Me and my wife earn the same per hour. We don’t have kids. We both bought houses before we married and have kept our assets separate due to taxation reasons. I take home 3 times more than she does. I have 6 times more capital than she does. She works half the hours I do. She spends 3 times more per month than I do. She uses all her holiday and sick benefits from her job. I still have last years holiday sat in my benefits balance and 4 years of unused sick benefits. We work for the same company at the same level. Three people part share her job roll responsibilities. In statistical roll reviews i out perform her team on my own by 14%. I regularly work overtime and get double pay for doing it and I’m still cheaper to employ due to the volume of work than my wife’s team. This is due to the fact I don’t have to have a meeting with my self to tell me what I’ve been doing while the other half of me wasn’t at work. Her team have that meeting 3 times a week. Gender pay gap. Life choices.
I see and experience this all the time. Only a fortnight ago, one of our engineers returned from 18 months paid maternity leave and has spent her 3 days a week handing out promotional items, talking about her experiences as a new parent, and planning a company-wide breakfast for international women’s day, with guest speakers focusing on women entering executive positions (which I won’t be attending). It’s one thing to be provided the choices and freedoms to have flexible working arrangements, it’s another thing entirely to moan about not being paid the same as those who don’t. Something about eating cake...
"This is due to the fact I don’t have to have a meeting with my self to tell me what I’ve been doing while the other half of me wasn’t at work." the only reason you don't have that meeting is because you are oppressively patriarchal . Obviously the solution is to force you to have that meeting. and take notes.... and distribute them to the meeting participants. In triplicate And if you don't do that then you are a misogynist ... or something
@@kingsalami80 It's all perspective man. So what you are saying is that he doesn't enjoy his life? C'mon man that's the point, SHE does what SHE does because SHE wants to, HE does what HE does because HE wants to. I love working because to me it makes my leisure time more enjoyable. Other people are allowed to think differently than that, but there are consequences; manifested in pay differences.
Skill, difficulty and danger are all multipliers for income. People who may not have above average skills take on the other 2. I get paid more working in warehousing than someone in low level retail because my job is more physical and the environment is harsher - heat in summer, cold in winter, dirtier and greater chance of injury. So when recent news reports on comparing different value roles and the efforts trying to equalise pay rates claiming sexism www.spectator.com.au/2019/02/unequal-work-equal-pay-because-you-feel-you-deserve-it/ it pisses me off. My experience is that I have seen discrimination - against men. When you have the women on the same pay rate as you while they are pushing around a trolley picking orders and you're in the back of a 40ft shipping container unloading it box by box, who is the one really getting shafted? Or when they get the same as you, but you're doing part of their job for them because they aren't capable of doing something expected of an average male. Women throw gender equality out the window when it comes down to doing the heavy lifting. They suddenly become really nice and ask you to do it for them.
We need to stop sacrificing ourselves for these entitled and ungrateful women. Let them do all the uncomfortable and dangerous work for a few extra dollars. Get that money you gold digging wench
Or the most souls eating... I code a lot, and once a year I think that it's not worth it. When you work that late ours and then are punished by managers and co workers either you miscalculated and got late or you're just dumb you are supposed to get that task done within minutes... well YES I want that money at least.
And I'm living proof. Find me a woman who is both willing and qualified to swing a chainsaw 70' off the ground dangling from a rope you climbed up while carrying the weight of your gear. Brutally hard work, life-threateningly dangerous. So much so, in fact, that I left that industry to get into the office because I had to (it's a young man's game). Right now I'm taking a 30 second break from work to type this reply. Check the timestamp. I'll be working through the night tonight and through the day and night tomorrow to get this work done, all with a 5 hour round trip drive in less than 6 hours on no sleep by myself. Find me a woman who would do any of the things I've mentioned. Find me one. Just one.
Don't ever use the arguments defending one leftist ideology when discussing a different ideology. Those are each specially tailored to only apply to its specific issue. Sometimes I think you people weren't even paying attention in your gender studies classes...sheesh...
i call bullshit.. due to a bullshit premise despite your excellent reasoning of logic in an emotionally based biased premise devised by those who're ruled mentally by it. great one
Its clear since 2015 that the LEFT and FEMINISM is NOT and will NEVER be about Truth Facts Honestly its about bringing about GLOBAL SOCIALISM and the destruction of western society, free speech and western marriage
Just look at the panel. It's all women. If it were a panel of men talking about men's issue, ther'd be outcry "SEXISTS! HOW CAN YOU BE ALL MEN! Not a single woman!!"
In Australia the average full time male worker works 40 hours a week. The average full time female works 36 hours a week. This 10% difference in hours worked is NEVER brought up in mainstream discussions about the gender pay gap.
G Crockford I think this was done deliberately. Some of the arguments the panel put forth might not have been as well received coming from a male speaker. Just a guess though.
Earl Greystoke that’s next weeks ideology, this week it’s just about discrimination against women . A time table of flavour of the day men hating policies will follow shortly ....
Upper middle class white front bums with and axe to grind . Look out . Most of not all would have voted for Maggie back in the day as a good thing but 30 years on they’re scratching their heads and blaming men for introducing individual contracts where the more aggressive individuals get paid more . Smh
Men are excluded because the women on the panel do not want to hear the male perspective or ask the simplest questions : doesn't lower pay for the same qualifications result in a hiring advantage ? If women do the same job, the hiring process would favor the candidates willing to do the job for lower pay
@@GK-op4oc isn’t that how conversations in congress about abortion and women’s sexual health has been for decades? A panel filled with primarily men discussing what women should or shouldn’t do with their bodies. But u little boys wanna cry when there’s a harmless debate about gender with a panel of women with absolutely no legislative power? Keep crying snowflake
Where is the part where they talk about workplace dangers and death and how those industries are dominated by men? Why aren’t the women on these panels demanding higher workplace deaths for females? Odd.
Weird that something like Uber, a completely automated system that doesn't know or care about the sex of employees, ended up "paying men more." There is no pay gap, there is an earnings gap. Men who drove for Uber worked for a longer period of time, worked more regularly, worked longer hours, worked at less convenient but more lucrative times, were more efficient with the number of passengers they served over the time they worked, and more. Thus, they earned more money. Simple. Feminists hear this and assert that Uber's system is sexist. Realists hear this and wonder why men, who are actually better employees in measurable ways, are getting paid at the same rate as women who are demonstrably worse.
@@alegriart Look Janice, men and women are different. They can do different things. And as such, perform differently in work. All that stuff John Doe says about men willing to work the hours is true, and that itself *shows* they're better. But only at that job and others that run under the same principle concept. The reason you see so many women in secretary jobs is because they've evolved to be more empathetic than men because they're the ones that bore our children. So naturally, they're better at reading and appealing to people. Men are bigger and stronger on average, so they'd naturally be more suited for the heavy lifting stuff. Which in turn, explains why they're always in the more dangerous jobs. So, to blindly claim men are better than women in jobs in general, is wrong. Men *are* better than women in *some* jobs, just as women *are* better than men in *some* jobs. But again, those are averages and we can still have muscley(er then men) women and empathetic(er than women) men.
53:50 - Being the product of a quota program _ain't_ something to brag about, sweetie . . . it's something you should keep on the downlow if you want to be taken seriously . . .
the diversity hire or affirmative action has proven to bring down new hires and they generally have very bad reputation. One of my best worker was a black man hired due to new program we had. However, due to other black men being so mediocre or outright not qualified, even he got bad rep because he was hired at same time from same program. It was most frustrating thing to see.
i think she wanted an open discusstion rather then and close end debate that end once the facts of truth are shown as you cant debate stats cause facts are truth and based on what their is showning to be the case
It's actually a really good debate and would recommend sussing the whole thing. Data gets brought up multiple times as support for all kinds of points.
@@duncanlanceoliver194 id disagree on the whole facts are truth bit. facts are what we perceive to be true and are measurable. whether theyre used to express truth or not is another question entirely. the gender pay gap is a great example. its true there is a gap, so long as you ignore the litany of factors contributing to it, and effectively jerry mander the results to fit your agenda. so while it exists, im not sure id call it truth; at least not in the way they are suggesting its manifest in ways the data doesnt support. this is the reason statistical data needs to be taken with a grain of salt and the method by which the data was collected needs to be scrutinized thoroughly.
The "hidden" aspect here is that men aren't just working to provide "right now" they are also working to securely provide for the future (at least ideally). So while the mother might be at home taking care of the child now, the father is working those long hours to provide for now, next month, and next year. Both parents are just doing different kinds of work.
@@jussayinmipeece1069 Your attitude generally sucks. Calling someone idiot based on the fact that he wrote that man care for their families in their way by doing their best to support them financially DOES NOT EQUAL women do nothing to care for their families. You know that, right? But please care to explain what was the thought process behind you calling Geoff an idiot, if there is any. How exactly he degraded women that you attacked him like he wrote something awful, where in his words you found anything related to women at all, and why did you call him an idiot? PS: You don't really have to answer those questions. We all know that is sweet to release frustration, but do the world a favor. Aim your frustration do not disperse it randomly.
How about while salary for a particular job may have a range where an individual falls on that dange is entirely about merit and work ethic. Ive always worked low end jobs by choice, to be able to stay in low paying jobs Zi need to ensure i get to the high end as quickly as possible. My lat great job was security patrol, unarmed. Within 2 years being at the last company i made more than 60% of security officers in the county including armed guards when i left company I was making more than armored car drivers with same seniority and at my company i made more than everyone except my 2 bosses and the 2 people in HR. Head hr owners wife. If you do mit like your pay then do something about it
53:18 - 'Women work more hours than men, but those hours are unpaid.' - This is a classic shifting of the goal post. What is defined as 'work' here? Childcare? If that's the case, men who choose to do that *also* don't get paid. That isn't discrimination, that 'work' was never paid, for anyone. Ever. You don't get paid to simply be the parent of your child.
man: takes oil rig job where risks are fire, death, and drowning in the frigid ocean, for hard work that pays six figures. woman: takes part time flower arrangement job for min wage OMG GENDER PAY GAP!!
Underpaid men get pay boost The BBC also said it had identified 188 individuals who should get pay rises to “position them appropriately” within the correct salary bands. However 98 of these are men and 90 are women. Read more at: inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-men-pay-rise-gender/ this is not the link i noticed but same numbers.
Speaking of the BBC, is it just me? or (on Breakfast at least) there seems to be a disproportionate number of women interviewees appearing as experts in every field, especially STEM subjects? It could be, of course, that the labs, organizations, and institutes in question have all appointed female spokespersons; but even that seems to be somewhat discriminatory.
some times some people just need to be told to shut their mouth. men and women and me also. when someone makes a statement like that. the reply should be 'shut the fuck up you're talking shit. when I talk crap my mates pull me on it by saying that. That chick said that and no one even acknowledged it .
@daniel keenan; She was just being polite and slightly tongue -in-cheek regarding the comment from Fiona Mactaggart about why programmers get paid more than nurses. Kate Andrews seemed pretty switched on to me. Mactaggart on the other hand was probably grooming young females in the audience.
Furthermore staying at home to nurture your own children and enjoy watching them grow up is privilege not a punishment. Men sacrifice a lot to provide this opportunity for their families and the women who don’t appreciate it don’t deserve it. Seriously wtf is happening to western society? Never happy no matter how prosperous and blessed we are these days.
Amen. I have to work night shifts and Sundays while my wife stays home with our daughter. And you know what? It is our choice. I don't understand how staying home with the kids is worse than working 50 hours per week in a family where noone has "his/her" money. What i make goes in our common account as i guess happens in most families.
My wife works in the medical field. There was only 1 man for 24 female in her graduating class. The girls did a get together and invited him. They were quite upset to find out he was earning much more than they were. Their pay is regulated, the salary increases when you reach milestones based on worked hours. Turns out he had been working over 60 hours a week at 3 different locations, while they had been working barely 25 hours a week. My wife understood, and couldn't believe the other women just couldn't understand why he was paid "more" when they all graduated at the same time. I wasn't surprised, but still these were masters level educated women. Math is sexist, I disagree, but I'm so often proven wrong. Shame.
The irony here is that if the women who worked 25 hours a week earned the same as the man who worked over 60 hours a week, there would in fact be a gender earnings gap, yet the logic behind understanding that relatively simple concept is lost on so many...
I find it alarming that the main concern with the idea of mandatory paternity leave for men in this discussion was "it might take choice away from women" !! HOLY F@#K! .... and it would be FORCING MEN TO DO SOMETHING that they may or may not want to do. The female mind.... boggles me sometimes.
On any paid leave my question is why is your family planning the employers responsibility? If tge employer has to pay for tte time off shouldn't they ge included in the discussion on kids? Lol
Funny how we NEVER hear about 50/50 discriminating quotas for:- * Garbo * Sewage workers * Mowing lawns * Landscaping * Plumbers * Electricians * Snake catchers * Night Petrol station attendant * Construction * Mining * road crews * IT/PC repair * Power pole repair #equality
I think Rebecca is being a bit disingenuous about the subject of hypergamy. The man earlier is simply saying that men and women tend to have different priorities when it comes to partner selection and that can feed into the choices both partners make when it comes to who becomes the primary caregivers.
There's a survey from a dating site that shows that women prioritise their potential partner's career/income high on the list, whereas men do not rate it as highly. Men largely seek to create their own wealth. As evidenced by wealthy men dating/marrying women who bring little financially, but are often very attractive. Men would put a women's looks higher on the list than women in regards to men's attractiveness. So a woman can be broke and have a great body and bag a millionaire. A guy can be in his 70's and well past his prime, but has a 30 year old model girlfriend because he's got millions of dollars.
"A bit disingenuous" is an understatement. Even by her own statement she wanted to be a CEO and marry a CEO. She most certainly did not say that she wanted to be CEO and doesn't care if her husband does. It's understandable to want both you and your spouse to do as well as possible (because why not?) but she most certainly did not refute the idea in any meaningful way.
I saw this video in my recommendations, and thought I'd share a recent conversation with my sister-in-law who is an RN at the local hospital... We were driving to Reno and somehow got on the subject of the "pay gap". She told me that male she makes a certain amount, but that males make more, to the amount of $10/hr more. I thought this was crazy, not her facts but that males were getting paid more than females while being equally qualified/ doing the same work/ working the same hours. We continued the conversation, and eventually the bomb dropped: QUOTAS. I found the reason for the "pay gap", and it was as stupid as it was believable, that the hospital needed to make a quota based on gender, and to meet that quota the hospital had to pay men more to meet it. Whether this is just the hospital making stupid rules or gov't intervention is unknown to me, but the bottom line is that the "pay gap" isn't some "patriarchy" menace, its a problem of politics and business, of stupid ideas and dreams of equality. Don't settle for the surface picture, dig deeper and you'll find the real reason for inequality.
That's always my first and only Question to a possible female employee's previous employer... women can do most jobs no question but as a employer sick days matter more than gender
Carlos. I mean that sick days effect my ability to do my job and within a small team I wish to keep them to the min. I've had about 5 sick days in last 5 years but had a female employee who took 5 in her first 3 months... thank God for the probation period needless to say she is no longer with us.
@@veetour: "my ratio of work days to sick days was among the lowest" means that you are sick quite often. I guess you meant to say " my ratio of sick days to work days was among the lowest".
it's illegal since 1963 to pay someone less for the same work. In 42 years being in construction, (Electrician) I have seem no more then 20 females working in the trades.
Women DO choose not to be the CEO, just as MOST men choose to not be the CEO. It's not like you say, "hey I'd like to be a CEO", and someone says sure, fill out this form and you'll be a CEO in 6 weeks. It takes an ungodly amount of effort, that most men or women just aren't willing to perform, that's a choice.
If the gender pay gap is really true then, here are some reasons why men get paid more: - Men usually work more hours and work overtime - Majority of career fields like engineering, business, science etc are done mainly by males - Women may have to do a maternity leave
What is the purpose to take parental leave ???Do you think that I'm making about 45 thousand more than my spouse then I'm going to take leave ,I think not and she agrees about that subject.And its because of different jobs not pay gaps.And she enjoys being at home and gets attached to the kids and don't want to go back to work and that's fine by both of us.
This is one of the most civilised debates I have ever watched on this subject. Absolutely everybody had a fair crack of the whip and each put forward articulate points, non of which were talked over. Big thumbs up. FYI - I am a father of two girls and I do not want either of my girls to be held back growing up and I do not believe that they will. I am confident any gender pay gap they experience will I am sure be down to life choices they make and I am schooling them both to be strong and independent, be responsible, respectful and caring. Here are our family facts. My wife can cope with our girls - I can't. She would love to stop working to spend more time with our girls, I don't (and we couldn't afford for me and my wife to take more time off each). And despite my very best efforts to get my eldest girl into 'boys' subjects she still wants to be a teacher and not an engineer. My youngest however is a bull in a China shop and I have little doubt she will bully her way to the top. Oh. And so you know. I care for both my children one day a week all on my own by design and it is hard as hell, I am just not wired up for it. Mother hood (or as I like to say the parent) gap is the real issue and only individual families are best served to decide who should stay home... It's not always salary they want.
If women and men are getting paid for the same job, than there isn’t a pay gab. If women choose to stay home or to take a lower paying job that’s their choice. That’s not sexism.
So why is there a very big bias on the stage with only women up there. Also if the pay gap, men would never get hired if women were cheaper. If you want to compare the difference between what a man works and a woman works, you need to compare the same job not different ones. Yes over a lifetime a woman will earn less because they go off and have children where men stay working. But if you had a man and a woman doing the exact same job for their entire life and they only worked a standard week (38 hours in Australia) and you take out the woman having a child, they would both work the same amount and both earn the same amount. Jobs are valued differently yes, but that has nothing to do with a gender pay gap, that has to do with how society sees what is seen as more important and how the unions have worked for workers rights. If you want to compare men and womens sport, it comes down to how much companies are willing to sponsor clubs and teams. And how much money these said companies will benefit from it. So if they think they will get more exposure from men sports they will put more money into it, meaning men will get paid more. But if qorks on getting bums on seats to watch games. That is they certain players get paid more than others
@@rachelrust i did watch it, and i wouldn't say they all agree with what i said. Some agree with me yes. But some are so far from what i think. Did you read every bit of what i said? Also some of what was said was absolute garbage. I made my main comment of "why only women up there" because if you wish to have a discussion about being equal, how can it be when there is only one side of a story.
Considering men work a lot more than women, and we have most of the high paying jobs, of women get paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes, that means women are generally getting paid more, and a minority of men are the highest earners.
If there really was a *gender pay gap,* business managers would simply hire all women and reduce payroll expense by 15% or whatever amount these liars say - and improve their profit margin and EBITDA and get bigger bonuses.
This is such a great debate that intellectually represents both sides of the issue, without getting overly argumentative or heated. Why is everybody in the comment section so mad?
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Why is the free market never mentioned in these discussions. If I want to pay a man X and a woman Y then so be it. Why should you or anybody else decide how I spend my money? End of.
they did, 2 of the 4 women suggested that programmers were in high demand and nurses were is shortage because of immigration issues etc, but the older women with the short hair said that we should value jobs differently in society. 3/4 women believed that gender pay gap was more to do with societal issues and nothing or very little to do with women who get paid less then their males counter parts who do the same jobs.
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@@raysonviswas Well not quite. My point about the free market is not that prices will tend to sort themselves out - that's a consequence of a free market. The foundation of a free market is that we should all be able to charge and pay whatever we choose. If we can't find someone to trade with then tough - it's up to us to revisit our our decisions. Any further discussion is like arguing about how to defend ourselves against the cheeseman of the moon - totally pointless. The first pillar of Marxism is that people own their own labor. The second pillar is that the price a person sells his labor at is dictated by a central authority. That's the end of Marxism right there. Hoisted by their own petard.
@@alegriart Discrimination of wages based on race is illegal and I'd wager its supposed systematic prevalence is as mythical as the gender pay gap being a function of sexism.
About as logical getting crew trained as hostesses flying the planes "This is your pilot Becky speaking. Last week I was serving drinks in the cabin. Today I'm giving flying the plane a whirl. Wish us luck!"
Meanwhile in the coalmine: The what gap? Meanwhile on the oil rigs: The what gap? Meanwhile at the steel mill: The what gap? All this panel has is a MALE GAP.
I am a business owner. Let me tell you this: the purpose of every business is to make money. If you do not make money, you are not a business and must close your doors. As a business owner, of I could pay women $0.77 cents on the dollar for the SAME job as a man, I would NEVER hire another male again. Period. Why would I, as a business owner, trying to make money, willing give away 33% for no other reason than to hire a man? It’s dumb. No sane business owner gives away 33%. It doesn’t happen. IF by some reason I do pay a man more for the same job as a woman, it’s because: 1. He is more qualified 2. Been in the position longer or 3. Negotiated a better salary. The very same thing can be said regarding why a pay a woman more than a man! Any argument pushing a pay gap is a lie using misleading or misunderstood metrics to dive the narrative.
yes, there are infinite pay gaps, men have different salaries from other men too, employer/employee relationship is a contractual one and differs for everyone, most companies start their entry level position with the same salary but beyond that it depends on each employee to negotiate the term of his employment those hags arguing in favor of the gender pay gap misinformation should create their own company and pay their employees equally but i guarantee you that that is not going to happen because just like everyone else, they have prejudices and i don't doubt they'd give preference to those employees that they are fond of minimum wage i think would be a solution to stop these hags from wasting more time and money on this issue, no pay should be below minimum wage and anything above minimum wage is up to both employer and employee
Either produce a large number of pilot jobs or whatever that can satisfy all the ambitious people or get ready for a bunch of angry men. All societies through history have had to deal with the risk of angry young men, now you will have a bunch of them earning less than not only other men but a large number of women. Hope it all works out. {Just an fyi for anyone who might care the study of orchestra hiring with blind screens does not actually show a result in an increase in women, if anything it leads to more men being hired or no over all affect.}
Fascinating video. I don't believe there is a gender pay gap, when equal work and equal time is considered, but as most things, the issue isn't as cut and dry and we'd like it to be. It was nice to have a great panel and audience discuss it.
every single manI know who became a house husband were divorced by their wifes for "reasons" "he wasn't the same man that I married" "I no longer feel attracted to him" "he feels like a brother not a lover" "my better paid more respected boss who I spend most of my hours with undestands me better than my husband"
Studies on that showed the likelihood of women initiating divorce increased by 90% when the wife Made even as little as a few hundred dollars more than her husband.
This is actually a quite rational and civilized debate (or discussion) that you can hardly see when it comes to gender issues. Too often these kinds of events are either only one-sided or occupied by people who hate and contempt the other side. I am not a fan of modern feminism but I think at least the feminists in this panel seem willing to discuss.
Why is always a panel of women talking about Gender-related issues? Maybe if these women's groups were not so sexist they could actually focus on gendered issues and not just trying to make women's lives even more privileged.
@@ericmanget4280 Anything on the ABC, BBC or any other mainstream media broadcaster. Anu gender related course in any university. Plus the video we are commenting on.
@@chriswhitwam721 I don't engage with vague accusations. Also, why is it a problem in the first place? It's a woman's issue because the common consensus now, as seen on this panel, is that a pay gap isn't due to male discrimination and is almost entirely about a female's decision making process and how it is influenced throughout life. The fact of the matter is that a woman's perspective is more valuable when having that discussion. Once again, I still don't concede that it is a trend to omit men from the discussions, name your sources more explicitly please.
1. Men are willing to take jobs that are physically demanding. 2. Men are willing to take more dangerous work. Work related deaths, men 97% women 3%. 3. Men work more hours. On average men work 46 hours a week where women work 36 hours. 4. Men ask for raises more than women do. 5. Men are more likely to relocate for a job. 6. Society in general still considers the man responsible for providing for the family. What's more accepting, stay at home dad, or stay at home mother? 7.in general, women are more likely to sacrafice their career for their partner. Like I mentioned before, men more willing to relocate for a job. When a family relocates for a new job, this is more than likely going to hurt someone's career. One person is taking a job which is obviously better, meanwhile the other person is going to take what's available at the new location. In a lot of cases, women are more likely to make sacrafices just to be in a relationship. My sister met a guy that had a really nice job, but lived 3 hours away. She had a really nice job, when she decided to get serious she moved to be with him. They got married, had 3 kids was a stay at home mom. Kids are all in school now, she is a school cook, because she can drop the kids off at school. And pick them up after school. Her life revolves around her family. This is a decision she made because she wanted a family.
why does nursing pay less than coding? ever tried to do a couple pf months of nnursing and then sell that months labor to multiple costumers? because that is what coders do. they spend a month to write a piece of code and then they are able to sell that months labor to multiple costumers. has very little to do with importance or appreciation or availability of people willing and able to do the job.
Programming is just difficult and requires a huge amount of specialized computing knowledge as well as an IQ that is 1SD or more above average. Being a nurse isn't a picnic either, but it's simply factual that there are many more people capable of performing nurse duties.
@@JohnDoe-xf2ke It's also heavily about how you measure the return. A nurse can only take care of X amount of people a day there's a cost for each person so the return is fixed, the nurse can only be paid based on that return. Now, if you take the result of a programmer's work the return on that is not limited in the same way at all, you can sell a program to as many people as you can reach therefore the monetary value is higher.
After all... men who choose NOT to marry and have kids or even deal with women intimately, those men get penalised MORE for it, in taxes and other social things and attitudes that say those things he chose are unhealthy and not normal. MGTOW is the only solution to this... if all men went MGTOW this would even be an issue, women would realise it is them ESPECIALLY who want those kids, and men sort of accept them and love them to keep her happy.
at my workplace, my boss, the finance manager is a woman, the plant manager who technically has a slightly lower ranking than her is a man. he is 20-25 ish years older, they both do a lot of unpaid overtime ( he does more in hours but the quality of his work is far lower seeing how me and her constantly have to cover up his mistakes) she earns around 100-200 euros more than him after taxes. So women: it is entirely possible, you just have to be willing to put in the work. working in accounting/finance/administration, i've had more female bosses than male.
"Why do men athletes make more than female athletes?" This question clearly didn't come from a place of honesty. Players are paid by how much revenue they bring into their sport. This is no different than asking the question why football players aren't paid the same as basketball or baseball players. Leaving gender aside it still answers the question: Its because different sports generate different amounts of revenues that get passed down to players from the owners. Bring gender back into it and ask, why WNBA players don't make anything close to their Male counterparts? It's because the WNBA as a whole generates $30 million a year in revenue and the NBA generates over $10 billion a year. It's very simple when you look at it from a business standpoint and don't try to interject gender equality into it.
If one looks at the sport of tennis, the prize money (at least at Wimbledon) is the same for the women as it is for the men. To earn that prize money, however, the men on their best day must win as many sets as the women must win on their worst day, namely 3 sets, despite the fact that women supposedly outstrip men when it comes to physical stamina. What's more, the very best female players, number 1 and 2 in the women's rankings, have been shown to be unable to beat a man that was 203rd in the men's rankings, and that was with him choosing to play with his off-hand.
"No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one. It is a way of forcing women in a certain direction.“ - Simone de Beauvoir Feminists really care about women...
The blonde feminist on the panel mentioned how talking about the pay gap will negatively affect women is bs. She literally went into feminist studies instead of business or technology. So she is an example of what she said was bs.
Are you 12? She’s saying the gender gap is utter bullshit, did we watch the same panel? It’s bullshit because it has nothing to do with discrimination. Feminazis use the gender pay gap and claim it’s discrimination by men. IT ISNT. If you watched the panel they talked about free choice, motherhood, social conditioning, and biology. Talking about something like the pay gap doesn’t help. Pushing women into better fields is the solution.
@@rachelrust I said the blonde feminist, not the blonde rational business owner. She was saying that making the gender pay gap an issue won't negatively affect girls. It negatively affected her because instead of being a scientist, she became a gender studies major. Got it?
With both my children i asked my partner to take the full paternity leave with her going back to work. She laughed so hard then commented “why would I give up time off work” Good luck to any guy who suggests it?
That old bags comparison between coding and nursing is complete BullShit. I work for an international software company in the Quality Assurance department and my GF is a RN at the hospital here. She makes 30k more a year than I do and 10K more than our senior programmers. Being a Registered Nurse pays very well. Maybe she was meaning a Care Aid?
In Finland average salary for nurse is 2350eur/month (but the range is 2200-3300). Average salary for programmer is 3100eur/month (and range is 2500-5000). And I think it is mostly due to nurses being paid by government (tax money) and most programmers are paid by companies (where the programmer is bringing in money for the company). Nurses should be paid more, but no politician is willing to raise the taxes to fund it.
@@alegriart In Canada there are 3 levels of Nursing. Care Aids, LPNs, and RNs. IF an RN nurse in Findland makes 3000 euros average. That's 4525.00$ dollars cnd/Aus. ( Canada and Aussie have almost par dollar exchange rate) The RN's I know here in Canada make anywhere from 80 to 110,000k a year. Which means their gross monthly pay is around 6-7,000 cnd$ Here is the kicker. In Canada the income tax rate for 80-110k is 33%. In Australia that same person making 90k would pay 45,000$ in taxes (50%) In Findland the same RN would pay 49-51% in taxes. Seems to be the issue isnt the overall pay for nurses in your countries. Its your governments taking too much in taxes.
Men overall choose jobs that pay more, women overall choose jobs that pay less this doesn't mean that women get payed differantly for the same job it just means that overall all womens earnings is less than all mens earnings. And this is perfectly fine. it isnt a problem and doesnt need to be changed or fixed. for example lets say out of 100 women 70 of them choose to go into nursing jobs which tend to be on the somewhat lower end of the pay scale and the remaining 30 choose higher paying jobs, then there is 100 men and 30 men are choosing low paying jobs and the remaining 70 are taking higher paying jobs like oil rig workers, commercial fishing, Trades the difficult and dangerous jobs that women mostly do not want to do but because they are difficult and dangerous they pay more than most other types of jobs. in this example the 70 nurses are payed the same as any male nurses that, and the 30 higher payed women whatever their field eg. lawyer, doctor, one of the few women that choose the same difficult dangerous job as men like oil rig workers, commercial fishing, Trades are payed the same as their male counterparts but because there is a larger number of men CHOOSING the higher paying jobs and a higher number of women CHOOSING the lower payed jobs out of these 2 groups of 100/100 men/women the men overall are earning more and it is completely fair. This has been a dumbed down example of what the gender pay gap is on a small scale, the same thing happens on the large scale in our society and it is all the pay gap is. If you want to eliminate that pay gap which there is no reason for it since it is purely the result of peoples free choice then the only way to do that is to PREVENT PEOPLES FREE CHOICE, the least tyrannical way that people try to do this is via quotas but quotas are still pretty bad but that is a whole differant discussion. PS the reason things like programing and coding is payed better than nursing is because programing and coding is far more scaleable. For example a nurse can only do so much for other people per day, but if you create something to sell, especially something digital then that thing can be sold to several billion people all around the world (depending on how popular/wanted the thing you create is) and that makes more money which is why that makes more money than say nurses.
20:03 Why programmers get payed more than nurses? -Scalability! You can only help one person at a time and can only provide care to a certain number of people per day. Programmer makes software that can be sold in infinite number of copies and the revenue from it is that much larger. theoretically, good software can sell a million copies a day, a nurse cannot tend to a million people per day.
This discussion is useless. Men for the most part, work more hours at jobs that are also higher paying, such as construction and the various trades. Women often work at jobs where social interaction is an important factor. Doctors offices, nursing, and the like. How many female plumbers or electricians have you ever seen. Heavy equipment operators or garbage collectors. Women take time off to have children and start a family, thus they are out of the work force for long periods of time. Do the math. Also men do hazardous jobs that women choose not to do, that pay more.
1 minute and 20 seconds in and this redheaded tool says I don't want a stat slinging match I want to get into the politics of it ... says everything we need to know about this person ..
She (the host), is a fervent anti-feminist who actually rejects the whole concept of the pay gap. She would agree with you. Your knee-jerk reaction is disturbing.
21:00 "I think the biggest concern is if we're saying men HAVE to take peternity we're forcing this to be equak, then we're actually undermining women's choice to stay at home." So your biggest concern is that that would undermine women's choice to stay at home by some implication... NOT the fact that you'd be taking away men's choice by sending them on a mandatory leave and condemning then to slave labour. Bravo! The pro-man side of the argument just demonstrated ridiculous misandry!
Why do so many genderized discussions continue to exclude a male delivering the male perspective ? Did they invite any men ? Though, in fairness, the woman on the left did a decent job of presenting some of the male perspective. Women have a marriage penalty and men have a marriage pay bonus ? Other than adding a child to group healthcare, no employer gives a male a bonus. The higher male pay is due entirely to the male choosing to work more hours, negotiating for higher pay through an increase in job responsibilities or switching jobs, employers or sometimes relocation to another city, state or country.
3:10 "Maybe we should make it mandatory for men to take leave to care for their children." Only three minutes in, already contemplating a restriction of freedom.
which would be the only way to battle this earnings gap as most of it comes down to personal choices and freedom to do so....but hopefully we always ignore those lunatics and let ppl live their lifes and accept that statistics dont have to be equalized by the cost of freedom
It’s an insult to claim women are penalized by providing child care!! They want, desire and obtain great happiness in caring for their children!! My wife was horrified and unhappy that our children were being cared for by others!! And why do male athletes and programmers get paid more?? They’re generating more $$$ for their employers!! They possess and do jobs that require more lucrative skills!!
MacTaggert has got the answer. Make laws that control male behaviour. If men won't take parental leave, make a law. If men work longer hours, make a law. If men are more productive, make a law and so on. Who gets to enforce these laws. Not MacTaggert that's for sure That's dirty, dangerous shit and we know who is expected to do that work. At a lower rate soon because MacTaggert says that there should be a law.
@@thelongstory6395 as pointed out, you got totally whooshed. The one lady was arguing for mandatory paternity leave, in an attempt to make things equal. This is obviously ridiculous because different couples have different financial situations. what if the man is the sole breadwinner? What if the woman's pay plus the reduced paternity pay is not enough to sustain their lifestyle? The original commenter merely continued to take that same logic further.
@@alegriart no, it's hard for a man to take time off because men are still the majority bread winners (obviously single mother's can't be factored into this, it's a completely different situation) and paternity leave doesn't pay full wage.. As I touched on in my other comment. Taking that pay cut can have a major impact.
Same job same years of experience and same work output. How much do they make per hour or salary. The only way to see if one is being discriminated against. Its not really worth the time.
Chris Rock got it spot on - When men tell their friends about their new girlfriend, they ask, what does she look like? When Women tell their friends about their new boyfriend, they ask, what does he do??
I’m a hs drop out. I get paid about $30. An hr to climb dead dangerous trees and make them safe. Usually I cut them down to make them safe. I’ve been doing this for about 30yrs. NEVER have I seen a woman do my job
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Me and my wife earn the same per hour.
We don’t have kids.
We both bought houses before we married and have kept our assets separate due to taxation reasons.
I take home 3 times more than she does.
I have 6 times more capital than she does.
She works half the hours I do.
She spends 3 times more per month than I do.
She uses all her holiday and sick benefits from her job.
I still have last years holiday sat in my benefits balance and 4 years of unused sick benefits.
We work for the same company at the same level.
Three people part share her job roll responsibilities.
In statistical roll reviews i out perform her team on my own by 14%.
I regularly work overtime and get double pay for doing it and I’m still cheaper to employ due to the volume of work than my wife’s team.
This is due to the fact I don’t have to have a meeting with my self to tell me what I’ve been doing while the other half of me wasn’t at work.
Her team have that meeting 3 times a week.
Gender pay gap.
Life choices.
Boy that sounds familiar.
I see and experience this all the time.
Only a fortnight ago, one of our engineers returned from 18 months paid maternity leave and has spent her 3 days a week handing out promotional items, talking about her experiences as a new parent, and planning a company-wide breakfast for international women’s day, with guest speakers focusing on women entering executive positions (which I won’t be attending).
It’s one thing to be provided the choices and freedoms to have flexible working arrangements, it’s another thing entirely to moan about not being paid the same as those who don’t. Something about eating cake...
"This is due to the fact I don’t have to have a meeting with my self to tell me what I’ve been doing while the other half of me wasn’t at work."
the only reason you don't have that meeting is because you are oppressively patriarchal . Obviously the solution is to force you to have that meeting. and take notes.... and distribute them to the meeting participants. In triplicate
And if you don't do that then you are a misogynist ... or something
so what you are saying is you are a workaholic and she enjoys life ?
@@kingsalami80 It's all perspective man. So what you are saying is that he doesn't enjoy his life? C'mon man that's the point, SHE does what SHE does because SHE wants to, HE does what HE does because HE wants to. I love working because to me it makes my leisure time more enjoyable. Other people are allowed to think differently than that, but there are consequences; manifested in pay differences.
The biggest gap is that men have always done the hard, dregguos, dirt and dangerous work
Skill, difficulty and danger are all multipliers for income. People who may not have above average skills take on the other 2. I get paid more working in warehousing than someone in low level retail because my job is more physical and the environment is harsher - heat in summer, cold in winter, dirtier and greater chance of injury. So when recent news reports on comparing different value roles and the efforts trying to equalise pay rates claiming sexism
www.spectator.com.au/2019/02/unequal-work-equal-pay-because-you-feel-you-deserve-it/
it pisses me off. My experience is that I have seen discrimination - against men. When you have the women on the same pay rate as you while they are pushing around a trolley picking orders and you're in the back of a 40ft shipping container unloading it box by box, who is the one really getting shafted? Or when they get the same as you, but you're doing part of their job for them because they aren't capable of doing something expected of an average male. Women throw gender equality out the window when it comes down to doing the heavy lifting. They suddenly become really nice and ask you to do it for them.
We need to stop sacrificing ourselves for these entitled and ungrateful women. Let them do all the uncomfortable and dangerous work for a few extra dollars. Get that money you gold digging wench
Or the most souls eating... I code a lot, and once a year I think that it's not worth it.
When you work that late ours and then are punished by managers and co workers either you miscalculated and got late or you're just dumb you are supposed to get that task done within minutes... well YES I want that money at least.
And I'm living proof. Find me a woman who is both willing and qualified to swing a chainsaw 70' off the ground dangling from a rope you climbed up while carrying the weight of your gear. Brutally hard work, life-threateningly dangerous. So much so, in fact, that I left that industry to get into the office because I had to (it's a young man's game). Right now I'm taking a 30 second break from work to type this reply. Check the timestamp. I'll be working through the night tonight and through the day and night tomorrow to get this work done, all with a 5 hour round trip drive in less than 6 hours on no sleep by myself. Find me a woman who would do any of the things I've mentioned. Find me one. Just one.
I think gender equality will show in the workplace when the workplace fatalities are 50/50 men and women
Gender is fluid, therefore there is no gap.
Solved.
nice one! that one made me laugh! social justice for all!
@@alegriart The crazy part comes from the last letters. The LGB part identifies as man and women. But the world is crazy never the less. LOL
Don't ever use the arguments defending one leftist ideology when discussing a different ideology. Those are each specially tailored to only apply to its specific issue. Sometimes I think you people weren't even paying attention in your gender studies classes...sheesh...
😂😂😂
i call bullshit.. due to a bullshit premise despite your excellent reasoning of logic in an emotionally based biased premise devised by those who're ruled mentally by it. great one
Why is this even a question still? The answer is no. This has been demonstrated time and time again, in just about every manner imaginable.
Because Feminists don't like math.
Its clear since 2015 that the LEFT and FEMINISM is NOT and will NEVER be about
Truth
Facts
Honestly
its about bringing about GLOBAL SOCIALISM and the destruction of western society, free speech and western marriage
Just look at the panel. It's all women. If it were a panel of men talking about men's issue, ther'd be outcry "SEXISTS! HOW CAN YOU BE ALL MEN! Not a single woman!!"
Did you watch the panel? They have said everything you probably agree with regarding the “gap”.
@@rachelrust it all felt tongue in cheek agreeing and not really serious
In Australia the average full time male worker works 40 hours a week. The average full time female works 36 hours a week.
This 10% difference in hours worked is NEVER brought up in mainstream discussions about the gender pay gap.
That's a relatively close percentage actually.
The U.S. and Canada have a 40 to 32 difference, so closer to 20%.
A gender-based debate, by a panel of all women
G Crockford I think this was done deliberately. Some of the arguments the panel put forth might not have been as well received coming from a male speaker. Just a guess though.
@@b.m.1022 read "sexism"
"Mansplaining"
So true
So true
But...where's the diversity on this panel?
Earl Greystoke that’s next weeks ideology, this week it’s just about discrimination against women . A time table of flavour of the day men hating policies will follow shortly ....
The men are at work.
Upper middle class white front bums with and axe to grind . Look out . Most of not all would have voted for Maggie back in the day as a good thing but 30 years on they’re scratching their heads and blaming men for introducing individual contracts where the more aggressive individuals get paid more . Smh
Earl Greystoke hey don’t know those kinds of questions shouldn’t be asked dam it lol
I see 3 men up there. Sorry.
Interesting that a conversation about “gender pay gap” excludes the other gender
Men are excluded because the women on the panel do not want to hear the male perspective or ask the simplest questions : doesn't lower pay for the same qualifications result in a hiring advantage ? If women do the same job, the hiring process would favor the candidates willing to do the job for lower pay
Haha
@@GK-op4oc isn’t that how conversations in congress about abortion and women’s sexual health has been for decades? A panel filled with primarily men discussing what women should or shouldn’t do with their bodies. But u little boys wanna cry when there’s a harmless debate about gender with a panel of women with absolutely no legislative power? Keep crying snowflake
@@saraha.7473 i think Sarah's been triggered - bless.
@@davidrice6224 oh look an edgelord incel who still thinks its 2016 and saying “triggered” is cool. U sound like ur in middle school lol.
Where is the part where they talk about workplace dangers and death and how those industries are dominated by men? Why aren’t the women on these panels demanding higher workplace deaths for females? Odd.
Weird that something like Uber, a completely automated system that doesn't know or care about the sex of employees, ended up "paying men more." There is no pay gap, there is an earnings gap. Men who drove for Uber worked for a longer period of time, worked more regularly, worked longer hours, worked at less convenient but more lucrative times, were more efficient with the number of passengers they served over the time they worked, and more. Thus, they earned more money. Simple.
Feminists hear this and assert that Uber's system is sexist. Realists hear this and wonder why men, who are actually better employees in measurable ways, are getting paid at the same rate as women who are demonstrably worse.
@@alegriart Look Janice, men and women are different. They can do different things. And as such, perform differently in work. All that stuff John Doe says about men willing to work the hours is true, and that itself *shows* they're better. But only at that job and others that run under the same principle concept.
The reason you see so many women in secretary jobs is because they've evolved to be more empathetic than men because they're the ones that bore our children. So naturally, they're better at reading and appealing to people. Men are bigger and stronger on average, so they'd naturally be more suited for the heavy lifting stuff. Which in turn, explains why they're always in the more dangerous jobs.
So, to blindly claim men are better than women in jobs in general, is wrong. Men *are* better than women in *some* jobs, just as women *are* better than men in *some* jobs. But again, those are averages and we can still have muscley(er then men) women and empathetic(er than women) men.
53:50 - Being the product of a quota program _ain't_ something to brag about, sweetie . . . it's something you should keep on the downlow if you want to be taken seriously . . .
She struck me as a diversity hire...
the diversity hire or affirmative action has proven to bring down new hires and they generally have very bad reputation.
One of my best worker was a black man hired due to new program we had. However, due to other black men being so mediocre or outright not qualified, even he got bad rep because he was hired at same time from same program. It was most frustrating thing to see.
Exactly and why am I not surprised she's a diversity hire?
She stood and was selected on a "women's only list," so she got her position by using sexual discrimination . Wow!
Don't want to get into the stats, I want to get into the politics - I'm tapping out!
Statistics don't support the agenda, so it's better to just ignore it.
i think she wanted an open discusstion rather then and close end debate that end once the facts of truth are shown as you cant debate stats cause facts are truth and based on what their is showning to be the case
It's actually a really good debate and would recommend sussing the whole thing. Data gets brought up multiple times as support for all kinds of points.
@@duncanlanceoliver194 id disagree on the whole facts are truth bit. facts are what we perceive to be true and are measurable. whether theyre used to express truth or not is another question entirely. the gender pay gap is a great example. its true there is a gap, so long as you ignore the litany of factors contributing to it, and effectively jerry mander the results to fit your agenda. so while it exists, im not sure id call it truth; at least not in the way they are suggesting its manifest in ways the data doesnt support. this is the reason statistical data needs to be taken with a grain of salt and the method by which the data was collected needs to be scrutinized thoroughly.
Men tend to care for their families by working long hours to provide for them
and who takes care of the family when the man is at work working long hours to take care of them? Fucking idiot
@@jussayinmipeece1069 Completely missing the point here, fucking idiot
The "hidden" aspect here is that men aren't just working to provide "right now" they are also working to securely provide for the future (at least ideally). So while the mother might be at home taking care of the child now, the father is working those long hours to provide for now, next month, and next year. Both parents are just doing different kinds of work.
@@ArtumTsumia not according to these so-called mgtow fools. They think that a bottle of lotion is just as good as a woman.
@@jussayinmipeece1069 Your attitude generally sucks. Calling someone idiot based on the fact that he wrote that man care for their families in their way by doing their best to support them financially DOES NOT EQUAL women do nothing to care for their families. You know that, right? But please care to explain what was the thought process behind you calling Geoff an idiot, if there is any. How exactly he degraded women that you attacked him like he wrote something awful, where in his words you found anything related to women at all, and why did you call him an idiot?
PS: You don't really have to answer those questions. We all know that is sweet to release frustration, but do the world a favor. Aim your frustration do not disperse it randomly.
Where are the men/women pay per hour per job type comparison statistics? Those stats would give a clearer picture of what is actually happening.
In US, women make more than men due to all the activism. at least, currently. and it also depends on age bracket not just hourly. its weird.
inaicrnd that would instantly shit down the whole debate
Proving women are not being paid less because they are women
there's been companies that examine themselves to fix the gender gap and they always find a larger number of underpaid men
How about while salary for a particular job may have a range where an individual falls on that dange is entirely about merit and work ethic. Ive always worked low end jobs by choice, to be able to stay in low paying jobs Zi need to ensure i get to the high end as quickly as possible. My lat great job was security patrol, unarmed. Within 2 years being at the last company i made more than 60% of security officers in the county including armed guards when i left company I was making more than armored car drivers with same seniority and at my company i made more than everyone except my 2 bosses and the 2 people in HR. Head hr owners wife. If you do mit like your pay then do something about it
53:18 - 'Women work more hours than men, but those hours are unpaid.' - This is a classic shifting of the goal post. What is defined as 'work' here? Childcare? If that's the case, men who choose to do that *also* don't get paid. That isn't discrimination, that 'work' was never paid, for anyone. Ever. You don't get paid to simply be the parent of your child.
man: takes oil rig job where risks are fire, death, and drowning in the frigid ocean, for hard work that pays six figures.
woman: takes part time flower arrangement job for min wage
OMG GENDER PAY GAP!!
@@alegriart Well, someone does need to take care of the children, and that type of care involves a lot of idle time.
@@alegriart
Didn't you know being a mother is the hardest job on the world - allegedly!
According to mothers anyway so it must be true
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Best thing i watched on gender pay gap when the BBC checked all pay and found like for like workers they found more men were payed less than women.
can you link it? I can't find it anywhere
Underpaid men get pay boost The BBC also said it had identified 188 individuals who should get pay rises to “position them appropriately” within the correct salary bands. However 98 of these are men and 90 are women.
Read more at: inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-men-pay-rise-gender/
this is not the link i noticed but same numbers.
@@yellowmellow2932 Hope that helps
Then all the feminists went nuts (well, more than usual) when the facts led to more men getting pay rises
Speaking of the BBC, is it just me? or (on Breakfast at least) there seems to be a disproportionate number of women interviewees appearing as experts in every field, especially STEM subjects? It could be, of course, that the labs, organizations, and institutes in question have all appointed female spokespersons; but even that seems to be somewhat discriminatory.
‘Arguably it takes more responsibility to keep a plane in the air than to serve drinks “
(Arguably)😂.
daniel keenan made my day
some times some people just need to be told to shut their mouth. men and women and me also. when someone makes a statement like that. the reply should be 'shut the fuck up you're talking shit. when I talk crap my mates pull me on it by saying that. That chick said that and no one even acknowledged it .
@daniel keenan; She was just being polite and slightly tongue -in-cheek regarding the comment from Fiona Mactaggart about why programmers get paid more than nurses. Kate Andrews seemed pretty switched on to me. Mactaggart on the other hand was probably grooming young females in the audience.
this is the most grown-up conversation about this topic that I've ever heard, including my 4 years at university
Indeed, it was actually decent.
Furthermore staying at home to nurture your own children and enjoy watching them grow up is privilege not a punishment. Men sacrifice a lot to provide this opportunity for their families and the women who don’t appreciate it don’t deserve it. Seriously wtf is happening to western society? Never happy no matter how prosperous and blessed we are these days.
Amen. I have to work night shifts and Sundays while my wife stays home with our daughter. And you know what? It is our choice. I don't understand how staying home with the kids is worse than working 50 hours per week in a family where noone has "his/her" money.
What i make goes in our common account as i guess happens in most families.
Watched half of this, seemed like a nice group of people having a reasonable discussion. How rare.
Plaintiff: "Judge, I feel like this man stole my car. "
Judge: "You're right, case closed."
Kile Kniffen
Lol
My wife works in the medical field.
There was only 1 man for 24 female in her graduating class.
The girls did a get together and invited him.
They were quite upset to find out he was earning much more than they were.
Their pay is regulated, the salary increases when you reach milestones based on worked hours.
Turns out he had been working over 60 hours a week at 3 different locations, while they had been working barely 25 hours a week.
My wife understood, and couldn't believe the other women just couldn't understand why he was paid "more" when they all graduated at the same time.
I wasn't surprised, but still these were masters level educated women.
Math is sexist, I disagree, but I'm so often proven wrong.
Shame.
The irony here is that if the women who worked 25 hours a week earned the same as the man who worked over 60 hours a week, there would in fact be a gender earnings gap, yet the logic behind understanding that relatively simple concept is lost on so many...
Actually short haired lady, there isn't a pay gap. There is an earnings gap since "Men make more than women overall". Men EARN More.
I find it alarming that the main concern with the idea of mandatory paternity leave for men in this discussion was "it might take choice away from women" !! HOLY F@#K! .... and it would be FORCING MEN TO DO SOMETHING that they may or may not want to do. The female mind.... boggles me sometimes.
On any paid leave my question is why is your family planning the employers responsibility? If tge employer has to pay for tte time off shouldn't they ge included in the discussion on kids? Lol
Funny how we NEVER hear about 50/50 discriminating quotas for:-
* Garbo
* Sewage workers
* Mowing lawns
* Landscaping
* Plumbers
* Electricians
* Snake catchers
* Night Petrol station attendant
* Construction
* Mining
* road crews
* IT/PC repair
* Power pole repair
#equality
I think Rebecca is being a bit disingenuous about the subject of hypergamy. The man earlier is simply saying that men and women tend to have different priorities when it comes to partner selection and that can feed into the choices both partners make when it comes to who becomes the primary caregivers.
There's a survey from a dating site that shows that women prioritise their potential partner's career/income high on the list, whereas men do not rate it as highly. Men largely seek to create their own wealth. As evidenced by wealthy men dating/marrying women who bring little financially, but are often very attractive. Men would put a women's looks higher on the list than women in regards to men's attractiveness.
So a woman can be broke and have a great body and bag a millionaire. A guy can be in his 70's and well past his prime, but has a 30 year old model girlfriend because he's got millions of dollars.
"A bit disingenuous" is an understatement. Even by her own statement she wanted to be a CEO and marry a CEO. She most certainly did not say that she wanted to be CEO and doesn't care if her husband does. It's understandable to want both you and your spouse to do as well as possible (because why not?) but she most certainly did not refute the idea in any meaningful way.
I saw this video in my recommendations, and thought I'd share a recent conversation with my sister-in-law who is an RN at the local hospital...
We were driving to Reno and somehow got on the subject of the "pay gap". She told me that male she makes a certain amount, but that males make more, to the amount of $10/hr more. I thought this was crazy, not her facts but that males were getting paid more than females while being equally qualified/ doing the same work/ working the same hours. We continued the conversation, and eventually the bomb dropped: QUOTAS. I found the reason for the "pay gap", and it was as stupid as it was believable, that the hospital needed to make a quota based on gender, and to meet that quota the hospital had to pay men more to meet it. Whether this is just the hospital making stupid rules or gov't intervention is unknown to me, but the bottom line is that the "pay gap" isn't some "patriarchy" menace, its a problem of politics and business, of stupid ideas and dreams of equality. Don't settle for the surface picture, dig deeper and you'll find the real reason for inequality.
Ive hired girls and i wont again... sick days ..
That's always my first and only
Question to a possible female employee's previous employer... women can do most jobs no question but as a employer sick days matter more than gender
As a man I take every sick day in a calendar year I'm entitled to. Don't get sick days paid out when moving jobs
Carlos. I mean that sick days effect my ability to do my job and within a small team I wish to keep them to the min. I've had about 5 sick days in last 5 years but had a female employee who took 5 in her first 3 months... thank God for the probation period needless to say she is no longer with us.
I work in a female dominated workplace. Not surprised when my boss told my ratio of work days to sick days was among the lowest.
@@veetour: "my ratio of work days to sick days was among the lowest" means that you are sick quite often. I guess you meant to say " my ratio of sick days to work days was among the lowest".
Kate and Jess nailed this one, they cut through the biased nonsense
it's illegal since 1963 to pay someone less for the same work. In 42 years being in construction, (Electrician) I have seem no more then 20 females working in the trades.
I worked for years in the paper making industry, my back is knackered due to all the heavy work I did
Get your legal team on it.
I just worked a 15 and a half hour day. The women at my work stay for 4 hours so please continue how they deserve the same wage.
The purpose of paying men more is so they can afford a family.
I was hesitant to listen to this but it turned out to be very balanced and thought provoking.
The audience came up with great retorts.
“You couldn’t make it up”
But you do...
Not specifically the lady who says that, third wave feminism in general
Women DO choose not to be the CEO, just as MOST men choose to not be the CEO. It's not like you say, "hey I'd like to be a CEO", and someone says sure, fill out this form and you'll be a CEO in 6 weeks. It takes an ungodly amount of effort, that most men or women just aren't willing to perform, that's a choice.
Want to change your wage? Change your degree form gender studies to computer science
If the gender pay gap is really true then, here are some reasons why men get paid more:
- Men usually work more hours and work overtime
- Majority of career fields like engineering, business, science etc are done mainly by males
- Women may have to do a maternity leave
MEN PAY WHEN THEIR WOMAN IS AT HOME WITH CHILDREN!! WHO ELSE WILL?
What is the purpose to take parental leave ???Do you think that I'm making about 45 thousand more than my spouse then I'm going to take leave ,I think not and she agrees about that subject.And its because of different jobs not pay gaps.And she enjoys being at home and gets attached to the kids and don't want to go back to work and that's fine by both of us.
This is one of the most civilised debates I have ever watched on this subject. Absolutely everybody had a fair crack of the whip and each put forward articulate points, non of which were talked over. Big thumbs up.
FYI - I am a father of two girls and I do not want either of my girls to be held back growing up and I do not believe that they will. I am confident any gender pay gap they experience will I am sure be down to life choices they make and I am schooling them both to be strong and independent, be responsible, respectful and caring.
Here are our family facts.
My wife can cope with our girls - I can't. She would love to stop working to spend more time with our girls, I don't (and we couldn't afford for me and my wife to take more time off each). And despite my very best efforts to get my eldest girl into 'boys' subjects she still wants to be a teacher and not an engineer. My youngest however is a bull in a China shop and I have little doubt she will bully her way to the top.
Oh. And so you know. I care for both my children one day a week all on my own by design and it is hard as hell, I am just not wired up for it.
Mother hood (or as I like to say the parent) gap is the real issue and only individual families are best served to decide who should stay home... It's not always salary they want.
There is a gender pay gap, namely, that women are paid more for less experience, less hours worked, and less effective work.
all the offices i deliver to are loaded to the brim with privileged women who are overpaid for dumb jobs lol. women have it so easy.
If women and men are getting paid for the same job, than there isn’t a pay gab. If women choose to stay home or to take a lower paying job that’s their choice. That’s not sexism.
So why is there a very big bias on the stage with only women up there. Also if the pay gap, men would never get hired if women were cheaper.
If you want to compare the difference between what a man works and a woman works, you need to compare the same job not different ones. Yes over a lifetime a woman will earn less because they go off and have children where men stay working. But if you had a man and a woman doing the exact same job for their entire life and they only worked a standard week (38 hours in Australia) and you take out the woman having a child, they would both work the same amount and both earn the same amount.
Jobs are valued differently yes, but that has nothing to do with a gender pay gap, that has to do with how society sees what is seen as more important and how the unions have worked for workers rights.
If you want to compare men and womens sport, it comes down to how much companies are willing to sponsor clubs and teams. And how much money these said companies will benefit from it. So if they think they will get more exposure from men sports they will put more money into it, meaning men will get paid more. But if qorks on getting bums on seats to watch games. That is they certain players get paid more than others
So you didn’t watch the panel. All of them agree with what you’re saying haha
@@rachelrust i did watch it, and i wouldn't say they all agree with what i said. Some agree with me yes. But some are so far from what i think. Did you read every bit of what i said? Also some of what was said was absolute garbage.
I made my main comment of "why only women up there" because if you wish to have a discussion about being equal, how can it be when there is only one side of a story.
Depending on your IQ taking care of kids could be very very difficult.
After all it's a complex task that keeps changing.
I love listening to Kate Andrews, Not because she's a woman but because she knows her stuff. Very well researched.
Women prefer a less stressful life and end up living longer.
Paternity leave would be far more productive if taken when the children are 5-10 years old.
@naliuj Paternity
@naliuj The same thing you will do with a mother that can barely get out of bed for that time frame.
@naliuj Nope, 5 years old and older.
Considering men work a lot more than women, and we have most of the high paying jobs, of women get paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes, that means women are generally getting paid more, and a minority of men are the highest earners.
If there really was a *gender pay gap,* business managers would simply hire all women and reduce payroll expense by 15% or whatever amount these liars say - and improve their profit margin and EBITDA and get bigger bonuses.
53:30 - Decoded - Actually I myself have benefited greatly from Sexism and gender discrimination as they only wanted a woman so I was hired.
Kate as always has a sensible unbiased factual approach to this subject
This is such a great debate that intellectually represents both sides of the issue, without getting overly argumentative or heated. Why is everybody in the comment section so mad?
Why is the free market never mentioned in these discussions. If I want to pay a man X and a woman Y then so be it. Why should you or anybody else decide how I spend my money? End of.
they did, 2 of the 4 women suggested that programmers were in high demand and nurses were is shortage because of immigration issues etc, but the older women with the short hair said that we should value jobs differently in society. 3/4 women believed that gender pay gap was more to do with societal issues and nothing or very little to do with women who get paid less then their males counter parts who do the same jobs.
@@raysonviswas Well not quite. My point about the free market is not that prices will tend to sort themselves out - that's a consequence of a free market. The foundation of a free market is that we should all be able to charge and pay whatever we choose. If we can't find someone to trade with then tough - it's up to us to revisit our our decisions. Any further discussion is like arguing about how to defend ourselves against the cheeseman of the moon - totally pointless.
The first pillar of Marxism is that people own their own labor. The second pillar is that the price a person sells his labor at is dictated by a central authority. That's the end of Marxism right there. Hoisted by their own petard.
Men and women are different, and no amount of social engineering is going to change it.
all white, all women. what diversity
Why does race matter in this discussion of gender?
@@alegriart Discrimination of wages based on race is illegal and I'd wager its supposed systematic prevalence is as mythical as the gender pay gap being a function of sexism.
I am 47 years old and have never EVER earned more than any woman I have worked with. Some fucker owes me some money.
I think air hosts should get paid the same as pilots...seems logical to me....NOT!
About as logical getting crew trained as hostesses flying the planes
"This is your pilot Becky speaking. Last week I was serving drinks in the cabin. Today I'm giving flying the plane a whirl. Wish us luck!"
Meanwhile in the coalmine:
The what gap?
Meanwhile on the oil rigs:
The what gap?
Meanwhile at the steel mill:
The what gap?
All this panel has is a MALE GAP.
So a panel of women talking about whether or not women get paid less? I'm certain this will be insightful and unbiased.
go and watch it again. was a good coverage of the current state of play in gender wage analysis.
People like to stand on the shoulders of giants and talk shit about those giants; until those giants feel itchy and violently shrug their shoulders.
Quite refreshing with the ladies at the ends of the table
I am a business owner. Let me tell you this: the purpose of every business is to make money. If you do not make money, you are not a business and must close your doors. As a business owner, of I could pay women $0.77 cents on the dollar for the SAME job as a man, I would NEVER hire another male again. Period. Why would I, as a business owner, trying to make money, willing give away 33% for no other reason than to hire a man? It’s dumb. No sane business owner gives away 33%. It doesn’t happen. IF by some reason I do pay a man more for the same job as a woman, it’s because: 1. He is more qualified 2. Been in the position longer or 3. Negotiated a better salary. The very same thing can be said regarding why a pay a woman more than a man! Any argument pushing a pay gap is a lie using misleading or misunderstood metrics to dive the narrative.
yes, there are infinite pay gaps, men have different salaries from other men too, employer/employee relationship is a contractual one and differs for everyone, most companies start their entry level position with the same salary but beyond that it depends on each employee to negotiate the term of his employment
those hags arguing in favor of the gender pay gap misinformation should create their own company and pay their employees equally but i guarantee you that that is not going to happen because just like everyone else, they have prejudices and i don't doubt they'd give preference to those employees that they are fond of
minimum wage i think would be a solution to stop these hags from wasting more time and money on this issue, no pay should be below minimum wage and anything above minimum wage is up to both employer and employee
Not sure why people are disliking this video, surely civil discourse like this is only a positive thing?
Either produce a large number of pilot jobs or whatever that can satisfy all the ambitious people or get ready for a bunch of angry men. All societies through history have had to deal with the risk of angry young men, now you will have a bunch of them earning less than not only other men but a large number of women. Hope it all works out.
{Just an fyi for anyone who might care the study of orchestra hiring with blind screens does not actually show a result in an increase in women, if anything it leads to more men being hired or no over all affect.}
if they don't HIRE you, then set up your OWN companies
Ahhh so you were a diversity hire, makes sense.
There were only two intelligent people on that panel, I’ll let you decide which.
either end of the line up I suspect
Close the pay gap ...grab a shovel and put on your work boots.. start your own business and work over time....just like men do
Why wasnt biology or personality trends brought up?
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase to mean that statistics can be misleading if interpreted incorrectly
Fascinating video. I don't believe there is a gender pay gap, when equal work and equal time is considered, but as most things, the issue isn't as cut and dry and we'd like it to be. It was nice to have a great panel and audience discuss it.
every single manI know who became a house husband were divorced by their wifes for "reasons"
"he wasn't the same man that I married"
"I no longer feel attracted to him"
"he feels like a brother not a lover"
"my better paid more respected boss who I spend most of my hours with undestands me better than my husband"
Studies on that showed the likelihood of women initiating divorce increased by 90% when the wife Made even as little as a few hundred dollars more than her husband.
That was surprisingly respectful, honest, and insightful.
This is actually a quite rational and civilized debate (or discussion) that you can hardly see when it comes to gender issues. Too often these kinds of events are either only one-sided or occupied by people who hate and contempt the other side. I am not a fan of modern feminism but I think at least the feminists in this panel seem willing to discuss.
Why is always a panel of women talking about Gender-related issues? Maybe if these women's groups were not so sexist they could actually focus on gendered issues and not just trying to make women's lives even more privileged.
Because they know that even a single man would not restrict themselves to only some stats or points of view.
@@josephbeckett2330 Or stats that only confirm their biased sexist views
I haven't noticed this trend at all, name your sources and I'll show contrary examples.
@@ericmanget4280 Anything on the ABC, BBC or any other mainstream media broadcaster. Anu gender related course in any university. Plus the video we are commenting on.
@@chriswhitwam721 I don't engage with vague accusations. Also, why is it a problem in the first place? It's a woman's issue because the common consensus now, as seen on this panel, is that a pay gap isn't due to male discrimination and is almost entirely about a female's decision making process and how it is influenced throughout life. The fact of the matter is that a woman's perspective is more valuable when having that discussion. Once again, I still don't concede that it is a trend to omit men from the discussions, name your sources more explicitly please.
1. Men are willing to take jobs that are physically demanding.
2. Men are willing to take more dangerous work. Work related deaths, men 97% women 3%.
3. Men work more hours. On average men work 46 hours a week where women work 36 hours.
4. Men ask for raises more than women do.
5. Men are more likely to relocate for a job.
6. Society in general still considers the man responsible for providing for the family. What's more accepting, stay at home dad, or stay at home mother?
7.in general, women are more likely to sacrafice their career for their partner. Like I mentioned before, men more willing to relocate for a job. When a family relocates for a new job, this is more than likely going to hurt someone's career. One person is taking a job which is obviously better, meanwhile the other person is going to take what's available at the new location. In a lot of cases, women are more likely to make sacrafices just to be in a relationship. My sister met a guy that had a really nice job, but lived 3 hours away. She had a really nice job, when she decided to get serious she moved to be with him. They got married, had 3 kids was a stay at home mom. Kids are all in school now, she is a school cook, because she can drop the kids off at school. And pick them up after school. Her life revolves around her family. This is a decision she made because she wanted a family.
why does nursing pay less than coding?
ever tried to do a couple pf months of nnursing and then sell that months labor to multiple costumers?
because that is what coders do. they spend a month to write a piece of code and then they are able to sell that months labor to multiple costumers.
has very little to do with importance or appreciation or availability of people willing and able to do the job.
Programming is just difficult and requires a huge amount of specialized computing knowledge as well as an IQ that is 1SD or more above average. Being a nurse isn't a picnic either, but it's simply factual that there are many more people capable of performing nurse duties.
@@JohnDoe-xf2ke It's also heavily about how you measure the return. A nurse can only take care of X amount of people a day there's a cost for each person so the return is fixed, the nurse can only be paid based on that return. Now, if you take the result of a programmer's work the return on that is not limited in the same way at all, you can sell a program to as many people as you can reach therefore the monetary value is higher.
Nursing is a very well paying job in Canada
After all... men who choose NOT to marry and have kids or even deal with women intimately, those men get penalised MORE for it, in taxes and other social things and attitudes that say those things he chose are unhealthy and not normal.
MGTOW is the only solution to this... if all men went MGTOW this would even be an issue, women would realise it is them ESPECIALLY who want those kids, and men sort of accept them and love them to keep her happy.
7:58 Agribly it is more important to keep in the air than serving drinks🤦🤦
at my workplace, my boss, the finance manager is a woman, the plant manager who technically has a slightly lower ranking than her is a man. he is 20-25 ish years older, they both do a lot of unpaid overtime ( he does more in hours but the quality of his work is far lower seeing how me and her constantly have to cover up his mistakes) she earns around 100-200 euros more than him after taxes. So women: it is entirely possible, you just have to be willing to put in the work. working in accounting/finance/administration, i've had more female bosses than male.
Where are the men in the panel? It's misandry!! Lol
"Why do men athletes make more than female athletes?"
This question clearly didn't come from a place of honesty.
Players are paid by how much revenue they bring into their sport. This is no different than asking the question why football players aren't paid the same as basketball or baseball players. Leaving gender aside it still answers the question: Its because different sports generate different amounts of revenues that get passed down to players from the owners.
Bring gender back into it and ask, why WNBA players don't make anything close to their Male counterparts? It's because the WNBA as a whole generates $30 million a year in revenue and the NBA generates over $10 billion a year. It's very simple when you look at it from a business standpoint and don't try to interject gender equality into it.
If one looks at the sport of tennis, the prize money (at least at Wimbledon) is the same for the women as it is for the men. To earn that prize money, however, the men on their best day must win as many sets as the women must win on their worst day, namely 3 sets, despite the fact that women supposedly outstrip men when it comes to physical stamina. What's more, the very best female players, number 1 and 2 in the women's rankings, have been shown to be unable to beat a man that was 203rd in the men's rankings, and that was with him choosing to play with his off-hand.
@@leomoran142 Dang, I have never paid attention to tennis but that's crazy. Thanks for the additional info!
"No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one. It is a way of forcing women in a certain direction.“ - Simone de Beauvoir
Feminists really care about women...
The blonde feminist on the panel mentioned how talking about the pay gap will negatively affect women is bs. She literally went into feminist studies instead of business or technology. So she is an example of what she said was bs.
Are you 12? She’s saying the gender gap is utter bullshit, did we watch the same panel? It’s bullshit because it has nothing to do with discrimination. Feminazis use the gender pay gap and claim it’s discrimination by men. IT ISNT. If you watched the panel they talked about free choice, motherhood, social conditioning, and biology. Talking about something like the pay gap doesn’t help. Pushing women into better fields is the solution.
@@rachelrust I said the blonde feminist, not the blonde rational business owner. She was saying that making the gender pay gap an issue won't negatively affect girls. It negatively affected her because instead of being a scientist, she became a gender studies major. Got it?
With both my children i asked my partner to take the full paternity leave with her going back to work. She laughed so hard then commented “why would I give up time off work”
Good luck to any guy who suggests it?
That old bags comparison between coding and nursing is complete BullShit. I work for an international software company in the Quality Assurance department and my GF is a RN at the hospital here. She makes 30k more a year than I do and 10K more than our senior programmers. Being a Registered Nurse pays very well. Maybe she was meaning a Care Aid?
In Finland average salary for nurse is 2350eur/month (but the range is 2200-3300). Average salary for programmer is 3100eur/month (and range is 2500-5000). And I think it is mostly due to nurses being paid by government (tax money) and most programmers are paid by companies (where the programmer is bringing in money for the company). Nurses should be paid more, but no politician is willing to raise the taxes to fund it.
@@alegriart In Canada there are 3 levels of Nursing. Care Aids, LPNs, and RNs.
IF an RN nurse in Findland makes 3000 euros average.
That's 4525.00$ dollars cnd/Aus. ( Canada and Aussie have almost par dollar exchange rate)
The RN's I know here in Canada make anywhere from 80 to 110,000k a year. Which means their gross monthly pay is around 6-7,000 cnd$
Here is the kicker. In Canada the income tax rate for 80-110k is 33%.
In Australia that same person making 90k would pay 45,000$ in taxes (50%)
In Findland the same RN would pay 49-51% in taxes. Seems to be the issue isnt the overall pay for nurses in your countries. Its your governments taking too much in taxes.
Men overall choose jobs that pay more, women overall choose jobs that pay less this doesn't mean that women get payed differantly for the same job it just means that overall all womens earnings is less than all mens earnings. And this is perfectly fine. it isnt a problem and doesnt need to be changed or fixed.
for example lets say out of 100 women 70 of them choose to go into nursing jobs which tend to be on the somewhat lower end of the pay scale and the remaining 30 choose higher paying jobs, then there is 100 men and 30 men are choosing low paying jobs and the remaining 70 are taking higher paying jobs like oil rig workers, commercial fishing, Trades the difficult and dangerous jobs that women mostly do not want to do but because they are difficult and dangerous they pay more than most other types of jobs.
in this example the 70 nurses are payed the same as any male nurses that, and the 30 higher payed women whatever their field eg. lawyer, doctor, one of the few women that choose the same difficult dangerous job as men like oil rig workers, commercial fishing, Trades are payed the same as their male counterparts but because there is a larger number of men CHOOSING the higher paying jobs and a higher number of women CHOOSING the lower payed jobs out of these 2 groups of 100/100 men/women the men overall are earning more and it is completely fair.
This has been a dumbed down example of what the gender pay gap is on a small scale, the same thing happens on the large scale in our society and it is all the pay gap is. If you want to eliminate that pay gap which there is no reason for it since it is purely the result of peoples free choice then the only way to do that is to PREVENT PEOPLES FREE CHOICE, the least tyrannical way that people try to do this is via quotas but quotas are still pretty bad but that is a whole differant discussion.
PS the reason things like programing and coding is payed better than nursing is because programing and coding is far more scaleable. For example a nurse can only do so much for other people per day, but if you create something to sell, especially something digital then that thing can be sold to several billion people all around the world (depending on how popular/wanted the thing you create is) and that makes more money which is why that makes more money than say nurses.
20:03 Why programmers get payed more than nurses? -Scalability! You can only help one person at a time and can only provide care to a certain number of people per day. Programmer makes software that can be sold in infinite number of copies and the revenue from it is that much larger. theoretically, good software can sell a million copies a day, a nurse cannot tend to a million people per day.
This discussion is useless. Men for the most part, work more hours at jobs that are also higher paying, such as construction and the various trades. Women often work at jobs where social interaction is an important factor. Doctors offices, nursing, and the like. How many female plumbers or electricians have you ever seen. Heavy equipment operators or garbage collectors. Women take time off to have children and start a family, thus they are out of the work force for long periods of time. Do the math. Also men do hazardous jobs that women choose not to do, that pay more.
There’s a difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome. It all boils down to this simple principle.
1 minute and 20 seconds in and this redheaded tool says I don't want a stat slinging match I want to get into the politics of it ... says everything we need to know about this person ..
She (the host), is a fervent anti-feminist who actually rejects the whole concept of the pay gap. She would agree with you. Your knee-jerk reaction is disturbing.
21:00
"I think the biggest concern is if we're saying men HAVE to take peternity we're forcing this to be equak, then we're actually undermining women's choice to stay at home."
So your biggest concern is that that would undermine women's choice to stay at home by some implication... NOT the fact that you'd be taking away men's choice by sending them on a mandatory leave and condemning then to slave labour. Bravo! The pro-man side of the argument just demonstrated ridiculous misandry!
Why do so many genderized discussions continue to exclude a male delivering the male perspective ? Did they invite any men ? Though, in fairness, the woman on the left did a decent job of presenting some of the male perspective. Women have a marriage penalty and men have a marriage pay bonus ? Other than adding a child to group healthcare, no employer gives a male a bonus. The higher male pay is due entirely to the male choosing to work more hours, negotiating for higher pay through an increase in job responsibilities or switching jobs, employers or sometimes relocation to another city, state or country.
3:10 "Maybe we should make it mandatory for men to take leave to care for their children."
Only three minutes in, already contemplating a restriction of freedom.
which would be the only way to battle this earnings gap as most of it comes down to personal choices and freedom to do so....but hopefully we always ignore those lunatics and let ppl live their lifes and accept that statistics dont have to be equalized by the cost of freedom
It’s an insult to claim women are penalized by providing child care!! They want, desire and obtain great happiness in caring for their children!! My wife was horrified and unhappy that our children were being cared for by others!! And why do male athletes and programmers get paid more?? They’re generating more $$$ for their employers!! They possess and do jobs that require more lucrative skills!!
A panel debating gender issues without one of the genders being represented.
MacTaggert has got the answer. Make laws that control male behaviour. If men won't take parental leave, make a law. If men work longer hours, make a law. If men are more productive, make a law and so on.
Who gets to enforce these laws. Not MacTaggert that's for sure That's dirty, dangerous shit and we know who is expected to do that work. At a lower rate soon because MacTaggert says that there should be a law.
i minabrons and all these laws to stop discrimination by being discriminatory.
@@thelongstory6395 You missed his satire :S
@@thelongstory6395 as pointed out, you got totally whooshed. The one lady was arguing for mandatory paternity leave, in an attempt to make things equal. This is obviously ridiculous because different couples have different financial situations. what if the man is the sole breadwinner? What if the woman's pay plus the reduced paternity pay is not enough to sustain their lifestyle?
The original commenter merely continued to take that same logic further.
@@alegriart no, it's hard for a man to take time off because men are still the majority bread winners (obviously single mother's can't be factored into this, it's a completely different situation) and paternity leave doesn't pay full wage.. As I touched on in my other comment. Taking that pay cut can have a major impact.
Same job same years of experience and same work output. How much do they make per hour or salary. The only way to see if one is being discriminated against. Its not really worth the time.
Chris Rock got it spot on - When men tell their friends about their new girlfriend, they ask, what does she look like? When Women tell their friends about their new boyfriend, they ask, what does he do??
I’m a hs drop out. I get paid about
$30. An hr to climb dead dangerous trees and make them safe. Usually I cut them down to make them safe. I’ve been doing this for about 30yrs.
NEVER have I seen a woman do my job