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@@NickariusSN What? At this point in armored warfare any tank can punch through each other's armor at over 2000m. Practically they can penetrate each other from long range.
@@roceye I knew it! There *had* to be some anti-A-10 mysoginist patriarchist pig out there that thinks that A-10's exist just to BRRRRT around things! Well, nope! They can also carry things below their wings! Things dangerous to AFB's! There! hah. Amazing, so disgusted to have read that comment...
4:05 Just to elaborate: the word "melt" was used more to paraphrase the act which actually happens, in which the copper lining does not actually melt, but ACTS as though it were a liquid (despite remaining below its melting point), due to the force that is being put upon it by the explosive charge, and the speed at which it deforms and penetrates the target material
Yes, but it's also not "cooling down" as you said at 7:09. Because it's not "superheated", it's in the state of superplasticity, due to pressure. Also I'm not sure where you got your info on ceramics in Chobham and Burlington.
As far as i remember spaced armor of low thickness can actually increase shaped charge penetration in the main armor by giving the shaped charge more standoff.
As far as I understood it, the jet actually displaces and forces itself between the armor molecules. That's why it's veeery important where it actually detonates vs. the armor facing it's supposed to penetrate (hence being readily defeated by a simple cage/spaced armor layout).
@@drakko26 Cage/slat and spaced armor don't work the same way. It's a common misconception that slat armor works by prematurely triggering the shaped charge warhead, because that would potentially even increase penetration in the main armor (as explained above). Slat armor works by sqashing/crushing the shaped charge warhead before it detonates. That's also why it isn't 100% safe, because if a warhead hits a bar head on, it's oof.
@@jonny2954 Thanks for explaining that! For the longest time, I've looked at the slats and thought "how could that possibly trigger a HEAT warhead? Wouldn't the tip of the warhead pass between the slats 95% of the time?"
As a man whose studied military science and technology for decades, and especially armored warfare, I actually LEARNED NEW THINGS watching this video. *claps* Bravo gentlemen. Bravo!
This video is probably the single most comprehensive and well-research all-in-one piece with detailed explanations of various types of tank armor and ammunition. Really well presented and easy to understand. Especially when you talked about the APSFDS shells and explained how NATO and Russian differ, but also most importantly - WHY it differs (blocky vs slope-y tanks!). Wish watching this was required before posting on WT reddit about ammunition - so many misconceptions clarified in under 30 minutes!
So glad you enjoyed and found it informative. The War Thunder reddit is pretty autistic to be honest, even the developers treat it as a meme these days, they're so sick of filtering through the stupidity
Many years ago I visited an old fortified house (16th century) in scotland and found it had cavity walls, when researching this I found it was to reduce the capabilities of cannon and shot.
Hey guys, Very informative video. I learned a lot. One point...shells don’t penetrate. Shells don’t go down range. Projectiles do. Shells stay in the tank once the round is fired. Just sayin’. Thanks for your work!
1- shaped charges dont melt the armor they punch through it with the velocity f the explosively formed penitratore at like mach 9 or more 2- spaced armor may not only cause premature detonation but also normalisation at angals that are poorly suited to penetrating the main armor 3- mono block long penitratores do not bend well 4- ceramic reinforced metal armor can also significantly increase he effectiveness of a given thickness of conventional armor
The armor flows under extreme pressure. Same way as when metal is cold forged, sheet formed, rolled or pulled. The whole "burn trough" or "melt trough" is a close enough metaphor for a layman.
Fast-forward 1,000 years, our descendants will be studying such topics as the "pre-robotic militaristic times." When Mankind figured out that it's better to have machines do the fighting and dying. As a self-taught Military Historian, I'd argue it began in the mid-1910s. But, what's a few decades between friends?
Love learning awesome info. 7 years ago,World of Tanks made me an armor enthusiast. I really like the War Thunder clips simulating the narrative. Great job!
Could you do a similiar type of video talking about how the armor on tanks are repaired after they had been hit? It really interests me to know what they do to these tanks and how they do it. This video was very great :)
Part of the difference between Soviet and NATO ammunition is due to the single piece NATO ammo (except the CR2) and its ability to include a longer penetrator. Soviet / Russian, two piece ammunition (required for their auto-loader systems), can't include that due to the projectile's size. Also NATO ammunition is more resource intensive as NATO can afford the resource / machining allocation.
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one thing ive always wondered when it comes to spaced armour, in a case with small arms fire would compressed gas or liquid create a more effective armour before its penetrated and rendering it less effective
Ex tankie here. appreciate your videos on tanks, they are fun to watch. shells are freaking heavy and you throw your back out regularly as a loader, which is why auto load has been a back saver for many a man. Whilst fun as hell to drive, being a tankie is a hot, smelly, dirty unenjoyable job for the majority of the time.
Then there is steel foam armor which acts sort of as a cross between rolled homogenous armor and spaced armor. It is three times as thick for the same weight and is particularly effective against heat and hesh while having at least as much effectiveness against apds as the same weight of rha. Very effective against mines when used as belly armor on vehicles.
I read somewhere that Chobham Research had found out that their Burlington/Dorchester Ceramic-Composite Armour works best when hit perpendicularly rather than at an angle by a KE penetrator.
8:15 When I was on the Syrian/ Iraqi border ive seen EFPs cut clean through Abrams armor (when they didnt have explosive reactive armor plating on) but ive seen bullet proof glass stop an EFP. When the humvee came back the driver side window was smoking on the outside but the inside the driver was okay. The inner glass was cracked from the heat but no penetration.
Maraging steels (a portmanteau of "martensitic" and "aging") are steels (iron alloys) that are known for possessing superior strength and toughness without losing malleability, although they cannot hold a good cutting edge. Aging refers to the extended heat-treatment process.
Just that partial penetration in the thumb would ruin the crew's day. All of those blazing hot armor chucks in front of that shell had a hayday in that tank.
The spaced armor on the leo2a5 and up looks to actually be NERA. A close look shows what looks to be a rubber layer and another steel plate on the inside before the hollow space begins
I'm a bit late to this video, but I'd like to add an inconsequential bit of info. I was a nuclear Machinist Mate in the US Navy, so I had to learn every imaginable aspect of Uranium and its isotopes-- even on the theoretical quantum level. Uranium (U-92) is actually the most dense naturally-occurring metal that we can produce in significant quantities. It has a very unique atomic structure, unlike other metals. When most metals experience a large force (such as a bullet impacting armor), they deform into a mushroom shape as the material is pushed out of the way from the point of impact. However, when Uranium experiences the same force, it acts very differently. It tends to have a "sharpening" behavior, where the material that has expended its energy begins to chip away, allowing the remaining Uranium to continue on its path relatively unhindered. This helps the depleted Uranium penetrators retain their penetrative ability more efficiently, compared to more traditional steel or Tungsten penetrators. This, coupled with the extreme density of the metal, is what makes DU APFS-DS rounds so potent.
🤣🤣🤣 way to try to create a false equivalency, Seaman Shmuckatelli. I WENT to NNPTC. That school is a JOKE. It's nothing more than a minimum competency course to appease the DOE... and guess what? Ballistics ISN'T part of the curriculum. You want to brag about completing Prototype? Cool beans, nobody is stopping you... But going around TH-cam trying to portray yourself as an expert in completely unrelated fields because you completed a fundamentally flawed community college Associate's-level crash course on BASIC chemistry and physics? That just makes you look like a pompous ass. The physics model you were taught? It doesn't even include reaction forces.
@@awashburn6944 I mean all you need to earn a degree or certificate at a state university is the minimum requirements. My point is, minimum competency is a flawed logic as an insult because it can be applied to nearly everything. How many times do we see complete idiots earning the same rewards as their hard-working counterparts?
@@awashburn6944 That's exactly my point. He claimed NNPTC is trash because it's "minimum competency", but that really means nothing. Entrance is based on intelligence levels rather than GPA, and the instructors all have many years of practical experience in the field. Also, I never claimed to be a nuclear physicist or engineer-- only that I have knowledge of Uranium isotopes. No idea what that guy's problem is, but he seems to have some things he needs to work out with himself.
Very good video! Very detailed but easy to understand :) Im pretty sure the people who has just found armoured fighting vehicles interesting will get most of it. Looking forward to the next one.. as always :D
Yes, armored fighting vehicles are interesting, until you have to crawl in a corner of one of them and attempt to get a few hours of sleep on a rainy night, with metal objects trying to penetrate you like a rogue GrindR date as you toss & turn. LOL, thanks for your interest in mechanized warfare. Peace, Love, and all that good stuff, Lieutenant, Dan.
Wonderful co-work here, looking forward for some more of this Matt ! Also, what i remember from Alkonafter´s side on this topic, he greatly expressed the limitation of the soviet school auto-loader, as the round cant exceed a certain length, in witch hand-loaded guns have a big advantage, having a great impact on soviet munitions potential especially in modernization terms and into the future. P.S.: What was that at 11:19 ? I want some more of that ... from both of you ! :D :D
if you didn't know, the ISS uses a form of spaced armor, basically a Kevlar layer that will help the micrometeoroid literally vaporize and then spread out and splash against the metal plate behind it (which is some form of aluminum or alloy). that's pretty good against something like a grain of sand moving at 20-30 km/s.
Amazing machines!! Feel like these are becoming obsolete, think they would have a version that's half or quarter the size since there is so much urban wars nowadays
Well don't underestimate the budget brutes. Denmark has just gathered money for update of 8 more Leopard 2's. Typical end of year budget cleaning. There are situations, where 8 such tanks can be mighty handy.
Actually - and that is a technicality: When you don't spend all the money in a fiscal year - you can carry it over to next year. Only problem is: It tends to become a personal slush fund for generals - gets their mistresses promoted really fast too. So... there was a Chief of the Army that got himself an early retirement. What some don't really get is: A budget is supposed to be spend doing the job. If you do it better - well there might be room for expanding a programme, that was cut a bit to thin to pass the review process. So if you are smart as a commander you allways have a wishlist (It is Christmas - after all) - of sensible investments that make economic and operational sense. The airforce had 3 Challengers for North Atlantic Patrol - and VIP transport. So when they smashed an engine and the delivery time was somewhere in the distant future - VERY distant. The mechanics went on the internet and found a repossed Challenger in a remote place. The price for the engine was actually the same as for the whole aeroplan - VERY posh interior. So one of our navy ships picked the plane up - and the technicians got to overhaul it. So now there is actually 4 Challengers - and they avoid the cost of pulling the VIP interior in and out for the PM. And the PM has an Air Force 0.1 and the crews can absolve their training and do something usefull - plus it saves airline tickets.
German WW1/WW2 21cm mortor... ...fired from a very big, self-propelled gun platform... ...because you sometimes just need to be sure that the tank is dead (if you can hit it, modern computer controlled aiming) first time. (water cool the gun barrel and have robots reload and blast fresh air threw the barrel for cooling, keeping the crew completely appart from the guns toxic gasses, if you want to have any hope of a decent rate of fire. I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy in the comment section that thinks that this would be a really cool idea.) God bless and Merry Christmas. Keep up the great context guys. Well done. :)
If shell had a rocket-booster that fired once the shell started off on its downward trajectory, to give it a some extra speed, and a split-second, delayed fuse, that would be good too.
On the subject of trigonometry as it relates to the penetrative capability of a round hitting the armour it is worth considering that the targeted tank is not always sitting in a level plane as witnessed by the game play video and the tanks out on the firing range. A tank as it is moving over terrain will pitch and roll in the positive and negative aspects often in combinations of both which will influence the force vectors being applied to the armour by any penetrators. What this all means is that while a theoretical presentation of a round hitting a target tank as it is presented when sitting on a horizontal surface, when it comes to hitting the real tank out on the real uneven ground of a battlefield just what the result will be is open to the variables of just how that tank is presented as a target and just where your round hits the tank.
The Army wasn't interested in using the Super Pershing so Ordnance allowed Lt. Belton Cooper to add armor where he felt it needed more. Cooper complained during the war about the thin armor on US tanks so also grumbled the M26's. Cooper stacked layers on the hull glacis and added more to the front of the turret that added 5 tons of weight that made the tank nose heavy. Cooper was going to add more in the back to "balance" the tank but was told to stop since the engineers feared additional weight would ruin the transmission. It crawled off to the front where it hit 2 targets 1500 meters away that resembled tanks before being knocked out by a Panzer 4 that put a shot thru the side of the hull. The tank was last seen at a salvage yard waiting to be cut up for scrap.
I thought the thing was with the M1 was that the tank originally had the 105mm gun but by the time the Gulf War came around they had already refitted a good deal of them with the M256 120mm gun which is still used on it today.
Cumulative projectiles do not burn through armor, but penetrate, relying on the kinetic energy of the cumulative jet, which has a speed of about 10 kilometers per second, or hypersonic speed at the time of explosion.
A new technology called electric reactive armour (also termed electromagnetic reactive armour, or colloquially as electric armour) is in development. This armour is made up of two or more conductive plates separated by an air gap or by an insulating material, creating a high-power capacitor.[5][6][7][8][9] In operation, a high-voltage power source charges the armour. When an incoming body penetrates the plates, it closes the circuit to discharge the capacitor, dumping a great deal of energy into the penetrator, which may vaporize it or even turn it into a plasma, significantly diffusing the attack. It is not public knowledge whether this is supposed to function against both kinetic energy penetrators and shaped charge jets, or only the latter. This technology has not yet been introduced on any known operational platform. Another electromagnetic alternative to ERA uses layers of plates of electromagnetic metal with silicone spacers on alternate sides. The damage to the exterior of the armour passes electricity into the plates causing them to magnetically move together. As the process is completed at the speed of electricity the plates are moving when struck by the projectile causing the projectile energy to be deflected whilst the energy is also dissipated in parting the magnetically attracted plates.
Damned. In my day, we just tried to squeeze off a nice shot at heads poking up a distance with M16s. You younger warriors have really thought things through! But seriously, thank you for your service. Continue to be the total bad-ass I suspect you are.
In 1917 the British Royal Armouries tested captured German anti-tank weapons and ammunition versus the Harveyised rolled steel armour being used on the British and French tanks in WW1. Harveyised armour (1865) was a process of burying red hot steel plates in carbon granules and leaving it to cool over a long period of time, which allowed the carbon to be absorbed into the surfaces of the steel plates and increasing the hardness. On the downside it is very prone to spalling. It also cannot be drilled or punched so all holes have to be created before the process takes place. In 1921, when rolled and cast homogenous armour first appeared, they revisited these weapons again in tests for a comparison and measure of improvements in this armour protection advancement. (Vertical test targets at 100 yards range). Harveyised plate Rolled Homogenous plate Mauser 7.92mm. rifle AP K bullet: Up to 19mm. Up to 13mm. Mauser 13mm. anti-tank rifle AP bullet: Up to 30mm. Up to 21mm.
vVv shaggy Neither do I. The information was very interesting but I didn't understand the presentation of the results. I also found the information to be very helpful as I am interested in welding and blacksmithing.
@@brendanngin9939 I was demonstrating that a change in the technology of the AFV armour material has already confronted anti-armour weapons developers in the 1920's with the invention of very high nickel content rolled homogeneous armour. RHA gives more protection for the same thickness as WW1 era Harveyised armour (invented 1871). Modern day armour materials give considerable increases in protection compared to WW2 FHRHA. Progress is measured against what preceded an improvement.
I believe that the angle of the turret front of the Challenger 2 is just part of the cosmetic shell. From what I've been told underneath it's much flatter like the Abrams.
interesting info BUT If I'm ever caught on the wrong end of a firing tank, I hope the shells are as far over my head as your explanation of tank ammunition. ;o)
don't mind me i'm just sitting here thinking about how a few wwII time travelers would love to have their hands on this video to bring it back to their own time....
blackdeath, I accidentally time traveled from the year 200000019 back to what you call "now." Can't believe our species survived the Obama Administration... funny and you all know it!. Yes, believe it or not, it was Trump who saved humanity. lol, ok, just funning with you guys. But, admit it, that was kinda funny, right?
AWESOME!!!! Thx, it was really interesting and even funny!!! So, at Koala (you got a Abo since a while) and at Matsimus (You get it now), keep on and it would be interesting, to see more of your collaboration! Even from you both alone! Well, THX a lot!!! :)
Yeah tanks are fun, until its time for maintenance. Sooooo much maintenance. Btw congrats on joining the rca. Its my uncles old regiment. I was a strat myself.
In my time with the tankers, as a field artillery officer, they spent 90% of their time working on those iron chariots... Mid to late 1990s anyway. Sincerely, thank you for your service my brother-in-arms. [Assumes the ridged position of attention and salutes].
Some armour piercing rounds work like shaped charges that they use in demolition to slice through steel beams, they shoot a thin jet of molten copper through the steel
My Opa was a Panzerjager in the 8th PD. At the end of the war he was in the Panzerjager IV L/70. He told me after one battle it looked like a pig was slaughtered in the tank. What happened was the shells hit his tank and didn’t go through. But the armor would flake off and fly through the tank like razor blades cutting anyone in the way. They were all bleeding , but ok.
Places a banana peel in front of your tracks.... "Victory is Mine!" [Stewie from Family Guy reference]. Hope this translates into Russian. Это смешно и ты это знаешь
@@jonny2954 They don't work differently according to the Patent. NxRA is just NERA with a special filler instead of plain rubber. But they are basically the same thing. C. Non-Explosive Reactive Armor (NxRA): [0011] Non-Explosive Reactive Armor provides a comparable efficiency to SLERA, comparable survivability to NERA (see below), and excellent multiple-hit capability against hollow charge warheads. NxRA's advantages over other reactive armor technologies are that it is totally passive and has substantially better efficiency than NERA.Energetic materials for NxRA are disclosed for example in [bla bla bla]. D. Non-Energetic Reactive Armor (NERA): [0012] Non-Energetic Reactive Armor has limited efficiency against hollow charges. NERA's advantage is that it is totally passive and thus provides excellent survivability and maximal multiple-hit capability, comparable to NxRA. [0013] It is an object of the present invention to provide a non-explosive energetic material suitable for NxRA which does not contain explosive material and fulfills its protective function (high efficiency and high survivability of the armor), whilst the non-explosive energetic material lowers the requirements of transportation and logistics according to various standards e.g. UN regulations as appearing in the Recommendations on the Transport of Dangerous Goods. [0014] It is a further object of the present invention to provide an armor element fitted for such an energetic material and where the armor is of comparable efficiency to SLERA and of comparable survivability to NERA.
@@AverageJoe8686 The part you cited literally says nothing about how the armors work respectively. Yes, NxRA has a different filler, and this filler is changing how the armor behaves when hit, meaning how it works. In NERA, you have layers which 'transfer' energy from front plate to backplate -and this backplate is moving and damaging the SC jet or penetrator rod. In NERA armour this layer is passive, not active - it only transfer energy between metal layers. In NxRA, you have layers which are non explosive but reactive. This layer changes its volume during transfer of energy from first to second metal layer of the array -so BOTH thin metal plates start to move and both metal plates are damaging the SC jet or penetrator. The movement is much faster in NxRA.
Glass plate armor was abandoned primarily because it required replacement of large sections to repair damage which could be difficult, time consuming and costly depending on access to and modularity of the armor sections. Other kinds of composite armor were somewhat easier to maintain. It still has the potential for practical use in smaller modular pieces if that was incorporated into some design. Fiberglass armor on the other hand has grown in popularity because of its particular characteristics being a reasonable trade off against most threats.
Something that I've never seen mentioned on You tube is the fact that the Sabot petals can be extremely deadly to friendly troops in front of the tank. OUCH!
@@armyreservist0 They tend to move together, with troops on the watch for anti-tank weapons while tank fires machine-guns over their heads. Troops look around and behind obstacles that may conceal enemies with missile launchers.
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Americans say this in not a war this is a stick up. fork it over.
does the T14 also have this heavily sloped layout?
3:49 MAUSCHEN?
What's the name and artist of the instrumental soundtrack in this video, please?
Modern tank warfare: long range dart matches.
Practically they cant even penetrate each other from long range
Edit: i am very sorry for my 1 year ago self's statements, he is an idiot
@@NickariusSN
What? At this point in armored warfare any tank can punch through each other's armor at over 2000m.
Practically they can penetrate each other from long range.
Some darts can liquidify the crew inside
@@weouthere6902 mmm goo
@@BearAnkles probably more like slush
How does Tank Armor and Ammunition work?
A10:They Don’t
A10's 30mm can't penetrate the frontal armor of any modern MBT that's why they attack armor from behind and obviously above.
@@roceye I knew it! There *had* to be some anti-A-10 mysoginist patriarchist pig out there that thinks that A-10's exist just to BRRRRT around things! Well, nope! They can also carry things below their wings! Things dangerous to AFB's! There! hah. Amazing, so disgusted to have read that comment...
@@hansvonmannschaft9062 lol- go take your meds and sit down
@@roceye don't, he's hans
@@hansvonmannschaft9062 why does everyone think the A-10 only brrrt, they has bombs and missile
4:05 Just to elaborate: the word "melt" was used more to paraphrase the act which actually happens, in which the copper lining does not actually melt, but ACTS as though it were a liquid (despite remaining below its melting point), due to the force that is being put upon it by the explosive charge, and the speed at which it deforms and penetrates the target material
Yes, but it's also not "cooling down" as you said at 7:09. Because it's not "superheated", it's in the state of superplasticity, due to pressure. Also I'm not sure where you got your info on ceramics in Chobham and Burlington.
As far as i remember spaced armor of low thickness can actually increase shaped charge penetration in the main armor by giving the shaped charge more standoff.
As far as I understood it, the jet actually displaces and forces itself between the armor molecules. That's why it's veeery important where it actually detonates vs. the armor facing it's supposed to penetrate (hence being readily defeated by a simple cage/spaced armor layout).
@@drakko26 Cage/slat and spaced armor don't work the same way. It's a common misconception that slat armor works by prematurely triggering the shaped charge warhead, because that would potentially even increase penetration in the main armor (as explained above). Slat armor works by sqashing/crushing the shaped charge warhead before it detonates. That's also why it isn't 100% safe, because if a warhead hits a bar head on, it's oof.
@@jonny2954 Thanks for explaining that! For the longest time, I've looked at the slats and thought "how could that possibly trigger a HEAT warhead? Wouldn't the tip of the warhead pass between the slats 95% of the time?"
As a man whose studied military science and technology for decades, and especially armored warfare, I actually LEARNED NEW THINGS watching this video. *claps* Bravo gentlemen. Bravo!
Are you gay?
Are you sure you studied well lol?
What die you learn?
In highly hostile environments, What material is best for thin armor? I’m not sure about the cons to consider with armoring metals
This is all basic stuff bro
Meanwhile in War Thunder: *RICOCHET*
do you play wt?
I hate it when you calculate and ricochet bruh
Target undamaged
ENEMY KILL ASSIST
"Hull break"
"Tank armor stops shells"
WoT premium ammo: no it doesn't
CZECH SLAV TF2 medic: no they don’t
Panzer tanks: aim I a joke to you
Is that game actually good?
ricky bear no, its shit
PLAY WAR THUNDER cuz wot is HOT STEAMING DOG SHIT
This video is probably the single most comprehensive and well-research all-in-one piece with detailed explanations of various types of tank armor and ammunition. Really well presented and easy to understand.
Especially when you talked about the APSFDS shells and explained how NATO and Russian differ, but also most importantly - WHY it differs (blocky vs slope-y tanks!).
Wish watching this was required before posting on WT reddit about ammunition - so many misconceptions clarified in under 30 minutes!
So glad you enjoyed and found it informative. The War Thunder reddit is pretty autistic to be honest, even the developers treat it as a meme these days, they're so sick of filtering through the stupidity
24:20 “a way of hacking into guided munitions” *shows an unguided RPG getting blown to bits*
NASA uses 'space(d) armour' on the International Space Station. Even a paint fleck at 17,000 mph has a lot of energy that needs dissipating ;o)
@robert proctor you make me think that *you* are the Idiot...
robert proctor you’re*
@@CatAdvantage he wasn’t sure what your, you’re to use😂🤣 so just spell it out.
@@lemonaid8678 I don’t remember the content but it looks like the guy I was talking to deleted his comment.
I came here to say this👍
Many years ago I visited an old fortified house (16th century) in scotland and found it had cavity walls, when researching this I found it was to reduce the capabilities of cannon and shot.
Hey guys,
Very informative video. I learned a lot. One point...shells don’t penetrate. Shells don’t go down range. Projectiles do. Shells stay in the tank once the round is fired. Just sayin’. Thanks for your work!
1- shaped charges dont melt the armor they punch through it with the velocity f the explosively formed penitratore at like mach 9 or more
2- spaced armor may not only cause premature detonation but also normalisation at angals that are poorly suited to penetrating the main armor
3- mono block long penitratores do not bend well
4- ceramic reinforced metal armor can also significantly increase he effectiveness of a given thickness of conventional armor
The armor flows under extreme pressure. Same way as when metal is cold forged, sheet formed, rolled or pulled. The whole "burn trough" or "melt trough" is a close enough metaphor for a layman.
Sees upload - gets excited
Appreciate it Mat, was a pleasure to be involved. Cheers! :D
i had to go like this video on both channels.. its THAT good... new sub for the both of you, hope to see more collabs in the future
This is the most entertaining tank education video I've ever seen. Bravo to both of you!
Man I could talk about this topic for days. Its kinda fascinating in its own way
Fast-forward 1,000 years, our descendants will be studying such topics as the "pre-robotic militaristic times." When Mankind figured out that it's better to have machines do the fighting and dying. As a self-taught Military Historian, I'd argue it began in the mid-1910s. But, what's a few decades between friends?
@@danmurray1143 wut
TOP 10 ANIME CROSSOVERS THAT NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED.
Love learning awesome info. 7 years ago,World of Tanks made me an armor enthusiast. I really like the War Thunder clips simulating the narrative. Great job!
"man I'm always absent for online class"
me at 1:25 AM:
Could you do a similiar type of video talking about how the armor on tanks are repaired after they had been hit? It really interests me to know what they do to these tanks and how they do it. This video was very great :)
That's a good question, I'm curious as well
Part of the difference between Soviet and NATO ammunition is due to the single piece NATO ammo (except the CR2) and its ability to include a longer penetrator. Soviet / Russian, two piece ammunition (required for their auto-loader systems), can't include that due to the projectile's size. Also NATO ammunition is more resource intensive as NATO can afford the resource / machining allocation.
Honestly, Republic Commando deserves a remaster
Oh baby does it ever.
Just got that game for my xbox one lol
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Kandosii sa ka'rota, Vode An
Coruscanta a'den mhi, Vode An
Bal kote, darasuum kote
Jorso'ran kando a tome
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Kandosii sa ka'rota, Vode An
Coruscanta a'den mhi, Vode An
Bal...
Motir ca'tra nau tracinya
Gra'tua cuun hett su dralshy'a
Aruetyc runi solus cet o'r
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Gra'tua cuun hett su dralshy'a
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Holy hell the amount of views on this video! INSANITY! Looks like we need to do another one of these Mat! :D
theScottishKoala roger that brother! 👍👍
If you do another video ... TURN THE MUSIC OFF!!!
yes
one thing ive always wondered when it comes to spaced armour, in a case with small arms fire would compressed gas or liquid create a more effective armour before its penetrated and rendering it less effective
Ex tankie here. appreciate your videos on tanks, they are fun to watch.
shells are freaking heavy and you throw your back out regularly as a loader, which is why auto load has been a back saver for many a man.
Whilst fun as hell to drive, being a tankie is a hot, smelly, dirty unenjoyable job for the majority of the time.
Awesome video guys. Extremely well done. Easy to understand and entertaining.
Thanks... I never thought about that with sloped armour... a round has to go a bit further to penetrate 👍
I'll keep this Info in mind when I'm fitting my lawn mower for the apocalypse
Nice video guys, I love the levity and banter, and enjoyed it's informative values!
Then there is steel foam armor which acts sort of as a cross between rolled homogenous armor and spaced armor. It is three times as thick for the same weight and is particularly effective against heat and hesh while having at least as much effectiveness against apds as the same weight of rha. Very effective against mines when used as belly armor on vehicles.
Glad to listen to ScottishKoala. Hope your friendship is long lasting.
I read somewhere that Chobham Research had found out that their Burlington/Dorchester Ceramic-Composite Armour works best when hit perpendicularly rather than at an angle by a KE penetrator.
I have no idea of what you just said, yet I completely agree with it.
Very good video, thanks for increasing my tank neardyness.
I vote for Matsimii.
1.1 million views!!
Congratulations Matt!
Keep up the awesome work, we love ya 🇨🇦
8:15 When I was on the Syrian/ Iraqi border ive seen EFPs cut clean through Abrams armor (when they didnt have explosive reactive armor plating on) but ive seen bullet proof glass stop an EFP. When the humvee came back the driver side window was smoking on the outside but the inside the driver was okay. The inner glass was cracked from the heat but no penetration.
Very interesting. Are you sure that the failure of the EFP can't be attributed to the Humvee being slightly out of range?
Really great video! Great to know this too! Thanks Matt!
I was looking forward to the HE shell explanation/evolution..
Maraging steels (a portmanteau of "martensitic" and "aging") are steels (iron alloys) that are known for possessing superior strength and toughness without losing malleability, although they cannot hold a good cutting edge. Aging refers to the extended heat-treatment process.
YEAH! love that opening - ah the slow motion glory
name of the song?
Just that partial penetration in the thumb would ruin the crew's day. All of those blazing hot armor chucks in front of that shell had a hayday in that tank.
The spaced armor on the leo2a5 and up looks to actually be NERA. A close look shows what looks to be a rubber layer and another steel plate on the inside before the hollow space begins
I like the team work putting video together. Great job gentleman
I'm a bit late to this video, but I'd like to add an inconsequential bit of info.
I was a nuclear Machinist Mate in the US Navy, so I had to learn every imaginable aspect of Uranium and its isotopes-- even on the theoretical quantum level.
Uranium (U-92) is actually the most dense naturally-occurring metal that we can produce in significant quantities. It has a very unique atomic structure, unlike other metals. When most metals experience a large force (such as a bullet impacting armor), they deform into a mushroom shape as the material is pushed out of the way from the point of impact.
However, when Uranium experiences the same force, it acts very differently. It tends to have a "sharpening" behavior, where the material that has expended its energy begins to chip away, allowing the remaining Uranium to continue on its path relatively unhindered. This helps the depleted Uranium penetrators retain their penetrative ability more efficiently, compared to more traditional steel or Tungsten penetrators.
This, coupled with the extreme density of the metal, is what makes DU APFS-DS rounds so potent.
Another quality of DU is that it is pyrophoric ie. it ignitesspontaneously in air at low temperature
🤣🤣🤣 way to try to create a false equivalency, Seaman Shmuckatelli.
I WENT to NNPTC. That school is a JOKE. It's nothing more than a minimum competency course to appease the DOE... and guess what? Ballistics ISN'T part of the curriculum.
You want to brag about completing Prototype? Cool beans, nobody is stopping you... But going around TH-cam trying to portray yourself as an expert in completely unrelated fields because you completed a fundamentally flawed community college Associate's-level crash course on BASIC chemistry and physics? That just makes you look like a pompous ass. The physics model you were taught? It doesn't even include reaction forces.
@@awashburn6944 I mean all you need to earn a degree or certificate at a state university is the minimum requirements. My point is, minimum competency is a flawed logic as an insult because it can be applied to nearly everything. How many times do we see complete idiots earning the same rewards as their hard-working counterparts?
@@awashburn6944 That's exactly my point. He claimed NNPTC is trash because it's "minimum competency", but that really means nothing. Entrance is based on intelligence levels rather than GPA, and the instructors all have many years of practical experience in the field.
Also, I never claimed to be a nuclear physicist or engineer-- only that I have knowledge of Uranium isotopes. No idea what that guy's problem is, but he seems to have some things he needs to work out with himself.
Sharing this video with my tank aficionado friends, this is definitely the best video about tank armor out there, thanks for that
Very good video! Very detailed but easy to understand :) Im pretty sure the people who has just found armoured fighting vehicles interesting will get most of it. Looking forward to the next one.. as always :D
Yes, armored fighting vehicles are interesting, until you have to crawl in a corner of one of them and attempt to get a few hours of sleep on a rainy night, with metal objects trying to penetrate you like a rogue GrindR date as you toss & turn. LOL, thanks for your interest in mechanized warfare. Peace, Love, and all that good stuff, Lieutenant, Dan.
Brilliant! Thanks for pointing out his channel! Cheers!
Brilliant video. I actually learned something and I'm huge tank nerd.
this is gonna be bloody good, I can tell......
Wonderful co-work here, looking forward for some more of this Matt ! Also, what i remember from Alkonafter´s side on this topic, he greatly expressed the limitation of the soviet school auto-loader, as the round cant exceed a certain length, in witch hand-loaded guns have a big advantage, having a great impact on soviet munitions potential especially in modernization terms and into the future. P.S.: What was that at 11:19 ? I want some more of that ... from both of you ! :D :D
Thanks for the vid. Like the mix up! Will check out Scott’s channel.
4:03 that was so satisfying to watch
its from the video from the slow mo guys... i think it is called "massive explosive chain reaction" or something like that
Pz IV - [Upgrade]
Tiger I - [Go back]
Tiger II - [I said go back]
Maus - [I SAID GO BACK!]
I'll keep this in mind next time I'm buying my tank shells.
if you didn't know, the ISS uses a form of spaced armor, basically a Kevlar layer that will help the micrometeoroid literally vaporize and then spread out and splash against the metal plate behind it (which is some form of aluminum or alloy). that's pretty good against something like a grain of sand moving at 20-30 km/s.
Amazing machines!! Feel like these are becoming obsolete, think they would have a version that's half or quarter the size since there is so much urban wars nowadays
WOW....Lotta information coming at you here!
Well don't underestimate the budget brutes. Denmark has just gathered money for update of 8 more Leopard 2's. Typical end of year budget cleaning. There are situations, where 8 such tanks can be mighty handy.
Actually - and that is a technicality: When you don't spend all the money in a fiscal year - you can carry it over to next year. Only problem is: It tends to become a personal slush fund for generals - gets their mistresses promoted really fast too.
So... there was a Chief of the Army that got himself an early retirement.
What some don't really get is: A budget is supposed to be spend doing the job.
If you do it better - well there might be room for expanding a programme, that was cut a bit to thin to pass the review process.
So if you are smart as a commander you allways have a wishlist (It is Christmas - after all) - of sensible investments that make economic and operational sense.
The airforce had 3 Challengers for North Atlantic Patrol - and VIP transport. So when they smashed an engine and the delivery time was somewhere in the distant future - VERY distant.
The mechanics went on the internet and found a repossed Challenger in a remote place. The price for the engine was actually the same as for the whole aeroplan - VERY posh interior.
So one of our navy ships picked the plane up - and the technicians got to overhaul it.
So now there is actually 4 Challengers - and they avoid the cost of pulling the VIP interior in and out for the PM. And the PM has an Air Force 0.1 and the crews can absolve their training and do something usefull - plus it saves airline tickets.
Lots of good information for my tank build thanks
Yay! Finally another Matsimus vid! Can you please do a video about the chinese mbt ZTZ99A2? Thank youu!
German WW1/WW2 21cm mortor...
...fired from a very big, self-propelled gun platform...
...because you sometimes just need to be sure that the tank is dead (if you can hit it, modern computer controlled aiming) first time.
(water cool the gun barrel and have robots reload and blast fresh air threw the barrel for cooling, keeping the crew completely appart from the guns toxic gasses, if you want to have any hope of a decent rate of fire. I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy in the comment section that thinks that this would be a really cool idea.)
God bless and Merry Christmas. Keep up the great context guys. Well done. :)
If shell had a rocket-booster that fired once the shell started off on its downward trajectory, to give it a some extra speed, and a split-second, delayed fuse, that would be good too.
Thanks for the like Maximus. :) Your awesome. :) Merry Christmas. :)
On the subject of trigonometry as it relates to the penetrative capability of a round hitting the armour it is worth considering that the targeted tank is not always sitting in a level plane as witnessed by the game play video and the tanks out on the firing range. A tank as it is moving over terrain will pitch and roll in the positive and negative aspects often in combinations of both which will influence the force vectors being applied to the armour by any penetrators. What this all means is that while a theoretical presentation of a round hitting a target tank as it is presented when sitting on a horizontal surface, when it comes to hitting the real tank out on the real uneven ground of a battlefield just what the result will be is open to the variables of just how that tank is presented as a target and just where your round hits the tank.
I'm not sure if you are an Engineer, a Software nerd, or a Veteran. But you write immaculately. In any and all cases, well done.
Very informative. Thank you for your time and work.
I can’t be the only one who thought of the “silver bullet”
Please note HEAT rounds do not penetrate by melting armor. The penetration is by kinetic energy.
Wasnt the super pershing at 6:45 a one off modification during war? The crew cut up found panther and added its armour to help the tank.
That's actually what the super Pershing was pretty much it was a failed project that has only 2 total kills neither of which were king tigers
The Army wasn't interested in using the Super Pershing so Ordnance allowed Lt. Belton Cooper to add armor where he felt it needed more. Cooper complained during the war about the thin armor on US tanks so also grumbled the M26's. Cooper stacked layers on the hull glacis and added more to the front of the turret that added 5 tons of weight that made the tank nose heavy. Cooper was going to add more in the back to "balance" the tank but was told to stop since the engineers feared additional weight would ruin the transmission. It crawled off to the front where it hit 2 targets 1500 meters away that resembled tanks before being knocked out by a Panzer 4 that put a shot thru the side of the hull. The tank was last seen at a salvage yard waiting to be cut up for scrap.
I thought the thing was with the M1 was that the tank originally had the 105mm gun but by the time the Gulf War came around they had already refitted a good deal of them with the M256 120mm gun which is still used on it today.
If I am not mistaken,the thumbnail id from Museum In czech rebublic in Lešany...i was there and tey had a thick "plate" with the shell in it
Cumulative projectiles do not burn through armor, but penetrate, relying on the kinetic energy of the cumulative jet, which has a speed of about 10 kilometers per second, or hypersonic speed at the time of explosion.
A new technology called electric reactive armour (also termed electromagnetic reactive armour, or colloquially as electric armour) is in development. This armour is made up of two or more conductive plates separated by an air gap or by an insulating material, creating a high-power capacitor.[5][6][7][8][9] In operation, a high-voltage power source charges the armour. When an incoming body penetrates the plates, it closes the circuit to discharge the capacitor, dumping a great deal of energy into the penetrator, which may vaporize it or even turn it into a plasma, significantly diffusing the attack. It is not public knowledge whether this is supposed to function against both kinetic energy penetrators and shaped charge jets, or only the latter. This technology has not yet been introduced on any known operational platform.
Another electromagnetic alternative to ERA uses layers of plates of electromagnetic metal with silicone spacers on alternate sides. The damage to the exterior of the armour passes electricity into the plates causing them to magnetically move together. As the process is completed at the speed of electricity the plates are moving when struck by the projectile causing the projectile energy to be deflected whilst the energy is also dissipated in parting the magnetically attracted plates.
Damned. In my day, we just tried to squeeze off a nice shot at heads poking up a distance with M16s. You younger warriors have really thought things through! But seriously, thank you for your service. Continue to be the total bad-ass I suspect you are.
Thanks guys, that was great and really informative!
In 1917 the British Royal Armouries tested captured German anti-tank weapons and ammunition versus the Harveyised rolled steel armour being used on the British and French tanks in WW1.
Harveyised armour (1865) was a process of burying red hot steel plates in carbon granules and leaving it to cool over a long period of time, which allowed the carbon to be absorbed into the surfaces of the steel plates and increasing the hardness. On the downside it is very prone to spalling. It also cannot be drilled or punched so all holes have to be created before the process takes place.
In 1921, when rolled and cast homogenous armour first appeared, they revisited these weapons again in tests for a comparison and measure of improvements in this armour protection advancement.
(Vertical test targets at 100 yards range).
Harveyised plate Rolled Homogenous plate
Mauser 7.92mm. rifle AP K bullet: Up to 19mm. Up to 13mm.
Mauser 13mm. anti-tank rifle AP bullet: Up to 30mm. Up to 21mm.
Andy Reid I don’t get it
vVv shaggy Neither do I. The information was very interesting but I didn't understand the presentation of the results. I also found the information to be very helpful as I am interested in welding and blacksmithing.
@@brendanngin9939 I was demonstrating that a change in the technology of the AFV armour material has already confronted anti-armour weapons developers in the 1920's with the invention of very high nickel content rolled homogeneous armour.
RHA gives more protection for the same thickness as WW1 era Harveyised armour (invented 1871).
Modern day armour materials give considerable increases in protection compared to WW2 FHRHA.
Progress is measured against what preceded an improvement.
I believe that the angle of the turret front of the Challenger 2 is just part of the cosmetic shell. From what I've been told underneath it's much flatter like the Abrams.
We just need to equip all tanks with PlOt ArmOuR, then they will be invincible 😜
Very old but seing those big holes on T-34's or Shermans,done by German simple APCR shells,are awesome.
interesting info BUT If I'm ever caught on the wrong end of a firing tank, I hope the shells are as far over my head as your explanation of tank ammunition. ;o)
If you are just call a A10 Warthog. It's your best friend and warthogs go Kyle angry when they see tank and smash it like drywall.
Nice video thanks also ceramic layer with rubber layer also putting for tank armors especially in Soviet authority in 1980 to 1990
How have you not done this video yet!?
Great video, guys keep bringing it ...
don't mind me i'm just sitting here thinking about how a few wwII time travelers would love to have their hands on this video to bring it back to their own time....
blackdeath, I accidentally time traveled from the year 200000019 back to what you call "now." Can't believe our species survived the Obama Administration... funny and you all know it!. Yes, believe it or not, it was Trump who saved humanity. lol, ok, just funning with you guys. But, admit it, that was kinda funny, right?
@@danmurray1143 cheers Dan the man
Thanks Matsimus for introducing me to TSK
He didn’t say Mission Failed We’ll Get Em Next Time :(
Bacon Dom lol
AWESOME!!!! Thx, it was really interesting and even funny!!! So, at Koala (you got a Abo since a while) and at Matsimus (You get it now), keep on and it would be interesting, to see more of your collaboration! Even from you both alone! Well, THX a lot!!! :)
Yeah tanks are fun, until its time for maintenance. Sooooo much maintenance. Btw congrats on joining the rca. Its my uncles old regiment. I was a strat myself.
@@HanSolo__ you sound like you might be in procurement lmao!!!!
In my time with the tankers, as a field artillery officer, they spent 90% of their time working on those iron chariots... Mid to late 1990s anyway. Sincerely, thank you for your service my brother-in-arms. [Assumes the ridged position of attention and salutes].
Some armour piercing rounds work like shaped charges that they use in demolition to slice through steel beams, they shoot a thin jet of molten copper through the steel
13:38 when you fire on a Tiger and it didn't penetrate.
My Opa was a Panzerjager in the 8th PD. At the end of the war he was in the Panzerjager IV L/70. He told me after one battle it looked like a pig was slaughtered in the tank. What happened was the shells hit his tank and didn’t go through. But the armor would flake off and fly through the tank like razor blades cutting anyone in the way. They were all bleeding , but ok.
11:36
putting all the ammo in the front with no additional protection
great job Germany
Explains how they lost two world wars :P
@@komradearti9935
#1) lower plate
#2) high pen ammunition
Love the vid. Great work !
4:12 "As these chemical warheads don'r rely on kinetic energy....."
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lol ;D
Lmfao
Very good info in this video! 👏🏼😎
Great colab guys.
Now if only this could apply to MY tank in War Thunder. I'll be in my big bias russian T44-100 and will be able to be pinned in the front by a BT5
Places a banana peel in front of your tracks.... "Victory is Mine!" [Stewie from Family Guy reference]. Hope this translates into Russian.
Это смешно и ты это знаешь
Because russian bias is nonexistent, so American tanks are superior to Russian tanks.
The 115mm tank gun is smooth bore not rifles but I do love this channel no matter what
You should talk about NERA (non explosive reactive armor)
That would be NxRA. NERA is non energetic reactive armor.
@@jonny2954 'Energetic' by definition is 'Explosive' when talking about armor. NERA is just a special HDPE-RHA sandwich.
@@AverageJoe8686 NERA and NxRA work differently.
@@jonny2954 They don't work differently according to the Patent. NxRA is just NERA with a special filler instead of plain rubber. But they are basically the same thing.
C. Non-Explosive Reactive Armor (NxRA):
[0011] Non-Explosive Reactive Armor provides a comparable efficiency to SLERA, comparable survivability to NERA (see below), and excellent multiple-hit capability against hollow charge warheads. NxRA's advantages over other reactive armor technologies are that it is totally passive and has substantially better efficiency than NERA.Energetic materials for NxRA are disclosed for example in [bla bla bla].
D. Non-Energetic Reactive Armor (NERA):
[0012] Non-Energetic Reactive Armor has limited efficiency against hollow charges. NERA's advantage is that it is totally passive and thus provides excellent survivability and maximal multiple-hit capability, comparable to NxRA.
[0013] It is an object of the present invention to provide a non-explosive energetic material suitable for NxRA which does not contain explosive material and fulfills its protective function (high efficiency and high survivability of the armor), whilst the non-explosive energetic material lowers the requirements of transportation and logistics according to various standards e.g. UN regulations as appearing in the Recommendations on the Transport of Dangerous Goods.
[0014] It is a further object of the present invention to provide an armor element fitted for such an energetic material and where the armor is of comparable efficiency to SLERA and of comparable survivability to NERA.
@@AverageJoe8686 The part you cited literally says nothing about how the armors work respectively. Yes, NxRA has a different filler, and this filler is changing how the armor behaves when hit, meaning how it works.
In NERA, you have layers which 'transfer' energy from front plate to backplate -and this backplate is moving and damaging the SC jet or penetrator rod. In NERA armour this layer is passive, not active - it only transfer energy between metal layers.
In NxRA, you have layers which are non explosive but reactive. This layer changes its volume during transfer of energy from first to second metal layer of the array -so BOTH thin metal plates start to move and both metal plates are damaging the SC jet or penetrator. The movement is much faster in NxRA.
Excellent Video guys look forward to more in this line
Glass plate armor was abandoned primarily because it required replacement of large sections to repair damage which could be difficult, time consuming and costly depending on access to and modularity of the armor sections. Other kinds of composite armor were somewhat easier to maintain. It still has the potential for practical use in smaller modular pieces if that was incorporated into some design. Fiberglass armor on the other hand has grown in popularity because of its particular characteristics being a reasonable trade off against most threats.
Fiberglass armor is superior to solid in that cracks are not propagated.
That face appearing on the top right hand corner after the explosion is too funny
Something that I've never seen mentioned on You tube is the fact that the Sabot petals can be extremely deadly to friendly troops in front of the tank. OUCH!
Hell, yes!
Not really an issue as tanks would drive ahead of their troops when engaging the enemy.
Else they would be firing through their own troops 🤪🤪
@@armyreservist0 They tend to move together, with troops on the watch for anti-tank weapons while tank fires machine-guns over their heads. Troops look around and behind obstacles that may conceal enemies with missile launchers.
@@armyreservist0 depends on the country. some country's doctrines have the troops scout in front of the tank
Andrew Gillis The muzzle blast itself is a reason not to stand front of a gun.
Love the vid, keep up the good contents Mat