killer tutorial. love the sound. a good addition would be to group all the modules together to an instrument rack and then map the cutoffs to the macro knob. then you can just map the macro knob to the controller and you can save the instrument.
Another good idea is to use the "Vocal O" EQ 8 preset in Ableton at the end of the FX chain, then modulate the low shelf frequency between 0 hz and 530 hz with the growl modulation, and at the same time do a lot of pitch bend; this creates that sort of downwards growl voice that is quite common with these kinds of sounds.
It only gives the base waveform to work with, then you use different kinds of distortions to add harmonics and filters to balance them or take harmonics out. So what comes out of FM8 is really only the base structure of the sound.
I'm not the video poster, but I would think yes. Also, you can, instead of applying everything to one macro, apply half to one, half to another, and automate them differently. Also, doing the macros allows you to create entirely new sounds throughout your track. It also helps to bounce those specific sounds down to audio, once you feel you have the perfect fit of automation, that way you don't accidentally fuck with it.
Hey man, I had this problem as well. 1. Go To Options 2. Then Go To Preferences 3. Open The Midi/Sync Tab 4. At The Bottom, Where It Says Midi Ports, Your Midi Controller Should Be Shown. 5. Click Track & Remote- There Should Be 3 Options (Track,Synce,Remote) 6. Then Refresh & It Should Work. It Worked For Me :) Your Welcome :)
If anyone is having problems assigning midi params just pause the video under 1080 so you can read the settings he's used and make sure they match yours. desregard any of the midi cc messages which say fm8 and just make sure you have all the ones that say fm8 (2) the list of cc mssgs looks twice as long because he mapped them for the already made track which he switches between to show you the before and after. that part had me confused but if you look the values are the same for fm8 and fm8(2)
Rule #1 of EQing: cut before you boost. Instead of boosting the low and high end, cut the mids instead. If you're worried about your track not being loud enough, turn you limiter up to +20db and mix through it like that. This will give you buttloads of headroom and if you ever have to send something off to get professionally mastered, your mastering engineer wont hate you.
You can do whatever you want. Plenty of engineers use boosts almost exclusively, plenty more cut almost exclusively. The only rule is “make sure it sounds good when you’re done.”
Well now i bought fm8, its not nearly advanced as it looks. It's actually quite simple and the UI is very user friendly. I made the growl and it turned out awesome. Thanks for the tutorial!
Thank you so much!...I have to change my daw from FL STUDIO to ABLETON but its hard to get used to differences. Oh and by the way...this time I downloaded the video in case if you have any "problems" with skrillex mafia ^^
yeah got this working finally. hadn't used FM8 before so I missed turning on the letters (E, F & Z) at first. also i had to get a program called 'permissions reset' and reset the permissions on my FM8 files (app, component & VST) before my FM8 would run properly. the ohmicide preset file seems to load in quite a lot of presets (something else I didn't realise - plus you have to then choose one of them before anything happens) - but they're all pretty similar. Huge thank you!
Yes although it's a slightly different approach. Instead of using the autofilters, you can use a channel eq with a steep Q on the High pass filter set at -48 db so you basically get a cutoff that is almost like a wall and the same with a Low Pass filter.
with max for live you can, check the "api lfo" or something, you can assign any control of the channel. (sry for the english and thx for all the Tuto :)
@Letssynthesize Your tut is way better mate, you go into the modulation and all that! I didn't intentionally aim it at you man! Nice work though love your stuff!
@eDapification Very simple! First click on the MIDI button above, to enable MIDI mappings. Then you have to click on the parameter you want to adjust to a controller, so click on FM8's fm matrix where Z and E feedback. Right now it seems nothing to happen, but actually the parameter is adjusted to the MIDI, but Live doesn't know which knob to adjust. Now you only have to turn that knob you want to use. Done! :)
Because ableton doesn't have LFO to control the macros, the only way is to draw manually the movements, the wubs. I hope in Live 9 there will be a good solution for this. But you don't need to worry, because this growl sound is not a wobble kind of bass sound.
@TomRmFilms also make sure in midi settings under preferences Remote is turned on for your corresponding midi controller so it can recieve midi messages.
Sugarbytes WoW filter still seems like a badass plugin. FM synthesis was the sauce before serum. Still is. The grit was so fluid and almost organic in some ways. I think I'll download Razor and try it out.
@DRAMA426 Well, as you can see, I am using the demo version of Ohmicide, because it is so cool, it let's you play for about 7 hours without disturbance. And I am almost a hundred percent sure that FL Studio has the same overdrive and EQ effect. Experiment!
Dude this is THE shit, nice one. As others have mentioned i mapped them to a macro, been a little learning curve as I'm a cubase user, but definitely prefer the mapping in ableton. Keep up the tuts and upload some of your original stuff, sure it rocks!
He's deliberately vague but the interview with comp music mag (the one every1's referring to) he said he uses Massive, FM8, Gladiator, sylenth, omicide, and Operator. He said he uses FM8 for his "Growls" and I'm assuming modulated sounds (wobbles) in massive. He also said in another unrelated interview that he uses Kontakt, Probably just for "real" sounds like piano, strings, guitar, etc. He also uses Ableton, the only program you can macro multiple fx and stack multiple synths in one track.
yes it can be done in FL :) It's harder with the modulations... but it is possible. Ableton might be more suitable if you're looking for Skrillex type growls and bass...
When you link the controller there is a box at the top that says Remove Conflicts, uncheck that. Then where it says Controller you make the number the same for each thing you link to your controller. Hope this helps.
@johnschneider49 I agree. Skrillex uses admitted he uses FM8 for his deep growls, not Massive like most of the tutorials on youtube. The FM8 is Additive Synthesis. Harder to wrap your head around imo.
You're right, I sucked it up picked up an MPK mini controller and ableton, these features are fantastic however I hope rewire as I don't plan on learning how to mix in Ableton.
you can try camelphat or camelcrusher, but honestly if you're serious about making dubstep, ohmicide is kind of a must in my opinion. if you'd be willing to part with $120, i would highly recommend buying it.
no, I used logic for a year after many years with protools & reason. But the second I saw what you could do with automation and marco's (multiple FX with one knob) and how you could stack multiple VST's on top of each other in one track. I switched immediately to Ableton. Don't get me wrong logic is great, but for electronic music where 20 percent of what your doing is editing modulation LFO's with automation. Ableton's got it beat
@Inphanity Well, am not planning doing tuts on those. Basically those are very simple sounds, and came pourly from Massive. Try experimenting and always use LFO! ;)
i actually found out the problem try clicking or right clicking the lines that link the oscillators they should turn to like a light grey i think that turns them on i managed to get sound after that :P
ya your not gonna want to use a filter for this in logic. use an eq and just set the parameter to the hertz and set it's decibles to 24, then to set multiple just click on the learn mode and set it and click it again. do it for the next one but when it asks you to "keep both" make sure you keep both because then you can do control for multiple parameters at the same time
@Weitzinator Windows picks up .pbk files as network phone books but Ohmicide uses the extension as a preset bank. Open it with Ohmicide and you're good to go.
@TheTomVengeance im also in the process of switching to ableton, been on FL for 6 years!! im liking ableton so far though, i can deff see myself gettim used to it. i think it will be worth it in the long run, just keepp with it!
its not the controller that is special - it's the programming in ableton that does it. all you need is one midi nob that goes from 1 to 127. just keep at it - pause it and do it bit at a time. it took me about 45 mins to get it, but i got it now.
ok two things, one are you actually using a midi controller with a dial on it that your using because that's what it sounds like your saying and also your preset for ohminiside is just a network setup file
Thanks for the tutorial! Best growl I've heard yet. Question: I can match the sound at the ohmicide point. However, after applying the high pass filter, the sound is not as "deep" as yours. ('m using a different equalizer for the high pass). Does the Auto Filter in ableton add an element that other high pass filters cannot do?
Would you have any tuts on those high pitch wobbles at the end? I can make them in any synth but there has to be a good one for that distinctive sound used a lot in today's popular stuff like knife party and skrillex.
@PowerMatty Yeah, I could. But that would the story of another tutorial. :) Tracks: Skrillex - Right in (or you can find it as "Just beleive") Foreign Beggars feat Skrillex - Still Gettin It iSQUARE - Hey Sexy Lady (Skrillex Remix)
@iamthemankobe Ableton was made by electronic musicians for electronic musicians... don't get me wrong logic is great but if you make house/techno/dubstep...etc.etc. I really don't see why everyone isn't using either ableton or fruity loops. Having said that logic is ions ahead of all of those in terms of live sound recording (vocals, bands etc)... I've used almost every DAW there is(protools,logic,cubase,reason) but as far as automation goes NOTHING is better than ableton.
Hey this is an awesome tutorial~ Quick question though, When you are mapping the 100 feedback thing between Z and E, how did you do it? I've tried enabling midi and dragging the 100 over to the midi map section but it doesn't seem to work.
Borat you are the man at this shit This video is awesome very hard to follow at some points but keep it up brotha could be just cuz I'm lit to the gillys
You should show people how to group this in Ableton so that instead of using a midi controller you map it all to 1 macro. Otherwise you cannot use this instrument in other songs without going through all the midi mapping again. If you select everything and do control g in ableton then go to map mode and assign all the things you assigned to a midi controller to a single knob and accept the warning to overwrite the midi mappings it will just work. Give your instrument a name and save it. Enjoy
Ok, I have all the settings done but I don't understand how you are controlling the overall sound. Do you have a synthesizer, keyboard, or what? Great tutorial. Sorry, I'm new to this.
Hmm... Interesting sound, but how can you actually control the sound to give it a wobble effect, right now it has the power of a skrillex type bass but it just seems like noise, interesting tutorial none the less you helped me learn a bit about FM synthesis!
got nowhere close cos there doesnt seem to be a way to do this on fl, shame the end sound is amazing! is there anything you could do to help us fl users??
great sound cheers for the tutorial. I just have one question... what does feeding the signals of operators E and F back into themselves do? I understand what F is doing to E, but don't get why feeding the signal of an operator with the same ratio and offset back into itself effects the overall sound.
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literally the only tutorial on youtube where the result even sounds like skrillex....thank you sir.
by FAR the most accurate imitation of the skrillex growl I've seen anywhere
killer tutorial. love the sound. a good addition would be to group all the modules together to an instrument rack and then map the cutoffs to the macro knob. then you can just map the macro knob to the controller and you can save the instrument.
Another good idea is to use the "Vocal O" EQ 8 preset in Ableton at the end of the FX chain, then modulate the low shelf frequency between 0 hz and 530 hz with the growl modulation, and at the same time do a lot of pitch bend; this creates that sort of downwards growl voice that is quite common with these kinds of sounds.
Thank you so much for putting the Ohmicide preset!
FM8 is a really nice plugin, but difficult to get used to
It only gives the base waveform to work with, then you use different kinds of distortions to add harmonics and filters to balance them or take harmonics out. So what comes out of FM8 is really only the base structure of the sound.
You are one of the most underrated and greatest sound designers over youtube, I follow you since your TERROR SQUAD GROWL, you are a legend!
Awwww thanks bruh!!!
I'm not the video poster, but I would think yes. Also, you can, instead of applying everything to one macro, apply half to one, half to another, and automate them differently. Also, doing the macros allows you to create entirely new sounds throughout your track. It also helps to bounce those specific sounds down to audio, once you feel you have the perfect fit of automation, that way you don't accidentally fuck with it.
Hey man, I had this problem as well.
1. Go To Options
2. Then Go To Preferences
3. Open The Midi/Sync Tab
4. At The Bottom, Where It Says Midi Ports, Your Midi Controller Should Be Shown.
5. Click Track & Remote- There Should Be 3 Options (Track,Synce,Remote)
6. Then Refresh & It Should Work. It Worked For Me :)
Your Welcome :)
If anyone is having problems assigning midi params just pause the video under 1080 so you can read the settings he's used and make sure they match yours. desregard any of the midi cc messages which say fm8 and just make sure you have all the ones that say fm8 (2) the list of cc mssgs looks twice as long because he mapped them for the already made track which he switches between to show you the before and after. that part had me confused but if you look the values are the same for fm8 and fm8(2)
Im starting to really believe Skrillex uses FM8 and not Massive for his bass sounds... This tutorial is great! thanks! my first day with FM8!
Rule #1 of EQing: cut before you boost. Instead of boosting the low and high end, cut the mids instead. If you're worried about your track not being loud enough, turn you limiter up to +20db and mix through it like that. This will give you buttloads of headroom and if you ever have to send something off to get professionally mastered, your mastering engineer wont hate you.
You can do whatever you want. Plenty of engineers use boosts almost exclusively, plenty more cut almost exclusively. The only rule is “make sure it sounds good when you’re done.”
Yes! You are the winner! :)
Well now i bought fm8, its not nearly advanced as it looks. It's actually quite simple and the UI is very user friendly. I made the growl and it turned out awesome. Thanks for the tutorial!
the program hes using is ableton live. its honestly my favorite program to use to make dubstep
Thank you so much!...I have to change my daw from FL STUDIO to ABLETON but its hard to get used to differences. Oh and by the way...this time I downloaded the video in case if you have any "problems" with skrillex mafia ^^
yeah got this working finally. hadn't used FM8 before so I missed turning on the letters (E, F & Z) at first. also i had to get a program called 'permissions reset' and reset the permissions on my FM8 files (app, component & VST) before my FM8 would run properly. the ohmicide preset file seems to load in quite a lot of presets (something else I didn't realise - plus you have to then choose one of them before anything happens) - but they're all pretty similar. Huge thank you!
great tutorial! Mapping the controls to a macro in an instrument rack works great too
i have, using the same method but the operators arent routed the same as they are in this tutorial. sounds pretty decent, definitely useable
Yes although it's a slightly different approach. Instead of using the autofilters, you can use a channel eq with a steep Q on the High pass filter set at -48 db so you basically get a cutoff that is almost like a wall and the same with a Low Pass filter.
WOW this is really close to Skrillex's growl bass. Thanks for the helpful video man, really appreciate it.
great tutorial man, thanks! i chuckled when you said "cool" towards the end of the video, it sounded so legit haha.
with max for live you can, check the "api lfo" or something, you can assign any control of the channel. (sry for the english and thx for all the Tuto :)
I so love you guys! :D
@Letssynthesize Your tut is way better mate, you go into the modulation and all that! I didn't intentionally aim it at you man! Nice work though love your stuff!
@eDapification
Very simple! First click on the MIDI button above, to enable MIDI mappings. Then you have to click on the parameter you want to adjust to a controller, so click on FM8's fm matrix where Z and E feedback. Right now it seems nothing to happen, but actually the parameter is adjusted to the MIDI, but Live doesn't know which knob to adjust. Now you only have to turn that knob you want to use. Done! :)
Because ableton doesn't have LFO to control the macros, the only way is to draw manually the movements, the wubs. I hope in Live 9 there will be a good solution for this. But you don't need to worry, because this growl sound is not a wobble kind of bass sound.
@TomRmFilms also make sure in midi settings under preferences Remote is turned on for your corresponding midi controller so it can recieve midi messages.
awesome as usual, Dan.
Keep up with the good work! :D
@TomRmFilms
Don't only click, but turn a little the value on the FM matrix. This will help with Wow filter too!
I love the way you say "cool" at 8:17 :D
awesome tutorial by the way !
even without midi controls it is possible. Fl studio lets u automate these controls within the program.
He said it in an interview once. I'll go look for it.
Sugarbytes WoW filter still seems like a badass plugin. FM synthesis was the sauce before serum. Still is. The grit was so fluid and almost organic in some ways. I think I'll download Razor and try it out.
Razor is neat too
@DRAMA426
Well, as you can see, I am using the demo version of Ohmicide, because it is so cool, it let's you play for about 7 hours without disturbance. And I am almost a hundred percent sure that FL Studio has the same overdrive and EQ effect. Experiment!
Great tutorial, not come across ohmicide or wow filter before... Cheers
Dude this is THE shit, nice one. As others have mentioned i mapped them to a macro, been a little learning curve as I'm a cubase user, but definitely prefer the mapping in ableton. Keep up the tuts and upload some of your original stuff, sure it rocks!
He's deliberately vague but the interview with comp music mag (the one every1's referring to) he said he uses Massive, FM8, Gladiator, sylenth, omicide, and Operator. He said he uses FM8 for his "Growls" and I'm assuming modulated sounds (wobbles) in massive. He also said in another unrelated interview that he uses Kontakt, Probably just for "real" sounds like piano, strings, guitar, etc. He also uses Ableton, the only program you can macro multiple fx and stack multiple synths in one track.
thats the format in which it is saved, it works fine
yes it can be done in FL :) It's harder with the modulations... but it is possible. Ableton might be more suitable if you're looking for Skrillex type growls and bass...
Got the exact sound with fl 10! After some trickery I got it all linked to one controller.
@djaniquinn FM8 is FM (frequency modulation) synthesis. Not additive, hence F.M.8
When you link the controller there is a box at the top that says Remove Conflicts, uncheck that. Then where it says Controller you make the number the same for each thing you link to your controller. Hope this helps.
@johnschneider49 I agree. Skrillex uses admitted he uses FM8 for his deep growls, not Massive like most of the tutorials on youtube. The FM8 is Additive Synthesis. Harder to wrap your head around imo.
You're right, I sucked it up picked up an MPK mini controller and ableton, these features are fantastic however I hope rewire as I don't plan on learning how to mix in Ableton.
skrillex grool
Ooo, it's all in the wow filter! Nice tutorial btw!!
you can try camelphat or camelcrusher, but honestly if you're serious about making dubstep, ohmicide is kind of a must in my opinion. if you'd be willing to part with $120, i would highly recommend buying it.
Why not? I shared this freely, so do it! My only request is to post your job here, because we are curious what one can do with my stuffs! Cheers!
hey man/ bought your drum mmidi and was happy
this tut is sick
no, I used logic for a year after many years with protools & reason. But the second I saw what you could do with automation and marco's (multiple FX with one knob) and how you could stack multiple VST's on top of each other in one track. I switched immediately to Ableton. Don't get me wrong logic is great, but for electronic music where 20 percent of what your doing is editing modulation LFO's with automation. Ableton's got it beat
Ohmicide is a Vst Plug in so it will be in you plug ins filter under the audio effects tab
awesome tutorial, learned a lot and it sounds sick!
Actually Skrillex uses Ableton's EQ-Eight to make his growls. You just modulate the frequencies on it.
@mynmyself
This can not be compared. The sound of FM8 is a beast (just like Massive) but Virus is smooth and crystal clear like silk.
@Inphanity
Well, am not planning doing tuts on those. Basically those are very simple sounds, and came pourly from Massive. Try experimenting and always use LFO! ;)
really? this is a perfect growl!
i actually found out the problem try clicking or right clicking the lines that link the oscillators they should turn to like a light grey i think that turns them on i managed to get sound after that :P
ya your not gonna want to use a filter for this in logic. use an eq and just set the parameter to the hertz and set it's decibles to 24, then to set multiple just click on the learn mode and set it and click it again. do it for the next one but when it asks you to "keep both" make sure you keep both because then you can do control for multiple parameters at the same time
SICK TUTORIAL DUDE!!
@Weitzinator Windows picks up .pbk files as network phone books but Ohmicide uses the extension as a preset bank. Open it with Ohmicide and you're good to go.
yeah it is but when I did all I ended up with was a heavy metal guitar this tutorial is good :)
@TheTomVengeance im also in the process of switching to ableton, been on FL for 6 years!! im liking ableton so far though, i can deff see myself gettim used to it. i think it will be worth it in the long run, just keepp with it!
yes you can, but the highpass filters we got aren't specific enough to attempt those filters
@hxclos
Yes, I use a knob of my synthesizer: Access Virus KB.
hey thanks for the tutorial man, managed to get this working in fl studio :)
its not the controller that is special - it's the programming in ableton that does it. all you need is one midi nob that goes from 1 to 127. just keep at it - pause it and do it bit at a time. it took me about 45 mins to get it, but i got it now.
ok two things, one are you actually using a midi controller with a dial on it that your using because that's what it sounds like your saying and also your preset for ohminiside is just a network setup file
FL Studio's automation method: *create automation channel* or manually automate via *record automation and score,*
if that helps...
awesome, sounds the same as in the tutorial. Subscribed :D
Thanks for the tutorial! Best growl I've heard yet.
Question: I can match the sound at the ohmicide point. However, after applying the high pass filter, the sound is not as "deep" as yours. ('m using a different equalizer for the high pass). Does the Auto Filter in ableton add an element that other high pass filters cannot do?
Sounds like FM8 could have been used by Justice in Waters of Nazareth as well, Old vst I havent given much thoughts. Thanks for opening my eyes :)
Great tutorial man, love it!
@Gmoral69
No, you can use a macro of an instrument track either, that is a lot better solution to tell you the truth!
Would you have any tuts on those high pitch wobbles at the end? I can make them in any synth but there has to be a good one for that distinctive sound used a lot in today's popular stuff like knife party and skrillex.
@PowerMatty
Yeah, I could. But that would the story of another tutorial. :)
Tracks:
Skrillex - Right in (or you can find it as "Just beleive")
Foreign Beggars feat Skrillex - Still Gettin It
iSQUARE - Hey Sexy Lady (Skrillex Remix)
@iamthemankobe Ableton was made by electronic musicians for electronic musicians... don't get me wrong logic is great but if you make house/techno/dubstep...etc.etc. I really don't see why everyone isn't using either ableton or fruity loops. Having said that logic is ions ahead of all of those in terms of live sound recording (vocals, bands etc)... I've used almost every DAW there is(protools,logic,cubase,reason) but as far as automation goes NOTHING is better than ableton.
Hey this is an awesome tutorial~
Quick question though, When you are mapping the 100 feedback thing between Z and E, how did you do it? I've tried enabling midi and dragging the 100 over to the midi map section but it doesn't seem to work.
Borat you are the man at this shit This video is awesome very hard to follow at some points but keep it up brotha could be just cuz I'm lit to the gillys
@Evenyre
Thanks, and your welcome! :)
You should show people how to group this in Ableton so that instead of using a midi controller you map it all to 1 macro. Otherwise you cannot use this instrument in other songs without going through all the midi mapping again. If you select everything and do control g in ableton then go to map mode and assign all the things you assigned to a midi controller to a single knob and accept the warning to overwrite the midi mappings it will just work. Give your instrument a name and save it. Enjoy
mind adding the fm8 preset ? i am a complete massive guy and have no experience in fm8. greatly appreciated !!!
Yeah he actually uses FM8 more than Massive. He said he can get a wider range of sounds that way.
@GerardKnight7
Just use the fruity filter and midi/macro the cutoff. Should work.
Ok, I have all the settings done but I don't understand how you are controlling the overall sound. Do you have a synthesizer, keyboard, or what? Great tutorial. Sorry, I'm new to this.
Hmm... Interesting sound, but how can you actually control the sound to give it a wobble effect, right now it has the power of a skrillex type bass but it just seems like noise, interesting tutorial none the less you helped me learn a bit about FM synthesis!
If you link all the parameters to a fruity formula controller you can use the A knob in that to control them all at once
Yeah I figured that out like 20 minutes after i type the comment.. I also can't get Camel Crusher to show up in the plugin menu? Thanks in advance...
Where can i find the music in the outro? It's so badass !
where did you read that he uses those vst?
thanks
the 5pin media one in the description? i was wondering if it is for fm8 or what? i would love buy an fm8 pack from you if thats the case!!!
got nowhere close cos there doesnt seem to be a way to do this on fl, shame the end sound is amazing! is there anything you could do to help us fl users??
Well just a Midi out but I could easily link it to a physical controller if I wanted to...
@romelloWilliams11
Use an instrument rack and assign the parameters to a macro control.
@superdupersnorkle
Yes!
great sound cheers for the tutorial. I just have one question... what does feeding the signals of operators E and F back into themselves do? I understand what F is doing to E, but don't get why feeding the signal of an operator with the same ratio and offset back into itself effects the overall sound.
great work!
sounds awesome man! maybe a little less distortion? just my opinion tho. Sounds great though! :)
Is it possible for logic to automate parameters simultaneously like this?
@sKyPhamusic
Show us! We are curious, aren't we?