Why This Is The Worst Character In Marvel vs Capcom
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ย. 2022
- We look at the worst Character in Marvel vs Capcom 3 and why she is struggling to see play. Luckily some people like LLND and PZPoy are pushing the character to new heights.
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If there's one thing I really appreciate about team-games, it's the ability to give low-tiers and straight up bad characters an actual fighting chance (heh).
Seeing your favorite character be considered so bad that they're basically a handicap can be disheartening. But knowing you could find a niche for them can be great
What made me cringe at having worst character(s) aside from buffing them is that they wasted a slot for requested potential characters (X, Jin Satome, Cyclops, and Captain Falcon should be in UMvC3 instead tho-)
Honestly if Hsien-Ko just had her sauce from Darkstalkers she'd probably be upper mid, and an interesting character to see in play
Reminder Niitsuma was the one who wanted her in the game and the devs just fucked her up.
I swear it’s like the devs only just saw Hsien-Ko gameplay in Darkstalkers 3 without actually playing it
You forgot to tell her damage is abysmal. Even longer combos do next to nothing for as long as she's on point. No one wants to do a complex combo with all her tools to cause less damage than Chris with two random magnum shots.
She's as bad as Phoenix wright without the turnabout mode
Why you gotta do Phoenix Wright like that 😭
She also has a TAC infinite I think too… man it’s crazy that even the low tier has a unique sauce of their own
tbf EVERYONE pretty much has a tac inf
@@deathbringer9893 true, but it’s still cool how dog shit of character they are, but still have infinites
Not really a high bar in this game
nice video but hsien-ko does have a plink dash and one of the best backwards plink dashes in the game. her teleports can be cancelled repeatedly by plinking to be surprisingly fast to mixup the opponent. something significant about her also is that she can combo her tenrai-ha into itself after using her gong, making her have decent solo kill options. but yeah, she sucks and not being able to combo off her air throw is horrible... i wish crouching H was an OTG so she could do something off her air throw.
How they made her slower in a Marvel vs Capcom game is still astonishing.
Wow I can honestly say I had no idea she had a command grab lmao i learnt smth new
One thing to really appreciate about team games like Marvel is even the low tiers are usable competitively, because team building helps you cover their weaknesses with stronger characters. This also provides a naturally balancing factor.
She's bad but not unplayable. The assist is god tier with gold armor and she has a fantastic backdash, and gong reflector invalidates a lot of gameplans. But ultimately any Hsien Ko team will be brutally weak to snapping her into anchor before she goes gold.
Sauceboss is another player that makes her work.
As a Vampire Saviour fan, It's sad to see my main be bad in another game. But it's cool that Hsien-Ko can still do some good in High-level game play in MVC3.
Playing Marvel after Darkstalkers it feels like she became twice as slow, especially that depressing air dash
My team was jill her and modok. I had no plans on winning any games lol 😅
I don't think Hsein-Ko is so bad on paper to be honest. The meta is so focused on aggressive gameplay that they're looked at her from the wrong perspective. I'm not saying she's top tier but I think there are worse characters in the game when consider her as a zoner and counter zoning character. Her projectiles are supposed to cover all of her angles, while she has a chance to combo after her light projectile throw on grounded opponents. Her gong reflects and nulifies all projectiles while being a projectile of its own. She's got large hitboxes on her normals and a really good plink backdash to get away from the opponent. If you play her defensively and with some solid assists you get a pretty decent character.
I literally had to stop the video because I appreciate how much time and effort you put in to this content especially at the 3:08 part where Hsien-Ko be cookin! Keep up the good work!
Also I am selfish and want to see your breakdown on characters like Iron Fist and Nemesis!
I'm pretty sure you are the best Ironfist in the world though 😉
For the Versus series, usually if a character debuts from a fighting game, they amp up their sauce.
It's weird how much they took away from Hsien-Ko.
I genuinely believe they assumed the hyper armor special along with tools such as strong mix ups and reliable OTGs would make her busted.
To this day I don't understand why Morrigan was allowed to build meter during Astral Vision. That one change would've provided balance, especially when paired with Doom. Ahh, but Marvel is a game of such delights. Still wish we got Juggy in this iteration. Power up!! 💪
One other funny thing about the character is that H Anki Hou (the high item throw) actually hits overhead. Haven't seen anyone use that for anything so far, but you can theoretically do a solo high-low unblockable with it.
"Worst Character in Marvel" But she's a Capcom character
It's too bad she doesn't hop, she's teleports. Considering that she'd supposed to be a Jiang shi.
(Hopping zombie/vampire)
i was so sad when i play her on mv3 for the first time cause in darkstalkers she was one of the best and now she is often forgotten
This shows how good the balance is in UMvC3. Even the worst char is pretty good.
Really love these umvc3 vids mate.
Keep 'em coming :-)
I fucking love this channel. I have never played or really watched mvc3, but these videos explain things so clearly and are really informative and well edited
Pzpoy holding it down for her recently, top 8 at evo if I remember and top 8 at weekly tns
Which Evo? Not any up until RyanLV won it.
@@Yawdan the recent 2022 evo, its considered a side tourney so thats why many ppl weren't aware
@@pochoboto thanks
Nice I'll have to check those matches out. Used to love watching LLND do work with her lol.
back when SRK data was alive, Hsien Ko fell short 227 units to even be considered a valid character
Amazing video! So well produced, edited, spaced, and narrated!
I don't play MVC at all but I watch sometimes and when I heard Lei Lei was complete trash I was a little hurt cuz she's my favorite in VS
These videos are so good papalobster! I have only recently started playing marvel and its such an awesome game with such a rich history. Theres actually several mechanics I have a better understanding off thanks to watching your vids and I really hope this channel sees the success your production quality deserves!
Eh, i think shes under valued. Her assist if you setup is easily a top 3 assist. Her support is amazing. Shes not that much worse than say Phoenix wright or nemesis
She’s a gimmick character, at best. Normally I’m one to enjoy the lower tier characters but I feel Hsien-ko is only good against people who are unfamiliar with her playstyle and therefore are ignorant of the matchup.
Give or take a few matches and any decent player will wipe the floor with her. She’s not undervalued, she’s just a poorly designed character, and justifying her use with an assist means nothing when snap backs exist and can force her in before she can even use her hyper armor
@@paradonyx7987 DHCING to gold armor exists, and you can say the exact same things about any low tier character.
Hsien Ko has been seen in high level play and has been made to work. Shes not super awful. People over downplay her. She has good normals and a top tier assist. Its not a gimmick, its real, and it beats any move in the entire game and cannot be stopped. Its literally a better lariat and a bionic arm in an assist.
Almost ANY character in UMVC3 is viable. Sacktap uses Arthur, nemesis and Ghost Rider for god sakes.
Almost any character in UMVC3 is viable and can work.
You just always have better options, yes, but people forget thst so many different characters have won Majors and Evo.
Vergil, Doom, Wolverine, Mags, Dante, Zero, Morrigan, Dorm, Modok, Spencer, Nova, Phoenix, Strider, Arthur, Nemesis, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Storm, Akuma, Frank, Taskmaster, Shuma, Hawkeye, Rocket Raccoon, Iron Man, X23, Hsien Ko, Hulk, Sentinel, Chris, Wesker, Capt America, Phoenix Wright, dr strange are all viable and have done well in tournaments over the years.
You can win with Hsien Ko. She has cheap shit. Her cheap shit isnt super good, but she HAS VIABLE tech.
@@yourstillwithme Her assist is no where near top three. Because it's immune to hit stun, it also takes unscaled damage It literally dies to one XF1 HSentinelForce, and other things. It's a decent gimmick, but it IS a gimmick, and easily countered in ways that make her actually completely useless.
One other mildly weird and not helpful thing about Hsien-ko. is that the super she tends to end combos with will also almost always have a slight variance in amount of hits. Making her damage a little weird in certain situations. It's a shame though she's really cool and fun and is just bogged down with some of the worst movement in the game without as much as other characters have to back them up.
I see her as a wall type where she’s strictly defensive but Ghost Rider does the same thing but better
Capcom could of made her good tho had she been faster and given more tools
Yeah, felt like Capcom just gave up on her mid production.
hahahaha using my impratical hsienko video was amazing! keep doing a good job man!
Didn't see a mention of LLND in the comments. Can't watch the vid yet so maybe you mentioned his body of work as basically the only person to main her. Check out his highlights if they aren't in this video.
"Every character has some sauce" is such a beautiful statement to me
I didn't expect the bit where you said that someone have been playing her well. I unironically thought MvC3 was figured out to the point of stuff like this not happening anymore. That's awesome.
It is. LLND never really had success, and PZPOY was playing online and ultimately got some wins with doom/vergil, but was held back by Hsien. Marvel hasn't really evolved since ~2016 or so. Hsien-ko's weakness is that the only good thing about her (gold armor assist) is 10-0 hardcounted by Sentinel Hyper Force, and some other hypers.
Some of the shit I've seen mid tiers do in the hands of specialists in this game makes me say if you wanna use whoever you want go for it. Like this was my first fighting game and I wanted to learn Super Skrull so I did and stuck with him. Now i can beat top tiers with him on my team no problem like there's so much synergizing in this game you can figure out how to make characters you like work.
Even as a kid when I first played I knew she was hot garbage, and I was a stubborn kid who thought he could make anything strong if he never gave up, but nah trying to play Hsien-Ko humbled me real quick
Man i liked hsien-ko in darkstalkers, like the psp version
My lineup of skrull, hsien-ko and sentinel was some pretty fun stuff, but yeah besides the gold armor assist hsien-ko was sad in mvc3
Ain't stopping me from playing best girl on my team. 😤😤😤😤😤
It's sad to see, considering how good Hsien-Ko was in her source game.
Also, hate to be "that guy," but the correct way to pronounce her name is "Syen-Ko."
Vampire Savior version of Hsien Ko is indeed a mid tier. But she's either a high A tier or an S tier in Super Gem Fighter (aka Pocket Fighter).
Thank you recommend ☺️ Banger video! Really enjoyed this mini but in-depth look at hishen ko!
I’d like to see a video about my man Phoenix Wright, and how people have used really unconventional shells to make him work. I.E. the PW Dante Joe team or the PW Cap Strange team.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I have literally never seen her command grab before lmao
Man, she's my favorite Darkstalkers character. This is like when Sakurai nerfed Kirby after 64 (aka the only good game in the series)
I'd be interested in hearing about competitive MvCi, or maybe even why there isn't much of it...
Madrobot00 has a pretty nasty Hsien-Ko. First saw them in a low tier Tampa never sleeps tourney
Pain this used to be one of my favorite characters when I first and only time I was able to play a darkstalkers game (I played a flash version online)
didnt know she had a command grab lol
Actually as lei Lei she can be grabbed out of her golden armor by Spencer bionic grab and Spider-Man's web throws
I didn't even know this character was in the game
i ain’t gonna lie, i forget Hsien-Ko is even in this game
She move too slow but she got those power, she's just too underrated
I had a gimmick team with her. She bled
she got nerfed REALLY REALLY hard if you compare her on her Darkstalkers era
I main iron fist and i stil beat vergils and zeros 💀
She's secretly the best girl of Darkstalkers too~!💜💛💙💛💜
I would never have thunk that Hsien-Ko was the worst, but I probably just don't play at a high enough level. Still my main tho
It's sad to see her low or mid tier on most of the games she's been in. Only in gem fighter she is god tier
My boy Ari goes down as the greatest HsienKo. Wesker Task HsienKo
He's beaten Marvelo, Flux, AsianDemon to name a few.
Those are some monster names to beat!! I'll have to check him out
@@PapaLobster just for some context on how good Ari was.... AsianDemon was Tampa's best umvc3.
Ari was hands down Orlando's best umvc3 player. At the time he was also ahead of Dr.Salt & Mundank.
Bacl then there were 3 Florida players you can bet your lofe to make it out of pools.
Flocker
Tong Lee
And Ari.
Ari was one of those underground, mythical, marvel.
The way BUM was in NewYork (before people knew who he was)
BucketHead was to Houston
Zacka was to SoCal
Sami was to Atlanta
Ari was that to us in Orlando.
@@JaeBee1718 damn I haven't seen bucket in a hot minute. Dude was a blast to watch running sets.
@@huuuuuumpy he was a beast. I finally had a chance to run a long set with him the last locals at Insomnia before they closed down. Dude was insane, My Hulk won the point war like 3 times, that's it.
I always regret liking iron fist so much, he's one of the only characters I enjoy playing but he's not too good and I still don't even know teammates to go with him lmao
To be honest, this does make me appriciate Hesin Ko more. Even though it's a huge sign she's the worst character in UMVC3, she does have alot of potientals as a support
Cool video! Thanks
great video but title is wrong, that's Roll in Marvel 2
When I played UMVC3 regularly, there was ONE Hsien-Ko player, and that person had it on LOCK DOWN.
Part of what made UMVC3 cool was there were enough options to make every character viable, and the roster was pretty diverse.
Part of what made UMVC3 not fun to play was that any 3-character team could one-touch-kill. It is not fun at all to lose on an incoming crossup and know that you can just set the controller down because that character is 100% dead and there's nothing you can do about it.
She is pretty fun.
Man I really enjoyed playing her even if she was really bad
I wish they put in Jon Talbain instead.
I was hoping you covered LLND tho
Can someone break down why she is worse than Iron Fist? Just can't get over his god awful launch lul
"Vergil Xfactor 3"
Cursed words.
Iron fist breakdown next!!!
She should have never replaced BB Hood and Anakaris
This guys videos is beyond elite
LLND was one of my favorite players to watch for such a unique team comp
Mommy Morrigan S!
How bad is she? I forgot she was in the game until I saw the title card.
she's the entire reason I didn't play marvel 3. When I figured out how trash she was, I just quit the game. She is my fav Vampire character and they reduced her to ass. Her only redeeming quality is Rimoukon with Pendulum assist
I run her as my mid, sandwiched between CHun and Dante, no I just need to learn how to do combos in mvc3
Ah. This must be why my friend always kicked my ass.
Definitely not a skill issue on my part.
Top 64 at evo btw
Switched to zero after though
Fixed that title
Short Answer? Took away her speed and dmg from Darkstalkers 3. You can't be this slow and doing this piss poor dmg. Pick a struggle.
How can people say she's ass when phoenix wright is wright there pun intended anyway people can be ass when they say hsien-ko is bad i love her moveset there for she a great pick to me my team would be ryu,morrigan and hsien-ko
definitely not bottom one, but it's true that she isn't worth it lolol
She actually has a meter limited infinite off any hard knockdown, gong into weightdroo, so she can be deadly.
If she could plink dash her invisible teleport dash, it would be good but she's still slow. I saw someone say she can, never seen it used though.
Still not great
THEY NERF MY GIRL THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCESSS!!!
Go over Pz bodying Frankie G in ray’s coliseum
Gameplay aside, *WOULD*
damn i didn't even know this game existed
Isn’t hsien-ko better than she hulk and Jill
Maybe She Hulk, but Jill is saved by her level 1 super and absurd mixups. CorkyJay put in work with that character.
Only saving grace of She Hulk is she has both ground and air command grab supers, so sometimes you just lose to her. Health also I guess.
@@JumbaJumby I mean this is from pros
i hope tabs puts Sigma in that spot
Wait....She has a COMMAND GRAB?!? lol
Placing Wright is trash tier? Dafuq
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Worse than Roll Tier?
Nah but that's simply due to her armored assist.
God fucking Dammit Infinite, Why couldn't you just be a different version of 3?