2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata RF: Does more power make a difference? FIRST DRIVE REVIEW
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- Dave Coleman makes a mistake and sends over the wrong Mazda - instead of the 2019 Mazda 6, he sends over the 2019 Mazda MX5 Miata RF. However, this Mazda MX-5 is different than the last one we drove: It has 26 more horsepower and some other tweaks here and there. Rather than complaining and throwing Coleman under the bus, he decides to try out the revised Mazda MX5 Miata RF and THEN thrown Dave under the bus . . .
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I bought a 2017 MX-5 RF new 4 months ago that color. I absolutely love it! Save the stick!!
I bought one last month! White 2017 RF Club, love it! Perky little girl .
But that nav/music thingy is useless. I'm just taping my Pixel to it until I can find a mount.
I like your intro very classic, very stylish, timeless.
i raced my 2018 MX5 vs my friends 2019 and actually mine was faster in the first half of the race, it was until i had to shift that he passed me, you almost cant feel the extra HPs , both are great cars , great review as always Motoman
If I was back in the States I would go to Flyin' Miata for most things however, being in Switzerland I'm limited with registration restrictions... but I'm so close to SPS Motorsports in Germany and BBR GTI in the U.K. it would be tempting.
My list of upgrades:
- Lower the seat 1.2inches for better visibility, helmet clearance, lower C.O.G. and feeling down in the car. I'm 6'2" or 183ish cm and fit.
- FM Hushomatic exhaust or SPS Quad exhaust (the center mounted twin is gorgeous but I want a light weight tow bar).
- Light weight hidden towbar for towing extra wheels and tires or bicycles.
- Ohlins Coilover suspension from BBR or SPS, Fox Coilovers from FM.
- FM Little big brake kit in red.
- BBR Super 220 kit or possibly the integrated Edelbrock Supercharger from SPS $$.
- Carbon Fiber intake by ARMA.
- DG Motorsports Carbon fiber hardtop out of Cali for winter or extended track use (It's beautiful).
- Extended Billet aluminum shift knob or SPS upgraded shifter.
- Corsa OZ Racing light wheels with red central lock cap and some 225 or 235 tires for track/summer.
- I would start with lowering the seat, suspension, wheel spacers, exhaust, intake then wheels in the first year.
- Budget $5k/yr for 3+ years and get to the track when possible... cheaper than therapy 😁👍😎🏎.
- Maybe more durable fluids too.
Thanks MotoMan!
Great review, thanks. I hope I can get my hands on one of these
I have put over 20,000 miles in less than a year of owning 2017 Miata Club. Best car purchase ever (worst resale value due to 2019 model with upgraded engine) But.. who cares. I am gonna keep it forever. If you are savvy buyer buy the 2018 models with epic discount! (~$8000 off) the difference is insignificant!
Coleman didn't do any of the things you mentioned. Mazda's engineers did ...
THANK YOU.
i think that's the joke
Apple Carplay and Andriod Auto available now. Upgrade kits also available from dealers.
I want one with BBS/Recaro package in Ceramic Metallic. Santa, make it happen! Also Motoman, the radio presets including XM are really easy to set up. Just select your station and press and hold the star button on the commander control for a couple seconds to save your presets. Easy peasy and you can save up to 50 of them.
Nice video! I bought a 2020 recently. I really enjoy this car. I will go for the Flyin’ Miata sway bar package at some point. Probably nothing else.
I don’t have a real issue with body roll in my Miata RF but I am interested to see how it goes with a bit more roll stiffness. The front sway bar looks like a bear to install though.
Drove one here in the UK, the power is noticeable (to me anyway) from the previous version.
@Coleman thanks for advocating for the 2.0L but I wish we would have the 1.5L option. I'd like to flat foot around the city while still getting 45mpg on the highway for road trips. Feels more "Miata" with a "flatter" engine. Also can you make a coupe Miata already with backseat storage?
wheels tires and exhaust, but my NC miata has a good amount of goodies, i got a roll bar, intake, exhaust, short throw shifter, Koni shocks and h&r springs, and wheels and tires plus some creature comforts like bluetooth and led interior lights. i have a ND on the way though and can't keep my baby anymore
Very interesting. Have a nice day now.
I had a 2004 Miata with the aero package. I put a Flying miata Ubercharger on it, It was amazing!
I bought this car in the middle of corona crisis. Ordered it in January 2020, got it delivered mid June (it would be earlier if this year wasn't that screwed).
Hell, I think it saved my life from depression, plus lots and lots of D vitamin. When you drive a roadster, you don't need a mask or vaccine, your immune system is in tip-top shape. Miles and smiles.
It looks like the handbrake is up.
looks, yes, is, no
Can you imagine if it's down!!
Nice video .
In Europe at least you can get Carplay for any Mazda with the newer MMI. As sortof 2013 and up. A $350 extra. The newest edition 6 and CX-5 have it stock in the higher trims.
The only problem is the artificially soft suspension. You do not feel as one with the road when the car heaves and pitches and rolls unnecessarily.
I love your sunglasses. What brand/model is that?
They look like Randolph Engineering Aviators or American Optical Aviators to me, with bayonet temples.
My '06 NC told me it wants that Flyin' Miata Koni suspension kit so it can run with the bigger dogs. $1200 plus fitting. So far I haven't taken the bait.
Obviously I wouldn’t upgrade if I already had a Miata, but with a telescoping steering wheel, this seems like the only year anyone over 5’10” should get.
Good review. Missing exterior footage of the car moving. That would make the review seem more compelling. Needs a chase car and some drone footage.
We agree. We used to do all of that in early episodes. However, the economics of car reviews on TH-cam simply don't allow for any of it. As such, we changed up the formula. Proud to say we produce a quality product and our business is indeed in the black which allows us to grow and innovate.
Flyin' Miata: I haven't looked at their specific packages for the ND. But I know what I would be looking for basically. Less body roll for one. That might be as simple as a sway bar or two. Might take more. They would know. Budget up to $4,000 if that's what it takes to feel how I want. Second; Exhaust and "Stage 1 NA tune" Primarily for a bit nicer sound. Probably would stop short of headers unless the hp/cost is truly favorable. Catback and a tune. Should be under $1500. $5500 max total budget; with luck a lot less.
I don’t see how cars can have bad informtainment systems when phone manufacturers are willing to do it for them. There’s zero excuses now.
Phone manufacturers are not willing to do it for them. They have their own software, and car companies have to figure out how to make the two communicate with each other which is why it has taken so long for Mazda to get Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Mazda did release an update that supports both and will be free on some models. In fact, you can get it on models as far back as 2014.
Clarion, alpine, jvc, pioneer, etc are getting in the business of making car infotainment systems; i.e. Clarion makes the one for Subaru...AA & ACP are additional software that have to be added/integrated into the system...and since these systems are also so complex now that they incorporate vehicle systems these are traditional single DIN swap outs...
Angel Manuel Perez dude. I know how software and hardware interact. And it’s not rocket science at all... i really thought everyone would have the common sense to see that i was talking about software not hardware. And it’s still Zero excuses why CarPlay isn’t ready out the box.
There are many good reasons why they should be seperate , I'll give you two of my favorites , 1 Versatility , I used my phone for running others apps while driving that have nothing to do with music or navigation , IE Torque and other racy apps that give you things I enjoy , another and most importantly is GPS .. unless you've traveled alot you wont realize that sometimes your phone loses signal . it just does I've never had a carrier that is truly universal , But the infotainment in my MX-5 has never left me stranded and lost in an unknown part of the country ... also the Accuracy of the GPS in the Car is way better then that of your phone ..
Erik Cardenas i understand all of those except for the gps part. If you have a modern smartphone it’s way more accurate. If you’re missing and have your phone on you you’ll be found. E911 radios are more accurate than anything in a car.
Isn’t Mazda due to announce a whole new MZD connect quite soon ie not just a nip and tuck ?
Just hold down the Star button (to the Right of the Rotary dial)and save your Presets. Really easy. Get Dave to show you how?
Beautiful car
Going to change your question a bit because I'm in the UK. So I'd take mine down to BRR GTi and get a turbo kit. Rumor has it they are making a stage 3 kit with over 300hp and a new trans... Especially in the UK I feel this is too much... We have too much police and speed cameras etc. And our roads are too narrow and small for stupid speeds. So instead I think the 200-250hp is more than enough. So either their simple remap. (Gets the new 2.0 to 220hp) or their stage one kit that makes about 250hp
Most likely the remap.
No turbo lag and about half the price of the full turbo kit.
Before you know it, throw some stiffer springs on and better brake pads you have an absolute B road king!
I currently have a ND2 and was not aware of BBR's remap giving such good gains! I live in United States and wondering if they can give me such results. Because a ReMap. Stage 1 Suspension, Bigger Brakes, and I am one happy man.
Hello Matt. You clearly know your stuff. Any updates on the latest kit?
@@hypnotechno hello, sorry haven't heard anything else since this post!
I own a 2016 Miata and I agree, the infotainment system is subpar at best
I really like the ND, I just don't like the rear. U think if they change the tail light design it would do it for me. I wish I could rent one of these cars, but if it was available as a rental I know it would only be as a auto.....
Try Turo. I rented a GT manual for 3 day. It was better than any dealership test drive.
I would just get bolt one and a tune from flyin Miata. Simple stuff that still keeps the character of the car but enhances it more
Since you asked, if I had a 2019 ND in the GT-S or Club trim, I would start with suspension upgrades from FM. allowing myself a budget of around 5k to play with. I would probably start with the stage 2 Koni package for $1300, which includes springs, shocks, and anti-roll bars. mainly because it would reduce body roll while still preserving some of the softness of the factory setup, which provides for better grip on uneven surfaces. www.flyinmiata.com/nd-koni-stage-2-suspension-kit.html
Then I would go for a few exhaust upgrades, such as the high flow midpipe for $650 and the exhaust for $740. A proper sports car needs a proper sports car sound track, after all.
Gotta ask, how tall are you? Maybe a better question, whats your jean sizing/inseam? Wondering how well the new telescoping wheel can help those of us who are taller
Spencer Johnson yes! Something I would like to know as well. I could not fit in these nicely before.
Just bought a 2019 rf .I am 6 foot and 250 lbs . Fit in it nice . My nc seemed a bit more room but this car with the gtx package is a big leap forward.
There are some crazy deals on the last of the 2018 Miatas out there.....but a comfortable driving position is worth 1000s for taller folks.
what is the connection between a deal and deriving position thanks
@@hypnotechno ND1 does not have the adjustable steering wheel that they fitted to the ND2. Note that was 2 years ago! ND1 and ND2 used are both pricey now.
Great drivers car!👍
I’ve heard a lot of Utube review channels complain about wind turbulence in the RF with the top down....especially at 50-70 speeds
AlThor55 Tested an RF yesterday in Florida with a view to driving it up to NY . . . extreme buffeting with top down. Couldn’t imagine driving it that way for any length of time on the highway. I’ve owned a Miata ragtop and I’ve owned the previous retractable hardtop. Neither of them had wind issues as bad as the RF.
there is a Miata NC at 7:08
so what is the purpose of the shark fin (dont know if it is called that way) when not used as an antenna
Thats The gps
Definitely put a VQ37 in there, cold air intakes, upgrade all the interior lights and reverse lights and stuff to LEDs, stiffer suspension, maybe a little wing spoiler, and 245’s in the rear
Good old Dave Coleman.
Handbrake?
I would get an ND RF with the BBS/Brimbo/LSD/Bilstein package set aside $5000 for a turbo or supercharger and another 500 for an after market Apple Car Play stereo. Or use that amount of money to get a 2014-2016 Cayman or Cayman S.
Cayman and not a Boxster?
Hardtop yes
I'm watching this vid for the 1st time, on the 2nd day of fall 2019. Go figure
Stupid question: can the touch screen be put down while still playing music from the system, or is it like a youtube video on your phone when you close the screen?
@@mackan7086 You mean the screen can't be put down into the dash? I'm fairly certain I've seen that it can do that
@@mackan7086 Ouch, that takes away from the simplistic look...then again I am one of those weirdos who wish power steering to be an optional extra
I was ready to place my order until I saw that horrible TV screen plonked down in the middle of the dash.
Wow all those internal changes for 23hp! Needs a high flow exhaust high flow induction and a tune. Probably get that again on top.
@Sergio Aguirre Good luck getting an NA 4cyl to make that much power and be reliable and efficient though.
Stage 2 FM Koni suspension
I changed my 17RF with a chiptune and i'm making the same HP sort of with more torque. Not going to complain. :)
ship it to BBR in UK for the full treatment please....
FM sells BBR parts.
Just bought a 2019 . Waiting for edlebrock to release the supercharger for this upgraded motor . Maybe a turbo instead???I do want it to stay somewhat reliable as me and the wife are going to travel a bit next year.
I love driving my Mazdaspeed Miata in city traffic. I feel like a little fish swimming through the currents; it just darts around the other cars so effortlessly.
And to answer the question: since I have an MSM, I'm just doing a "homebrew" Big Enchilada for now, buying the Little Enchilada kit for around $2300 and then buying a Megasquirt 3 and having it dynotuned. Don't want to sped more than $5000. Also, I plan on getting a new set of wheels from Flyin' Miata. I'll need to talk to them before I decide on 15x7 w/ 205 or 15x8 w/ 225; I don't want to have to roll the wheel wells. The prices are competitive and they have the right tires and wheels.
more car sounds please and u need to rev that b out
For $35k, i'd buy an ND sport, nd spend the balance of the money (about $10K) on road trips over the next 3 years.
I got my 2019 Sport at the end of August for $24.6k, when they were blowing them out to make room for the 2020s. You are definitely on the right track. The Club is way overpriced. I’m going to take the thousands I’ve saved and carefully disperse them to comfort and performance improvements available from a horde of Mazda aftermarket suppliers.
Driving school would be cool . Most of us have cars more capable then we are . Not many will admit it but I sure will .
I’d just get their stiffer sway-bars and stiffer lowering springs..and that’s it, done deal! Then thoroughly enjoy the ND2 (almost) stock.. Spend the rest of your time and money on something else.
That is exactly right, throw in the GWR racing axle back exhaust. Total for springs, sway bars and exhaust, $800 plus install or DYI, total transformation.
How tall are you?
Can’t understand why Mazda wouldn’t do a victory lap featuring Mr. Dave Coleman explaining all the car techno babble for Cretans like me to understand. Yes, they basically just hot rodded the engine, but he could uniquely explain how costly/difficult that would be to cram through most car companies and their bean counters. Bravo Zoom Zoom Inc. But why not get some cheap advertising?
I couldn't make out what you meant when you started by saying "Jesus, Mary...etc" which is a shame because it summarised your opinion of the car.
I still prefer my 2001. Hope it lasts me until I leave this life.
Who cares the infotainment system if you're enjoying your drive with this car. I just love to drive this car if I could've it.
I had an Elise SC and the Miata ND is no Elise (unfortunately). The suspension in the ND is a mess. It bobs and sways and makes me carsick. I’ve never had this experience in any car I’ve owned, including the S2000 and Boxster.
Stock suspension is ass. Luckily tunes exist
Sway bars make it so much better.
Right, that’s why it dominates it’s class in autocross
It’s basically a Japanese a boxster.
nice CJ6
I’d probably get mine supercharged. I have a 2019 Grand Touring softtop.
Wish the 2019 miata had a CD player in it.
How bout a 8 track player mounted on the dash with some jenson coaxial speakers .
So do I. Sorely missed. 😞 In fact, I’ve already decided; my next car will be USED, and CD friendly. Owning close to a thousand CDs - and regularly buying more - I want ONE FORMAT both at hone and in my car. And I’m super lazy. All I wanna have to do is… insert disc. Don’t wanna hit PLAY, don’t wanna look at lists, or select tracks or ever have to upload, download or stream my music. And I don’t want to have to go through my iPhone to enjoy it. And the music on my many, many CDs ain’t gonna make itself Miata ND2-friendly by itself! As I said, I’m a real lazy guy.
No...I'll wait for the....inevitable Turbo thankyou
People have been saying that for over 20 years, so good luck. The only factory turbocharged Miata was the NB Mazdaspeed, which makes less power than the 2019 although it did weigh slightly less.
It's been 2 years...
so the only thing this car is missing is a boosted option....they would destroy the market if they did that
I love this car is except for the small trunk. But it is a small sports car and it is what it is. It is not made for trippin" and ya can't makre it what it isn't.
So this is where I get a little annoyed. First the weight for the RF is 2450-2500lbs depending on options. The horsepower is 181 to the wheels. And it is a coupe. And everyone loves it. "so much power, so well balanced, and the hard top is exactly what it needs" rewind to 2013 the 86 platform was officially launched and it met all the same specs and it was panned for not utilizing the back seat better, being underpowered and having prius tires. The miata has no back seat, comes with really crappy tires and has the same power to the wheels. So why all the hate for the 86... Even now it is constantly ripped for not having more power🤔. Don't get me wrong, I autocrosser a clubsport last weekend and it was fun but I find the 86 to feel more solid.
mark arzuaga because the 86 is a terrible car compared to the Miata. It is slower in every way possible. The Miata also dominates its class in autocross.
Because the 86 is heavier by almost 300+ pounds , all the weight makes the 200 hp feel slower
Well, the car is just fine, and you, were very good as usual.
But, the contents of that hangar are seriously GROOVY.! Are they yours perchance.? If so, I think I hate you.
Greetings from the UK, and.. good man for the BBC mention, where the truth lives. No fake news over here.
Regards. WF
I’d like to know more about the XK150. A friend of mine had one back in the sixties. It was awesome in its day.
NITRON OR PENSKE COILOVERS AND WILWOOD BRAKES.
damn right! flyin miata "little big brake kit" wilwoods front and rear
Let’s talk about your style
This is a RWD Honda Del Sol🤍
I feel sorry for everyone who bought the older version.
Don’t feel bad, the difference is minor and only over 6k, just put FM or GWR springs and sway bars on it (about $600) and you have an amazing handling car.
The power bump is a marketing joke. The engine BMEP is unchanged.
@@mackan7086 But how? :o
i drive on the interstate here in Louisiana and im so apprehensive about driving cars this small that are so easily missed by much larger vehicles. love these but i couldn't own one.
Get it, it will make you a better driver. Much more aware of your surroundings, more defense, more in sync
Bro small cars are great. I live in Atlanta (way more traffic) and you have a lot of visibility in cars like this and it’s easy as hell to change lanes and not worry about the ass of the car
@@SicSemperBeats I live in Atlanta as well. Back in the day traffic was a breeze. Now we have rush hour from 5am to 8pm.
Omg Mazda make a fucking sports car already (non rotary)
how tall are you?
6'
The RF really needs a D-shaped steering wheel.
No thanks!
Make it a part of the BBS/Brembo pkg. or at the very least a standalone option. :)
way to destroy a new road
Still wish Mazda would have made a fixed hard top "Fastback" model with a usable rear hatch instead of this RF model.. But of course, I know why they went this direction instead, RF I'm sure sells better than a simple hardtop variant would.
I would give them a budget of about 5K to do suspension and save at least 15 K overall because I would send them an NC instead! Part of my new post Moto man Dave Ramsey video outlook!
I miss my MX5. 1 more year and Ill get the new one.
Super charger
I won't need country music.
Miata is dope and everything but honestly I think if I have $35k in hands I'll go with a 2nd gen Veloster Turbo Rspec ($25k) over a Miata. It's 204hp, manual, fun to drive and with real 4 seats and a huge trunk. And I will even save $10k.
I understand your argument, but a Miata is too different to compare. This is why most new Miata's are bought as second vehicles. I had an ND Miata and traded it for a Mazda3 because living with the ND as my only car was too tough. I have since bought an NA and now I have best of both worlds. I had a VT before my ND and now having my Mazda3, I've realized it is so much more fun to drive, MPG is 8mpg better, and its just as fast with the 2.5L engine. I can't speak to second gen VT's tho. I would just test drive the heck out of it before you buy. Hyundai's are good on paper, that was the mistake I made when buying mine, not comparing it to enough other vehicles.
@@TheAdventureAuto ofcourse, if you have the money for a 2nd car (aka the sunday fun ride car) Miata is a great option.
But I was just saying if I only have cash for one car I ll go for something can do many things for me.
And yes I was talking about the new way better Veloster Turbo evey car youtubers going crazy about not the old slow one.
*201hp
How can you compare a miata and veloster ? Yeah, there are both really fun to drive ...but rwd vs fwd, turbo vs atmo, cab vs coupe, 2 vs 4 ? It is like comparing tomato to carrot : D
FREEB!RDS!!
of course, ls swap
@Sergio Aguirre your false idol is garbage.
Flying Miata LSX swap.
S
the nc mk3.5 is more beautiful
The rear end is fugly. Too short. Not sleek. I think adding an inch or two would give it a more classic proportion. Right now it looks like a Scion FR-S with squinty eyes and no butt. Plus it will give you slightly better trunk space and safety margin incase of a rear end collision. Lastly I think staggered wheels will compliment the look and if it cost $1000 more, so be it.
Joe De La Garza
Your so wrong, this car will go down in history as one of the best looking cars ever . I do own one and I look at it constantly, so I’m clearly biased, but I think you’ll find over time this design will only look better
John Dempsey. When the car first came out I thought it was ok looking but over time I have not liked the overall design, especially the rear. I think that in Mazda’s quest to reduce weight they shortchanged the rear end and made it less attractive and practical. Only time will tell how sales hold up. Or how soon they redesign it.
Have to disagree. Car looks like a jaguar and I fucking love it. When I'm done paying off my NC I'm definitely getting a 2019.
Casty Plays. Yeah it kinda looks like a cross between a Jag XK and Honda Del Sol. But hey, if you love that sort of thing, go for it.
making the miata any bigger is a crime worse than any i can think of, it's meant to be small, it's meant to be light, it does not conform to our standards, we conform to its
Still in this day 180 hp isnt shit ! I dont care if it is super light.
That's great.. You really need to put your spare cash towards moving out of your mom's house.
38k for a miata rf club why? You can buy 2013 boxster s. But this is a nice girls car.
yeah, and for 38k, I am sure you can find an used GTR .... that's stupid to compare new vs used.
Dude drives a chick car, drives a chick car, dude drives a chick car, drives a chick car ! Miata, Cabrolet, Geo Metro, VW Bug ! Dude drives a chick car.
^^^Proof that Neanderthals are not extinct...
Idiot