5 or 6 SLR’s is a lot of SLR’s! It would be tough to replace that. Mirrorless takes getting used to. From a Canon point of view, as soon as I started using my Canon R I was hooked. All the image quality of my 5D4 plus more features and more fun to use. -Eric
Funny you say that, My buddy went full mirrorless bought into the dslrs are dead hype like me thousands in glass and bodies he sold it all for a body and a few lenses.. bragged to me like I was out of touch. I said dude its the like the film/dslr at all not close... hes very good so I said their in not an image you can take on that that i cant take on my D4,D500 or even my D600 now i have the 780 btw ... so we shot together for 3 days. we even did short video clips ..... now he was limited on glass so for video I actually out did him with my D500 as for images their was not 1 shot that either of our images stood above the other. so he lost two bodies and 5-8 lenses.... Neither of us shoot much video just weddings but even their i get zero complaints and his are no better .... I will never change i will buy the D6 im 48yo and should be fin for 5 years DSLRs are not dead
Thanks for the presentation. Curious about real life comparisons with both bodies in hand. For me, there are a couple of other advantages in favour of the DSLR format, on top of those you have listed: 1. Lag: all the mirrorless systems I have tried, including Z, suffer from power-on lag and wake-from-sleep lag. They also suffer from viewfinder lag (much less now than previous generations). When you use a DSLR, it is always ready to shoot: you lift it to your eye and you press the shutter, picture taken (or AF locked on). No need to turn off the camera when it is not in the bag as there will be no battery drain. When you use mirrorless, it needs to boot or wake-up, and that can take around 2 seconds. That is immensely frustrating in real life. When you look through the optical viewfinder of the DSLR, you see subjects in real time. When you look through an EVF, you get a very slightly delayed view of reality (a few nanoseconds I guess). That is enough to be irritating in continuous shooting situations. 2. Autofocus: despite tremendous progress in the mirrorless world, the module based AF system of a good DSLR will usually lock on the target faster and more reliably. It gets less easily distracted by backlit situations and does not randomly focus on background features. It also usually works better in very low light. Mirrorless AF is improving at each generation (Sony A9 is almost there), but I still much prefer a DSLR for fast moving subjects. The negatives for DSLR AF modules are the potential need for calibration fine tuning and the centre weighted distribution of AF points, even though, as they are, they work for "proper" composition. Nikon's 3D tracking function still is better, for me, than mirrorless gimmicks, including for tracking of a model's eye. All in all, the only useful thing missing in the new DSLRs is the IBIS function. If Pentax can do it, I really do not see why Nikon/Canon cannot.
I am curious also, I would love to get my hands on both of them at the same time. I have a feeling both of them I'm going to feel terrific and it really depends on what your needs are as a photographer. Also budget is going to be a concern because you may spend more on the d780 but the fact that you already have a bag full of f-mount lenses might make it a less expensive purchase than buying the z6 and trying to buy into the z line of lenses. I don't think I would have a problem switching from a DSLR to the z6 if it had a few of the features that I wanted. I have a feeling that the Canon has announced the R5 Nikon is going to have to up the game with the z6 in order to compete.
All excellent points. Well said. Ive shot Nikon for 13 years and have used the D850 and the Z7. I have a Z6 on order. A few things I would like to mention about mirrorless after using it for a while: 1. DSLRs seem to be overly heavy, clunky and yesterdays tech after shooting and getting comfortable with a Z camera. 2. The EVF takes a bit to get used to, but once you do and then shoot a DSLR it becomes evident that it is a huge advantage in many ways. 3. Auto Focus is getting better and better with mirrorless. It seems like its just about there now and will move ahead with the next iterations of firmware updates. 4. I believe the majority of time and effort by most camera companies will be put into the development/improvement of their mirrorless systems vs. DSLRs. 5. The S lenses in the Nikon system are better than their f-mount counterparts. Sharper and more advanced thanks to the huge difference of the mounts. 6. Elimination of the need to micro adjust lenses with AF Fine Tuning. This is something that is a real hindrance with DSLRs. 7. Size/weight difference is not realized until you go back to a DSLR and see how much easier it is to manage a mirrorless system. Just my opinions and of course I value yours and everyone else. Thanks for letting me chime in and regardless of the system we use, the important thing is to find one you enjoy and have fun shooting! Take care, Rick
Thanks for the input Rick. Everything you said makes total sense. Mirrorless is definitely the future of photography. I have yet to hear someone who has switched say they wish they had their DSLR back!
I enjoy my D780. A classic DSLR design that works the second you turn it on. Great battery life, comfortable in the hands, a great counterbalance with my lenses. I can focus on my photography rather than the camera, because everything is where it needs to be.
I would say primarily landscapes but I do get hired occasionally for portrait work. I found the d750 to be a very well-rounded camera. Now after using the z62 for a couple of months I'm glad I went mirrorless.
I didn't say it was necessarily better I like the form factor better. My images have not suffered at all. I like seeing a live exposure through the viewfinder. I don't know how the d780 is as far as ISO performance but the z62 is much better than my d750 was. That is probably just a product of the sensor so I imagine any camera that has that sensor would also perform that way. I think it's just the way technology is going.
I’m looking to upgrade from d7500 to either d780 or Z6. I was lucky to borrow a Z6 from a friend for a week. After 3 days i returned it. Reason: autofocus ok but slow for contineous mode especially bird photography. Second: I spent more time finding charging station than finding birds. What a nightmare that poor 350 photos per battery. Must admit the Election View finder was impressive. So why D780? To me the 780 is a photo camera that stole technology from Mirrorless to shoot nice video. Z6 to me is a video camera that can shoot photos as well. Bit blunt but the point stands
Via saving my pennies and buying used gear, I can say that I have done both !! I purchased a new Nikon D750 in 2016 and I still use the camera for both stills and video (I focus the D750 manually for video). In 2021, I purchased a good-quality , used D780. This is a great step-forward from the D750 for both focusing and video. Meanwhile, this year (2022) I have purchased a good-quality used Nikon Z6ii, with the dual card slots. This is a further step-forward for both focusing and video. I have kept all-three cameras and I am still very happy with all of them !!
Been shooting a D850 for about 1 and half years. Bought my wife a Z6 because she wanted something that was small in the hands but had familiar controls to my 850. I didn't think I would ever find a camera I liked better than the 850, until I started using the Z. The EVF will always be the #1 reason the Z beats out an SLR. The ability to see exposure in real time is just a treat. Secondly, the mount. The Z mount is revolutionary. The lenses that Nikon will be able to produce because of this mount is awesome. They proved it with the 58mm .95 Noct. I have a combination of adapted F-mount and now have a few native Z mount primes. The native lenses are some of the sharpest I've see. Now to one of the least talked about benefits of the Z... IBIS. SLR cameras do not have IBIS, so in order to get image stabilization, it had to be in the lens, which would inherently make each lens more expensive. Now that the Z cams have it in body, the native lenses no longer need that technology, which makes them more affordable. Add up all the times you bought a lens with VC or VR (or whatever the manufacturer calls it), and that starts to cost real $$. Anyway, I'm rambling. I sold my 850 after a few weeks with my wifes Z6. I went out and bought a second for myself and have no regrets doing so. Oh, and by the way, I have an M50 also. Great little video camera that balances well on an Zhiyun Crane. Cheers!
Thanks for all of that info. It's great to hear from actual users. I think I would love the z6 also I'm really starting to consider it. Everybody that has it seems to love it and people that have gone from a DSLR really seem to like it! do you think I could get away doing video with only the z6 and getting rid of my M50?
Thanks for the video. I've been researching cameras to switch from my Nikon D7200, that I've been shooting with for 5 years or so, and was leaning towards the Z6. That was before the D780 announcement. I like the idea of the 750/780 but love the ability for faster FPS and low light photography for sports and concerts. Despite the one (expensive) card slot, I am still leaning towards the Z6. We shall see. Hopefully 2020 is the year I upgrade ha ha. Enjoy the lack of snow upstate. You're going to get some cold and snow this weekend if you are up there then.
@@BillEricPhotography That stinks, there's always the vineyards or waterfalls with heavy rainfall will flow nicely. Just things look murky when no leaves or snow. Guess good time for B&W
I'm still thinking of upgrading myself to fullframe...the dilemma - D780 or Z6. Bought Z50 a month ago....good camera with is smaller and lighter...but its struggling a bit to attain sharpness.
I'm a photographer as well as a videographer. The Z6 looks great, but I am not sure about the EVF. When photographing, I mainly shoot action (running dogs) and I'm afraid the EVF has a lag compared to an optical viewfinder of a DSLR. So the D780 seems to be better for my purpose as it combines the best of both worlds. But it lacks the in-body-stabilization. Really not sure which one to pick ...
You sound exactly like me! I am in the exact same position I prefer a lot of things about the d780 but I like the new technology and the stabilization of the z6. I think I'm going to wait and see what they come out with next.
Great review. Perhaps you missed a couple of things. Pros: D780, longer battery life in still mode (non-liveview). Faster fps at 12 fps in electronic mode. Could be better for wildlife and birding photographers and sports. Z6 main advantage is smaller size of body and lenses due to IBIS on sensor therefore no need for VR on Z lenses so lighter lenses. Pro of D780 moving from another Nikon DSLR, keep using your FX lenses without an adaptor which Z6 needs for using FX lenses. Lots of exterior buttons on D780 for quick access changes in functions, I think more than the Z6, but I did not do a full comparison. That should be it. Right now pricing of a new D780 and new Z6ii is about the same in Canada for a body. Both bodies have sensor shift focusing for focus stacking (missing on D750). Did you get the D780?
It’s a great camera, and we hear from so many people who are switching to mirrorless. It’s definitely going to be interesting to see how the mirrorless vs dslr lines develop over the next year or so.
I've just swapped one of my old D750's for a Z6 with firmware 3.21. It's a refreshing change to use a lighter body and the amazing focus system. The in camera 5 axis stabilisation really helps keep things sharp. Sure the battery performance is a shocker but that's to be expected. The D780 is probably the best SLR Nikon ever made but I can't help thinking they're a thing of the past now. I paid £999 for my Z6 with less than 2000 clicks so it was a no brainer for me.
Cool video, I can agree on most things, but you are not talking abut couple of really important things. Due to the different autofocus technology, The Z6 does not have the AFC-"3D" feature you got in nikon 750 (and similar camera series, its called 3D in those cameraas even if its just a focus tracking). To use an AF-C feature (to pick a point and make the AF follow the point) on the Z6 you need to use the ok button on the back to set and reset the focus point the camera will have to follow, something not really good for shooting tbh, its super slow and you need to press 3 buttons every time you change a subject, also the focus point in AF-C is huge wich does not help if you shot with a very fast lens. Second huge difference, all the F lenses not really recent can only be used in manual focus on the Z6, this can be a problem in my opninion if you want to shot anything not stationary and you got some not so new lenses, as manual focus does not make sense in those situations.
Good points, I really don't use the 3D tracking too much but it is nice to have that. I guess these two cameras are going to appeal to different people for different reasons. I know for my purposes I just wish any Nikon camera would have a flip-out screen but they don't seem to be going that way. I'm hoping with the next round of mirrorless cameras that come out they at least add another card slot but even if they don't people seem to think the way it's set up and is fine. It is fun shopping and checking all of these new cameras out though!
This is a new one for me - your point about only manual focus on the Z6 for old lenses. I am trying to decide on the 780 vs Z6 right now. I have a Nikon 105mm that I want to use, and I might buy an F mount Nikon 28-300. Are you saying that neither of these lenses will auto-focus on the Z6? thanks in advance.
I bought my Z6 a week ago and so far love it. Still working on fine tuning the settings etc., but the images using the adapter and my F mount lenses have been sharp and no negative issues.
Disney Image Makers Check with Lens Rentals, I’m pretty sure they can rent you one for a small fee. I got mine at Imaging USA PPA Convention last week in Nashville. I have been at Lock & Dam 14 shooting Bald Eagles with it and having pretty good luck. Only down side is that it is way to warm for the eagles, so few subjects to test it’s capabilities. Am going to Coraville Dam where they are more plentiful this year, I am told.
Great video. I also have the D780 and it's my everyday body. I too wish Nikon would put a swivel touch screen on their full sensor bodies; there's so many advantages using/having one. They can use the concept from their D5500/D5600 lineup (which I owned at one point). The Z6 II/Z7 II are nice camera systems, but I would like to see what is on the lineup for 2022/2023 before I add a mirrorless body. Based on some of the specs, the Z6, Z6 II and D780 are almost the same camera systems.
Z series (today) can be mostly boiled down to Z mount lenses and EVF. No need for Z if happy with current F mount offerings and prefer shooting via optical viewfinder. The F mount line is complete, the Z mount is a work in progress with a fairly basic line up currently. New shooters seem to prefer the EVF because they're used to smart phone cameras, most videographers prefer them because they've been using them their entire careers, and some experienced photographers appreciate the advantages in workflow. From a technical standpoint, every Z mount lens is superior to its F mount counterpart, optically as well as in the focus motor system (more of a video advantage). Subjective tastes regarding rendering preferences aside, every subsequent Z mount lens will likely continue this trend. This isn't to say Nikon can't or won't release S Line clunkers in the future; they just wouldn't be able to sell units of something that was outperformed by an older, cheaper F mount equivalent due to FTZ adaptability. This is tied to the reduced image plane to rear lens element distance (flange back distance). This means lenses can be adapted to camera bodies/lens mounts with shorter flange back distances, but not vice versa. There is no simple adapter that will allow any Z mount lens function on any non Z camera body, Nikon or other, because the Z mount has the shortest flange back focusing distance at 18mm.
Thanks, great info there! The in-body stabilization and the autofocus for video are the things that are really attracted me to the Z6. I'm hoping with the next version of it they will add a second card slot like Canon seems to be doing with the r-line. I'm not going to hold my breath for the flip-out screen though that doesn't seem to be in the works.
I brought my d780 with a trade-in and rebate for $1,450. The high iso is so good that I can comfortably shoot up to 25000 iso and the noise is almost none existant. Even the little noise is plesant at 51000. Not worried about stabilization and most of my f mount lens have stabilization.
Sounds like it's perfect for you. I'm sure I would Love it also. Most of my lenses are stabilized also. Tough call for me. Check back after a few months and let us know how you like it!
Still using the D700 and D750. Other than eye focus, and real-time preview through the the electronic viewfinder, ML still doesn’t do anything my DSLRs don’t. And since the product of great images is more in the lens than the camera, technologically speaking, I see no reason to upgrade. When I do upgrade, Nikon probably won’t make DSLRs anymore and I’ll probably get the D780 at a steal.
The d780 is a nice compromise between both. I really wish the d750 had a touch screen in the back I've gotten used to using it on my mirrorless M50 and it really is very convenient. The in-body stabilization over the mirrorless is also a very nice feature. Not all of my lens have VR so that's something that I would like. I guess it depends on the application and what you plan on doing with it. Thanks for watching!
floex831 the mirrorless cameras have the HUGE advantage of “not having a mirror” . The advantages are on sensor phase detection autofocus . It solves so so many problems inherent to DSLRs. I have the d7000,d500,d810 and d850 . Z6 is my next camera for sure . No more focus shift , no more front and back focus issues. Or majorly reduced anyway.
@@troyphillips1077 If you calibrate each lens on the camera, your focus issues should be resolved. I learned on an old Nikon FG-20 35mm, which I still have, hence, MF is not an issue and I've never had issues with the AF on any of my DSLRs. What I should say is that I have been able to correct the minor issues with AF I have had, which for the record, have been far and few between. My point is that, IMO, other than the focusing advantage, and 100% silent shooting, ML still doesn't do anything my DSLRs don't. I mean what are the inherent horrible problems, that according to many, will end the world due to the mirror box? Is it flaw, of course it is but its not the prodigious detriment everyone tries to make it out to be. In the film days you had to account for shutter lag, AF was non existent, and updates to camera came once a decade. The ergonomics on a ML are atrocious, especially when using f/2.8 or faster glass as the size of the glass depends on the sensor and not the body. Hence, the desire, if not necessity for a camera like the D780 is real. I started photography in 1994 at the age of 14, I have never been big on gear, meaning I haven't paid attention to it and still don't, if it isn't obvious. I shot for a week with the Sony @9 a while ago and other than that eye focus, the crazy shutter speed, and even the silent shooting wasn't a big deal. Consequently, other than the focus in Live View, which is the only thing that temps me about the D780, IMO ML is not the big deal everyone talks it up to be. I mean when I look at the film that I have from 20+ years ago, and still love the shots, it reminds that it's about my knowledge and skill, the camera can't do shit without me and I won't take a better or worse photo with the latest and greatest. My $.02!
Thank you for your review. I too own a D750 and love it. I owned a D800 but sold it because it was too heavy and didn't need that many pixels. I too have been complaining about the lousy video auto focus in Nikon cameras, ( I also own a D7500). For that reason I bought a Sony a6400, for the size, screen flip and good video auto focus. What I want to know if, if D780 has solved the Nikon video auto-focus issue? Does anyone know? That might be very interesting to know. Also, I have peeked through a Z6 EVF and it is very tempting, since I can get the right exposure in real time. I like to have less camera gear now, less weight, hence my interest in Z6. I currently own 4 Nikon primes, 2 Nikon zooms and one Sigma 60-600 Sport, monster lens :-)
They have, sort of! When you are shooting in live view the autofocus system works exactly as it should and is smooth and reliable with eye tracking autofocus. When you have live you off and are using the optical viewfinder it is a traditional Nikon DSLR and the autofocus system is not quite as smooth. Now this is just from what I have read I haven't tried this camera out yet but I understand that it is exactly the same as the z6 when you are in live view.
IBIS, Eye AF, Focus Peaking and EVF eliminating need for chimping. Z6 is better in nearly every way but battery life and dual card slots. It's really nice to have some image stabilization on lenses that dont have it built in. It's nice to be able to use manual focus only lenses easily with focus peaking. I also, as concert photographer, love the silent shooting feature...dslrs are loud as hell. I have the Z6, d800e and d500. I use the Z6 80% of the time.
Thanks for the input. I think I agree with you. There are so many things about mirrorless that I like. Do you have any z mount lenses or are you adapting older leneses?
I'm a D750 hybrid event shooter. I didn't buy the Z6 because of the one slot. Unfortunately the D780 doesn't back up video, I had a card fail to read only just this week. I've decided to change camera at the end of my financial year. If no Nikon with 2 slots appears before then I've decided to move to Sony, hopefully the A74 will be out by then.
@@BillEricPhotography - I'm hoping I don't have to because I like the way Nikon switches from stills to video with a click of a switch just saving your last settings. All I want is to be able to backup my video files on the new camera.
Those who claim Z6 is a bad camera have not used it or they are some big TH-camrs who get paid to say "i have moved to --- brand" or " I'm switching" .. clickbait.. I have been using the Z6 for almost a year and it is hands down an amazing piece of kit. Eye AF is not the best, but it works as long as the subject is not running around .. In those situations just use Dynamic area AF-C..very reliable. Video quality is too good.. You don't need to edit anything, colours are perfect straight out of camera.. Image files are so good.. I shot some photos recently after sunset at 12800 ISO and I couldn't believe how good the files were.. Yes there is some noise, but its very easy to remove in photoshop.. but I like the film grain look just like in D750.. only difference is Z6 generates noise at much higher ISO.. I am a huge fan of Z6 and I wouldn't go back to DSLR. Only problem I had was no autofocus for AF-D lenses, because of which I had to sell my 80-200 2.8D. Z6 is lighter.. the 24-70 f4 kit lens is light, extremely sharp like you wouldn't believe. close focuses like a macro and it never comes off my camera. If you haven't switched yet.. you should.. Also, if you want to see yourself(vlogging), google UUrig mirror ..its a 10$ accessory that will solve the issue..
I originally said the d780 didn’t seem like an upgrade to the d750. I was wrong. I would like to upgrade my d750. I like the Z6 EVF and ICIS. I don’t care about video, I’m strictly photography only. I too do not need 45 megapixels. I wish the price of the D780 would come down a little, I see the Z6 has been on sale a lot lately. Maybe a D780 will be in my future soon.
Both are great cameras I think you have to decide what's more important to you. The d780 is probably built a little better And more suited to professional use. The z6 though has a lot of cool new features and is probably fun to use.
So about the flippy screen thing. You could just use snap bridge on your cell phone to control your camera and frame yourself. You could even mount your cell phone to the hot shoe mount with a cheap $1 mount from your local dollar store. I'm gonna say your problem can be solved for $1
That would work, but i don’t want to have to set up my phone on top of my camera every time I want to shoot, it’s just another cumbersome thing to have to deal with. The flip screen on the canon cameras is really fast and easy to use and you can articulate it into any direction. No reason why Nikon can’t do this.
I love my D750 and don’t think it makes sense for me to upgrade to a D780. I don’t care about video so the D750 is perfect for me. If I upgrade it will be to a d850 or possibly the Z6. Maybe I haven’t looked at the specs of the d780 enough, but I would think this geared to someone wanting to upgrade to a FF, not a D750 upgrade? Am I wrong?
It's definitely an upgrade to the d750 especially the autofocus in live view. But I don't know if it's enough of an upgrade to justify moving from the d750. I think the mirrorless with in body stabilization is a better move.
The Z6 is the better choice. The IBIS is incredible. I can easily shoot at 1/10 of a second and the images were incredibly sharp. With respect to the one card issue, the single XQD card is very stable and reliable. And it’s less expensive than the D780. Mirrorless is the future. You’re going up there without me? I’ll let you use my second Z7😉
Disney Image Makers I only have two cameras! Two Z7’s. I sold my D850 and nearly all my F-mount lenses. I already have five Z-mount lenses, and just purchased my sixth, the new 70-200mm f/2.8S.
Mainly shoot sport. ML is great in low light. the ability to focus in dim light is fantastic. but after try yo use it in fast moving subject. to use at sport event that require me 3 - 8 K shot per session. I prefer to use D750. But in the next 5-10 year I will switch maybe.
Yes it will be interesting to see how the mirrorless cameras develop over the next few years, I’m sure they’re going to get better in every way until they match the SLRs I’m every feature
I have had my Nikon Z6 since last March and that was the best decision I have ever need to switch to mirrorless. Coming from a Nikon D800 and a Nikon D7100 it was so nice to see what your image was going to look like in the EVF. I used nothing but F mount lenses for the first 6 1/2 owning it with great success. The auto focus is extremely accurate and the best part is the in body stabilization is a game changer with all your lenses that don’t have no VR. I adapted some really nice sigma F1.4 lenses to it like the 35 &105mm and they worked flawlessly with the eye auto focus. I can’t tell you to don’t worry about the single card slot it’s a non factor to me but it might be the main reason you will pass on the z6 and z7. But I have no problem with the fact that it only has one card slot. I picked up the new 50 mm and 85 mm Nikon F1.8 S lenses and I am blown away on how freaking sharp they are. They are just as good is the Sigma lenses. A lot of people are upset because they didn’t come out with “ professional lenses” like f1.4 or f1.2. These new z mount lenses are the 2 sharpest lenses I have used at wide open. In the Eye AF works even better on the new Z Mount Lenses. So many people dislike the new cameras without even giving them a chance. And trust me I had every intention on returning it and switching over to Sony and buying the A73. But after using it the first day I knew I was keeping it and it’s the best decision I have made. I highly recommend it. I still have my Nikon D800 but I barely use it anymore and if I do , I only do black and white photos with it.
Thanks for that awesome review. Everyone that owns the z cameras seems loves them. I am very tempted to give it a shot! The in body stabilization is something I'm sure I would love! The second card slot worries me but I guess if I back it up over and use smaller cards and change them out often I could make it work. I appreciate the comment.
@@BillEricPhotography for weddings I have my wife backing up my cards during the wedding to a portable hard drive. But in my contacts I have a clause for lost media which covers me. But I still don't want to take a chance. I get excited when I pick up my Z6. Cuz I know everything is going to be sharp and hardly any missed shots. When I used my dslr's I was a little bit more cautious about missing some shots or over or under exposed. So the Z6 just makes everything go so much smoother. I highly recommend getting it with the FTZ adapter if you nikon lenses already. So give it a try and if you don't like it send it back. Best of luck
D750 still is a solid camera,my z6 has white balance issues when shooting above 1/400th shutter under florescent lights..shooting at 6fps..the image keeps on changing cool to warm/warm to cool on every shot..just annoying on indoor sports..custom white balance did not help either..
@@BillEricPhotography i need to recreate the issue first,,it only happens in certain mix of florescent ceiling light bulbs at that higher fps shooting..my D750/d500 doesn't do that white balance issues..only this mirrorless Z6
Save money, buy the Z6 and the FTZ adaptor. Collect S lenses as the spirit and your budget dictate. All the groovy stuff in the D780 is in the video mode lifted from the Z6. For stills, it's still a DSLR. Basically still a D750. This past weekend I finally sold all of my Nikon DSLR gear to a camera store (along with anything else I had which wasn't full-frame). I kept 3 S lenses (kit 24-70, 35 1.8 and 50 1.8), the FTZ adaptor and the Nikon 28-300 since there really isn't an affordable Z mount telephoto yet (or ever?). I saw the D780 in the store. It was impressive and if it had been available in like 2017, or 2018 at the latest, I probably would have bought it and stayed in the DSLR world. But Nikon waited too long and I have no regrets about the Z6. The pictures from the Z6, even with F mount lenses, are positively 3-D and the low-light results are astonishing. As you pointed out, the D780 is for Nikon users who have a resistance to mirrorless, which is probably still 90% of their customers. It will be interesting to see where the D6 fits into the lineup, but I digress. I'm now a very contented one-camera enthusiast. But I must mention in this regard that I would not have liquidated all of my lessor camera gear if I didn't have an iPhone 11 Pro. But that's another topic. Embrace the future and a likely better camera. Get the Z6 with the FTZ adaptor.
Thanks for the input! I definitely think that will be my next move. Looks like Canon is adding another card slot to the R . I'm hoping with the next version of the z 6 and 7 Nikon will do the same. That's when I will probably buy one. I may pick up a z6 now just to give it a try but it's not exactly what I want just yet. Do you find that using the FX lenses with the adapter makes the camera very barrel-heavy?
Disney Image Makers, well, yes with the 28-300. But that would be the case with any Nikon. If you have smaller primes, they would still be the same size, of course, and theoretically, all the FTZ adaptor does is add the volume an F mount would have taken up. At least I think that’s correct, but I would need to verify that the FTZ adaptor just fills the dimensions of an F mount. In any event, with smaller lenses, specifically a 50mm F mount 1.8 I had before I bought the equivalent S lens, I didn’t even notice the adaptor.
I was just curious about the size, it really is not something I am too worried about. I'm using a DSLR now anyway so any savings in size would be nice. Thanks for all of the input!
Variety is the spice of life as such I prefer the options for character driven lens that have great contrast and tonality. Af-d works natively on f mount but on Z we lose that functionality of autofocus. It becomes manual. I feel that f system does better justice to Nikon heritage legacy lenses. I would consider Z lens and Z system once there is more character lenses as opposed to clinical precision and pure sharpness. Let's get more variety on the Z system to satisfy us all natively with autofocus.
I love my z6 too! Phenomenal low light and silent shutter for weddings and events. For $450 *less* that the d780, I also got the FTZ adapter and VR for all non-VR lenses. My 1982 Nikkor 300mm f/2.8 ai-s upgraded to the $4500 VR version as a result--it shoots tack sharp at 1/30th sec now. The d610 is now my backup camera: after 2 years of events and weddings I've not had one single SD card failure; and, as the XQD cards are more robust, I do not anticipate one on the Z6 (but I use SanDisk or Sony made cards for peace of mind). I also do volume portraits, so the eye autofocus is a godsend--no more accidentally focusing on ears or noses at f/2 discovered at edit!
I’m using z6 for like 7 months I switched from d7200 , and yes I really love my z6 I got it with FTZ and I can use all my lenses , honestly it’s a little bit different to use DSLR and mirrorless , and it’s correct to compare mirrorless with DSLR , mirrorless new technology that I think in a future years more and more will switch to mirrorless, D780 must be compared with D750 and honestly D750 it’s a monster camera and definitely same quality same brand less money .
Sorry my english..not native...im almost done with my d610...i got 4 lenses that new cost around 4,000 euros...if i go to Z lines i wouldnt want to use it with adapter (got 2 tamrons and 2 nikkon lenses, dont know if tamron could not work properly), so if i sell them having luck can get 2,200 for all 4...for me better stick with D series...im thinking gonna go for d750 and wait to drop f mount lenses prices...i think they will because of people who are changing to F mount to Z mount needs to sell...
I have been using the d750 for 5 years and it is a very good camera. you won't be disappointed with it. With that being said if you can afford it the d780 might be a really nice choice. You will have the latest tech and you'll still be able to use your older f mount lenses.
I have the Z6. I do love it. It is a great camera. I have 3 of the S lens a 50 1.8, 85 1.8 and the 24-70 f4 and they are great lenses. I would not trade them or my Z6. In fact as the new lenses come out I will be replacing my F mount lenses with the Z mount S glass. As for the one card slot... You do have the option now to keep Snapbridge running in the background between your mobile device and your camera. It is MUCH better than it ever was before. In fact you can now download 3 meg jpeg files or RAW files to your mobile device I have done both. The Raw does take up some space on my phone but it works. It could have just as easily been my tablet. Just as a side note. I just read two Facebook post where folks had washed and dried there XQD cards and there was not any lost data or physical damage. Just thought that was interesting. One more point. You might want to look at the Z50. the screen flips down instead of out, but that might work for your vloging.
Thanks for the info. I have heard the new cards are more stable. Perhaps the answer for me is to just keep my d750 and get the z6. I could use the d750 for any paid work until Nikon comes out with a dual card slot mirrorless. I've heard nothing but good things about the z Mount lenses. I am very curious to get my hands on some. Thanks for watching!
@@BillEricPhotography if you get your hands on one try using Snapbridge to backup the Z. Y can do jpeg or raw now. It eliminates the 2 card issue and Snapbridge is far far better these days. It works great in the background.
There is basically a Z6 inside the D780. With the exception of the Z lenses and in body stablization, the D780 can do anything the Z6 can do and a few things it can't. It even has face and eye recognition in live mode which you didn't mention in this video which is a really nice feature because the mirrorless research is backflowing to some of the DSLR's. I really think the DSLR is the best of both worlds. One of the reasons I was hesitant to lose the optical viewfinder is for action sports and moving subjects. You really can't shoot and see what is going on at the same time with the Z6. At least not at the upper end, shooting as quickly as the camera is designed to. You are looking at where the action was. You have a choice of either a blackout, or a sustain of the last image during this moment where the buffer is processing the last shot or the last burst, so in my opinion, the Z6 really isn't there yet, if it cannot follow the action without losing it while shooting rapidly. I that is not the kind of shooting you will be doing of course, this is not an issue. Honestly I don't need this much either, but I want to keep the option. I see very little downside with the DSLR. Yes it is bigger and heavier, but I am a man. I think I can handle it. It really is a hybrid between DSLR and Mirrorless because with live view mode, the mirror is locked up and you have a de facto mirrorless camera. I have made my choice. I am not saying I would never go mirrorless, but if the choice is between the Z6 and the D780, for me the answer is clear. And I will probably keep that 780 for the rest of my life. I may buy a mirrorless in a future generation to compliment the 780 at some point, but really the 780 does everything I need a camera to do and I am looking forward to it. Databyter
You make a lot of good points here. I don't mind the size of a DSLR either. I actually prefer it. Everybody that I know that I've switched really loves the mirrorless but I think the d780 is a nice compromise between both.
It's funny that I have the pivoting screen on my D5200 but not my Z6. I like the Z and it's Eye AF along with IBIS but I found it struggles on fast-moving subjects. My daughter was a small swing like carousel, so she was spinning pretty fast. At first, the camera was doing pretty good then it struggled to keep up. I'm on firmware 2.0, so maybe 3.0 is better IDK. I like it but so far, don't think it's for sports. I hope that changes with later updates.
I have to say, I was impressed yesterday taking photos of my daughters playing behind a bush. You could just make them out. I used the screen to focus on them and it did. It focused through the plant debris and they came in clear. I'm getting a better handle on getting the Z to focus.
@@BillEricPhotography I have been patient with it as I know that most of the things I struggled with are not the camera's fault. I updated to 3.0 a couple nights ago and hope to try that out soon.
I know there are definitely workarounds but I'd like to keep everything as simple as possible. Now with the announcement of the new Canon R5 I am really wishing Nikon follows suit. Canon seems to be putting out the perfect camera for vlogging and photography with that one!
Great video as always Bill these two camera's sound amazing I've always been happy with my D5600 but lately I've been thinking about getting a full frame so with the release of the D780 prices for the D750 are very tempting would It be a worthy upgrade as the other two are out of my budget.
I think it would be. Actually if you really want to save some money check out the Nikon d610 it's only $800 right now and it's a very nice camera I used it for years.
@@paulk329 I shoot with a D750 it's a fantastic camera the images are great. I do use it for video (see my FB and YT) I use single point non continuous AF for video. To be honest I've used it for video pretty successful, the 1080 from it looks very nice. I just pick a contrast point within the frame AF then recompose - it's a technique I've used for over 5 years now.
You want to switch from crop to full frame, all your previous lens will be useless, so you start from scratch. Inhave a d750 and a z7, I m telling you, go Sony. Unbeatable eye tracking. The 2 things I dislike is the camera grip( on older model of sony) and the menu. But overhall, they are ahead of the game
Nice vid .... have both d750 & d780 ... both great tried the z6 hmmmm .... d780 is a fab machine and get best of both worlds .... it will be a best seller ... price will go down and it will be a best seller .... love the d780 combo and most of all performance
08:40 We’ll thank goodness for that. How many wedding photographers, portrait photographers, documentary photographers and photojournalists need a side hinged flippy flappy take forever screen? You and your fellow TH-camrs are the main reason we are burdened with these screens now. Most of us do not want them. Thanks
I use the flip screen to compose shots in places and angles that I would not be able to without seeing the screen. Whether I’m holding it high over my head, hanging it down from a bridge, or squeezing it into a tight spot, the screen lets me see what I am composing. It’s less for being able to see yourself and more for being able to compose in different orientations. For straight shots from eye level, no you would not need the screen to flip out.
I am a traditionalist, I like the look and feel of the DSLR camera's, the nikon mirrorless camera's like the Z6 are ugly. I would be willing to upgrade to the new format, if the camera's looked better. They just lack the finesse of there better looking sibling DSLR's, time to break out the steroids and bulk the look. Skinny is not always nice.
@@KungPowEnterFist Do we speak different languages here? Or do you just don't get it? Did I not make it crystal clear that the Z6 I used with FTZ adapter and my Nikkor 600mm 4.0 FL performed simply poorly in terms of Autofocus and this especially tracking? And that I am into Wildlife what means this is the area I tried it? Seems to be too difficult to accept that Nikon did a bad job here.
@@Stefan1968ful It is, because just this past weekend I took my Z6 and Sigma 150-600 on FTZ and I fired away nearly 1000 shots at tiny little birds in complex backgrounds and achieved about a 85% success rate. Im talking those fast little fockers golden hour, out for breakfast, constantly moving, tree to tree. Then I went down to the shore and I shot 500 or so images of ospreys and other slightly smaller white and black birds also dive feeding on cloudy backdrops. Closer to 80% success rate on that outing. I have shot similar scenarios with similar subjects on a D500 on numerous occasions. The AF is better on the D500 for sure, but will still not get 100% or even 95% success rates. Its more like 85%-90% on the D500, where in the same scenarios and subjects I get 80%-85% on the Z6. To say the Z6 is poor AF, is to say the D500 is below average. I am not saying that. You are. I will admit, however, the D500 (and cameras like it) is easier for a noob to pick up and achieve a higher success rate shooting wildlife. Shooting wildlife, especially BIF's, through an EVF is not for noobs. Im sure Nikon will eventually release a mirrorless camera with A9II-like subject tracking and people will all of sudden be like, OMG, Nikon nailed it...best AF ever. The reality will be 5%-10% better than the Z6, and $4500 vs $1700. The influencers will love it.
free88 Sorry to say but I need the best for my Wildlife work and Nikon cannot offer this with their mirrorless line. As simple as that. The Z6 may be good for a lot of things but not for Wildlife and here fast moving objects. That’s not my opinion, that’s what I experienced (and not only me). You cannot turn shit into gold.
@@Stefan1968ful 14k gold is still gold. You want 24k gold. That is fine. But what you are saying is that the Z6 is a bar of lead, and that is false. I dont speak for other people, because I am not a puppet. Good luck with your photography. I am sure you and "the others" get tons of great shots.
You won't have af with your 28-70 on a Z camera. And I can't use several of my older lenses on a Z. With a d780, the only lenses I can't use are z lenses.
I forgot about the way those older lens focus. That is definitely a consideration. I also have a 35mm f2 that won't work with the Z. Thanks for reminding me!
This is again just a commercial video. You talked about everything we knew already except the d780's af system for video. I think everybody is interesting about the question "is DSLR dead?" or did Nikon really a big development with this body and Nikon users can have now a DSLR camera with a perfectly working af system for video, too. If not, DSLRs are really dead or Nikon is already dead because Z6 and Z7 has also problems with eye tracking and face detection. I had Nikon system 10 years before and I see Nikon have done nothing through years to develop the af system for video. They didn't recognize the situation through the years that people want have something for their money. It's a shame. We live a customer society so I think companies should serve customer needs!! Canon, Sony are much better, and however I like the Nikon feeling in 2020 more important for people what to get for their money. Mirrorless system is a newborn at Nikon, too. It's also not perfect, and there are very expensive lenses for S line. It's not development, it's only a bone for dogs again.
Not sure what you mean bycommercial video. Bit I did talk about the video system and how the new autofocus system is the same as the z6. They have finally caught up with video.
The battle between consumers and camera manufacturers have been around for a long time. Even decades ago, photographers had been buying multiple film cameras of different brands/formats such as LF, MF and 135 to satisfy their needs. With DSLR for instance, I owned both Canon and Nikon cameras and lenses so that I could use the Canon 85 f/1.2 or Nikon 105 f/2.5 that either company will offer. I didn't have to wait for Canon response when I could shoot with my Nikon D300 and 14-24 f/2.8. If Sony ever becomes number one then it probably does what it does best, proprietary stuffs. Maybe triple Memory Stick slots or one SD/MS + MS slots, etc. since it fired its CEO and replaced by the company's CFO to fill the money pit from years of red inks. Of course, the money will come from the Sony product owners.😊
I thought this comment was a good one to post my thoughts on your video, Disney Image Makers... to whit: I appreciate that your video isn't JUST a rehash of what we've already read about the d780. For me, at this convergence of available technology vs. my access to money/financing vs. my susceptibility (like everyone else...EVERYONE) to advertising vs. my Nikon d70s (yes, you read that correctly!) just dying so slowly, your video highlights the dilemma one faces at such a moment. To Kriszian, I say, I agree...there are so many "information campaign" videos out there (Jared, T&C, Hudson...ETC!!) This dude may just be click-baitin' us.! I call this the rabbit hole. I'm lost, frequently, in a rabbit hole of Nikon VS Sony (don't think I care for the ergonomics, color science (?) )VS Panasonic (don't forget them); then there's the rabbit hole of mirrorless VS dSLR...oh the madness, but then no pics are being taken while I wrestle with this First World problem ; ) Personally, I am leaning to the z6. Then I go look at everyone else's stuff. Then I find myself leaning to the z6, again. Then the d500 for birds deserves attention. Then the d780 comes out, so I guess I gotta wait to see what people think...the warren gets deeper and more circuitous! I don't think this is a commercial video. I think he expresses very real concerns and thoughts, or at least I see myself struggling to spend my chits with the same thoughts and concerns. I think he should keep his d750, and augment his arsenal with the z6 or z7. I lean to the z6 for more manageable file sizes, IBIS, smaller physical presence (z50, anyone?), increased portability, and functionality with my three already-owned, arguably crappy Nikon lenses, and VIDEO!!!. I'm not a fan-boy, I tell myself, but I love the idea of pro-grade capable 4k for my river videos (I can't fathom not being a hybrid shooter in this amateur, pro-sumer age), supposedly much improved AF and tracking (I shoot birds), weather sealing (I kayak)... ...redrob, decide, soon...the Osprey return in March, and I can't bear missing another season. Disney Image Maker, you didn't help me decide, so it isn't a consumer video...but you do highlight the dilemma. Thanks for reading the long-winded post!
The statement I am most curious about here is the "very expensive lenses for S line." Yes, the 58mm F0.95 is a pill to be sure. But the rest of the lenses are actually very well priced. Its not an ordinary 50mm f1.8 they are giving us with the S line. That lens is matching or exceeding lenses costing 2-8 times as much. Its an exceptional value when you consider the quality you are getting. Even the kit 24-70 f4 S line is a phenomenal deal at $600 combo price. That lens matches or exceeds lenses costing over 3 times that price, or 2 times the price at non-kit price. But this is the world we live in nowadays. In the age of information why do we all seem to be getting dumber and dumber every millisecond. I say if you dont like it then dont buy. But dont talk out your behind like you know something. 'Cause ya don't.
If you’re spending nearly $2,000 on a camera then $450 shouldn’t really be a consideration, it should come down to the features and capability of each camera.
@@BillEricPhotography well, I am just pointing out to the statement being made that the price is similar when they are not. $450 plus dollars is about 25 percent of a $2000. that's a lot, not all people have an unlimited budget for a camera, to begin with especially for a beginner
I totally get what you are saying. But at this level of camera features and design usually dictate what you buy more then a price difference of $450. I know for me if I had to pick one of these today I would spend the extra money on the d780 because it has the features that I need. It's not perfect but out of the two it's the one I would go with even though it's more money. I have the ability to wait and use the camera I have so I'm not going to get either right now. That was kind of the point I was making.
@@BillEricPhotography I agree with all your arguments about why you choose the d780 over the Z6 because those are all valid points. everybody who has the same budget as you have will not think twice to go on the same board with you. I am just pointing out that there is a $450 price difference between the two which you try to downplay. You just can't hide the $450 under the rugs and pretend it does not even exist. the d780 is clearly superior to the Z6 in some aspects but pls don't hide the fact that all those advancements in the new d780 come with a price. I considered buying the d780 before but I have only a limited budget hence, I ended buying a Z6 instead. the d780 is about $3300 Canadian dollars after tax whereas the Z6 comes to $2560. The $740cad difference is beyond my budget for the camera. everyone has their own reasons but please don't tell us that $1800 is the same as $2200 right in our face.
Maybe what I should have said is they are very similar cameras but there is a price difference. I'm sure you are loving the z6, thanks for watching. Appreciate your input.
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I have about 5 or 6 SLR's Nikons at the moment and 1 z6, I don't like the mirrorless for photography. I mostly use it for video...
5 or 6 SLR’s is a lot of SLR’s! It would be tough to replace that. Mirrorless takes getting used to. From a Canon point of view, as soon as I started using my Canon R I was hooked. All the image quality of my 5D4 plus more features and more fun to use. -Eric
Funny you say that, My buddy went full mirrorless bought into the dslrs are dead hype like me thousands in glass and bodies he sold it all for a body and a few lenses.. bragged to me like I was out of touch. I said dude its the like the film/dslr at all not close... hes very good so I said their in not an image you can take on that that i cant take on my D4,D500 or even my D600 now i have the 780 btw ... so we shot together for 3 days. we even did short video clips ..... now he was limited on glass so for video I actually out did him with my D500 as for images their was not 1 shot that either of our images stood above the other. so he lost two bodies and 5-8 lenses.... Neither of us shoot much video just weddings but even their i get zero complaints and his are no better .... I will never change i will buy the D6 im 48yo and should be fin for 5 years DSLRs are not dead
Thanks for the presentation. Curious about real life comparisons with both bodies in hand. For me, there are a couple of other advantages in favour of the DSLR format, on top of those you have listed:
1. Lag: all the mirrorless systems I have tried, including Z, suffer from power-on lag and wake-from-sleep lag. They also suffer from viewfinder lag (much less now than previous generations). When you use a DSLR, it is always ready to shoot: you lift it to your eye and you press the shutter, picture taken (or AF locked on). No need to turn off the camera when it is not in the bag as there will be no battery drain. When you use mirrorless, it needs to boot or wake-up, and that can take around 2 seconds. That is immensely frustrating in real life. When you look through the optical viewfinder of the DSLR, you see subjects in real time. When you look through an EVF, you get a very slightly delayed view of reality (a few nanoseconds I guess). That is enough to be irritating in continuous shooting situations.
2. Autofocus: despite tremendous progress in the mirrorless world, the module based AF system of a good DSLR will usually lock on the target faster and more reliably. It gets less easily distracted by backlit situations and does not randomly focus on background features. It also usually works better in very low light. Mirrorless AF is improving at each generation (Sony A9 is almost there), but I still much prefer a DSLR for fast moving subjects. The negatives for DSLR AF modules are the potential need for calibration fine tuning and the centre weighted distribution of AF points, even though, as they are, they work for "proper" composition. Nikon's 3D tracking function still is better, for me, than mirrorless gimmicks, including for tracking of a model's eye.
All in all, the only useful thing missing in the new DSLRs is the IBIS function. If Pentax can do it, I really do not see why Nikon/Canon cannot.
I am curious also, I would love to get my hands on both of them at the same time. I have a feeling both of them I'm going to feel terrific and it really depends on what your needs are as a photographer. Also budget is going to be a concern because you may spend more on the d780 but the fact that you already have a bag full of f-mount lenses might make it a less expensive purchase than buying the z6 and trying to buy into the z line of lenses. I don't think I would have a problem switching from a DSLR to the z6 if it had a few of the features that I wanted. I have a feeling that the Canon has announced the R5 Nikon is going to have to up the game with the z6 in order to compete.
All excellent points. Well said.
Ive shot Nikon for 13 years and have used the D850 and the Z7. I have a Z6 on order. A few things I would like to mention about mirrorless after using it for a while:
1. DSLRs seem to be overly heavy, clunky and yesterdays tech after shooting and getting comfortable with a Z camera.
2. The EVF takes a bit to get used to, but once you do and then shoot a DSLR it becomes evident that it is a huge advantage in many ways.
3. Auto Focus is getting better and better with mirrorless. It seems like its just about there now and will move ahead with the next iterations of firmware updates.
4. I believe the majority of time and effort by most camera companies will be put into the development/improvement of their mirrorless systems vs. DSLRs.
5. The S lenses in the Nikon system are better than their f-mount counterparts. Sharper and more advanced thanks to the huge difference of the mounts.
6. Elimination of the need to micro adjust lenses with AF Fine Tuning. This is something that is a real hindrance with DSLRs.
7. Size/weight difference is not realized until you go back to a DSLR and see how much easier it is to manage a mirrorless system.
Just my opinions and of course I value yours and everyone else. Thanks for letting me chime in and regardless of the system we use, the important thing is to find one you enjoy and have fun shooting!
Take care,
Rick
Thanks for the input Rick. Everything you said makes total sense. Mirrorless is definitely the future of photography. I have yet to hear someone who has switched say they wish they had their DSLR back!
I enjoy my D780. A classic DSLR design that works the second you turn it on. Great battery life, comfortable in the hands, a great counterbalance with my lenses. I can focus on my photography rather than the camera, because everything is where it needs to be.
It's a very interesting camera. A real hybrid!
This is one of the reasons I prefer the D780. What do you shoot mostly?
I would say primarily landscapes but I do get hired occasionally for portrait work. I found the d750 to be a very well-rounded camera. Now after using the z62 for a couple of months I'm glad I went mirrorless.
@@BillEricPhotography Help me understand the reasons for Mirrorless being better? Thank you.
I didn't say it was necessarily better I like the form factor better. My images have not suffered at all. I like seeing a live exposure through the viewfinder. I don't know how the d780 is as far as ISO performance but the z62 is much better than my d750 was. That is probably just a product of the sensor so I imagine any camera that has that sensor would also perform that way. I think it's just the way technology is going.
I’m looking to upgrade from d7500 to either d780 or Z6. I was lucky to borrow a Z6 from a friend for a week. After 3 days i returned it. Reason: autofocus ok but slow for contineous mode especially bird photography. Second: I spent more time finding charging station than finding birds. What a nightmare that poor 350 photos per battery. Must admit the Election View finder was impressive. So why D780? To me the 780 is a photo camera that stole technology from Mirrorless to shoot nice video. Z6 to me is a video camera that can shoot photos as well. Bit blunt but the point stands
I think you might be right with Nikon. Canon I'm not sure. They seem to be doing things better with the mirrorless!
Via saving my pennies and buying used gear, I can say that I have done both !!
I purchased a new Nikon D750 in 2016 and I still use the camera for both stills and video (I focus the D750 manually for video).
In 2021, I purchased a good-quality , used D780. This is a great step-forward from the D750 for both focusing and video.
Meanwhile, this year (2022) I have purchased a good-quality used Nikon Z6ii, with the dual card slots. This is a further step-forward for both focusing and video.
I have kept all-three cameras and I am still very happy with all of them !!
That’s great to hear, a gear success story!
Been shooting a D850 for about 1 and half years. Bought my wife a Z6 because she wanted something that was small in the hands but had familiar controls to my 850. I didn't think I would ever find a camera I liked better than the 850, until I started using the Z. The EVF will always be the #1 reason the Z beats out an SLR. The ability to see exposure in real time is just a treat. Secondly, the mount. The Z mount is revolutionary. The lenses that Nikon will be able to produce because of this mount is awesome. They proved it with the 58mm .95 Noct. I have a combination of adapted F-mount and now have a few native Z mount primes. The native lenses are some of the sharpest I've see. Now to one of the least talked about benefits of the Z... IBIS. SLR cameras do not have IBIS, so in order to get image stabilization, it had to be in the lens, which would inherently make each lens more expensive. Now that the Z cams have it in body, the native lenses no longer need that technology, which makes them more affordable. Add up all the times you bought a lens with VC or VR (or whatever the manufacturer calls it), and that starts to cost real $$. Anyway, I'm rambling. I sold my 850 after a few weeks with my wifes Z6. I went out and bought a second for myself and have no regrets doing so. Oh, and by the way, I have an M50 also. Great little video camera that balances well on an Zhiyun Crane. Cheers!
Thanks for all of that info. It's great to hear from actual users. I think I would love the z6 also I'm really starting to consider it. Everybody that has it seems to love it and people that have gone from a DSLR really seem to like it! do you think I could get away doing video with only the z6 and getting rid of my M50?
mark branle FYI Pentax DSLR K1 and K1 Mark II have IBIS
Thanks for the video. I've been researching cameras to switch from my Nikon D7200, that I've been shooting with for 5 years or so, and was leaning towards the Z6. That was before the D780 announcement. I like the idea of the 750/780 but love the ability for faster FPS and low light photography for sports and concerts. Despite the one (expensive) card slot, I am still leaning towards the Z6. We shall see. Hopefully 2020 is the year I upgrade ha ha. Enjoy the lack of snow upstate. You're going to get some cold and snow this weekend if you are up there then.
I think the z6 is probably the better choice right now. It was nice here today but tomorrow is going to get cold with rain. We will be home by Friday.
@@BillEricPhotography That stinks, there's always the vineyards or waterfalls with heavy rainfall will flow nicely. Just things look murky when no leaves or snow. Guess good time for B&W
I'm still thinking of upgrading myself to fullframe...the dilemma - D780 or Z6. Bought Z50 a month ago....good camera with is smaller and lighter...but its struggling a bit to attain sharpness.
Interesting there shouldn’t be a problem with sharpness. Check the settings and maybe you got a bad copy?
I'm a photographer as well as a videographer. The Z6 looks great, but I am not sure about the EVF. When photographing, I mainly shoot action (running dogs) and I'm afraid the EVF has a lag compared to an optical viewfinder of a DSLR. So the D780 seems to be better for my purpose as it combines the best of both worlds. But it lacks the in-body-stabilization. Really not sure which one to pick ...
You sound exactly like me! I am in the exact same position I prefer a lot of things about the d780 but I like the new technology and the stabilization of the z6. I think I'm going to wait and see what they come out with next.
Great review.
Perhaps you missed a couple of things.
Pros: D780, longer battery life in still mode (non-liveview). Faster fps at 12 fps in electronic mode. Could be better for wildlife and birding photographers and sports.
Z6 main advantage is smaller size of body and lenses due to IBIS on sensor therefore no need for VR on Z lenses so lighter lenses.
Pro of D780 moving from another Nikon DSLR, keep using your FX lenses without an adaptor which Z6 needs for using FX lenses.
Lots of exterior buttons on D780 for quick access changes in functions, I think more than the Z6, but I did not do a full comparison.
That should be it. Right now pricing of a new D780 and new Z6ii is about the same in Canada for a body. Both bodies have sensor shift focusing for focus stacking (missing on D750).
Did you get the D780?
Good points thanks. No, using the Z6II now.
Mirrorless you need to pimp them up with a cage. It allows you to add grips and top handles that will enhance the way you shoot videos.
I love my Z6! I switched from Nikon dslr about a year ago.
It’s a great camera, and we hear from so many people who are switching to mirrorless. It’s definitely going to be interesting to see how the mirrorless vs dslr lines develop over the next year or so.
I've just swapped one of my old D750's for a Z6 with firmware 3.21. It's a refreshing change to use a lighter body and the amazing focus system. The in camera 5 axis stabilisation really helps keep things sharp. Sure the battery performance is a shocker but that's to be expected. The D780 is probably the best SLR Nikon ever made but I can't help thinking they're a thing of the past now. I paid £999 for my Z6 with less than 2000 clicks so it was a no brainer for me.
Mirrorless is definitely the way to go right now. The iso performance is much better also. Sounds like you got a like deal! Enjoy it!
Cool video, I can agree on most things, but you are not talking abut couple of really important things.
Due to the different autofocus technology, The Z6 does not have the AFC-"3D" feature you got in nikon 750 (and similar camera series, its called 3D in those cameraas even if its just a focus tracking).
To use an AF-C feature (to pick a point and make the AF follow the point) on the Z6 you need to use the ok button on the back to set and reset the focus point the camera will have to follow, something not really good for shooting tbh, its super slow and you need to press 3 buttons every time you change a subject, also the focus point in AF-C is huge wich does not help if you shot with a very fast lens.
Second huge difference, all the F lenses not really recent can only be used in manual focus on the Z6, this can be a problem in my opninion if you want to shot anything not stationary and you got some not so new lenses, as manual focus does not make sense in those situations.
Good points, I really don't use the 3D tracking too much but it is nice to have that. I guess these two cameras are going to appeal to different people for different reasons. I know for my purposes I just wish any Nikon camera would have a flip-out screen but they don't seem to be going that way. I'm hoping with the next round of mirrorless cameras that come out they at least add another card slot but even if they don't people seem to think the way it's set up and is fine. It is fun shopping and checking all of these new cameras out though!
This is a new one for me - your point about only manual focus on the Z6 for old lenses. I am trying to decide on the 780 vs Z6 right now. I have a Nikon 105mm that I want to use, and I might buy an F mount Nikon 28-300. Are you saying that neither of these lenses will auto-focus on the Z6? thanks in advance.
I bought my Z6 a week ago and so far love it. Still working on fine tuning the settings etc., but the images using the adapter and my F mount lenses have been sharp and no negative issues.
Good to know! I would love to give one a test drive before I buy!
Disney Image Makers Check with Lens Rentals, I’m pretty sure they can rent you one for a small fee. I got mine at Imaging USA PPA Convention last week in Nashville. I have been at Lock & Dam 14 shooting Bald Eagles with it and having pretty good luck. Only down side is that it is way to warm for the eagles, so few subjects to test it’s capabilities. Am going to Coraville Dam where they are more plentiful this year, I am told.
@@BillEricPhotography did u tested?
Not yet.
So I’m assuming you can’t use the f mount lenses without the adapter or is it like I have heard and you can but you loose auto focus?
Great video. I also have the D780 and it's my everyday body. I too wish Nikon would put a swivel touch screen on their full sensor bodies; there's so many advantages using/having one. They can use the concept from their D5500/D5600 lineup (which I owned at one point). The Z6 II/Z7 II are nice camera systems, but I would like to see what is on the lineup for 2022/2023 before I add a mirrorless body. Based on some of the specs, the Z6, Z6 II and D780 are almost the same camera systems.
Performance wise they are probably very similar. I do like the mirrorless body and some of the features it has.
Z series (today) can be mostly boiled down to Z mount lenses and EVF. No need for Z if happy with current F mount offerings and prefer shooting via optical viewfinder. The F mount line is complete, the Z mount is a work in progress with a fairly basic line up currently.
New shooters seem to prefer the EVF because they're used to smart phone cameras, most videographers prefer them because they've been using them their entire careers, and some experienced photographers appreciate the advantages in workflow.
From a technical standpoint, every Z mount lens is superior to its F mount counterpart, optically as well as in the focus motor system (more of a video advantage). Subjective tastes regarding rendering preferences aside, every subsequent Z mount lens will likely continue this trend. This isn't to say Nikon can't or won't release S Line clunkers in the future; they just wouldn't be able to sell units of something that was outperformed by an older, cheaper F mount equivalent due to FTZ adaptability. This is tied to the reduced image plane to rear lens element distance (flange back distance). This means lenses can be adapted to camera bodies/lens mounts with shorter flange back distances, but not vice versa. There is no simple adapter that will allow any Z mount lens function on any non Z camera body, Nikon or other, because the Z mount has the shortest flange back focusing distance at 18mm.
Thanks, great info there! The in-body stabilization and the autofocus for video are the things that are really attracted me to the Z6. I'm hoping with the next version of it they will add a second card slot like Canon seems to be doing with the r-line. I'm not going to hold my breath for the flip-out screen though that doesn't seem to be in the works.
Throw your phone on top of your camera get an otg cable and qdslr dashboard app. Voila cheap forward facing monitor for under $20 bucks.
It’s a good idea just shouldn’t be necessary
I brought my d780 with a trade-in and rebate for $1,450. The high iso is so good that I can comfortably shoot up to 25000 iso and the noise is almost none existant. Even the little noise is plesant at 51000. Not worried about stabilization and most of my f mount lens have stabilization.
Sounds like it's perfect for you. I'm sure I would Love it also. Most of my lenses are stabilized also. Tough call for me. Check back after a few months and let us know how you like it!
Still using the D700 and D750. Other than eye focus, and real-time preview through the the electronic viewfinder, ML still doesn’t do anything my DSLRs don’t. And since the product of great images is more in the lens than the camera, technologically speaking, I see no reason to upgrade.
When I do upgrade, Nikon probably won’t make DSLRs anymore and I’ll probably get the D780 at a steal.
The d780 is a nice compromise between both. I really wish the d750 had a touch screen in the back I've gotten used to using it on my mirrorless M50 and it really is very convenient. The in-body stabilization over the mirrorless is also a very nice feature. Not all of my lens have VR so that's something that I would like. I guess it depends on the application and what you plan on doing with it. Thanks for watching!
floex831 the mirrorless cameras have the HUGE advantage of “not having a mirror” . The advantages are on sensor phase detection autofocus . It solves so so many problems inherent to DSLRs.
I have the d7000,d500,d810 and d850 . Z6 is my next camera for sure . No more focus shift , no more front and back focus issues. Or majorly reduced anyway.
@@troyphillips1077 If you calibrate each lens on the camera, your focus issues should be resolved. I learned on an old Nikon FG-20 35mm, which I still have, hence, MF is not an issue and I've never had issues with the AF on any of my DSLRs. What I should say is that I have been able to correct the minor issues with AF I have had, which for the record, have been far and few between. My point is that, IMO, other than the focusing advantage, and 100% silent shooting, ML still doesn't do anything my DSLRs don't. I mean what are the inherent horrible problems, that according to many, will end the world due to the mirror box? Is it flaw, of course it is but its not the prodigious detriment everyone tries to make it out to be. In the film days you had to account for shutter lag, AF was non existent, and updates to camera came once a decade. The ergonomics on a ML are atrocious, especially when using f/2.8 or faster glass as the size of the glass depends on the sensor and not the body. Hence, the desire, if not necessity for a camera like the D780 is real. I started photography in 1994 at the age of 14, I have never been big on gear, meaning I haven't paid attention to it and still don't, if it isn't obvious.
I shot for a week with the Sony @9 a while ago and other than that eye focus, the crazy shutter speed, and even the silent shooting wasn't a big deal.
Consequently, other than the focus in Live View, which is the only thing that temps me about the D780, IMO ML is not the big deal everyone talks it up to be. I mean when I look at the film that I have from 20+ years ago, and still love the shots, it reminds that it's about my knowledge and skill, the camera can't do shit without me and I won't take a better or worse photo with the latest and greatest.
My $.02!
Thank you for your review. I too own a D750 and love it. I owned a D800 but sold it because it was too heavy and didn't need that many pixels. I too have been complaining about the lousy video auto focus in Nikon cameras, ( I also own a D7500). For that reason I bought a Sony a6400, for the size, screen flip and good video auto focus.
What I want to know if, if D780 has solved the Nikon video auto-focus issue? Does anyone know? That might be very interesting to know.
Also, I have peeked through a Z6 EVF and it is very tempting, since I can get the right exposure in real time. I like to have less camera gear now, less weight, hence my interest in Z6. I currently own 4 Nikon primes, 2 Nikon zooms and one Sigma 60-600 Sport, monster lens :-)
They have, sort of! When you are shooting in live view the autofocus system works exactly as it should and is smooth and reliable with eye tracking autofocus. When you have live you off and are using the optical viewfinder it is a traditional Nikon DSLR and the autofocus system is not quite as smooth. Now this is just from what I have read I haven't tried this camera out yet but I understand that it is exactly the same as the z6 when you are in live view.
IBIS, Eye AF, Focus Peaking and EVF eliminating need for chimping. Z6 is better in nearly every way but battery life and dual card slots. It's really nice to have some image stabilization on lenses that dont have it built in. It's nice to be able to use manual focus only lenses easily with focus peaking. I also, as concert photographer, love the silent shooting feature...dslrs are loud as hell. I have the Z6, d800e and d500. I use the Z6 80% of the time.
Thanks for the input. I think I agree with you. There are so many things about mirrorless that I like. Do you have any z mount lenses or are you adapting older leneses?
I'm a D750 hybrid event shooter. I didn't buy the Z6 because of the one slot. Unfortunately the D780 doesn't back up video, I had a card fail to read only just this week. I've decided to change camera at the end of my financial year. If no Nikon with 2 slots appears before then I've decided to move to Sony, hopefully the A74 will be out by then.
I have been thinking about switching systems but it seems like a huge financial loss to trade in so much gear.
@@BillEricPhotography - I'm hoping I don't have to because I like the way Nikon switches from stills to video with a click of a switch just saving your last settings. All I want is to be able to backup my video files on the new camera.
I wish I shot Canon because the R is the perfect camera for me right now. Even with only one card slot it checks off all the boxes for me.
Those who claim Z6 is a bad camera have not used it or they are some big TH-camrs who get paid to say "i have moved to --- brand" or " I'm switching" .. clickbait.. I have been using the Z6 for almost a year and it is hands down an amazing piece of kit. Eye AF is not the best, but it works as long as the subject is not running around .. In those situations just use Dynamic area AF-C..very reliable. Video quality is too good.. You don't need to edit anything, colours are perfect straight out of camera.. Image files are so good.. I shot some photos recently after sunset at 12800 ISO and I couldn't believe how good the files were.. Yes there is some noise, but its very easy to remove in photoshop.. but I like the film grain look just like in D750.. only difference is Z6 generates noise at much higher ISO.. I am a huge fan of Z6 and I wouldn't go back to DSLR. Only problem I had was no autofocus for AF-D lenses, because of which I had to sell my 80-200 2.8D. Z6 is lighter.. the 24-70 f4 kit lens is light, extremely sharp like you wouldn't believe. close focuses like a macro and it never comes off my camera. If you haven't switched yet.. you should..
Also, if you want to see yourself(vlogging), google UUrig mirror ..its a 10$ accessory that will solve the issue..
I originally said the d780 didn’t seem like an upgrade to the d750. I was wrong. I would like to upgrade my d750. I like the Z6 EVF and ICIS. I don’t care about video, I’m strictly photography only. I too do not need 45 megapixels. I wish the price of the D780 would come down a little, I see the Z6 has been on sale a lot lately. Maybe a D780 will be in my future soon.
Both are great cameras I think you have to decide what's more important to you. The d780 is probably built a little better And more suited to professional use. The z6 though has a lot of cool new features and is probably fun to use.
So about the flippy screen thing. You could just use snap bridge on your cell phone to control your camera and frame yourself. You could even mount your cell phone to the hot shoe mount with a cheap $1 mount from your local dollar store.
I'm gonna say your problem can be solved for $1
That would work, but i don’t want to have to set up my phone on top of my camera every time I want to shoot, it’s just another cumbersome thing to have to deal with. The flip screen on the canon cameras is really fast and easy to use and you can articulate it into any direction. No reason why Nikon can’t do this.
@@BillEricPhotography its also fragile. I prefer a fixed screen personally. Nikon does have a flip out screen on the D5500
I love my D750 and don’t think it makes sense for me to upgrade to a D780. I don’t care about video so the D750 is perfect for me. If I upgrade it will be to a d850 or possibly the Z6. Maybe I haven’t looked at the specs of the d780 enough, but I would think this geared to someone wanting to upgrade to a FF, not a D750 upgrade? Am I wrong?
It's definitely an upgrade to the d750 especially the autofocus in live view. But I don't know if it's enough of an upgrade to justify moving from the d750. I think the mirrorless with in body stabilization is a better move.
D750 to D850 is not an upgrade. D750 to D780 is an upgrade.
Zeis Siez the d850 is a better camera than the d750 and the d780
Thank you for the review, but who is Eric ?
You’re welcome!
Eric is the other half of this channel.
The Z6 is the better choice. The IBIS is incredible. I can easily shoot at 1/10 of a second and the images were incredibly sharp. With respect to the one card issue, the single XQD card is very stable and reliable. And it’s less expensive than the D780. Mirrorless is the future.
You’re going up there without me? I’ll let you use my second Z7😉
You have to many cameras! I agree I think mirrorless is the future!
Disney Image Makers I only have two cameras! Two Z7’s. I sold my D850 and nearly all my F-mount lenses. I already have five Z-mount lenses, and just purchased my sixth, the new 70-200mm f/2.8S.
Mainly shoot sport. ML is great in low light. the ability to focus in dim light is fantastic. but after try yo use it in fast moving subject. to use at sport event that require me 3 - 8 K shot per session. I prefer to use D750. But in the next 5-10 year I will switch maybe.
Yes it will be interesting to see how the mirrorless cameras develop over the next few years, I’m sure they’re going to get better in every way until they match the SLRs I’m every feature
I have had my Nikon Z6 since last March and that was the best decision I have ever need to switch to mirrorless. Coming from a Nikon D800 and a Nikon D7100 it was so nice to see what your image was going to look like in the EVF. I used nothing but F mount lenses for the first 6 1/2 owning it with great success. The auto focus is extremely accurate and the best part is the in body stabilization is a game changer with all your lenses that don’t have no VR. I adapted some really nice sigma F1.4 lenses to it like the 35 &105mm and they worked flawlessly with the eye auto focus. I can’t tell you to don’t worry about the single card slot it’s a non factor to me but it might be the main reason you will pass on the z6 and z7. But I have no problem with the fact that it only has one card slot.
I picked up the new 50 mm and 85 mm Nikon F1.8 S lenses and I am blown away on how freaking sharp they are. They are just as good is the Sigma lenses. A lot of people are upset because they didn’t come out with “ professional lenses” like f1.4 or f1.2. These new z mount lenses are the 2 sharpest lenses I have used at wide open. In the Eye AF works even better on the new Z Mount Lenses. So many people dislike the new cameras without even giving them a chance. And trust me I had every intention on returning it and switching over to Sony and buying the A73. But after using it the first day I knew I was keeping it and it’s the best decision I have made. I highly recommend it. I still have my Nikon D800 but I barely use it anymore and if I do , I only do black and white photos with it.
Thanks for that awesome review. Everyone that owns the z cameras seems loves them. I am very tempted to give it a shot! The in body stabilization is something I'm sure I would love! The second card slot worries me but I guess if I back it up over and use smaller cards and change them out often I could make it work. I appreciate the comment.
@@BillEricPhotography for weddings I have my wife backing up my cards during the wedding to a portable hard drive. But in my contacts I have a clause for lost media which covers me. But I still don't want to take a chance. I get excited when I pick up my Z6. Cuz I know everything is going to be sharp and hardly any missed shots. When I used my dslr's I was a little bit more cautious about missing some shots or over or under exposed. So the Z6 just makes everything go so much smoother. I highly recommend getting it with the FTZ adapter if you nikon lenses already.
So give it a try and if you don't like it send it back. Best of luck
Good ideas. Thanks!
I will say the new QXD cards are way better than the older SD. Failure is likely to be less of a problem.
My Z6ii has both so I'm good. You are probably right though.
D750 still is a solid camera,my z6 has white balance issues when shooting above 1/400th shutter under florescent lights..shooting at 6fps..the image keeps on changing cool to warm/warm to cool on every shot..just annoying on indoor sports..custom white balance did not help either..
That has to be very frustrating. Have you talked to Nikon about it?
@@BillEricPhotography i need to recreate the issue first,,it only happens in certain mix of florescent ceiling light bulbs at that higher fps shooting..my D750/d500 doesn't do that white balance issues..only this mirrorless Z6
Save money, buy the Z6 and the FTZ adaptor. Collect S lenses as the spirit and your budget dictate. All the groovy stuff in the D780 is in the video mode lifted from the Z6. For stills, it's still a DSLR. Basically still a D750. This past weekend I finally sold all of my Nikon DSLR gear to a camera store (along with anything else I had which wasn't full-frame). I kept 3 S lenses (kit 24-70, 35 1.8 and 50 1.8), the FTZ adaptor and the Nikon 28-300 since there really isn't an affordable Z mount telephoto yet (or ever?). I saw the D780 in the store. It was impressive and if it had been available in like 2017, or 2018 at the latest, I probably would have bought it and stayed in the DSLR world. But Nikon waited too long and I have no regrets about the Z6. The pictures from the Z6, even with F mount lenses, are positively 3-D and the low-light results are astonishing. As you pointed out, the D780 is for Nikon users who have a resistance to mirrorless, which is probably still 90% of their customers. It will be interesting to see where the D6 fits into the lineup, but I digress. I'm now a very contented one-camera enthusiast. But I must mention in this regard that I would not have liquidated all of my lessor camera gear if I didn't have an iPhone 11 Pro. But that's another topic. Embrace the future and a likely better camera. Get the Z6 with the FTZ adaptor.
Thanks for the input! I definitely think that will be my next move. Looks like Canon is adding another card slot to the R . I'm hoping with the next version of the z 6 and 7 Nikon will do the same. That's when I will probably buy one. I may pick up a z6 now just to give it a try but it's not exactly what I want just yet. Do you find that using the FX lenses with the adapter makes the camera very barrel-heavy?
Disney Image Makers, well, yes with the 28-300. But that would be the case with any Nikon. If you have smaller primes, they would still be the same size, of course, and theoretically, all the FTZ adaptor does is add the volume an F mount would have taken up. At least I think that’s correct, but I would need to verify that the FTZ adaptor just fills the dimensions of an F mount. In any event, with smaller lenses, specifically a 50mm F mount 1.8 I had before I bought the equivalent S lens, I didn’t even notice the adaptor.
I was just curious about the size, it really is not something I am too worried about. I'm using a DSLR now anyway so any savings in size would be nice. Thanks for all of the input!
Why? It’s 2022 as I write this, the majority of Pro’s are still shooting DSLR’s. I wonder why?
I've been mirrorless for about a year now. It's an older video.
Is focus noise from F mount lenses a problem even if the D780’s video is as good as a Z6? Would off camera mic’s be required?
I guess that would depend on the lens, but yes you definitely want to use an external mic!
Variety is the spice of life as such I prefer the options for character driven lens that have great contrast and tonality. Af-d works natively on f mount but on Z we lose that functionality of autofocus. It becomes manual. I feel that f system does better justice to Nikon heritage legacy lenses. I would consider Z lens and Z system once there is more character lenses as opposed to clinical precision and pure sharpness. Let's get more variety on the Z system to satisfy us all natively with autofocus.
That makes sense and I know exactly what you mean about those older lenses. Some of them definitely have a unique look.
I love my z6 too! Phenomenal low light and silent shutter for weddings and events. For $450 *less* that the d780, I also got the FTZ adapter and VR for all non-VR lenses. My 1982 Nikkor 300mm f/2.8 ai-s upgraded to the $4500 VR version as a result--it shoots tack sharp at 1/30th sec now. The d610 is now my backup camera: after 2 years of events and weddings I've not had one single SD card failure; and, as the XQD cards are more robust, I do not anticipate one on the Z6 (but I use SanDisk or Sony made cards for peace of mind). I also do volume portraits, so the eye autofocus is a godsend--no more accidentally focusing on ears or noses at f/2 discovered at edit!
Great points, sounds like you have a nice system in place. And yes the eye focus doesn’t get as much credit as it deserves!
I’m using z6 for like 7 months I switched from d7200 , and yes I really love my z6 I got it with FTZ and I can use all my lenses , honestly it’s a little bit different to use DSLR and mirrorless , and it’s correct to compare mirrorless with DSLR , mirrorless new technology that I think in a future years more and more will switch to mirrorless, D780 must be compared with D750 and honestly D750 it’s a monster camera and definitely same quality same brand less money .
Thanks for the info, it’s going to be fun seeing how the mirrorless vs DSLR cameras develop now
of cause z6. you can use the new Z mount lens with it and d780 can't.
Sorry my english..not native...im almost done with my d610...i got 4 lenses that new cost around 4,000 euros...if i go to Z lines i wouldnt want to use it with adapter (got 2 tamrons and 2 nikkon lenses, dont know if tamron could not work properly), so if i sell them having luck can get 2,200 for all 4...for me better stick with D series...im thinking gonna go for d750 and wait to drop f mount lenses prices...i think they will because of people who are changing to F mount to Z mount needs to sell...
I have been using the d750 for 5 years and it is a very good camera. you won't be disappointed with it. With that being said if you can afford it the d780 might be a really nice choice. You will have the latest tech and you'll still be able to use your older f mount lenses.
Timeframe is in question??
I have the Z6. I do love it. It is a great camera. I have 3 of the S lens a 50 1.8, 85 1.8 and the 24-70 f4 and they are great lenses. I would not trade them or my Z6. In fact as the new lenses come out I will be replacing my F mount lenses with the Z mount S glass.
As for the one card slot... You do have the option now to keep Snapbridge running in the background between your mobile device and your camera. It is MUCH better than it ever was before. In fact you can now download 3 meg jpeg files or RAW files to your mobile device I have done both. The Raw does take up some space on my phone but it works. It could have just as easily been my tablet.
Just as a side note. I just read two Facebook post where folks had washed and dried there XQD cards and there was not any lost data or physical damage. Just thought that was interesting. One more point. You might want to look at the Z50. the screen flips down instead of out, but that might work for your vloging.
Thanks for the info. I have heard the new cards are more stable. Perhaps the answer for me is to just keep my d750 and get the z6. I could use the d750 for any paid work until Nikon comes out with a dual card slot mirrorless. I've heard nothing but good things about the z Mount lenses. I am very curious to get my hands on some. Thanks for watching!
@@BillEricPhotography if you get your hands on one try using Snapbridge to backup the Z. Y can do jpeg or raw now. It eliminates the 2 card issue and Snapbridge is far far better these days. It works great in the background.
There is basically a Z6 inside the D780. With the exception of the Z lenses and in body stablization, the D780 can do anything the Z6 can do and a few things it can't. It even has face and eye recognition in live mode which you didn't mention in this video which is a really nice feature because the mirrorless research is backflowing to some of the DSLR's. I really think the DSLR is the best of both worlds. One of the reasons I was hesitant to lose the optical viewfinder is for action sports and moving subjects. You really can't shoot and see what is going on at the same time with the Z6. At least not at the upper end, shooting as quickly as the camera is designed to. You are looking at where the action was. You have a choice of either a blackout, or a sustain of the last image during this moment where the buffer is processing the last shot or the last burst, so in my opinion, the Z6 really isn't there yet, if it cannot follow the action without losing it while shooting rapidly. I that is not the kind of shooting you will be doing of course, this is not an issue. Honestly I don't need this much either, but I want to keep the option. I see very little downside with the DSLR. Yes it is bigger and heavier, but I am a man. I think I can handle it. It really is a hybrid between DSLR and Mirrorless because with live view mode, the mirror is locked up and you have a de facto mirrorless camera. I have made my choice. I am not saying I would never go mirrorless, but if the choice is between the Z6 and the D780, for me the answer is clear. And I will probably keep that 780 for the rest of my life. I may buy a mirrorless in a future generation to compliment the 780 at some point, but really the 780 does everything I need a camera to do and I am looking forward to it. Databyter
You make a lot of good points here. I don't mind the size of a DSLR either. I actually prefer it. Everybody that I know that I've switched really loves the mirrorless but I think the d780 is a nice compromise between both.
Thanks for the tip with westbury camera 👍
No problem! Happy to help!
Look at the urrig top mount mirror for your video... it actually works lol.
I saw that! Great solution for this problem!
It's funny that I have the pivoting screen on my D5200 but not my Z6. I like the Z and it's Eye AF along with IBIS but I found it struggles on fast-moving subjects. My daughter was a small swing like carousel, so she was spinning pretty fast. At first, the camera was doing pretty good then it struggled to keep up. I'm on firmware 2.0, so maybe 3.0 is better IDK. I like it but so far, don't think it's for sports. I hope that changes with later updates.
Remember it's their Stan at full frame mirrorless. I think the next round will be better.
I have to say, I was impressed yesterday taking photos of my daughters playing behind a bush. You could just make them out. I used the screen to focus on them and it did. It focused through the plant debris and they came in clear. I'm getting a better handle on getting the Z to focus.
That's great to hear. I think the more you use any camera the better you become at getting the image you want.
@@BillEricPhotography I have been patient with it as I know that most of the things I struggled with are not the camera's fault. I updated to 3.0 a couple nights ago and hope to try that out soon.
Just attatch an extra screen on top of your camera.
I know there are definitely workarounds but I'd like to keep everything as simple as possible. Now with the announcement of the new Canon R5 I am really wishing Nikon follows suit. Canon seems to be putting out the perfect camera for vlogging and photography with that one!
Great video as always Bill these two camera's sound amazing I've always been happy with my D5600 but lately I've been thinking about getting a full frame so with the release of the D780 prices for the D750 are very tempting would It be a worthy upgrade as the other two are out of my budget.
I think it would be. Actually if you really want to save some money check out the Nikon d610 it's only $800 right now and it's a very nice camera I used it for years.
@@BillEricPhotography thanks Bill will take a look at that.
@@paulk329 I shoot with a D750 it's a fantastic camera the images are great. I do use it for video (see my FB and YT) I use single point non continuous AF for video. To be honest I've used it for video pretty successful, the 1080 from it looks very nice. I just pick a contrast point within the frame AF then recompose - it's a technique I've used for over 5 years now.
You want to switch from crop to full frame, all your previous lens will be useless, so you start from scratch. Inhave a d750 and a z7, I m telling you, go Sony. Unbeatable eye tracking. The 2 things I dislike is the camera grip( on older model of sony) and the menu. But overhall, they are ahead of the game
Excellent comparison AND useful info.
Thanks Vimal! 😊
Nice vid .... have both d750 & d780 ... both great tried the z6 hmmmm .... d780 is a fab machine and get best of both worlds .... it will be a best seller ... price will go down and it will be a best seller .... love the d780 combo and most of all performance
It definitely looks like a winner. I am curious to see what Nikon does with the z line of cameras to combat Canon's R5 which looks perfect on paper!
The D5200 had a screen that flipped out.
08:40 We’ll thank goodness for that. How many wedding photographers, portrait photographers, documentary photographers and photojournalists need a side hinged flippy flappy take forever screen?
You and your fellow TH-camrs are the main reason we are burdened with these screens now. Most of us do not want them. Thanks
I use the flip screen to compose shots in places and angles that I would not be able to without seeing the screen. Whether I’m holding it high over my head, hanging it down from a bridge, or squeezing it into a tight spot, the screen lets me see what I am composing. It’s less for being able to see yourself and more for being able to compose in different orientations. For straight shots from eye level, no you would not need the screen to flip out.
Thank you for this video. You're a lifesaver.
Happy to hear that! Thanks for watching!!
The z Lenses are horrible to pull Fokus manual
I don't think that that would matter much to me but it's good to know. Thanks
For the money, Z6
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I’m in Bay shore !! Just thought it was cool your from the Island
We are both in Massapequa!
I am a traditionalist, I like the look and feel of the DSLR camera's, the nikon mirrorless camera's like the Z6 are ugly. I would be willing to upgrade to the new format, if the camera's looked better. They just lack the finesse of there better looking sibling DSLR's, time to break out the steroids and bulk the look. Skinny is not always nice.
Yeah it definitely takes some getting used to, you have to be comfortable with the look feel and ergonomics.
If to select then d780. Z6 is crap in Autofocus - no good.
That means you have never used the Z6. Its not a D500 or D850 for BIF's, but no way someone who has actually used the Z6 would say the AF is crap.
@@KungPowEnterFist Do we speak different languages here? Or do you just don't get it? Did I not make it crystal clear that the Z6 I used with FTZ adapter and my Nikkor 600mm 4.0 FL performed simply poorly in terms of Autofocus and this especially tracking? And that I am into Wildlife what means this is the area I tried it? Seems to be too difficult to accept that Nikon did a bad job here.
@@Stefan1968ful It is, because just this past weekend I took my Z6 and Sigma 150-600 on FTZ and I fired away nearly 1000 shots at tiny little birds in complex backgrounds and achieved about a 85% success rate. Im talking those fast little fockers golden hour, out for breakfast, constantly moving, tree to tree. Then I went down to the shore and I shot 500 or so images of ospreys and other slightly smaller white and black birds also dive feeding on cloudy backdrops. Closer to 80% success rate on that outing. I have shot similar scenarios with similar subjects on a D500 on numerous occasions. The AF is better on the D500 for sure, but will still not get 100% or even 95% success rates. Its more like 85%-90% on the D500, where in the same scenarios and subjects I get 80%-85% on the Z6. To say the Z6 is poor AF, is to say the D500 is below average. I am not saying that. You are. I will admit, however, the D500 (and cameras like it) is easier for a noob to pick up and achieve a higher success rate shooting wildlife. Shooting wildlife, especially BIF's, through an EVF is not for noobs. Im sure Nikon will eventually release a mirrorless camera with A9II-like subject tracking and people will all of sudden be like, OMG, Nikon nailed it...best AF ever. The reality will be 5%-10% better than the Z6, and $4500 vs $1700. The influencers will love it.
free88 Sorry to say but I need the best for my Wildlife work and Nikon cannot offer this with their mirrorless line. As simple as that. The Z6 may be good for a lot of things but not for Wildlife and here fast moving objects. That’s not my opinion, that’s what I experienced (and not only me). You cannot turn shit into gold.
@@Stefan1968ful 14k gold is still gold. You want 24k gold. That is fine. But what you are saying is that the Z6 is a bar of lead, and that is false. I dont speak for other people, because I am not a puppet. Good luck with your photography. I am sure you and "the others" get tons of great shots.
same thoughts
You won't have af with your 28-70 on a Z camera. And I can't use several of my older lenses on a Z. With a d780, the only lenses I can't use are z lenses.
I forgot about the way those older lens focus. That is definitely a consideration. I also have a 35mm f2 that won't work with the Z. Thanks for reminding me!
This is again just a commercial video. You talked about everything we knew already except the d780's af system for video. I think everybody is interesting about the question "is DSLR dead?" or did Nikon really a big development with this body and Nikon users can have now a DSLR camera with a perfectly working af system for video, too. If not, DSLRs are really dead or Nikon is already dead because Z6 and Z7 has also problems with eye tracking and face detection. I had Nikon system 10 years before and I see Nikon have done nothing through years to develop the af system for video. They didn't recognize the situation through the years that people want have something for their money. It's a shame. We live a customer society so I think companies should serve customer needs!! Canon, Sony are much better, and however I like the Nikon feeling in 2020 more important for people what to get for their money. Mirrorless system is a newborn at Nikon, too. It's also not perfect, and there are very expensive lenses for S line. It's not development, it's only a bone for dogs again.
Not sure what you mean bycommercial video. Bit I did talk about the video system and how the new autofocus system is the same as the z6. They have finally caught up with video.
The battle between consumers and camera manufacturers have been around for a long time. Even decades ago, photographers had been buying multiple film cameras of different brands/formats such as LF, MF and 135 to satisfy their needs. With DSLR for instance, I owned both Canon and Nikon cameras and lenses so that I could use the Canon 85 f/1.2 or Nikon 105 f/2.5 that either company will offer. I didn't have to wait for Canon response when I could shoot with my Nikon D300 and 14-24 f/2.8. If Sony ever becomes number one then it probably does what it does best, proprietary stuffs. Maybe triple Memory Stick slots or one SD/MS + MS slots, etc. since it fired its CEO and replaced by the company's CFO to fill the money pit from years of red inks. Of course, the money will come from the Sony product owners.😊
I thought this comment was a good one to post my thoughts on your video, Disney Image Makers...
to whit: I appreciate that your video isn't JUST a rehash of what we've already read about the d780. For me, at this convergence of available technology vs. my access to money/financing vs. my susceptibility (like everyone else...EVERYONE) to advertising vs. my Nikon d70s (yes, you read that correctly!) just dying so slowly, your video highlights the dilemma one faces at such a moment. To Kriszian, I say, I agree...there are so many "information campaign" videos out there (Jared, T&C, Hudson...ETC!!) This dude may just be click-baitin' us.! I call this the rabbit hole. I'm lost, frequently, in a rabbit hole of Nikon VS Sony (don't think I care for the ergonomics, color science (?) )VS Panasonic (don't forget them); then there's the rabbit hole of mirrorless VS dSLR...oh the madness, but then no pics are being taken while I wrestle with this First World problem ; )
Personally, I am leaning to the z6. Then I go look at everyone else's stuff. Then I find myself leaning to the z6, again. Then the d500 for birds deserves attention. Then the d780 comes out, so I guess I gotta wait to see what people think...the warren gets deeper and more circuitous!
I don't think this is a commercial video. I think he expresses very real concerns and thoughts, or at least I see myself struggling to spend my chits with the same thoughts and concerns. I think he should keep his d750, and augment his arsenal with the z6 or z7. I lean to the z6 for more manageable file sizes, IBIS, smaller physical presence (z50, anyone?), increased portability, and functionality with my three already-owned, arguably crappy Nikon lenses, and VIDEO!!!. I'm not a fan-boy, I tell myself, but I love the idea of pro-grade capable 4k for my river videos (I can't fathom not being a hybrid shooter in this amateur, pro-sumer age), supposedly much improved AF and tracking (I shoot birds), weather sealing (I kayak)...
...redrob, decide, soon...the Osprey return in March, and I can't bear missing another season.
Disney Image Maker, you didn't help me decide, so it isn't a consumer video...but you do highlight the dilemma. Thanks for reading the long-winded post!
The statement I am most curious about here is the "very expensive lenses for S line." Yes, the 58mm F0.95 is a pill to be sure. But the rest of the lenses are actually very well priced. Its not an ordinary 50mm f1.8 they are giving us with the S line. That lens is matching or exceeding lenses costing 2-8 times as much. Its an exceptional value when you consider the quality you are getting. Even the kit 24-70 f4 S line is a phenomenal deal at $600 combo price. That lens matches or exceeds lenses costing over 3 times that price, or 2 times the price at non-kit price. But this is the world we live in nowadays. In the age of information why do we all seem to be getting dumber and dumber every millisecond. I say if you dont like it then dont buy. But dont talk out your behind like you know something. 'Cause ya don't.
Z6 love it @walocortes
$450 plus difference in price is not similar, it's a lot!
If you’re spending nearly $2,000 on a camera then $450 shouldn’t really be a consideration, it should come down to the features and capability of each camera.
@@BillEricPhotography well, I am just pointing out to the statement being made that the price is similar when they are not. $450 plus dollars is about 25 percent of a $2000. that's a lot, not all people have an unlimited budget for a camera, to begin with especially for a beginner
I totally get what you are saying. But at this level of camera features and design usually dictate what you buy more then a price difference of $450. I know for me if I had to pick one of these today I would spend the extra money on the d780 because it has the features that I need. It's not perfect but out of the two it's the one I would go with even though it's more money. I have the ability to wait and use the camera I have so I'm not going to get either right now. That was kind of the point I was making.
@@BillEricPhotography I agree with all your arguments about why you choose the d780 over the Z6 because those are all valid points. everybody who has the same budget as you have will not think twice to go on the same board with you. I am just pointing out that there is a $450 price difference between the two which you try to downplay. You just can't hide the $450 under the rugs and pretend it does not even exist. the d780 is clearly superior to the Z6 in some aspects but pls don't hide the fact that all those advancements in the new d780 come with a price. I considered buying the d780 before but I have only a limited budget hence, I ended buying a Z6 instead. the d780 is about $3300 Canadian dollars after tax whereas the Z6 comes to $2560. The $740cad difference is beyond my budget for the camera. everyone has their own reasons but please don't tell us that $1800 is the same as $2200 right in our face.
Maybe what I should have said is they are very similar cameras but there is a price difference. I'm sure you are loving the z6, thanks for watching. Appreciate your input.
You talk so much. Shorten your spoken word by 80% and replace it with photos and videos.