@@zenitfan4life It's a theory that's also supported by the "Elo World" video for Crystal, where the video creator actually explains every subroutine for smart trainers.
Scott, I love how you highlight your failures. We learn from failures and it shouldn't be met with shame but rather celebration! love your videos, keep working hard
I grew up playing StarCraft around a lot of other players (and my younger self) where the culture was to be like “what I’m doing is perfect, don’t tell me I’m wrong.” Eventually I learned that being humble tends to be the better path to walk.
Had this thought when I saw the moveset: I'd love to see a gen 1 Wooper backport! Amnesia early on, starting with Water Gun for an easy Brock, gen 1 Blizzard, and even fairly early EQ Erika might be a road block, but that's it. Blizzard, Surf, Earthquake and Amnesia sounds like an unstoppable moveset, even with Wooper's awful stats
I think only for meganium though because venusaur and vileplume take neutral from sludge bomb. ice punch is relearnable so it would be decent to just buy 2 ice punch tms and then reteach it after you finish rival fights
@@wideright7567All grass/poison types take more damage from a neutral earthquake so that doesn't matter. The only things that ice punch has a significant range is flying types that are 4x weak to ice (Dragonite, Jumpluff, Gligar)
Always loved the Wooper line. Excellent, complementary typing. Makes a great partner for Cyndaquil/Chikorita. STAB Earthquake, learned naturally through level up at a reasonable level of 31 or 35 if evolved. Only shared by the Geodude line until you reach the Kanto region. I agree with the others that Surf is a very useful option that you could try learning over Ice Punch / Return. Would help speed up the Rocket section and can be forgotten by the Move Deleter before you face Clair's dragons.
Is there a mistake in your tier list? The F tier is labeled with "< 2:15:00", which would usually mean faster than 2:15. However, whooper is slower and on top in this tier?
Not really, the tiers are based on if they could get passed that time mark. Since Wooper landed at 2 hours and 16 minutes, he is on top as the rest unfortunately are much slower than what Whooper had performed. You can watch their respective runs on the channel with Natu and Slugma's being two of the more recent ones.
@@ScottE-2 y but the next Problem is your second last tier states >2:30 wich is slower then 2:30 and so there is no place for pkm between 2:15 and 2:30 😅 is u would laber it >2:15 everything would make mathematecly sense 🙊🙊
Scott, you got supereffective move tunnelvision. In several videos now I've seen you do this. It causes you to take risks that are unnecesairy and costs you deaths that are avoidable. The death against the trainer with the full bulbasaur line might have been preventable if you didn't tunnel in on ice punch. Ice punch only has marginally stronger power then earthquake but earthquake is going to do more damage because wooper has more attack then special attack and venusaur has less defense then special defense.
You mentioned modelling after the scientific method, and it reminded me of a chemistry paper that "Limited the device to half of it's maximum power, because it made a really loud noise past that and was quite annoying."
One thing I have noticed, that I wonder if anyone else has noticed, in your videos is that you also time the little arrow in Lances dialog box with the battle theme. I first noticed this many many many videos ago. It's the little things you do that make me appreciate how much effort you put into these videos.
I've been catching up on a lot of your old videos, now caught up to the start of 2023 so getting close to being caught up! 😃Just wanted to say I enjoy your content, love the recurring inside jokes and your overall attitude towards these runs!!
Woop woop! Wooper was every bit the struggle I expected 😅. One thing I do want to flag, though, is that I think the F tier needs to be updated so it says
The interesting thing about the most recent generation, is that while the starter dynamic STARTS with them picking up your weakness, when they evolve their secondary typing is actually reversed. That way they teach you while you have an advantage, but by the end you have to work around a much more complex state. Dual status makes you both strong and weak against each other. For instance, if you pick up Sprigatito, a Grass type, your rival will pick up Quaxly, a Water type. You learn about types while you have the advantage. Later, when they evolve, the dynamic switches. You grass kitty evolves to Meowscarada, it picks up a Dark typing. When your rival's water duck evolves to Quaquaval, it picks up Fighting. All of a sudden your grass kitty is sweating, because that Fighting type really messes up Dark types. With Skeledirge being a Fire type that picks up a Ghost type, the reverse triangle is complete. Fire > Grass > Water Ghost < Dark < Fighting
Except that the secondary typings are forming a line, and not a circle. Fire > grass > water > fire is much better than poor Skeledirge having to be scared of both starters because of the dark typing of Meowscarada and the water typing of Quaquaval.
@@wesleyquere4979 Just like the Meowscarada has to worry about the fire moves and the fighting moves. Skeledirge isn't special in this interaction. I'm confused as to what you're even trying to say. Are you trying to say that the Water Duck is the winner because he doesn't have to worry about a weakness, only an immunity for his strongest STAB? Like sure, I get the argument that the duck wins slightly in that type matchup, but I mean, Skeledirge gets Torch Song. Its the main starter pick for speedruns for a reason, its the strongest by far in a vacuum.
It was just an example. My issue with the new system isnt that it's bad and blabla it sucks, it's clever and interesting, but for me the simplicity of knowing you can't really rely on your first pokémon to beat the rival, therefore searching for a type that would counter it, was really charming. There's also what i see as fixing what isn't broken, as you said yourself they're giving you an easy time early on and a hard time later ,but the only thing that does is help you learn types after quite a few hours of gameplay, when you either know them well or have a phone in your pocket. The old system made it feel like the game challenged you head-on, now it's putting duct tape where it's not needed. Skeledirge is by far the strongest, and a good part of that is Torch Song, sure, but without the move, it'd be average even for speedruns. Maybe a bit better since he has a good typing i guess? But in SP now, since starters here are all able to do SE damage on each others with strong moves, the fastest will most likely one shot the others, and suddenly the weed cat is broken since it can one shot the other two, and the duck can avoid the lizard's one-shot from it's STAB. Thank god online play is so much more complex! TL;DR cool idea, correct execution, don't understand why they did this now when most kids have played at least one game before and most of the playerbase is at the very least over 20.(Sorry for the textbook. :c)@@NaturesFlame
@@wesleyquere4979 Sorry for the late reply, youtube decided to just stop notifying me of replies, but I really wanted to touch on your last point. >most kids have played at least one game before This is NOT how they design the games, and they NEVER have. They treat every single game as if it is your first Pokemon. Because for a lot of people, it always is. They aren't appealing to 20 year olds that battle in VGC and on Smogon. We're gonna buy the game or not. Advertising or appealing to us is functionally and financially pointless. They are, every 3 years, targeting a NEW batch of kids. Thats how you become the biggest franchise in the world (yes, biggest. Even The Mouse can't touch Pokemon). The old system was made in the era of arcades, of "nintendo hard". Kids were expected to "tough it out" with a game a lot more than they are now. This makes sense, because instead of having a dozen games to choose from at my local blockbuster, I now have hundreds of thousands of games on my steam. Games become easier for kids because if they're hard they won't "try harder", they'll go play Fortnite or something.
Great video as always! And since you asked, I feel the pokemon that would suffer the most against Bugsy's Metapod and Kakuna would be Wobbuffet, since it has to either counter their weak physical moves while possibly waiting through a bunch of harden and string shot, or use struggle which requires depleting a lot of PP first. Probably still not hard, but as annoying as it can get.
JRose11 has done that one. Because of their weak moves, he would always run out of PP on Counter, but Struggle would never take out the Scyther before Fury Cutter (super effective) would take out Wobbuffet. He had to use Counter for Metapod and Scyther, and then have all his other moves already out of PP so that once he ran out of Counter PP he could immediately use Struggle to take out Kakuna.
A fresh video to fall asleep to, thanks! I'll be listening to this one for the next few days every night, haha. Just short of my coveted 1 hour mark but close enough!
Rollout is quite powerful and such a feat has also been performed with Dunsparse if memory serves right. Red has no protection from rock type moves as 2 of them are quite weak to it.
I honestly think you should have used surf over headbutt. Ice punch hits everything immune to earthquake in this game and even though wooper has bad spec attack a base 95*1.5 move alone would make it more useful than headbutt
Unfortunately, Surf is simply not viable because there is no Move Deleter in GSC, meaning the final moveset of Return, Curse, Amnesia, and Rest is no longer possible.
That was my initial thought too, but when I watched the playthrough, I didn't really see any situations where surf would have actually been useful, and a few situations where it would have been bad. There are a few opposing gyarados in the playthrough that resist surf while being immune to earthquake, there are very few places where surf is actually better than earthquake, and it takes time to get rid of surf because you can only do it in blackthorn city. Maybe it would have helped for a couple of damage ranges against the rival's golbat, but aside from that, I'm not really sure what surf would have done. It might have helped slightly, but I'm gonna guess the decision between the two was pretty inconsequential at best. From what I saw here, surf is just... shockingly not that good for wooper.
my main gripe is his use of ice punch on dragonaire. scott seems to forget stuff like this. Soft sand earthquake is just straight up better against anything in the game except for 4x weak to ice mons@@redwings13400
Woooopa. Thanks for the video, it gave me something to relax with while I'm suffering from a mysterious illness at the moment (although it meant I had to rewatch bits haha). My head, like Wooper, doesn't exactly feel like the little guy that could but it was fun watching one of my favorite Johto Pokemon go through the game. Cannot wait for December, and it sounds like your voice issues haven't come up either, which is great~. Hope you have a great day.
It’s a shame that Grass moves are such an Achilles heel for Wooper because it’s adorable. I do wonder if using Rare Candies before rival 4 would improve that fight significantly, but otherwise, I’d say you handled Wooper very well!
Wooper is such an adorable pokemon, especially with how it is presented in the thumbnail.😊 Wooper has a great coverage and some great typing ,most of it's problems are the low spacial defense and special attack,and that awful speed stat.🫣 And the 4 times weakness to grass types ,makes it a nightmare for Wooper to deal with them. Luckily grass types has a lot of weakness to bug,ice ,flying and poison. One way to counter them is to use hp bug which can complement it's attack stat or using sludge bomb after beating team rocket at Mahogany . I'm not sure if you could access that part before beating the 6th gym , but if you could that could make sludge bomb a really good option . Because after all most of the mid to late game is filled with pokemon with low defenses and Wooper is more of a physical attacker then a special one . Ice punch is really good when it comes to freeze luck , which can save some extra grinding, so I see why you choose to stick with it throughout both runs. 🤔 But at least I'm really glad that Wooper is not in the Bruno tier . And as for the Gengar playthrough,be careful of dark types and psychic types.😊
I love your content and have enjoyed watching your channel and content grow. Started watching a few years ago and was so psyched to see when you picked ariados for a run after I left a comment. So glad you're finding success and not burning out!
Hey Quincee, that is along time ago! Thanks for sticking around and giving me the time to develop my own style. Also giving me the time to get better at the game and making videos in general.
Thank you for pointing out the Lance intro. I would not have noticed the triangle flashing along with the music in the last measure if you didn’t make me examine it. So many careful details in it.
With how much work you put into giving every Pokemon the best chance it can have, I can believe that you would plan your whole schedule for the year to allow for constant uploads in December.
I remember my first run of gen 2 as a child thinking wooper must be the best water type of all time because for reasons I didn't understand at the time electric moves wouldn't affect it
Oh damn! I can't wait to see the baby pokemon run! I've seen a couple of other challenges using baby mons, I love seeing the different approaches used by different people! 🙂👍
Oh gosh, I just looked up the learnset for gen 2 Kabuto. Calling it now; that poor thing has to be the Pokemon that gets the most walled by Rival 2 =P I predict struggle gets the win at lvl 30
does Gen2 also come with the "pointless fun stats" like bonks? also given that Wooper did it in 22mins in its first playthrough, would be interesting to see a "how long from Lance->Red" for the tier list (would imagine all pokes are pretty similar though)
Wooper's a Pokémon I've adored from first glance, but have only had the occasional experience with. My main Gen 2 playthroughs have both have Totodille as my starter (being my favourite starter pick) so I've usually had Water type covered. Still, love this merry fellow and hope he does well here. 0:48 - Rather funny that the arm-less Pokémon was designed to be a physical attacker. I feel Wooper's greater typing and naturally learned stab Earthquake will give it an easier time for the most part... until you come across a grass trainer like Erika. The rival with a Bayleaf would be a huge obstacle. 2:49 - I like how Wooper can learn Sludge Bomb; fits well with the marshy Pokémon. Odd that it doesn't learn Body Slam naturally, feels like it would be a perfect fit. 5:28 - No PSNCureBerry before Bugsy's gym? Feels like just slapping that or an Oran berry at least would be the solution to the Kakuna Poison Sting situation. 6:52 - I was just thinking that an Amnesia set-up might be just what you need against the Rival's Bayleef. You'd risk a Paralysis chance against the Ghastly but I think preparing as much as possible before a 4x Razor Leaf would be the better call. 9:12 - It's rather funny that the rival's best set is in choosing Chikorita. He has a much better move-set going for the Pokémon than when he steals the other two starters. 14:18 - Dig was how I easily countered Whitney in the past, an I guess I've been lucky, because I've never once struggled her. My brother on the other-hand had a tough time, mainly due to her fast flinching Stomps. 16:09 - So just relying on a little bit of luck here. Do you reckon Muddy here has the quick claw attached to his tail or is equipped onto his magically generated ice fists? 20:47 - To be fair, does anyone struggle against Pryce? Pretty sure he's the Lt Surge of Johto, so very specific conditions have to be met to have a hard time against him. 23:31 - There are? Huh, never knew that. Always fascinating the new things I learn from your videos. 26:32 - Ah, so this is why you decided to talk about Ariana. At least it's a technically significant trainer with a Grass type that is being brought up here; I was half expecting a bunch of random trainers who just so happen to have Grass types to get mentioned as obstacles for Wooper in this run. 32:17 - Unfortunately, what I said about a random trainer with a bunch of Grass types taking Wooper down came to be. I also comment as I watch, many pauses along the way, so I didn't this was about to happen. Spinning trainer Megan (checked her Heart Gold/Soul Silver name) and her army of Saurs; that could be another fun trainer artwork. 39:49 - Rather hilarious that your strategy is to try and wake up as quick as possible so you can go back to sleep. 44:15 - This seemed the optimal play here. It's not like the Kanto Gym Leaders are wildly different in levels, so until it gets to the likes of Blue (and potentially Erika), levelling won't be as much of a priority. The other Kanto gym leaders are there as levelling for you. 45:47 - Never mind, Erika's silly usage of Solar Beam makes what could have been an easy victory for her a loss instead. That's quite a surprise. 52:42 - That second rival fight was your most major roadblock so hopefully a one loss victory over them will speed up the rest of the playthrough quite a bit. Still not going to be a great time, but the number of resets should be a lot lower. 57:07 - A lot better than that first run though, which is always great to see.
I picked Chikorita back in the day, so Wooper always made it into my team. Wooper/Quagsire are great, but my favorite water/ground type has to be Whishcash. Ironically, I never used Barboach in gen 3, but in my initial Sword playthrough, I ran into a random shiny Barboach before the second gym, so it made it into my team, and I fell in love with it
Funny enough, I did use a Chikorita and Wooper combo in a Pokémon Gold run... but I was a kid without others playing Gen 2 with me, so I never did finish it. An of course, battery issues meant that Gold save file failed to stick around. I tend to only use new Gen Pokémon, Black and White 2 being the exception, so outside of the remakes I don't tend to revisit the previously introduced Pokémon. Of course, if I didn't have a full team and stumbled on a shiny like that, I'd likely have it as a team member. Cool story!@@Kris2005isMine
i love seeing my armless boy getting screen time he will do better in scarlet and violet thank you for all the content scott idk about everyone else but i appreciate it :3
(edit: Fixed a small thing) Morty sending out his last Haunter has nothing to do with you having Earthquake. He would do that even if your only move was Water Gun. Basically, the AI goes through its party members and checks: 1. Do I have 0 HP? If so, discourage using me and go to the next party member. 2. Do I have a supereffective move type? If so, heavily prioritize me. 3. Am I weak to either of your primary or secondary types? If so, deprioritize me. One note: #2 also only considers move typing, not if it is a damaging move. So if he had a Pokémon with Leech Seed, he'd prioritize it. If none of his Pokémon are deprioritized, he'll send out the first one with the highest priority. However, if all of of his Pokémon are deprioritized, he will send out a random Pokémon. In this case, he has no "supereffective" moves and all of his Pokémon have the same weak typing, meaning all of them are negative in priority, so that was the decision he took.
Ohhhh, wooper!!!! The first time I found a pokemon ridiculously....I hate this word. Cute. And I love him for it! Wooper is just such an amazing pokemon that I love so much. It's about to get clobbered, though. It's got a nice typing, but I'm worried it's gonna hit some road blocks and then halt at red. I hope it does amazing, though 🤩😍
I love Wooper but I absolutely do not need you to do another video with it, you've done a great job with this one. Also, I know you said to not worry about your mental health, especially for the volume of work for December, but commenting helps with the algorithm, so.. Don't overexert yourself (or your editor and crew)! Also also, Quagsire and Magcargo might make for a decent pair for a future VS video? Considering the fact that they're both dual Types in some situations where it might arguably be better to be mono-typed and the comparisons drawn between their pre-evos in this video...
Great video as usual. Something to note, you said "however" a disproportionate number of times on the Claire fight. It may be a good idea to brush up on alternative phrases or synonyms. Still a solid video, keep it up!
Oh, I started playing Crystal on my 3DS and got a Smoochum from my odd egg and it came with Dizzy Punch. I can confirm, when it has to rely on physical moves, it is not very fun 🤣 but it has been a clutch Pokemon for me so far. I'm about to face Chuck and it's kinda been my team's ace just cause I never really used a smoochum or Jinx as a main before and it seemed like a fun idea
And Wooper's only got two lil' legs to propel it forward on land! It's head is the same mass as the entire rest of its body and it just has those two lil' legs to walk on!
Wooper has identical Special stats & a level-up learnset that features Amnesia (and only one move that's not in Gen I). Interesting, perhaps ~25 years ago, Game Freak designed this Pokémon with the specific intention of having it feature in a Yellow playthrough on Scott's Thoughts...
In the first playthrough, you used Return on both of Will's Xatu and leveled until it was a range, though Ice Punch almost certainly would've done more damage since the Xatu have almost equal Def and Sp Def. I was a little surprised you didn't talk about this in the 2nd playthrough since it might've been able to save a few levels of grinding and/or hold off on Rest. Either way, not as bad of a time as I was expecting with 15 base Speed and a 4x weakness!
You're correct. Ran the damage ranges @lv65 with my exact Wooper from playthrough 1 (the route was recorded in real time with RBY XP Router). Ice Punch: 103.64 - 121.82% Return: 92.73 - 110.00% Ice Punch always OHKOs Return is a 64% chance to OHKO Good catch!
I think a good way to think about comparing move damage is with rough percentage calculations. So for example, with Ice Punch vs Return against Golbat, a super effective Ice Punch is about 50% stronger, meaning that Wooper's special attack is basically inflated by ~50% for the purposes of this calculation. That brings it up from 64 to 96, which is greater than 88. So Ice Punch is better in that case. This also helps explain why Surf is way better than Headbutt, as it's almost twice as strong.
>Next run will be Gengar Oh that will be fun. Especially considering the first gym is full of pokemon that are completely immune to ghost type moves. And also several of the route trainers you'll run into are also running pokemon immune to ghost type moves.
3 minutes in I'm like: "Oh, Earthquake at level 31. That should make this playthrough go pretty well.... oh wait, water and ground. No STAN badge boosts until Kanto. Ooh, that might be a little rough"
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And here’s your mandatory reminder that Wooper, despite having NO ARMS, can learn Ice Punch
And with that, I fly away!
he can't keep getting away with this
And can learn mud slap despite not having any hands!
@@keysradiotheradiohis tail is nice and sturdy. That one works.
But it can't learn the OTHER 2 Punch moves and Fire/Thunder Punch are more useful.
@@twistedtachyon5877 mud slap is a hand move, this is explained by falkner when pidgeotto uses it
I think Haunter was sent out first cause he saw more damage with night shade than with gengars shadow ball.
Interesting theory, wonder if someone can test by using a Pokémon that resists shadow ball.
@@zenitfan4life It's a theory that's also supported by the "Elo World" video for Crystal, where the video creator actually explains every subroutine for smart trainers.
In short, Wooper is so ridiculously weak Haunter is sent before Gengar. GOT IT.
@@N12015 the opposite it would be. If gengar's shadow ball does less than a fixed damage move to wooper..
Woopy boy? At 2 AM? H Y P E.
I assume this wasn’t supposed to go live now 😂 still pumped to see it early tho
Scott, I love how you highlight your failures. We learn from failures and it shouldn't be met with shame but rather celebration! love your videos, keep working hard
I grew up playing StarCraft around a lot of other players (and my younger self) where the culture was to be like “what I’m doing is perfect, don’t tell me I’m wrong.” Eventually I learned that being humble tends to be the better path to walk.
Had this thought when I saw the moveset: I'd love to see a gen 1 Wooper backport!
Amnesia early on, starting with Water Gun for an easy Brock, gen 1 Blizzard, and even fairly early EQ
Erika might be a road block, but that's it. Blizzard, Surf, Earthquake and Amnesia sounds like an unstoppable moveset, even with Wooper's awful stats
I would love to see it!
agreed!
You know when I'm having bad anxiety days, I've taken to your vids. Your enthusiasm for this is a good distraction. Thanks bud
Sludge bomb may have been a better option than ice punch for Maganium since it’s physical
I think the backtracking to get the Sludge Bomb TM would take more time than it would save.
I think only for meganium though because venusaur and vileplume take neutral from sludge bomb. ice punch is relearnable so it would be decent to just buy 2 ice punch tms and then reteach it after you finish rival fights
@@wideright7567 being physical means it works well with curse also plus the chance to poison
Good videos, keep up the outstanding work. Have a good one 👍
@@wideright7567All grass/poison types take more damage from a neutral earthquake so that doesn't matter.
The only things that ice punch has a significant range is flying types that are 4x weak to ice (Dragonite, Jumpluff, Gligar)
My woopy boy! Such a cute little rascal of a pokemon. Honestly one of the few pokemon I immediately felt like could be a humans friend visually.
He might not have great stats but I always liked using it. I just think he’s neat.
Always loved the Wooper line. Excellent, complementary typing. Makes a great partner for Cyndaquil/Chikorita. STAB Earthquake, learned naturally through level up at a reasonable level of 31 or 35 if evolved. Only shared by the Geodude line until you reach the Kanto region. I agree with the others that Surf is a very useful option that you could try learning over Ice Punch / Return. Would help speed up the Rocket section and can be forgotten by the Move Deleter before you face Clair's dragons.
Is there a mistake in your tier list? The F tier is labeled with "< 2:15:00", which would usually mean faster than 2:15. However, whooper is slower and on top in this tier?
Right? Nobody else seems to be talking about it though
Was searching for a comment like that, so i dont have to make it myself xD
Not really, the tiers are based on if they could get passed that time mark. Since Wooper landed at 2 hours and 16 minutes, he is on top as the rest unfortunately are much slower than what Whooper had performed. You can watch their respective runs on the channel with Natu and Slugma's being two of the more recent ones.
@@ScottE-2 y but the next Problem is your second last tier states >2:30 wich is slower then 2:30 and so there is no place for pkm between 2:15 and 2:30 😅 is u would laber it >2:15 everything would make mathematecly sense 🙊🙊
@@Wassertotem As far as I understand it, those in the F tier couldn't make it below or less than 2 hours and 15 minutes hence forth the
Wooper may have been a rough run, but at least you got to look at a Wooper while doing it
Scott, you got supereffective move tunnelvision.
In several videos now I've seen you do this. It causes you to take risks that are unnecesairy and costs you deaths that are avoidable.
The death against the trainer with the full bulbasaur line might have been preventable if you didn't tunnel in on ice punch.
Ice punch only has marginally stronger power then earthquake but earthquake is going to do more damage because wooper has more attack then special attack and venusaur has less defense then special defense.
Remember kids, the super effective text isn't what kills the opponent, it's the raw numbers!!
The Lance intro is my favorite too. That little detail of the cursor moving to the music is amazing
HEY Been a while Kalas how you doing?
Its so funny how Wooper learns Ice Punch without even having arms! 😂
Wooper is the fist
Yoo nice gothic pp
He punches with his tail.
Insert Kyurem Black roars.
wooper is the fist
Such a solid performance, happy to see my woopie boy sweep through and land a spot in A tier.
Don't wake me up I'm enjoying my dream.
You mentioned modelling after the scientific method, and it reminded me of a chemistry paper that "Limited the device to half of it's maximum power, because it made a really loud noise past that and was quite annoying."
One thing I have noticed, that I wonder if anyone else has noticed, in your videos is that you also time the little arrow in Lances dialog box with the battle theme. I first noticed this many many many videos ago. It's the little things you do that make me appreciate how much effort you put into these videos.
Greetings, fellow small detail noticer! Hope you're having a good day! I realized this back in the Blastoise vs. Feraligatr video, cool detail!
Yay, Wooper 😃 It might not be the strongest Pokemon (not even close), but it is such a cheerful and cute little dude you just can't help but love 🖤
I've been catching up on a lot of your old videos, now caught up to the start of 2023 so getting close to being caught up! 😃Just wanted to say I enjoy your content, love the recurring inside jokes and your overall attitude towards these runs!!
Grats
Releasing while I'm at work, Scott how you gonna make my closing shift better like that. You're truly the best!
This came out in the morning for me. It was good to have in my pocket for my close shift as well.
I feel like the Quagsire line is better at being team players than solo mons.
Woop woop! Wooper was every bit the struggle I expected 😅. One thing I do want to flag, though, is that I think the F tier needs to be updated so it says
The interesting thing about the most recent generation, is that while the starter dynamic STARTS with them picking up your weakness, when they evolve their secondary typing is actually reversed. That way they teach you while you have an advantage, but by the end you have to work around a much more complex state. Dual status makes you both strong and weak against each other.
For instance, if you pick up Sprigatito, a Grass type, your rival will pick up Quaxly, a Water type. You learn about types while you have the advantage. Later, when they evolve, the dynamic switches. You grass kitty evolves to Meowscarada, it picks up a Dark typing. When your rival's water duck evolves to Quaquaval, it picks up Fighting. All of a sudden your grass kitty is sweating, because that Fighting type really messes up Dark types.
With Skeledirge being a Fire type that picks up a Ghost type, the reverse triangle is complete.
Fire > Grass > Water
Ghost < Dark < Fighting
I love this interaction! Really cool starter typings!
Except that the secondary typings are forming a line, and not a circle. Fire > grass > water > fire is much better than poor Skeledirge having to be scared of both starters because of the dark typing of Meowscarada and the water typing of Quaquaval.
@@wesleyquere4979 Just like the Meowscarada has to worry about the fire moves and the fighting moves. Skeledirge isn't special in this interaction. I'm confused as to what you're even trying to say. Are you trying to say that the Water Duck is the winner because he doesn't have to worry about a weakness, only an immunity for his strongest STAB?
Like sure, I get the argument that the duck wins slightly in that type matchup, but I mean, Skeledirge gets Torch Song. Its the main starter pick for speedruns for a reason, its the strongest by far in a vacuum.
It was just an example. My issue with the new system isnt that it's bad and blabla it sucks, it's clever and interesting, but for me the simplicity of knowing you can't really rely on your first pokémon to beat the rival, therefore searching for a type that would counter it, was really charming.
There's also what i see as fixing what isn't broken, as you said yourself they're giving you an easy time early on and a hard time later ,but the only thing that does is help you learn types after quite a few hours of gameplay, when you either know them well or have a phone in your pocket.
The old system made it feel like the game challenged you head-on, now it's putting duct tape where it's not needed. Skeledirge is by far the strongest, and a good part of that is Torch Song, sure, but without the move, it'd be average even for speedruns. Maybe a bit better since he has a good typing i guess?
But in SP now, since starters here are all able to do SE damage on each others with strong moves, the fastest will most likely one shot the others, and suddenly the weed cat is broken since it can one shot the other two, and the duck can avoid the lizard's one-shot from it's STAB. Thank god online play is so much more complex!
TL;DR cool idea, correct execution, don't understand why they did this now when most kids have played at least one game before and most of the playerbase is at the very least over 20.(Sorry for the textbook. :c)@@NaturesFlame
@@wesleyquere4979 Sorry for the late reply, youtube decided to just stop notifying me of replies, but I really wanted to touch on your last point.
>most kids have played at least one game before
This is NOT how they design the games, and they NEVER have. They treat every single game as if it is your first Pokemon. Because for a lot of people, it always is. They aren't appealing to 20 year olds that battle in VGC and on Smogon. We're gonna buy the game or not. Advertising or appealing to us is functionally and financially pointless. They are, every 3 years, targeting a NEW batch of kids. Thats how you become the biggest franchise in the world (yes, biggest. Even The Mouse can't touch Pokemon).
The old system was made in the era of arcades, of "nintendo hard". Kids were expected to "tough it out" with a game a lot more than they are now. This makes sense, because instead of having a dozen games to choose from at my local blockbuster, I now have hundreds of thousands of games on my steam. Games become easier for kids because if they're hard they won't "try harder", they'll go play Fortnite or something.
Hype for Gengar, and my best compliments for your commitment for the next months: you rock!
Great video as always! And since you asked, I feel the pokemon that would suffer the most against Bugsy's Metapod and Kakuna would be Wobbuffet, since it has to either counter their weak physical moves while possibly waiting through a bunch of harden and string shot, or use struggle which requires depleting a lot of PP first. Probably still not hard, but as annoying as it can get.
JRose11 has done that one. Because of their weak moves, he would always run out of PP on Counter, but Struggle would never take out the Scyther before Fury Cutter (super effective) would take out Wobbuffet. He had to use Counter for Metapod and Scyther, and then have all his other moves already out of PP so that once he ran out of Counter PP he could immediately use Struggle to take out Kakuna.
A fresh video to fall asleep to, thanks! I'll be listening to this one for the next few days every night, haha. Just short of my coveted 1 hour mark but close enough!
Just looking at the title, this is objectively your best video ever, and we all know why
Fun fact: if I remember correctly, I think I beat Red with Wooper at around level 70 with rollout. Woopy Boy is broken
Rollout is quite powerful and such a feat has also been performed with Dunsparse if memory serves right. Red has no protection from rock type moves as 2 of them are quite weak to it.
I honestly think you should have used surf over headbutt. Ice punch hits everything immune to earthquake in this game and even though wooper has bad spec attack a base 95*1.5 move alone would make it more useful than headbutt
Unfortunately, Surf is simply not viable because there is no Move Deleter in GSC, meaning the final moveset of Return, Curse, Amnesia, and Rest is no longer possible.
@@vegetavsluigithe move deleter is in blackthorn
@@vegetavsluigiI know move deleter is in crystal not sure about gold/silver.. but he's playing crystal lucky enough.
That was my initial thought too, but when I watched the playthrough, I didn't really see any situations where surf would have actually been useful, and a few situations where it would have been bad. There are a few opposing gyarados in the playthrough that resist surf while being immune to earthquake, there are very few places where surf is actually better than earthquake, and it takes time to get rid of surf because you can only do it in blackthorn city. Maybe it would have helped for a couple of damage ranges against the rival's golbat, but aside from that, I'm not really sure what surf would have done.
It might have helped slightly, but I'm gonna guess the decision between the two was pretty inconsequential at best. From what I saw here, surf is just... shockingly not that good for wooper.
my main gripe is his use of ice punch on dragonaire. scott seems to forget stuff like this. Soft sand earthquake is just straight up better against anything in the game except for 4x weak to ice mons@@redwings13400
Woooopa.
Thanks for the video, it gave me something to relax with while I'm suffering from a mysterious illness at the moment (although it meant I had to rewatch bits haha). My head, like Wooper, doesn't exactly feel like the little guy that could but it was fun watching one of my favorite Johto Pokemon go through the game.
Cannot wait for December, and it sounds like your voice issues haven't come up either, which is great~. Hope you have a great day.
Voice still isn’t great. But I’m doing everything I can to use it in a sustainable way. That’s the reason there haven’t been more live streams :(
Gengar seems cracked. All 3 elemental punches off that SpA is just ridiculous even without any workable STAB
It’s a shame that Grass moves are such an Achilles heel for Wooper because it’s adorable. I do wonder if using Rare Candies before rival 4 would improve that fight significantly, but otherwise, I’d say you handled Wooper very well!
What tragic video Scott endured, this feels like a precursor to how the baby Pokémon runs will feel. As always a great video.
Haven’t watched in a while, it’s incredible how much better everything got, recording, editing, gameplay etc, really fun!
This is the episode I've been waiting for. Wooper and quagsire are my favorite gen 2 pokes
Wooper: Can learn DynamicPunch.
Also Wooper: Doesn't have arms.
Wooper is such an adorable pokemon, especially with how it is presented in the thumbnail.😊
Wooper has a great coverage and some great typing ,most of it's problems are the low spacial defense and special attack,and that awful speed stat.🫣 And the 4 times weakness to grass types ,makes it a nightmare for Wooper to deal with them. Luckily grass types has a lot of weakness to bug,ice ,flying and poison. One way to counter them is to use hp bug which can complement it's attack stat or using sludge bomb after beating team rocket at Mahogany . I'm not sure if you could access that part before beating the 6th gym , but if you could that could make sludge bomb a really good option . Because after all most of the mid to late game is filled with pokemon with low defenses and Wooper is more of a physical attacker then a special one . Ice punch is really good when it comes to freeze luck , which can save some extra grinding, so I see why you choose to stick with it throughout both runs. 🤔
But at least I'm really glad that Wooper is not in the Bruno tier .
And as for the Gengar playthrough,be careful of dark types and psychic types.😊
amazing hearing about the end of the year preparation! looking forward to it
Thank you for doing justice to my boy Wooper
Wooper is great! Incredibly cute design. Curse really does solve Red for so many Pokémon. It’s a fantastic way to avoid grinding.
just found your channel man, and you're easily my favorite pokemon tuber now.
Thanks for the kind words. Glad to have you here!
Unknown would struggle against the metapod depending on its hidden power nature.
I love your content and have enjoyed watching your channel and content grow. Started watching a few years ago and was so psyched to see when you picked ariados for a run after I left a comment. So glad you're finding success and not burning out!
Hey Quincee, that is along time ago! Thanks for sticking around and giving me the time to develop my own style. Also giving me the time to get better at the game and making videos in general.
God i love Wooper. A Pokémon with zero thoughts behind those eyes who’s just happy to see you. Like the cat version of a ginger kitten.
Thank you for pointing out the Lance intro. I would not have noticed the triangle flashing along with the music in the last measure if you didn’t make me examine it. So many careful details in it.
With how much work you put into giving every Pokemon the best chance it can have, I can believe that you would plan your whole schedule for the year to allow for constant uploads in December.
Funny story. I drafted 2024 and 2025.
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No wonder you got so good at this in such a short time. You plan better than anyone else I've ever heard of.
Good job Scott🎉, I thought wooper would of done better though with the type it has.
i like these playthroughs because i get to hear the gen 2 music
lovely compositions
As a huge Wooper fan, I eagerly await the Wooper redemption arc stream next year
I remember my first run of gen 2 as a child thinking wooper must be the best water type of all time because for reasons I didn't understand at the time electric moves wouldn't affect it
Oh damn! I can't wait to see the baby pokemon run! I've seen a couple of other challenges using baby mons, I love seeing the different approaches used by different people! 🙂👍
Excellent video as always =)
That is a super adorable thumbnail
Oh gosh, I just looked up the learnset for gen 2 Kabuto. Calling it now; that poor thing has to be the Pokemon that gets the most walled by Rival 2 =P
I predict struggle gets the win at lvl 30
does Gen2 also come with the "pointless fun stats" like bonks?
also given that Wooper did it in 22mins in its first playthrough, would be interesting to see a "how long from Lance->Red" for the tier list (would imagine all pokes are pretty similar though)
I never really thought about spreading out the runs like that before. That's super smart
Wooper's a Pokémon I've adored from first glance, but have only had the occasional experience with. My main Gen 2 playthroughs have both have Totodille as my starter (being my favourite starter pick) so I've usually had Water type covered. Still, love this merry fellow and hope he does well here.
0:48 - Rather funny that the arm-less Pokémon was designed to be a physical attacker. I feel Wooper's greater typing and naturally learned stab Earthquake will give it an easier time for the most part... until you come across a grass trainer like Erika. The rival with a Bayleaf would be a huge obstacle.
2:49 - I like how Wooper can learn Sludge Bomb; fits well with the marshy Pokémon. Odd that it doesn't learn Body Slam naturally, feels like it would be a perfect fit.
5:28 - No PSNCureBerry before Bugsy's gym? Feels like just slapping that or an Oran berry at least would be the solution to the Kakuna Poison Sting situation.
6:52 - I was just thinking that an Amnesia set-up might be just what you need against the Rival's Bayleef. You'd risk a Paralysis chance against the Ghastly but I think preparing as much as possible before a 4x Razor Leaf would be the better call.
9:12 - It's rather funny that the rival's best set is in choosing Chikorita. He has a much better move-set going for the Pokémon than when he steals the other two starters.
14:18 - Dig was how I easily countered Whitney in the past, an I guess I've been lucky, because I've never once struggled her. My brother on the other-hand had a tough time, mainly due to her fast flinching Stomps.
16:09 - So just relying on a little bit of luck here. Do you reckon Muddy here has the quick claw attached to his tail or is equipped onto his magically generated ice fists?
20:47 - To be fair, does anyone struggle against Pryce? Pretty sure he's the Lt Surge of Johto, so very specific conditions have to be met to have a hard time against him.
23:31 - There are? Huh, never knew that. Always fascinating the new things I learn from your videos.
26:32 - Ah, so this is why you decided to talk about Ariana. At least it's a technically significant trainer with a Grass type that is being brought up here; I was half expecting a bunch of random trainers who just so happen to have Grass types to get mentioned as obstacles for Wooper in this run.
32:17 - Unfortunately, what I said about a random trainer with a bunch of Grass types taking Wooper down came to be. I also comment as I watch, many pauses along the way, so I didn't this was about to happen. Spinning trainer Megan (checked her Heart Gold/Soul Silver name) and her army of Saurs; that could be another fun trainer artwork.
39:49 - Rather hilarious that your strategy is to try and wake up as quick as possible so you can go back to sleep.
44:15 - This seemed the optimal play here. It's not like the Kanto Gym Leaders are wildly different in levels, so until it gets to the likes of Blue (and potentially Erika), levelling won't be as much of a priority. The other Kanto gym leaders are there as levelling for you.
45:47 - Never mind, Erika's silly usage of Solar Beam makes what could have been an easy victory for her a loss instead. That's quite a surprise.
52:42 - That second rival fight was your most major roadblock so hopefully a one loss victory over them will speed up the rest of the playthrough quite a bit. Still not going to be a great time, but the number of resets should be a lot lower.
57:07 - A lot better than that first run though, which is always great to see.
I picked Chikorita back in the day, so Wooper always made it into my team. Wooper/Quagsire are great, but my favorite water/ground type has to be Whishcash.
Ironically, I never used Barboach in gen 3, but in my initial Sword playthrough, I ran into a random shiny Barboach before the second gym, so it made it into my team, and I fell in love with it
Funny enough, I did use a Chikorita and Wooper combo in a Pokémon Gold run... but I was a kid without others playing Gen 2 with me, so I never did finish it. An of course, battery issues meant that Gold save file failed to stick around.
I tend to only use new Gen Pokémon, Black and White 2 being the exception, so outside of the remakes I don't tend to revisit the previously introduced Pokémon. Of course, if I didn't have a full team and stumbled on a shiny like that, I'd likely have it as a team member. Cool story!@@Kris2005isMine
i love seeing my armless boy getting screen time he will do better in scarlet and violet thank you for all the content scott idk about everyone else but i appreciate it :3
(edit: Fixed a small thing) Morty sending out his last Haunter has nothing to do with you having Earthquake. He would do that even if your only move was Water Gun.
Basically, the AI goes through its party members and checks:
1. Do I have 0 HP? If so, discourage using me and go to the next party member.
2. Do I have a supereffective move type? If so, heavily prioritize me.
3. Am I weak to either of your primary or secondary types? If so, deprioritize me.
One note: #2 also only considers move typing, not if it is a damaging move. So if he had a Pokémon with Leech Seed, he'd prioritize it.
If none of his Pokémon are deprioritized, he'll send out the first one with the highest priority. However, if all of of his Pokémon are deprioritized, he will send out a random Pokémon. In this case, he has no "supereffective" moves and all of his Pokémon have the same weak typing, meaning all of them are negative in priority, so that was the decision he took.
Flying being one of the most common Tera Types on Tyranitar in gen IX VGC validates your hidden power choice for it in some way I feel.
Ohhhh, wooper!!!! The first time I found a pokemon ridiculously....I hate this word. Cute. And I love him for it! Wooper is just such an amazing pokemon that I love so much. It's about to get clobbered, though. It's got a nice typing, but I'm worried it's gonna hit some road blocks and then halt at red. I hope it does amazing, though 🤩😍
Poor little guy
I have a feeling you mixed up am/pm, but still happy for the early video
The Reggies in a no level up challenge would struggle against Metapod.
Gosh we are already at chandelure! If scott continues to grow that fast, we will run out of Pokemon before Gen 10 is out 😂
Yay small ant will be happy
Also you saying there isn't a grass type bayleef should say otherwise
I bet Wooper would do awesome in Gen 1 due to amnesia and early earthquake!
And his water type can bait electric attacks because Gen 1 ai it limited and would not see the secondary ground type.
Congratz on having an organised schedule lol, your productivity is impressive!
Thank you!! 😊
Nice editing work - 11:55 made me look up if hoppip appears in union cave
My man's really posted at 1am lol. I respect the effort
Daily uploads in December and up till New Year's Day? I'm tellin' you already: ain't no way I'mma be keepin' up wi' dat :).
I love Wooper but I absolutely do not need you to do another video with it, you've done a great job with this one.
Also, I know you said to not worry about your mental health, especially for the volume of work for December, but commenting helps with the algorithm, so.. Don't overexert yourself (or your editor and crew)!
Also also, Quagsire and Magcargo might make for a decent pair for a future VS video? Considering the fact that they're both dual Types in some situations where it might arguably be better to be mono-typed and the comparisons drawn between their pre-evos in this video...
I want to do that vs video. Maybe next year?
Just look at that adorable vacant face! Wooper is slow because of its brain not it’s body lol.
Great video as usual. Something to note, you said "however" a disproportionate number of times on the Claire fight. It may be a good idea to brush up on alternative phrases or synonyms. Still a solid video, keep it up!
Excited to see how whooper finished with early earthquake. I expect the rivals gonna be a huge all for my little guy
I recently found out Chikorita is based on a daikon radish. So fun fact.
Oh, I started playing Crystal on my 3DS and got a Smoochum from my odd egg and it came with Dizzy Punch. I can confirm, when it has to rely on physical moves, it is not very fun 🤣 but it has been a clutch Pokemon for me so far. I'm about to face Chuck and it's kinda been my team's ace just cause I never really used a smoochum or Jinx as a main before and it seemed like a fun idea
"Why is wooper slower than a slug?" Like, come on, have you seen how slow axolotls are?
And Wooper's only got two lil' legs to propel it forward on land! It's head is the same mass as the entire rest of its body and it just has those two lil' legs to walk on!
I'm a huge wooper fan! look forward to the E tier finish whenever another run is played
Wooper has identical Special stats & a level-up learnset that features Amnesia (and only one move that's not in Gen I). Interesting, perhaps ~25 years ago, Game Freak designed this Pokémon with the specific intention of having it feature in a Yellow playthrough on Scott's Thoughts...
In the first playthrough, you used Return on both of Will's Xatu and leveled until it was a range, though Ice Punch almost certainly would've done more damage since the Xatu have almost equal Def and Sp Def. I was a little surprised you didn't talk about this in the 2nd playthrough since it might've been able to save a few levels of grinding and/or hold off on Rest. Either way, not as bad of a time as I was expecting with 15 base Speed and a 4x weakness!
You're correct. Ran the damage ranges @lv65 with my exact Wooper from playthrough 1 (the route was recorded in real time with RBY XP Router).
Ice Punch: 103.64 - 121.82%
Return: 92.73 - 110.00%
Ice Punch always OHKOs
Return is a 64% chance to OHKO
Good catch!
I read in a Primera Official Guide that claimed that Jasmine's Steelix knows Sunny Day because it reduces its opponent's Accuracy while it's sunny.
It was ironic to me when you said to watch your Lance intro…for TH-cam to then play an ad 2 seconds in 😅
The GOAT! This next three months are about to be hyyyype.
with how whooper looks in the picture i'm suprised the little guy couldn't learn astonish XD
Smallant is gonna love this video, woopie booooooi 😂
I can't believe this is coming out on a Saturday! What am I going to watch tomorrow when I am doing my housework!?
The woofer evolutionary line was always one of my favorites in second gen
It honestly feels like on average, azalea town rival battle is one of the hardest battles in a solo run
If it is Bayleaf, and you’re weak to it, then yes it usually feels harder than Red haha
Thank you for all of your hard work!
I think a good way to think about comparing move damage is with rough percentage calculations. So for example, with Ice Punch vs Return against Golbat, a super effective Ice Punch is about 50% stronger, meaning that Wooper's special attack is basically inflated by ~50% for the purposes of this calculation. That brings it up from 64 to 96, which is greater than 88. So Ice Punch is better in that case. This also helps explain why Surf is way better than Headbutt, as it's almost twice as strong.
>Next run will be Gengar
Oh that will be fun. Especially considering the first gym is full of pokemon that are completely immune to ghost type moves. And also several of the route trainers you'll run into are also running pokemon immune to ghost type moves.
The first Will fight at 34:51 had me laughing so much! 😂 That was brutal!
A 2AM drop? Why not. Perfect timing for me lmfaoooo
Fingers crossed one day to see a back ported porygon z in rby with the hyperbeam mechanic XD
Wait till you eventually get to Gen 5, Scott. Grinding in those is literally the worse, since experience gains go down as you level up.
Lmao, there is some evil stuff going on in the stats. That made me laugh.
3 minutes in I'm like: "Oh, Earthquake at level 31. That should make this playthrough go pretty well.... oh wait, water and ground. No STAN badge boosts until Kanto. Ooh, that might be a little rough"
I just love how the guy with no arms can dig and ice punch.
Given the similar results of wooper and slugma, I'd be curious to see a race between Quagsire and Macargo
Yes.
I 💙Wooper. I've used Quagsire many, many times in my playthroughs! Such a jolly little thing.
Hey There. Love the Videos good Luck With Pokemon Runs.
Yes! Scott finally confirmed he is going to do the new Gens too!
He said that he would last year, supposedly he's gonna start a new generation every year.
@@zenitfan4life yeah but he showed Gen 9 here. Thats specific
@@grundgutigertv6170 he did not specifically say that he's gonna play Gen 9 next. More than likely it will be platinum.
@@zenitfan4life he was showing the logo.
Next in line would be gen 4, not 9
@@grundgutigertv6170 so what was the point of your initial comment about gen 9 logo then?
That rival fight after the rocket plotline was painful