The young fellas all laugh at Peggy not being considered attractive, but the older fellas all rebuff it by comparing her to Irene Dunne. That was a class act by the standards of the day.
Pfft a class act to say "yeah we could sort of manage to fap to you" - ah man I'm so glad her character grows into what she does, success is the best revenge!
@@dschoenewald7320 Considered one of the best actresses in The Golden Age of Hollywood, she was nominated 5 times, but never won. Sultry looks like other women of her time.
01:41 I liked Sal's comment , "You're more classical , Hellenic." with sincere appreciation of her beauty. He pictures her riding a palanquin through the dusty streets of Troy.
@@Alextrovert Because it's showing Peggy watching their sexism on the outside now. She's no longer part of the secretary crowd, but she's still familiar with that position. Inherently it's going to be different for her than the men. Especially since the men didn't get boxed in as easily for their looks (inside and outside their office). The Irene Dunn comment was sweet but outdated and probably not something Peggy would find that much comfort in. Like many earlier Peggy scenes this was about her navigating the balance of being in this field of work by herself.
@@hollytree3379 You comment is not really accurate. You seem to argue that it's sexism to compare woman to two styles of women of that time, and it is that way because men weren't boxed in by looks. But what you seem to forget is that men were qualified by their monetary power, and still are to be honest. Is this sexism too? The different evaluation the opposite sex does is sexism? Let's be honest. The concept of "sexism" has been stretched to a point were you can classify anything that can be considered "negative" done by a man to a woman as sexism.
The way the older cats, especially Don, complimented Peggy-that's what charm is: treating ppl kindly, letting them know you care. So simple yet so under appreciated.
Well, Sal didn't say she looked like a Greek goddess. He said she looked "Hellenic," which is an adjective one uses more for buildings or vases than women. So that's a few steps below goddess. But it was tactful--who wouldn't want to be compared to classical columns and urns? LOL.
Exactly. Joan is the embodiment of both women. That's why they had her walk across the room in that scene. There are many Marilyns and Jackies, but there's only one Joan.
Except for that part where she had sex with that greasy fat guy from Jaguar so she can move up the ladder. I doubt Jackie Kennedy would have done that. Marilyn would, I bet.
Superb scene. Moss is a fantastic actress. That shot when the camera points back into Don's office after the 'presentation'. She owned that scene without saying anything for most of it.
The great thing about this is that Don's two wives could be described as a Marilyn and a Jackie - but in reverse. Betty is a Jackie and Megan is a brunette Marilyn. Don is an inverted individual so therefore so is his taste in spouses. Always against the grain, even in intimacy.
No, Betty's a Grace Kelly and Megan's a Raquel Welch. Both symbolize the ideal woman of their respective eras. Which is why both marriages end alongside the cultural end of their eras.
I think it's deeper than that. As Don said, there are two sides to every woman. I think both Betty started out as a Marilyn, and outgoing attractive model but later became a domesticated Jackie. Where as Megan started out as a Marilyn, but then decided to pursue life as an actress and become a Jackie.
the irony is the men who laugh at Peggy being unattractive i.e. Kinsey and Kenny both had made a pass at (well, sexually harassed, but they wouldn't see it that way) Peggy when she was new in the office - its essentially sour grapes. the ones who don't laugh at and rebuff the "peggy is unattractive" joke all never once crossed that line with her, though they had greater opportunity and power over Peggy (Don because he's her direct superior and Freddy because he was her mentor). i think this was completely intentional, and part of the commentary around sexual politics and objectification of women in this episode.
Yeah Peggy was the first to immediately and casually make that observation to Don when the news broke and he was impressed that that was her first thought instead of huddling around the radio crying like the other women.
Cry harder, men say far worse to each other all day every day. Want to be treated the same or cuddled by the patriarchy? Which is it? Society is clearly hating on gentlemen like Sal.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Only pretty or attractive women are cuddled by patriarchy....for average looking women like peggy its a loss either ways....not vute enuf to be patronized nor man enuf to get business by going to bar after hours
If the BBC had done this, Peggy would have got up on a soap box to make a powerful speech about sexism. This is so much more like real life - we feel uncomfortable, occassionally make mild objections, but most of the time we just put up with stuff.
Peggy got better looking. Granted the show made Elisabeth Moss frumpy the first few seasons. Meanwhile the guys all look so much older at the end. There are two outfits of hers I like from the early years. First is the black and white checker dress. Second is the sexy blue cocktail dress. Her wardrobe after her makeover is all fabulous.
The one time Kinsey had a decent idea...you can see the disappointment when the client doesn’t want it. It would have been a great campaign in his portfolio.
@@ghfudrs93uuu no, it didn’t fall through because ultimately the bra company thought they didn’t really want something that ambitious. Marylin died later that season, and someone commented that if it had fallen through they would’ve needed to pull it. Double bad luck for Kinsey.
Copywriters could and did put campaigns that didn't pan out in their portfolio all the time. If the art/photography has already been made for the copy, even better. The copy that Don snuck into the package for the fur coat that Roger bought Joan had copy that Don had made up that had never gone to print because Don was still just working at the fur store. Same for Jane's cousin with his dozen "X, cure for the common Y" pages in the portfolio.
@@francescotamburini5790 That was Peggy who said that. It was a great character moment for her. All the secretaries were standing around sobbing about Marilyn, but Peggy's first thought? Business.
Peggy is a Betty as in Betty from The Archies. And Betty is a young Jackie on the cusp of blossoming into her womanhood- ditto for Veronica as a young Marilyn.
Well, I believe it was a man who invented then (Howard Hughes to be exact) as he was concerned about them getting damaged during car rides and stuff. But your point is well taken
How about wondering: "Who are the consumers who actually purchase bras and why are they picking one brand over others?" Having men writing bra advertising for the approval of other men is a bad idea.
I don't imagine all women wear one for comfort. Otherwise there wouldn't be a market for special ones that shape the mound of fat into something socially pleasing--and cost many times more. Do men wear something structural to carry their pot belly?
Albert Gaspar Bras are not made for comfort, they’re supposed to be a tad uncomfortable. And, if we, women, have to wear one, it might as well wear one that’s pretty. Also, there are girdles for men, they’re made in the shape of a tank top. Men could wear one if they wanted
@@misssmisssymaria so why do you think they are "supposed" to be uncomfortable? I understand cheap garments made for price rather than comfort, but good products should be as comfortable as possible. I do agree, many clothes choices are for vanity. There is an old saying that a man walks into a bar and searches for the most beautiful woman to flirt with. When a woman walks into a bar, she too looks for the most beautiful woman--to see her competition. Of course, not everyone is looking for attention. Men do have girdle options. They are typically used for vanity or for support of bad backs. A walk thru any crowd can spot the amount of men not bothering to wear one, for either reason.
Sorry to break that bubble but a lot of AD men have called bs in this representation of the show. Stop romanticizing dumb things that never existed in the first place. Have a nice day.
The protagonist of LA Noire was an animated version of Aaron Staton, the guy who plays Ken Cosgrove in Mad Men. He's the one who says Peggy looks like Gertrude Stein. There are lots of guest appearances from others in the Mad Men cast as well.
Sal, Freddy and Don were good sports for immediately rebuffing the insult of Kenny and Paul by comparing her to Irene Dunne, she actually looks a bit like her imo.
lol i think the joke might have another layer. Gertrude stein hosted salons full of leading creative men like Piccasso and matisse. In this scene Peggy is hosting a bunch of advertising creatives and Ken Cosgrove does understand art as shown by the rothko episode
Elisabeth Moss is extremely beautiful, and it's to the hair and makeup people's credit that they managed to make Peggy look so frumpy those first couple of seasons. From around season three on, when she lost the ridiculous ponytail and started to dress in a more fashionable clothes, Peggy became much more attractive.
Peggy threatens the male dominated office. The boys didn't know how to address her taking on the role of a man other than to insult her. Which is what guys do to their friends. But it's a strange mix of the two roles. Do you treat female co-workers like you treat your girlfriends or do you treat them like your buddies? The same can be said in today's office.
man the first 3 seasons were amazing, well written and every scene is perfectly executed. S4 was very good and S5,6,7 were okay but sloppy writing wise.
Freddie's tap on Peggy's hip with the file foler was the equivalent to a smack on the ass. if any guy did that today in the office it would be considered sexual harassment. disgusting.
It's totally appropriate, depending on the situation (like almost everything). The same rules apply to calling a guy "sweetheart" if you're a woman, or a gay guy, or a trans, or whatever. Did you read the situation correctly and determine that the person you intend to call "sweetheart" is going to be cool with it? If yes, then totally do it. If not, well, obviously don't. Not sure? Don't. Wait, are you tempted to whine about it being unfair that you're unsure? Shut up. Just don't if so. This is easy and should not require instruction.
Women should understand inappropriate comments are a double standard. Women can get away with them far easier today than men. Once, in a conference room, two female colleagues suggested I be the meat in the sandwich. Everyone heard it and no one said or did anything. I found it highly inappropriate for the workplace and if the tables were reversed, I would have been shitcanned.
The unfortunate reality is that women complain more, and they are also in male dominated workplaces more often. We have to start holding women accountable for posterity’s sake if nothing else. This isn’t to say that they won’t just write off or deny the comments they made about you or another man tomorrow.
The young fellas all laugh at Peggy not being considered attractive, but the older fellas all rebuff it by comparing her to Irene Dunne. That was a class act by the standards of the day.
Campbell also thought she was attractive lol.
Peggy's attractive, although I preferred her in the early part of the series. Nice petite body.
Pfft a class act to say "yeah we could sort of manage to fap to you" - ah man I'm so glad her character grows into what she does, success is the best revenge!
Who the fuck is Irene Dunn?
@@dschoenewald7320 Considered one of the best actresses in The Golden Age of Hollywood, she was nominated 5 times, but never won. Sultry looks like other women of her time.
"Marilyn's really a Joan not the other way around."
Ain't that the truth.
Take Joan over Marilyn any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
@@shrapnel77 then you are a fool
Joan's a Jayne Mansfield
Says someone too young to remember Marilyn.
@@kiwibob223 I dunno about that. Joan, ah, she's got "more" to her. Literally. Wider & thicker on both top & bottom.
01:41 I liked Sal's comment , "You're more classical , Hellenic." with sincere appreciation of her beauty. He pictures her riding a palanquin through the dusty streets of Troy.
He also pictures himself riding Kenny through the dusty streets of Troy!
@@Pww642who's Hellenic ? Helen ?
@@-chenlanying5818 Hellenic as in of that period in ancient Greece
@@Pww642love this 😂😂😂
Salvatore understands what it's like to be an outsider. That's why he's kinder to Peggy.
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you know im not too sure, do i?
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She sounded exactly like my trucks Robot Ford Lady voice who every few weeks asks, "Would you like to run a vehicle health check."
i fucking spent a whole 2 minutes trying to figure out where that sound came from LOL
The way Freddy says, "ah...I love Irene Dunne" and then gives Peggy the reassuring nod which makes Peggy smile. I love this scene.
I do, too. That’s my fave part of this awesome scene
I love how Peggy looks when she's proved her point. They went on and on about this concept but then immediately afterwards couldn't apply it to her
"Proved a point," in your mind... lmao
She's a Jackie
AManFrom Porlock very true. They sell a lie. It’s their job. And if you think you fall into their category more the fool you.
A woman who didn't get the point... why do you have to enforce such a bad stereotype?
@@xandercorp6175 go fuck yourself
I love how the men with class don't try to bring Peggy down, but find someone lovely to compare her to.
These men break each other's balls all the time. Wouldn't it be more sexist to NOT make fun of Peggy because she's a woman?
@@Alextrovert
You’re both right
@@Alextrovert Because it's showing Peggy watching their sexism on the outside now. She's no longer part of the secretary crowd, but she's still familiar with that position. Inherently it's going to be different for her than the men. Especially since the men didn't get boxed in as easily for their looks (inside and outside their office). The Irene Dunn comment was sweet but outdated and probably not something Peggy would find that much comfort in. Like many earlier Peggy scenes this was about her navigating the balance of being in this field of work by herself.
@@hollytree3379 It's telling that the best comment in the thread has the least amount of praise.
@@hollytree3379 You comment is not really accurate. You seem to argue that it's sexism to compare woman to two styles of women of that time, and it is that way because men weren't boxed in by looks. But what you seem to forget is that men were qualified by their monetary power, and still are to be honest. Is this sexism too? The different evaluation the opposite sex does is sexism?
Let's be honest. The concept of "sexism" has been stretched to a point were you can classify anything that can be considered "negative" done by a man to a woman as sexism.
The way the older cats, especially Don, complimented Peggy-that's what charm is: treating ppl kindly, letting them know you care.
So simple yet so under appreciated.
That look Salvatore gives Ken when he compares Peggy to Stein. Then his follow up saying she looks like a Greek goddess.
That's because Sal was a gentleman, regardless of who he liked to put his piece in.
Well, Sal didn't say she looked like a Greek goddess. He said she looked "Hellenic," which is an adjective one uses more for buildings or vases than women. So that's a few steps below goddess. But it was tactful--who wouldn't want to be compared to classical columns and urns? LOL.
Joan is a jackie in the body of a marilyn
Exactly. Joan is the embodiment of both women. That's why they had her walk across the room in that scene. There are many Marilyns and Jackies, but there's only one Joan.
Except for that part where she had sex with that greasy fat guy from Jaguar so she can move up the ladder. I doubt Jackie Kennedy would have done that. Marilyn would, I bet.
@@Morbutt Don't kid yourself. You think Jackie married Aristotle Onassis for his philosophy? No, she had a lifestyle to support.
Joan is her own beast. She's even better than both of them.
Jackie was very much a gold digger although she may have not looked like one
Chauncey... never forget. :'(
Poor boy , that was unforgivable.
What happened? I dont remember?
@@thevideocommenter3061 duck took him out the front of the building, took his leash off him and told him to leave.
@@b.k1054 thanks i remember now
I cried😭
Superb scene. Moss is a fantastic actress. That shot when the camera points back into Don's office after the 'presentation'. She owned that scene without saying anything for most of it.
2:42 I like the deliberate shot of Jane surprised at hearing a women colleague calling Freddie out by his first name like that.
Good call.
Staying the obvious but bloody hell, the actress that played Joan was stunning
Christina Hendricks
not only super curvy and sexy, but beautiful as well. A great combo.
Salvatore Romano was such a classy guy
The great thing about this is that Don's two wives could be described as a Marilyn and a Jackie - but in reverse. Betty is a Jackie and Megan is a brunette Marilyn. Don is an inverted individual so therefore so is his taste in spouses. Always against the grain, even in intimacy.
No, Betty's a Grace Kelly and Megan's a Raquel Welch. Both symbolize the ideal woman of their respective eras. Which is why both marriages end alongside the cultural end of their eras.
I had Megan as a Jackie. She is French
Betty is Doris Day
@@kentuckyfriedchildren5385 Ding ding ding!
I think it's deeper than that. As Don said, there are two sides to every woman. I think both Betty started out as a Marilyn, and outgoing attractive model but later became a domesticated Jackie. Where as Megan started out as a Marilyn, but then decided to pursue life as an actress and become a Jackie.
True, Jackie/Marilyn isn’t just about appearance. It’s mostly a question of character and behavior.
[men laugh]- could have been Mad Men's title.
Thats why its called "Mad Men" lol what would they do 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the irony is the men who laugh at Peggy being unattractive i.e. Kinsey and Kenny both had made a pass at (well, sexually harassed, but they wouldn't see it that way) Peggy when she was new in the office - its essentially sour grapes. the ones who don't laugh at and rebuff the "peggy is unattractive" joke all never once crossed that line with her, though they had greater opportunity and power over Peggy (Don because he's her direct superior and Freddy because he was her mentor). i think this was completely intentional, and part of the commentary around sexual politics and objectification of women in this episode.
What, that there was none?
showing interest is harrassment. ok. you do realise most relationships back then began in the workplace. what are men supposed to do?
To be fair, men will hit on anything with a pulse including the married or minors 😂😂😂
Peggy: "Which do you think I am?" Ken: "Gertrude Stein" ROFLMAO.
lol mean af but i laughed
actually it's a huge compliment! even though it wasn't ment like that. 💕
Ken was rebuffed by Peggy. He might have wanted to get her back with this nasty jab.
Funniest line in the scene, I laughed out loud. Also a compliment in its way.
I had to google her...when i saw her picture...I was like oh ok...that's messed up...lol
The robot voice at 0:18 fucking scared me.
Thought for a minute I had another tab opened ... LOL
The dialog is incredible.
I love the episode a few months later when Marilyn dies and they're just like "Thank God Playtex didn't want to run that campaign."
Yeah Peggy was the first to immediately and casually make that observation to Don when the news broke and he was impressed that that was her first thought instead of huddling around the radio crying like the other women.
"What do women want?"
"Who cares."
J Shepard 😡😡😡
@Frank Whitewater lmao I bet you get all the ladies ahaha
Good advice there
Bless Roger Sterling and all his insight 🙏
You know how we call a woman who has orgasms with a partner?
A lesbian ;D
Who cares about men lmao
sal is so sweet, he tried to save peggy’s feelings but there was no saving that
Cry harder, men say far worse to each other all day every day. Want to be treated the same or cuddled by the patriarchy? Which is it? Society is clearly hating on gentlemen like Sal.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 one day your incel bubble will break and you'll realise you have said some truly stupid shit
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Only pretty or attractive women are cuddled by patriarchy....for average looking women like peggy its a loss either ways....not vute enuf to be patronized nor man enuf to get business by going to bar after hours
yeah, because it's all about feelings. peggy asked for an opinion, she got it. men don't owe you feelings.
If the BBC had done this, Peggy would have got up on a soap box to make a powerful speech about sexism.
This is so much more like real life - we feel uncomfortable, occassionally make mild objections, but most of the time we just put up with stuff.
She doesn't put up with it in the end. They had Peggy command respect not with her words, but with her actions.,
RandomPlayIist Which is so much better
Quit your bitching, dude
you couldn't really say anything as a women back then?your point is totally useless
It's cute the way you say "We" as though you speak for the masses.
3:04 He has a video file.... Decides to record his screen.
The way Paul says "Vanilla and Cherry" is so creepy.
Peggy got better looking. Granted the show made Elisabeth Moss frumpy the first few seasons. Meanwhile the guys all look so much older at the end. There are two outfits of hers I like from the early years. First is the black and white checker dress. Second is the sexy blue cocktail dress. Her wardrobe after her makeover is all fabulous.
That tap on the butt at the end is hilarious to me in 2023.
Still happens in 2023...almost exactly like this, with a file folder and everything 🫥
@@EyesForYou21 At least women in the work place have more protections to report incidents.
@@ishdenzel true
Peggy just got a taste of the good 'ol boys club
@Robert Hall lmao, that's for sure
She gets that all day every day. Disgusting
i.e.presents She’s working in a male dominated field, they’re constantly going to remind her that she doesn’t belong there. That’s how it still is.
@@misssmisssymaria really? In my experience women get special treatment in male dominated work places now.
@@RevanBC Truth
Aww! Chauncey! I hated Duck for putting his dog out on the street, and I hated Peggy even more for sleeping with him
Think I missed the episode where Peggy sleeps with Chauncey
@@andyboreland lmfao
I like to believe that Chauncey knew somebody at the building that led him to safety. Good dog!
Piece of work.cruel to his dog
From the dog abandonment moment on, duck has made my skin crawl.
The one time Kinsey had a decent idea...you can see the disappointment when the client doesn’t want it. It would have been a great campaign in his portfolio.
Wasn't the problem Marilyn's death?
@@ghfudrs93uuu no, it didn’t fall through because ultimately the bra company thought they didn’t really want something that ambitious. Marylin died later that season, and someone commented that if it had fallen through they would’ve needed to pull it. Double bad luck for Kinsey.
Copywriters could and did put campaigns that didn't pan out in their portfolio all the time. If the art/photography has already been made for the copy, even better. The copy that Don snuck into the package for the fur coat that Roger bought Joan had copy that Don had made up that had never gone to print because Don was still just working at the fur store. Same for Jane's cousin with his dozen "X, cure for the common Y" pages in the portfolio.
@@francescotamburini5790 That was Peggy who said that. It was a great character moment for her. All the secretaries were standing around sobbing about Marilyn, but Peggy's first thought? Business.
@@roxymacdonald8349 dead on
Peggy is a Betty as in Betty from The Archies. And Betty is a young Jackie on the cusp of blossoming into her womanhood- ditto for Veronica as a young Marilyn.
Anyone remember Jane Russell doing the Playtex 18 Hour Bra ads?
Love Paul Kinsey saying bras are for men. It's not like women spend at least 12 hours (sometimes more) wearing them. XD
Well, I believe it was a man who invented then (Howard Hughes to be exact) as he was concerned about them getting damaged during car rides and stuff. But your point is well taken
How about wondering: "Who are the consumers who actually purchase bras and why are they picking one brand over others?" Having men writing bra advertising for the approval of other men is a bad idea.
Chauncy! No wonder I couldn't remember this episode. I refuse to rewatch it.
That siri voice freaked me out, I didn’t expect that haha
Man all the mens suits are so immaculate!
“Marilyn’s really a Joan.”
Brilliant breezy dialogue
The actress for joan is crazy thick
Kinsey's finest hour
More like Kinsey's finest minute.
- discretely googles -
Aw, that's sweet of you Don.
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u sure?
Freddy: Now go write me some titillating copy.
:D
Ken had some a-hole qualities early in the series. He grew on me, and became friends with Peggy, later on. Loved this show!
The blond woman with the light blue skirt and blue and white top was hot. That and the fact she wears glasses leaves a lot
to the imagination .
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Probably the best idea Kinsey had at Sterling Cooper.
Salvatore’s been taking new heart medication.
Chauncey was the name of my first dog
That is one stacked redhead❤️
Peggy is like Gertrude Stein...
Both are masters at their craft
Bras are for men are you serious? hahahha anyway love the show.
I don't imagine all women wear one for comfort. Otherwise there wouldn't be a market for special ones that shape the mound of fat into something socially pleasing--and cost many times more. Do men wear something structural to carry their pot belly?
Albert Gaspar Bras are not made for comfort, they’re supposed to be a tad uncomfortable. And, if we, women, have to wear one, it might as well wear one that’s pretty. Also, there are girdles for men, they’re made in the shape of a tank top. Men could wear one if they wanted
@@misssmisssymaria so why do you think they are "supposed" to be uncomfortable? I understand cheap garments made for price rather than comfort, but good products should be as comfortable as possible.
I do agree, many clothes choices are for vanity. There is an old saying that a man walks into a bar and searches for the most beautiful woman to flirt with. When a woman walks into a bar, she too looks for the most beautiful woman--to see her competition. Of course, not everyone is looking for attention.
Men do have girdle options. They are typically used for vanity or for support of bad backs. A walk thru any crowd can spot the amount of men not bothering to wear one, for either reason.
All is about them, apparently, even products that only women use 🤣🤣
Of course they are. Lipstick is also for men.... it's a women's way of sending a subconscious signal to the male
I really like to imagine that Ken rescue Chauncey. He sure as hell liked dog more than Duck.
Marilyn Monroe doesn't have SHIT on Christina Hendricks.
I find it interesting how self destructive and tragic both those women turned out to be.
Jackie did ok
@@larapalma3744but it ruined her dress!
casual sexism and acceptable alcoholism in the workplace...ahhh what a time that must have been
Fuck I wish alcohol was still allowed in the workplace. The sexism would be fine to do without though.
@@ckatm397 And smoking all day.
The good old days, pal. But then the PC era came by, oh and also AIDS, but that' another story...
Sorry to break that bubble but a lot of AD men have called bs in this representation of the show. Stop romanticizing dumb things that never existed in the first place. Have a nice day.
Most of the guys say " Let it be me !"
What a lovely stroll down mammary lane!
I'd take this season's Peggy over any other woman in that office, well Joan is something else but yeah, Peggy.
Why do I get the feeling that I see two of the faces in L.a.noire
There’s like 20 people from LA Noire across the different seasons of Mad Men.
The protagonist of LA Noire was an animated version of Aaron Staton, the guy who plays Ken Cosgrove in Mad Men. He's the one who says Peggy looks like Gertrude Stein. There are lots of guest appearances from others in the Mad Men cast as well.
Ken is the X for doubt guy lol
Hey look. It's the Bra guys. Except for Don Draper.
Peggy understated sexiness😍
We’re laying track. I think you can bring the train in tomorrow.
Sal, Freddy and Don were good sports for immediately rebuffing the insult of Kenny and Paul by comparing her to Irene Dunne, she actually looks a bit like her imo.
I just looked up a picture of Gertrude Stein. Fuckin' hell, Phelps, you're a riot when you're not saving lives in 1940s LA.
LOL
She looks like a dude. Peggy isn't a looker, but even she doesn't deserve that!
lol i think the joke might have another layer.
Gertrude stein hosted salons full of leading creative men like Piccasso and matisse.
In this scene Peggy is hosting a bunch of advertising creatives and Ken Cosgrove does understand art as shown by the rothko episode
Elisabeth Moss is extremely beautiful, and it's to the hair and makeup people's credit that they managed to make Peggy look so frumpy those first couple of seasons. From around season three on, when she lost the ridiculous ponytail and started to dress in a more fashionable clothes, Peggy became much more attractive.
Gertrude Stein lmao
Why is Detective Cole Phelps in there?
3:20. Fred The Shed
Peggy threatens the male dominated office. The boys didn't know how to address her taking on the role of a man other than to insult her. Which is what guys do to their friends. But it's a strange mix of the two roles. Do you treat female co-workers like you treat your girlfriends or do you treat them like your buddies? The same can be said in today's office.
Whichever enables you to see me as more of a person/colleague works best for me. I'd go with buddy :)
I treat my female co-workers like a co-worker.
Those ladies man holy
Can we please bring this workplace dynamic back????
man the first 3 seasons were amazing, well written and every scene is perfectly executed. S4 was very good and S5,6,7 were okay but sloppy writing wise.
Freddy was the best.
What episode is this
Jane is a Jackie? Riiight
At work, yea, out of work? Hell nah
Freddie's tap on Peggy's hip with the file foler was the equivalent to a smack on the ass.
if any guy did that today in the office it would be considered sexual harassment. disgusting.
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That handmaid lady pisses the fuck out me. Shit tv series that is, had to bear with it through two seasons.
gertrude stein hahah. golden
Times have changed folks. 😈.
Too bad
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Love it how those macho wankers are suddenly oohing about the dog 😅
Was good to see Kinsey f**k up his life.. he really was an insufferable arsehole
"Bras are for men." That's kind of what Victoria's Secret thought. And now, finally, women are turning away from that brand.
Whose Joa?
Peyton❤
In America, is it still appropriate to call female colleagues 'sweetheart'? Or was it a 60s thing?
Sambit Mukherjee Its diminutive.
Nothing's wrong with that
Sambit Mukherjee you can't call a woman anything but strong, independent and heroic
Only if you're 100% certain that the woman in question is cool with it. Best avoided, though.
It's totally appropriate, depending on the situation (like almost everything). The same rules apply to calling a guy "sweetheart" if you're a woman, or a gay guy, or a trans, or whatever. Did you read the situation correctly and determine that the person you intend to call "sweetheart" is going to be cool with it? If yes, then totally do it. If not, well, obviously don't. Not sure? Don't. Wait, are you tempted to whine about it being unfair that you're unsure? Shut up. Just don't if so. This is easy and should not require instruction.
[men laugh]
1:37 Gertrude Stein
Women are easy to market to, just look at the Stanley cup
Excited to see your portfolio of successful products. Pointing to something after it goes viral is easy. Calling the shot beforehand is the hard part.
Women should understand inappropriate comments are a double standard. Women can get away with them far easier today than men. Once, in a conference room, two female colleagues suggested I be the meat in the sandwich. Everyone heard it and no one said or did anything. I found it highly inappropriate for the workplace and if the tables were reversed, I would have been shitcanned.
The unfortunate reality is that women complain more, and they are also in male dominated workplaces more often. We have to start holding women accountable for posterity’s sake if nothing else.
This isn’t to say that they won’t just write off or deny the comments they made about you or another man tomorrow.
Have you heard how men talk about women ? Meat in the sandwich is nothing compared to the disgusting shit men say about women.
HE IS SO DAMN HOT...
That poor dog
0:18 - lol wtf was that? you doing a live recording or something? Might wanna mute your smart speaker next time.
This work environment smells of metoo
He’s a twink.
He’s an ogre.
He’s a beanpole.
A bra campaign and you had a woman in the room but you didn't get her input? Cluelessness writ large.
That's basically the point of the scene
THAT'S THE POINT
She would have been the first person I asked for input, especially since the woman is the consumer.
60s were the 60s
FUCKING CHAUNCEY