in Megaton and accidently dropped it from the blast of the nukes China dropped on today,October 23,2077?
Maybe the fly boys manually dropped their pay load after EMP took out the their controls so they would have a chance to survive the plane crash.
Management. Time. Outlive your competitors. The greatest monopoly where nothing is left but Vault-Tec!
I hope this channel gets a surge of views and subs thanks to the show. I still go to sleep to this channel. Love you Ox
I personally think it was what later became the Enclave that caused the great war. They probably knew with all the think tanks they had that the world's resources would deplete themselves within a century if they didn't start from square one. Sure Chinese subs (including the one in Boston harbor) launched theirs too, but there was something far more sinister going on. I really think we struck first and partially on our own homeland
After Fallout TV series, this video aged well
ah yes this video ages very well
Your prophecy now takes on its full meaning !
Cool this theory has been explored in the TV show.
Ever since this vid came out I kept coming back and now that vault tec did drop the bombs im glad I kept this on the back burner
Wasn't Megaton the crater of, not the bomb, but a bomber plane that went off in mid air thanks to an EMP from the nukes the day of Armageddon?
No, Manya Vargas says that her grandad and the original settlers hauled the airplane parts to Megaton from a nearby airport.
Fallout 3 is only 150 (?) years after the war, if her family is long lived like mine (my great grandmother died at 98, when I was in my twenties), it's not that hard to imagine. I mean, my grandmother was born in the 1930's and only died due to a fast acting lung cancer, she could have easily made it to nearly 2030 given her health before that.
An emp may not have taken out the plane but the force of the explosion maybe have been more than enough to knock a plane out of the sky. It may have also dislodged the bomb from its holding bay. The early nuclear bombs were not set to explode until after they arrived in the area of attack to prevent it exploding should a plane crash. That would explain why those bombs didn’t go off when the hit the ground
Today is that day.
The bombs designed with secret Manhattan project to detonate were to explode off the ground so it cause more damage to buildings and less damage to the earth itself I find it strange how there are craters from where the bombs landed even though it would have been way more lethal to have them detonate off the ground everything would be flattened
One reason the Vault Tec logo could have been on the bomb is that the targets of many bombs are painted onto the bomb so the Chinese could have painted the logos on them intending to hit vaults, after all Megaton is quite close to Vault 101
Interesting theory, and not without merit. There's even historical precedent for attacking bombers missing their target by miles, as was the case when Londont cut it's own power to make it less visible during WWII. The entrances to the vaults almost all hid themselves somehow, so aircraft wouldn't really be able to target them visually.
Tolwrath well maybe they did not know the exact location and they guessed a location that is likely to have a vault
That's copyright! Damn communism!
So what you’re saying is that those Chinese knew about the people who went to the vault to escaped from death and so these Chinese sent atom bomb and targeted it to a vault
That makes absolutely no sense in literally any way why would the Chinese even bothered targeting a bunch of vaults for the vault tech vaults hold literally no military or strategic importance of any kind
This video aged so well
Who’s here after watching the series
After watching Fallout show I can confirm that Vault tec dropped the bombs not china
lol same lol I’m surprised a lot of people missed this
Edit: I also have a theory about the vault tec logo. I'll add it in after my original post, see below.
I've thought China shot first since Fallout 2. Nothing in any FO game, as of yet. has changed my mind on that.
As for Vault Tec launching first, it just fails to make sense for me. They have far more to gain in a world fearing nuclear disaster than an apocalypse.
And trying to cause an apocalypse just for studies and experiments? Who do they turn in their results to? What do they do with their data?
As for the all clear, there are a couple of possibilities. It could be an automated all clear set to be sent at x number of years. It could also be the Enclave, we know from FO2 and 3 that the Enclave had the access to communicate with the vaults.
As for the Vault Tec logo being on the bomb, well. First, your idea about them selling materials to foreign nations is pretty solid. We've seen examples of this before, even during times of war.
But there is another, less sinister but no less disturbing, idea. We KNOW China had spies. It would be easy for them to pose as American companies in need of steel or other supplies. Chinese spies buys the materials, starts constructing SOME bombs on the mainland US, where it may be harder to hit from China-the deep interior of the US, for example. One of the reasons China would want Alaska would be easier access to the mainland, after all. And fuel resources were scarce.
So maybe Chinese spies on the mainland US bought materials from Vault Tec, masquerading as American companies, to build a few nukes within US soil.
Shawn Wolf
They didn't launch the nukes first, because it would go against their ultimate goal. Vault-Tec was a part of the Enclave, along with several hundred important business tycoon and political leaders from the U.S.; and they were all supposed to hop on a ship and leave Earth to colonize other planets.
That's what all the data is for. To figure out what would happen in the event of any accident or condition present in space. They couldn't have launched the bomb, for they never finished their ships to high-tail it once everything went to shit.
Doesn’t Frank H. from Fallout 2 call the Vaults Project Safehouse? How does it make sense for Vault-Tec to drop the nukes if the only purpose of the Vaults is to be studied by the Enclave to know what works and what doesn’t? Just giving extra support to the idea that Vault-Tec would never drop the nukes with the information we have.
Marius Brandon I'd have to replay vanilla FO2 because I don't remember for sure, but I do agree...unless Beth retcons something, or has a HELL of a good explanation for it, I cannot think of any reason Vault Tec would have to bomb the US.
Shawn Wolf Enclave was remnant from the government
AuroraLalune I know, I'm saying they could give the all clear potentially. I'm pretty sure that it was mentioned somewhere that they have given all clear signals to vaults before, but I may be mistaken about there
2:24 welllp
This discussion reminds me of the silo series by Hugh Howey. The gist of that series was some wealthy politician tricked a bunch of people into taking shelter in the vaults he built to escape an apocalypse he manufactured. He has the separate vaults monitored and destroys the ones that don’t meet his expectations. It’s been a long time since I read it but I think his goal was to eventually repopulate the world with the one “best” vault. It doesn’t work out for him. His headquarters gets destroyed and people from a couple vaults he meant to destroy escape to freedom all none-the-wiser to that politician and his goal.
That may as well be the story of vault-tec as far as I’m concerned. They triggered the apocalypse so they could run their experiments. Those experiments somehow factored into some ultimate goal vault-tec had. They expected to be around to monitor the vaults and ultimately enjoy the fruition of their work. Something went wrong and whoever was running vault-Tec got their comeuppance, leaving their experiments to run amok.
The nuclear bombs created the biggest Tap that Ash in history.
knowing the unpredictability of the franchise, I'd imagine any of these explanations are likely. or all of them at the same time.
_who knows_
Every single time when i watch videos on Fallout, it reminds me how realistic this situation could be. And hpw society will evolve if there was a situation as such were to happen. Its scary...
Vault 114, in fallout 4, if you read the terminals,Vault Tec wanted to choose an overseer who doesn’t have experience in government or any “overseer” type jobs to test how he/she will act under a stressed situation ,such as living and maintaining a underground bunker after nukes has dropped ,so it may make sense that vault Tec dropped the bombs for human experience
OK, but the real story here is that ghoul that took multiple RPG shots to the face to seemingly little effect, but then buckled to a single revolver bullet.
Happy Fallout Day Ox and every one.. From your guy waiting in Jury Duty.
Atropos Moirai Get a good serving, all I can say.
Atropos Moirai an excellent civil servant, you are!
"china has left the server"
Welp we have our answer in 2024
Yep china did it
@@yourewrongabouteverything Watch the show.
@@yourewrongabouteverything Watch the show.
@@yourewrongabouteverythingit was Vault Tec as someone in Vault Tec said to some corporate executives “We’ll drop the bombs ourselves” (sorry for spoilers lol)
Vault-Tec could have made weapons and sold them, the simple fact is they make so much else under their side companies that its the most likely reason for the Vault Tech symbol on the bomb. Also there are many mentions of Vault-Tec doing weapons research and even hints to them making weapons. Then again that logo has 2 lines each side not 3 so does differ from Vault Tec's logo so its likely just another logo or maybe the spot the bomber magneticaly holds the bomb (so as not to trigger in flight by attaching the magnet to the wrong section) As I dont see a hook point for a crane to lift the bomb into the plane as is typical with heavy bombs like the Nukes you mention.
Great video as always, but I thought Fallout 2 made it clear that, by the end of Operation Ankorage, the enclave was a secret society composed of high-ranking vault-tec officials and US government people. If that’s the case, it would make sense for them to start the war. The US was rioting at the time and dissent was rampant. They kill off the Chinese, kill off the rioting us, they get to live, and they get to rule unobstructed with a new government where they get to rule and get to make the rules, and no one ties their hands. I think they just underestimated how bad global thermonuclear war would be.
This aged like fine wine
HE WAS RIFGT HE WAS RIFHT. THEY DID DO IT. I KNEW IT
I was just thinking about when you speculated about this in your mothership zeta gameplay.
I was remembering that in his fallout 1 playthrough in the unfinished vault he found a nuclear missile storage and he armed it to blow up the cathedral and put an end to the Master
i think the vault-tec logo is on the bombs as a sort of scavenger tag. What if vault 76 wasn't the only one with orders to reclaim nuclear devices for the company and these old tags are made by vault-tec employees who after the bombs dropped were finding and claiming any nuclear munition they could, the tag basically being used to mark it of so they could come get it later only they never could. It's called the wasteland for a reason after all....
I can't believe he got everything right 😅
We need more vaults built around the world.
That is not a Vault tech logo on the megaton bomb, the vault tech logo has 3 prongs on each side, the symbol on the bomb has only 2 on each side. The symbol looks more like a marking for a coupling, also its an aircraft type bomb not from a missile.
He said it was dropped from some type of aircraft and that it wasn’t a missile
Yes I had written my response just before reaching that remark.
well good thing they don't have 3 prongs instead of two, man they really dodged that one...
even if it was made by them the bomb in megaton is from a crashed bomber that megaton itself is made of
@@bobbybologna3029 That was some really fast thinking on Vault Tec's part lol.
The game engine is starting to show it's age. Look at the mushroom cloud..😒
Bethesda presumably didn't have a high quality 3D render of a mushroom cloud, the Megaton one and the one in the Fallout 4 opening can be viewed only from 1 direction and some distance at that, for 76 they have to render it viewable from 360
@@Freshie207 then don't bloody show it if it looks like shit! there is a point behind first impressions, and everything is working against Fallout 76! It's no longer "I don't like multiplayer" it's "They are fucking up everything they possibly could to make this game."
@@AimlessSavant First impressions don't tend to mean much to me (New Vegas left quite the bad one when I picked it up in 2010 and it's my favourite title in that franchise), if were lucky Bethesda will have something decent in the next couple of months but yeah 76 is pretty rough right now
@@Freshie207 NV didn't have a beta where everybody could pop open the hood to look at it. based on trailers alone Vegas sucked. based on E3 showcases it sucked. I am talking about people dissecting the game's files, assets, etc to really dismantle the hype of this game. It isn't looking good because of how much has come out about it.
Duplexzity starting? It showed age with Fallout 4
fallout tv show sent me here again, again......again..lol
What if vault-tech employees are cryogenically frozen just waiting for some timer to run out so they can wake up
Then they go to Mr house in new Vegas to complete the Transhumanists agenda
Did you know that on January, 23 1961 the US military has accidentally dropped nuclear bombs over Goldsbro, North Carolina? Thought it might help make the case for an accidental Vault-tec drop.
They made many nuclear facilities in the 1960s
Well now we know…
indeed
We now know it was Vault Tec thanks to the show. Amazing you cracked this so many years ago! 😮
The show isnt Canon
@@yourewrongabouteverything no it is According to Todd Howard and Bethesda
@@yourewrongabouteverything It is.
This was a question I've been pondering myself for a long time, and I've recently gotten back into Fallout 3, thanks to you!
Thank you, by the way!
Well there’s some nukes in fort Constantine, can you check those out to see if they have the vault tec logo too? This was in fallout 3 after you acquire the t-51b power armor.
I’ll check in a few hours.
@@bespit6654 It's been three days, mind sharing what you found?
Idea, especially because the bomb with the vault-tech logo is unexploded, is that they wanted to cause a bomb scare and get people into the vaults. But their scare worked too well.
The fact that 5 years ago you got the theory right.
the dropping of the bomb could still be an accident. if the carrier is hit they have to drop their load, even if that means risking the world.
I think this is all just synth propaganda
You know who would say that? A Synth!
@@__mindflayer__ You know who would say that? A Talos worshiper!
Weren't synths made after the great war?
@@thalmorambassador419 Skyrim belongs to the Synths! Wait...
@@thalmorambassador419 Wait, what? Whatcha doing here? Shouldn't you be racist to nords elsewhere my guy?
I'm still mind blown that you ended up playing along with Joven! He's another one of my favorite TH-camrs!
I have always been a believer in Occam's Razor; the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
The toaster started it all duh.
Yes!
Such underrated comment
New Vegas can make a toaster interesting and that’s why it’s the best
Vault 111 mentions waiting for the "all clear" too. The riots started when it didn't come and food got scarce. Could it have just been wishful thinking? a way to alleviate the residents that there are still people out there? or Vault Tech being sure they would still be there?
Something about how Vault-Tec set up their experiments and how they worked in conjunction with the government, and portrayed themselves as one of America's most trusted corporations, I can't help but see them as the Fallout world's version of Resident Evil's Umbrella Corporation.
Love the lore vids and background research you do. Just finished the story vids you did on Fallout 1 (did nothing to remove the similarity between Vault-tec and Umbrella, btw), and I can't wait to see what you do for Fallout 2.
Keep up the good work!
I can imagine these videos take a lot of research so thanks for doing this.
I believe the Vault-Tec logo on the bomb in Megaton is a case of Occam's razor. The simplest answer is that Bethesda made a mistake when creating the texture.
IridiumSnake Bethesda make a mistake??? How dare you....
IridiumSnake it’s not a vault tec logo.
What if the one bomb was an accident where we dropped one on ourselves And it started a chain reaction
Not only that they destroyed Shady Sands because of competition!
So Oxhorn, I'm genuinely shocked you didn't talk about the Enclave in this video. We already know the upper echelons of vault tec we're controlled by the Enclave pre war and all but flat out told the whole reason the vault experiments even happened was because the Enclave wanted to study people living in seclusion and integrating with the post nuked world so that they better understood that for themselves.
Given all that, I think the Enclave is by far the most likely cause of the great war. They entire goal was to rebuild and control a 'cleansed' world so it makes sense they aimed their bombs at everyone. They would use companies they control to make weapons, like vault tec and poseiden energy, and those logos would then be used, since the Enclave was still a secret illuminati of government officials and connected corporate big wigs.
Years later and with the fallout show… he was right 😮
12:37 gasp) CHINESE VAULT TEC!!!
If there’s one thing I learned about people who build nuclear missiles, it’s that they don’t put their names on it before they use it to kill people.
Man I never get tired of listening to your videos man, they are excellent!
Made canon by the series, we may know now who did it, we are lacking the why
I assume Vault Tec thought the world was going to collapse one way or the other, seeing how strategic resources were close to being used up before the war, and decided that they are just going to end everything themselves and try to restart on their own terms.
@@k.g.3567basically told in season01 finale: only way to end conflict is eliminate all factions but one, of course they wanted to be on top of that spared faction
Bud Askins: "What is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction?" Cooper Howard and Bud Askins simultaneously: "Time."
Has it really been a year? Wow.
Edit: also in the video of the f76 nukes at E3 when the characters in power armor launch the nukes you can see a vault tec logo on it.