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SST teach-in Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart and Evolution X MR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2016
- This video will show you the teach-in process for the Twin Clutch SST transmission (aka Getrag DCT470) in the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart and Evolution X MR. It assumes you have PassThru CAN installed and working - for help on that, see here: drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Excellent video! It’s helpful to run the software right along with your video
Excellent how-to. I was going to create and upload a video, but it looks like you beat me to the punch!
Thanks for shearing , I will give a try on my 2015 MR
Really good video! Thanks a lot
Did this a while ago and I thought I messed the 8th step up because it seemed to not do anything. Thanks for the video.
I'm glad it helped!
Very usefull thank u so much!
Thank you!
Great Video. I am excited about the possibility of training my new SSP clutch without needing to take the car to the dealer. Also, I would like to know if I can enable super-sport mode on a Ralliart using this tool. Thank you very much for your help.
Iuri Louro www.evolutionm.net/forums/09-ralliart-engine-turbo-drivetrain/693397-ralliart-evo-x-mr-tc-sst-beta-testing-flash-tactrix.html
For the purpose of doing a teach in on my 2012 Ralliart, in the DiagDB, XML folder, do I need to put both flpart files that are found in the Ralliart Files, 2009-2012 folder? Inside that folder there are 2 flpart files and unsure which one I need to copy acorss into the XML folder or if I just copy across both flpart files. The files I am referring to are 8631B002_dio30.flpart and 8631B002_dio301.flpart
Those .flpart files are only needed to flash new firmware. They are not needed for teach-in. Also, that dio301 file should NEVER be used to flash firmware, only the dio30 file. If you have the dio301 file you got it from an outdated link to an abandoned Google Drive folder. The current one is linked in the description of this video.
Great video thanks for sharing the knowledge, i've recently had my transmission rebuilt and performed teach in procedure, all went well.
Drove the car for 50km and then noticed stiffness in shifting while putting gear into reverse only.
Drove it for another 150km & then preformed another teach in at 200km, results were fine. no issues.
I'm concerned about the stiffness of reverse gear, I can feel the car jiggling a bit when i select reverse gear!! any idea whats going on?
(No check engine light or any other warning signs.)
There is a physical connection between the transmission and the gear lever for selecting reverse and park - the problem may be with that. Even the transmission was reinstalled by a different shop than the one that rebuilt it, it's the installer you'll want to to have check their work. Hopefully all the work was done by someone who knows the SST well, not some random local transmission shop.
@@StephenStrangways Thanks will take your feedback into consideration and ask them to check it out. the trans was rebuilt and reinstalled by the same shop.
Great video! Is it recommended to do that after each SST oil change?
It's only specifically required after changing the clutch basket or valve body, but it does seem to help to do it once every few years. As most people change their SST fluid (don't forget to do the rear diff fluid at the same time, and the transfer case twice as frequently!) Once every two years, it just seems like an easy to way to remember to do it, if you do it with every fluid change.
Great detailed video could this potentially help with slipping clutch in sst gearbox
It's worth a shot. If it's just a calibration issue, it would help. If the clutches are really worn, it won't help, but it won't hurt either, and you'll know you need to replace them.
I just did the teach-in everything was successful except the stroke teach-in and now my ralliart clutches are slipping and I just had it rebuilt with new clutches anyway to fix it without tearing it back apart?
Try doing a single teach-in, in the order 1, 7, 4, 5, 8
Which shop rebuilt it?
Hi everyone I’ve got a problem in the pass thur can program its only showing 7 steps not the 8th clutch gains?
Has this happened to anyone? If so how was it fix thanks.
Click on step 7, then click the downward triangle that's just to the right.
I just done the full Teach-In today for my 2015 MR with 10K on SST. plus full bolts-on. All I can say is. OMG !!! OMG!!! You will really fee the big changes from shifting... I suggest everyone that's with SST that tuned and make changes to the SST maps on ECU Got to have to do the Teach-In for it. I am not sure after teach in it will make any changes on the ecu sst map and setting or non, I will compare all the maps and settings update
**update nothing changes on the ecu SST maps and setting,\*** I can bet there ARE settings sitting on the TCU
hello please i need your help : i have a ralliart mitsubishi lancer 2013 can we change the sst transmission of my ralliart with an evo 10 mitsubishi sst transmission. i don't have with my ralliart s sport mood .
Is your Ralliart transmission working, and you just want to get S-Sport and Launch Control? If so, you can flash the firmware for the Evo transmission to the Ralliart transmission, and you will get those features. Instructions for doing that are in the PDF on the Google Drive link that is in the video description. If you have a laptop and cable but want someone else to connect remotely and do it for you, this company will do it: www.nrgops.com/product/remote-sst-passthru-can/
I have down loaded this folder but the only thing that come up to click on is the top left reader file ? How do I get all of the folders to be able to click on them. Thanks
The Google Drive folder is working fine for me, so perhaps you could try downloading the files individually. If the problem may be your browser, Chrome should work perfectly.
I tired the fork tech in but the transmission light came on...and turned off. what should I do
Have you checked to see if there are any stored or pending trouble codes?
Hey Stephen, thanks for the video/guide. Have a question, hope you can assist. Currently in teach-in and the commands will either execute and do nothing (no revs) or get an error return (NRC $21 Negative Response Code was returned). Have you seen this before, and any ideas? For reference, flashed from RA09 8631A513[0C] to 8631A827[0B], Diag ver 0002
In many cases, uninstalling PassThru CAN and reinstalling it will solve that problem, so try that first.
@@StephenStrangways perfect, fresh install worked -- thanks!
I have a P1836 on my ralliart is not going on R it only goes on D2 and stays there what can I do ?
You're going to need a shop that specializes in the SST to open it up and rebuild it. Where do you live?
Hello Stephen and thanks for the video!
Question: can I use my ELM 327 OBD2 Bluetooth adapter and do the Teach In over bluetooth or I need a cable no matter what? If the cable is required, please be so kind and advise exactly what kind of cable I need (just a normal USB-OBD2 SAE J2534 compliant or something special)? Whatever I find online is related to a specific diag package and costs over 100 Eur.
Thanks in advance for your kind reply!
An ELM 327 adapter won't work, but any generic J2534 compliant cable will work.
Thanks for reply, Steven!
I have a funny issue here: I've installed the PassThru on a laptop running Win 10 64b, without modifying the registry, and the program launched correctly (without cable attached). I've spent few clicks, everything worked fine, so I decided to modify the regisrtrys (both, 32 and 64) as instructed. I did so and the program doesn't launch anymore, it prompts me the message "C:\program files (x86)\passthrucan\system\common\ptcan.exe The specified path does not exist". The program and the folders are under "Program Files".
Do you have any idea what did I do wrong? Should I modify the registrys back to original and let the program install under Program Files (x86)?
The best thing is to uninstall the program, delete any folders left over, then modify the registries so it will install to Program Files, and install it there. You need to modify the registries before installing, not after. If it installs to Program Files (x86) there are certain features that won't work properly.
This is what I've done: uninstall from PF (x86), delete the folders, changed both registry, reinstall (to PF this time), try to launch, restarted computer, try to start again, uninstall, checked registry, reinstall and try to launch again. Failed! :(
Uninstall the program, delete any leftover folders on the hard drive and in the registry, and try this. It has been pre-packaged to work on newer computer for flash Evo transmission software on to Ralliarts, but you could use it to just do a teach-in, if it gets PassThru CAN running properly on your computer.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BwiH3nUG8DY7TkRPR05Gb0pHeHc
Hey there! Thanks for the knowledge do you share! It's any difference if I'm gonna do the steps with another line? I mean to start from 1 and end in 8. thanks in advance!
I'm glad I'm able to help! You should not change the order of the steps. There are a few that can be swapped, but overall, certain things like clutch vent need to be done before certain other steps, and other things require the engine to be restarted afterwards, or else any steps after that won't work at all.
@@StephenStrangways oh okay! Thanks for the comment! Super supporter 😊👍🏻🙏🏻
Hi Stephen, I installed recently the Pass Thru CAN but when I try to tech-in I have a data file error "invalid TC-SST recalibration data". Any idea? I tried it in other evo X and work fine, is only in my car. Thanks in advance.
Remove the two "GENERIC..." files from the CBF folder, then download "AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_C.cbf" from the Google Drive link and place it in that folder.
Hey Stephen, i just picked up a project evo x mr 2008 with transmission issues, the car seems to shift slow. For example when i put it in drive and give it some gas it will take a few seconds before the car actually moves. It did have a huge exhaust leak in between the turbo and manifold which i am currently fixing. Also the car is a 2008 and when I crawled under it i noticed the transmission only has 2 drain holes so it is from a 2012+? Would you have any insight on if the exhaust leak could affect the transmission and if it being a different year could affect it?
If it was driven for a long time with an exhaust leak, some of the self-learning features of the ECU and TCU would have adjusted to it. After fixing it, they'll need time to re-learn, but a teach-in for the trans could indeed help. A bad tune could also cause shifting issues, and it's not unusual for cars to be tuned for aftermarket parts that the owner removes before selling the car, which can cause even bigger problems like overboosting and running lean. Different years of transmissions had either 2 or 3 drain holes, but it makes no practical difference.
@@StephenStrangways thank you for the info, while i am fixing the turbo exhaust leaks i am also putting all the stock parts back on and getting it flashed back to a stock tune, hopefully after that and a teach in and fluid change it all comes together
@@Gilligan.Garage the one thing people often miss that can cause a lot of problems is the boost controller. You really don't want an aftermarket 3-port EBCS with the stock tune. It's also a good idea to replace the relays if they haven't been done recently.
Hi, nice video, I have some question, please let me know where I can contact you, my transmission doesn't want to do anything, let me know where I have to start
Question with a flash or a tune will it interfere with the process at all?
No, not at all. The tune is on the ECU, but the teach-in process is performed by the TCU - completely separate computers.
Hei Stephen! I just performed a complete teach-in on my Evo X MR 2009.
First thing, I flashed the ECU with a new version.
I had 8631A379 (and S/W 0C) and i flashed 8631A827 (and S/W 0B) with 100% succes.
After that i could finally access the PassThru CAN Teach-in.
I did 1 -> 2 -> ignite off -> 7 -> 4 -> 5 -> 8.
I had to retry some procedure more than once in order to have a Normal End, but i always got it.
All without issues. I don't know if it was placebo but a lot of little strange noises went away.
I didn't flashed back to old/previous ECU, was i wrong?
I went for a run and the car suddenly showed a problem: the display turned yellow and i couldn't accelerate (it wouldn't rev). I stopped and restarted and it went perfectly for a while, but this scenario happened 3 times. After that i got home (15 mins run) without any problem.
The oil i drained from the SST was different from the oil i refilled with (red oil drained, filled with Castrol Transmax Dual).
Do you have any suggestion?
You're fine to leave that newer transmission firmware version. The biggest problem is that automatic transmission fluid is usually red. If the car was running for a long time with that, it's likely clogged up the valve body, and possibly worn out some of its components. You'll likely need to get the valve body cleaned, possibly replaced. And get all of the old ATF completely flushed out of the rest of the transmission. You'll also want to inspect the clutches, as that fluid could mean the frictions have been burned.
@@StephenStrangways TBH I saw that the Diaqueen is not red, but a light greenthe same color of the transmax dual that I used! Am I wrong?
However I changed all the liquids before doing the teach in.
My thought were that the remaining oil still had to mix up with the new oil I filled, but I don't know if it make sense. I will have to see how the car behave in the following run.
Now I will evoscan to search some codes
@@lucasaugo4241 DiaQueen SSTF-1 and Castrol Transmax Dual are essentially the same fluid - Castrol makes SSTF-1 for Mitsubishi. They are both green. Automatic transmission fluid is usually, but not always, red. Some incompetent dealerships and independent garages will put automatic transmission fluid or CVT fluid in a car with an SST, and it does terrible things to the transmission.
@@StephenStrangways oh ok, I misunderstood your previous answer then, and we both agree that the previous fluid was wrong!
I hope the problem was that the fluids were still mixing up and so the valves were acting strange because of the different density and viscosity of the fluid. Maybe now it will be better but I plan to change again the SST oil in order to have the purest oil possible. All the other oils are changed so the car should be good.
I just run an evoscan and I found: U0101 TC-SST ECU temporary CAN timeout; U0141 ETACS temporary CAN timeout; P1590 TCM to ECM communication error in torque reduction request.
@@lucasaugo4241 sounds like a good plan! Those trouble codes usually happen after flashing new firmware, so try just clearing them and see if they come back. If they do, it could be just because of a loose connector.
Great video and guide.
Still stupid question, why you followed this order of teaching steps?
The Mitsubishi Factory Service Manual specifies the order of 7,1,2 for the shift forks, and 7,4,5,8 for the clutch with the engine needing to be restarted in-between.
Some very experienced tuners recommend 7,1,2 restart 1,7,4,5,8 which is just adding another plausability check to the start of the second sequence.
@@StephenStrangways Many thanks!
did you manage it
hi stephen stranways , my 2008 evo mr shift but wont engage , all shift cable shift , but didnt do anything and on my dash didnt show p, d , r or neutral , so teach-in gonna solve problem ? thanks guy if anybody know whats going on ?
A teach-in definitely won't solve it. If the physical linkage to shift in and out park is connected, but there is no gear display and no gears are engaging, check the wiring harness connections. If they are okay, it may be that the mechatronic/TCU has failed and will need to be replaced.
@@StephenStrangways thanks for reply
You used the tactrix Openport & what kind of cabel to connect? thx for that video of course
The Tactrix Openport plugs into your car's OBD-II port, and then the USB cable (included) connects the Openport to a computer running Windows.
Stephen Strangways thx for the fast reply !
I repaired a DCT470 transmission. Before installing it to the vehicle, I did the tests injecting air into the transmission, trying all the changes and the clutches, it worked perfectly. I also sent to clean and repair the valve body. Then I installed the transmission to the vehicle but when starting it the transmission does not start. What is there left to do? The transmission needs programming? If so, what would it be and how do I get it? I will appreciate your help.
If the transmission came out of a different car, it will need to be VIN coded to the car it is going into.
@@StephenStrangways Thanks for answering, aquite sent the information of the car Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart 2009 2.0L Turbo vin code: JA3AV66V79U035358 I appreciate all your help! Thank you!!
The VIN of the car it is installed into needs to be programmed into the transmission.
@@StephenStrangways Thanks you!!!
I have installed Pass Thru Can, but I cannot use Pass Thur Can Flash.
When I click Pass Thru Can Flash, I get the error Fl Part file is not installed correctly. Please tell me how to deal with this error.
Follow the Google Drive link in the description. There is a PDF there, "TC-SST Flash_Reflash Guide.pdf" that explains how to modify the files, and what directories you need to put them in.
How do I contact u so I can show u what’s wrong with my transmission
Hi there, I have a tactrix already. What software is needed for the tech in? Can I download it?
www.evolutionm.net/forums/09-ralliart-engine-turbo-drivetrain/693397-ralliart-evo-x-mr-tc-sst-beta-testing-flash-tactrix.html
Hi Stephen. Thank you for the invaluable help! Any idea if all the software and procedures will work with south america domestic market cars? I m here in Brazil (Evolution X 2015 John Easton final edition). Thanks!
Yes, it will work on any car from any market that has an SST.
I love the John Easton Special, and wish we got those in Canada!
Thank you. Indeed its a very special car. The John Easton ECU and sst tunnig are awesome! Do you know about the recomendations to do a teach in ? I have no issues, but our local dealers dont know much about that.
Officially you are supposed to do a teach-in after replacing the clutches or mechatronic unit. Unofficially, it seems to be a helpful thing to do after a transmission fluid change, or even just once a year if you're not doing it alongside fluid changes.
One more ask. I m instaling the Passthru Can software with windows 10. I need to do that change in directory (as sugested in Tc-SST flash_reflash guide pg 9) from C:\programfiles(x86) to C:\program files directory?
If you are running the 64 bit version of Windows 10, which you most likely would be if you bought the computer with Windows 10 pre-installed, then yes, you will need to follow the directions to make sure it installs in C:\Program Files\
First, I am very grateful for your help.
I bought tactrix to do tcu reprogramming because of sst bed noise and installed can passthru.
However, I tried the TC-SST Flash_Reflash Guide as described, but I get a message that the update is unnecessary.
Currently my evo's ecu part number is
8631A827, s / w part number is 8631A8270B.
I can not reprogram, I still hear intermittent sst bad noise, and I would be very much appreciated if you explain step by step.
Finally, do you know why all items related to sst teach-in timeout error after pending?
if you have 8631A8270B it shouldn't do the fifth gear check on startup. So if it's still doing the check, you could try updating to even newer firmware, such as 8631A9710A which you get by flashing 8631B151.cff
If it's not doing the fifth gear check on your current or that firmware, and you are still getting noise on startup, it is most likely an indicator that you have a shift fork problem and you might soon lose your ability to use either your even or odd gears.
Thanks for the reply.
So how do i upgrade my evo firmware?
Do I need to modify the files in the xml folder of pass can thru?
I have mut-3, tactrix. Can I use these devices?
As I said last time, due to the withdrawal of Mitsubishi, there is a lack of information in Korea.
I would appreciate your kind attention.
Finally, do you know the reason for the pending -> timeout error in teach-in?
Yes, you will need to place the .cff file, and the modified xml file, in the appropriate directories as per the flash-reflash guide. And only one set of xml and cuff files can be in the directories at one time.
Tactrix or MUT-3 would both work.
The timeout error is most likely due to the SST not being at the proper temperature, either too hot or too cold.
Where can I buy a compatible OBD2 unit for the CanPassThru app?
Any J2534 Pass Thru cable will work, but the most reliable - and useful for also tuning Evos and Ralliarts - is the OpenPort 2.0 cable from Tactrix.com
Do not buy knock-off Tactrix cables from China on eBay, Amazon, or Aliexpress - they will brick. Buy it directly from Tactrix.com
great video! I have all the files in place needed for the teach in but when I pull up the pass thru can all the options are light gray except for the pass thru can reader? I need to perform a teach in but cannot select the function. any ideas on why this may be happening?
You need to replace the file C:\Program Files\PassThruCAN\System\Common\PTC32.dll with a newer one that you download from the same place as all the other files.
ive deleted the file and replaced It still no luck. is a newer file available? my evo is a 2011 x mr if that makes a difference
It has nothing to do with your car and everything with PassThru CAN. There is no newer version, just the locked Reader only version, and the fully unlocked version. Make sure you are following the instructions in the TC-SST Flash_Reflash Guide.pdf starting on page 11, and that you are using the ptc32.dll that you downloaded from drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4WZqKW7T8KyeFpxeWpPeDBvVDQ
do you experience problem with clutch ventilation? i have a customer who rebuild transmissions that came 2 time having problem to pass this step, clutchacks had same specs than oem fluid was hot ect...
It can be perfectly normal to take a couple of tries to pass clutch vent, but if it won't pass after several tries, that is often a sign that the transmission was overfilled with too much fluid.
Dry fill if the transmission was disassembled and completely emptied is 7.6L.
If the transmission was drained from the drain plugs while still in the car, the wet fill is 5.5L, or 6L if the cooler was also drained.
If any aftermarket parts are installed, such as a larger cooler, pan, or a heated sump, add whatever extra fluid is needed for those parts.
I have the same problem. A complete rebuild with the SSP stage3 clutch pack. The oil was filled with a special machine with the car running. don't know what's it called.
At What intervals should you do this and what tools would i need?
I plan to do it yearly. You'll need a CAN-compatible OBD-II cable (I use a Tactrix OpenPort 2.0,) a computer running Windows, and Mitsubishi's PassThru CAN software.
do I need to get the firmware update on my 2013 MR or just the teach in when I pay for PassThru CAN?
Only 2008 Evos needed a firmware update to be able to do a teach-in, so none is needed on a 2013. And before you pay for PassThru CAN, check the Google Drive link in the description of this video and read the PDF.
@@StephenStrangways sweet thank you! Great video by the way
Wow I had no idea this could be done. My Evo is 5 years old now. Are Mitsubishi dealers able to do this??
They should be able to. They all will have the software they need, they just need to know how to use it.
Hi! Can I use this method to teach the TCU from an Outlander SST transmission? Where can I get this software? Thank you!
I'm not familiar with the Outlander with SST as we never got them in North America, but I understand it to be the exact same transmission, so a teach-in should work the same way. There is a link to the software in the video description.
Stephen Strangways in the link, I have found a folder named Outlander maybe. Could it be the files that I need? In have not yet started the procedure. The mechatronic is stil out from the gear box. Anyway, if I make it, I will post it. Thank you for your help!
You don't need those files to perform a teach-in. They are only needed to update the software on the TCU, which you shouldn't need to do. There is a PDF file in that shared folder that explains how to install the PassThru CAN software,, and which files you need to put where, in order to perform a teach-in.
Hi Stephen, thank you for your assistance. I have an outlander that had the converter and mechatronic rebuilt, or swapped by the previous owner 1 year ago, and recently the car had been jumping out and back into gears randomly so I thought that this might solve the issue, but it has gotten a bit worse. before it only happened at certain rpm with higher loads, and when decelerating. now it happens in each gear when decelerating, regardless if I press the brake or not. I will soon change the oil and ext filter. do you think that would fix the issue? or perhaps the fact that I was not firmly pressing the brake pedal during the procedures can be causing this? thanks in advance for your answer.
also I am wondering if there are any forums or facebook groups related to these transmissions from where I can get inspired. There are not so many shops that are willing to fix these transmissions, and the ones that do, charge an enormous amount. so at first I wanna try to fix it myself, but I need to get informed beforehand.
If the brake pedal were not pressed at all, the teach-in would give an error and refuse to proceed. It's just a safety thing, to make sure if the trans accidentally engages that the car won't jump forward, and doesn't affect the effectiveness of the procedure.
My first thought is that maybe the previous owner got a used mechatronic that is now starting to fail, or they got it rebuilt by an incompetent shop, as there far more shops that think they know what they're doing but actually don't then there are good ones.
@@nemethiraymond2156 the ATSG guide on the transmission, a PDF file, is the best info on the transmission out there. The shops that actually know what they're doing aren't sharing much info, and most of the amateur driveway mechanics trying to fix them aren't sharing much info either, not that you'd be able to trust it all anyway.
hey man, thanks a lot for this video, i got question though, is these maps can be applied on all modules ? i do have 2011 ralliart, so is it going to work ? FYI i didn't do this before, so i will go through the video step by step, and i am doing that, becasue sometimes when the car shifts down when i remove my foot from gas it shake, like hard shift down, also i am looking to change the oil anyway so it will good to do that after the oil has been changed as i understand from the video.
thanks
Yes, the teach-in process will work on a 2011 Ralliart. The teach-in might help now, and it certainly can't hurt to try it. Changing the transmission fluid if it is due, ONLY with genuine Mitsubishi Diaqueen SSTF-1, and changing the filter at the same time (some dealerships skip this step) and then doing another teach-in afterwards is certainly a good idea.
I was wondering if that ecu adapter is a usb or Bluetooth connection to the computer?
The Mitsubishi software only works over USB. You need a J2534 compliant pass-thru cable. An Actia should work. A Tactrix OpenPort 2.0 definitely works.
hey man, i got the openport 2.0, i was going though the flush guide, i see you pick the cnf files for 2010 evo, i have 2011 ralliart, is ok to use these cnf files or where i can find the ones for 11 evo/ralliart. i already checked your google drive and didn't find these files.
never mind i found the answer in the comments, thanks again
I just finished my trans fluid change and I tried to do the tech-in but got this message, “Invalid TC-SST recalibration data”, am I missing some files? My car is a 2011, it’s been tuned 4 or 5 years ago and I had the sst shift tables updated. It seems so much smoother just after putting new fluid in.
You need to have the TI_info.tipart file in the XML folder, and AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_C.cbf in the CBF folder. If there any "generic" CBF files in that folder, just delete them - they can sometimes interfere.
@@StephenStrangways I just did the teach in and made some progress but I got an abnormal end on boost teach in
@@koolzero007 sometimes PassThru CAN just has a glitch and needs to be uninstalled and reinstalled. I end up doing it about once a month and it always solves communications errors.
@@StephenStrangways I wonder if the trans gets too hot that it might cause an abnormal end? I’ll try it again later tonight and make sure the temp is closer to 40degrees.
@@koolzero007 it definitely can. The transmission must be between 40-80 degrees Celsius during the entire procedure, and because the temperature will rise during the process, I never start it if the transmission is above 70, to allow for that.
Can teachin be done on 2008 evo x mr or do you have to flash ecu with another software
The 2008 Evo X MR originally came with TCU software that was Diag. Version 0000, which does not support teach-in. If your TCU software was updated at some point, you should have Diag. Version 0001 or, even better Diag. Version 0002, which both suppport teach-in. If has not already been updated, you will want to update the TCU software not just for teach-in, but for the other improvements that come with newer TCU software as well.
thanks
Hi Stephen, I tried performing the teach-in procedure, following the instructions in the video. As soon as I start with Command 7 - Clutch ventilation, I get 1,500 RPM for 2 seconds and it stops. At no point Teach-in Execution becomes Yes and operation terminates with Abnormal end. Tried re-performing the step 3 times, without success.
Temperature of the oil at 43 degrees, using Tactrix 2.0. Car works ok with no issues after failing the step.
Any idea what I could be doing wrong?
I've had clutch vent sometimes take 6 or more repeated attempts before it passes. The two most common reasons it won't ever pass are if you're not on perfectly level ground, or if your transmission has been substantially over-filled with too much fluid.
@@StephenStrangways Hi! It's been a while since last tries, but now there is update. Unfortunately, still not able to complete the step 7. Checked the oil level in the SST and the amount is correct (actually, it was lower than the required level and I ended up adding about 1liter extra). Car was on level surface (same place where procedure was completed on a friend's Ralliart), oil temperature was 80, 60 and 50 degrees. In total we tried more than 20 times to complete the clutch ventilation, but it is still the same - 1,5K RPM for 2-3 seconds and steps with abnormal end. Any suggestions?
@@1br934 How did you check the fluid level, by draining and measuring it?
@@StephenStrangways I opened up the fluid level check plug, on the left side of the transmission, as mentioned here - www.evolutionm.net/forums/mitsubishi-tc-sst-discussion-all-equipped-models/579305-tc-sst-level-check-plug.html
@@1br934 do you have an Outlander? That is what the SST check plug is intended for, and opinions are mixed as to whether or not it's accurate for the Evo or RA.
Hello. Where can I download MUT3 software for the US market?
You can't. You have to buy it from Mitsubishi, as hardware and software, and it costs thousands of dollars. Anything else you find online is going to be knock-off hardware with pirated software, and there's no guarantee it will work. It may even fry your ECU. I don't say that as a scare tactic, I say that because I've seen it happen, once with a Russian knock-off MUT-III, and twice with Chinese knock-off Tactrix OpenPort 2.0 cables.
If you just want to do a teach-in, PassThru CAN works just fine.
for me there was no xml folder so I created one and copied the files over. for some reason it still isn't seeing the files. I'm stuck
If you created the XML folder within the DiagDB folder, and it's still not working, try going into the CBF folder and remove the two "GENERIC..." files there, and put just "AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_C.cbf" in there.
@@StephenStrangways hi I'm replying from a different account. That's exactly what the problem was I didn't have the cbf folder where it was supposed to be. It works now thanks 😁
all you need is the op2 cable, you can buy an openport 2.0 usb cable from www.evoscan.com and search evoscan sst they have instructions for doing the teach-in on their website.
I got a used 2011 Evo x Mr that I just changed all the fluids from the sst to oil to drive train. I have noticed that first gear is slipping alittle and that on turns in manual mode in S-sport or any mod it will up shift it self when I'm going slow ? Or turning a sharp corners. Would me doing every step mabie help? And can this make it undriveable? If something Gose wrong well it's re learning? The dealership told me they don't wanna do any of them with them taking it for test drive First :/
It is normal for the transmission to upshift automatically, even in manual mode, when it is very cold. Once it reaches operating temperature, which can take 20 minutes in the summer and 40 minutes in the winter, it should not be doing it.
If it is doing it while warm, a teach-in will not help with that. One possible cause is a bad tune, or the car was tuned with mods installed that the previous owner removed before trading the car in, so the tune doesn't match what it is on the car now, and it will need to be re-tuned.
If it's not that, it could be that the transmission is heading towards failing, and a rebuild from a trusted shop is going to be $2500-6500, a replacement from a dealership $10000-13000, so if you have any sort of warranty from the dealership, you want to get this sorted before it expires.
@@StephenStrangways oh god 🙏 I got it private and it has the Cobb stage 3 kit installed and the Cobb port to go with it ? That all I really starting loving this car.if I do the teach-in will it help it? Or make it worsen it or do nothing you think?
@@ryankuiack2235 a teach-in certainly can't hurt, so it's worth trying, but it's not all that likely to fix the problem. The Cobb OTS maps are TERRIBLE for the Evo MR because they increase power without making any changes to the transmission tables to help the clutches hold the extra power, so it just shreds the clutches. What you really need is a proper custom tune from someone who actually understands the SST transmission, and that may reduce the clutch slip you are experiencing now. Hopefully it wasn't driven too hard for too long with the Cobb setup, because if it was, there probably isn't much clutch material left.
Well I hope so I'm wondering if I can Flash it back to stock ? With all the mods it has and do a teach in? And that would save it tell I can get a pro tune done
I deeply appreciate you help and time I can find a clear answer for anything to save my life I get alot of just trade it and get a gsr lol
Can this performed with a standalone engine ECU?
If that standalone engine ECU is compliant with SAE J2534 pass-thru and OBD-II, and the TCU is connected to the ECU, then it should work.
I can't find all support files needed for the teachin procedure. Can you help? in the list of support files for Evo X there aren't all files needed to make it work... is there any other location for support files ?
The only files you need for a teach-in are:
AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_C.cbf
TI_Info.tipart
The TC-SST Flash_Reflash Guide.pdf has excellent and complete instructions on setting up PassThruCAN, including which directories those files need to go in.
Perfect. I thought a complete install was needed. Many thanx !!!
how do i get that xml file. i downloaded passthrucan but dont have that file
All the files you need can be found in the Google Drive folder that there is a link to in the description of this video.
Under what conditions and when should this teach-in be performed on the SST?? And will this solve the grinding noise problem upon cold starts? Currently 75k no codes Just a grinding noise on a cold start worse in winter months...
Teach-in should be performed if you replace the clutch basket or mechatronic. It also seems to help keep shifts smooth if you do it once every year or two.
The grind on start is a completely separate thing that was solved with an update to the transmission firmware. Mitsubishi issued a Technical Service Bulletin for it, so dealerships should be able to do the update for free - but I went to several and they were unable to follow the clear, simple instructions provided by Mitsubishi, even when I printed them out and took them with me. So I just did it myself with PassThru CAN, and that's what started my whole journey into figuring out the SST!
@@StephenStrangways ok, so this "The grind on start is a completely separate thing that was solved with an update to the transmission firmware. Mitsubishi issued a Technical Service Bulletin for it, so dealerships should be able to do the update for free" as of what year my Ralliart is 2015 the last year that they made my car this should have been updated automatically from dealer before car was bought no?
The TSB was to update 2009-2010 cars, as later years already shipped with newer firmware. Three possibilities: 1) at some point the SST in your car was replaced with a used, older one with older firmware, 2) at some point someone had flashed Evo MR TCU software to get S-Sport, and they either used an old firmware version, or when they flashed it back to RA firmware they used an old version, or 3) the grind is not caused by the old firmware (that does a 5th gear engagement to see if the car is moving,) so it is something else entirely - a mechanical issue. Or just the wrong transmission fluid.
I'm a lil stumped with this issue,,I am the original owner and this is the original trans never been changed,, I service sst every 20k with only diaqueen sst fluid and also change the external filter every time I change my oil at 5k... yes I I do have a Cobb flash tune since the car had about 10K and never ever had s sport installed or calibrated whatsoever.. also I do most of my driving in manual due to the excessive upshifting at low mph just the way I've driven to date once realizing the characteristic of this trans.. now at 74k with no longer within my warranty I'm hesitating to bring to the dealer from what I read they know just about as much as I do about this transmission 🤦♂️.. what to do..
Regular fluid changes with DiaQueen is good. The Cobb AccessPort is terrible. It's one of the worst things you can do for your SST, because it doesn't support tuning the SST tables at all. The OTS maps are especially terrible. I would highly recommend logging the trans with a Tactrix cable and EvoScan, and getting a good tuner who knows the SST really, really well, to go over it and see what state it's in, and if it's okay, get it tuned (or e-tuned) in a way that won't destroy the SST. And I agree that no dealership will be able to help you. They don't know anything about the SST. The only official repair procedure on it is to simply replace it.
If you don't have to equipment to do this yourself would a Mitsubishi dealership perform this operation?
N. Blacke Yes, any Mitsubishi dealership should be able to do this for you.
Hi Stephen, hey I download the files from your link, but I having a problem, when the program opens just show me the read vin, and them nothing more, I can read the vin from the ecu engine or the AT, but nothing else, can you help me please, best regards
After installing the program, you need to overwrite the file ptc32.dll in the program directory with the version of the file that is on Google Drive. Be sure to read and follow the PDF which has instructions for making registry changes to install the program in the correct directory, or it won't work at all.
@@StephenStrangways thanks
Hey Stephen. I want to ask something. About the part number 7. First time it does it but second time after switching off the car and launching again its always saying abnormal end. Any ideas what it could be? Thanks in advance. Chris
Clutch vent usually fails for one of two reasons: you're not on level ground, or the transmission was overfilled with too much fluid. But because it worked once for you, it may be just one of those quirky weird things that can happen. You can safely proceed with all the other steps, skipping that one, and everything should work fine.
@@StephenStrangways all other steps are worked like it should. And I have filled the trans fluid exactly 6.7 liters. So may be the ground because it isn't the best park place 😅. Thanks for your reply bro. Helped me a lot. We will see the next time. Have a great day and stay healthy! Cheers
@@Apithanos 6.7 L is a bit much, but shouldn't cause clutch vent to fail. Did you drain it for a long time, and also drain the cooler?
@@StephenStrangways nope I haven't drain it from the cooler 🤔
@@Apithanos Draining the transmission for 3 minutes (as per the factory service manual) will only get about 5.4 L out, plus whatever is in the filter housing. If you drain the cooler, that's another 0.5 L. So your transmission is definitely over-filled, but it shouldn't cause any serious problems.
If you flash a cff from an evo mr to get the ssport mode on a ralliart, would you then need to perform a teach-in? Or is the teach-in information stored elsewhere on the TCU?
My experience has been that the teach-in information is stored and not affected by flashing different TCU software versions on. That being said, if you are updating from really old TCU software (diag version 0001), it will not have had all of the teach-in functions, so in that case, you'd definitely want to do another teach-in. There is no harm in doing another teach-in if you have any doubts.
Stephen Strangways I just updated a 2010 Mr from 8361A8270A to ..8270B. I'm guessing it should be fine. Drives pretty much the same as before the update.
8270A can have the "transmission gear noise after cold engine start," while 8270B is the latest version for the 2010, and it avoids that problem. So, you should be all good to go. I'm not aware of any changes other than the cold start noise, so I would expect it to drive just the same.
I am wondering if the file I used is correct, the gear noise at cold start still occurs.
Did you use 8631B001_dio30.cff ? If it didn't end in _dio30, it might not have been the right file.
So your foot is on the brake the whole time while doing this?
Yes, you must have it held down firmly the whole time each step is executing.
What kind of wire do you need to connect to your laptop to the car?
You need a cable that supports the SAE J2534 Pass-Thru cable. A cheap Actia cable will work, but most people use a Tactrix OpenPort 2.0 cable because that can also be used for ECU programming, so it's useful for other things.
Stephen Strangways thank you I appreciate that
Hey my friend got a 2015 lancer ralliart and his sst doesn't turn on, if he does this procedure will he have the sst turning on? Or is this something else?
What do you mean by doesn't turn on? A teach-in won't work if there is a communication problem between the ECU and TCU, so it won't solve that problem.
Stephen Strangways his car goes into sport mode but he tried everything for it to go into super sport but it doesn't want to switch into super sport
The Ralliart does not have S-Sport. The Evo does. You can flash the TCU firmware for the Evo to the Ralliart to get S-Sport, and there are instructions on how to do it in the Google Drive link in the description. Just be sure to flash back to the Ralliart firmware before taking the car to a dealership - if they find S-Sport on your car, your warranty will be voided.
Hi Stephen, I tried again all flashes for Evo. With 2008 Evo got invalid tc sst recalibration data, and with all others reached teach in menu but got same problem, clutch ventilation abnormal end yes. I tried at least 30 times. Then I drained about 200 ml fluid from transmision, and tried again. Same problem. I don’t what to do anymore. Please help me. If you want, i can send you a video to see what it’s doing when i try teach in procedure. Thank you again!
You could try draining the transmission fluid and measuring it to make sure you have the right amount. Other than that, there may be something wrong with the transmission that will require it to be removed and repaired, but if it's running fine, just failing the teach-in, you may as well just keep driving it as-is.
Done, it was exactly like you said, to much fluid. Teach in went ok. Many thanks for your help Stephen! Do you recommend to flash back to 2008? Now 2011 is flashed. Thank you!
@@georgelbolos6594 the 2011 firmware works perfectly on any year car, and has some good fixes to problems like the grind on startup that could happen sometimes, so it is is best to stick with the 2011 firmware. I'm glad it all worked out!
Stephen Strangways ok! Once again many thanks for your time and help!
Why don't we do the interlock tech in?
The Mitsubishi Factory Service Manual just says it's "not used."
Some shops believe it can cause problems, especially if the trans is cooler than maximum temperature for the teach-in, so they never touch it.
Other shops use it for diagnostic purposes: if shift fork teach in fails, they'll do an interlock teach in, then back to shift fork, and it usually passes. If both fail, it indicates a mechanical problem with the transmission.
My tuner says I should do a teach-in before they tune the car. Is this true?
If a year or two has passed since the last teach-in, it would be a good idea to do a teach-in before a tune, and most importantly, drive the car for a while afterwards, at least a day or two, before the tune.
When you perform the "reset clutch gain" function, it takes a while afterwards for the clutch gain to re-learn a good, lower setting during normal driving. If you don't give it time to re-learn during driving, it will have greater than normal clutch pressure, so if it's tuned like that just to the point where it doesn't slip, and the transmission later learns a lower clutch pressure, it could start to slip then.
@@StephenStrangways I'm having A LOT of work done, built block and header, all bolt ons, new turbo, fuel pump, injectors.... I don't want to drive it a lot before the tune. At the same time, it hasn't been driven since 1/26/20, that's when the engine failed.
@@audilicous then personally I would not do a teach-in before the tune.
where can i get this progeam to do teach in 08 evo mr? do i need to flash it aslo
The firmware on the transmission itself does not support the teach-in process on 2008 model year transmissions. You will need to update it, which is a similar process to flashing S-Sport on a Ralliart.
@@StephenStrangways where can i find software
@@raffaelemarinucci drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B-eSylKomuYha3ZXMFVKdV83V00
Or you can get someone to do it for you remotely:
www.nrgops.com/product/remote_sst
How do I know if my transmission need to be programmed,,, I have 2011 ralliart sst transmission in only have reverse,,, also transmission has been rebuilt and has engine lite on for p184b shift fork 4 malfunction
Was it just rebuilt recently, and you're having these problems after it was installed back in the car, or was it rebuilt some time, was working fine, and just started having these problems recently?
@@StephenStrangways yeah after the rebuild it’s never work correctly,,, I guess they couldn’t get it to work
@@StephenStrangways so it has a solid reverse,,, it only goes forward if you start the car and right away put it in gear it will roll forward ,,,And then lose engagement
From what they told me,,,They replace the wet clutches to fix the magnet on the shift forks with special glue,,, they supposedly went through the whole unit!!! So they told me it could be a program issue!!! But I can’t be too sure I’m thinking about open the unit up myself,, I just wanted to confirm that this wasn’t a program or computer issue
@@tyrellwilliams3814 well first of all, gluing the magnet back on the shift fork won't work for very long. It should have been replaced with a better shift fork, like the one from Dodson. So it sounds like you went to a shop that doesn't really know what they're doing. Second, the magnet must be very precisely placed, and its position does need to be calibrated with a MUT-III, which it sounds like they didn't do.
To be honest with you, it's a rather difficult transmission to work with, so your average transmission shop can't do it properly, most transmission shops that specialize in dual-clutch transmissions can't do it properly, and even some shops who claim to specialize in the SST are liars and cheats and can't do it properly. There have been many cases of people taking their cars back to a shop half a dozen times over a year and never getting their SST running right, until they eventually get it to a shop that actually knows what they're doing. What country do you live in?
I have 2008 EVO X EU UK Car and I can't do the teach-in , it says....
"invalid TC-sst recalibation data. Please contact mmna"
But I do have "TI_Info.tipart" file in the C:\Program Files\PassThruCAN\DiagDB\XML\
Help please :)
The problem is that the firmware on your TCU is so old that it doesn't have the ability to do a teach-in. The "diag version" is too old. You'll need to update your TCU firmware, which is a good idea anyway.
Many thanks... Its all sorted although the re-flashing procedure kept failing about 6 or 7 times but eventually finished normally.
The gearbox wouldnt select any gears until I had finished reflashing so once you start you have to finish... !
How about interlock teach in? And why clutch ventilation 2 times?
Interlock teach-in and line pressure test are described in the PassThru CAN manual as "available but not used." The factory service manual for the car does not mention them being used. Nobody has ever figured out what they do, or any reason to use them.
Clutch ventilation twice may not be strictly necessary, but it sure doesn't hurt to do it twice. If something isn't right with the transmission it will fail right away, so you know something is wrong, whereas some of the later steps will just get stuck attempting to complete for a very long time, so clutch vent and plausibility check both work well as a test to make sure the transmission is ready for a teach-in.
@@StephenStrangways thank you for your answer.
@@StephenStrangways i just used teach in on my car now, after changed the gear oil and it doesnt pass clutch ventilation. It says abnormal end even after the 20th try.
@@octaviangeorge5455 the most common reasons for it to fail are that you are not parked on level ground when doing the teach in, that you filled the transmission with too much fluid or the wrong fluid, or that the vent hose on the top of the transmission, behind the fill hole, is blocked.
What's interlock teach in? When would we normally want to execute that command?
According to Mitsubishi's factory service manuals, interlock teach-in and line pressure test are "available but not used." As far as I know, nobody has ever found a use for them.
@@StephenStrangways do you know if 2015 SST flash files will work on a 2010 SST?
@@funkyd04 yes, it has been tested by several really good shops like Kozmic and WTF, and they recommend always flashing the newest TCU firmware, for the 2011-2015 cars, no matter what year your is.
Hi Stephen, I have all the buttons disabled, except "PassThru CAN Reader". AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_C.cbf and TI_Info.tipart is in XML folder. Also ptc32.dll in system/common. What I did wrong?
The ptc32.dll file you have is the one that only allows the reader function. You need to delete it, and replace it with the ptc32.dll that is found at the Google Drive link. That version of the file will unlock all functions.
@@StephenStrangways it was from Google Drive. I tried to uninstall, install and start "PassThru CAN" for the first time with right ptc32.dll. No luck still (
@@YurgenVP there's a company that is really good with this stuff, they can connect remotely to your computer to set up the software, even perform the teach in or flash different firmware for you. Email them at sales@nrgops.com
Ok. Solved. Really surprised I'm the first one with this problem. PassThruCAN only works from C:\Program Files\PassThruCAN (any 64bit system will install in to "C:\Program Files (x86)\PassThruCAN").
@@YurgenVP ah yes. That's a very common problem, actually, so that's the reason behind the instructions for doing registry changes before installing it that are in the PDF that's on Google Drive.
Hey Stephen, do I need to have access to the internet while performing the teach in?? I don't really want to do this in my driveway, and piss off all my neighbors. Is it pretty much good to go as long as I have the files needed? Thank you!
No access to the internet needed to use the software.
@@StephenStrangways Thank you so much for replying!!
Hi, does this teach in works for all SST in any country? thanks a lot for the info
Yes, this will work for any Mitsubishi vehicle with an SST, whatever country it was sold in.
Hi Stephen, under teach in, I don't have the function 8 Reset Clutch gain, I think this is the most important part right? any thought?
If you are replacing any components in the transmission, the clutch and/or mechatronic assembly, the first steps will be just as critically important. If you are only looking to reset the stored values that account for clutch wear and/or possible adaptation to driving habits (we are still discovering more about this) as part of a regular “check-up” on the transmission, or before or after a track day, then Reset clutch gain likely is the most important.
Step 8, Reset clutch gain, is not normally visible on the screen. First click on step 7, Clutch Ventilation, then click the downward-facing black triangle to the right. That should scroll the list down, and allow you to click on step 8.
Just did this and everything was normal end yes except for the shift fork teach was abnormal, you have any input to this?
Shift fork failing is not a good sign. It can mean a loose magnet that is about to fall off. Do you ever have a problem with your transmission skipping gears, like changing from 1st to 3rd, skipping second?
@@StephenStrangways no problems at all, it is built. Last teach in I did in April everything came out good
@@100000bautista that is odd... but if everything is working fine with the transmission, you're good to keep driving it! Did you try repeating the shift fork teach-in step? Sometimes it can take a few tries before it works properly. Just make sure the transmission temperature is still within the proper range, as it heats up during the process.
@@StephenStrangways actually just tried it again right now and everything came out good, no idea why that one gave me trouble but we are all good now, that’s for the help!
@@100000bautista I'm glad to hear it worked! It's one of those things that can be a bit glitchy sometimes, so don't worry about it failing the first time. If all gears are working fine, then everything is alright with your transmission.
Mine stuck on clutch vent never end what could it be the issue
If the car is not parked on level ground it can fail clutch vent, or if the vent itself (top of the transmission, near the fill hole near the battery tray) is blocked it can fail, but the most common cause is the transmission was over-filled with fluid, which is blocking the vent. Many people, even techs at dealerships, misunderstand the fluid quantity, and they drain 5.5 L then read the "dry fill" specs and put 7.5 L in, which over-fills the transmission by 2 L.
@@StephenStrangways I'll try to check the fluid tonight and retry again
Thanks
@@StephenStrangways how do I check the fluid level? Or it's better for me to just drain out and refilled with 5.5L?
Thanks
@@RecreationAutomotiveGarage officially: drain it, measure it, put it back in. Unofficially: there is a check plug, but it's only designed to work in the Outlander, so in a Lancer, you need a hex key that fits perfectly (possibly modified) between the plug and frame rail, and when parked on level ground, it will drain any excess fluid out, but it won't help you if it's under-filled.
for 2008 mr is this the same way?
The TCU firmware of the 2008 MR does not have the teach-in function, so it first needs to be updated to a newer version. Then the teach-in process is exactly the same.
i can't do the teach-in , saying invalid TC-sst recalibation data. Please contact mmna
The TI_Info.tipart file must be in the C:\Program Files\PassThruCAN\DiagDB\XML\ folder.
Stephen Strangways I have the same inconvenient, I have the file in the correct folder and doesn’t work
I have 09 RA and it has this ecu part number 8631A513 and s/w 8631A5130C
Do you know what could be the problem?
Maybe the frimware ?
Hi Stephen, thank you for your video and your infos you wrote in the comments;
Please help in my situation too. My car is an Evo x 2008 MR
I flashed ECU after i read and done all indications in the procedure, and when i wanted to do teach in I got the error: Invalid TC-SST recalibration data. Please contact MMNA.
I checked again and reinstaled .tipart file, but got the same error.
Next I flashed with EVO X 2010 files, then reached Teach in menu, but when I tried to do clucth ventilation, operation started and ended with abnormal end Yes, and engine accelerated to about 1400 rpm for a few seconds and go back to idle.
I tried this for 10 ore more times, and got the same response.
Now I flashed back with 2008 Evo files and looks like:
8631A3798631A3790C8631A749_dio30AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_CTC-SSTReprogramming data for Mechatronic Assy replacement of 08MY LANCER EVOLUTION2011.12.12Reprogramming for Teach-in8631A8278631A8270B
And got back the error: Invalid TC-SST recalibration data. Please contact MMNA.
Please help me with your opinion.
Many Thanks!
Invalid TC-SST recalibration data may be happening because the CBF folder should only contain AMT_17800000_000204_dio30_C.cbf and any GENERIC files in that folder should be removed.
Clutch vent may fail if you are not parked on level ground, or if your transmission fluid was over-filled with fluid. It sometimes just takes multiple tries - you can try it again and again until it passes.
Cbf folder contains only AMT file, generic files was deleted. Car was parked on ground. I don’t know what to say about oil quantity. Last week I changed the oil, and probably I put 100-200 ml more. Should I take it out before i try again? Thank you!
@@georgelbolos6594 engine oil doesn't matter, but too much transmission fluid can cause a problem. The last time it was changed, did you change it yourself, or did a shop do it for you?
@Stephen, I wrote oil, but talked about transmision fluid, that I changed last week, and I did by myself. I used Castrol Transmax dual. Drained all 3 drain plugs and fluid cooler too, then filled about 7,7liters.
@@georgelbolos6594 that's your problem - too much fluid. 7.6 L is the dry fill after the transmission has been removed, opened up, and cleaned out. But when you drain the transmission on the car, you only get 5.5 L out, or 6 L if you also drain the cooler, so that is how much you should put back in. 6.5 L at most, no more than that.
Hi Stephen, I tried to do the teach-in on my 2012 ralliart but the car shut off and the engine light came on. Codes I got were U0100 P1870 P1871and P0725. The strange thing is without the software running and just plugging the USB connector into the computer would cause the engine to
cut out. I erased the codes with my android app and the same thing would happen when trying to do the teach-in. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Those codes all share one thing in common - CAN bus communications errors. Weirdness with your OBD-II port would fall under the same category.
So, first of all, test your battery. Don't just check the voltage, but take it to a garage or auto parts store that can test it under load. If it's several years old and tests poorly, its time for a new one.
If that doesn't solve it, check your CAN bus lines. It could be a short in a wire somewhere, or just a loose connector.
The next official troubleshooting step after that, according to the Mitsubishi factory service manual, is replacing your ECU.
Hi .. i have changed the battery and it is still giving me the same error codes. I was wondering if the OBD2 cable i'm using is the right one. This cable I was using with the BMW software INPA. Thx in advance
Is the cable SAE J2534 compliant? That's what you need for this software to work properly.
No it's not a J2534 cable but i will go and buy one, then try again. The problem with my car is while driving, it would rev up to 5000 rpm on it's own. I was hoping i could do a teach-in and that would fix the problem.
While you were driving, and were pressing the throttle, it would suddenly rev up to 5000 rpm without accelerating? That's clutch slip, so a teach-in MIGHT help, but you probably need new clutches. How many kilometres are on the car?
Hey man thanks for the video i did the teaching and i feel the car shift better already, i got a question though i followed the sst reflashing guide and flashshed evo 2011 files on my RA i have the s-sport mode now, so is ok or needed to do the teching again
You do not need to do the teach-in again.
Getting hung up on stroketeach in any ideas?
Clutch vent failing is usually due to fluid being overfilled. The temperature being out of range can lead to it hanging on shift fork or stroke. It can also sometimes just take several tries to pass stroke, for no apparent reason. So, make sure you're at the proper temp, and just try it over and over until it works.
@@StephenStrangways i drove it a bit to a parking lot ((flat ground) tried it again and was successful i saw in the video the stroke took two minutes very helpful thank you
I'm glad you got it working!
@@StephenStrangways im wondering do i need a tune after flashing super sport onto a ralliart + teach in? running stock tune from mitisu atm
No, you don't need a tune to run S-Sport. If you get rev hunt it can usually be solved by flashing the 2013 Evo TCU firmware, even if you have an older RA, and if that doesn't work, then a good tune will fix it. And your car will perform better, too. Just be sure to go to a tuner who knows the SST really, really well. I got an e-tune from Wasatch Turbo Factory because there was nobody in my area who was actually any good.
Hi I would like to know if this teach-in would help with a p1870 code?
It won't hurt to try. Have you had your car tuned? if so, and it wasn't someone REALLY familiar with the SST, I'd also consider that to be a likely cause of the code.
Stephen Strangways thank you for your response. Actually I had out on a bunch of mods and was pulling some laps on a hot day. And that's when it happened. The car is down for over 1 year now. It breaks my heart to see that. And I'm my country there's no tuners. So I'm at a huge disadvantage. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
What mods do you have on the car?
Stephen Strangways currently I have on a tubular exhaust manifold, 3" down & test pipe, 2.5" cat exhaust. 3.5" intercooler, hard pipes, hks athmospheric BOV, radium fuel rail, radium FPR, radium fuel pulse damper, 1200CC BOSCH injectors, and a cheap cone style intake made to fit in the original air box.
And was the car tuned with all of those parts installed? If not, there is your problem right there. If yes, if the MAF housing was changed and it wasn't tuned PROPERLY, with the MAF scaled by a competent tuner who understands airflow models, that's your problem. And even if it was tuned by someone competent, your BOV venting to atmosphere could be causing your problem.
If you don't have tuner local to you, but you have a Tactrix cable and a laptop, you could get an e-tune from someone who understands the SST really well. There aren't many, and I would say that the best of the best is www.wtftuned.com
already install ..but asking for ID and Password??
Follow the instructions on the last page of the TC-SST Flash_Reflash Guide.pdf
How to connect to car?
You need a cable that connects to the OBD-II port and supports the j2534 pass-thru protocol. The Tactrix OpenPort 2.0 cable is an expensive choice but very reliable, and also allows you to do a lot more with Evos and Ralliarts. Beware of cheap knock-off cables from eBay, Amazon, and Aliexpress.
Wait. Is this with the tactrix openport 2.0?
Yes, that is one of the many cables you can use to do this.
@@StephenStrangways oh okay thank you!
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is the 3000 temp for transmission important though? How do i warm it up?..
@@rigo117x7 the temperature is super important - if the transmission is too hot or too cold, the steps of the teach-in will always fail, and it won't tell you exactly why it failed. Warm it up by driving it! City driving is the best, as cruising on the highway in a single gear won't warm it up much. Use EvoScan on your laptop to check the temperature.
Okay what does transmission teach-in even mean?
It's a procedure for a dual-clutch automated manual transmission to run some tests: engaging and disengaging clutches, selecting and deselecting gears, and checking to see how much hydraulic pressure is needed to do those things, as it will change over time as clutches wear down, for example. The transmission then stores that data, and uses it every time it shifts in regular use.
The teach-in process must be done any time that parts are replaced in the transmission - if you replace the clutch, it has to learn how thick the new clutch is, essentially.
It's also a good thing to do from time-to-time, just to make sure that the data the transmission has stored is up to date. Sometimes a transmission can be shifting roughly, and after a teach-in, it's nice and smooth.
I believe I need to do that. I have a transmission code, something to do with the clutch? But the car drives good
Which code? A teach-in certainly can't hurt, but if the problem is enough to trigger a code, it will likely need more than just a teach-in.
Stephen Strangways the transmission code is P1874 and it has something to do with the Clutch2 Pressure???
You can try a teach-in. If the code comes back, it means either your clutch has likely worn down to almost nothing, and inspecting or replacing it is the first troubleshooting step. If the clutch is fine, or it comes back after replacing the clutch, replacing the mechatronic assembly is the next troubleshooting step.
so what exactly is the whole point to doing this ?
By doing teach-in, the SST runs self-tests in the mechatronic assembly and clutches, and then stores that data. After replacing any of those components you need to do a teach-in. Many owners also choose to do it to account for the normal wear on components from a year or more of driving. A car that has slightly rough shifts is usually smooth as butter afterwards.
I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.
+Stephen Strangways do you just need the software to do this ? or is there anything else needed to do the teach in ?
You need the software, and an OBD-II cable that is J2534 pass-thru compliant. A Tactrix OpenPort 2.0 cable will work and lots of Mitsubishi owners already have them.
Oh alright !! Thanks
What is the link to software download?
It's in the video description.
@@StephenStrangways After clicking the link in the description it says I don't have access.
@@Teddingtin I just heard of that happening to someone else yesterday, so the person who created that shared Google Drive may have recently changed it from "public" to requiring approval to access it, or perhaps that happened automatically after too many people accessed it.
@@StephenStrangways If you still have access to the files do you think you could reupload them?
@@Teddingtin I have sent a message to the person who created the files and the Google Drive folder to see what we can do.
Got a question for anyone here. First off, this video th-cam.com/video/IN6YQhWgY88/w-d-xo.html is exactly what my car is doing. Not my video but it's 100% what mine is doing, the click, click and grind at the end. Same year and everything. Would tuning/teach in help with this or what is even going on with my car? I've been told it could be numerous things and also to teach in the Evo software. Around here in Iowa, no one seems to know how to work on this car so I'm trying to reach out to other ralliart/evo owners.
This was a known problem with the 2009-2010 Lancer Evolution MR and Ralliart. Mitsubishi issued a Technical Service Bulletin to solve it: "On affected vehicles equipped with W6DGA TC−SST transmissions, the TCM quickly engages and disengages 5th gear to determine whether the vehicle is moving. Noises can be heard as the shift fork attempts to move from neutral to 5th gear, and back to neutral immediately following engine start after an
extended time being parked (e.g. overnight parking).
This TSB instructs technicians to reprogram the TCM with new software to prevent gear noise by
eliminating the 5th gear vehicle speed check."
From my experience and the experiences of others, most dealerships are unable to follow the simple instructions on performing the software update, so you're better off doing it yourself using PassThru CAN.
For a 2009 or 2010 Ralliart you would flash 8631B002.cff which contains version 8631A8600B, or for a 2010 Evolution MR you would flash 8631B001.cff which contains version 8631A8270B
Stephen Strangways Dude, thank you so much. I'll work on that this weekend. Everyone kept throwing an 11k bill my way for a brand new tranny when no one really knew what was wrong. Does the PassThru CAN come with the software needed to flash over into the car or do I get that somewhere else?
Yeah, it's annoying that something as simple as a software update is impossible to comprehend at most Mitsubishi dealerships.
Everything you need is here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4WZqKW7T8KyeFpxeWpPeDBvVDQ
Stephen Strangways I searched on Amazon for the device in the guide needed to connect the laptop to the car and didn't find the exact one listed. I assume its still available, just can't find it.
There are plenty of cheap clones and knock-offs available, but they can cause some serious issues, like bricking your ECU. It will cost a bit more to get the genuine article, but it's worth it:
www.tactrix.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=17&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53
You do not need any of the Reflash Adapters, so you can leave that at None.
I have P2809
If you have P2809, your valve body has failed. You'll need to replace the mechatronic unit.
after teach in my car jiggle when gear position r/d
Immediately after teach-in? I've noticed that cars will creep forward much faster - in drive, foot off the throttle - than before, because of the "reset clutch gain" step. After a day or two of driving, the transmission learns a new clutch gain value, and will go back to normal. So, if the jiggle is caused by that, it should go back to normal after some driving.
Stephen Strangways
I didn’t open throttle my foot on brake pad and car have jiggle all time
How far have you driven since doing the teach-in?
Can you get any benefit by doing this on a stock car?
This will allow the TCU to account for any normal wear that is on the clutch, so it should benefit any stock car once the clutch is worn down a bit from new.