At least he gave credit and to the right person. That's more than what usually happens. Not that it's perfect but an improvement to stealing it and making a fortune of it by claiming ownership.
:( And it is still on his public LinkedIN profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sadlerjoe/ Quote: "For his senior thesis Sadler created the "controversial" COEXIST logo, which was soon after embraced by Bono and U2 on their Vertigo Tour.
indigenous peoples: this is my land colonials: this is your land? Indigenous peoples: yes, this is my land colonials: THINKS LONG AND HARD....this is my land
+CJ I'd say it's more of the capitalist mentality of "look, something that's really marketable yet meaningful is in the public domain, let's claim it as our own but strip it of its meaning so it's even more marketable then sell it at an inflated rate"
I think life is worse when you have to tell people you have a lifestyle design degree. It'd be a much bigger punishment to make them get the degree tattooed on their arm.
+Noor A. If you go to Purdue (like I do), you're kind of obligated to piss on IU. In state rivalry, and all. IU is actually a decent school, but as a university it has a number of bullshit majors, like the one these kids got.
Haha okay. Because I live in Indiana and was contemplating whether to go to Purdue or IU. I'm still a junior in high school but in the fall I'll be applying to both universities.
O man... I cant agree with you anymore... Programming is not easy... My friend right now is trying to learn programming to be better than me but I feel he will find out its not as easy as he thinks.
Holsonfront I'm typically not a fan of people who are super outward about their politics. Like we all have our political opinions, but for the sake of true coexistence, let's not bring it up until necessary, right?
WOAH there hippie! When I said "coexist" I meant ONLY those 3 were allowed to exist, get that other bullshit outta here! Coexistence requires war and intolerance.
@@Anonarchist I'm pretty sure he just meant that the hippie symbol makes no sense there, hippies aren't a religion and no one has ever really had a problem coexisting with hippies.
The design he created was much simpler, neater, and significantly better and made from a creative mind, not just slapped together with a bunch of symbol like others that plagiarized his work
True. The add ons didn't completely make sense even. Who's attacking the hippies or yin yang sign? With the original it says something about a serious conflict. It tries to reach the people who need to hear it. That gets lost in the other symbols.
I was going to adjust the statement by saying that "better can be the enemy of good," ... But that would prove the first statement because the second is not much better than the first.
+RaDnWave It's like saying if it's not broke, don't fix it. Just because someone thinks it MIGHT be better, when it was never bad to begin with, they might end up just ruining it.
War On drUgs Hmm. Alright, thank you. I can see now why it can be a bad thing. Not every improvement is a bad thing, but some things are better to be left alone. :)
Woah! I really dig this guy's other poster designs. I like what was said about it emphasizing color and organic design. Is there a specific name for this movement/genre of art? I'd like to look more into it! It feels really familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I would recommend just searching for Polish Poster art to start - it's really fun to see original posters as well as awesome looking movie posters made by Polish designers. - Phil
You can also try looking for some examples in polish, just google: "polska szkoła plakatu". You'll be shocked by meaningful and artistic posters which were made by Poles for all the classic american films.
For the style see above, for similarities search for serigraph printing, which should be the printing process behind these poster. It gives it another distinctiv character, mainly used for artist purpose or special effect printing today (because cost =/= value).
I really cringed at the Bono part. Him repeating "Jesus, Jew, Mohammed" just seemed like he had no idea of Judaism. He didn't know the major prophet of the Jews, so he just said Jew instead. It just tells me he never actually looked into the complex relationships between religious groups and thinks everything could be solved with catchphrases.
Generation Cinema To me, it's the equivalent of when someone says they are colour-blind when it comes to someone's race. It's great you want even to view each other as equals, but in reality, you are keeping minorities in under-privileged situations. You need to recognize racial disparities in order to fix it. Saying "can't we just all get along" is telling people to shut up about their problems because it is seen as stirring up the peace. This is why I have a problem with catchphrase based solutions. More often than not, it's hurting the under-privilege and helping the privilege. This is coming from a guy who makes fun of the SJW mentality. However, this is one area I believe they are right.
You mean typical moronic leftist arts student that's too lazy to come up with his own vacuous logo/slogan. What on earth is a 'lifestyle design degree'?
Yeah I prefer the original design. The point was very clear and specific as it was targeting the 3 abrahamic religions who have been well lets face it, killing each other since whoever had the bright idea to come up with those beliefs in the first place. The newer version mucks it up and it looks a bit too jumbled. Still a good message though.
The fact each religion has been coexisting makes this almost unnecessary. People need to learn that you can't force people to be on board with everything so these campaigns are useless. If they kill each other off who really cares? After all each religion was piggy backed off of each other to become dominant. And no I am definitely not an atheist nor a theist.
"If they kill each other off who really cares?" A lot of people care. We are talking about other human beings here. Families torn apart because of a difference in faith. And in the case of the Abrahamic faiths, a difference in who is the most notable prophet. The same god, three different names. Three different names that have torn apart families for centuries. Religion is not going to be something that goes away (and if we get into that debacle we must ask if the eradication of religion would necessarily be a good thing. Whilst religion has been a justification of war, generally the religious reasons have merely been a ruse for political or financial reasons) but we can try to get people to get along. To get families from not being torn apart. So who cares? Probably the families that would fall victim to being torn apart if we don't learn to accept one another for our differences. But it's easy to say we shouldn't care when it isn't your family that might be one of the victims. I recommend you check out the poem "First they came" by Frank Niemoller.
@ Don'tAsk ... You know that atheist means not theist? So, if you are not a theist, you can't be not not a theist. Maybe you mean you're undecided, but just saying...
His original is a so much cleaner and minimalistic design. It also has a message anchored in a more specific problem and not the more tenuous "peace and love everywhere".
I think that's called neoliberalism. Where any type of injustice or inequality is just used as an opportunity to manufacture products and sell to exploit people's need to feel as if they are making a change. Ultimately they perpetuate the inequality by wanting to "buy" change
There's a difference between bias and presenting half-assed arguments that are easily debunked. That only insults the viewer's intelligence and borders on propaganda and indoctrination, which journalism should be the cure for.
But yeah no, there will be more garbage videos, they just take turns posting their own vids. See if you can guess which ones are made by a feminist... (hint: it's the ones that have shitty to no editing, and ramble on about basically nothing and lies for like 15 minutes)
Why do ultra conservative people bother to watch videos by Vox, Seeker Daily, School of Life, Buzzfeed, Vice etc. if they're just going to complain about how it's "too liberal"? Go somewhere else then. And if there aren't any conservative info channels out there go make your own. You're not so important that people need to make videos catering to your perspective. Literally Go. Some. Where. Else.
God damn did you miss the point? Hes asking a question; why do they continue to watch channels they hate? He's not saying they *can't* do it, because obviously they can and hes not doing any thing to stop them. He also didn't even hint at being offended, sounds to me like *your* the one offended at basic reasoning skills.
because im not ignorant, i look at both sides of a story before i make my decision on what side to take and i dont just look at my side of the argument as if there isnt another side to the argument and its good to know what people who disagree with u think so that u can discuss topics with them
Because the topics are pretty good and I can't figure out why they feel an incessant need to spread liberally biased propaganda and pass it off as "fact". Not everyone is smart enough to know bullshit when they hear it. Oh, and I'm a Libertarian.
Dr. Phil Then who designed your phone? Or your desktop? That book over there? Who constructed the house you live in? Who whatever statues and monuments your city has? Who draws comics and graphic novels? And who writes them? Who makes the illustrations to help explain things better? Who makes the movies you watch? The music you listen to? Or even that advert you had to watch? Who wrote any interesting book or series you might have watched Yep, artists. And that's not all that they do and it doesn't even approach what influence the works of the long dead as well as the still alive have on the economy, the culture, public perception and just overall the live of the people. True, art isn't the only influence, but it's not as useless as it may seem at first and it doesn't take too much knowledge about the history of art (be it written, drawn, as music, dance, what have you) to know that it was-and is-to see that the presumption of inutility isn't justified in the slightest.
I suppose both us and myself. I get that art is subjective and I cannot deny anyone their experience. I just wanted to balance the discussion by making my opinion known also. *** OMG I have clear written too much don't read past this if you don't care =P *** us as conscious beings that create barriers in our minds that aren't limited to religion but also include nations race gender. I feel that by broadening the scope with the addition of more symbols it suggests that we should be giving attention to how we feel/think and how this shapes how we view others and their cultures. An analogy would be trying to treat the individual barriers is very important and needs to be done but is like treating the symptoms. Where as looking at ourselves and trying to change how we think is more like treating the disease.
I think the most critical part about the new coexist compared to the original is that it adds a peace sign and the gender e. Adding to it, there is technically only supposed to be religious symbols on there from the original context. The additional context is still relevant on its own, especially in the west, promoting peace for lifestyle choice. The context changes from one of religious coexistence to a more general harmony. The original represented three religions that have seen strife for centuries, even if it wasn't all inclusive, religion was the focus. I don't think the message is diluted from adding more either. They both have their place.
I feel really irritated whenever I see the Coexist bumper sticker. It feels disrespectful, throwing the sacred symbols of various belief systems in a row to make a neat font. I know it sounds silly. We should be able to coexist and be kind to each other. But his original work makes much more sense. It sends a specific message about conflict in the Middle East. His work is so much better than that dumb bumper sticker.
+jinitron its not about the Middle East being the center of the universe, it's about the Middle East being the topic that the artist was addressing. it would be kind of like somebody taking the painting of Washington Crossing the Delaware and tossing in a British flag because the British were involved (not a perfect analogy, but the best one I can think of atm)
Look at how many nations' flags are based on the design of the British flag. I am not religious, so my opinion is biased, but I do not see how using religious symbolism to convey coexistence is disrespectful. Most of those symbols already share a connected history with one another.
I agree that the original is better, but for a different reason. I simply think it is much more attractive. I think the "e" in the coexist looks hideously ugly and cannot stand the look of it as a result.
Try again. You patent designs, trademark logos and names, and copyright basically anything that uses words. I'm not sure how video falls under copyright, but it does too.
This is mostly correct. Copyright isn't limited to anything that uses words. The requirements for a valid copyright are 1) an original work of authorship; 2) fixed in a tangible medium of expression. That's pretty much it. There used to be formalities required by the law, but not anymore. Your copyright attaches as soon as those requirements are met. 17 USC sec. 102(a) provides a non-exhaustive list of copyrightable subject matter, and includes: literary works, musical works, dramatic works, pantomimes and choreographic works, pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works, motion pictures and other audiovisual works, sound recordings, and architectural works.
it makes me uncomfortable how religions can't really co-exist, because they contradict each other. We pretend to be accepting of all beliefs, but we secretly believe that everyone else is wrong. How much longer will this go on until there is another religious war?
"We pretend to be accepting of all beliefs," I am universally accepting of whatever bullshit people need to believe so that they can function as an active part of society. You are asking too much if you expect the majority to be higher thinkers that don't need religion to deal with the voice in their head.
Snopes thinks the Boston bombers rumor is false -- probably the result of confusing two different Mercedes seen in manhunt footage. A sedan has the "Coexist" bumper sticker, but the bombers hijacked an SUV.
"Did you know that whenever you write a poem or story or even a paper for your class, or a drawing or other artwork, you automatically own the copyright to it...The copyright in a work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created it at the moment it is put into fixed form. No one but the author can claim copyright to the work, unless the author grants rights to others in a written agreement (such as to the author's publisher or record company). Usually, you can tell who the author of a work is -- the person who created it." IE isnt that Polish guy still the copywrite holder, regardless of who got the legal copywrite. He can easily prove its creation, so it's still his. No?
I really like the original artists work. Post soviet Eastern European artwork is some of my favorite stuff. There is an amazing building covered with this type of art in Ljubljana Slovenia. The building is a compound composed of a hostel, a music venue, and I believe it also has an art gallery. I had the pleasure of playing there in 2016, and I wish one day to go back because that city is gorgeous, and the art is even better.
"It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and are still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today." P.S. Get your facts straight. It's used today by Muslim countries, but that's not the same as calling it the symbol of Islam, like the star of David is the symbol of Judaism.
The point of art is for the viewer to interpret it and relate it to his/her life. I understand his frustration about not getting his due credit and the "defacing" of his creation but it's helping spread positivity and love all around. I can't believe that something that denotes good and equality has so much controversy and hate surrounding its creation.
I think the new coexist symbol is an improvement over the original. However, the way this public domain beauty became a plagiarized example of what is wrong in this world is a tragedy.
In India our ansisters have ways belong to different religions. From ancient times we have diversity and have always learned to coexist as 'ONE' Indian and human . Practically it is 'India ' only if it is diverse. You can even find both siblings belonging to different religions. Its amazing to have diversity.
so i was fine and see "Coexist" and then there is a fight, anxiety, anger, sadness and ditching for something i didnt know until 5mins back. good work VOX
His surename is spelled Młodożeniec. Młody means "young" and "żenić się" means "to marry", together it means "the one who married young". Just a fun fact, I think polish names are quit beautiful :D Also I like how big of a man he is. I would proppably try to sue them... :D
I try and stay ahead of the curve. Instead of a coexist bumber sticker, I'm going to start selling stickers that say, "I don't mind black people" and "I don't hate jews" Coexist for me is something that shouldn't have to be said.
If you want a lot of youtube views, you could always just walk around any major American city with a shirt that says "I don't mind black people". And good luck to you.
Its not very specific. If I walked around with a shirt that said "I want world peace", it'd deliver a different message then "blacks and whites are the same".
+Tuko Pomwene citizens who are ignorant of the issues around the matter on which they speak, yet somehow still feel they're entitled to speak on it without doing any research piss me off.
As Christian I see no problem with other religions coexisting. There's always going to be people who disagree. I'm not spreading hate. There is always a few bad apples. God bless everyone! I say this in regard of the comments
You say that now because Christianity is the largest and most powerful religion - so you can afford to be magnanimous. But Islam will very soon take over and become the largest world religion. When that happens and they start to use their size to influence law and culture will your attitude remain the same?
Christianity has been alive and well there is always dark times. I'm not worried about Islam I don't feel persecuted. I was an atheist once. I don't spread hate just love that's all. God bless you guys! I'm not hurting anyone with my beliefs you can all get offended that's okay
My God is not a murdered. My God Is just and loving. I suggest you visit a church or something they will explain the old and New Testament . Have a wonderful day guys!
I don’t see how the symbols are nonsensical like this Vox video claims. If the symbols are inaccurate, then that would be a problem, but what’s wrong with a more inclusive design? And apparently the big problem was that the musician used a trademarked design, not the fact that they wore religious symbols on their forehead. Wow, Vox. Wow.
I still rep the coexist bumper stickers, I'm happy to know the history of the stickers, I keep coming back to this video from time-to-time. Made me a more-or-less fan of piotr mlodozenie.
As an artist and graphic designer myself, I understand his pain so much!!! It sucks so much to have someone take something and claim it as their own or their idea. You dont get payed or get asked for permission and then they change it like.
Yeah that part of the video didn't really have a cogent argument. "Be careful when you change something because you will make it worse than the original" ... so everything you do is 100% perfect the first time? The changed symbol is meant to be more meme-worthy and ideologically diverse, in both these respects it succeeds.
Because they're the ones who need it the most. LOL Pretty much all other religions have learned to coexist centuries ago. Mostly because most of them are polytheistic or universalist by default.
Holsonfront Gender isn't really a big problem for other religions either. Problems with gender and sexuality is almost exclusively Abrahamic. Go figure.
Trademarking something that's not yours, suing everyone into the ground, and selling shirts at $58 a pop is the complete opposite of Coexisting.
Coexist? Naw, Capitalist!
+Leighton Gore Naw, copyright infringement and exploitation
or it doesn't matter
+tytube3001
The most shittiest state is Mississippi.
It's so ironically capitalist it hurts.
This man deserves a gigantic compensation.
why?
@QPHashSS77 EXACTLY✅💯
@@nothanniballecktor9633 well you make it first. Like Bell phone patent or Tesla later recognition in the invention of the radio.
QPHashSS77 ideas are a dime a dozen, labor is what makes them work. And my labor value is stolen by capitalism every day.
@@nothanniballecktor9633 labor doesnt determine the value. People preferences does.
fighting over the coexistence sentiment. How tragically human
I think it is fair to say that you can coexist without illegally distributing someone elses intellectual property or art.
Hi xisuma loved your 500th special very good humor
+jon_dickens I know right
omg xisuma's here too
yeah.. prove that human will never be coexist..
I feel bad for this guy. its the worst feeling when someone steals your work
i cant believe that leader guy wore it as his headband and barely gave him any credit
At least he gave credit and to the right person. That's more than what usually happens. Not that it's perfect but an improvement to stealing it and making a fortune of it by claiming ownership.
Its like those kids that steal your joke in school.
@@BeaverChainsaw My exhusband was pretty notorious for doing that to me. Eughhhh.
It's not stealing as stealing means that they take something from him. It's called infringement.
Piotr: I made this
America: You made this?
Piotr: Yes, I made this
America: *thinks long and hard* ....I made this
:( And it is still on his public LinkedIN profile: www.linkedin.com/in/sadlerjoe/
Quote: "For his senior thesis Sadler created the "controversial" COEXIST logo, which was soon after embraced by Bono and U2 on their Vertigo Tour.
Andreas Hoppe
I'm rolling my eyes so hard.
Crooked cat
Lmao...accurate af.
indigenous peoples: this is my land
colonials: this is your land?
Indigenous peoples: yes, this is my land
colonials: THINKS LONG AND HARD....this is my land
Pretty much
make a sign for unity then people tear each other apart to trademark it....oh the Irony
Nothing more human than that, am I right!
Murica
@@dazza2350 always blame some citizens in m irca
this man should be compensated for his work. Sad how people rip of anyone if it means they can make money
+CJ I'd say it's more of the capitalist mentality of "look, something that's really marketable yet meaningful is in the public domain, let's claim it as our own but strip it of its meaning so it's even more marketable then sell it at an inflated rate"
I agree
I wholeheartedly agree!
yeah I feel a little mislead from the title now, lol. It's pretty sad that this man isn't more recognized in his industry.
You could always start a fund.
Wow I hope those college kids got their degree stripped. What disgusting behaviour
True, what they did was out right plagiarism! There degree should be taken.
+Mr. chair They're IU students, cause its not gonna be revoked.
I think life is worse when you have to tell people you have a lifestyle design degree. It'd be a much bigger punishment to make them get the degree tattooed on their arm.
+CTB it can be done depending on the organization
well, they already have student debt
"Jesus, Jew, Muhammed..."
Jew is my favorite religious figure in history, they really brighten my point of view in life
Abraham
+Soap Moses...
@@NoName-pi7ke then why in the world are we all fighting if we believe that the same Messiah will return?
Alexander Christopher
It’s like fight over Over Milk, slightly sweet milk, and low fat milk.
@@iel3070 jewish people do have messiah
“Oh, are you religious?”
“Yeah, I’m a Jew”
“Ah cool, I’m a Jesus”
Yeah brotha I'm a Muhammad
+Garrison Bradford samr
+Garrison Bradford same
Yee he should have said Moses
or yahweh
The university should take back their degrees if they earned it by plagiarism. They should also be made to turn over all profits.
what do you mean? does IU have any negative connotations attached?
+Noor A. If you go to Purdue (like I do), you're kind of obligated to piss on IU. In state rivalry, and all.
IU is actually a decent school, but as a university it has a number of bullshit majors, like the one these kids got.
Haha okay. Because I live in Indiana and was contemplating whether to go to Purdue or IU. I'm still a junior in high school but in the fall I'll be applying to both universities.
Noor A. Well the big question is what you want to major in.
dothedeed agreed htf are you gonna get rich off someone else's work then sue people.. Then again that's basically America in a nutshell
people should take graphic designers and programmers more seriously.
O man... I cant agree with you anymore... Programming is not easy... My friend right now is trying to learn programming to be better than me but I feel he will find out its not as easy as he thinks.
Unrelated fields??? I design web pages using graphic design knowledge and code using programming knowledge.
Unrelated!!
+Geometry Dash AJ213 I'm going to college to study programming, any tips?
+rama ken there are different types of programming, web design is only one of then
ConspiracyNova Use thenewboston.com/ to help you
They have VERY helpful videos on programming and a dedicated forums.
Ugh and now anyone who has a stupid COEXIST shirt or bumper sticker is a certified tool. That Bono part made me cringe so hard.
Pretty much anyone with a political bumper sticker or shirt is a tool in my book. The idea that you convince anyone to change their mind with
+Holsonfront it's to show support not to change anyone's mind
It is if their attitude is to not coexist, the point being that a lot of people are that way.
Uhohhotdog
Yeah, I get that. But it's so, so...lame.
Holsonfront
I'm typically not a fan of people who are super outward about their politics. Like we all have our political opinions, but for the sake of true coexistence, let's not bring it up until necessary, right?
"I will put the Hippie symbol on it."
couldn't have said better myself
Peace symbol is the best.
WOAH there hippie! When I said "coexist" I meant ONLY those 3 were allowed to exist, get that other bullshit outta here! Coexistence requires war and intolerance.
That's because they are the big ones who fight one another solely by its existence.
@@Anonarchist
I'm pretty sure he just meant that the hippie symbol makes no sense there, hippies aren't a religion and no one has ever really had a problem coexisting with hippies.
allah satangod you have bad grammar.
The design he created was much simpler, neater, and significantly better and made from a creative mind, not just slapped together with a bunch of symbol like others that plagiarized his work
True. The add ons didn't completely make sense even. Who's attacking the hippies or yin yang sign? With the original it says something about a serious conflict. It tries to reach the people who need to hear it. That gets lost in the other symbols.
"Better is the enemy of good". I like this sentence, but I don't know if it works every time
I was going to adjust the statement by saying that "better can be the enemy of good," ... But that would prove the first statement because the second is not much better than the first.
Don't let perfection be the enemy of good.
Care somebody to explain me why "better is the enemy of good?" If something is made better than the original, why is it a bad thing?
+RaDnWave It's like saying if it's not broke, don't fix it. Just because someone thinks it MIGHT be better, when it was never bad to begin with, they might end up just ruining it.
War On drUgs
Hmm. Alright, thank you. I can see now why it can be a bad thing. Not every improvement is a bad thing, but some things are better to be left alone. :)
I'm glad vox decided to tell this story
Same (:
Woah! I really dig this guy's other poster designs. I like what was said about it emphasizing color and organic design. Is there a specific name for this movement/genre of art? I'd like to look more into it! It feels really familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it.
I would recommend just searching for Polish Poster art to start - it's really fun to see original posters as well as awesome looking movie posters made by Polish designers. - Phil
You can also try looking for some examples in polish, just google: "polska szkoła plakatu". You'll be shocked by meaningful and artistic posters which were made by Poles for all the classic american films.
Thank you so much for the translation!!! I'll definitely do more research :)
Just google "Polish School of Posters"
For the style see above, for similarities search for serigraph printing, which should be the printing process behind these poster. It gives it another distinctiv character, mainly used for artist purpose or special effect printing today (because cost =/= value).
I really cringed at the Bono part. Him repeating "Jesus, Jew, Mohammed" just seemed like he had no idea of Judaism. He didn't know the major prophet of the Jews, so he just said Jew instead. It just tells me he never actually looked into the complex relationships between religious groups and thinks everything could be solved with catchphrases.
+James Bond Well Moses isn't the major prophet of Judaism dumbass, it's Abraham.
He only did it to rhyme, dummy.
What does it matter. HE was trying to raise awareness for a good mentality of coexistence. At least he tried.
Generation Cinema To me, it's the equivalent of when someone says they are colour-blind when it comes to someone's race. It's great you want even to view each other as equals, but in reality, you are keeping minorities in under-privileged situations. You need to recognize racial disparities in order to fix it. Saying "can't we just all get along" is telling people to shut up about their problems because it is seen as stirring up the peace.
This is why I have a problem with catchphrase based solutions. More often than not, it's hurting the under-privilege and helping the privilege.
This is coming from a guy who makes fun of the SJW mentality. However, this is one area I believe they are right.
***** I just think his heart was in the right place with it.
Yes the well known gender "e".....truly an internationally recognised symbol.
Markipliersexual
It should be e=mc²
Its the church of England
E
E
1:50 Classic America. Steal something, and claim it as your own.
Part of me feels like because it wasn't invented in the West, we didn't care.
You mean typical moronic leftist arts student that's too lazy to come up with his own vacuous logo/slogan. What on earth is a 'lifestyle design degree'?
Cause your content is so original mate
The world is ours! God bless America! We do what we want no matter how much the rest of the world hates it.
Then sue everyone
Yeah I prefer the original design. The point was very clear and specific as it was targeting the 3 abrahamic religions who have been well lets face it, killing each other since whoever had the bright idea to come up with those beliefs in the first place. The newer version mucks it up and it looks a bit too jumbled. Still a good message though.
The fact each religion has been coexisting makes this almost unnecessary. People need to learn that you can't force people to be on board with everything so these campaigns are useless. If they kill each other off who really cares? After all each religion was piggy backed off of each other to become dominant. And no I am definitely not an atheist nor a theist.
Hit the dab
"If they kill each other off who really cares?"
A lot of people care. We are talking about other human beings here. Families torn apart because of a difference in faith. And in the case of the Abrahamic faiths, a difference in who is the most notable prophet. The same god, three different names. Three different names that have torn apart families for centuries. Religion is not going to be something that goes away (and if we get into that debacle we must ask if the eradication of religion would necessarily be a good thing. Whilst religion has been a justification of war, generally the religious reasons have merely been a ruse for political or financial reasons) but we can try to get people to get along. To get families from not being torn apart.
So who cares? Probably the families that would fall victim to being torn apart if we don't learn to accept one another for our differences. But it's easy to say we shouldn't care when it isn't your family that might be one of the victims.
I recommend you check out the poem "First they came" by Frank Niemoller.
holy crap james bond.
@ Don'tAsk ... You know that atheist means not theist? So, if you are not a theist, you can't be not not a theist. Maybe you mean you're undecided, but just saying...
His original is a so much cleaner and minimalistic design. It also has a message anchored in a more specific problem and not the more tenuous "peace and love everywhere".
Goes to show that you may be able to coexist but you are not able to escape capitalism. Respect to the original designer
A capitalist would have just shot the people who trademarked his art, violation of the NAP, and all.
@@lordprotector4266 *libertarian
@@curtisburner6203 both left and right
@@pedropedrohan102 Horseshoe detected
@@michaelliu8887 whot
How could those American students trademark a design that wasn't theirs?
Also, "lifestyle design degree".... WTF
Also, Bono.... WTF
I just always found it bothersome that companies just profit from people's hippi-ness. Feels like it isn't genuine at some point.
You know that those Guy Fawkes masks right? They're all mass-produced in china. How's that revolution for yah?
It's been going pretty well.
We get all the good music on this side of things.
I think that's called neoliberalism. Where any type of injustice or inequality is just used as an opportunity to manufacture products and sell to exploit people's need to feel as if they are making a change. Ultimately they perpetuate the inequality by wanting to "buy" change
Watch the Burt's Bees documentary. It's worse.
Well yeah, corporations are the exact opposite of what the hippies were about.
Poor guy. I really just want him get adequate recompense for his work. Thieves are the worst.
0:38 That kid XD
😂😂😂😂
'dziendobry!'
What's a minecraft TH-camr doing here? 😂😂
cute kid
ecks dee xDddxddXDd
Silly artists, don't you know that copyright law was made to protect mickey mouse and not the little guy trying to make a living ?
He should probably have copyrighted it under creative commons... Just to make sure bullshit like this cannot be pulled off.
thoses mickey mouse copyright laws are going to expire soon
@Al X. Andra he hated it until it became convenient for himself
@Al X. Andra The Lion King is just Hamlet with lions.
So when you buy a sticker you are not even supporting the artist you are paying theives
A non biased vox video? who got fired? keep it up.
Yes!
hahaha well played
They kept my sub for another week.
There's a difference between bias and presenting half-assed arguments that are easily debunked. That only insults the viewer's intelligence and borders on propaganda and indoctrination, which journalism should be the cure for.
But yeah no, there will be more garbage videos, they just take turns posting their own vids. See if you can guess which ones are made by a feminist... (hint: it's the ones that have shitty to no editing, and ramble on about basically nothing and lies for like 15 minutes)
Why do ultra conservative people bother to watch videos by Vox, Seeker Daily, School of Life, Buzzfeed, Vice etc. if they're just going to complain about how it's "too liberal"? Go somewhere else then. And if there aren't any conservative info channels out there go make your own. You're not so important that people need to make videos catering to your perspective. Literally Go. Some. Where. Else.
We coexist bruh
God damn did you miss the point? Hes asking a question; why do they continue to watch channels they hate? He's not saying they *can't* do it, because obviously they can and hes not doing any thing to stop them. He also didn't even hint at being offended, sounds to me like *your* the one offended at basic reasoning skills.
because im not ignorant, i look at both sides of a story before i make my decision on what side to take and i dont just look at my side of the argument as if there isnt another side to the argument and its good to know what people who disagree with u think so that u can discuss topics with them
+The True Endless Waltz firstly isnt a word the correct way of saying it would be first off or just first
Because the topics are pretty good and I can't figure out why they feel an incessant need to spread liberally biased propaganda and pass it off as "fact". Not everyone is smart enough to know bullshit when they hear it. Oh, and I'm a Libertarian.
I love his posters, they're so beautiful and lively. ^-^
All of you people don’t understand what art theift does to artists, it encourages them to never create anything
Not quite, but it does encourage paranoia and locking your creations away.
Lol no, people create art out of the creative spirit of their hearts, the need to express to others and to be recognised.
Not only, take it from me. That's one reason but there at least a dozen others.
Dr. Phil
Then who designed your phone?
Or your desktop?
That book over there?
Who constructed the house you live in? Who whatever statues and monuments your city has?
Who draws comics and graphic novels?
And who writes them?
Who makes the illustrations to help explain things better?
Who makes the movies you watch?
The music you listen to?
Or even that advert you had to watch?
Who wrote any interesting book or series you might have watched
Yep, artists.
And that's not all that they do and it doesn't even approach what influence the works of the long dead as well as the still alive have on the economy, the culture, public perception and just overall the live of the people.
True, art isn't the only influence, but it's not as useless as it may seem at first and it doesn't take too much knowledge about the history of art (be it written, drawn, as music, dance, what have you) to know that it was-and is-to see that the presumption of inutility isn't justified in the slightest.
@@fuckenps3 Lol no, thats why children make pictures out of macaroni. Artists make art to get paid.
"1998 Volvo that just cut you off"
No, mate. It's the late model Prius or Subaru that won't get out of the passing lane. Always.
Always seems to be a canvas top Jeep for me
😂🤣 with a Chinese driver smiling..
I NEVER saw that sign anywhere. Maybe coz I don't drive.
I'm glad he didn't add all those random signs
+jo mo mo I feel it becomes more relevant to us
I suppose both us and myself. I get that art is subjective and I cannot deny anyone their experience. I just wanted to balance the discussion by making my opinion known also.
*** OMG I have clear written too much don't read past this if you don't care =P ***
us as conscious beings that create barriers in our minds that aren't limited to religion but also include nations race gender. I feel that by broadening the scope with the addition of more symbols it suggests that we should be giving attention to how we feel/think and how this shapes how we view others and their cultures.
An analogy would be trying to treat the individual barriers is very important and needs to be done but is like treating the symptoms. Where as looking at ourselves and trying to change how we think is more like treating the disease.
I think the most critical part about the new coexist compared to the original is that it adds a peace sign and the gender e. Adding to it, there is technically only supposed to be religious symbols on there from the original context.
The additional context is still relevant on its own, especially in the west, promoting peace for lifestyle choice. The context changes from one of religious coexistence to a more general harmony.
The original represented three religions that have seen strife for centuries, even if it wasn't all inclusive, religion was the focus. I don't think the message is diluted from adding more either. They both have their place.
It's still a corny design with bullshit message.
Jubedube garbage.
I like the original. He's right, better spoils it.
This is super interesting. I had no idea about the origin of the sign. Huge respect to this guy!
I love how people are fighting about people stealing an art piece about coexistence
I feel really irritated whenever I see the Coexist bumper sticker. It feels disrespectful, throwing the sacred symbols of various belief systems in a row to make a neat font. I know it sounds silly. We should be able to coexist and be kind to each other. But his original work makes much more sense. It sends a specific message about conflict in the Middle East. His work is so much better than that dumb bumper sticker.
+jinitron its not about the Middle East being the center of the universe, it's about the Middle East being the topic that the artist was addressing.
it would be kind of like somebody taking the painting of Washington Crossing the Delaware and tossing in a British flag because the British were involved (not a perfect analogy, but the best one I can think of atm)
Look at how many nations' flags are based on the design of the British flag.
I am not religious, so my opinion is biased, but I do not see how using religious symbolism to convey coexistence is disrespectful. Most of those symbols already share a connected history with one another.
I agree that the original is better, but for a different reason. I simply think it is much more attractive. I think the "e" in the coexist looks hideously ugly and cannot stand the look of it as a result.
Melissa Jansen
I think it's really not a big deal to have a symbol, atleast for me. I don't know what Christians think and Jews too.
I have one mostly bc im a pacifist and believe all religions are equal
Sounds like we got a Fine Bros situation there. Bloody American law mate, what the heck?!
Just know it's better than France because we don't control what language goes on our radio.
+Ernesto Silva lol you think that's bad? try playing a game of cs:go and your whole team speaks only russian. that is the worst.
What? You copyright logos dude...
Try again. You patent designs, trademark logos and names, and copyright basically anything that uses words. I'm not sure how video falls under copyright, but it does too.
This is mostly correct. Copyright isn't limited to anything that uses words. The requirements for a valid copyright are 1) an original work of authorship; 2) fixed in a tangible medium of expression. That's pretty much it. There used to be formalities required by the law, but not anymore. Your copyright attaches as soon as those requirements are met.
17 USC sec. 102(a) provides a non-exhaustive list of copyrightable subject matter, and includes: literary works, musical works, dramatic works, pantomimes and choreographic works, pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works, motion pictures and other audiovisual works, sound recordings, and architectural works.
"Leader of U2, Mr. Bono."
Amazing.
Coexisting one of the many things humanaty dosen't understand.
Conflicting ideologies can't peacefully coexist.
We can probably get along once religion disappears
Ryan R
If religion disappears, people will argue about something else.
That and spelling too :)
human are designed for tribalism, working togheder only when they belive in the same things or they will fight over their totems
it makes me uncomfortable how religions can't really co-exist, because they contradict each other. We pretend to be accepting of all beliefs, but we secretly believe that everyone else is wrong. How much longer will this go on until there is another religious war?
jim bishop (another)
"We pretend to be accepting of all beliefs,"
I am universally accepting of whatever bullshit people need to believe so that they can function as an active part of society. You are asking too much if you expect the majority to be higher thinkers that don't need religion to deal with the voice in their head.
what do you mean another religious war? several are currently going on
***** Well you can get along, of course, but you still at some fundamental level believe they're wrong.
VisibleSigns Huh, while cliche, I actually understand what you're saying.
Polish poster design is such a fantastic topic! Thank you for mentioning it and doing this piece.
When I see people like him, I'm proud that I'm polish :)
+Angel Gutierrez *The land where Nazis invaded
You guys have Lewangoalski.
The Boston Bombers hijacked a car with that co-exist bumper sticker on it. Oh, the irony!
+AFGxMEBeast wtf
:)
Snopes thinks the Boston bombers rumor is false -- probably the result of confusing two different Mercedes seen in manhunt footage. A sedan has the "Coexist" bumper sticker, but the bombers hijacked an SUV.
Your daddies sauce?
...is what your father said.
"Did you know that whenever you write a poem or story or even a paper for your class, or a drawing or other artwork, you automatically own the copyright to it...The copyright in a work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created it at the moment it is put into fixed form. No one but the author can claim copyright to the work, unless the author grants rights to others in a written agreement (such as to the author's publisher or record company). Usually, you can tell who the author of a work is -- the person who created it."
IE isnt that Polish guy still the copywrite holder, regardless of who got the legal copywrite. He can easily prove its creation, so it's still his. No?
I really like the original artists work.
Post soviet Eastern European artwork is some of my favorite stuff.
There is an amazing building covered with this type of art in Ljubljana Slovenia. The building is a compound composed of a hostel, a music venue, and I believe it also has an art gallery.
I had the pleasure of playing there in 2016, and I wish one day to go back because that city is gorgeous, and the art is even better.
Vox videos are quickly becoming a firm favourite of mine, I love their aesthetic, and there informative reporting, often without opinion.
That crescent isn't actually an Islamic symbol.. Islam doesn't have a symbol. It's an Ottoman symbol.
Nope, that's the symbol. Unless you were trying to make a joke... Then it sucked d:
hey rifat! ( It's Omar)
yea we do, look at ramadan commercials
"It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and are still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today."
P.S. Get your facts straight. It's used today by Muslim countries, but that's not the same as calling it the symbol of Islam, like the star of David is the symbol of Judaism.
Omar Abdelhamid?
first thought that it's new doodle from Google, lol
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He's so cute! "Leader of U2, Mr Bono."
I swear I started seeing that bumper sticker pop up around 2003. I was living in a mega hippie town and it seemed like everyone had one.
"That Volvo that just cut you off"
This has been bugging me for so long! I'm not the only one who notices!
aw he seems like such a nice guy he doesn't deserve all that. he still needs more credit.
Legal fights aside, it is a great message. I love the bumper sticker.
They way Piotr says "Leader of U2, Mr.Bono" is just so hilarious to me for some reason.
The point of art is for the viewer to interpret it and relate it to his/her life. I understand his frustration about not getting his due credit and the "defacing" of his creation but it's helping spread positivity and love all around. I can't believe that something that denotes good and equality has so much controversy and hate surrounding its creation.
I think the new coexist symbol is an improvement over the original. However, the way this public domain beauty became a plagiarized example of what is wrong in this world is a tragedy.
ah...taking artists' work without permission or credit.. so classic
In India our ansisters have ways belong to different religions. From ancient times we have diversity and have always learned to coexist as 'ONE' Indian and human . Practically it is 'India ' only if it is diverse. You can even find both siblings belonging to different religions. Its amazing to have diversity.
so i was fine and see "Coexist" and then there is a fight, anxiety, anger, sadness and ditching for something i didnt know until 5mins back. good work VOX
His surename is spelled Młodożeniec. Młody means "young" and "żenić się" means "to marry", together it means "the one who married young". Just a fun fact, I think polish names are quit beautiful :D
Also I like how big of a man he is. I would proppably try to sue them... :D
I had never even seen that logo before
Same here 🙈
What???....... me neither
Same, maybe it's just a USA thing
I seem them a lot around central California. Primarily on electric cars and civics.
I don't where you're from but here in France some people used to write it on walls after the Paris terrorist attacks so it's a quite common logo.
0:40
No ones gonna talk about *this kid*
I'm about to
Naila Alam he said hello
No. Why?
I try and stay ahead of the curve. Instead of a coexist bumber sticker, I'm going to start selling stickers that say, "I don't mind black people" and "I don't hate jews"
Coexist for me is something that shouldn't have to be said.
Coexist is shorter. It encourages tolerance of Jewish people, African-Americans and everyone else.
If you want a lot of youtube views, you could always just walk around any major American city with a shirt that says "I don't mind black people". And good luck to you.
Thomas Patnode
What's wrong with using 'Coexist'?
Its not very specific. If I walked around with a shirt that said "I want world peace", it'd deliver a different message then "blacks and whites are the same".
I'm a Jew and can't stand any of you virtue signalers.
This design just won GOOGLE DOODLE
I am happy and Sad at the same time
really he can only blame himself, he should have obtained a patent for it
Trademark laws are not international. He may have it trademarked in Poland, but the US copyright system isn't necessarily compatible with that.
+Tuko Pomwene citizens who are ignorant of the issues around the matter on which they speak, yet somehow still feel they're entitled to speak on it without doing any research piss me off.
+Wish I were witty all men are entitled to speak on all things. Get over yourself
As Christian I see no problem with other religions coexisting. There's always going to be people who disagree. I'm not spreading hate. There is always a few bad apples. God bless everyone! I say this in regard of the comments
You say that now because Christianity is the largest and most powerful religion - so you can afford to be magnanimous. But Islam will very soon take over and become the largest world religion. When that happens and they start to use their size to influence law and culture will your attitude remain the same?
+dothedeed true
please i dont want blessing from your mass murdering god
Christianity has been alive and well there is always dark times. I'm not worried about Islam I don't feel persecuted. I was an atheist once. I don't spread hate just love that's all. God bless you guys! I'm not hurting anyone with my beliefs you can all get offended that's okay
My God is not a murdered. My
God Is just and loving. I suggest you visit a church or something they will explain the old and New Testament . Have a wonderful day guys!
DID THE KID IN THE CORNER SCARE ANYONE ELSE??
Piotr Mlodozeniec seems like a great humble guy. Cheers to him!
Petition to refer to Bono as "Leader of U2, Mr. Bono" everywhere from now on
The word coexistence is the one and only key to world PEACE. Jesus saves. I am muslim too by the way.
"The better is the enemy of the good"
"The big fight over Coexist" possibly the most ironic thing I've ever heard
One of your best, Vox.
I don’t see how the symbols are nonsensical like this Vox video claims. If the symbols are inaccurate, then that would be a problem, but what’s wrong with a more inclusive design?
And apparently the big problem was that the musician used a trademarked design, not the fact that they wore religious symbols on their forehead.
Wow, Vox. Wow.
Jesus, Jew, Muhammad. Uhmm let me see ..
3:38 In German this is called verschlimmbessern.
People with those bumper stickers always drive horrible and have old busted vehicles
So?
MusicMan 655
They drive horrible
For artists, getting your work stolen without credit or permission is a nightmare.
I still rep the coexist bumper stickers, I'm happy to know the history of the stickers, I keep coming back to this video from time-to-time. Made me a more-or-less fan of piotr mlodozenie.
How about we just get rid of religion all together
no
That isn't very coexistence of you
But there's no Atheist symbol. We must incorporate a Spaghetti Monster looking thingummie!
Oh, that's simple. You draw a plus sign, only you make the bottom line just a little longer. Also popular is the simple fish.
*simple fish _with legs_ ;)
PongoXBongo gg m8
Just have a little space in there.
"Co exist"
I thought it was a weird A
I guess they couldn't coexist.
Polish poster design history is actually my major. Loved the tidbit at the end. Can't wait to graduate and get my degree!
As an artist and graphic designer myself, I understand his pain so much!!! It sucks so much to have someone take something and claim it as their own or their idea. You dont get payed or get asked for permission and then they change it like.
0:40
D Ź I E Ń D O B R Y
What a sweet little kid he has
This made me really sick to my stomach. :(
This hurt to watch!
I clicked this 5+ times. 💀
The newer renditions seem better to me. Why limit it to the Judeo-Christian religions?
Yeah that part of the video didn't really have a cogent argument. "Be careful when you change something because you will make it worse than the original" ... so everything you do is 100% perfect the first time? The changed symbol is meant to be more meme-worthy and ideologically diverse, in both these respects it succeeds.
Because they're the ones who need it the most. LOL Pretty much all other religions have learned to coexist centuries ago. Mostly because most of them are polytheistic or universalist by default.
+Angreh Kittunz Taoist's didn't crucify buhhda and Hindus didn't prevent buhhdists to go to their holy cites.
Yeah, well when you're picking symbols to spell a word your choices are pretty limited, lol. The general idea of "ideological tolerance" still holds.
Holsonfront Gender isn't really a big problem for other religions either. Problems with gender and sexuality is almost exclusively Abrahamic. Go figure.
My art teacher used to have a magnet of this on her file cabinet and I used to think it said “Geologist”
Very interesting, I had no idea that a designer from my country was the original author!
Not volvo, subaru
If you're going to call out Montpelier, VT, at least make sure you're pronouncing it correctly.
I like this studies into random crap haha
Love the coda at the end about the poster design. Phil always makes fascinating videos! You have a great team at Vox.
I don't know how true the video is. But sounds good. It seems the world desires this very much.
2:51 he was saying jesus, jews, mohamed
it's actually god, god, god
you disgust me
“Jesus… erm……… Jew! Mohamed.” - Bono