Explaining Doctor Who's BIGGEST Plot Holes
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- Doctor Who canon makes no sense. With plenty of contradictions in the lore, from William Hartnell in 1963, to David Tennant in 2005, to Ncuti Gatwa in 2024, there are plenty of aspects of the show that make no sense. So I tried to explain some of YOUR biggest complaints with Doctor Who lore!
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While I admit it's a cheat to have the Doctor use the Teselecta, the writing implies the fixed point was always the Teselecta being shot, not The Doctor himself. I think this one went over everyone's head, while I agree it could have been better written, there's no actual plot hole there.
If the Tesselecta's death was a fixed point in time, I don't think that was made clear tbh. The Doctor's obituary (not sure if it counts as an obituary but you know what I mean) that we see on the TARDIS monitor multiple times in series 6 states that it is the Doctor who dies. It would be a massive oversight on the Kovarian Chapter's end if they accidentally created a fixed death for the wrong entity lol
@@Cosmic_NiteThe obituary is for the Doctor because nobody but the Doctor, River, Amy and Rory knew that it was the Teselecta. The fixed point in time was always the Doctor inside the Teselecta, but nobody else in the universe knew that, which is why River goes to Stormcage to keep his survival a secret. That’s why we don’t see Kovarian and the Silence attempt another assassination (until Big Finish wrote series 3 of The Diary of River Song). The universe thinks the fixed point was the Doctor’s death, but they just didn’t know the full truth.
@@nocturne8333 this is a fair point - seeing these explanations does actually provide clarity and does actually rebute my argument. Though as walterposs mentioned, it's not conveyed very clearly in the episode. The episode desperately needed to be a two-parter or trim the irrelevant fat (i.e. the Gantok scenes) to allow the other elements to breathe.
I still think the episode is built on poorly established premises. Whilst not a plot-hole, the Doctor accepting his fate at Lake Silencio after heating about the Brigadier's death has zero setup, as the Brig isn't referenced earlier in the episode (nor in the rest of Series 5 and 6 IIRC). Not a relevant point to the timey-wimey Tesselecta plothole, but my grievances with this episode are many.
@@jjkeyboards I agree that it needed another episode, and I would gladly get rid of any Gareth Roberts episode to do it.
I think the Brigadier’s death was the straw that broke the camel’s back for the Doctor. Throughout the series Moffat focused on knocking down the Doctor’s reputation that RTD had hyped up, we see in A Good Man Goes to War that his reputation is not necessarily a good thing, and Moffat twists a classical revenge narrative to show that the Doctor gets it wrong. From the moment they lose Melody at Demons Run the Doctor starts to believe that, to quote River, “the universe is better off without you”. This also links back to The Pandorica Opens, where the Doctor’s reputation leads to the Alliance attempting to trap him in the Pandorica and save the universe.
All the information he gets about how dangerous his future at Trenzalore is from Dorium and the Teselecta, along with his response to Amy and Rory’s trauma being to leave them behind, shows he started to doubt himself. It takes until the scene on top of the pyramid in the finale for him to realise that “you are loved, by so many and so much,” and gives him the motivation to carry on. He only gets into the Teselecta so that the Silence will stop trying to hurt his friends and so he can “step back into the shadows”.
It was certainly clunky, but I think a lot of thought went into it behind the scenes that were slightly hidden by a last minute script.
@TardisCoil you missed the point the doctor mistakenly believed you could NOT change a fixed point when in reality you could if you made it APPEAR to have happened as originally expected. He repeated the same trick in the 50th anniversary with the time locked (fixed point) destruction of galifrey.
I always interpreted the scene of the angels moving as the lights flashing so fast almost like strobes so we see the "frames" of them in between movements going by so fast that it seems like they are moving but that the show avoided actual flashing lights to avoid giving people seizures
That is such a stretch 😅, them using CGI for it makes less believable
I always liked the "they're moving between the frames" explanation
3:10 My theory is that the Doctor couldn't save them because they already died (as we saw their tombstone), and since death is a fixed point in time...
my theory about 7:00 is that the fixed point wasnt actually the doctor dying, it was river shooting the doctor
Exactly. I don't love this plot point but yes, the shooting incident and its aftermath is the fixed point i time, not the Doctor's death. The Doctor never died in this fixed point; it just took him a long time figure out he always was in that robot.
As far as the Angels moving, as I see it, this was done purely to convey a narrative beat to the audience that the writers couldn't think of another way of conveying: that being that the Angels are coming to the realization that Amy can't see them and that they can attack. The audience needs something showing that to be true so they understand that the danger is rising and the hero is in danger. Were there other ways to do that? Possibly. I don't right off know how to do it while still allowing the audience to be a participant in keeping the angels frozen. It's something I give a pass to for the needs of the emotional beat. But if you were really into that "It's not moving because of ME" way of thinking, I can see why it's a disappointment.
The Amy and Rory one is explained in the episode.
The Doctor knows he never meets Amy and Rory again.
There are too many paradoxes in New York to even try to change that.
The Doctor could try and break time apart to see them again but they lives, hes not gonna do that.
He risks time with Clara because she did die young.
The episode Amy and Rory left in explained why the doctor can’t save them. When Amy read the thing about River breaking her hand and the Doctor said you can’t change time if you’ve read it. After the Doctor read the tombstone, he knew he couldn’t save Rory cause he read the tombstone. Therefore just by looking at it he fixed that point in time
Clever. I like that.
... wasnt it because of the interference of the abgels mere presence and activity throwing the TARDIS off? It was extreamly hard for him to land there..
My angels moving theory/head cannon is that we are not actually seeing what's happening.
Amy has her eyes closed so we are visualising from her perspective and she is imagining what their reactions to her stumbles are.
Since she has no clue what they look like when they are not stone, she defaults to imagining them moving as they are in their stone angel form. The angels are also rather slow to react and take a long time to make up their minds, when usually they are rather decisive. There is little to no evidence of the head cannon but it does slot in nicely.
A good way around the doctor being half human in the TV Movie without using an alternate universe card is, The Doctor lies; it's one of the Doctor's rules. It makes sense the doctor could have splurged something random out because someone he couldn't trust with a secret around. Or another way to explain it could be that due to the hospital messing his regeneration up and inputting human blood and stuff made him part human untill he was able to fix it in his TARDIS using equipment or even the zero room or something
(Note I now recall that the doctor somehow has the retina of a human eye so the lie theory may not be valid unless the master was tricked or something)
In Journey's end, the reality bomb is said to destroy every universe, therefore the destruction of the universe is certain as a universe where the bomb goes off would exist.
That's why i hate multiverse destroying threats. If one universecan destroy all others, none could reasonably exist
Regarding "A Good Man Goes to War": they specifically mentioned that Madame Kovarian and her sect were augmenting Melody to become fully Time Lord. The Doctor says being conceived in the vortex simply wouldn't be enough to "make" a Time Lord. Vastra points out "You gave them a hell of a start, and they've been working hard ever since." It isn't a plot hole, I think you just missed this part because it's pretty fast dialogue with a lot going on.
In flesh and stone my head cannon is that the angels moving is basically an animation, like their moving tiny amounts
Speaking of chameleon circuits (3:24) - I've heard a theory, that because of timey-wimey stuff, 13-th Doctor sees TARDIS as blue police box, because, that's what it has looked for her for thousands years before. But for Fugitive Doctor TARDIS is seen as something else.
An alternate explanation could be the canonical living TARDIS / Idris. Perhaps she liked that specific form of a police box.
This was my headcanon as well. A psychic link between the Doctor and their TARDIS, regardless of time.
1:45 I thought it was pretty clear that they moved because the lights were blinking and there were dozens of nanoseconds where they angels were not being watched. Like a flip book or old film reel
Tbh I don't think it was made very clear that the lights were flickering *that* quickly, but yeah that could work as an explanation for the angels moving. Perhaps a throwaway line from the Doctor or River about the lights flickering by the nanosecond would've helped
@@Cosmic_Nite absolutely, it feels like another case of Moffat not going far enough to explain things
With 12s era the whole reason the am I good man arc is because the 12th Doctor in series 8 had a defence mechanism to avoid breaking his own heart like he had so many times in previous incarnations. His coldness and arrogant was him trying to cover his defence mechanism up. At the same time he was also trying to work out whether to still judge his name on the promise of the doctor but by the end of series 8 he realsies he can’t keep living like this by not connecting to people and also works out that he should stop judging himself on the moral of the name of the doctor. Hence the am I idiot speech. This also explains why his personality changes a lot between series 8-9.
My explanation for the weeping angels is that they where so close to the time and space crack that there survival mechanism was forgotten
Thats stupid
Love the idea of the new who masters being younger incarnations than the classic masters, that makes so much sense… definitely my new head cannon
My theory for the Angels is that it's a sort of Fourth-Wall Break. Calling back to the end of Blink and how The Angels actually froze in place when the Cameras (not the characters) in Blink were on an Angel.
The Angels starting to move in Flesh and Stone are indicative of the power they were reaching with their reality warping capabilities feeding off the Byzantium and the Crack in Time combined. (Them overcoming their instincts by rewriting the ability for them to be frozen by the Fourth Wall)
My theory about the Fugitive Doctor's TARDIS is that it took the form of a Police Box due to the proximity with the 13th Doctor's TARDIS, but the episode is crying out for a line of dialogue to justify it
Or bad writing :p
9:10 he had a botched regeneration and lost his fob watch with his memories. Without it he lost his memories and it would make sense if it changed his biochemistry too
RE Amy, Rory and New York - it's because their fate was set in stone literally. It's the same principal pushed throughout the episode where knowledge from the Melody Malone book tells them what is going to happen and once they know then it can't be changed. The grave stone shows that they lived and died in New York and that can't be changed.
RE the Teselecta - it was never the Doctor. It was always the Teselecta. In the end nothing changed. It's a paradox. Rule 1, the Doctor lies. The events by the lake were fixed but the Doctor’s death was never part of it. The family being there, River shooting the Teselecta, whats his name showing up and the boat were what changed when River failed to shoot. Basically he didn't cheat death because things panned out the way always did.
As much as I LOVE the headcanon that Jacobi, Simm and Dhawan are all pre Delgado, it sadly doesn’t work as the Simm Master references Sea Devils and Axons in Last of the Time Lords. I do still like the headcanon over Missy being the last incarnation though.
Maybe the Master read the UNIT files on the Doctor at some point in the year that never was?
@@Cosmic_Nite Sure I guess, but I also just remembered in Power of the Doctor that the Master knew Tegan and Ace, which does mean that at the very least the Dhawan Master is post classic series.
EDIT: OH THE GEARS IN MY HEAD ARE TURNING! So let’s amend this headcanon shall we?
So Jacobi and Simm are pre Classic series and we’ll go with the Master taking a peek at UNIT files to explain the Master knowing about Sea Devils and Axons (the Master never cared about the laws of time as much as the Doctor so it fits the character to occasionally take peeks at his future).
Dhawan meanwhile, is post Classic Who as he does know who Tegan and Ace are. However, the Master is at this point jealous of the Doctor after a lifetime of numerous defeats, which is why his plan in PotD is to take over the Doctors life. Which leads perfectly into Missy’s arc in trying to be more like the Doctor. So the Dhawan Master isn’t just pre Missy, but the incarnation who regenerates into Missy and chronologically the second to last Master overall.
So this amended headcanon goes Jacobi, Simm (who has a peek at his Delgado incarnation), Classic series Masters, Dhawan, Missy.
@@AKG_Range @TardisCoil
A few things I'd personally mention. Roger Delgado's Master was his last regeneration, because in classic, the Crispy Master was his attempts to cling on to life after running out of regenerations, and then he outright steals someone's body to become Anthony Ainsley's Master. So there are quite a few regenerations before Delgado.
Also, the Master wouldn't have needed to look at the UNIT files. Both the Crispy Master *and* Dhawan's Master have broken into the Matrix, where they could have easily gotten information on their other incarnations. (In fact, apparently the audio "Lies" has it that if two incarnations of a Timelord access the Matrix at the same time, they gain access to all other incarnations' memories, which seems relevent here...)
Not only that, but we know for a fact that Jacobi Master ran away from the Time War. If that wasn't the case it would mean that Delgado's Master knew all about it happening and didn't warn his people of what was to happen, which opens up even more plot holes.
8:44 i think he was either joking or lieing because he saids "I'm half human on my mothers side"
The 8th doctor’s statement that he’s half human can be handled by River’s discussion with Amy: the Doctor lies.
He was trying to get his d wet.
About Amy and Rory. Tome, personaly, it's just that... He's capable of going there and maybe somehow getting them out of that time period, maybe even making Amy write the epilogue that way, just for continuity.
But... The theme of the 6 and 7 season regarding Amy and Rory is that they have to choose to live now. They have to end some day or else they risk the chance to actually live a normal great life together, which is much more important than whatever Doctor can give them.
So going back there is just wrong. It's tough for Doctor, and it's tough for them, but not going there and letting life just continue is the right thing to do.
I really lived thinking that the show fully confirmed that Missy is the last master, to now realize that it never happened
One thing that annoys me is in the Flux season we learn that if you are touched by an angel twice you actually die, but Rory was touched twice so he should have been killed, so Amy goes back in time for nothing.
Personally I think the half-human thing can be pretty easily explained as he's either lying if joking for whatever reason, since it's just a throw away line anyway
Capaldi‘s doctor questioning if he’s a good man has to do with the Valeyard. Who essentially was a dark variant of his personality that showed up in old who. (Essentially the origin for the time lord victorious idea .)
The only Concrete clue to the origin was it’s him from one of his final regenerations. (IE: 12 on up at the time now with the new regeneration cycle.)
The eighth, mistaking himself for being half human could’ve easily just been part of his delirium brought on by new regeneration . Because in the movie he nearly completely died due to humans trying to help him mistaking him for human.
Just have a guy like the Toymaker called The Storyteller explain them all away with the words, “Because… writers!”
5:02 This is a common misconception. River is part Time Lord because the Kovorian chapter performed experiments on her as an unborn child, leading to her mother Amy being unable to have children again. It is implied that exposure to the time vortex made their efforts easier, but there is nothing to say that this was a necessary part of the process, meaning that "The Timeless Children" doesn't contradict anything in this episode. The concept of regeneration being gained by the Time Lords through experimentation was first established in the Big Finish audio dramas.
A Good Man Goes to war - Transcript Extract
DOCTOR: It doesn't make sense. You can't just cook yourself a Time Lord.
VASTRA: Of course not. But you gave them one hell of a start, and they've been working very hard ever since.
Asylum of the Daleks - Script Extract
AMY: You want kids. You have always wanted kids, ever since you were a kid - and I can't have them. RORY: ...I know. AMY: Whatever they did to me at Demons Run, I can't ever give you children. I didn't kick you out - I gave you up.
Fun fact the actor who played Rassilon in the matrix flashback sequences in "The Timeless Children" was cast by Mark Corden, the episode's 2nd assistant director, because of his resemblance to Don Warrington who had previously played him in the Big Finish audio dramas.
My theory for the angels moving like that is that they're in a sort of in between state, not in statue form, but not in whatever form they would be in with nobody looking at them. Let's look at the evidence.
10 describes it as "as soon as you look at them they turn to stone" but here, they're just stone anyway. They're also supposed to be "faster than you can believe" which is something we see throughout their appearances... except for here, where they move incredibly slowly all things considered.
If we're to assume they've been tricked by the Doctor's ploy, they may be forcing themselves into a stone state because instinctually that's what they'd do when percieved, leading to something in between actual stone and their normal form. So, the entire time they move in this scene, it's still in that in between state, which is why they're slower and still stone, meaning we never actually see what they would look like in their normal form.
I know its not the main topic of the video but really wanted to say this somewhere. For “Flesh and Stone” i wish they used the scenery to ramp up the tension. There are trees everywhere and I feel they could have had the camera spin around slowly speeding up with trees in the foreground and after every tree the weeping angels get closer and closer to amy as she is trying to get to the walkie talkie thingy until the camera finishes its spin and stops in-front of amy (taking up the whole screen) without us knowing where the weeping angels are and while the music gets very intense amy is then teleported as we see the angels were very close to her. But then again i don’t know what there budget was or the time for the scene.
3:35 The last Doctor had his/her mind erased, and a fob watch rewrote him to be a modern Timelord with 13 lives, then regenerated him to a child, a young William Hartnell. They mention that in the show.
Probably used the same technology the Master used at the end of 13.
The Tardis is alive and liked the police box form, and kept took the form after she stole the Doctor and saved herself from being decommissioned and scrapped. Then she took the form that she likes on earth.
Personally I think the best explanation for him saying that he’s half human is simply, “the doctor lies.” I know I know, it’s not very creative but when you take into account the type of person that the eighth doctor is, this romantic, swashbuckling hero, it’s not that big of a stretch to assume that he might make up this lie to make him appear less alien and more appealing in his mind. Just where I’m at with it.
I always thought that he couldn't get Amy and Rory back because if he did, then Amy could never publish the book.
And since it was written in the book, it was all 'fixed' then or something
I think for the angels moving might be because,
The crack was messing with time and maybe it interfered with the angels quantum lock,
but this doesn't explain how they weren't moving when Amy had her eyes closed, I guess they knew her time wasn't then but after the crack got too close they decided why not? Just sum it up to hallucinations at this point
I don't get why people don't like the weeping angels moving. You didn't invent how they worked, Moffat did. He can add or subtract because he's the author of them. Personally it doesn't matter at all if they can move and look like stone. It might be some sort of defense mechanism, like they're mostly stone but not 100% so they can move (basically indicating anxiety, hesitation, or fear from the angel). It also is probably an evolutionary instinct to become frozen in the presence of people. That explains why they're frozen even when people don't look at them.
Amy is imagining the Angels moving. They aren't actually moving. I haven't seen the episode in a long time
Genetic manipulation of Galifreyans could make them more susceptible to the schism, hence making the Timeless Child concept more plausible if you wanted to make it more canonical
For the Doctor saying he's half human, you can attribute that to the fact that the Doctor lies and it's also quite soon after a regeneration so you can hardly call him a reliable character.
With the fugitive doctor tardis I believe they mention it in a comic not sure, but if the doctors type 40 Tardis is the same tardis then maybe that's why it was also being put away as faulty in a museum because of the missions the doctor would go on then they repaired it back to it's original form but the chameleon circuit was that knackered, but when 1 steals it again it's like a memory thing too
Theory for the 'half-human' bit -- it WAS just post-regeneration and. y'know. he forgor. he might have gotten mixed up, or he might have just been lying
I love the scene where the Weeping Angels move. It's creepy as shit. They're moving because they realize that Amy isn't actually able to see them.
If I had a nickel for every time the TARDIS chameleon circuit broke in 1960s earth, making it look like a police box, I would have 2 nickels! Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
Regarding the angels: The fact remains, no one knows what an angel looks like when it is not being observed; It is assumed that they only look like status when being watched. Therefore, what we saw at the crash of the Byzantium when they moved was the truth of the angels; they always look like status, even when moving. Admittedly, they never should have made that scene. Nonetheless, this scene does answer the question of what they truly look like.
About Torchwood. Why didn't they capture the Third Doctor during his exile?
Here's a few more. How did the Doctor and Clara get out of the Doctor's personal timeline scar thing? The Great Intelligence was shredded. Clara was broken and scattered. Was the Clara that went in the same Clara that came out, or a composite of all the pieces she was broken into? Wouldn't 12 had known he'd meet a Clara fragment at some point in his future, so why be so upset that she dies in "Face the Raven?" Unless... the Doctor is actually an evil villain.
Relieved to see I'm not the only one that despises that scene in Flesh and Stone. I've always felt the Weeping Angels were ruined as a villain from that moment. But I'd never precisely thought about it in terms of the fourth-wall-breaking "we as the viewers are still looking at them, so they can't move". But I think subconsciously that was always what I was thinking.
It's such a shame, as "The Time of Angels" arguably adds one of the cleverest twists to an enemy ever. It takes the one strength the characters have against the Angels (being able to stop them moving by looking at them) and turns it into a terrifying weakness (when you're looking at it, the Angel can essentially infect your mind). It's a clever twist that in itself could have made a far better episode.
In fact, my entire opinion of that double episode is that it would have fit better in a modern-day setting. The Weeping Angels always fit better in modern day, as they have that perfect disguise. Plus the early plot of the episode with the Angel on the screen would have worked so well as a clip of security footage in a modern day setting.
Generally, the two episodes are good, but somehow also manage to make a ton of missteps and simultaneously tarnish the best post-2005 enemy permanently.
U could have the fugitive doctor between 2 and 3 and the timelords just wiped the doctors memory of it all and so on
We know the Tardis is a living being so perhaps it just likes breaking itself to stay in police box form.
For series 6 the fixed point can just be that the teselecter dies and the doctor lays low
i havent watched the 13th doctor, but its been established multiple times the tardis has a will of it's own, itd be funny if it just had a personal preference for looking like a police box itself
About doctor teselecta - i think there's no plothole at all. All we know about this event is what we saw and what other characters said (who also can't know everything), and we didn't see any evidence that doctor in the series 6 beginning was actual doctor and not something that takes his look. Which actually means that there's bootstrap paradox happening, but this is not plothole. All in all, time itself never came out and said "hey, doc must die here for real, not his clone or other shenanigans".
I like to think that fugitives doctors tardis isn’t disguised as a police box it’s disguised as THE Tardis. And the doctor has always been coy with pre Hartnell incarnations like when 12 said the master was his man crush and he was pretty sure he was a man back then too.
They're not moving, it's Amy's imagination or mental image of the Angels
Fugitive doctor could be between 2 and 3 to be fair. Or in future of one of the bigenerated doctors (14 or 15). We've seen the doctor forgets stuff sometimes, so maybe the doctor just forgot the face of 13 during the fugitive doctor face. Or the time lords erased the memories of that time if it was between 2 and 3 like some people think
Angels moving explanation. Usually we look at them through the character's eyes, but that moment, we were looking at them through their own eyes. Easy. Next? Personally, I loved that moment, made me go 'wow!'.
Remembering that they cover their eyes so they can’t look at & freeze each other, does that work?
The doctor only thinks he’s half human he has a throw away line about even thinking he was half human once due to regeneration sickness
The Fugitive Doctor's TARDIS being a police box is fine. The TARDIS is self aware and it was a Clara fragment that directed him back to it so it's less coincidence and more that once reunited, the Tardis returned to its preferred form, even if the Doctor came to entirely the wrong conclusion.
Posible resolutions:
The tardis isn't lmited to things happening in chronological order - the chameleon circuit fault can easily just have a different causality - timey-wimey. :-)
The Doctor's death doesn't have to be the fixed-point - it could have been River's role that was locked & she wasn't able to escape that. Things went nuts while she was avoiding the consequences by avoiding the act.
Doctor who is half-human... well perhaps THAT regeneration was (we know strange things can happen, hand turning into a human, meta-crisis, etc...) OR Rule 1: The Doctor Lies.
Alternatively time-lords resemble humans more than they care to admit, after all they can appear completely human (with the fob watch, etc.)
It's called the writers. It's always the writers; or a wizard. It could be a wizard.
My biggest plothole that bugs me was the in season 1 aliens of London when Rose Tyler is missing for 12 months but the season is still set in 2005 (we know this because of the moment when the 10th doctor is dying and he sees Rose on January the 1st 2005 presumably before she had ever met him) and season 2 is set in 2006. My other one is how the doctor recognises how Clara died even though his memory of her was erased and he even recognises her in twice Upon a Time.
Clara's image was wiped. He still remembers the events. Just not her face and probably personality.
I thought that the weeping sngels were still unsure if Amy could see so remained in stone form just incase she could
It's amazing how much Chibnall truly destroyed much of Doctor Who when he became showrunner.
Tbh the “half human” concept has never really bothered me. It’s not my preferred cannon and it is an unnecessary change, but beyond that IMO it’s doesn’t actually change anything meaningful about the Doctor’s character. As we see with the first Doctor, they weren’t naturally some perfect paragon of morality or a champion of humanity, that was something that developed over time thanks to their adventures, companions, and choices. They could’ve been half human and still become just another Time Lord. So I don’t believe the Doctor being half human inherently makes the Doctor special.
The Timeless Child implies being the Doctor is somehow innate or genetic which I take far more issue with.
Mabey the angels from flesh and stone evolved diffranctly than others
Some people don't know what plot holes are...
I am in love with your Master headcanon.
What if the angles moving was a result of the crack. Imma just pull some random sh!t but imagine the reason the Angels moved was because us as viewers were also immersed into the story too. Similar to how the camera is on them and they don't move when we as an audience see them. But what if we were included in the erasure of time itself when the crack was consuming all life and rewriting time lines. They could sense that nobody was watching them anymore but remained in stone form bc a tiny particle of the universe was still standing enough for the Doctor to reset time. No matter what, the angels still took stone form
Interesting theory about the Master, I'll have to ponder that further!
I've had a similar (although more limited) version of this theory before, where the Master we in T5D is a continuation of the Master we see "burnt to a crisp" in Planet Of Fire. This is a way to explain how he got out of that doom - basically, the Timelords teleported him out before he burned. The Master escapes at the end of T5D, going on to appear in Mark Of The Rani.
I’m sorry to say I just saw this, but I really really appreciate your inclusion of my comment, this video overall, and your larger capaldi video! Your stuff is great and I look forward now to each video!
Does the 8th Doctor’s movie confirm that he’s “half human” in anything but dialogue?
If it’s only stated in dialogue, there’s a simple way to close that plot hole - the Doctor lies.
If it’s more difficult than that, I may have an answer. But it’d have to wait until the absolute final season of the show 😉
one theory is the fugitive doctor is between the 2nd and third doctor
I'm def not perfect on the lore but heres some ideas i have
I think the ruth doctor tardis being a police box could be as those doctors could maybee be taking place between 2nd and 3rd doctors as we never see that regeneration and the time lords involvement with that some memory stuff could make that perhaps make a tiny bit more sense.
I don't recall if the timelords have time travel before encountering the timeless child but if somehow the doctor's regeneration is what lead to acess to the time vortex? I do think 11 not being able to regenerate uhh messes that up beyond repair, rtd is brave to not just instant retcon of it tbh.
with 11 dying i assumed it just had to look like he died, like times not watching him just how its seen but that arc kinda eeeehhhh
I love the masters out of order idea so much but I don't quite get how simms master being an early master quite makes sense besides charicter wise, like the master before him was resurected to be used in the time war so he must have died died once and he must have done crazy things but a more fun puzzle to solve than most of this shows.
My head cannon for the half human thing is the doctor was joking, rule 1 the doctor lied
Ruth's TARDIS : who says its type 40 TARDIS or even the same TARDIS the doctor uses. it could be an earlier model where it's only disguise is a Police Box.
Regenerations : where on the show does it say the timeless child's race were born with regeneration ability. Since The Timeless Child came from another universe. 10 said to Mickey and Rose when they landed in Pete's World they were kicked out of the time vortex. So The Timeless child must have fallen through the time vortex to the main universe we are watching and straight exposer to the time vortex could have giving the regeneration ability to The Timeless Child. which would still allow River's regeneration story to still be true.
My theory is that the chameleon circuit isn't actually broken; the TARDIS just REALLY likes looking like a police box. Maybe when the Doctor's memory was wiped Pre-Hartnell, the Time Lords had a stern word with the TARDIS and it behaved itself for a while before the Doctor landed it in 1963 and it took the opportunity to turn back into a police box and then refused to change back.
I had a similar thought… but I think it’s because the Whittaker doctor is there, so the chameleon circuit is changing because she’s there
Maybe bad writing?
@@gamerboiiiiiii where's the fun in that theory?
I thought the master with the cyberium was the hybrid.
Wouldn't roofs tardis just be a grave tho since its in a grave
4:00 the Tardis is alive and has a conscious, the fault could entirely be oh i like the police box design and im sticking with it, think this was hinted at in the doctor's wife
The doctor is half human. On HIS MOTHER'S side.
Fugitive Doctor should have been after The Second Doctor. And before 3.
Shouldn't every Doctor human pairing a potential hybrid situation? How about just that 8th version of the Doctor is half human, the rest aren't. No classic Who plot holes? There's 3 explanations of Atlantis, 2 versions of the Loch Ness monster, 2 versions of vampires (with NuWho adding more), the Great Key of Rassilon serves different functions in Deadly Assassin & Invasion of Time, all the hints of backstory in Hartnell's era that contradict the Time Lord reveal in War Games.
Doctor Who always has a get out of jail free card, because time can always be rewritten, and when it can't, it can hop into a parallel universe, and when it can't, there's always a Deus ex Machina, and when it can't, the Doctor is God and accidentally created the universe. There's never any consensus as to what type of time-travel the Doctor is using, so the only way to continually watch the show is to ignore what the show tells you to ignore, and remember what the show tells you to remember. Very much an Orwellian nightmare.
Other shows do NOT have the same get out of jail free card, yet their fans and the showrunners behave as if they do.
i think for the half human thing, the 8th doctor was simply trolling and it was all a lie because he was being a silly goober
When it comes to the fugitive doctor's tatdis be9ng a police box. My idea is that the fugitive doctor's tarfis broke and the 1st doctor's didn't actually break. It's just that the same tatfis is trying to make the doctor remember their past lives, which is also why the doctor can't fix it, hecause it's not actually broken.
5:44 my theory is that she was the master after Sasha. Cause it makes sense where she knew where gallifrey was and to told the doctor to get him upset.
She told the truth but not the whole truth of what happened.
Then u got the spy master causing everything and the planet destroyed which was why 12th couldn't find it.
I think this makes sense cause it explains what Saxon master was hateful for the doctor, get to his tardis, return home then find out the truth in the matrix, become the spy master and after his death becomes missy to make sure everything is in place.
Which is why she doesn't remember as much of her own past.
Then makes sense why she changed in the show to be good
8th doctor was joking
Modern Doctor Who is one massive hole....
the doctor being half human to me is more like a joke in the context in the tv movie, i dont think he is stating it as fact but more like a funny joke nodding to him being alien, or else he would have to bring it up in some other time, as well as if he was half human i dont think the time lords would allow for him to go through the time lord academy and become one
Personally, my own head canon is that Missy is actually the Rani (her specialisation in genetics being making her alliance with the cybermen a far more logical choice of ally than the Master). Somehow she has lured Capaldi's Doctor into the Matrix whilst still choosing to keep her true identity hidden for reasons as yet unknown, possibly to get him out of the way whilst the Valeyard is taking his place. As a result, the entirety of the Chibnall era is just a Gallifreyan fever dream and never really happened. It leaves less to unravel than the actual canon as it now stands.
Hasn't every modern master partnered with the Cybermen though?
@@PsyrenXYI was specifically referring to her involvement in Death in Heaven, which always feels like it was written {and cast_ to be the Rani, but they could not get the rights - but no, John Simm had nothing to do with the cybermen until after Michelle Gomez took the role - neither did Delgado or Ainley..
I think the best explanation for Doctor can't meet Rori and Amy that if he would be in New York in that time period (even if he do it without TARDIS nearby, traveling himself from other part of the world for exemple) it would destroy timeline or other bad stuff would happen. Or meeting with them itself can cause paradox like in Father's Day.
Or maybe both:
Worth noting that in Return of Doctor Misterio, Doctor was in 1992 New York. Idk exactly how old were Amy and Rory but if take about even 30 Amy should be still alive by this point. Google tells me age is 23 but it sounds for me too far from real because they traveled with Doctor a lot and even discussed that they noticeably older than their friends. So they should be several years older but idk.
So in Doctor Misterio, Doctor tried to kinda fix that time mess after Angels Take Manhattan (probably because it's his last full memory because of Clara erase). And that was Christmas Eve of 1992 in New York. He could probably meet Amy or even Rory too. But he didn't (and they also could travel to idk London to meet Doctor).
So this time mess can have either location either personal limitation. Loose-loose situation.
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Oooor Doctor checked at what year Amy actually died and traveled a little later from this date to fix stuff. Who knows.
Fugitive Tardis could be fixed so easily I can't believe they didn't it. Just make episode happen in the 60's, not nowadays. Common.
Death of the Doctor in The Wedding. Tough one but I'll try.
1) The whole masquerade could be that point. That's why after it he erase all information about him in the universe. But still "what".
2) Later he violates his timeline. First in the Name of the Doctor. He had to turn off some TARDIS settings because by any rules he mustn't travel there. And we don't know much about Time of the Doctor. Was it supposed to be his final point before the intervention of the Timelords with a new cycle? Or is it still going to happen in the future? All those breaking points could influence each other I believe.
3) Maybe he really cheated and then got Trenzalore as consequence of time healing itself (and cause of cheat his death this time got worse - big damn war). But again - intervention of the Timelords. Like Doctor mentioned Timelords had a big control over timeline (I can't remember but maybe even in this exactly episode lol) and could beat all the shit out of time so the Doctor could live on.
I think the fugitive doctor’s tardis is a different tardis than the main doctor’s tardis
The 8th doctor could have been joking tbf
The Doctor being half-human is actually a significant part of the movie's lore, and is mentioned by other characters like the Master
Gallifreyans are spectacularly humanoid. Even their racial variations are the exact same as humans. The two heart thing not withstanding (which could have been a Time Lord bio engineering improvement), Gallifreyans and humans have to be related in some profound way. So its no big thing for the Doctor be half human on his mother's side. Maybe she's much closer to whatever Great Split between Earth and Gallifrey so far back in Gallifrey's pre-history.
Eh, there are countless species in the Doctor Who universe that look identical to humans aswell
Wow the guy coming up with the reason for the fugitive doctor’s tardis sure sounded smug for someone saying the dumbest and most contrived explanation I’ve ever heard
omg im officially based😳 also i’ve never heard the headcannon of classic masters coming after simm but thats such an interesting idea i love it
season 6b theory for fugitive doctor
The hybride is river song