@@Cheka__z Imagine portal 3 in VR. Being allowed to make tiny portals to stick your hands into. They need to make a Portal game in vein of Titan fall 2 and Dying Light movement. Since TF was based on source and I think old school bunny hopping which was amazing back in the early days of Counter Strike. Anyway do that and then use the mechanics of the movie Jumper. How they could use momentum of their jumps and drag things through as weapons. Have Titans in it just because fuck yeah - Titanfall was the only game to ever give me the feeling of scale when I got into one. So teleportation as a Pilot - climbing, able to gain speed and sliding of Dying Light 2 with the portal mechanics of Jumper. With the Titans and gadgets of TF2 and Half Life. (Also fighting aliens both small and large. Should be some Kaiju in there.) That game would fucking rock. If only I was a billionaire.
Why is my browser suddenly full of S400 ads? Why am I getting S400 ads in the mail? Why is there a plane with a “buy S400” banner behind it over my house? Why are the doors under the plane opening?
That may stop an autonomous-UGV-gone-bad, but if the enemy hacks a remotely-controlled UGV, they can probably hack or jam any signal to set off such a charge/fail-safe.
I think these would be great in combinations. Say you have a pointman for each platoon as one of the 20mm variants. You wouldn't need to put a tonne of armour on it, because you could protect it from small arms fire by putting heavy packs on them. This would allow the soldier to wear heavier armour if needed, or take a load off the back with the kit. Then behind the point vehicle you have Alpha section, then behind them, you have a equipment carrier with the remainder of the packs, and possibly a few hundred 20mm rounds extra. Each section would have one of these behind them except for poor old Arse End Arnold. He can have one of the weaponized ones at the back, be put on a seat facing backwards behind the gun using it either manually or with the remote in darker situations. Also, one or two of the ones that were raised up on the edges above the wheels which looked like seats. You could use these in friendlier areas to carry around troops to the front area, and possibly put a small mortar or something on one with ammo on the other, or leave it somewhat empty, or at least easily unloaded and carried, and use the flat bed ones with the seats over the wheels as a stretcher bearer for wounded. These could be driven remotely back to either a landing area away from the direct front, but not too far away. These could then have the medic help load the injury, and also be resupplied with ammo/food/water/equipment and then return to the main platoon. The good thing about this whole idea, is that your points on the platoon have great firepower that your regular infantryman can't carry without being stuck inside a combat suit or something, and that between the point and Arsey Arnold, you are well covered indeed. Troops would be less exhausted from hauling stupid levels of kit, medevac's won't have to come in unless it is a critical hot dustoff, and troops can be resupplied without having to drop it out over an area, and hope that no damned wind devil or something picks up the chute of the pallet, and take it off course and into the enemy's hands. Nope, I totally approve of these!
Just imagine an AI controlled version of a weapon system like this... in the hands of an American "ally" like Sadam... set loose in a Kurdish village. Or a Chinese version, set loose in Hong Kong. If something horrible can happen, eventually it will.
Caseless ammo for an auto loader is a dead end unless you use heat sinks or water cool it, as ejecting brass serves a vital role in extracting heat from the system.
I've never come across anything showing this to be true and it doesn't make sense that it would be.Think about it, the case is where combustion happens; it probably spends more time in contact with hot gasses than anything else. If anything, the barrel is sinking heat from the case. Even if it were true, it's clearly an addressable issue, as evidenced by the G11. It was actually adopted by the German army, but when they sent the purchase request to the Bundestag the response was something like "the soviet union just fell and now we have to rebuild east Germany; we can't afford this!" and it was unadopted with only production prototypes procured.
@@МужикТаджик-я3с No it can not, you can burn caselss ammo in the oven if u wanted to, cant do that with conventional. Do research on HK G11 if u want more info. Also Voers i think has/had a caseless ammo hunting rifle in the sortiment.
I think they added explosive material inside the shed, but, he was showing later in the video (@ 3:54 ) a demonstration, which was showing a PD-D or "Point Detonating Delay" round. It could have been that as well in combination. I agree, the explosion was far too massive for just that one round, I think. However, I'm not familiar with how far explosives have come when you have the nearly bottom-less research budget of DARPA backing your weapons development.
@@Veldtian1 looks just like expanding propane. I like the idea of thermobaric rounds though. New year's fireworks would reach a new level. We'd need to ask Russians - their shit is smaller and pops better
10 seconds into the video and I already see what looks to be a K&N oiled cotton air filter and some Warn 9790 manual hubs. Glad to see the industry taking this push towards off the shelf components seriously. I'm sure it'll be a great vid, thx Mat.
*VIDEO INDEX* 1:11 Crow System, manual & automated 50cal 2:16 New idea, ATV with new weaponry 3:22 Automated ATV, for infantry support 3:53 Potential 50cal embedded in PLT or Company 5:06 COD Vehicles uses on tactical overwatch 5:34 Technicality’s and good points 6:26 More technicality’s and positives
Loved the two tracks and a platform, that would just be so useful, carrying kit for mountain rescue, forest fire fighters the list is endless, unfortunately without the military showing interest these things would never be built, and so have a chance to filter down to the civilian market, would love one!.
I DONT KNOW about that!!! Because there will also be so much Electronic Warfare Offense AND Defense that the Human Brain WONT be able to COPE with it. I think its gonna be Whoever Sees Who First and Pushes The Button first
Like he says there are Weapon Systems that can AND WILL wipe out whole Squads and more at the Push Of A Button. For example, I dont see how Our Marines could successfully conduct landings on the ChiCom "islands" with any kind of a High Chance Of Survival these days.
I was thinking that same thing.. jamming the communication between the auto -bots and the drones, with EM white noise will disrupt the "Push the Button" signal. Unless they are mad enough to use 100% autonomous AI in the drones/robouts... that is a totally different challenge.🤔😵😨💀☠
casey b Nah, LI-ON batteries are probably more of a liability. Lithium Cermaic Batteries are far better suit for this since they can be perforated and even cut and they will only lose power for a split second before operating as normal. Plus, Lithium battery do not explode, they start spraying fire, which might burn a dude who gets too close but not very likely to cause major or fatal injuries like a proper explosive would.
@Matsimus At 4:19 some text comes up that says "This was the chain gun system on my warrior in Afghanistan. They were not great." I assume you were talking about the MK52. Could you please elaborate as to why "They were not great." I'd love to hear more, since you had first hand experience using the system in the field. Thanks
"Magical" weapons that can kill on a massive scale. The awe I got when I was into military anime. Light infantry/airborne/marines will benefit the most by these semi/fully automated systems.
The World is turning into Hell just as the Bible prophecised.. Try fighting a totalitarian government just sending its Locusts(Drones) after you. There is No way to fight them
Here's an idea that I'm just going to throw it out here: How about having a person with a laser attatchment under their rifle to point at whatever target the person want's the robot to open fire on? And much like how if a attack helicopter pilot looks at a direction, the cannon spins with his head, you could just do that but with a person within a squad.This could easily just be a special attatchment for the squad commander, and wherever he decides needs 30 mm fire, he just points the gun at that place, pull a "trigger" biult in to the attatchment, and the robot is going to do exactly that. Plus this could also be used as a way of telling the robot where to go to, so if the commander wants it to go to any location, he can just point his gun at it and the robot will go. What do you guys think?
Well, you don't "need" a laser since a laser gives away your position. Use a helmet-mounted Apache sight that allows a dismounted infantry to guide a mounted gun. It's a solution suggested in an article in Modern War Institute. Let me find a link. mwi.usma.edu/three-warhacks-urban-combat/
@@VT-mw2zb Depends on the frequency of light the laser is. Most, including military laser range finders on things like the Abrams don't use visible spectrum light but infrared, I'm not sure what frequency the combat laser being tested by the US Navy is but I know it's not visible light. Now the Israelis have developed a laser reactive web for their AFVs that will detect ever IR lasers and immediately pop hot smoke between the vehicle and source of the laser. Initially these RC-ATVs are relying on radio frequency transmissions for control, this might become problematic in high EW environments. Even if linked to an operators HUD instead on a control board it requires RF communications working. Semi-autonomous RC-ATVs that scan their environment are in the works. These would receive RF command prompts, such as fire on or move to, followed by then having to search for a designated target and then either fire on or move is doable but much more complex, more complexity more points of failure. It would also have to scan rough terrain and plot it's own best route to get to a designated move to location, I'm not sure the technology is up to that yet. Al 50 states of the USA use the same standardized signage and road markings for the most part and self driving cars are still make mistakes that would put soldiers survivability at greater risk. Of course eventually these will be able to do all that, as well as obey voice and sign language commands.
One of the problems which I see when you fit auto canons like we see in this video. Is that that have to be manually reloaded, lifting the ammo from the ground to the hopper where they to be before using. 25 mm or 35 mm isn't exactly light, and many rounds can you fit in the hopper. Compared to what you fit into an IFV.
We're going back to the thought process of horses and Calvary. You've got a mobile support small weapon chassis that stays with the troops.Made sense then still does now.
The small is important. It has to be cheap for its power because of infantry anti-vehicle weapons. If even one vehicle survives, it'll basically let you wipe the floor with the enemy. So the question becomes how much money are you willing to spend on winning a skirmish or battle and is that skirmish or battle important enough to bother paying to win.
I think we are walking the same trend as tank development during the interwar period (WWI-WWII). Although everything is light skinned right now, they will get more protected and more lethal as soon as they are placed against one another during another war.
Thomas Zhang I fully agree with you. Lacking significant conflict, everything now is in a somewhat conceptual and experimental phase, usually overengineered too. In case of an actual major, non-nuclear conflict lasting a couple of years, practicality will mature these systems.
@@onetwo5155 I feel like the possibility of a non-nuclear war these days is highly unlikely. Although I'd much rather we do have a non-nuclear conventional war than a nuclear one.
@@collinb.8542 I think that no one is suicidal enough to use nukes, you would have to put a dictator in a germany 1945 situation before they would use nukes (due to mutual destruction, no democratic government will ever be the first launchers and dictators will only use it when their deaths are practically guaranteed anyway) additionally anti-ICBM tech is getting ever increasingly better, while atleast officially there seem to be a lack of counterpart measures in development (no doubt its happening behind closed doors), but in arms races the offensive tech almost always outmatches the defensive tech.
Thats the answer to the age old AD requirement. I did 33 yrs of AD/ ManPADS / ADATS / Counter Bty Rdr.etc All required being exposed and/or a SEAD tgt. That system looks capable.
In my mind, the way to use this technology to get the most bang for your buck is aquatically. A small submerged unmanned drone that could travel above or on ocean floors (blending in with the aquatic life), entering hostile waters and sneaking around until it’s in position underneath known hostile naval vessels, would be in a prime position to deploy a volley of smaller drones equipped with explosives and sink a ship without the enemy knowing how their ship was destroyed or who did it
As a Veteran, and former assualt swimmer, yes, indeed I have seen much of the ocean floor, but my comment, should I now Need to unpack the explaination, is regarding the over emphasis on spending for Air and Sea, that has lead the work to neglect its land Forces development, this is a common problem from Vietnam to the US to Europe, tell me how you would utilise a navy in Napal or central Europe? Everything else is in Support of Infantry my friends, for example, look historically at when tanks are not deployed with an infantry Screen, i Addition you can not land your fancy aircraft or dock and resupply your ships without capturing a port or land, in Addition capturing or policing regions of sea, can not be done without ground Support, so in short, combined arms doctrine.
Sorry if you are getting tired of my comments to your older videos, but I only discovered your channel recently and you cover such an interesting range of military equipment that I just can't help myself. I can really appreciate the utility of very small and compact remote operated infantry companion vehicles. Many years ago I played a round of golf at a course that was testing out one of the earliest examples of a small electric club caddy just big enough to carry your golf clubs while you walked the course. A small box that controlled the club caddy went on your belt. The caddy automatically followed the golfer at a fixed distance from the box and thus the golfer. When you wanted a club, you pressed a button on top of the box that told the caddy to hold still. There was a bit of a learning curve to remember to press the "stay" button when getting a club else the cart just backed away trying to keep the set "following" distance, and to keep the cart from following you onto the green. So I can imagine the utility of even just having an electric "mule" that can carrying a units equipment and extra ammo so that the soldiers don't have to hump the 50+ lbs of equipment and ammo that soldiers often have to carry if they are operating independently of armor. Thanks for all the work you do!
Oh, and one more thing, what about getting something to increase the mobility of the soldiers themselves. In addition to the types of small remote controlled weapons carriers you reviewed in this video, rugged all-terrain vehicles like the EZ Raider (th-cam.com/video/p6kU9ibc7d0/w-d-xo.html) would allow soldiers to use very compact stand-on electric ATV to travel rapidly (45 kph) and over long distances (75 km) with very little noise. Also this vehicle system includes a trailer that contains its own battery pack and wheel motors on its two wheels that turns this combined vehicle and trailer into a 6x6 and increases rather than decreases the range. The trailer can carry up to 250 kg (more than a quarter of a ton!). One potential to give infantry heavy firepower is to make custom trailers that would connect to the base ATV that can act as weapons platforms. For example a. ATGM system like the Stugna-P could have the base integrated into the trailer so that a team using this platform could rapidly transit to a location that would let them target an armored vehicle. The trailer is placed in the firing position with little set up other than lowering some struts to brace the platform to give it added stability. It could even be left attached to the ATV with the handlebars lowered to reduce visibility. Then when the missile has been fired and impacts, the legs on the trailer are flipped up and the unit beats feet before the neighborhood starts getting noisy. Other vehicles and trailers in the unit could have racks for carrying additional missiles. Another would be to create a trailer for a 40mm grenade launcher with its own GPS and a fire control computer that can take the GPS coordinates adjusts the launcher to put rounds onto that location. And just one more, and it might seem strange, but a trailer for a tethered drone. Tethered drones use a cable to draw power from a ground power supply and to send and receive data. Thus no radio transmissions associated and so nothing to give away your presence and location and the drone can not be caused to crash by blasting it with radio noise to drown out its command signals. Ones are available and can operate up to 100m. So think of it as the land equivalent of a periscope that allows soldiers to pop up an eye in the sky 300 feet above the trees and terrain to scan for targets and/or enemy location and numbers. The drone can be fitted with an IR camera, a laser range finder and even a laser designator to allow artillery and mortars with laser seeking guidance kits to achieve less than 1m CEP.
@@ThePathStrider that's actually extremely smart . Because thermite can't light easily so it won't just light when some small caliber round hits it and it can have reliable lighting system . But your point is most important it won't kill someone standing close to it like c4 explosion would .
IMO the ATV would be usable in a defensive purposes, but I really think most infantry units would find it to be a liability in combat. These kinds of ground drones would be really great for ambush situations and tactical defense. Somewhere in the back of my mind tho it feels like they are already outdated..
Aggemam Manden - agree , an atv makes it easier - enemy knows where you are ; so they get to decide when and where . That’s been the USA strategy since vietnam - send young men into ambushes .
Agree. I guess an acid test is looking at infantry operations in Afghanistan and how a drone could help. Security and patrolling around a defensive position could be a good use and protect troops against attacks or IEDs. I'm less convinced for other operations, ie an IFV can deploy troops and provide fire support. Adding drones would seem to require a way to transport, deploy and provide logistics to the drones. So adding a drone carrier to a platoons inventory that can carry ammunition, spares and provide recharging. From the size, it might mean 1 or 2 drones per transport max. I think it'd be the same challenge with air transporting infantry + drone(s) and the tradeoff between transporting troops, or drones.
would also depend on who your fighting . the drone still sends and receives data , be it in burst or constant transmission , meaning the other side can track and record or possibly even take control of the drone which would be the worse case , so sure they might have a role but picking when to use them would be the key
I thought the discussion was supplementing the fire power of IFVs with smaller cheaper imbedded drones. Cheaper, quieter and locally controlled fire support.
agreed, mobility is a huge issue i would think, especially at the squad / platoon lvl. in theory this sounds cool, however i think you are correct in that they would be a liability in anything but a defensive role. not to mention conventional warefare is becoming a thing of the past
Not only are these new platforms a help to units in the field but the 25 mm rounds that are being developed are what I have been looking at. The rounds are computerized rounds that can be "changed on the fly" after being fired is astounding. It increases the lethality against any target. I am sure the same is happening in larger calibers too.
I've always liked the notion of a spigot mortar firing smart rounds. Cost of the munitions needs to be reduced, but if that can be accomplished it would offer a lot of advantages. Most importantly is that spigot mortars can operate very quietly as their combustion products can be contained (the Fly-K comes to mind - see link). Secondly is simply that the number of rounds required could be reduced considerably. Anyhow, this seems like something that could pair nicely with such ATVs (and fits the theme of larger munitions accompanying the infantry). Although the very simple nature of a smart spigot launcher does also open up the possibility of placing individual rounds around the battlefield to be called in as needed. An ATV could help transport those as well. www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/detail_1436.php
What about UAV’s with theses weapons for close air support. Like a smaller C37 spooky, air burst rounds raining down on enemy troops dug into position. Delayed detonated going into compounds. Could be devastating with out the air crew being put in danger.
@@joryferrell7244its easy and cheap to shoot down those large drones, and they cost more and have less battlefield time than ground drones. air drones should stick to recon and long-range missiles.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Again, they don't have to easy to shoot down. You can have them equipped with jet engines in addition to rocket engines. When they sense SAM's locked into them, they can use the rockets to get a burst of speed out of the enemies territory. In the end, if you have a massive squadron of these fly alongside human pilots, the enemies would have to choose to kill the drones or attempt to kill the pilots. It would help spread out the enemies resources and thereby increase survivability of ground troops and pilots. IDK...we are both armchair generals, but I feel that ground attack drones still have a possible role in modern conventional warfare...at least in areas that we mostly control and simply need to mop up resistance in.
10:55 I used to work at ATK and these are awesome. For some reason they were pretty adamant that I could not get one for my yearly bonus. I still think they were just being unreasonable.
Well, there is a lot of talk about major power "competition" at the moment; which is true; but it is also true, that conflicts like Afghanistan or Iraq: They are not just going to resolve themselves. The other application is on supply trucks. They are liable to be hit by ambushes and aircraft. Today a supply truck is reasonably protected (STANAG level 2) which means the kids on the street are not going to take them out by throwing stones. These trucks still need some sort of arms to make life for unwashed hordes uncomfortable and remote weapons stations are a thing that springs to mind. The other threat is helicopters and aircraft - it is not amusing for such an attacker to be sprayed by a troop of lorries spewing 7.62 mm, they won't hit anything; but the pilot needs some sort of consolation. Don't underestimate the effect of anti aircraft artillery - I've looked into Pearl Harbor: The japanese actually had 20% losses from the AAA on the ships. Later on it was about 30%. The problem with that was, that they also exposed the gunners so some sort of protection would be in order. The best protection from being hit by a bullit is NOT being around when it hits. So remote weapons stations are something we will see.
To a degree. The more options you have in a military means more logistical operations to support the varied equipment. Thats why most militaries push for uniformity in equipment when possible.
That is the exact reasoning behind the 2nd amendment and also the logic behind the NRA's existence. Human nature can be quite f*cked up and it is incumbent upon us to protect our families at a time when murders are going up and police funding is going down. So yeah.....options are good, before it's too late!
I'm literally debating the merits of a single fire 25mm AMR on Forgotten Weapons IG, lol. They keep arguing there's no need for it. This video is about to end some armchair general's career. Thanks for the support!
Matt, as usual enjoyed the video. And I do feel that the utilization of this type of technology is not a bad idea, but It got me thinking about the use of this concept for humanitarian applications.
I have one advice for you if you're ever gonna be part of the "boots on the ground" or whatever branch you may be in. Don't let fear take over you, and do not lose focus. Face your fears. It's okay to be afraid, it reminds you that you're human and that you need to fight to stay alive. If you let fear take over you, you hesitate, if you hesitate, you lose focus. If you lose focus, you die. Don't join the armed forces because you think "it's cool" or "you'll look cool". If that's your mindset, better not joining at all. Join because you want to serve and protect your people. Joining for the sake of being cool is being stupid and is basically pointless. Join because you love your people. Because that's the reason that will basically help to keep you alive or stay longer in the fight. If you joined just to be cool, then when it comes to the REAL fight, you're gonna turn out to be nothing but a coward. Trust me, I've seen a lot of these kinds of people come and go. A lot of them didnt even make it back their first tour. Being a soldier is about dedication, love, loyalty and sacrifice. Not being cool.
I think it’s a great idea. I wonder if they can be programmed to secure certain areas like a grid pattern and motion detection. A squad of Hi Tech ballistic Sentry’s. To be able to input the coordinates to a location and send it off ahead.
I’m an engineer and I wrote a mech story 10 years ago. As it unfolded it felt like the robots worked ahead of soldiers. About donkey size, with twin flank guns or an underslung cannon. Most sci-fi is thinking the same sort of stuff. But for this decade: Argocat size wheeled vehicle, diesel hybrid, decent gun and room for some soldiers kit.
These very small heavily armed vehicles offer some of the same advantages that hypothetical powered exoskeletons would. The weapon is small, close to man-sized, and can fit in most places men can, but it can carry a much heavier weapon with a substantial stock of ammunition which makes it a much greater threat compared to it's size and cost. One disadvantage is that remote control is no substitute for being there in person, and one advantage is that since these vehicles are uncrewed they can be expended in lieu of human lives. A point both for and against them is that as such a high threat piece of kit, they will both frighten enemies more and probably draw heavier fire from enemies as well. They may put soldiers at greater risk of being shot at with anti-vehicle weapons, but knowing that a piece of war equipment has a psychological effect on the enemy can let you use it in such a way that you can manipulate your enemy into being predictable.
Keeping these vehicles and weapons working would be a nightmare. It’s pretty basic to lug around a .50cal with a tripod, you have ammo and a few extra barrels, after you screw the barrels in she is ready to shoot. Probably couldn’t say that with these other weapons or vehicles being presented.
Keeping the person carrying a 50 cal working isn't easy either. That and the 50 cal operator is a primary target. I'd prefer to have an ATV as a target than the crew operating the 50 cal.
Lugging a M2 around is far from basic. The gun alone is nearly 90 lbs. Can of ammo is 50 lbs. Tripod is 30 lbs. Barrel changes are not as easy as a change out on a M240B or M249. The M2 is not auto head spacing like the other 2 are. If head spacing is off you and the weapon system is going to have a bad day.
I would love to see these sooner rather than later, I think it’s long overdue. Think of a lite platoon with one of these in support! Especially for an airborne or air assault organization! In defense, someone would have to bring up a antitank weapon system, or a tank to overcome their position! With a little time to dig in, that’s a tough nut to crack at a key piece of terrain!
So long as you leave the operator inside the kill chain/engagement process, your drone becomes vulnerable; by disrupting it ability to check with a human before green lighting and engaging, it can be effectively stopped from engaging so long as it cant communicate with a person. If the drone were programed to make up it's own mind about who and who not to kill, it could take advantage of all the time squandered in communicating
@@adamleddy9894 The UGV Black knight. It was proposed by BAE to the US and now is in trials and is used as a proof of concept for future UGV's, and not to be confused with the Challenger 2 tank project done by the same company.
look at tank development up to 1935 and youll see we're there with autonomous vehicles, nobody quite knows the right way to apply a technology which pretty much everyone agreess is a good idea. ...Just fill a b-21 with more 6 extra pilots... USAF will have it figured out first, because they will see the greatest performance benefit.
I saw below where someone said they have to be manually reloaded. I'd be willing to venture that they could use the ATV internal space with straight-line linking or feeds that would allow them to hold massive amounts that wouldn't be needing to be reloaded, we have the tech, it just needs to be applied. I would also say that armor on these is very possible with the kevlar stranding tech as well, they can literally fortify these to be mini tanks without all the weight. They won't tell you of course but we have the technology to do so many things, and these bad boys to me are a great addition to any company or patrol in places normal vehicles would ever even be able to get to. I live and ride motorcycles and ATVs all the time, and there's very little in places we can't go, it's all in the person riding and their confidence level. We've taken our ATVs where I'm sure no one has stood for over 100 years if ever! I love the whole idea and to me it would save tons of troop's lives, just think, one-shot taking out a 10-foot radius with one bullet, that's an amazing achievement and it can be put on a 4 or 6 wheeler ATV. Absolutely amazing to me! One other thing I might add is you can roll these ATVs into a little gully or dip in the dirt and they would be just as hard to hit as any person in a trench, you'd be amazed to see what is possible with these items, I'm just loving the whole idea and then some. :)
looking at the price, autonomous toyota swarms may be the future, they can even get you to the battlefield before doing an unmanned "suicide" run into the enemie's position
I was 11B with the 101st and I can tell you,,, yes bring all you can to the battlefield, I dont care if it is a robot or Sarah Conner. The very thought that we have some kind of support other than getting your ass as close to the ground as possible is a huge moral booster. That is most of the soldiers mental attitude to proceed and be a confident fighter.
If you don't need room for soldiers inside you can have a much lower hull profile, which should help make them less vulnerable to anti-tank weapons. I also think this would work better with caseless ammunition and linkless feed systems so there's no residue to be cleaned up later. PS: I really like those airless tires on the 6-wheel ATV.
Yeah Man. Best way to get the weekend over with. Would be great to see some insigts on battle, tactics, strategies as well. Cheers Matsimus and hope TH-cam isn't ruining the channel too much.
One thing this device can really help infantry is to give them early warning during nightwatch and night patrol. You can sleep better knowing that your sentry guns with it's thermal and night vision optic will detect anyone trying to creep on you. Still need one or two guys watching the machine though but it still make their life a bit easier. With a thicker frontal armor plate, which is totally feasible because this thing don't need room for human crews, it can take points in urban warfare. With a periscope, it can poke above covers and provides information. And just by adding a few hooks, it can carry a few rucksack for the poor grunts. The possibility is truly only limited by the imagination.
An ATV, with a big gun, could be mounted in front, above, or even mounted behind (looking over) an APC. When the “battle bus” drops off it’s cargo, why not drop of the gun platform? After all it’s the war fighters that require it once the bus has made it as far forward as it’s going to go. Each squad could have its own ATV platform, kitted out for their mission, overwatch, tactical dispersal, even resupply and wounded evac. Cheaper buses with a wireless link to its gun, fewer crew in harms way, and loose a bus or a gun the system is modular replacement is less expensive in material terms. Also, upgrade one, doesn’t mean you have to haul in the whole fleet. Just a thought.
и да и нет... Как только такое оружие станет массовым. Твоя жизнь уже не будет стоит ни копейки тогда. Потому что там будет давать команду убить тебя тот человек, который не увидет как тебя разорвёт снарядом. Он не услышить твои крики, не увидет твою кровь. Ты для будешь просто мишень и ни чего человекческого. Твоя жизнь, потеряет малейшую ценность. Так как ценить жизнь одного человека, может лишь человек, который способен сам чувствовать эту боль.
I'd like to know... 1- Can it cross a ditch with mud/water/sewage in it? 2- Can it navigate a wadi/ravine filled with boulders? If so, can it do it fast enough to keep up with infantry? 3- Can it clear jams itself or does it need a human? 4- Can its power source (electric, gas, diesel, other) last for a day-long patrol? What if it was needed for 48 hours? Cool idea, these are just a few of the hurdles I can think of.
Nobody ever thinks what the systems will do to themselves only what it'll do to the enemy. I was glad to hear you bringing that to light in the beginning about these weapons potentially taking ones life.
Probably the same stuff, Automated Lethal Systems are in a bit of a legislative quagmire at present and we'll have to see if they wind up becoming illegal or not.
Oh look The mainstream military complex is finally getting what the Iraqi's have been doing with the "technical" ( mounting heavy weapons on the back of 4x4 trucks) during the Russian annexation
@@hansenkreuz8890 I know this, I'm simply saying the American Military machine is finally catching up to what other countries have been doing for years
@@alphariusomegon4442 it's not catching up more than just adapting. There were many types of technicals in WW2 up to the gulf war. The half track was the combination of off road mobility with the simplicity of a truck chassis. Even during the gulf SOF used dune buggies with .50 cal HMGs and grenade launchers which is basically a truck adapted for deserts. The humvee became the technical for the US when it was only supposed to be a utility vehicle. NATO doctrine was more focused on stopping Soviet armored assaults so the equipment reflected that. Technicals in the form of Humvees, G-wagons, and Land Rovers with ATGMs and recoilless rifles existed for ambushes and shoot and scoot tactics.
These things are game changers. They can fire rounds with recoil that will shatter human shoulders and are accurate to distances that even snipers can't reach. The optics and computers will also be able to see opposing forces and instantly make all adjustments for wind, air pressure, etc and land those shots on target. I wonder what role humans will have in all of this. They will change ground combat as much as breach loading rifles and modern bullets did about 150 years ago. Those new guns meant that standing in rows was obsolete because it no longer required over a minute to load each shot. The muzzle loading rifles where gunpowder and bullets were loaded separately were used prior to that because machining of weapons wasn't advanced, accurate or consistent enough to make muzzle loading, then bolt action rifles possible.
Just how many different types of military equipment use the name *Bushmaster* ? It's like *M-1* They really should get a system like Actors equity…"sorry, that names taken".
@@ericolsen5592 There's the Australian *Bushmaster* Protected Mobility Vehicle. Built by Thales, _it's not a gun._ Actually has a interesting background story, built in 1997 and based on old South African police vehicles that were designed to survive ANC bombs it just happened to be perfect for coping with IED's in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Australian army lucked out having the right vehicle at the right time. They offered it to the US (who were losing Humvees constantly back then), who took a couple to test, but decided not to adopt. They of course then developed their own vehicle based on the same concept, but being Americans made it much bigger and heavier and thirstier - the MRAP.
Economics eventually enters the battlefield. When the enemy can destroy Billions of dollars of equipment with relatively cheap soldiers, then we will not be able to pay for it. How are we going to pay for these expensive unproven weapons?
@@jamesj4827 I wouldn't necessarily say that. These remote weapon systems are a lot harder to use effectively compared to crew-served ones. Yes, the CROW system is amazing, but it sure is a lot harder to hit a moving target with it. Less precise firepower = less defensive firepower = easier to take out
Amen! Couldn't agree more regarding development of these ATVs! If a modular system could be developed that would allow a maximum amount of versatility so that with the chassis being able to have different options for use that could quickly changed in the field. For example, removal of gun leaving a flat pad for carrying the wounded out of a hot zone, adding a 7.62 and a anti-armour module, a recon specific module with a variety of sensors and cameras , a laser module for guiding in air resources and artillery guidance, or even an anti-aircraft module for over watch......a 50 cal sniper module....the list goes on. All of these features can be achieved reducing the exposure of personal and would other units to share their camera footage to each other thus improving overall situation awareness for the whole command. Just as drones have done in the air these could revolutionize ground operations.
The thing is that light tanks ceased to have a role on the battlefield because in practice, a tank had to be heavily enough armored that they could resist all light arms and they had to be heavily enough armed to take out any other vehicle. Weapons platforms that couldn't resist small arms fire were just targets. Weapon platforms that couldn't fight opposing weapon platforms were futile. I simply don't see these weapons yet filling into a light fire support role because the platforms I'm seeing are vulnerable to small arms fire. I can see these having a battlefield role only if they can reasonably repulse light arms and act as both a mobile mantlet for infantry advancing in open ground, and as additional fire support. In fact, I'd be reasonably convinced that the roles of pack animal and mobile mantlet are perhaps more valuable than added fire support.
Full disclosure: I did not read all the comments. Therefore, mine may have already been stated in one form or another. Still, here are my thoughts on the subject. I do believe (I tend to use the generic term of 'mule' for these small support platforms.) that the newer and future mules can be equipped with medium caliber weapons (20mm cannon to around 40mm or even 50mm soft recoil weapons). Firing HE and the other conventional rounds already available for most of them. I do think some of the new thoughts on rounds would also have some advantages. Overhead detonation, deep penetration, grenades, mines, WP, and a few others. Additional rounds does complicate matters somewhat. Which ones should be carried and how many? Should they be in the feed system (linked or guides) or carried as individual rounds or 5-round strings? Unless on a special mission where it is know specific threats will be encountered having much specialty ammunition will take away from general purpose rounds, and if single loaded and fired, will put a soldier at the platform. This brings me to the statement in the video about the platforms not needing any crew. I do not think this will be the case. Not for a long time, anyway. Once AI becomes advanced enough (if ever) to do the job, then application of the enormous force multiplier these armed mules could be voice controlled by the squad or platoon commander. Otherwise, while the mules can effectively follow troops and even take point on a preprogrammed course or a somewhat limited autonomous course that AI can probably do now with appropriate tactical learning. Right now, someone would have to be in control of the machine to make sure it is where the commander wants it. And someone has to verify aiming, give the fire command (based on ROE), at some point reload with ammunition and fuel or batteries, or do a recharge. Then you need a mechanic in the unit that work on the mechanics of the mule, the electronics, and the weapons system. Other than a driver/verifier and a commander, the rest of the specialized crew would not be involved until/unless needed and can carryout their normal combat duties. Like quite a few 'game changer' weapons in the past, once the armed mules become known to the enemy, the mules will be heavily targeted. So will anyone that appears to be associated with the mule as operator or commander. Probably at some point they will be targeted by hunter/killer teams with armed drones. Much like a sniper team going after high value personnel targets. I also believe, again until AI can operated with its high-speed and effective self-preservation system, the mules will probably need at least some armor. Basically a lighter version of the modern IED/mine protection V-hull arrangement, only on all six sides. Front, both sides, top, bottom, and rear. Though the rear protection would need to be quick attach/detach for maintenance, trouoble-shooting, reloading, and re fueling. Otherwise, even with the much lower cost and and the life saving aspect, if/when the mules begin to be knocked out regularly the overall cost is going to go way up. Because, even with some small arms armor, they will not be hard to kill and less difficult to disable. I do still think they are a major game changer and a huge force multiplier. Especially if used with scout drone and targeting drones. So far, weapons on drones can do a great deal of damage, drones that can allow targeting of extremely high value targets, with final impact targeting at the most vulnerable point, a mule with an 81mm mortar round, 120mm mortar round, smart munition, or a new purpose built weapons system to take advantage of all aspects of the drone/mule partnership. If armor is incorporated on the mules it might be possible to have an armor panel or partial enclosure for personnel to use some features on a mule that require a person to be there. Of the mules and similar devices I have seen none are amphibious. I believe at least some models should be developed that are. At least for high mobility combat units that will need to cross water obstacles with all their gear, including that additional firepower. Along with the armed mules, ammunition carriers should be developed. Possibly with automatic transfer of the ammunition to a weapon feed system set up to make that doable. Now, again, with the mules probably being major targets, especially if the AFVs, APCs, fire support, and other assets not being used as much, leaving the mules as the danger the enemy will most want to destroy, the mules are likely to draw not only infantry assets to them to try and destroy them, but also air assets and medium armor assets to take them out. To me, this would mean that at least one version of mule would need to have anti ground attack, anti helicopter, and anti armor capability. Either with onboard sensors or a drone umbrella to provide the warning needed and the targeting information so the threat to the mules can be eliminated. I think most of the mules would need to be wheeled systems, from small to medium with a few larger units for more specialized uses. And not to forget ambulances, personal gear haulers, ammunition carriers, water and other sustainment items carriers. Perhaps cold weather support units. That is most of it. Now a few of the models I would like to see go into service. 1) A 6x6 wheeled version with a Rheinmetall RGM dual feed .50 BMG with one feed being one tracer - to four HE and the other feed .50 BMG Raufoss rounds. 2) A 6x6 wheeled version with two H&K 40mm GMG. One fed from the left with standard 40mm rounds and one fed from the right with thermobaric rounds. 3) A Howe & Howe Riptide version amphibious tracked vehicle with Rheinmetall 27mm remote operated auto cannon. 4) A Howe & Howe Riptide version amphibious tracked vehicle with a 4x Stinger anti-air missile Avenger box launcher and a 4x HOT 2 anti-armor missile box launcher. These would require a remote fire-control unit with an operator that can be located some distance away. 5) A 6x6 wheeled version with cargo platform for squad personnel kit. 6) A 6x6 wheeled version with cargo platform configured for small arms ammunition. 7) A Howe & Howe Riptide version amphibious tracked vehicle with cargo compartment configured for 27mm ammunition and Stinger and HOT 2 missiles. 8) An 8x8 wheeled version with an easy access covered compartment for 2x - 4x stretchers and medical support gear & supplies. Just my opinion.
Jam the data link and they're useless. Hack the command link and use it against it's own troops. Electronic warfare will be the most effective countermeasure against these vehicles.
Iam pretty sure, youll be able to atttach cable to it, i would do that before going into battle, to prevent that, if its designed to support units, itll stick with them either way so cable is the way. Not to mention, its not that easy to hack into datalink system, look on nato link16, russia and china are trying to get into it for years, but they simply cant.
This isn't Shadowrun. We're really talking about something that is either operating autonomously or with line of sight, not remotely. No more hackable from a distance than an air-gapped computer. Now, spoofing the IFF to sneak by it, that's a greater concern.
Something like this would operate autonomously, not connected to a data link. It'll carry a gps to be kept track of and when it needs directions then they send them encrypted. There are also measures against spoofing, such as giving soldiers identification parameters in the system.
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😂 Why don't we have Portal 3?
@@Cheka__ valve can’t count to 3 my guy
@@Cheka__z Imagine portal 3 in VR. Being allowed to make tiny portals to stick your hands into.
They need to make a Portal game in vein of Titan fall 2 and Dying Light movement. Since TF was based on source and I think old school bunny hopping which was amazing back in the early days of Counter Strike.
Anyway do that and then use the mechanics of the movie Jumper. How they could use momentum of their jumps and drag things through as weapons.
Have Titans in it just because fuck yeah - Titanfall was the only game to ever give me the feeling of scale when I got into one.
So teleportation as a Pilot - climbing, able to gain speed and sliding of Dying Light 2 with the portal mechanics of Jumper. With the Titans and gadgets of TF2 and Half Life. (Also fighting aliens both small and large. Should be some Kaiju in there.)
That game would fucking rock.
If only I was a billionaire.
@@dianapennepacker6854 That would be pretty cool. Titanfall's another one. I want Titanfall 3. Too bad EA excels at disappointing their customers.
[Sends 100 freakin 40mm rounds into enemy]
"is he dead?"
Well if not we're screwed.
It got weird when I stared getting ads for afvs and missile defense systems on TH-cam.
Why is my browser suddenly full of S400 ads?
Why am I getting S400 ads in the mail?
Why is there a plane with a “buy S400” banner behind it over my house?
Why are the doors under the plane opening?
@@Wolfgulfur why is there a strange click on my phone?☺.
The rest of the world: "....I don't want to invade America anymore."
Just be sure to include a high explosive or thermite auto destruct on the gun, unless you want it turned on your own guys.
That may stop an autonomous-UGV-gone-bad, but if the enemy hacks a remotely-controlled UGV, they can probably hack or jam any signal to set off such a charge/fail-safe.
“Why do I keep putting self destruct buttons on my ‘inators?”
...Doofinschmurtz
I think these would be great in combinations. Say you have a pointman for each platoon as one of the 20mm variants. You wouldn't need to put a tonne of armour on it, because you could protect it from small arms fire by putting heavy packs on them. This would allow the soldier to wear heavier armour if needed, or take a load off the back with the kit. Then behind the point vehicle you have Alpha section, then behind them, you have a equipment carrier with the remainder of the packs, and possibly a few hundred 20mm rounds extra. Each section would have one of these behind them except for poor old Arse End Arnold. He can have one of the weaponized ones at the back, be put on a seat facing backwards behind the gun using it either manually or with the remote in darker situations. Also, one or two of the ones that were raised up on the edges above the wheels which looked like seats. You could use these in friendlier areas to carry around troops to the front area, and possibly put a small mortar or something on one with ammo on the other, or leave it somewhat empty, or at least easily unloaded and carried, and use the flat bed ones with the seats over the wheels as a stretcher bearer for wounded. These could be driven remotely back to either a landing area away from the direct front, but not too far away. These could then have the medic help load the injury, and also be resupplied with ammo/food/water/equipment and then return to the main platoon. The good thing about this whole idea, is that your points on the platoon have great firepower that your regular infantryman can't carry without being stuck inside a combat suit or something, and that between the point and Arsey Arnold, you are well covered indeed. Troops would be less exhausted from hauling stupid levels of kit, medevac's won't have to come in unless it is a critical hot dustoff, and troops can be resupplied without having to drop it out over an area, and hope that no damned wind devil or something picks up the chute of the pallet, and take it off course and into the enemy's hands. Nope, I totally approve of these!
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Just imagine an AI controlled version of a weapon system like this... in the hands of an American "ally" like Sadam... set loose in a Kurdish village. Or a Chinese version, set loose in Hong Kong. If something horrible can happen, eventually it will.
@Shayne Gamble Says who?
@@lordchickenhawk American young men are very good at slaughtering non combatants living in mud huts in resource rich countries they invade. Shameful.
I'll be back! Arnold Austrian accent.
I thought the last bit was , it will not stop till it rips your still beating heart out of your chest. Run Sarah run
Caseless ammo for an auto loader is a dead end unless you use heat sinks or water cool it, as ejecting brass serves a vital role in extracting heat from the system.
Also it can accidentally fire if chamber is hot
I've never come across anything showing this to be true and it doesn't make sense that it would be.Think about it, the case is where combustion happens; it probably spends more time in contact with hot gasses than anything else. If anything, the barrel is sinking heat from the case.
Even if it were true, it's clearly an addressable issue, as evidenced by the G11. It was actually adopted by the German army, but when they sent the purchase request to the Bundestag the response was something like "the soviet union just fell and now we have to rebuild east Germany; we can't afford this!" and it was unadopted with only production prototypes procured.
JSN, the the casing absorbs the heat, and when it’s ejected, it takes most of the heat with it.
@@jsn1252 do ur research then, bc it is true
@@МужикТаджик-я3с No it can not, you can burn caselss ammo in the oven if u wanted to, cant do that with conventional.
Do research on HK G11 if u want more info. Also Voers i think has/had a caseless ammo hunting rifle in the sortiment.
That shed that explodes at 2:20 looks like a lot of extra fuel was added rather than the round.
Could have been a delayed fuelair explosion
@@chuckfinley3152 They don't have thermobaric cannon ammo.
no shit a 50cal shouldent do that XD
I think they added explosive material inside the shed, but, he was showing later in the video (@ 3:54 ) a demonstration, which was showing a PD-D or "Point Detonating Delay" round. It could have been that as well in combination. I agree, the explosion was far too massive for just that one round, I think. However, I'm not familiar with how far explosives have come when you have the nearly bottom-less research budget of DARPA backing your weapons development.
@@Veldtian1 looks just like expanding propane.
I like the idea of thermobaric rounds though. New year's fireworks would reach a new level. We'd need to ask Russians - their shit is smaller and pops better
10 seconds into the video and I already see what looks to be a K&N oiled cotton air filter and some Warn 9790 manual hubs. Glad to see the industry taking this push towards off the shelf components seriously. I'm sure it'll be a great vid, thx Mat.
South African Special forces have these types of unmanned vehicles already, they are serious beasts.
*VIDEO INDEX*
1:11 Crow System, manual & automated 50cal
2:16 New idea, ATV with new weaponry
3:22 Automated ATV, for infantry support
3:53 Potential 50cal embedded in PLT or Company
5:06 COD Vehicles uses on tactical overwatch
5:34 Technicality’s and good points
6:26 More technicality’s and positives
Looks more halo type thing
2:39 must be those new michael bay rounds , they are filled with 8.5 tons of tnt .
I think the containers must be filled with something flamable.
@@MrMonkeybat Yeah gas or fuel or something, just go look at 120 mm mortar round or artillery they don't have that much explosive power ...
The 25mm - 57mm air-bursting rounds combined with laser range finder are the scariest thing I could encounter in a battle.... no where to hide
Now slap some thermal optics on that bad boy and send a couple of them out on a night raid.
I would say a nuclear bomber or ICBM tops my list.
@@Bryan_Kay sm6 and tomohawk would like to say Somthing
I'd say, being on the wrong side of an a-10 probably won't be that scary, because you would be dead.
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Loved the two tracks and a platform, that would just be so useful, carrying kit for mountain rescue, forest fire fighters the list is endless, unfortunately without the military showing interest these things would never be built, and so have a chance to filter down to the civilian market, would love one!.
And pretty soon every squad will be equipped with jammers to deal with the enemy's fancy schmancy robotics.
I DONT KNOW about that!!! Because there will also be so much Electronic Warfare Offense AND Defense that the Human Brain WONT be able to COPE with it. I think its gonna be Whoever Sees Who First and Pushes The Button first
Like he says there are Weapon Systems that can AND WILL wipe out whole Squads and more at the Push Of A Button. For example, I dont see how Our Marines could successfully conduct landings on the ChiCom "islands" with any kind of a High Chance Of Survival these days.
I was thinking that same thing.. jamming the communication between the auto -bots and the drones, with EM white noise will disrupt the "Push the Button" signal.
Unless they are mad enough to use 100% autonomous AI in the drones/robouts... that is a totally different challenge.🤔😵😨💀☠
@@GSCt1000 and even then ....you can grill them with microwaves , or a " foam " bomb on their sensors , or simple traps like trip wires
You can't jam an autonomous vehicle. All of these eventually will be.
Protecting electronics from EM radiation isn't expensive either.
They need self-destruct option to keep from falling into enemy hands.
or the ability to kill all of the enemy before they get there
they have li-ion batteries in them which are basically explosives.
Just remove the hard drive and power cable
casey b Nah, LI-ON batteries are probably more of a liability. Lithium Cermaic Batteries are far better suit for this since they can be perforated and even cut and they will only lose power for a split second before operating as normal. Plus, Lithium battery do not explode, they start spraying fire, which might burn a dude who gets too close but not very likely to cause major or fatal injuries like a proper explosive would.
You can do it ww2-style. Just drop a chunk of explosive inside. Job done.
@Matsimus At 4:19 some text comes up that says "This was the chain gun system on my warrior in Afghanistan. They were not great." I assume you were talking about the MK52. Could you please elaborate as to why "They were not great." I'd love to hear more, since you had first hand experience using the system in the field. Thanks
Great! All we need is some WH40K playing service members to get their hands on these and they'll start calling themselves 'Techmarines'.
Or Adeptus Mechanicus.
Techpriests.
Totally started thinking "tarantulas" as soon as I saw this thing LOL
Don't give them ideas
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"Magical" weapons that can kill on a massive scale. The awe I got when I was into military anime.
Light infantry/airborne/marines will benefit the most by these semi/fully automated systems.
Provided they're on the side that has them and other side doesn't. The logical progression and endgame is battlefield nukes. Perfect.
@@frankmiller95 and sentient armed robotics
The World is turning into Hell just as the Bible prophecised..
Try fighting a totalitarian government just sending its Locusts(Drones) after you. There is No way to fight them
@@frankmiller95 battle field nukes have been a thing for a while, its just no one wants to use them due to the fallout (both literal and politcal)
Absolutely amazing channel! Thank you Matsimus.
My favorite chain gun was when they mounted a forward and side firing 20mm cannon the OV10 Bronco. The concept was ballsy, but effective.
I have to give it to the FW190.
The system on the Cobra was also tested on the Bronco (20mm three barrel) I think.
@@gordonlawrence1448 Yeah I love the idea of a minigun turret on a fixed wing like that.
@@Veldtian1 It's not a Minigun though, it was 20mm. Minigun is specific to the 7.62 gun. Pet peeve of mine
@@gordonlawrence1448 xm 197
Here's an idea that I'm just going to throw it out here:
How about having a person with a laser attatchment under their rifle to point at whatever target the person want's the robot to open fire on? And much like how if a attack helicopter pilot looks at a direction, the cannon spins with his head, you could just do that but with a person within a squad.This could easily just be a special attatchment for the squad commander, and wherever he decides needs 30 mm fire, he just points the gun at that place, pull a "trigger" biult in to the attatchment, and the robot is going to do exactly that. Plus this could also be used as a way of telling the robot where to go to, so if the commander wants it to go to any location, he can just point his gun at it and the robot will go. What do you guys think?
Well, you don't "need" a laser since a laser gives away your position. Use a helmet-mounted Apache sight that allows a dismounted infantry to guide a mounted gun.
It's a solution suggested in an article in Modern War Institute. Let me find a link.
mwi.usma.edu/three-warhacks-urban-combat/
@@VT-mw2zb Good food for thought. Thank you for the link.
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Target designated for armored support! Rounds, incoming!
@@VT-mw2zb
Depends on the frequency of light the laser is. Most, including military laser range finders on things like the Abrams don't use visible spectrum light but infrared, I'm not sure what frequency the combat laser being tested by the US Navy is but I know it's not visible light. Now the Israelis have developed a laser reactive web for their AFVs that will detect ever IR lasers and immediately pop hot smoke between the vehicle and source of the laser.
Initially these RC-ATVs are relying on radio frequency transmissions for control, this might become problematic in high EW environments. Even if linked to an operators HUD instead on a control board it requires RF communications working.
Semi-autonomous RC-ATVs that scan their environment are in the works. These would receive RF command prompts, such as fire on or move to, followed by then having to search for a designated target and then either fire on or move is doable but much more complex, more complexity more points of failure. It would also have to scan rough terrain and plot it's own best route to get to a designated move to location, I'm not sure the technology is up to that yet. Al 50 states of the USA use the same standardized signage and road markings for the most part and self driving cars are still make mistakes that would put soldiers survivability at greater risk.
Of course eventually these will be able to do all that, as well as obey voice and sign language commands.
As a former infantry man I love the idea. Quiet, low cost there are so many options for this
One of the problems which I see when you fit auto canons like we see in this video. Is that that have to be manually reloaded, lifting the ammo from the ground to the hopper where they to be before using.
25 mm or 35 mm isn't exactly light, and many rounds can you fit in the hopper. Compared to what you fit into an IFV.
We're going back to the thought process of horses and Calvary. You've got a mobile support small weapon chassis that stays with the troops.Made sense then still does now.
The small is important. It has to be cheap for its power because of infantry anti-vehicle weapons. If even one vehicle survives, it'll basically let you wipe the floor with the enemy. So the question becomes how much money are you willing to spend on winning a skirmish or battle and is that skirmish or battle important enough to bother paying to win.
I think we are walking the same trend as tank development during the interwar period (WWI-WWII).
Although everything is light skinned right now, they will get more protected and more lethal as soon as they are placed against one another during another war.
Thomas Zhang I fully agree with you. Lacking significant conflict, everything now is in a somewhat conceptual and experimental phase, usually overengineered too.
In case of an actual major, non-nuclear conflict lasting a couple of years, practicality will mature these systems.
@@onetwo5155 I feel like the possibility of a non-nuclear war these days is highly unlikely. Although I'd much rather we do have a non-nuclear conventional war than a nuclear one.
@@collinb.8542 I think that no one is suicidal enough to use nukes, you would have to put a dictator in a germany 1945 situation before they would use nukes (due to mutual destruction, no democratic government will ever be the first launchers and dictators will only use it when their deaths are practically guaranteed anyway)
additionally anti-ICBM tech is getting ever increasingly better, while atleast officially there seem to be a lack of counterpart measures in development (no doubt its happening behind closed doors), but in arms races the offensive tech almost always outmatches the defensive tech.
The Auto-bots will become cheaper and more disposable as time goes on!
Even more so as Graphene electronics and solid state batteries become more of a thing in these autonomous all-terrain vehicles.
Thats the answer to the age old AD requirement. I did 33 yrs of AD/ ManPADS / ADATS / Counter Bty Rdr.etc All required being exposed and/or a SEAD tgt. That system looks capable.
Sir, could you elaborate on this work you did?
In my mind, the way to use this technology to get the most bang for your buck is aquatically. A small submerged unmanned drone that could travel above or on ocean floors (blending in with the aquatic life), entering hostile waters and sneaking around until it’s in position underneath known hostile naval vessels, would be in a prime position to deploy a volley of smaller drones equipped with explosives and sink a ship without the enemy knowing how their ship was destroyed or who did it
Sam bubble bombs..
You can’t sieze and hold ground with the Navy mate
Take it you have never seen something called the sea floor
As a Veteran, and former assualt swimmer, yes, indeed I have seen much of the ocean floor, but my comment, should I now Need to unpack the explaination, is regarding the over emphasis on spending for Air and Sea, that has lead the work to neglect its land Forces development, this is a common problem from Vietnam to the US to Europe, tell me how you would utilise a navy in Napal or central Europe? Everything else is in Support of Infantry my friends, for example, look historically at when tanks are not deployed with an infantry Screen, i Addition you can not land your fancy aircraft or dock and resupply your ships without capturing a port or land, in Addition capturing or policing regions of sea, can not be done without ground Support, so in short, combined arms doctrine.
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Sorry if you are getting tired of my comments to your older videos, but I only discovered your channel recently and you cover such an interesting range of military equipment that I just can't help myself.
I can really appreciate the utility of very small and compact remote operated infantry companion vehicles. Many years ago I played a round of golf at a course that was testing out one of the earliest examples of a small electric club caddy just big enough to carry your golf clubs while you walked the course. A small box that controlled the club caddy went on your belt. The caddy automatically followed the golfer at a fixed distance from the box and thus the golfer. When you wanted a club, you pressed a button on top of the box that told the caddy to hold still. There was a bit of a learning curve to remember to press the "stay" button when getting a club else the cart just backed away trying to keep the set "following" distance, and to keep the cart from following you onto the green.
So I can imagine the utility of even just having an electric "mule" that can carrying a units equipment and extra ammo so that the soldiers don't have to hump the 50+ lbs of equipment and ammo that soldiers often have to carry if they are operating independently of armor.
Thanks for all the work you do!
Oh, and one more thing, what about getting something to increase the mobility of the soldiers themselves. In addition to the types of small remote controlled weapons carriers you reviewed in this video, rugged all-terrain vehicles like the EZ Raider (th-cam.com/video/p6kU9ibc7d0/w-d-xo.html) would allow soldiers to use very compact stand-on electric ATV to travel rapidly (45 kph) and over long distances (75 km) with very little noise. Also this vehicle system includes a trailer that contains its own battery pack and wheel motors on its two wheels that turns this combined vehicle and trailer into a 6x6 and increases rather than decreases the range. The trailer can carry up to 250 kg (more than a quarter of a ton!).
One potential to give infantry heavy firepower is to make custom trailers that would connect to the base ATV that can act as weapons platforms. For example a. ATGM system like the Stugna-P could have the base integrated into the trailer so that a team using this platform could rapidly transit to a location that would let them target an armored vehicle. The trailer is placed in the firing position with little set up other than lowering some struts to brace the platform to give it added stability. It could even be left attached to the ATV with the handlebars lowered to reduce visibility. Then when the missile has been fired and impacts, the legs on the trailer are flipped up and the unit beats feet before the neighborhood starts getting noisy. Other vehicles and trailers in the unit could have racks for carrying additional missiles.
Another would be to create a trailer for a 40mm grenade launcher with its own GPS and a fire control computer that can take the GPS coordinates adjusts the launcher to put rounds onto that location.
And just one more, and it might seem strange, but a trailer for a tethered drone. Tethered drones use a cable to draw power from a ground power supply and to send and receive data. Thus no radio transmissions associated and so nothing to give away your presence and location and the drone can not be caused to crash by blasting it with radio noise to drown out its command signals. Ones are available and can operate up to 100m. So think of it as the land equivalent of a periscope that allows soldiers to pop up an eye in the sky 300 feet above the trees and terrain to scan for targets and/or enemy location and numbers. The drone can be fitted with an IR camera, a laser range finder and even a laser designator to allow artillery and mortars with laser seeking guidance kits to achieve less than 1m CEP.
As long as they come with reliable self destruct systems.
Maybe some kind of Thermite charge, to make it completely unsalvageable while reducing collateral damage.
@@ThePathStrider that's actually extremely smart . Because thermite can't light easily so it won't just light when some small caliber round hits it and it can have reliable lighting system . But your point is most important it won't kill someone standing close to it like c4 explosion would .
If SHIV's are good enough for XCOM then they are good enough for the army
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@@TS-jm7jm You're not proud to be Human?
Are you a traitor?
yeah, ok ok but i be waiting for that blaster launcher !
Wat
At minimum they would draw enemy fire and expose thier positions, well worth the expense 🤔
IMO the ATV would be usable in a defensive purposes, but I really think most infantry units would find it to be a liability in combat. These kinds of ground drones would be really great for ambush situations and tactical defense. Somewhere in the back of my mind tho it feels like they are already outdated..
Aggemam Manden - agree , an atv makes it easier - enemy knows where you are ; so they get to decide when and where .
That’s been the USA strategy since vietnam - send young men into ambushes .
Agree. I guess an acid test is looking at infantry operations in Afghanistan and how a drone could help. Security and patrolling around a defensive position could be a good use and protect troops against attacks or IEDs. I'm less convinced for other operations, ie an IFV can deploy troops and provide fire support. Adding drones would seem to require a way to transport, deploy and provide logistics to the drones. So adding a drone carrier to a platoons inventory that can carry ammunition, spares and provide recharging. From the size, it might mean 1 or 2 drones per transport max. I think it'd be the same challenge with air transporting infantry + drone(s) and the tradeoff between transporting troops, or drones.
would also depend on who your fighting . the drone still sends and receives data , be it in burst or constant transmission , meaning the other side can track and record or possibly even take control of the drone which would be the worse case , so sure they might have a role but picking when to use them would be the key
I thought the discussion was supplementing the fire power of IFVs with smaller cheaper imbedded drones. Cheaper, quieter and locally controlled fire support.
agreed, mobility is a huge issue i would think, especially at the squad / platoon lvl. in theory this sounds cool, however i think you are correct in that they would be a liability in anything but a defensive role. not to mention conventional warefare is becoming a thing of the past
Not only are these new platforms a help to units in the field but the 25 mm rounds that are being developed are what I have been looking at. The rounds are computerized rounds that can be "changed on the fly" after being fired is astounding. It increases the lethality against any target. I am sure the same is happening in larger calibers too.
honestly im happy to see this advancing, just makes me hope for the day we dont need our soldiers to be on the front anymore.
I've always liked the notion of a spigot mortar firing smart rounds. Cost of the munitions needs to be reduced, but if that can be accomplished it would offer a lot of advantages. Most importantly is that spigot mortars can operate very quietly as their combustion products can be contained (the Fly-K comes to mind - see link). Secondly is simply that the number of rounds required could be reduced considerably. Anyhow, this seems like something that could pair nicely with such ATVs (and fits the theme of larger munitions accompanying the infantry). Although the very simple nature of a smart spigot launcher does also open up the possibility of placing individual rounds around the battlefield to be called in as needed. An ATV could help transport those as well.
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I want to know who’s responsible for clearing the stoppages and cleaning the camera.
I think they are creating ones that can recover from miss fires etc...
I was thinking.....a winch? on an autonomous vehicle!
@@deth3021 no mate, misfires don’t really work like that.
@@kevinwyatt9771 stop thinking then haha!
What about UAV’s with theses weapons for close air support. Like a smaller C37 spooky, air burst rounds raining down on enemy troops dug into position. Delayed detonated going into compounds. Could be devastating with out the air crew being put in danger.
recoil sux for suv's
It doesn't need to. The uav's can be large enough to have turrets with stabilization systems built in.
@@joryferrell7244its easy and cheap to shoot down those large drones, and they cost more and have less battlefield time than ground drones.
air drones should stick to recon and long-range missiles.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Again, they don't have to easy to shoot down. You can have them equipped with jet engines in addition to rocket engines. When they sense SAM's locked into them, they can use the rockets to get a burst of speed out of the enemies territory. In the end, if you have a massive squadron of these fly alongside human pilots, the enemies would have to choose to kill the drones or attempt to kill the pilots. It would help spread out the enemies resources and thereby increase survivability of ground troops and pilots. IDK...we are both armchair generals, but I feel that ground attack drones still have a possible role in modern conventional warfare...at least in areas that we mostly control and simply need to mop up resistance in.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Easy in theory sure, but so far not really common in practice.
10:55 I used to work at ATK and these are awesome. For some reason they were pretty adamant that I could not get one for my yearly bonus. I still think they were just being unreasonable.
This channel is so good! Keep up the good work.
Well, there is a lot of talk about major power "competition" at the moment; which is true; but it is also true, that conflicts like Afghanistan or Iraq: They are not just going to resolve themselves.
The other application is on supply trucks. They are liable to be hit by ambushes and aircraft.
Today a supply truck is reasonably protected (STANAG level 2) which means the kids on the street are not going to take them out by throwing stones.
These trucks still need some sort of arms to make life for unwashed hordes uncomfortable and remote weapons stations are a thing that springs to mind.
The other threat is helicopters and aircraft - it is not amusing for such an attacker to be sprayed by a troop of lorries spewing 7.62 mm, they won't hit anything; but the pilot needs some sort of consolation.
Don't underestimate the effect of anti aircraft artillery - I've looked into Pearl Harbor: The japanese actually had 20% losses from the AAA on the ships. Later on it was about 30%.
The problem with that was, that they also exposed the gunners so some sort of protection would be in order. The best protection from being hit by a bullit is NOT being around when it hits. So remote weapons stations are something we will see.
First: Also the reason is Money i mean look at Goliath from WW2
But the goliath was cute
@@tehsleepysheepy3496 tankers find these things cute. Why don't you find them cute??!?!
The goliath was a terrible weapon to face, if the radio was reliable enough.
More a case of automation making even semi-autonomous support ATVs possible. A remote operator who's still in the AOE is a very distracted target.
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Having options is a whole lot better than wishing you had options when it's too late.
To a degree. The more options you have in a military means more logistical operations to support the varied equipment. Thats why most militaries push for uniformity in equipment when possible.
That is the exact reasoning behind the 2nd amendment and also the logic behind the NRA's existence. Human nature can be quite f*cked up and it is incumbent upon us to protect our families at a time when murders are going up and police funding is going down. So yeah.....options are good, before it's too late!
I'm literally debating the merits of a single fire 25mm AMR on Forgotten Weapons IG, lol.
They keep arguing there's no need for it. This video is about to end some armchair general's career.
Thanks for the support!
Matt, as usual enjoyed the video. And I do feel that the utilization of this type of technology is not a bad idea, but
It got me thinking about the use of this concept for humanitarian applications.
Me: Is joining the Army as an infantrymen in February.
Also me: *chuckles* "I'm in danger".
Why did I read that with the voice in my head of Ralph from Simpsons?!?
@Mr. Holbrook your right about one and only one thing.....
Yes we are all homosexuals
Don't worry, God loves the infantry. I learned that from Die Hard 2.
Treat your fistr right and you’ll be okay
I have one advice for you if you're ever gonna be part of the "boots on the ground" or whatever branch you may be in. Don't let fear take over you, and do not lose focus. Face your fears. It's okay to be afraid, it reminds you that you're human and that you need to fight to stay alive. If you let fear take over you, you hesitate, if you hesitate, you lose focus. If you lose focus, you die.
Don't join the armed forces because you think "it's cool" or "you'll look cool". If that's your mindset, better not joining at all. Join because you want to serve and protect your people. Joining for the sake of being cool is being stupid and is basically pointless. Join because you love your people. Because that's the reason that will basically help to keep you alive or stay longer in the fight. If you joined just to be cool, then when it comes to the REAL fight, you're gonna turn out to be nothing but a coward. Trust me, I've seen a lot of these kinds of people come and go. A lot of them didnt even make it back their first tour. Being a soldier is about dedication, love, loyalty and sacrifice. Not being cool.
I think it’s a great idea. I wonder if they can be programmed to secure certain areas like a grid pattern and motion detection. A squad of Hi Tech ballistic Sentry’s. To be able to input the coordinates to a location and send it off ahead.
I remember making with kids fighting vehicles with lego mindstorms... I think I made a huge mistake... :(
I’m an engineer and I wrote a mech story 10 years ago. As it unfolded it felt like the robots worked ahead of soldiers. About donkey size, with twin flank guns or an underslung cannon. Most sci-fi is thinking the same sort of stuff. But for this decade: Argocat size wheeled vehicle, diesel hybrid, decent gun and room for some soldiers kit.
These very small heavily armed vehicles offer some of the same advantages that hypothetical powered exoskeletons would. The weapon is small, close to man-sized, and can fit in most places men can, but it can carry a much heavier weapon with a substantial stock of ammunition which makes it a much greater threat compared to it's size and cost. One disadvantage is that remote control is no substitute for being there in person, and one advantage is that since these vehicles are uncrewed they can be expended in lieu of human lives. A point both for and against them is that as such a high threat piece of kit, they will both frighten enemies more and probably draw heavier fire from enemies as well. They may put soldiers at greater risk of being shot at with anti-vehicle weapons, but knowing that a piece of war equipment has a psychological effect on the enemy can let you use it in such a way that you can manipulate your enemy into being predictable.
1943 Germany
"Hold my beer Stein"
Another side splitting hold my beer comment
Keeping these vehicles and weapons working would be a nightmare. It’s pretty basic to lug around a .50cal with a tripod, you have ammo and a few extra barrels, after you screw the barrels in she is ready to shoot. Probably couldn’t say that with these other weapons or vehicles being presented.
Keeping the person carrying a 50 cal working isn't easy either. That and the 50 cal operator is a primary target. I'd prefer to have an ATV as a target than the crew operating the 50 cal.
Lugging a gun around amd having to set it up is far less convenient than having a gun that follows you and is ready whenever the fuck you need it
One with a gun, and one with a supply of spare parts. This is basically a little workshop you can have around at all times.
Lugging a M2 around is far from basic. The gun alone is nearly 90 lbs. Can of ammo is 50 lbs. Tripod is 30 lbs.
Barrel changes are not as easy as a change out on a M240B or M249. The M2 is not auto head spacing like the other 2 are.
If head spacing is off you and the weapon system is going to have a bad day.
If we ever attacked by Connex containers… I know what type of weapon I want!
That was scary! Especially considering I spend half of my life inside of one
imagine using an artillery piece to lay a mine field from 10 miles away? rounds that embed and self destruct after a set time?
That quad track platform definitely has the hunter-killer look to it.
These things can mount heavy guns and move right next to the troops. BANG! Awww my ears are bleeding!!!!
I used a crow system in Iraq ! Loved them ! Kept me safe inside the Humvee!
I would love to see these sooner rather than later, I think it’s long overdue. Think of a lite platoon with one of these in support! Especially for an airborne or air assault organization! In defense, someone would have to bring up a antitank weapon system, or a tank to overcome their position! With a little time to dig in, that’s a tough nut to crack at a key piece of terrain!
Great choice of topic, this. Well done!
So long as you leave the operator inside the kill chain/engagement process, your drone becomes vulnerable; by disrupting it ability to check with a human before green lighting and engaging, it can be effectively stopped from engaging so long as it cant communicate with a person.
If the drone were programed to make up it's own mind about who and who not to kill, it could take advantage of all the time squandered in communicating
but you could end up with a terminator situation
Matsimus: "We need a robotic weapon system"
*Ripsaw M5* : * has entered the chat*
*Black knight* : * has entered the chat*
black knight?
@@adamleddy9894 The UGV Black knight. It was proposed by BAE to the US and now is in trials and is used as a proof of concept for future UGV's, and not to be confused with the Challenger 2 tank project done by the same company.
coolingdawn 4700 thanks... let’s see
the black knight looks like a baby abrams tank
look at tank development up to 1935 and youll see we're there with autonomous vehicles, nobody quite knows the right way to apply a technology which pretty much everyone agreess is a good idea.
...Just fill a b-21 with more 6 extra pilots... USAF will have it figured out first, because they will see the greatest performance benefit.
I think the guy who did the setup for the test dummies in an office is imagining his CO and 1st Sergeant.
I saw below where someone said they have to be manually reloaded. I'd be willing to venture that they could use the ATV internal space with straight-line linking or feeds that would allow them to hold massive amounts that wouldn't be needing to be reloaded, we have the tech, it just needs to be applied. I would also say that armor on these is very possible with the kevlar stranding tech as well, they can literally fortify these to be mini tanks without all the weight.
They won't tell you of course but we have the technology to do so many things, and these bad boys to me are a great addition to any company or patrol in places normal vehicles would ever even be able to get to. I live and ride motorcycles and ATVs all the time, and there's very little in places we can't go, it's all in the person riding and their confidence level. We've taken our ATVs where I'm sure no one has stood for over 100 years if ever! I love the whole idea and to me it would save tons of troop's lives, just think, one-shot taking out a 10-foot radius with one bullet, that's an amazing achievement and it can be put on a 4 or 6 wheeler ATV. Absolutely amazing to me!
One other thing I might add is you can roll these ATVs into a little gully or dip in the dirt and they would be just as hard to hit as any person in a trench, you'd be amazed to see what is possible with these items, I'm just loving the whole idea and then some. :)
More impressive still, these newer guns may even be fitted with suppressors for quieter shooting in the night. Mobile point defense platforms, baby.
Why don’t they just use the minigun attached to a toyota prius
We all know russian equipment fits best onto toyotas .
looking at the price, autonomous toyota swarms may be the future, they can even get you to the battlefield before doing an unmanned "suicide" run into the enemie's position
Genius
And then armor that prius with patches of Nokia 3310s
The good old not armored car not overpriced. Like german kubelwagen.
The narcissistic army brass doesn't like the idea of over empowering small units with too capable direct organic firepower.
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I personally like th IFVs but I doo like this idea
But just think what a RAP ( rocket assisted projectile) could do on this calibration size
I was 11B with the 101st and I can tell you,,, yes bring all you can to the battlefield, I dont care if it is a robot or Sarah Conner. The very thought that we have some kind of support other than getting your ass as close to the ground as possible is a huge moral booster. That is most of the soldiers mental attitude to proceed and be a confident fighter.
If you don't need room for soldiers inside you can have a much lower hull profile, which should help make them less vulnerable to anti-tank weapons.
I also think this would work better with caseless ammunition and linkless feed systems so there's no residue to be cleaned up later.
PS: I really like those airless tires on the 6-wheel ATV.
Getting back home to a Matsimus video, what a good night :')
Yeah Man.
Best way to get the weekend over with. Would be great to see some insigts on battle, tactics, strategies as well.
Cheers Matsimus and hope TH-cam isn't ruining the channel too much.
He's got a few on tank tactics I've seen which are good
you spelled M.A.L.P wrong
the sgc had this years ago
Anybody else:
TH-cam subs on Matsimus video: Hey there, guys. It's Matt Smith...
One thing this device can really help infantry is to give them early warning during nightwatch and night patrol. You can sleep better knowing that your sentry guns with it's thermal and night vision optic will detect anyone trying to creep on you. Still need one or two guys watching the machine though but it still make their life a bit easier. With a thicker frontal armor plate, which is totally feasible because this thing don't need room for human crews, it can take points in urban warfare. With a periscope, it can poke above covers and provides information. And just by adding a few hooks, it can carry a few rucksack for the poor grunts. The possibility is truly only limited by the imagination.
An ATV, with a big gun, could be mounted in front, above, or even mounted behind (looking over) an APC. When the “battle bus” drops off it’s cargo, why not drop of the gun platform? After all it’s the war fighters that require it once the bus has made it as far forward as it’s going to go. Each squad could have its own ATV platform, kitted out for their mission, overwatch, tactical dispersal, even resupply and wounded evac. Cheaper buses with a wireless link to its gun, fewer crew in harms way, and loose a bus or a gun the system is modular replacement is less expensive in material terms. Also, upgrade one, doesn’t mean you have to haul in the whole fleet. Just a thought.
US Army: *Uses robots*
Russia: *Developing drones*
Canada: *Upgrading*
ISIS: *Using Toyota trucks with
machine guns and outdated cannons*
Britain: cutting
And yet the people from ISIS are capable of shitting on the floor in a cave. You have to travel to Alabama, when you want to do that in the USA.
Canada: Shouldn’t that say “cutting back on armed forces to fund the war against transgender abuse”?
Mongolia: Horseback 50 cal mounted Keshik
*throat singing intensifies*
Philippines: corrupting..... not the president...
These devises should definitely be implemented to save lives!!!
и да и нет... Как только такое оружие станет массовым. Твоя жизнь уже не будет стоит ни копейки тогда. Потому что там будет давать команду убить тебя тот человек, который не увидет как тебя разорвёт снарядом. Он не услышить твои крики, не увидет твою кровь. Ты для будешь просто мишень и ни чего человекческого. Твоя жизнь, потеряет малейшую ценность. Так как ценить жизнь одного человека, может лишь человек, который способен сам чувствовать эту боль.
Oh humanity. Every moment tens of thousands or more are thinking hard to design new ways to kill humans
Pretty cool!
the way it's going machines will be killing machines
Si vis pacem para bellum. If u want peace prepare for war.
I'd like to know...
1- Can it cross a ditch with mud/water/sewage in it?
2- Can it navigate a wadi/ravine filled with boulders? If so, can it do it fast enough to keep up with infantry?
3- Can it clear jams itself or does it need a human?
4- Can its power source (electric, gas, diesel, other) last for a day-long patrol? What if it was needed for 48 hours?
Cool idea, these are just a few of the hurdles I can think of.
Nobody ever thinks what the systems will do to themselves only what it'll do to the enemy. I was glad to hear you bringing that to light in the beginning about these weapons potentially taking ones life.
They mounted 50's on ATV's decades ago - see the movie "Stripes" - that's the fact Jack...
Just wait 10 / 15 years.. Imagine what we'll have
Cars are going to fly all around like flies.
Mechwarriors? LOL
At this rate well be seeing bolt guns as standard infantry equipment XD
Probably the same stuff, Automated Lethal Systems are in a bit of a legislative quagmire at present and we'll have to see if they wind up becoming illegal or not.
200 trillion war debt and no health insurance...? 😂
Oh look The mainstream military complex is finally getting what the Iraqi's have been doing with the "technical" ( mounting heavy weapons on the back of 4x4 trucks) during the Russian annexation
Technicals aren’t nothing new though they been used since the First World War
@@hansenkreuz8890 I know this, I'm simply saying the American Military machine is finally catching up to what other countries have been doing for years
@@alphariusomegon4442 it's not catching up more than just adapting. There were many types of technicals in WW2 up to the gulf war. The half track was the combination of off road mobility with the simplicity of a truck chassis. Even during the gulf SOF used dune buggies with .50 cal HMGs and grenade launchers which is basically a truck adapted for deserts. The humvee became the technical for the US when it was only supposed to be a utility vehicle. NATO doctrine was more focused on stopping Soviet armored assaults so the equipment reflected that. Technicals in the form of Humvees, G-wagons, and Land Rovers with ATGMs and recoilless rifles existed for ambushes and shoot and scoot tactics.
All this is useless junk with one bomb EMP. ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE BOMB.
yea... its not like we haven't been putting large guns on the tops and backs of our vehicles for 100 years, finally...... oh wait
These things are game changers. They can fire rounds with recoil that will shatter human shoulders and are accurate to distances that even snipers can't reach. The optics and computers will also be able to see opposing forces and instantly make all adjustments for wind, air pressure, etc and land those shots on target. I wonder what role humans will have in all of this.
They will change ground combat as much as breach loading rifles and modern bullets did about 150 years ago. Those new guns meant that standing in rows was obsolete because it no longer required over a minute to load each shot. The muzzle loading rifles where gunpowder and bullets were loaded separately were used prior to that because machining of weapons wasn't advanced, accurate or consistent enough to make muzzle loading, then bolt action rifles possible.
War fighting, the men, materials and support equipment always changing!
Just how many different types of military equipment use the name *Bushmaster* ?
It's like *M-1*
They really should get a system like Actors equity…"sorry, that names taken".
Bushmaster is a company, man.
That's like saying there's too many weapons called Colt or Springfield
@@ericolsen5592 There's the Australian *Bushmaster* Protected Mobility Vehicle.
Built by Thales, _it's not a gun._
Actually has a interesting background story, built in 1997 and based on old South African police vehicles that were designed to survive ANC bombs it just happened to be perfect for coping with IED's in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Australian army lucked out having the right vehicle at the right time.
They offered it to the US (who were losing Humvees constantly back then), who took a couple to test, but decided not to adopt. They of course then developed their own vehicle based on the same concept, but being Americans made it much bigger and heavier and thirstier - the MRAP.
Economics eventually enters the battlefield. When the enemy can destroy Billions of dollars of equipment with relatively cheap soldiers, then we will not be able to pay for it.
How are we going to pay for these expensive unproven weapons?
Well they are cheaper and harder to hit than a AFV with similar gear, plus no lost soldiers
@@jamesj4827 I wouldn't necessarily say that. These remote weapon systems are a lot harder to use effectively compared to crew-served ones. Yes, the CROW system is amazing, but it sure is a lot harder to hit a moving target with it. Less precise firepower = less defensive firepower = easier to take out
@@JingleBop thats a fair point
Debt to hell. Print money.
Tax payers money how do you think they get funds in the first place?
Skynet: i am inevitable...
These vehicles might be good as armored reconnaissance in airborne and air assault units.
Amen! Couldn't agree more regarding development of these ATVs! If a modular system could be developed that would allow a maximum amount of versatility so that with the chassis being able to have different options for use that could quickly changed in the field. For example, removal of gun leaving a flat pad for carrying the wounded out of a hot zone, adding a 7.62 and a anti-armour module, a recon specific module with a variety of sensors and cameras , a laser module for guiding in air resources and artillery guidance, or even an anti-aircraft module for over watch......a 50 cal sniper module....the list goes on. All of these features can be achieved reducing the exposure of personal and would other units to share their camera footage to each other thus improving overall situation awareness for the whole command. Just as drones have done in the air these could revolutionize ground operations.
We are reaching Bolter levels of weaponry, slowly but surely.
about 75% the way there, check out the Neopup PAW-20.
You could ride it into battle like a surf board, carrying the flag with your cannon blazing!
This just reminds me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan.
The thing is that light tanks ceased to have a role on the battlefield because in practice, a tank had to be heavily enough armored that they could resist all light arms and they had to be heavily enough armed to take out any other vehicle. Weapons platforms that couldn't resist small arms fire were just targets. Weapon platforms that couldn't fight opposing weapon platforms were futile.
I simply don't see these weapons yet filling into a light fire support role because the platforms I'm seeing are vulnerable to small arms fire. I can see these having a battlefield role only if they can reasonably repulse light arms and act as both a mobile mantlet for infantry advancing in open ground, and as additional fire support. In fact, I'd be reasonably convinced that the roles of pack animal and mobile mantlet are perhaps more valuable than added fire support.
Full disclosure: I did not read all the comments. Therefore, mine may have already been stated in one form or another. Still, here are my thoughts on the subject.
I do believe (I tend to use the generic term of 'mule' for these small support platforms.) that the newer and future mules can be equipped with medium caliber weapons (20mm cannon to around 40mm or even 50mm soft recoil weapons). Firing HE and the other conventional rounds already available for most of them. I do think some of the new thoughts on rounds would also have some advantages. Overhead detonation, deep penetration, grenades, mines, WP, and a few others.
Additional rounds does complicate matters somewhat. Which ones should be carried and how many? Should they be in the feed system (linked or guides) or carried as individual rounds or 5-round strings? Unless on a special mission where it is know specific threats will be encountered having much specialty ammunition will take away from general purpose rounds, and if single loaded and fired, will put a soldier at the platform.
This brings me to the statement in the video about the platforms not needing any crew. I do not think this will be the case. Not for a long time, anyway. Once AI becomes advanced enough (if ever) to do the job, then application of the enormous force multiplier these armed mules could be voice controlled by the squad or platoon commander.
Otherwise, while the mules can effectively follow troops and even take point on a preprogrammed course or a somewhat limited autonomous course that AI can probably do now with appropriate tactical learning. Right now, someone would have to be in control of the machine to make sure it is where the commander wants it. And someone has to verify aiming, give the fire command (based on ROE), at some point reload with ammunition and fuel or batteries, or do a recharge. Then you need a mechanic in the unit that work on the mechanics of the mule, the electronics, and the weapons system. Other than a driver/verifier and a commander, the rest of the specialized crew would not be involved until/unless needed and can carryout their normal combat duties.
Like quite a few 'game changer' weapons in the past, once the armed mules become known to the enemy, the mules will be heavily targeted. So will anyone that appears to be associated with the mule as operator or commander. Probably at some point they will be targeted by hunter/killer teams with armed drones. Much like a sniper team going after high value personnel targets.
I also believe, again until AI can operated with its high-speed and effective self-preservation system, the mules will probably need at least some armor. Basically a lighter version of the modern IED/mine protection V-hull arrangement, only on all six sides. Front, both sides, top, bottom, and rear. Though the rear protection would need to be quick attach/detach for maintenance, trouoble-shooting, reloading, and re fueling. Otherwise, even with the much lower cost and and the life saving aspect, if/when the mules begin to be knocked out regularly the overall cost is going to go way up. Because, even with some small arms armor, they will not be hard to kill and less difficult to disable.
I do still think they are a major game changer and a huge force multiplier. Especially if used with scout drone and targeting drones. So far, weapons on drones can do a great deal of damage, drones that can allow targeting of extremely high value targets, with final impact targeting at the most vulnerable point, a mule with an 81mm mortar round, 120mm mortar round, smart munition, or a new purpose built weapons system to take advantage of all aspects of the drone/mule partnership.
If armor is incorporated on the mules it might be possible to have an armor panel or partial enclosure for personnel to use some features on a mule that require a person to be there.
Of the mules and similar devices I have seen none are amphibious. I believe at least some models should be developed that are. At least for high mobility combat units that will need to cross water obstacles with all their gear, including that additional firepower.
Along with the armed mules, ammunition carriers should be developed. Possibly with automatic transfer of the ammunition to a weapon feed system set up to make that doable.
Now, again, with the mules probably being major targets, especially if the AFVs, APCs, fire support, and other assets not being used as much, leaving the mules as the danger the enemy will most want to destroy, the mules are likely to draw not only infantry assets to them to try and destroy them, but also air assets and medium armor assets to take them out.
To me, this would mean that at least one version of mule would need to have anti ground attack, anti helicopter, and anti armor capability. Either with onboard sensors or a drone umbrella to provide the warning needed and the targeting information so the threat to the mules can be eliminated.
I think most of the mules would need to be wheeled systems, from small to medium with a few larger units for more specialized uses. And not to forget ambulances, personal gear haulers, ammunition carriers, water and other sustainment items carriers. Perhaps cold weather support units.
That is most of it. Now a few of the models I would like to see go into service.
1) A 6x6 wheeled version with a Rheinmetall RGM dual feed .50 BMG with one feed being one tracer - to four HE and the other feed .50 BMG Raufoss rounds.
2) A 6x6 wheeled version with two H&K 40mm GMG. One fed from the left with standard 40mm rounds and one fed from the right with thermobaric rounds.
3) A Howe & Howe Riptide version amphibious tracked vehicle with Rheinmetall 27mm remote operated auto cannon.
4) A Howe & Howe Riptide version amphibious tracked vehicle with a 4x Stinger anti-air missile Avenger box launcher and a 4x HOT 2 anti-armor missile box launcher. These would require a remote fire-control unit with an operator that can be located some distance away.
5) A 6x6 wheeled version with cargo platform for squad personnel kit.
6) A 6x6 wheeled version with cargo platform configured for small arms ammunition.
7) A Howe & Howe Riptide version amphibious tracked vehicle with cargo compartment configured for 27mm ammunition and Stinger and HOT 2 missiles.
8) An 8x8 wheeled version with an easy access covered compartment for 2x - 4x stretchers and medical support gear & supplies.
Just my opinion.
Well said
Crossout players: *HEAVY BREATHING*
These are the robots.
We need the automatic sentries from alien 2!
Jam the data link and they're useless. Hack the command link and use it against it's own troops. Electronic warfare will be the most effective countermeasure against these vehicles.
Iam pretty sure, youll be able to atttach cable to it, i would do that before going into battle, to prevent that, if its designed to support units, itll stick with them either way so cable is the way. Not to mention, its not that easy to hack into datalink system, look on nato link16, russia and china are trying to get into it for years, but they simply cant.
This isn't Shadowrun. We're really talking about something that is either operating autonomously or with line of sight, not remotely. No more hackable from a distance than an air-gapped computer.
Now, spoofing the IFF to sneak by it, that's a greater concern.
yeah, i dont think that a bunch of muslims dudes in the middle of the desert have that kind of technology
As of today we do not know how war will be fought in the future but until a all out war happen we can only build weapons that may work
Something like this would operate autonomously, not connected to a data link. It'll carry a gps to be kept track of and when it needs directions then they send them encrypted. There are also measures against spoofing, such as giving soldiers identification parameters in the system.
Great overview. Excellent analysis. Outstanding video mate.