Botched takeoff ends up in disaster at Massachusetts Hanscom Field - 2014 Bedford Gulfstream crash

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  • Reconstruction of the takeoff attempt of a Gulfstream G-IV N121JM registered to SK Travels LLC and operated by Arizin Ventures, which was carrying american millionaire and philanthropist Lewis Katz and six others, including 2 pilots and 1 flight attendant.

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  • @MPCFlights
    @MPCFlights  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Comment here which case you'd like to see in future videos!

    • @TheRealNatNat
      @TheRealNatNat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      your videos are always great anyway !

    • @Utubin
      @Utubin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Music in this video please.

    • @Ms2blackcats
      @Ms2blackcats 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would like understand more.

  • @frankcarbone7642
    @frankcarbone7642 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +206

    My very first week of getting my PPL I was told: Never, ever, ever, ever think you've memorize the checklist and get complacent. Read it each time like it was the first time.

    • @MrTea7
      @MrTea7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If only MDs followed this advice. I lost 2 friends to botched surgeries/hospital acquired infections.

    • @Holliethedog
      @Holliethedog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      TBH, I have wondered about this. If pilots get so much training, why do they need a checklist? Why can't they remember procedures?

    • @frankcarbone7642
      @frankcarbone7642 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Holliethedog It's a good question but the answer is multi-faceted and takes a long time to explain everything that can go wrong memorizing a checklist. I can share a common one though: A checklist has many pages and is performed throughout the startup, taxi, takeoff and up to cruise. While you're taxiing, you continue down the checklist but many situations can distract you including calls from ground or ATC. If you lose your train of thought based on memory on what you've done so far and what's left to do, you can see where this can become a problem. I hope this helped.

    • @JamesCAsphalt8
      @JamesCAsphalt8 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes, we were ALL told that. Unfortunately, people get big heads late in their careers and don't think they have to do that "beginners stuff." It usually ends badly.

    • @Tryp-j9d
      @Tryp-j9d 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If YOU can’t memorize a checklist…you SUCK! And should NOT be a PILOT!!

  • @I_dont_give_a_care
    @I_dont_give_a_care 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Thanks for making this. I was a paramedic on Hanscom AFB in 2014 and I responded to this crash.

    • @cchris874
      @cchris874 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I always wondered, it seems the impact itself was not the cause of death. Is that correct?

    • @JerryVdm-r4m
      @JerryVdm-r4m 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cchris874 Ofcourse, the ride to the hospital is the most dangerous part of the trip, ...

    • @cchris874
      @cchris874 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JerryVdm-r4m
      Not so sure of that. Commercial flights in safe airline countries, yes. But private jets on a per hour basis, more nearly equal risk for average driver.

  • @johnfinnis8373
    @johnfinnis8373 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    Incompetent complacency on a staggering level. Any low-hour student grandmother knows you perform a minimum of two "full and free" control checks before even thinking about taking off. Their blatant disregard killed innocent people for no reason other than they couldn't be bothered. Unbelievable.

    • @billpugh58
      @billpugh58 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      A hugely experienced ex-US navy pilot killed himself in a light plane because he forgot that check and a gust lock was on.

    • @joemag6032
      @joemag6032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Should I insist from now on that my flight's captain and first officer each be a low-hour student grandmother ?

    • @richardhead3211
      @richardhead3211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@joemag6032 or insist upon a dei pilot

    • @joemag6032
      @joemag6032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@richardhead3211 Well, when it comes to pilot performance, "dei" is much too close to "die" to suit me 😞

    • @richardhead3211
      @richardhead3211 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@joemag6032 LOL made my day

  • @flightforensics4523
    @flightforensics4523 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    My first assignment at the NTSB ...my new career after leaving the Airlines as a tech. Unfortunately, a reoccurring cause of death. So glad I'm retired now. I never learned to understand pilot egotistical mindset and embedded arrogance. Good job with the video. Someone asked me to check out your channel. 👍

    • @MPCFlights
      @MPCFlights  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thanks and welcome

  • @peterb6282
    @peterb6282 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I had a full career in managing manufacturing operations. I learned early on that there are two very distinct times when a person is at risk of making a mistake 1) When you're learning. Obvious because mistakes are part of learning. Mistakes were expected so the team was on guard and the overall impact was minimal. 2) When you've got experience. This is the most dangerous time, the confidence is high, the focus on the task at hand drifts, corners are cut and the errors are likely to be missed because the teams radar is down given that "everyone knows what they're doing". When I asked one of my best most experienced operators why he made so few mistakes. His answer, "I come in every day convinced the machines are out to get me...something will screw up and I gotta be on my guard...I don't trust anything".

  • @jeanneewaseck6635
    @jeanneewaseck6635 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Lewis Katz! He owned the Philly Inquirer, and started a School of Medicine with his "miscellaneous millions", that has a Physican Assistant Program. + + + Thank you for another fine video!

  • @claytonsanders508
    @claytonsanders508 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    A silent checklist is the same as no checklist at all. This was horrifying negligence.

    • @jacknisen
      @jacknisen 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@claytonsanders508 You ever fly single pilot night freight?

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jacknisen And what ?

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just made effectively the very same comment using slightly different words.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jacknisensingle pilot night freight is not the case here, so irrelevant.

  • @navajojohn9448
    @navajojohn9448 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Tip - anything colored red in the cockpit is usually important and worth scrutiny. All of those years, flt hours, and training and wound up no better than having untrained idiots flying the plane. They killed all of those people. In some countries had those pilots survived they would been charged with crimes.

    • @californiadreaming9216
      @californiadreaming9216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@acbulgin2well said. I'm not a pilot yet I have met many. I would only add to your comment that arrogance is disturbingly common among pilots...at least, the ones I have met.

    • @janvanhaaster2093
      @janvanhaaster2093 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@acbulgin2 It doesn't have to be recklessness, arrogance or egoism; it simply also can come out of decades of flying the same aircraft for thousands and thousands of hours. You then get used to things so much that they go automaticly, also in your mind, even when you look at a paper list...and if you then forget something you don't notice it as in your mind is the standard list which you cover. I always compare it with delivering newspapers which I did when I was young. The first few days you have to look at a paper with all streetnames and numbers, after less than a week your mind knows all and no paper is needed anymore. However, if then a few weeks later you get a notification that the day before you not delivered at street X nr Y you can not remember nor imagine: in your mind you have done it so often over and over again that your mind will tell you that you did deliver it to that address.
      Even with checklists, it still happens that people forget to put flaps/slats before takeoff, or that they move the wrong lever...(remember we are no robots)

    • @budspaulding7121
      @budspaulding7121 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Red, means STOP! 👌

  • @curtislund8322
    @curtislund8322 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    Trying to take off with a warning light on your instrument panel staring you in the face. And you just take off anyway?!

    • @jacknisen
      @jacknisen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Maybe it was Friday.

    • @DavidClinely
      @DavidClinely 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yes, I thought that was very unprofessional and wrong, to say the least.

    • @muffs55mercury61
      @muffs55mercury61 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Very negligent to say the least. Should have been a rejected takeoff when they first saw they didn't have enough power.

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That really struck me.

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@muffs55mercury61 An RTO performed earlier would probably have saved all their lives ! What has 'enough power' got to do with it ?

  • @crfdln
    @crfdln 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I am a low time GA pilot with several thouusand hours. It's hard to believe that two experienced, knowledgable pilots would BOTH forget to disengage the gust lock before starting the takeoff roll. Makes you afraid to fly charter.

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Makes you wonder about flight crew licencing !

    • @crfdln
      @crfdln 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@grahamstevenson1740 Amen.

    • @gregtennessee8249
      @gregtennessee8249 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vote Against trumpism Authoritarian Dictatorship!!

    • @rvnmedic1968
      @rvnmedic1968 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And the SIC replied to the PIC when he mentioned the GUST was on: "what's that?". Unbelievable!

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rvnmedic1968 I do wish those terms hadn't been used. It should be Pilot Monitoring and Pilot Flying (PM and PF).

  • @garyowen9044
    @garyowen9044 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    All those combined flight hours, and still failure. Checklist. Checklist. Checklist. It was drilled into me. Even when I fly alone I call out the items.

    • @DavidClinely
      @DavidClinely 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Good for you! Stay safe!

  • @Paul1958R
    @Paul1958R 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I live not far from Hanscom and I remeber this incident and its aftermath/investigation/findings very well. Nothing short of criminal.

  • @eucliduschaumeau8813
    @eucliduschaumeau8813 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    I always think it will be forgetting to set flaps and slats for takeoff that will be the cause, but this may be worse. For two pilots who have been flying for so long, it’s inconceivable that they would try to take off with so many obvious warnings and issues. Numbskulls.

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And of course, that's what the checklists are FOR. If the checklists are actually FOLLOWED, in a careful way (not just auto-readoff mode), then things like slats and slats will be covered EVERY time. At least setting them for takeoff and landing.

  • @navajojohn9448
    @navajojohn9448 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    The thing about licenses and check rides is on one specific day you met the minimum requirements to pass the task. Does not guarantee good future performance.

  • @milwaukeephil2548
    @milwaukeephil2548 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    You’d just assume 2 pilots with this experience level you’d be totally safe. Guess it speaks to the fallibility of human nature.

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There IS no totally safe, which watching enough of these (from various sources) makes clear.
      Things go wrong. Like equipment. Or weather. Or human error / confusion. What really GALLS me though is when a bunch of people get killed by something as BLATANT as this, and the bad habit re no checklists is done almost all the time for a LONG time.
      When you're flying, it's NOT like you can just pull over and call for help when something serious goes wrong.

  • @nigelwilliams9307
    @nigelwilliams9307 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    All the warnings were there. This is why I'm always nervous on an aircraft. Some pilots are idiots. The worst ever aircraft disaster was caused by the actions of KLM's most senior Captain.

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      After watching a LOT of aircraft disaster videos, they fly an alarming amount with well known equipment problems, often not fixed to save money. Problems with planes, equipment at airports, maintence (cost cutting, wrong procedures, etc).
      Flying gets safer over time, re commercial flights, but still -- no much nonsense that COCULD lead to big trouble is tolerated -- to save money.

    • @AnetaMihaylova-d6f
      @AnetaMihaylova-d6f 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@rogergeyer9851 not only money

    • @nigelwilliams9307
      @nigelwilliams9307 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rogergeyer9851 You are correct. Although flying is statistically low risk there are still many dangers lurking.

    • @Mostopinionatedmanofalltime
      @Mostopinionatedmanofalltime 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very true!

    • @JamesCAsphalt8
      @JamesCAsphalt8 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That was a combination of factors. KLM had strict rules about pilots not getting overtime even for a delayed flight and punishments for captains who did regardless of circumstances. That was a policy that killed all those people. That captain was their senior trainer. He didn't want to lose his job. He gambled in the fog and lost. He disregarded the tower and lost, he didn't listen to his copilot, who at the time didn't clearly state his concern, and lost. Today, pilots are taught to communicate clearly and not see the captain as the commander of the cockpit but rather, the other person flying the plane. Communication has improved greatly because of crashes like that one.

  • @stevenkaskus6173
    @stevenkaskus6173 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    This is not supposed to happen with 2 Two experienced pilots, one should check the other but nothing.

    • @whynot8082
      @whynot8082 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It does when complacency sets in. I will take the newer crew

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      CRM was NOT in evidence.

  • @ericostling7410
    @ericostling7410 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for this video. I live near Hanscom and bike Virginia Rd around the 5-23 runway pretty regularly, watching takeoffs from it and from the 11-29. The breaking news of this crash back in 2014 was haunting, clearly felt like something went very wrong very fast. This is the first place I've found that put all the puzzle pieces together to tell the whole story.

  • @frann.8879
    @frann.8879 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Can’t believe 2 experienced pilots could be so unbelievably complacent, so sad.

  • @walkerpantera
    @walkerpantera 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Wow my jaw just kept dropping with every screwup and the end result. Just wowwww.

  • @MrGovtCheese
    @MrGovtCheese 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is really a strange one based on the experience of the two pilots. These excerpts are from the NTSB report:
    "The PIC, age 45, who was seated in the left pilot seat, held an airline transport pilot certificate with a multiengine airplane rating and type ratings for the Gulfstream G-1159(Gulfstream G-II/G-III), Gulfstream G-IV, Beechcraft BE-400/Mitsubishi MU-300, and Gates Learjet LR-JET airplanes. He had commercial privileges in single-engine airplanes and held a flight instructor certificate with single-engine airplane and instrument airplane ratings."
    "The PIC’s FAA medical records documented that he was a passenger in an airplane that crashed in 1992. As a result, he suffered multiple facial injuries, a fracture dislocation of his ankle, and a closed head injury; he was hospitalized for about 4 weeks."
    "The SIC, age 61, who was seated in the right pilot seat, held an airline transport pilot certificate with a multiengine airplane rating and type ratings for the Gulfstream G-1159(Gulfstream G-II/G-III), Gulfstream G-IV, Gulfstream G-V, and Lockheed L-1329 (Jetstar/Jetstar II) airplanes. He had commercial privileges in single-engine airplanes and held a flight instructor certificate with single-engine airplane, multiengine airplane, and instrument airplane ratings. The SIC also held a mechanic certificate with airframe and powerplant ratings and a current inspection authorization... the SIC reported that he had accumulated 18,200 hours of flight time as PIC and 2,800 hours in G-IV airplanes."

  • @coolmig27
    @coolmig27 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    At the very least, you don't takeoff with a warning on your instrument panel. Wow. I had a last hope they would turn the plane somewhere safe to make it "drift" and have a better chance... I've seen that on other reproductions and it did make the difference. But gust lock let them do nothing but accelerate and try to brake... what a sad accident.

  • @mitseraffej5812
    @mitseraffej5812 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I’ve been flying Boeings for most of my career and Boeing normal checklists are short and to the point, covering only items that have the potential to be catastrophic if overlooked. Flight controls being one of them.

    • @wayne-lj4in
      @wayne-lj4in 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting.

  • @KennyNash-sb9sh
    @KennyNash-sb9sh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    To the many pilots who transport millions of souls daily....thank you for doing your checklists! Kenny Nash ABE ENTERTAINMENT

  • @stevedawson7649
    @stevedawson7649 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As a retired ER doctor I understand the mental fatigue that comes with doing the same thing (ie, the same discharge instructions) many thousands of times. It’s not just numbing, you begin to resent it. Especially as you get older. When you get to the point where doing the same thing repetitively causes you to do anything to shorten it it’s time to stop and do something else.

    • @mph1ish
      @mph1ish 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Except these pilots rarely performed the checklists, so how could they have experienced mental fatigue?

  • @ThatBobGuy850
    @ThatBobGuy850 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    It is almost beyond belief that these two highly-experienced jet pilots would leave the control lock on. People rightly wonder, "How could that happen??" Easy! Two highly-experienced pilots who've flown with each other many, many times can become complacent. And that is apparently what happened here. They landed in Boston during daylight. One of them set the control lock for some reason (maybe it was gusty?). It was probably something that they normally didn't do. When they returned to the aircraft, it was dark. Jet cockpits are typically not brightly lit at nighttime. In their complacent and "silent" way of accomplishing checklists, the "Gust Lock - OFF" item was missed. It must have been in an unlit area of the console. Ironically, their jet had just enough play in the throttle lock to allow them "some" movement - enough to taxi and get the aircraft accelerating down the runway, evidently. They futzed around, trying to get the gust lock off, but it wasn't happening once air loads were imposed on the control surfaces. We can all chant, "They should have..." this, or "They should have..." that, but they did not do the thing that would have saved their (and their passengers') lives: Abort the takeoff at the first sign of trouble. Hey, even the best of us can make a mistake, I reckon.

    • @carlwalker3557
      @carlwalker3557 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Go right on reckoning I reckon.

    • @retireglenat75
      @retireglenat75 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That wasn’t a mistake that was incompetence

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's WORSE that they were so bad with the FIVE checklists. Habitually doing that ensure that at SOME point, something important gets missed. And THEN when they also ignore warning lights, power issues -- etc, it's like they were TRYING to crash at some point.

    • @ThatBobGuy850
      @ThatBobGuy850 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@carlwalker3557 - You got something constructive to add, Carl? Or do you just enjoy making stupid comments on TH-cam videos for...what...fun? You know that little voice in the back of your head that says, "Maybe I should just STFU once in a while." I reckon you should probably listen to it once in a while.

    • @divingfe
      @divingfe 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yes, but they weren't the best.

  • @stevenkaskus6173
    @stevenkaskus6173 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Really rediculous especially for Two trained experienced pilots. Then the last minute attempt to abort when the pilot knew how long it would take stop and how short the remaining runway was.

  • @georgebrown1543
    @georgebrown1543 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't fly anymore. Not only because some airlines are lowering the standards so a minority can be a pilot, but the hassle you get from tsa when checking in. On top of that, the airlines have the nerve to charge you if you don't check your luggage.

    • @solefinder3708
      @solefinder3708 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So only 'White' pilots capable of flying?
      So even in Africa continent, or Asia or South America, they should all only hire white men in America to fly their airplanes?

    • @solefinder3708
      @solefinder3708 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What a weird thing to say considering 99% of the pilots crashing in all these debrief videos are 'W'...not that I care.
      Also, can you point towards the last U.S. airline to crash, and many of them do, where non white pilots were at the helm?
      But to each their own, if you feel better, in your mind, with a white male pilot at the controls, than stay within your comfort zone.

  • @gbrads
    @gbrads 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great easy follow video I learned a lot. Thank you.

  • @billmclean8545
    @billmclean8545 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Has no one else noticed that, despite the quality of this video, this aircraft is not a Gulfstream GIV?

  • @StevieWonder737
    @StevieWonder737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The visual is not a Gulfstream 4. The gust lock works on the ailerons, the rudder and the elevator ... not the "wings" as stated.
    If you're going to pretend to know about these things, you could at least do some elementary research.

    • @oncamerawithroberthenry531
      @oncamerawithroberthenry531 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This crash occurred in 2014 and was widely reported in the industry. I recommend the final NTSB report and the NTSB animation, as well as videos prepared by recognized training vendors, as source material. ATP G-IV, G-V; Attorney

  • @davidhynd4435
    @davidhynd4435 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Very sad and unprofessional that these before-take-off checks were not done, but why is it possible for this machine to be configured for flight and for the take-off roll to commence with the gust lock engaged? Why is there simply not an interlock mechanism to prevent the thrust levers being moved to take-off thrust if the gust lock is engaged? I can't conceive of a situation where take-off thrust and an engaged gust lock would ever be needed concurrently. At the very least an unignorable alarm, surely?

  • @pk2508
    @pk2508 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What’s crazy is I lived 3 miles from this base when this happened I don’t remember hearing anything about it.

    • @andrewgill9489
      @andrewgill9489 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was a huge deal in Philadelphia where I was living at the time as Mr. Katz was a major figure in Philadelphia business, politics and philanthropy at the time. A terrible loss all around, so needless.

  • @navajojohn9448
    @navajojohn9448 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The former PA Governor Rendell was offered a ride to go on that trip but was unable. Best decision he ever made. Some may have been disappointed.

    • @carlwalker3557
      @carlwalker3557 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who would have been disappointed ? Your imagination really pinpoints people.

    • @DavidClinely
      @DavidClinely 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@carlwalker3557 Those who didn't like that governor, obviously! Come on now. I assume you're not thinking clearly.

  • @jamesgraham6122
    @jamesgraham6122 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If I'd looked at the history of both pilots I'd have had no reservations about travelling on that plane.. Obviously, the pairing of the two of them together over such a long period had led to departures from SOPs... maybe a good reason to monitor QARs periodically to pick up any anomalies developing as a result of overfamiliarity due to repetition.

  • @donaldwilson5693
    @donaldwilson5693 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They had plenty of chances to catch the error, but many aircraft have a "config warning" that would have set off an alarm. Hard to believe an aircraft as expensive as a Gulfstream didn't have this.

  • @RFToob
    @RFToob 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Blessing and prayers to all involved, to their families and friends. Seems like compliance and mental fatigue happens in all professions. It seems to happen to those more ‘experienced’ too. Especially when in a rush. It needs to be studied a lot more and with ongoing training. I am not a pilot, so I wonder: is there a way for an aircraft to automatically ‘prevent’ the start of a takeoff, if ANY warnings exist? Sorta like you have to pass a checklist test. -The stakes are so high it would be worth it. Thx.

  • @thecameramantraveler4830
    @thecameramantraveler4830 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    just subscribed. i really admire this content. keep it up

  • @tomdavis1694
    @tomdavis1694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I recall this accident on KBED, my home base. Also, a client of mine was the Fire Chief (now retired) responding to the event, very sad.

  • @swainlach4587
    @swainlach4587 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lou, the owner, was very good to these pilots. They got a chance to visit family on trips, etc.
    It's unfortunate that they weren't on the ball with routine tasks.

  • @evanlinn5869
    @evanlinn5869 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    “Silent” checklists are recipes for disaster. Probably one of the worst cases ever of flight crew complacency. A simple “three free and correct” box flight control check would have saved all on board. Not the easiest thing to taxi a Gulfstream with the control lock on but these guys managed to do that as well.

    • @57Jimmy
      @57Jimmy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Likely used differential braking?

    • @evanlinn5869
      @evanlinn5869 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      All of the Gulfstream have a “tiller” used by the left seater to maneuver the aircraft on the ground, and it is not disabled by the control lock. Still mystified as to how this crew got enough power when starting taxi as the control lock significantly restricts throttle movement. They lined up all the holes in the Swiss cheese.

  • @7CharlesV
    @7CharlesV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Crazy. I was just telling someone about this entirely preventable disaster a few days ago, (I think because I'd watched a video recently with similar cause and outcome) as the destination airport is not far away. This particular incident came to mind, but I couldn't recall Mr. Katz's name at the time.
    So unfortunate (not to mention egregiously careless) that such experienced pilots are even capable of such recklessness. But as humans, such lax attitudes and results are always a possibility, however remote, and will remain so.

  • @psjasker
    @psjasker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Total non sequitur, but on Christmas Eve 2014, (around 12:30AM) my wife and I saw 9 lights hovering above Hanscom that suddenly sped away and over the horizon in mere seconds. My only UFO sighting (and hers)

    • @rogergeyer9851
      @rogergeyer9851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And the earth is flat. /s
      Take the nonsense elsewhere.

    • @petercole8798
      @petercole8798 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When I live near there .

    • @californiadreaming9216
      @californiadreaming9216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@rogergeyer9851HA HA HA HA HA HA HA the joke is on YOU doofus. I've had a UFO experience, seen a sasquatch and experienced paranormal activity in my home.
      Because YOU haven't seen a UFO, they're all fake, right? What a kindergarten mentality.

    • @billwendell6886
      @billwendell6886 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Secret USAF research done there. You may have seen Aurora.

  • @danaknox8025
    @danaknox8025 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I worked there with Allstate boiler Co of Farmington CT. Wow didn't hear of it till now. I knew the airport was a safe landing zone for vips.very sad to here of such loss at beautifully facility.Rip to all on board and by putting out this video should be a wake up call to those who think they got this .And fail.arrogance on their behalf. We are supposed to trust in others especially trained professionals.

  • @AjF392
    @AjF392 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't flight instruct anymore, but I'll give you all this, and do it after your checklist before each takeoff: FFTTC/ Fuel, Flaps, Trim, Transponder and Cycle the controls. Those are the "Killer Items" that ensure safe flight from a 172 Skyhawk to an A320 and beyond. Happy landings.

  • @leopanthera8261
    @leopanthera8261 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ...complacency can kill.

  • @davidmccann9811
    @davidmccann9811 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The complacency of experienced aircrew seems to be the reason for many of these accidents. Especially not bothering to do checklists properly or not complying with sterile flight deck rules.

  • @kelvinnoden3057
    @kelvinnoden3057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How on earth do these fools get to fly an aircraft it's utterly ridiculous 🤬

  • @djacob7
    @djacob7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wonderful camera work, especially @ 4:14

  • @superbmediacontentcreator
    @superbmediacontentcreator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I watch a couple of TH-cam pilots who never seem to run through the checklists except from their memory and they scare me. I commented on this a few times and their "fans" blasted me off their channels...

  • @MasterHomebrew
    @MasterHomebrew 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's amazing how pilots with so many hours logged could make such a careless mistake. There are checklist for a reason. I find it reckless what they did.

  • @57Jimmy
    @57Jimmy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Complacency has no place in aviation. It doesn’t care how much experience is up front, it WILL kill you and just like the agent behind the glass at the Dept of Motor Vehicles…coldly say…
    “NEXT”😢

  • @Bleutisk
    @Bleutisk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's instilled in every pilot to conduct a flight controls check prior to flight. Sad.

  • @TheNYgolfer
    @TheNYgolfer 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pic- "Rudder limit light is on"
    Sic- "what's that? Are you using the rudders?"
    2 idiots that not only thought that they were above using checklists but neither fully understood the systems of the aircraft they got paid to fly.
    5 others paid with their lives , which is the real tragedy.
    As a former airline pilot and Mechanic/ avionics tech, I must say that Gulfstream's design of the gust lock warning system belonged back in the Flintstones era.

  • @grahamstevenson1740
    @grahamstevenson1740 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    NEVER perform a checklist 'silently'. It's as good as none at all. Far too many accidents have been due to incompletely performed checklists.

  • @love2fly558
    @love2fly558 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’m guilty of doing checklist items by memory e.g I do flap/trim settings, idle check, control check and instrument checks during taxi and the run up in a sequence manner. However, I always read out the checklists after completing my sequence memory items to make sure all was covered.

    • @rtbrtb_dutchy4183
      @rtbrtb_dutchy4183 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s actually how a checklist is supposed to be done properly. You do a flow, then you use a checklist to check.
      The whole: use a checklist while doing the things is a “do list”.

  • @cfitzgduke
    @cfitzgduke 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even after all the errors, how do you start a take off will a rudder limiter warning light?

  • @thomaskoss7477
    @thomaskoss7477 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A contributing factor was that the Gust Lock did not prevent the aircraft from accelerating? This is Gulftreams fault? No, I don't think so. It's solely the pilots fault. Not performing their checklists!!!

    • @cchris874
      @cchris874 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So, would it also have been OK if Gulfstream left out the existing gust lock power restrictions?

    • @thomaskoss7477
      @thomaskoss7477 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @cchris874 Have you heard of Mentour Pilot? He is a 737 captain with Ryanair. He produces videos about aircraft crashes and incidents. He explains to us why what happened. He once said that pilots start making mistakes when it comes to things that are not covered in checklists. This is why I wrote that.

  • @buzzbuzz132
    @buzzbuzz132 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Manufacturer needs to improve “ communication “ between the planes electronics and a pilot......such that when a warning light pops on.....a second light should pop on that states....” TO attempt will fail”

  • @barbarajeffries
    @barbarajeffries 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the first video I’ve seen on this channel. I’m very impressed by the quality and presentation. I subscribed 😊.

    • @MPCFlights
      @MPCFlights  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks and welcome!

  • @louisviola9763
    @louisviola9763 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such laziness and incompetence is mind boggling to me. Shame on these two "pilots" for their cause of this horrible crash.

  • @kdfox2007
    @kdfox2007 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    THe issue is too many flights together that they developed blind amnesia to the potential issues. False trust was built up by familiarization. What are the regulations regarding crew members switching up their flying partners?

  • @KongKingman
    @KongKingman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very similar to the Detroit 87’ crash where the TO configuration was set wrong (apparently they took out the circuit breaker to stop the visual/ audio warnings. Also, how is a 61 year old “First officer” not promoted to captain by now?

    • @57Jimmy
      @57Jimmy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not sure if he was only a F/O.
      Two pilot ops I think are always designated…
      PIC and F/O, even if both are Captains.

    • @KongKingman
      @KongKingman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@57Jimmy I’ve seen many videos where they state their ranks and state “acting as first officer” …also, when “flight engineer” was more prevalent to see one in their 50’s one would think they would want to be promoted to a Captain at that stage?

    • @Destroyer-20000
      @Destroyer-20000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is a possibility that he was a Capt but in the main carriers you retire at 60. Although, charters and regionals can hire you as a FO so you can enjoy flying a few years extra!

  • @MultiEviscerator
    @MultiEviscerator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hard to believe two experienced pilots were so negligent.

  • @joe-p9k4n
    @joe-p9k4n 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "We've done this 1000 times, what could possibly go wrong." (What both pilots were thinking till halfway down the runway.)

  • @lauracornish7112
    @lauracornish7112 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    My husband is a Challenger 604 pilot he is early sixties. The plane you computer generated is not a G4.

    • @kalamageo
      @kalamageo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, the Cessna logo on the yoke was a dead give away.........

    • @blackandgold676
      @blackandgold676 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow... thanks for clearing that up! /s

    • @carlwalker3557
      @carlwalker3557 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, which computer simulation matters, that will change things.

    • @blackandgold676
      @blackandgold676 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@carlwalker3557 /s...

    • @davidmotter5140
      @davidmotter5140 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not a challenger either

  • @unclelarry623
    @unclelarry623 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm not giving the pilots a pass by any stretch of the imagination. It's inconceivable that any pilot of any kind of rating, I don't care how many hours, (2 or 20,000) would attempt to take off without checking freedom of movement of the flight controls. But it's also concerning That a G-IV has an indicator light that determines that rudder movement is limited, but didn't take the design a step further and configured that sensor to prevent an attempted take off! So many clues. Two clueless pilots. This is hard to watch.

  • @realediciocco1598
    @realediciocco1598 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I recently discovered your channel. Your videos are very well done. Subscribed.

    • @MPCFlights
      @MPCFlights  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Welcome

  • @robertfoster1151
    @robertfoster1151 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I worked in the chemical industry. The mantra there was "You get what you inspect, NOT what you expect".

  • @williamkennedy5492
    @williamkennedy5492 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Go to any airport and you may see the full and free movement of flight controls being performed in accordance with the check list, This accident was totally avoidable !

    • @cchris874
      @cchris874 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yet another piece of suggestive evidence that commercial flying is safer than private jets.

  • @jourwalis-8875
    @jourwalis-8875 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who are behind MPC Flights?

  • @melodiefrances3898
    @melodiefrances3898 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These kind of accidents are the worst.

  • @mrhyperbolic7455
    @mrhyperbolic7455 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Habitually not checking the controls before take off? I cannot even conceive of that. How is it possible? Did they think they were driving a toy?

  • @elmiguel6725
    @elmiguel6725 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sad, these pilots weren't just incompetent, they were bad people.

  • @malcolmwhite6588
    @malcolmwhite6588 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Never ceases to amaze me I guess it’s just human nature or perhaps I am just OCD which having Tourette’s I probably am as it goes together LOL but anyway I’ve ridden motorbikes for 45 years and because I know what tarseal tastes like , every time I ride, I check over the bike if I hop on it and something feels a bit odd. I stop straight away But as I say it never ceases to amaze me with aviation when you’re even more committed than you are on a road going vehicle that people see something not right but they just continue rather than say it’s a shitload harder once we try and get it in the air let’s stop and see what that light is etc

  • @skepticaloptimist1917
    @skepticaloptimist1917 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Complacency kills... Sad for the pilots and all on board. And the familys.
    There is a reason they have those checklists!

  • @gordorjohnson
    @gordorjohnson หลายเดือนก่อน

    I keep seeing the same thing in these accident videos. LACK OF STANDARDIZATION. Particularly in General Aviation. Other than these companies sending their pilots to recurrent training, are there not line checks on these corporate operators?

  • @williamgreen5893
    @williamgreen5893 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Apart from adhering to the pre take-off check list, l was always trained to carry out a full flying control sense and freedom of movement check, initially and again before take-off. Considering the accumulated hours on type by these pilots, there is no excuse. The control/gust lock is BIG and RED, making it vertually impossible to ignore.

  • @michaeloliveri1907
    @michaeloliveri1907 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use to change those runway lights in 2004...

  • @sillygoose9070
    @sillygoose9070 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a non-pilot...
    I keep seeing these videos where the automated safety system causes the crash.
    So the authorities load more automated safety systems on the pilots ...
    Who actually have no idea how little control they have.

  • @oncamerawithroberthenry531
    @oncamerawithroberthenry531 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The visuals as of 1:40 are so far neither the airframe nor the cockpit of a G-IV.

  • @GaryH-pw9cm
    @GaryH-pw9cm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A silent check list is never a good idea.

  • @1tallncoolguy
    @1tallncoolguy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Everytime I would see a plane running toward takeoff on a runway, I would wonder what would happen if it couldn't actually take off, for whatever reason, once the runway ends. Now I see what'd happen.

  • @angelf3365
    @angelf3365 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would that be part of the preflight checklist ?

  • @Xxxx-d4z
    @Xxxx-d4z 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ARE THOSE FLIGHT HOURS VERIFIABLE ?

  • @jjaus
    @jjaus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't get it. Checking controls for free movement is ingrained from early PPL training.

  • @mjd111
    @mjd111 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the result of not performing safety checklist. This didn't need to happen.

  • @dwaynekoblitz6032
    @dwaynekoblitz6032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Becoming a millionaire. To die because of a knob. That's my luck. What a stupid way to die. Without any control of it. A damn knob.

  • @muffs55mercury61
    @muffs55mercury61 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember this. Very tragic. Some things fundamental were forgotten and everyone died because of it (they likely all burned to death) Even a non-pilot would know this should have been a rejected takeoff when they had time to. And never bothering to do check lists for that long (175 flights?????) Sheer insanity.

  • @maanmohammad8459
    @maanmohammad8459 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A friend of mine (who became a captain in a regional later) got his ppl hours here.

  • @californiadreaming9216
    @californiadreaming9216 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely mind-boggling that with so many combined hours of experience these two clowns would continue with a takeoff knowing there was an issue with rudder control. And then not reject takeoff when lack of power was observed. Staggering complacency.

  • @travelwithtony5767
    @travelwithtony5767 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The cockpit seems entirely intact.

  • @DesertVox
    @DesertVox 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Peer pressure. One of the two is the main culprit, and probably bossed the other into disregarding the 'boring' checks, and the stronger personality wins in the process, but loses in the end.

  • @mpwheatley
    @mpwheatley 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Complacency kills, almost every disaster is caused by it.

  • @MAGAmerican
    @MAGAmerican 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These two incredibly arrogant Pilots are now “LEGENDS” in the aviation community…
    They will ALWAYS be talked about, and will teach others how NOT to become “legendary” like themselves.

  • @strafrag1
    @strafrag1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm not a pilot but I suppose check lists are there for a very good reason.

  • @Cripplehorse
    @Cripplehorse 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So, how much you paying the pilots? $20? No, no. That's too much!

  • @franciscofermintaveras4436
    @franciscofermintaveras4436 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mauricio PC eres tu en ingles?

  • @CowboyBill521
    @CowboyBill521 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another tragic example of cockpit complacency.