Is the gender pay gap a myth?
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- The Wright Stuff panel discuss whether gender pay gaps really are discriminatory towards women with think tank expert Kate Andrews, who claims other factors like experience, time out for children and a reluctance to demand pay rises are to blame.
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Expert sits in the audience. Why?
Because that's what they do on this show. They have a few panellists for the entire episode, and then a few special guests in the audience who they speak to briefly on certain topics.
Experts don't want to be full time on this trash.
She's in the audience due to sexism. That's the only answer.
they put her in the audience because shes a nobody, only the stars get the comfy seats and a cuppa tea
Because she is a woman!
Expert or no expert, makes no difference.
She knows where is her place!
It is either that or she just wanted to be with her girlfriend who is by the way gorgeous looking.
"Men get all of the best jobs." No! Men get all of the WORST jobs. It's MEN that work down mines, sewers, on construction sites, collecting rubbish, on fishing trawlers and oil rigs, etc, etc.
Precisely why they get paid more. Danger pay, hard labour, shortened life expectancies, high expectation of overtime, long distance travel, confrontational co-worker environments, etc, etc.
There's also a strong case to be made for age of entry. A 15yr boy who drops out of school is, statistically, lightyears ahead in terms of physical potential than a 15yr girl who wouldn't be considered an appropriate hire in such harsh working environments especially because there are so many dodgy men who'd harrass a young woman.
It's not an easy overnight fix and to be honest I believe people outta take ownership of their own career paths. If I want to make more money, it rests on my own shoulders to get there. I don't look for unfair disadvantages to lobby for changes against, I look for my own advantages and take action.
Not just the hardest to work jobs but also the most dangerous ones. You don't see women lining up for those jobs do you?
Women want all of the benefits men enjoy while putting in less work and taking on zero risk. It's all bullshit
they're also high paying jobs
what a fantastic comment.
@@shimmer4771 if female dominated careers would get significantly higher pay, more men would choose it. Since women choose those job despite the low pay, why give them more money? We live in a capitalistic society and that is how a capitalistic society works.
If women get paid less for the exact same work, why would anybody who knows anything about economics ever hire a man? Women would fill every role. The reason they don't is because it isn't true.
Bingo..
It's the same reason. We don't value women the same. It's like saying, why would anybody buy a cheaper than over an expensive tv. We value name brands. People will buy a white t shirt for hundreds if Kanye sells it.
@@IamKnucks there's zero evidence. That a employer would employ a man to pay him more. When he could pay a woman less 😕 it was hard to type that comment cos it doesn't make sense. Money makes the world go round. People buy name brands for the quality. Same reason men do engineering and women do care work and social work. Women are more caring and men are better with their hands. Every building ever built much?
@@constantinvaldor3742 Only in a mad society you buy the same "product" to an higher price while you can have the same at less... It's insane. This simple thing shows that the "Gender pay gap" (as a result of a sexist discrimination) is a lie.
@Lydia Jade
Women have always networked better than men in my observation, both among themselves and with management in general. And there are all sorts of women only activities to help women get up to speed and excel. But women networking with men has been dealt a severe, if not deadly, blow by #METOO. You are shooting yourselves in the foot. Now you lost much of the benefits you had in networking and you further gave men a really good reason to prefer men to women. Hiring and promoting women may be just too risky a proposition. There's far less risk in hiring and promoting a less qualified man who will bring much less potential legal risk to the business. And he's much more likely to put in more hours and more sustained years as a result of different choices regarding family.
"How do you explain a 9% gap between what men earn and what women earn?"
Men work 20% more hours.
Correlation is not causation.
stevo728822 beautifully summed up, that’s one of the major things you can take from this video and topic.
stevo728822 Where did I hear this? Was it Ben Shapiro?
@@xelio9050 One of the most basic principles of statistics which you have to consider, always
Correlation is also not caucasion.
Adam Beasley lmao true
Kate's pretty awesome. Intelligent and holds her ground with a strong foundation of real facts. I'm hopeful that Kate will be going far and being another voice of reason in the world.
Are u serious @Pax00Imperium she’s a disgusting and disgraceful woman. She shoots down other women who are trying to make a difference. She’s catty and she’s not helping women. Watch her interview with the mp about the Pay Me Too Campaign. Then you’ll see her true colours...
Teddy Trenowden, I saw that interview, Kate Andrews was spot on, it's disgraceful to try and co-opt a sexual abuse scandal to whine about a wage gap that only exists due to women's personal life choices. If there's this massive discrimination against women in regards to pay, how come women out-earn men up until their 30s? The reason for a pay gap after that age is obvious, as women will often *make the choice* to raise children in their 30s).
Kate does help women, she tells them the truth.
I did, and that's why I like her. She at the least is being honest about the fact the stats that are being collected that some use to drive the Wage Gap myth is misleading at the very least if not completely lacking in amount of data to find what is actually going on.
I didn't wholly agree with her sentiments here but when every where else is this pervasive sucking of the oxygen from the room when you point out the myth that is the Wage Gap, it's refreshing to see someone trying to have an honest discussion.
At the bottom end of it all, you'll simply see individuals making different choices in their life. And that can be verified very clearly with how Sweden has put in place so much to help women in the work force yet still some jobs are largely done by men and some jobs are largely done by women. People make different choices. To punish or ascertain unfairness from a lack of mathematical fairness based on percentages from stats alone will not do.
Pax00Imperium
I guarantee that if she knew that men she work with earned twice as much as her she as a woman would turn into the women who are complaining.
cheeckybutnice, no, she'd simply sue her employers, as paying women less for the exact same job is illegal.
"I've got loads of friends that work just as hard" - source: trust me bro
Hahahaah
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Shhh,, you're giving up MSM sources lol
Source: Her friends
the problem SHE does not know if they work just as hard, if all see is there pay check and men are higher, but you dont see MEN work 20 percent MORE hours then it changes your view.
Certain white blokes.
Can you imagine....
"Certain black women" being said on this?
or if you really want the polar opposite you would have to turn "bloke" into 'chick'
Elliot Smith exactly that mate. I was trying to think of a word that was opposite without being jumped on offensive, but Chick is the one.
No because "certain black women" won't make any sense because how many black women are CEOs of big businesses in England? Acknowledging race isn't racist lol. Certain white blokes do prefer to hire someone that looks like them. This however isn't gender based discrimination but more racial discrimination
Mae Runway OK then
Let's say "a certain community" are responsible for most knife crime in London. Does that sound OK?
Not really does it.
Or a "certain community" that commits terrorist attacks. We all can generalise. The vast majority of homeless people I see on the streets are white blokes.
"we don't CHOOSE to go into low paying work!" My ex went for her master's, and spent better than 50k in student loans, in order to get a job that starts at 35k a year...because she really liked social work.
I think she also probably knew that the man in her life would bring the money and she had the luxury to do what she wants. I have always had to do what I needed to do to support the family and never had the luxury to do what I want.
"Men need to step up to the plate"
How so, if the wife took the plate and the children in the divorce?😂
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how a mind of a woman works is its always your fault no matter what. What they want is someone to take all their responsibilities but they dont want any of the consequences.
I feel like this is such an INSULT to all the brave men who died in the wars to protect women. Feminists of this day and age are so selfish, its actually disgusting
The most profitable career path for woman is to marry a billionaire and divorce him.
Is the pay gap a myth?
Yes. Let's address a few things here everyone on the panel didn't address....
1) businesses exist to make money. If there were women equally as good at the job as a man but, the pay gap myth were in fact a reality, men wouldn't get hired in the overwhelming majority of cases (bucks before bros)
2) this is something no feminist will ever bring up... In the u.s. men make up around 97% of work-related deaths. I would dare say that number doesn't budge much anywhere around the civilized world. Why is this??
A: because men are the ones who build everything. The houses you live in, the roads you drive on, the office buildings you work in and they install the plumbing, the electrical etc. They also do the multitude of dangerous, deadly & unpleasant jobs women can't or won't do. Jobs where you get really dirty, jobs where you can fall to your death or get crushed or electrocuted. If anyone has ever watched several episodes of the deadliest catch, how many women are working the decks of those crab boats? Yep. None.
These jobs pay better than typing on a keyboard in an office for a reason.
General Zod lol surprised that nobody has gotten triggered over this and commented on your comment
No need to get triggered when it is true......and deep down you know it.
@@joshuaweaver5316I'm still surprised after 10 months there's still no triggered comment below him.
They work in an office where climatisation is sexist against Them.
@Adam Beasley I am not triggered...
'Certain White Blokes'. The virtue signalling is strong in this one Obi Wan. What an embarrassment. Glad I'm not him and can wake up with a clear conscience.
by his own logic his race and gender should disqualify him from giving his opinion. he should get off that seat and give it to a black woman. be the change you want to see in the world.
But what he said was completely true. Employers do show a bias to the white community. There are many credible studies that showcase this,
Forza Ac Milan are there?
Guiness No, I went state school.
+Broken Silence There are. This is why people throw around the concept of white privilege all the time.
How long are we going to have to put up with this gender pay gap myth? It’s getting tedious now
it's still going on...
it is pure crap!!!@@@
@@tdog6374 No tom, it's not
It'll keep happening until feminists see all men behind bars.
Tom: **FEMINIST.EXE has activated**
Debate Jordan Peterson. Any one of you on the panel. Or, to make it fair, all four of you can try to pimp your false narrative at him at once. You'll still fail.
In fact, they could get the entire audience to weigh in on the debate against him and he would still win.
To be fair, the guy on the left was being a pretty good moderator for an informal debate.
They aren't all pimping anything. They expressed popular opinions that are misguided and Jordan Peterson has experience and knowledge to contradict what they think they know.
Juil Yes. He scared me at first with his dangerous remark about fairness, but he wasn't like the moron on the right.
He was on the Wright stuff this morning
2:18 WHAT? does this women listen to herself? it shouldn't matter that you are crap at negotiation a better pay? How exactly should that play out? "Well you have given me absolutely no reason to do so but here's your raise anyway?
Precisely, a company would happily pay their workers in bread crumbs if it was realistic. When you're a valued worker who is needed, they want you to be satisfied enough not to leave, some men are also not good negotiators and they don't get better pay either, because it's not like your employer is going to come up to you and say "well thanks for working for us, here's a raise that you didn't even ask for". If you're bad at negotiating, that sucks, it really does, try to get help with that and good luck in the future but don't blame people for being better off
Because, erm, eh, feelings that's why. She lacks the cognitive ability to construct a sentence, so a reasoned argument is an impossibility.
I don't wanna be "that guy" but companies DO give pay rises if an employee's performance throughout the fiscal year warrants it. Of course you should still be negotiating the "big deal" cases where you're severely underpaid for the value you provide.
lets use another uk example. wimbledon. the prize money for winning in both men's and women's tournaments is equal. except women play best of 3 and men play best of 5. shouldn't the women perform equal work for their equal pay?
If they really want equality then let the women try to compete with men at Wimbledon. If they really believe in equality there is no reason to have a separate male and female tournament.
You are forgetting a little rule that applies to sport. Men's sport generates more money than women's. That is reflected in the difference in payouts. Also applies to a number of professions as well.
Would be a different story if the Grand Slams weren't held simultaneously...lets see how many attend a womens match in an exclusively womens tournament.
@@dimirockeropoulos6104 no tit wouldnt. Men sports are just more popular bc they are far better. Men are stronger faster and more trained. Have you seen the female football World cup ?? They play like 15 year old boys in district tournaments
True that.. being from india no one like to wat h women cricket. The field is made half the size. Stupid fielding errors. Dropped catches. Well then how do you expect to make revenue when there is No entertainment.
She made a good point about her female friends with similar jobs to their husbands being assumed to be the main carers for the children ...however if those women split from their husbands guess who will get custody, child benefits, the family home and ongoing payments from their ex?
Wanting all priviledges but none of the responsibilities.
That is the mantra.
So much discrimination by extrapolating anecdotes, this is the nature of feminist analysis. Or rather: make up stuff, invent a conspiracy to make yourself look a victim so you can demand what you wanted in the first place, but without the hard work and responsibility.
@Entrenched Mgtow I'm a woman and agree with you 100%.
I tried to offer my wife equal sharing of the "stay home with kids". When she realized that she had to works as much as me, to make the same money, she quickly said that I could work, and she could stay home with the kids... She had the control, and she made the choice (as always in Sweden). We work at the same job by the way, but I work a hell of a lot more, that's the difference.
why the fuck is she boiling it down to schools asking for a parents number lmao
'cause she's a fucking idiot. I'd like to know how much she gets paid. Whatever it is, it's too much.
Middle class first world third wave feminist problems.
Haha that was hilarious
Men not being considered as an emergency contact is discrimination against women. #logic
Because she has confused individual responsive actions, with collection solution methods. Soon as she said "My female friends" you knew there was going to be some overused trite 'bubble-speak' soundbite coming out which was essentially meaningless on the context of the debate. You can have more than one emergency contact number it isn't illegal! Problem Solved!
Kate is a great example of a strong minded, intelligent and considerate lady :) it seems no one here actually listened to what she said yet she heard their points and countered them all
Because what she said is bs 😂😂 she’s trying to bring this “gender pay gap” and maternity leave and try put them together 😂😂 the truth is most women want to be the ones in a relationship that take the 6 months to a year off with the child and I’ll put money on it if the maternity leave was the same amount of money the woman would be crying to be ones that get the time of 😂😂 you really think they wanna be at work while your at home looking after the new born 😂
"old etonians hire old etonians". That's a class issue mate, not a gender issue. Finally someone touches on the conversation we should be having and no one picks him up on it. FFS
And considering that etonians would make up a minute percentage of the UK population - not really relevant tbh.
The working classes hate the middle classes because they have money, and yet the working classes don't save. They don't plan for their futures. They don't teach their children to put money away. They live from paycheck to paycheck and spend thousands on stuff they don't need. Why do you think primark exists? The middle classes are frugal and Conservative by nature.
@@jozigirl7114 interesting point. Migrants from certain cultures where they are very frugal end up having more wealth than the native working class very quickly
"Is the gender pay gap a myth?" Yes, next question.
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I mean yeah it exists. But its not because of discrimination against one gender lol.
Kate Andrews is so good at staying calm and collected during heated debates. I'm quite amazed.
Kate is awesome, finally a someone who knows what their talking about,you go girl✊🏽
These people think all the so called best jobs are a breeze - men and women that work in these high end top well paid jobs get absolutely thrashed! They literally work 12 hours a day 6/7 days a week who would even want to do that? They often sacrifice family and social time to focus on reaching the top - I’d like a discussion on why anybody would want that lifestyle but I suspect more men than women are prepared to sacrifice these things for the single pursuit of being at the very top
Bradley Cannicott Thank you!!! I remember Jordan Peterson made a similar statement as well.
The point where you majorly jump from a significant role to an even more significant role is probably the biggest change in lifestyle and security for a lot of people. Even someone who's say been a supervisor somewhere for a few years on an average of 27-28k a year, suddenly gets the chance to be the manager on a 40K+ salary. They will have had a pay-rise of a 1/3 extra of what they already earn. Which affords them opportunities they didn't have before e.g childcare/investment in extra curricular activities for their kids, holidays, or anything else extra they wanted to do over the years post getting the job. So that is the balance versus the long hours over more than 5 days a week. When they get the time off they have the means to really do something with it. Some people would prefer the extra time off rather than the extra money/work, Just depends what you prioritise, but if you are going for a job of higher responsibility it will affect your life outside of work whether you like it or not. The upshot is being able to retire early and having loads of free time + a good pension/financial security. That's the end reward (assuming you live to your twilight years of course)
Exactly!! It's a number games pure and simple. You got over 100x the men compared to women who are willing to sacrifice their lives, no wonder a gap with who has the top jobs exists.
Equality of outcome is all that is being preached by the feminists here. Load of garbage.
You can't have Equality of Outcome though without Equality of Participation. They want to skip to the ends without going through the means (or want guys to do that part for them) and funnily enough we have our own ideas on the matter. You can have all the 50-50 targets you want, but you can't force women to go into certain jobs/careers and so there is always going to be a gender imbalance whichever way it dips. You can't just focus on the ones that are dipped towards men and not the ones dipped towards women. That's just favouritism not equality of wealth distribution by Gender across the board.
2:24 “Saying we are a bit rubbish at negotiating salaries, but that shouldn’t matter!”
*THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO WITH IT!*
Men have to negotiate salaries to get more money out of the jobs they’re getting, so why shouldn’t women? Saying that negotiations aren’t a factor is a blatant lie
“Is it discriminating against women or discriminating against ‘with kids’?” “It’s both, isn’t it?”
Come on, it’s more likely the ones with kids. How many women with children %-wise are as willing and as able (if not more) to work 50-60 hour workweek as men? If it’s more profitable for a company to hire Person A than it is to hire Person B, of course the company is going to hire Person A.
I have to agree with Kate from another interview: “Men should take more parental leave.” And I believe men should be able and allowed to on a culture wide level. If you want equality, don’t shame men for taking paternity leaves.
Kristian Thomsen work is work you work 1 hour you get money you don’t work 1 hour you get no money women with kids choose to not work there hours so they get no money it’s as simple as that
If a man takes paternity leave, his career value plummets. If they split it between both mum and dad, both their career values plummet.
Then what?
It would take years for then to rebuild their value again.
Also hours at work Matthew. It has been illegal to pay men and women differently since 1970. Women are kicking off with supermarkets about 2 groups of workers who are not even doing the same job and as someone who has worked warehouse and shop floor they are very different jobs . With regards senior roles Harvard Business Review study showed majority of women do not want to be in directorships due to increased stress and responsibilities. That is not me saying that but HBR with verified statistics.
Imagine truly believing when she earns more money than a man, then it's because she deserved it.
The moment she makes less money, it's discrimination.
2:17 Girl - "that bloke was right...."
that bloke - Jordan Peterson
one statistic - retirement age - if my wife and i do the same job and work the same hours for the same pay - you still end up with a pay gap because she gets her pension at 65 an i have to carry on until 67 (probably longer).
This creates a pay gap between my wife and I, even if we get paid the same.
The first and easiest way to balance out the pay gap is to raise retirement age for woman so its the same as men and women should vote for this if they want equal pay.
I've always wondered if this is ever modelled in to the statistics. My guess is not!
The stats do mdel it, but the feminists just use median vs median which don't take it into account. They are just lying to everyone by using incorrect figures.
I'm assuming your talking about the UK. But apparently they are raising the retirement age to suit men's... And there's a group called Justice for Women or something who are campaigning against it.... They only want equal rights when it's in their favour lol
thornburn1989 what a joke, at least there are people who are aware feminism has nothing to do with equality.
You forgot one crucial fact. Women and men both pay into pensions at equal rates. Yet woman retire earlier and live longer than men. In other words women use a bigger slice of the pension pie. There should be a correction factor applied.
yep this pay gap is getting out of control. should pay women models and porn stars less.
They're getting less. Because ppl like you watch p0rn for free and don't pay for it. In the past they shot movies on different places in the world, were creative. Now it's fukking on a couch everytime. Because the industry has no money like they used to.
80% more women get apparently, but that’s down to supply and demand which I’m ok with, just like male sports stars get a lot more than women with with bigger audiences. I don’t know why women can’t accept that things like this will happen and therefore equality won’t happen in these scenarios
As. White male with no experience or ability to be a CEO I am being discriminated against because I have nerves been given a “top job”. I am sure there are more men passed over for promotion pro-rata than women applying or fighting for the same jobs.
There are more women in executive jobs than there are men - but that's supposedly still "not enough"
All I know is that when I look out my window at the world, bridges, energy infrastructure, transport, buildings and all the maintenance thereof everything is the result of men. Women are great at caregiving towards children.
The world that I observe isn't confusing at all.
you probably have not learnt much about science and engineering. While the majority of notable scientists and engineers are male there is also a large amount of female scientists that have led to inventions in fields such as medicine, biology, computer science and nuclear.
Exactly and Sweden is the proof of this.. we are not a reflection of our society, our society is actually a reflection of us that is the way it's always been.
These crazy people think that women and men are forced into certain roles by society, that our society shapes us but our roles are defined by our natural behaviours which then in turn shapes society...
Woman are naturally more modest, caring, quite and supporting, while men naturally want to protect, lead, fight, build and invent...but having different roles doesn't mean we have different value... people really need to understand this.
In fact woman are much better in many areas than men....and vice versa, so it's not a weakness that we're different, it's actually a strength because we are a perfect fit together. It means we all are good a something.... it's not a competition against each other, it's more of a team effort to get the best end results for everyone why can't people just accept this.
My wife is up a turbine now
@@normalguyhere
Exactly....
If you look through phone or tablet screen you will see a different world - Instagram, tik-tok lots of wasted time to impress people you don’t know and fool yourself 🙄
I can't decide whether these people are pushing this for political tactics or if they really believe this shit.
I always find these interesting, one thing I notice is they never propose a solution. The reason being is we have equal pay already, so the only option is to discriminate and pay men less.
I also notice there is never mothers on the show bemoaning having to stay home with the kids and not be able to work.
In my experience, I have 3 children, oldest being 7. My partner (female) hasn't worked since the first was born. I have always been in charge of providing. I can hand on heart say I couldn't do what she does, but, she would say the same about doing what I do.
The example always goes to the CEOs that are on big money, never the bin man or labourer. This isn't about equality, it is about being superior.
The truth is that a lot of male bosses don't hire females because it only takes one bad experience with a sexual assault claim to look for any reason you can not to hire a woman.
I know a few girls with rich AF Dad's who just honestly told me he won't hire women in his office because he's been accused of sexual assault before.
Yes, the spoiled little girls who have an entitlement complex - my brother has his own company - doesn't hire unmarried women under the age of 30 having that particular nightmare played out in his office (not against him personally) which cost his company thousands.
People will declare practically anything they can get away with in this woke pronoun society.
Obviously they have to have SOME evidence but it's usually not massively convincing.
"You've got certain white blokes at the top and they keep trying to replicate it." As Christopher Hitchens would say, "Name one."
I worked in Employee Compensation for 42 years in several different industries, and I never detected a significant difference in men's pay and women's pay who performed the same jobs. In fact, women have been running HR for the last 30 years (e.g. women hold 80% to 100% of the jobs in any given HR department), which includes Employee Compensation. If there is a problem with pay disparity, why haven't they fixed it.
I’m a man and I would never want to be the CEO of a company working 80+ hours a week. It just so happens that type of job commands a very high wage and that it’s usually men who wish to sacrifice their social and family lives in persist of it.
The video description is plain wrong or deliberately misleading: ''Kate Andrews, who claims other factors like experience, time out for children and a reluctance to demand pay rises are to blame''
There's no 'do you believe there is a gender pay gap' question! It is not an opinion, it is a fact that it doesn't exist
I worked in HR for years across many organisations.
Not once was a job advertised with a salary attached to it, only to be modified once a woman/man was appointed.
She admits women are rubbish at negotiating pay rises - but it shouldn't matter. Women should just be given them, shouldn't they? Because they can do everything men can do .. except for ..
the number of years of work, hours worked, the most dangerous/disgusting jobs ...
Also - nobody mentions the other 'gap' - time with the children. Who's getting to experience all those 'milestones'? The first .. whatevers .. that are supposed to be so magical.
Who do children tend to go to first for help/support? Share those moments with? But that's not something that so many men are missing out on?
Let's have equal leave, and equal expectations .. and see what the reaction to that is.
STATISTICS ISNT DISCRIMINATION!!! There are more animals than people on Earth, Earth is discriminatory towards people. Statistics and discrimination have nothing to do with each other.
Statistiques : un average, each human have one testicle and one ovarie...
I love how the UK people keep dodging the fact that men work more hours, take more risks than women while women prefer to be at home nurturing for their children
Because they are better at it
1:53 Is that West Ham's stadium in the background?
Yay football!
Hi!
School personal calls first moms. How does this event affects salary between man and woman.
regardless of her stance being right or wrong, she has such a warm, addictive smile.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data"
This is such a good discussion.. usually this would get shut down. Props to all of them for having a civilised discussion
Why is this under Jeremy vine on 5 when its clearly from Matthew Wrights time?
Yes; next question, please.
An unfiltered pay gap can only quantify how much men and women make. It's simply unable to qualify any percentage as discrimination. But its unfiltered nature does have significant consequence for the "gender pay gap" narrative itself.
Suppose the unfiltered pay gap is around 20%. It then follows that men earn about 55% of all income. Calculation: where men earn 100, women earn 80; together they earn 180; 100/180 = 55,56%.
So... an unfiltered pay gap of 20% only describes a practice where men's earnings deviate a mere 5,56% from a 50/50 split. The horror.
It does not describe a practice where women earn 20% less for the same job. That's a blatant lie. It doesn't even care about any 50/50 split. That's where the ideologues come in to tell that lie. But it's still a lie.
You should look at who the money is spent ON. Women's clothes, shoes, toiletries, hairdressing etc. , way more than is spent on men. That's in the private sphere.
When you look at public spending 2/3 of healthcare spending is on women and twice as much on their state pensions. The average man will make a positive contribution to the national finances over his life-time, while the average woman's contribution is negative.
True.
Sorry for editing the shit out of my original comment though. It now looks as if yours doesn't relate to mine. But be assured that it did. Again, I'm sorry.
This is the smartest version of the argument I’ve seen yet. There are good points on both sides, and it gets beneath the surface.
In the case of the mock application, they would have to also send CVS from single women Vs single men with custody of children CVS. My best mate is a bloke and he has had full custody of his daughter since she's been 1 years old. She's 17 now. He's battled hard as anyone to keep them housed and fed.
The Kate from the sky news interview ;)
I love how she talks :)
As a mortician, I can confirm that I’m not working the “best job”, but I love it so much and I’m fortunate to have it
This girl knew her stuff! Respect!
its so weird people always talk about do you believe in the gender pay gap... like its an religion.. something you believe or not.. when there is sufficient data acquired yearly that proofs there is not a gender pay gap in the sence that a women gets paid less for the same work.. look at the amount of hours made on average (keep the average in mind, mind you) by women and by men and look at the career choices they make. then you see factually there is no gender paygap where women get paid less for the same work (highly illegial btw and would end up in court) but there are choices in carreer and workhours men and women make differently on average.
if feminist want to change that then they should try to promote different careers to female students and indeed try to persuade them not to take such times off after starting families
But if the current breed of feminists persuade young women into STEM fields, then no one will be able to take gender studies and spread the gospel.
omg dont get me started on gender studies as a curriculum. those so called professors of genderstudies are nutcases.
inventing a course they can make up as they go along. as there is not a shred of proof needed. even proof denied as long as it suits their ridiculous narrative.
if those people get more grip on the education system as they do already then the lindsey sheppard case would not be stand alone
Where is nursing “low pay work?” Every nurse I know makes a pretty decent living.
i'll tell you what is low pay work though, construction labour who earn minimum wage to carry concrete blocks around in freezing cold and rain lol...
@@Writeous0ne I worked as a laborer in construction for a while and made like $16 an hour
@@Glitchfaction Ok. In Britain labourer jobs are generally minimum wage here. BUt still you get the point, women arent lining up to lift concrete around in winter.
Some very interesting points made here
The men who are at the top also tend to be workaholics, they live and breath the job and do nothing but work 80+ hours a week; they sacrifice family, friends and a life outside of work to reach the top. There are not many women in those roles because not many women are willing to do what it takes to get to those roles.
2 crews of disposal operative round my end
No females
Thats trash talk! 😂
Yes. Next.
2:40 "We don't choose to go for low paid work".
"We choose only to cry about it and not fix it"😂
It's also not true. Women on average are less likely to move for a better paying job, less likely to work outside for more money, less likely to work in a dangerous field for more money, and less likely to take a better paying job than one which pays less but is more enjoyable. So yes, compared to men women actually do choose to go for lower paid work on those criteria. But it's an average. Any individual woman can choose not to make those decisions and make more money. In fact, women who don't have a family and kids are promoted faster and earn more than men who do the same. That's why the earnings gap increased hugely around the age of thirty - that's when women leave the workforce with babies on average.
Kate seems to have a much stronger ability to understand data than the woman on the panel. I’d pay her more than the panelists for what that’s worth.
Who is this woman arguing that gender pay gap is a myth? This is one smart woman who is so refreshing to listen to because she talks sense. Respect.
I think the simple reality is, one that not many people actually want to address, is that all things being fair men should be earning more. If men and women are earning an equal amount, that would indicate quite clearly that the men are being handicapped somehow.
My children's school always call me if there is an issue.
"I shouldn't have to take responsibility for making myself worth more. I should just be considered worth more"
WTF
It's about time ,someone came out with real numbers ,and this young is it. She's knows what's she's talking about
My company is trying aggressively to promote female talent into executive management roles. The problem is too many of them aren't interested. I mean, they want the money that's not the issue. What they don't want is the time commitment that promotion entails - coming in early and staying late, every day.. the weekend work.. being on call when you're technically off.. having to be available on short notice, including for travel and being away from home for several days. The so-called ceiling women hit is more like a door they're unwilling to walk through because they don't like what they see on the other side. For most of them their children is their priority and that's incompatible with reaching the highest levels at their job.
my dad worked as a weilder and pipe fritter at an oil refinery
my mom works as a massage therapist
they're paychecks wont look the same
there is a pay gap, but it involves the job and the hours involved in that
They have done studies on the way males and females are graded at schools and have found that if names are removed from tests, the males do better then when the names are added. This indicates that males are discriminated against at school level which would go a long way to explain the gap between males and females at school, yet this is never addressed. Meanwhile we are constantly looking at this pay gap and despite it being explained over and over, we are STILL focused on it.. What a world
"People don't choose to go into low paid work"... I am an Australian and due to government decisions, where my work streAm had been curtailed, I WAS FORCED INTO LOW PAID WORK......
Started my current job at the same time as a female co-worker (same position). Both of us are up for promotion next month and I asked for a raise and she didn't. Now I earn 10k more than she does. Our management team is 100% female. I seriously wonder if woman tend to be less bold regarding asking for wage increases?
I would of loved to hear more from this young lady. She is pretty spot on if people listen to what she is trying to say. Not on what the panel are saying, talking over her.
Why is the video cut right after he made a legit point?
Assuming it exists how do you solve it ?
When you consider all the facts, there is not much of a problem left. And that goes for many issues. Sadly.
I've never met a woman that wanted to work until the retirement age.
Grafting with the ‘phone number’ suggestion lmao
Milton Friedman handled this debate with a young lady many years ago. He said a woman demanding she get paid the same as man allows a sexist employer to only hire men and not be penalized. Also left out of the statistics are that men usually work overtime to provide for their family and many already have high paying jobs such as skilled trades.
I love how Kate thinks. I love it
This (American) guest is 100% correct.
Have you noticed how the desire for women is to be represented equally at the upper echelons of businesses?
I think that men know that if they don't get the good jobs, they will have to do the bad jobs, because we have to work and provide, so we strive for tye top. I don't think women face the same reality in the workforce.
I know this is anecdotal, but, why is it when you see women working on road crews (pick one, any one, it doesn't matter) they're always directing traffic and not doing any of the hard work? I'm Andy not Annmarie!
I've been a slaughter man, a trawler man and worked installing crash barriers on motorways.In all that time I've never seen one woman apply.I've lost 4 workmates along with countless with injuries.Equality is a fantasy unless it doesn't involve getting your hands dirty.
Why would you say on your job application that you have two children?
well spoken
The road to the top is a toll road. A fairly obvious indication it isn't discrimination is that we're always talking about the extremely wealthy; CEOs, elite actresses, elite sportspeople, elected politicians. Once you're earning over 100k I don't think you're still allowed to hold an oppression card.
Do these figures take in account part time working hours and i suppose work ethics in general.
There's a colored eye pay gap, height pay gap, language pay gap, age pay gap, body type pay gap, etc...
Why are we still talking about this. Hasn't it been over a year since this topic was brought up and demythed?
kate andrews is very knowledgable and informative. it's painful to watch her try to reason with people who just scream back at her and won't listen.
Do they take the mortality rate among men on the work floor into the equation?
How come no one brings up the Honelessness and Suicide Gaps where Homelessness and Suicide are much, much higher for men than for Women.?
Kate's very professional 👏 and well informed i find