Will adding 70 grains to my arrow destroy my trajectory? (620 grains total)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2022
- Did going from 547 grains to 620 grains destroy my trajectory and point of impact? Plus, I risk my chronograph to find out it’s arrow speed at 100yrds.
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Update: speed at 100 yards with this setup is;
-Speed 235 FPS
-Momentum 0.646
-Kinetic Energy: 75.953
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Also, CORRECTION to the 100yrd speed it is 235 FPS not 252😔.
Did this make it slower than the lighter arrow?
It is nice seeing you come over into the dark side my friend. You cannot beat a quiet bow and a quiet arrow. It’s like putting a silencer at the end of your gun.
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Ok I subscribed already! Lol. Good content
Bro the audio was all money !! That fuss ball made it that good ? WOW !
Audio is great!🎉
Archery is such an awesome hobby - I am surprised that more people are not involved in it. Just found your channel. Thank you for the great content.
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Great video , great teaching . Love the name , Privileged Bowhunter !
When the arrow doesn't erode over time u get a truer shot. I'm talking out the arrow fluttering or parachuting when it's too light @ longer distances. If the spine allows u can have a 530-570 grain arrow keep incredible accuracy @ longer distances if it's a 4mm shaft with 4 low profile vanes. But a 600 grain arrow and up will be quieter upon release.
Mahalo for the videos, I like all the testing
Great video!
The kawhi laugh never gets old!
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The audio is clear enough that seeing the trees in the background seemed weird till you mentioned the mic.
Fantastic video as usual!
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Audio sounds great, can't tell it's windy.
That 235 FPS is still insane though (86.4% of original fps). That means that even at those far out distances you still have plenty of lethal force moving. I shoot recurves so much less fast but another data point to say that if your slow you might as well hit hard since the speed drop within effective hunting ranges really is not going to be significant.
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Shooting over a chronograph at a 100yards! I will have to try that ! You have a new subscriber here!
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I’m shooting this weight arrow out of my recurve. 50# at my draw length. I’m getting 170fps about 6’ off the shelf.
“I don’t really care” 😂 Keep it up brother. Can’t wait to see what your typical arrow speed was
How fast is your arrow going right before impact?
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You and I shoot same draw and roughly the same setup. I actually have 3 different weight broadheads in my quiver for different applications, but all the arrows weigh the same at 550g.. I'm an east coast hunter and I've hunted Kauai . You shoot 81# mathews I shoot a 80# hoyt. AT 80# you tip the scales of spine weights. You could drop 5# off your draw and it would keep you in the 260 spine, I did that on my setup. My main broadheads are 150g because I wanted to shoot the IW wides that were not vented.. I shoot IW 150 wides and 150 single bevels. I personally do NOT want to go to 600g+ arrows. I blow through everything. I've actually lost more broadheads due to them being stuck in logs or roots than I have to lack of penetration. My sight tape gets me out to 114 yards. FOC be damned. I've been shooting 500-550g arrows for 25 years. I've tried chasing FOC but I've also never had arrow penetration issue.. I said all that to say, you can save yourself money on new arrows if you just drop 5# off your draw weight
that's a good fluffy mic cover! what is it?? I shot Ironwill S Series 150 on GoldTip, Black Label Quantum 250, 3 fletch AAE Max, was 525 grains at about 272 ft/sec. max. Overall, in practice it was okay, but I noticed some arrow wiggle in flight, which is probably more Bow Turning issue. My max comfortable distance was 60 yards in practice. Unfortunately never got a shot opportunity this season but will look to practice with this set up more now. Bow is Mathews V31, 29" draw, 70#.
Thanks for this video, will be following along! Mahalo
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I'm picking up some axis 5mm 200 spine this week I'm dropping from vulcan 200 spine 760+ gr to hopefully 580ish. I have a V3 29" 75lbs shot a buck dead in the shoulder at 21yrds with my current set up and didn't get in the cage. Very disappointed so I'm upping my speed to hopefully help. 760+gr is slow as dirt out of the V3@75lbs.
Thanks for sharing cool info and good shooting!
What type of broadhead did you use? I'm considering building a setup around 650gr, would love to know yours too get some feedback.
Did you bare shaft tune your bow to that arrow?
Maybe try to put some of that weight in the F.O.C.. Using heavy arrows for the sake of heavy arrows isn't as effective as higher F.O.C arrows. 700 grains at 10 % is not the same thing as 700 grains at 17% for example.
@@casanovafrankenstein8875 so my FOC is 19% so what's your thoughts?
@@derrickross192 hey brother I am shooting a three blade Rocky Mt cut on contact 160gr with 200gr ss insert n collar by ethics. I also have some van demon 150gr single bevels that are pretty sweet too. I'm dropping back on totally weight so I can regain speed to help with the punch.
Audio is awesome brother, thanks for the work. I have the V3x 33 and I love it…I also have the Ventum Pro 33…love that sucker too. Great bows…also, why do you take your legs off when you shoot? I just keep mine on, can’t tell a difference on or off when shooting personally. You do you, I’m not complaining and am the type that I’m happy with what you do, as long as it works for you…but do you feel a difference with it on, or was it a wind thing, since it was so windy?
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Awesome videos. Is there a noticeable difference with vibration and noise with the limb savers on?
~600-620 is a good goldilocks zone for 80# bows. It's equivalent of about 500-520 for 70# bows
Great video. I see in the comments below that you are shooting 81 lbs at a 31.25 inch draw length. Is that correct?
My setup is likely going to be a Mathews Atlas set at 75lbs with a 32 or 32.5 inch draw length. I believe I am going to have to adopt a similar 200 spine 5mm Axis for my set-up. For comparison purposes can you share your arrow length (end to end of the carbon shaft) and the total tip weight (tip plus insert). Thanks!
you'll probably need to add a bit of elevation, same as you do shooting your standard arrow at 20~25 yards and then taking a shot at 45~50 yards.
The heavier arrow will be traveling slower, draw weight and length the same as with a lighter arrow.
Gravity will pull both to the ground at the same speed, regardless of the horizontal speed of a projectile.
Fun fact: If you simultaneously fire a .22 rimfire rifle ~1200 feet per second), and a rifle chambered for .220 Swift (4,000 feet per second) with the bores perfectly horizontal, AND drop a 600 grain bullet from a .50 BMG cartridge from the same height as the centerline of the rifle bores, all three pullets will hit the ground at the same time. The .220 Swift is traveling a lot faster than the .22 rimfire, thus going a much greater distance, giving the illusion the .220 Swift has a flatter trajectory. In reality, their trajectory - time it takes for them hit the ground after leaving the barrel, is the same. The slower .22 rimfire needs more time to reach the same distance, so it requires more elevation, making the arch the bullet travels higher. At 100 yards, for example, the rimfire bullet may drop 8 inches or so, while the .220 swift may have dropped a small fraction of an inch. Any bullet (or arrow) needs enough elevation so the arch of the projectile and the line of sight intersect at the given distance.
Therefore, the correct answer is: No. A heavier arrow will not mess up your trajectory. The arrow is falling to the ground at the same speed. That has not changed. The time in flight has changed, so you need to adjust the elevation accordingly. 😁
Well the old adage I was taught in archery back in 1970 was any change to your equipment will result in overall change. One thing I will say about adding weight to your arrow ? You will simply DEMOLISH what you shoot. I personally am a believer in a heavy arrow. I shoot from 550 grains to 625 grains on my 80 pound bow,,,,,300 FMJ or a 200 spine all carbon. My 200 spine are 12.8 grains an inch,300 FMJ are very close to that s well.
audio is great brother great video and good shooting
I didn't catch the name of those limb dampeners.
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272 at over 600 grains!? Winner winner chicken dinner!
You shoot some heavy arrows dude! Im shooting 406 gr arrows right now at 70lbs 30” dl
What’s up brother, I’m still waiting on my Molokai invite 😂😂😂
@@PrivilegedBowhunter lets do it! Im waiting to get passes lined up for next year and lets plan a bow hunt!
Additionally, it must be an awesome feeling to get 272 fps with an arrow that heavy - I get just under 260 fps and my arrow only weighs 460 grains. You could shoot through the moon with that setup.
You get nothing but pass throughs with that set up dude..I tinker alot..this year went to a 300 spine 592 grain and 60 lbs bow and it hits very hard..I'm about to do the same thing with 80 lbs and 200 spine....perfect video for me thanks
60-80lb jump is a big one please protect your shoulders
I shoot 665 grains At 63 lbs the last 4 years out of three different bows. And have shot 6 deer through the shoulder intentionally. All have dropped on the spot.
So your old arrow was 287 up close and 240 at 100yards, and your new arrow is 272 up close and 253 at 100 yards… That is interesting. It would be interesting to see where the overlap is. I mean it would be interesting to see at what distance they are actually shooting the same speed…🤔
I was thinking the same thing, there will probably be a part two to this video
Ranch fairy and DIY sportsman both did the physics explaining this
Bruh...some serious reps happened for that level of marksmanship! ✌🏾🏹
I'm so glad u made this video. I make all my arrows. Start with blank shafts & do alot of nock-tuning before I even put vanes on. When I do put vanes on I use 4 small low profile vanes. My setup was scary @ the bowshop when my 4mm arrows on the chrono were buried into the wall up close where they have u blind bail. I can tell u that @ 63 lbs. & a 30" draw it was 262 f.p.s. & with a 520 grain 300 spine arrow. Since then I have several arrow builds from 530 grains to 640 grains. Most of them r very well tuned of the 4mm variety. My 640 is a steel/carbon 300 spine with a 125 grain Ethics insert/outsert with a low profile Bishop Holy Trinity head. Pretty much a backup arrow that is very tough. I don't shoot from the distances u do but I also never hunt from the ground. When u shoot a well balanced arrow from a 🌳 it's even quieter to an animal cuz the hunter & prey r on 2 different sound planes. IMO f.p.s. is way over-rated & impact specifically point of impact is under-rated. I know that the deer u were talking about could have been shot in front of the shoulder with an exit just behind the opposite shoulder. Recently I shot a deer from the ground b4 I could get up in a 🌳. Cuz I was on the ground I used the 640 grain setup & made the shot tight behind the shoulder @ 15 yards. If I was up in the 🌳 I would have had a more forward impact but on the ground with the head going from feeding to looking @ me made me take the shot due to not wanting a moving neck shot. The shot angled after the one lung was hit & exited through the liver. I was fortunate minutes later after it went only 30 yards & I was able to put the same arrow through the front of the chest. After the liver one blade just put a minor gash outside of the abdominal cavity w/o going through it & spoiling the animal. The sound is so quiet @ release & that means u aren't burning up energy cuz it's energy stored. I like to see more efficiency with bowhunters since the result is animals going down more often quicker. That will lead to the Hogstopper mindset going away for good 👍. Thanks again & keep em comin.
What pound draw was the Mathews bow that you were using in this test?
Black Eagle makes 150 spine, and Grizzly stick makes 170's,,,,,
HEY! YOU DONT NEED AN ARROW THAT HEAVY FELLA! lol. So I’m guessing you’re going to hunt Cape Buff? more lol. It should be quiet pushing a big boy arrow. Love it man. Might as well do what gives you the most confidence. That heavy one is still moving plenty fast to kill anything. And we all know any deer can drop so fast there’s no arrow going to beat him. Trouble is gonna be when you bury that head 12” deep in the lava rock after the kill shot and can’t pull it free. ( we don’t need to know about your puffy balls- below viewers pay grade).
Not sure how you don't have more subs well I know you don't do a bunch of click bait shock value videos. Anyways always good information here im aiming for my 23 arrow setup to be around the same weight your shooting but my bow is slower and I think im a bit shorter in length I draw right at 30 inches. Itll actually be a reduction in weight as I shot 692 this deer season worked fine but looking for that goldilocks setup.
You must be shooting 80#|30in to get those speeds out of 620 gr
Close…31” 81lbs
What are in those target butts? Also if someone knows the formula to determine kinetic energy of those arrows please pipe in
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Hi, what do think? from 10-40 yards I'm hitting point of aim. At 60 yards, my arrows is hitting about three inches to the left. When I adjust it to hit point of aim, my 10-40 yards is now off to the right. What do you think, arrow spine issue with temperature change from summer to winter or is it me? This is my budget compound setup that was ok during the summer, ok meaning I had a large dish side group at 60 yards then but now my group is tighter but not point of aim. And if I try to fix it, it's like the arrow wants to boomerang.
Your second axis on your sight could be off
That could be a tuning issue, form issue, or the second axis on your sight. Basically your pins may not be straight up and down and the longer the distance, the greater this effect becomes. Hence why you dont notice it till 60 yards. Look up a video explaining the axis adjustments and why its important
Could be a couple things. Shoot thru paper again at 7 yards. Make sure still in tune.
Thanks for the advice everyone. My second axis was way off and I had to work on my form which was off as well, since I haven't shot in months after a back injury. My son dropped my bow a few months back, I'm thinking that may have knocked it out of adjustment because before i stopped shooting when it was still warm, everything was fine.
Your speeds are insane, what's the DW and DL?
81lbs 31.25”
What limb dampeners did you buy? This is literally where my mind went when the phase 4 was released. Also had them on my previous bows (hoyts) so it was always a thought since I got the V3.
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@@PrivilegedBowhunter thanks! Love the content!
Haha got to love the people who say you don't need a arrow that heavy.
Got to remember they are God's gift to archery and always make perfect shots on everything!
My light setup is 688 grains with a 85lb compound.
My medium is 84lb recurve with a 923 grain arrow at 33 yards with a Buffalo full pass through and shaft was sticking in the ground half way on other side.
Haven't shot a buffalo with my 107lb longbow yet, ill try soon as I get time.
But the perks of shooting a fixed blade 600+ grain setups are if you hit a shoulder or a rib on a moose, elk, buffalo, hippo, etc it breaks it and goes through it.
With a light arrow it will bounce off or not even penetrate it.
Also if you have to worry about trajectory that much, your stalking ability on a animal suck.
Good video man, aim small, miss small brother.
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What limb savers are those?
If your getting 270fps at that arrow weight
Thats perfect
Im 28.5" pse expedite 84lbs 660 grain arrow
Moving at 260fps
And it shoots so much nicer and more forgiving then my 505 grain arrow
Any ppl ask why shoot the heavy one??
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Why not
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Honestly 50 grains at your draw length and draw weight... not really much considering you are already considered pretty heavy. If you want to maintain your speed but need to go up in spine I highly recommend Victory Rip TKO arrows.
Are they as durable and consistent as the axis? I’m kind of stuck in my ways lol
In my opinion and experience they are better than Easton arrows for hunting. They are a carbon weave which is incredibly durable and much less likely to split or splinter than standard carbon arrows. I think if you pick them up and try them, you will probably be hooked. They are that good.
@@PrivilegedBowhunter Also could check out DaySix arrows, they have been the most durable arrows i have experience with, far superior compared to any of the big name brands.
My experience is they are significantly tougher than the axis. I only use the axis arrows for 3d league now.
Victory doesn’t make a 200 spine arrow. I wish they did. They do make a 235 in a VAP though, which is what I shoot. A little more money but they fly nice!
Need to get a Lab Radar in your life if, record arrow speeds at every 10 yards out to a 100. 272fps with that weight is money.
I can’t afford it 😂😂😂 until I can I’ll keep risking my chrono 🤦🏾♂️
Odd that you had the Chrono but didnt use it to get the speeds at the various ranges?
You know as OCD as you are there WILL be a new sight tape. I would. Confidence. Is your rifle 1” off zero? Nope
Sight tape coming this week
Wondering what release you are running ?
Nock2it or Carter wise choice it’s pretty much the same thing. Here’s a link amzn.to/3FycQiL
What mic is that???
DJI wireless
I don’t understand this obsession with very heavy arrows!!!. A 425 gr arrow is more than plenty to harvest any big game in North America. It comes down to shoot placement. Of course this is my humble opinion… hI believe that speed is more important that weight… But keep the excellent job,SUA SPONTE..,
A 425gr it's perfect until you hit a shoulder blade or rib... that's when the heavy arrows shine, it's a plan b arrow.
I’m obsessed with a quiet arrow which is why I went from vented broadheads to solids which are heavier.
The goal is to get a pass through. Even if you hit bad placement and hit a large bone. At the very least after hitting a large bone, you're at least still in the vitals instead of stopping at the large bone.
@Privileged Bowhunter Also a heavy arrow quiets your bow. When I was shooting light arrows my bow sounded like a .22 going off, its way quieter now with 550gr arrows.
Pass thrus are vital. I went from 420s to 500 with 19 percent foc and I blow thru deer now and pigs. With the light setups you routinely have half arrows sticking out of deer
You should have measured the penetration to see which one penetrated deeper. I’ve done that study at home (V3X 33” 75# 30.5” 80% let off 600gr arrow vs 450gr arrow) in a target and I was surprised with what I found.
What did you find?
The lighter arrow actually penetrated deeper every time. My take away from my personal experiment was kinetic energy is on a bell curve and just because your projectile is heavier does not necessarily mean it penetrates deeper.
But that was just from my findings. I’m no scientist or professor lol.
Foam is not a consistent medium to test penetration is the problem. 20% balistic gel seemed to be better but not perfect either. I waiting to find the answer from a engineering friend, he's trying to come up with something similar to muscle tissue consistency.
@@javiermonroe5249 targets are designed to stop arrows. Heavy penetrates deeper everytime period. Its simple physics man. The only real test is on meat
Are you talking from experimental experience or from what you’ve heard ? Heavier arrows at the same speed yes will penetrate deeper. You have to compare apples to apples not apples to oranges. Like I said kinetic energy is on a bell curve simply adding weight and changing anything else does not automatically equal deeper penetration. Take a REAL physics class buddy not TH-cam university. Penetration and kinetic energy is not that simple As adding a couple grains, you need to think of kinetic energy on a bell curve not a linear path. It doesn’t work like that bud 😂.
In no way shape or form am I bashing @ privileged bow hunter
This message is directed at you @Mike Guy since you were so smart lol.
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