Would you rather drive 100 miles in a Toyota Corolla or a Ford F-150 Lightning? www.carmax.com/articles/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-electric-car
Aaaaaaaand they stopped making lightning’s due to battery issues. Womp womp. Also, what is really important is total cost of ownership. So lowest trim of Lightning is 50,000 more than Corolla. That difference is more than TEN YEARS of maintenance and repairs in addition to another 5-10kin gasoline. Yeah, no, the Lightning loses until at least 10 years of ownership.
I got , gas, diesel and a tesla, in my f-150 I spend on gas a month $1,300 , same on my f-250, but with my tesla mode Y $200, my f-150 cost me almost $15,000 a year in 50,000 miles, my tesla in one year 30,000 miles only $1,500 usd, and 0.0 maintanance, only tires, and my f-150 maintanance $2,500 oil change and tunup... big diference, but I got the "best of both worlds" I dont know why the hate???? I got muy old mustang 5.0 and I love the sound, but I love the speed in my tesla.....
Average price currently for electricity in my city is 38c/kWh per EnergySage (which may not have the new increases that took effect on March 1, 2024). Cost of gas is $4.50/gallon. The Corolla to go 100 miles using those rates: $13.64 (100 miles / 33mpg * $4.50/gallon) The F150 to go 100 miles $18.24 (48kWh/100 miles * 38cents/kWh) The Corolla wins, hands down. And this is using the reduced electricity rates. I think our real rates are 50 cents/kWh, thus the more realistic price for F150 would be $24. Now gas does go up and down, and at one time my home town had gas prices at $6.64/gallon. Even at the all time high rate of this price, the Corolla would only cost $20.12 to go 100 miles. Thus, the Corolla still wins using the all time high price of gas (which was back in June 14, 2022). Lastly, gas prices go up and down, but I can not think I have ever seen electricity prices go down. PG&E is so expensive, and more than likely it will go up more in another 10 years. It seems to me, the Corolla is the huge winner. And you can find even more efficient vehicles, such as the Kia Niro Hybrid, with over 50 mpg (we will use 53mpg). Even if you compare that to a very efficient EV, the Tesla Model 3 that uses 25 kWh, we see these results: Kia Niro: $8.49 using $4.50/gallon Model 3: $9.50 using 38 cents / kWh Kia Niro: $12.53 using all time high gas price of $6.64 Model 3: $12.50 using the more accurate 50 cents / kWh price (so about even - but electricity is not getting cheaper, and that is the all time high gas price, found in 2022) If one can do solar at home, then maybe the EV could pull ahead as the cost per kWh could be reduced, but there is an upfront cost, or there may be a lease price. Other calculations would be needed in those circumstances, and that may actually put the EV ahead.
I have a 2007 Dodge Durango with the towing package I purchased in 2008 used with low mileage still under warranty for $16,500 when gas was $4/gal. It will tow 9,000 pounds. I’ve done routine maintenance and it still runs and looks good. I get my repairs down by a mechanic that has taken care of my family vehicles for decades. If I had a EV SUV, I would only be able to get my vehicle repaired at the dealership because EV manufacturers do not provide the right to repair. This is making them money and costing consumers. TH-cam Channel Rich Builds did a program about the cost of repair after owning some older EV. IT WAS interesting. Personally I look at total cost and gas or diesel win.
And when it comes time to replace the battery, your gas powered vehicle will probably need to be replaced. You may be onto gas car #2 by the time the electric battery dies. What’s more? $15,000 to replace a battery to run another 500,000km+ or $30,000 for a new car? Your math sucks!
Let's not forget the downtime it takes to charge, even at public fast chargers. If you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry that's going to slow you down. For that little bit of difference I would rather pay the few cents more per mile to get there faster
I have been driving electric for 14 years, and will never go back. EVs have no oil, filters, or radiator fluid to change, no tune-ups, and, if you drive sensibly, probably will not need a brake job for 150,000 miles. No transmission service... no mind-numbing vibration and noise. An ICE car typically has several thousand moving parts, and if it moves, it must be lubricated, thus sapping energy, and idles at stop lights. It also needs lots of gears to be efficient at different speeds, and needs a reverse gear to back up. ICE cars have lots of reciprocating parts, which are super inefficient, and parts that do not rotate on their own center of gravity are also much more lilely to cause catastrophic failure within 150,000 miles. iCE cars have many gallons of highly explosive gasoline that are much more prone to fires than EVs, and can explode in collisions... you can BURN TO DEATH. Their center of gravity is high and far forward where the engine is, making it more prone to rollover accidents, especially SUVs. There are actually more disadvantages, but you only have a certain amount of patience! EVs typically only have less than a dozen moving parts in the drive train, no transmission, and no reverse gear. (Just make the electric motor reverse direction to back up) and any parts rotate on their own center of gravity, making them vibration-free. EVs have their center of gravity very low and in the center of the car, making them very resistant to rollover, and loss of control in accidents and emergencies. EVs are mechanically far more efficient due to the few moving parts, and no reciprocating parts. EVs are statistically far less likely to catch fire, and have no explosive fuels. EVs can last much longer than ICE cars, which can be too expensive to repair when transmissions fail, heads crack, piston rods break, or other similarly expensive failures make them ready for the junk yard. This video is to superficial, and does not cover the many important EV advantages. Yes, an EV may take longer to charge, but if you usually or always charge at nig;ht, that "advantage" of ICE cars can be meaningless, especially when EVs have so many other time and cost-saving advantages, and are typically more powerful and fun to drive.
@@billdale1 that's ignorance and bias speaking.Sure, ice's require some tune-ups but the real things that get you are replacing normal wear items like ball joints, bearings, battery cells when applicable, bushings, brakes and brake components on top of services like alignments, a/c work, tires, and figuring out those weird noises you keep hearing when accelerating. At the end of the day, weather you power your vehicle with exploding dinosaurs, un-sustainable chemistry or by pushing, ALL of you vehicle owners will either reluctantly figure out how to work on your vehicles or you'll come to a dealership technician like me and pay $150 /hr shop time and whatever your parts are plus disposal fees. I could care less as long as you can pay.
@@kalomeonLOL! That is the pot calling the kettle black! How absurd: all cars, whether ICE or EV, have certain service needs, but, the sane thing to do is not confuse the issue by including all that crap when talking maintenance... this sheer idiocy, if not an attempt to confuse issues. I drove ICE cars for more than 40 years, and did all the maintenance on them except the transmissions. I KNOW ICE CARS. I have been driving a wide variety of EVs exclusively for 14 years. My first EV was a BMW I converted to an EV: it is on TH-cam... just search for "BMW EV Conversion Burns Rubber!!!" I live in L.A., and that EV and others is why I was able to spend a whole evening at a private party with Elon Musk and his children in 2011. I KNOW EVS. I have cred. Do you? I am quite sure you have never even DRIVEN an EV. I doubt you would even know that one advantage of EVs is that, when properly driven, an EV's brakes may last the life of the car... look it up: it's called REGEN. Properly driven, the brake disks, brake pads, wheel cylinders, master cylinder and even brake fluid, plus the labor for multiple brake jobs over a car's lifetime, can save MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. So now, kind sir, explain to me how you have ANY grounds for thinking of yourself as an expert to offer an opinion on the subject of EVs?
@@kalomeon Oh... also, it's NOT just tune-ups... you are forgetting all the radiator flushes, broken fan belts, various crscked heads, leaking head gaslets, leaking oil pans to stain your garage floor, oil changes, smog tests, failed smog tests requiring a new oxygen sensor, catalytic converter, or corrective measures. How about clogged fuel filters that leave you waiting for a tow om the side of the freeway? How about a busted radiator hose on a hot day, warping or cracking your head? A transmission that has been working just fine for years, but finds just the right moment for the clutch bands to leave you stranded in the snow or rain? BTW: EVs have NO transmissions AT ALL... not even a reverse gear. To back up, your electric motor just turns backward. That Rube Goldberg- inspired engine and transmission has a MINIMUM of several thousand moving parts! And each and every moving part requires lubrication, and a percentage of the energy the engine generates, eating into the overall MPG. Riciprocating parts such as pistons, valves, pumps and and rocker arms are particularly inefficient, and prone to failure compared to parts whose only motion is to rotate on their own center of gravity. An EV has less than a dozen quiet, SMALL, super efficient moving parts that can easily last hundreds of thousands of miles. That huge engine and transmission, with 100 or more pounds of moving parts, require lots of energy to get up to speed, overcoming the inertia of all that weight. Rotors on electric motors, by contrast, are tiny and light... typically only the size of a coffee can, and directly conmected to the drive shaft. EVs such as the Tesla Model 3 and the Chevy Bolt have hundreds of horsepower, yet are rated by the EPA at well over 100 miles gallon equivalent. Only someone who has never driven an EV could be so naïve as to think an ICE car is just as good as an EV. Should I continue, or are you embarrassed enough by your ignorance?!
There are many different ways... Charge at work, grocery stores, dealerships, city halls, municipal lots, etc.. You can find many free chargers. Even free quick charge. You just have to find them. I know all of this because I've done it.
If you live in an apartment some depending if you live in a city and have a parking garage some do have chargers, if they don’t you just charge at stations like going to a gas station.
I'm 20 days into my new Model Y LR AWD. I live in a rural area that is essentially a supercharger and fast charger desert. When traveling about a hour from home I wanted to test the chargers available. I found the Tesla charger reasonable at ¢36. A fast charger I found was ¢65. At that price point my Tahoe is cheaper to operate. I am still evaluating. My first thought is that if you're commuting and charging at home this is a great thing. If you're traveling not so much.
We wouldn't need to worry about high gas or electricity costs if we just had a reasonable public transportation system. Plus all those savings with electricity will cost more when it's time to change the battery in EVs
Typical Oil industry talking point. I'll expect to get 300K miles out of my battery - are you looking to get 300K out of your ICE? How many people do you know that keep their car for 300K miles?
When a Tesla and Average EV costs more than gas powered.... Your MONTHLY cost for an EV will be near 1k a month. Say you don't drive your gas powered and everyday. You save money while owning that car vs the EV.
The purchase price is NOT besides the point. The total cost for the duration of ownership is what matters. With my mileage, I compared similar vehicles and a PHEV always beats the rest, followed by HEV's, then EV's, then gas only. It's not just about fuel costs.
If they had introduced a 2nd Gen used Leaf that is about the same price or less than a Corolla, then the EV wins easily. But they done goofed and compared a budget car to a luxury truck.
Your math is waaay off: EVs are best by far. I have been driving electric for 14 years, and will never go back. EVs have no oil, filters, or radiator fluid to change, no tune-ups or smog tests. Hybrids have ENGINES, meaning they have all the disadvantages of ICE cars, and lack the much higher efficiency of a pure EV. Hybrids have even MORE moving parts than an ICE car, making repairs even more of a nightmare. An ICE car typically has several thousand moving parts, and if it moves, it must be lubricated, thus sapping energy. ICEs have lots of reciprocating parts, which are super inefficient, and parts that do not rotate on their own center of gravity are also much more lilely to cause catastrophic failure within 150,000 miles. Like ICEs, hybrids have several gallons of highly explosive gasoline that are much more prone to fires than EVs, and can explode in collisions... you can BURN TO DEATH. Their center of gravity is high and far forward where the engine is, making it more prone to rollover accidents, especially SUVs. There are actually more disadvantages, but I only have a certain amount of patience to keep writing. EVs typically only have less than a dozen moving parts in the drive train, no transmission, and no reverse gear.. Any parts rotate on their own center of gravity. Any apparent advantage of ICE and hybrid cars can be meaningless, especially when EVs have so many other time and cost-saving advantages.
My 3 reasons to not buy electric •Takes way to long to charge •Tesla model 3 costs $40k new Corolla only $25k new •Replacing the battery will cost the same as buying a 2010 Toyota corolla.
Let’s not forget where u charge . While waiting it can lead you to shopping !!!!!!!! Buying goods at shopping center or snacks $$$$$$$$$$$$. Not so much saving anymore
The initial price is not beside the point wtf. If a gas 2023 f150 goes for like 50k a high trim one and that Lightning goes for 100k. You’re already -50k on that equation. Then you add after 7 years the cost of staring fixing this trucks. Unless electric cars prices matches the gasoline counterpart. There’s no saving
EVs are still more expensive even with government incentives. A Corolla will cost about 1200-1300 on fuel annually and $362 for maintenance. A used one from 2017 will run you about 14000 after 5 years that’s 22010. Good luck finding and EV under 25k
Let's talk about costs for replacing parts since they completelymissed it. Problem is with our society, is they get caught up in the hype than realize the consequences.
Forgot to add in the cost of new batteries !!when they go bad 8k-13k depending on vehicle hmmmm ….you do the math …plus cost of an EV vs the Corolla I’m definitely not sold on EV’s at all !! Toyota for the win !!
And let’s add in your cost per hour waiting for your EV to charge. If I’m going on a trip from Dallas to Houston, I will have to stop to charge the vehicle in order to complete my trip. If I’m going on vacation this may not be too practical as it will take away time. Or that little Toyota on a tank full of gas will probably go about 550 miles were that Ford EV about 250 miles and there’s a difference.
Everyone's situation is different but from my experience you actually save time charging compared to getting gas. In my first year of EV ownership I drove 4k miles more than my last ICEV and saved 45 minutes that year. I know because I kept track of every trip I took to a gas station at an average of 4 minutes 45 seconds (not including time driving out of my way to go to the gas station). I also kept track (still do) of the time spent waiting for the car to charge. You mentioned a trip from Dallas to Houston. That's about 250 miles. I've traveled 275 miles on a single charge but let's say you have to stop to charge in that 3.5 hour trip. All you need is 5-10 minutes Charging (probably less time than a quick restroom break) and you will have more than enough really range to make it to your destination. I drove over 55k mile in less than 3 years. Many 2k mile trips. Does it take longer to drive on trips over 300 miles compared to an ICEV absolutely but when you charge at home 90% of the time you don't have to wait. Don't get me wrong, I believe that EVs are not for everyone especially those without access to changing at home/work. But if you can plug in to an outlet at home every day you'll save time. I used to go to a gas station once or twice a week. I haven't been in one in almost 3 years. My last long trip was in August last year from New England to Florida for vacation. Since then so my trips have been under 300 miles so in almost 6 months and many thousands of miles I haven't had to wait to change for not even a minute. It would be hard to drive ICEV for thousands of miles in 5 months and don't take a single trip to a gas station . Again. Everyone's situation is different.
You sound like someone who sets a stopwatch when they go to take a dump. Relax and enjoy the scenery while the car charges. With an EV you don't have to hold onto charge cable like most gas stations require you to hold the gas nozzle, and EV charge rates are going up, decreasing the time required to charge.
Spoken like the true dunderhead that has never even driven an EV, thus has no faint idea how ignorant he really is. The vast majority of EV drivers rarely if ever have to go to a public charging station because they charge easily and inexpensively at home... for a few bucks, you don't even have to go to the trouble of plugging your car in once ypu get home. An affordable inductive charging system can even obviate that step. How much time do you spend going out of your way to get to a gas station so you can stand there for a few minutes inhaling carcinogenic fumes?
@@f.robertfalbo9800 yes I am someone who is set by a stopwatch it’s called work and like millions of us who do travel on a weekly basis with their cars, my efficiency would drop off greatly seeing my Silverado can go 550 miles on a tank full of gas, which means I can get from Dallas to Euston, make sales calls and get back to the hotel. And I can do this all in one day with an electric vehicle. I would have to stop, find a place to charge, which would cost me more money get back on the road again and park in front of my hotel space that has no charging stations at this point. I will believe in electric vehicles when they are able to do 500 miles on one charge. I’m guessing that is five or 10 years down the road.
@@greggwroblewski1689 Well, for one thing, Lucid has an EV that's rated at 520 miles and pollutes a lot less than your pickup. And if you bought a Tesla you'd be buying a Texan Made car that could do that trip with one quick stop (Tesla's charge FAST) and most non bedbug-ridden hotels around Huston have complimentary Tesla charging, so you'd have half your return trip free.
Im building a 1999 vw passat tdi 5 speed manual into a hybrid it will be awd with electric assist for the city and on the highway going up any hills will engage it I believed I should be able to achieve 60mpg at least
why is it that (almost) all EV vs Gas comparisons include the advertised fuel pump price which includes road tax, delivery charge, etc. etc. But when calculating electricity prices only use the Kw price omitting all of the other fess... Here in Ct under Eversource (elec. supplier) my current bill rings in at .13822 per Kw. - But here's the rest of the story - when adding in the "delivery improvement charges" of .80, "local delivery" $3.86, "revenue decoupling" (what the heck is that🤔) at .05 and "CTA" at .03 my Kw price is 41cents. So in CT to drive the Leaf 100 miles is $13.12. My 2014 Honda all wheel drive CRV consistently gets 29 miles per gallon. At your $3.92/gallon national average is $13.51. What I'd like you to calculate is how much electricity is consumed in carrying Tesla's Model S battery, alone, 100 miles - weighing in at 1300 pounds?
At current electric fees an EV may be cheaper. But rates are already starting to rise and they add road tax, which is most off the cost of fuel, your EV is going cost way more then we’re being told. At then, there’s the question of longevity. We have 50 plus year old ICE vehicles still on the road, working just fine. EVs are projected to have a 10 - 15 useful lifespan. Maybe longer, probably shorter. Time will tell which is actually better.
Everyone's situation is different but here is my experience. I drive about 20k miles every year. At home I have solar panels that already saved me more money than what I paid for them. Recently I stopped at a supercharger for the first time in about 6 months ($18.56). In six months an about 10k miles I've spent less than $20 to charge my car. Maintenance in almost 3 years that I've owned my EV besides a new set of tires, I've spent $87 between two HEPA filters and a gallon of windshield washer fluid. Don't get me wrong. EVs are not for everyone but it makes sense for many. Unfortunately others won't have a choice but to continue spending money on gasoline at whatever price the market is selling it for. They will continue to spend hundreds of dollars in repairs every year. I hope that the price of EVs continue to go down and becomes more affordable for everyone.
The truck is about 100,000 dollars but that's beside the point😂 not to mention insurance, registration and surcharge for roads but I saved 9.00 🤔 in my 100 mi test 🤣
@@timeallofgreatestthe Well ...... to us that are the masses and are earning 45k and up annually.....electric vehicles are expensive and not practical....period.
Like most comparisons, this one is overly simplistic and misses some major points: 1. Current battery technology has cycle life limitations. In 8-10 years, most EV will need a new battery. Costs are extreme, with some Tesla owners reporting $20,000-$25,000 to replace batteries. This is the most unreported weakness of EVs. 2. Waiting 1 hour as your EV charges is very inefficient. And if you can find a supercharger, the cost to charge is also much higher. If you have not noticed, the cost of electricity is rising rapidly with demand. 3. Home charging requires at least 200 amp service. No problem if you have a new home. But for the majority of home built before 1990, the upgrade to 200 amps can be significant. Those $2,000 estimates are for changing your circuit box. In most cases, you also need to upgrade the line running into your home. In my case, the estimate to go from 100 to 200 amps was $7,000. Less hype and more facts are needed in these videos.
Personally I wouldn’t buy an electric car til 2030 gas cars have been around over 100 years and electric cars are new I’m mechanically inclined and worked on cars for years if something can save my life and kill me I want to know how to fix it and make sure everything is to spec without taking it to a mechanic
I'd go with the Corolla always, why with a 60,000 Dlls difference in sticker price doing a ball park figure calculation I will have at least 20 years to cover the 60,000 dlls gap which would equate approx. to 3000 dlls per year in gas.
The cost of the vehicle is NOT beside the point. If it takes money out of your pocket, it IS THE POINT. Question: How much is a $92,000 Ford Lightning loan plus INTEREST over 60 or 72 months?
Not everyone can even afford to buy the electric car to begin with. It doesn’t matter how much you save as you own it people can’t afford a $50,000 “affordable” EV
If you want to compare fuel costs why not compare 2 sedans. A Camry vs a Ford MachE? Then there are the things you never need to do with an EV. No oil changes. No blown head gasket. Been driving a Bolt EV for 3+ years. Only needed to charge at a public charging station maybe 10 times. Zero maintenance costs. Even brake pad wear isn’t much of a thing due to using regenerative braking. Never going back to an ICE vehicle.
Environmental pollution of EVs BEFORE hitting the road is substantial. A EV must be on the road for 10 years just to match the pollution saving a gas car makes in 10 years BUT the EV cars pollution is up front once their batteries are created. Also thier batteries have a life cycle of about 5-7 years and cost over $10k to replace which only less than 10% can be recycled. Where as a gas engine, 90% can be recycled.
Try 10 months Tesla has already debunked this with solar charging as few as~5k miles are needed before Model 3/Y are greener than comparable vehicles including manufacturing. Even a average national grid mix just ~12k miles are needed which is still less than a years worth of driving for the average American. Because as it’s often is overlooked it also takes allot of energy to extract refine and transport oil rather than just accounting for pollution produced when it’s burned.
Honestly in my opinion with raise in popularity in EV vehicles. We do not have the infrastructure to keep enough charging stations-especially in the next 5 years. For instance I took a 5 hr road trip from North Florida in my Highlander and my sister wanted to take her Tesla on her next visit. (It took a total of 7.5 hrs) We had to wait over an hour before the 30min charge time and people were fighting over charging stations. I am afraid this issue will cause a raise in violent assaults on people. Especially with all the Karens we have in the world. I will stick to gas cars. I was uncomfortable just waiting our turn. Gas cars are much more affordable and if something breaks, you can always take it to your local mechanic and he can help you if your dealer charges too much for repairs. These newer high end EV cars--I hope you have extra money to buy the extended warranty because no one but that dealer can fix it. Time and convenience and costs to fix major problems accounts for something for sure. Lastly, Reliability is the MOST important factor in selecting a good investment. You can always meet in the middle and get a Corolla Hybrid and enjoy that 51 city MPG. My friend has one and pays like 18-20 bucks to fill up. It might be my next car for that reason even though I am a large dude lol…but seriously though Toyota has so many traditional hybrid options and that brand is known for superb reliability. Regular gas cars will last a little longer without need for major repairs (if we are talking Toyota possibly can get up to 300k miles); Hybrids usually @175k-225k miles range is usually when a hybrid battery may be need to be rebuilt) I can speak for my best friend’s husband has 264000 on his 2010 Prius and it’s still going strong.
Time to charge, dealership only service, cost of vehicle… big negative. Battery replacement cost, a very BIG negative! And not to mention, the cost of electricity will go up, and it will end up costing you the about the same cost of gas or diesel in the future. I’m all for alternatives, but at this point, EVs are not the answer.
As soon as they start charging as much to fast charge your car as they do for gas, and they will, all these numbers will be worthless. Just like Uber, they were cheap until they got rid of regular cabs, now uber is as much or more than cabs ever were.... A lot more than cabs if surge prices kick in using uber.
For daily use my cost of electricity is $0, because I charge at home and have solar & batteries. Even in un-sunny NYS I generate enough to charge my EV, run my house, and have enough leftover for the local utility to owe me money.
What your video fails to explain is the overall lifetime expense of an electric vehicle and the absolute destruction of or planet/environment caused by electric cars. The mining of the lithium, cobalt and magnesium alone negates any benefit and electric vehicle might claim to have. Not to mention the process/energy of extracting these elements from the rocks & dirt mined, also the mega tons of cancer causing chemicals used in this process. The numbers discussed in this video are very misleading.
Good point. There was the recent video of the gentlemen on joe rogan's podcast , talking about the literal slave labor being used for the extraction process. Some 'costs' are not apparent.
An electric car will degrade whether you drive it or not. The battery degrades over time and charge cycles, not miles. An old electric car will need a new expensive battery even if you never drove it much. A gas powered car will not degrade over time like that, after a long time it will be fine and last practically forever if you keep the miles low. Ex if drive very few miles and plan to keep your car for 10+ years gas powered is for you. If you plan to turn in your car every 5 years then electric will probably be ok for you. Different needs for different people.
You got your "facts" from reading tea leaves, and pulling them out of the polluted air you breathe. EV batteries do NOT degrade while sitting... a lithium battery still holds its charge, even while sitting for YEARS. I know, because I have done so-- have left dozens of such cells sit in storage for several years, and still had their charge-- the lead acid batteries in ICE cars need to have a trickle charge to keep them from damage while sitting. Besides, how often would someone buy an EVand just let it sit? That's very infrequent, and a ridiculous premise to use to base an argument on! You started with a conclusion, and worked backward with your delusional ideas to sound like you know something, which you DON'T. I have been driving EVs for 14 years, so actually KNOW their enormous advantages ... I will NEVER go back to vehicles whose fuel prices rises steadily, relies on oil refineries that break down REPEATEDLY... the price has increased from $.25/ gal when I a kid, to more than ten times that today, and the price is controlled by OPEC... it is not a renewable commoddity, becomes scarcer and harder to get to, thousands of feet beneath the ocean! How much sense does it make to rely on a substance you have. NO control of?! Anyone can make their own electricity if a utility company wants to overcharge for electricity... it is RENEWABLE, and the battery packs can be recycled very efficiently and inexpensively! If you follow the tech, EV batteries have continued to drop in price, and billions have been spent to come up with new, better, and more energy dense batteries for EVs, and home solar panels and storage. You are living in a FANTASY. You obviously drive an ICE car, and have NEVER had an EV to even have an opinion on them! Your opinion means NOTHING, without any experience!
That was a really dumb statement. There are plenty of 20+ year old Prius's on the road with their original battery. And quite a few original Tesla roadsters over 15 years old, still with their original battery. I can't speak to some manufacturers, but Tesla's batteries last a LONG time.
This is a "No Brainier". If common sense was applied, Electric car's would be still under the Christmas 🎄 Tree for the Kid's, where they belong 😂😂🤣! Even Ford that Makes the "Ford Lightning, Pickup truck! Says they will Make them but they will not Service them! 😮😮, Because it would be too Expensive! But the Everyday Consumer (that's the some 97 percent of the public already Knew that! & Are Way too Buisy to be Looking for, stopping for & Paying for a Chargeing station! That Said the Countries Infastructure is not built for or Could Handle all Electric Vehicle's, ask California & they are making it Illegal to plug Your electric car in at Your Own Home 🏠!! Is anyone catching on Yet?? If You want a 60 to 80 thousand dollar Flower bed that looks like a Car! Good luck with that, folks! Someone Wasteing a lot of Money!! Next time how about doing a Feasibility study! (Meaning Research to see if it's Cost effective & what the Consumer Wants ( that's the public) before You Drive off the Assembly line! That probably would have saved Trillions of Dollars! Needed else where!! God Speed & good luck folks 🙏
Don’t forget about the tax paid government assistance. Don’t forget degradation. And don’t forget when it breaks down who can work on them and where you can charge them at what rate and what kind of charger! and then you take the cost between the two divided up gas mileage
Bla Bla Bla. Just wait till you have to do repairs on your e.v's battery. You will wish you bought a TOYOTA GAS CONBUSTION ENGINE. Also hope you never get salt in your battery, specially in Florida. THE ONLY THING I WANT ELECTRIC IS MY DRILL.
Would you rather drive 100 miles in a Toyota Corolla or a Ford F-150 Lightning?
www.carmax.com/articles/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-electric-car
Teslas Should Be The Only Electric Car Mentioned For EVS
Ford F150 Lightning
Aaaaaaaand they stopped making lightning’s due to battery issues. Womp womp. Also, what is really important is total cost of ownership. So lowest trim of Lightning is 50,000 more than Corolla. That difference is more than TEN YEARS of maintenance and repairs in addition to another 5-10kin gasoline. Yeah, no, the Lightning loses until at least 10 years of ownership.
Appreciate and has a little European philosophy!!! Slk😮
On my Tesla stock I invested 32k in the first year I made 400k try that with Ford or GM
That is simply untrue
@@Docsarg so how long do they last if it is untrue? Here is your chance to prove them wrong.
I got , gas, diesel and a tesla, in my f-150 I spend on gas a month $1,300 , same on my f-250, but with my tesla mode Y $200, my f-150 cost me almost $15,000 a year in 50,000 miles, my tesla in one year 30,000 miles only $1,500 usd, and 0.0 maintanance, only tires, and my f-150 maintanance $2,500 oil change and tunup... big diference, but I got the "best of both worlds" I dont know why the hate???? I got muy old mustang 5.0 and I love the sound, but I love the speed in my tesla.....
Average price currently for electricity in my city is 38c/kWh per EnergySage (which may not have the new increases that took effect on March 1, 2024). Cost of gas is $4.50/gallon.
The Corolla to go 100 miles using those rates: $13.64 (100 miles / 33mpg * $4.50/gallon)
The F150 to go 100 miles $18.24 (48kWh/100 miles * 38cents/kWh)
The Corolla wins, hands down. And this is using the reduced electricity rates. I think our real rates are 50 cents/kWh, thus the more realistic price for F150 would be $24.
Now gas does go up and down, and at one time my home town had gas prices at $6.64/gallon. Even at the all time high rate of this price, the Corolla would only cost $20.12 to go 100 miles. Thus, the Corolla still wins using the all time high price of gas (which was back in June 14, 2022).
Lastly, gas prices go up and down, but I can not think I have ever seen electricity prices go down. PG&E is so expensive, and more than likely it will go up more in another 10 years.
It seems to me, the Corolla is the huge winner. And you can find even more efficient vehicles, such as the Kia Niro Hybrid, with over 50 mpg (we will use 53mpg). Even if you compare that to a very efficient EV, the Tesla Model 3 that uses 25 kWh, we see these results:
Kia Niro: $8.49 using $4.50/gallon
Model 3: $9.50 using 38 cents / kWh
Kia Niro: $12.53 using all time high gas price of $6.64
Model 3: $12.50 using the more accurate 50 cents / kWh price
(so about even - but electricity is not getting cheaper, and that is the all time high gas price, found in 2022)
If one can do solar at home, then maybe the EV could pull ahead as the cost per kWh could be reduced, but there is an upfront cost, or there may be a lease price. Other calculations would be needed in those circumstances, and that may actually put the EV ahead.
I have a 2007 Dodge Durango with the towing package I purchased in 2008 used with low mileage still under warranty for $16,500 when gas was $4/gal. It will tow 9,000 pounds. I’ve done routine maintenance and it still runs and looks good. I get my repairs down by a mechanic that has taken care of my family vehicles for decades.
If I had a EV SUV, I would only be able to get my vehicle repaired at the dealership because EV manufacturers do not provide the right to repair. This is making them money and costing consumers.
TH-cam Channel Rich Builds did a program about the cost of repair after owning some older EV. IT WAS interesting. Personally I look at total cost and gas or diesel win.
You may be able to save "up front" however when it come time to replace the batteries...you will endup paying much more !
And when it comes time to replace the battery, your gas powered vehicle will probably need to be replaced. You may be onto gas car #2 by the time the electric battery dies.
What’s more? $15,000 to replace a battery to run another 500,000km+ or $30,000 for a new car? Your math sucks!
gas price and ice maintenance goes up whille battery price is lower. battery can also be repair in cellls not whole
Let's not forget the downtime it takes to charge, even at public fast chargers. If you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry that's going to slow you down. For that little bit of difference I would rather pay the few cents more per mile to get there faster
I have been driving electric for 14 years, and will never go back. EVs have no oil, filters, or radiator fluid to change, no tune-ups, and, if you drive sensibly, probably will not need a brake job for 150,000 miles.
No transmission service... no mind-numbing vibration and noise.
An ICE car typically has several thousand moving parts, and if it moves, it must be lubricated, thus sapping energy, and idles at stop lights. It also needs lots of gears to be efficient at different speeds, and needs a reverse gear to back up. ICE cars have lots of reciprocating parts, which are super inefficient, and parts that do not rotate on their own center of gravity are also much more lilely to cause catastrophic failure within 150,000 miles.
iCE cars have many gallons of highly explosive gasoline that are much more prone to fires than EVs, and can explode in collisions... you can BURN TO DEATH. Their center of gravity is high and far forward where the engine is, making it more prone to rollover accidents, especially SUVs.
There are actually more disadvantages, but you only have a certain amount of patience!
EVs typically only have less than a dozen moving parts in the drive train, no transmission, and no reverse gear. (Just make the electric motor reverse direction to back up) and any parts rotate on their own center of gravity, making them vibration-free.
EVs have their center of gravity very low and in the center of the car, making them very resistant to rollover, and loss of control in accidents and emergencies.
EVs are mechanically far more efficient due to the few moving parts, and no reciprocating parts.
EVs are statistically far less likely to catch fire, and have no explosive fuels.
EVs can last much longer than ICE cars, which can be too expensive to repair when transmissions fail, heads crack, piston rods break, or other similarly expensive failures make them ready for the junk yard.
This video is to superficial, and does not cover the many important EV advantages. Yes, an EV may take longer to charge, but if you usually or always charge at nig;ht, that "advantage" of ICE cars can be meaningless, especially when EVs have so many other time and cost-saving advantages, and are typically more powerful and fun to drive.
@@billdale1 that's ignorance and bias speaking.Sure, ice's require some tune-ups but the real things that get you are replacing normal wear items like ball joints, bearings, battery cells when applicable, bushings, brakes and brake components on top of services like alignments, a/c work, tires, and figuring out those weird noises you keep hearing when accelerating. At the end of the day, weather you power your vehicle with exploding dinosaurs, un-sustainable chemistry or by pushing, ALL of you vehicle owners will either reluctantly figure out how to work on your vehicles or you'll come to a dealership technician like me and pay $150 /hr shop time and whatever your parts are plus disposal fees. I could care less as long as you can pay.
@@kalomeonLOL! That is the pot calling the kettle black! How absurd: all cars, whether ICE or EV, have certain service needs, but, the sane thing to do is not confuse the issue by including all that crap when talking maintenance... this sheer idiocy, if not an attempt to confuse issues.
I drove ICE cars for more than 40 years, and did all the maintenance on them except the transmissions.
I KNOW ICE CARS.
I have been driving a wide variety of EVs exclusively for 14 years. My first EV was a BMW I converted to an EV: it is on TH-cam... just search for
"BMW EV Conversion Burns Rubber!!!"
I live in L.A., and that EV and others is why I was able to spend a whole evening at a private party with Elon Musk and his children in 2011.
I KNOW EVS.
I have cred. Do you? I am quite sure you have never even DRIVEN an EV.
I doubt you would even know that one advantage of EVs is that, when properly driven, an EV's brakes may last the life of the car... look it up: it's called REGEN.
Properly driven, the brake disks, brake pads, wheel cylinders, master cylinder and even brake fluid, plus the labor for multiple brake jobs over a car's lifetime, can save MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
So now, kind sir, explain to me how you have ANY grounds for thinking of yourself as an expert to offer an opinion on the subject of EVs?
@@kalomeon Oh... also, it's NOT just tune-ups... you are forgetting all the radiator flushes, broken fan belts, various crscked heads, leaking head gaslets, leaking oil pans to stain your garage floor, oil changes, smog tests, failed smog tests requiring a new oxygen sensor, catalytic converter, or corrective measures.
How about clogged fuel filters that leave you waiting for a tow om the side of the freeway? How about a busted radiator hose on a hot day, warping or cracking your head? A transmission that has been working just fine for years, but finds just the right moment for the clutch bands to leave you stranded in the snow or rain?
BTW: EVs have NO transmissions AT ALL... not even a reverse gear. To back up, your electric motor just turns backward.
That Rube Goldberg- inspired engine and transmission has a MINIMUM of several thousand moving parts! And each and every moving part requires lubrication, and a percentage of the energy the engine generates, eating into the overall MPG.
Riciprocating parts such as pistons, valves, pumps and and rocker arms are particularly inefficient, and prone to failure compared to parts whose only motion is to rotate on their own center of gravity.
An EV has less than a dozen quiet, SMALL, super efficient moving parts that can easily last hundreds of thousands of miles.
That huge engine and transmission, with 100 or more pounds of moving parts, require lots of energy to get up to speed, overcoming the inertia of all that weight.
Rotors on electric motors, by contrast, are tiny and light... typically only the size of a coffee can, and directly conmected to the drive shaft. EVs such as the Tesla Model 3 and the Chevy Bolt have hundreds of horsepower, yet are rated by the EPA at well over 100 miles gallon equivalent.
Only someone who has never driven an EV could be so naïve as to think an ICE car is just as good as an EV.
Should I continue, or are you embarrassed enough by your ignorance?!
So how is someone that lives in an apartment complex gonna be able to charge it up at home?
Run it from your window if you live in an area with minimum traffic, we have a few people that does it now
@@bigdogmitch2 Would need a 1000' cord
There are many different ways... Charge at work, grocery stores, dealerships, city halls, municipal lots, etc.. You can find many free chargers. Even free quick charge. You just have to find them. I know all of this because I've done it.
If you live in an apartment some depending if you live in a city and have a parking garage some do have chargers, if they don’t you just charge at stations like going to a gas station.
Our Tesla model 3 AWD is the best car ever plus the safest & also it’s fast ❤️❤️
I'm 20 days into my new Model Y LR AWD. I live in a rural area that is essentially a supercharger and fast charger desert.
When traveling about a hour from home I wanted to test the chargers available.
I found the Tesla charger reasonable at ¢36. A fast charger I found was ¢65. At that price point my Tahoe is cheaper to operate.
I am still evaluating. My first thought is that if you're commuting and charging at home this is a great thing.
If you're traveling not so much.
Try that in the winter when it’s -15 outside. And not to mention towing lol 😂
We wouldn't need to worry about high gas or electricity costs if we just had a reasonable public transportation system. Plus all those savings with electricity will cost more when it's time to change the battery in EVs
Typical Oil industry talking point. I'll expect to get 300K miles out of my battery - are you looking to get 300K out of your ICE? How many people do you know that keep their car for 300K miles?
Ha my dual motor Tesla has a 900 hundred watt sound system and the battery is guaranteed for 8 years as is the drive train
When a Tesla and Average EV costs more than gas powered....
Your MONTHLY cost for an EV will be near 1k a month.
Say you don't drive your gas powered and everyday. You save money while owning that car vs the EV.
The purchase price is NOT besides the point. The total cost for the duration of ownership is what matters. With my mileage, I compared similar vehicles and a PHEV always beats the rest, followed by HEV's, then EV's, then gas only. It's not just about fuel costs.
If they had introduced a 2nd Gen used Leaf that is about the same price or less than a Corolla, then the EV wins easily. But they done goofed and compared a budget car to a luxury truck.
Your math is waaay off: EVs are best by far.
I have been driving electric for 14 years, and will never go back. EVs have no oil, filters, or radiator fluid to change, no tune-ups or smog tests.
Hybrids have ENGINES, meaning they have all the disadvantages of ICE cars, and lack the much higher efficiency of a pure EV. Hybrids have even MORE moving parts than an ICE car, making repairs even more of a nightmare.
An ICE car typically has several thousand moving parts, and if it moves, it must be lubricated, thus sapping energy. ICEs have lots of reciprocating parts, which are super inefficient, and parts that do not rotate on their own center of gravity are also much more lilely to cause catastrophic failure within 150,000 miles.
Like ICEs, hybrids have several gallons of highly explosive gasoline that are much more prone to fires than EVs, and can explode in collisions... you can BURN TO DEATH. Their center of gravity is high and far forward where the engine is, making it more prone to rollover accidents, especially SUVs.
There are actually more disadvantages, but I only have a certain amount of patience to keep writing.
EVs typically only have less than a dozen moving parts in the drive train, no transmission, and no reverse gear.. Any parts rotate on their own center of gravity. Any apparent advantage of ICE and hybrid cars can be meaningless, especially when EVs have so many other time and cost-saving advantages.
My 3 reasons to not buy electric
•Takes way to long to charge
•Tesla model 3 costs $40k new Corolla only $25k new
•Replacing the battery will cost the same as buying a 2010 Toyota corolla.
Thank you :) I enjoyed it
So, just get a Corolla Hybrid, and pocket the $65,000 you saved by not buying the Ford.
Let’s not forget where u charge . While waiting it can lead you to shopping !!!!!!!! Buying goods at shopping center or snacks $$$$$$$$$$$$. Not so much saving anymore
Simple and funny. Very good video!!!❤❤❤
Many folks live in apartments. Cost is high for EV.🍁🍁🍁🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Are you bragging or complaining?
The initial price is not beside the point wtf. If a gas 2023 f150 goes for like 50k a high trim one and that Lightning goes for 100k. You’re already -50k on that equation. Then you add after 7 years the cost of staring fixing this trucks. Unless electric cars prices matches the gasoline counterpart. There’s no saving
You guys are helpful about cars thank you
You're not saving nothing when to replace that battery how much does it cost plus you got a charger. light bill went up
300K on an EV battery. What's your problem?
EVs are still more expensive even with government incentives. A Corolla will cost about 1200-1300 on fuel annually and $362 for maintenance. A used one from 2017 will run you about 14000 after 5 years that’s 22010. Good luck finding and EV under 25k
Not true! Actually price a Tesla 3 or Y!
Sure, if you want to drive a sh1tbox.
A new battery costs as much as some gasoline cars.
I do hope you include insurance rates and maintenance costs in your price per mile.
And how about battery replacement that's where all the money going to go to😮
Let's talk about costs for replacing parts since they completelymissed it. Problem is with our society, is they get caught up in the hype than realize the consequences.
Don't forget the EV battery replacement cost every 10 years.
Would you mind giving the source. I'm trying to figure out why the battery needs to be replaced every 10 years. Thanks.
Forgot to add in the cost of new batteries !!when they go bad 8k-13k depending on vehicle hmmmm ….you do the math …plus cost of an EV vs the Corolla I’m definitely not sold on EV’s at all !! Toyota for the win !!
And how often are batteries replaced? You people act like we do this every month with our EVs lol
And let’s add in your cost per hour waiting for your EV to charge. If I’m going on a trip from Dallas to Houston, I will have to stop to charge the vehicle in order to complete my trip. If I’m going on vacation this may not be too practical as it will take away time. Or that little Toyota on a tank full of gas will probably go about 550 miles were that Ford EV about 250 miles and there’s a difference.
Everyone's situation is different but from my experience you actually save time charging compared to getting gas. In my first year of EV ownership I drove 4k miles more than my last ICEV and saved 45 minutes that year. I know because I kept track of every trip I took to a gas station at an average of 4 minutes 45 seconds (not including time driving out of my way to go to the gas station). I also kept track (still do) of the time spent waiting for the car to charge.
You mentioned a trip from Dallas to Houston. That's about 250 miles. I've traveled 275 miles on a single charge but let's say you have to stop to charge in that 3.5 hour trip. All you need is 5-10 minutes Charging (probably less time than a quick restroom break) and you will have more than enough really range to make it to your destination.
I drove over 55k mile in less than 3 years. Many 2k mile trips. Does it take longer to drive on trips over 300 miles compared to an ICEV absolutely but when you charge at home 90% of the time you don't have to wait.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that EVs are not for everyone especially those without access to changing at home/work. But if you can plug in to an outlet at home every day you'll save time. I used to go to a gas station once or twice a week. I haven't been in one in almost 3 years. My last long trip was in August last year from New England to Florida for vacation. Since then so my trips have been under 300 miles so in almost 6 months and many thousands of miles I haven't had to wait to change for not even a minute. It would be hard to drive ICEV for thousands of miles in 5 months and don't take a single trip to a gas station .
Again. Everyone's situation is different.
You sound like someone who sets a stopwatch when they go to take a dump. Relax and enjoy the scenery while the car charges. With an EV you don't have to hold onto charge cable like most gas stations require you to hold the gas nozzle, and EV charge rates are going up, decreasing the time required to charge.
Spoken like the true dunderhead that has never even driven an EV, thus has no faint idea how ignorant he really is.
The vast majority of EV drivers rarely if ever have to go to a public charging station because they charge easily and inexpensively at home... for a few bucks, you don't even have to go to the trouble of plugging your car in once ypu get home. An affordable inductive charging system can even obviate that step. How much time do you spend going out of your way to get to a gas station so you can stand there for a few minutes inhaling carcinogenic fumes?
@@f.robertfalbo9800 yes I am someone who is set by a stopwatch it’s called work and like millions of us who do travel on a weekly basis with their cars, my efficiency would drop off greatly seeing my Silverado can go 550 miles on a tank full of gas, which means I can get from Dallas to Euston, make sales calls and get back to the hotel. And I can do this all in one day with an electric vehicle. I would have to stop, find a place to charge, which would cost me more money get back on the road again and park in front of my hotel space that has no charging stations at this point. I will believe in electric vehicles when they are able to do 500 miles on one charge. I’m guessing that is five or 10 years down the road.
@@greggwroblewski1689 Well, for one thing, Lucid has an EV that's rated at 520 miles and pollutes a lot less than your pickup. And if you bought a Tesla you'd be buying a Texan Made car that could do that trip with one quick stop (Tesla's charge FAST) and most non bedbug-ridden hotels around Huston have complimentary Tesla charging, so you'd have half your return trip free.
Im building a 1999 vw passat tdi 5 speed manual into a hybrid it will be awd with electric assist for the city and on the highway going up any hills will engage it I believed I should be able to achieve 60mpg at least
why is it that (almost) all EV vs Gas comparisons include the advertised fuel pump price which includes road tax, delivery charge, etc. etc. But when calculating electricity prices only use the Kw price omitting all of the other fess... Here in Ct under Eversource (elec. supplier) my current bill rings in at .13822 per Kw. - But here's the rest of the story - when adding in the "delivery improvement charges" of .80, "local delivery" $3.86, "revenue decoupling" (what the heck is that🤔) at .05 and "CTA" at .03 my Kw price is 41cents. So in CT to drive the Leaf 100 miles is $13.12. My 2014 Honda all wheel drive CRV consistently gets 29 miles per gallon. At your $3.92/gallon national average is $13.51.
What I'd like you to calculate is how much electricity is consumed in carrying Tesla's Model S battery, alone, 100 miles - weighing in at 1300 pounds?
At current electric fees an EV may be cheaper. But rates are already starting to rise and they add road tax, which is most off the cost of fuel, your EV is going cost way more then we’re being told. At then, there’s the question of longevity. We have 50 plus year old ICE vehicles still on the road, working just fine. EVs are projected to have a 10 - 15 useful lifespan. Maybe longer, probably shorter. Time will tell which is actually better.
There’s more to it than just saving evs are quiet smooth and fast if you buy the wrightone
Everyone's situation is different but here is my experience. I drive about 20k miles every year. At home I have solar panels that already saved me more money than what I paid for them. Recently I stopped at a supercharger for the first time in about 6 months ($18.56). In six months an about 10k miles I've spent less than $20 to charge my car. Maintenance in almost 3 years that I've owned my EV besides a new set of tires, I've spent $87 between two HEPA filters and a gallon of windshield washer fluid.
Don't get me wrong. EVs are not for everyone but it makes sense for many. Unfortunately others won't have a choice but to continue spending money on gasoline at whatever price the market is selling it for. They will continue to spend hundreds of dollars in repairs every year. I hope that the price of EVs continue to go down and becomes more affordable for everyone.
The truck is about 100,000 dollars but that's beside the point😂 not to mention insurance, registration and surcharge for roads but I saved 9.00 🤔 in my 100 mi test 🤣
So if you drive 20,000 miles you might save $18,000.
No. A gas powered vehicle is WAY WAY CHEAPER than an electric. Stop lying to folks out here that can't afford electric expensive toys.
I’ve owned both, and although electric is cheaper, it’s not by much. Maintenance is about the same too, electric is a little better.
@@timeallofgreatestthe Well ...... to us that are the masses and are earning 45k and up annually.....electric vehicles are expensive and not practical....period.
@@caribshogun9772 agreed, they aren’t as practical ice cars
@@timeallofgreatestthe bro ..... ice cars ?!?🤔
@@caribshogun9772 internal combustion engine
I think EV's are cool.
But you did, charging at home, at a fast charger it would be same as Gas.
Ha Ha just drive a good one plus with Tesla I bought the stock so the car was kind of free
Higher are you comparing a full-size truck to a small size car
Why not compare the all gas Toyota Corolla to the Tesla Modle 3?
Because the Model 3 would wipe the floor with the Corolla.
Like most comparisons, this one is overly simplistic and misses some major points:
1. Current battery technology has cycle life limitations. In 8-10 years, most EV will need a new battery. Costs are extreme, with some Tesla owners reporting $20,000-$25,000 to replace batteries. This is the most unreported weakness of EVs.
2. Waiting 1 hour as your EV charges is very inefficient. And if you can find a supercharger, the cost to charge is also much higher. If you have not noticed, the cost of electricity is rising rapidly with demand.
3. Home charging requires at least 200 amp service. No problem if you have a new home. But for the majority of home built before 1990, the upgrade to 200 amps can be significant. Those $2,000 estimates are for changing your circuit box. In most cases, you also need to upgrade the line running into your home. In my case, the estimate to go from 100 to 200 amps was $7,000.
Less hype and more facts are needed in these videos.
Personally I wouldn’t buy an electric car til 2030 gas cars have been around over 100 years and electric cars are new I’m mechanically inclined and worked on cars for years if something can save my life and kill me I want to know how to fix it and make sure everything is to spec without taking it to a mechanic
Electric vehicles have been around since 1832.
I'd go with the Corolla always, why with a 60,000 Dlls difference in sticker price doing a ball park figure calculation I will have at least 20 years to cover the 60,000 dlls gap which would equate approx. to 3000 dlls per year in gas.
ELECTRIC. CHARGE AT HOME 🏡 SUPPPPER CHEAP. NOTHING BEATS IT. STUPID GAS ⛽
The cost of the vehicle is NOT beside the point. If it takes money out of your pocket, it IS THE POINT. Question: How much is a $92,000 Ford Lightning loan plus INTEREST over 60 or 72 months?
These guys are good
Not everyone can even afford to buy the electric car to begin with. It doesn’t matter how much you save as you own it people can’t afford a $50,000 “affordable” EV
If you want to compare fuel costs why not compare 2 sedans. A Camry vs a Ford MachE? Then there are the things you never need to do with an EV. No oil changes. No blown head gasket. Been driving a Bolt EV for 3+ years. Only needed to charge at a public charging station maybe 10 times. Zero maintenance costs. Even brake pad wear isn’t much of a thing due to using regenerative braking. Never going back to an ICE vehicle.
Environmental pollution of EVs BEFORE hitting the road is substantial. A EV must be on the road for 10 years just to match the pollution saving a gas car makes in 10 years BUT the EV cars pollution is up front once their batteries are created. Also thier batteries have a life cycle of about 5-7 years and cost over $10k to replace which only less than 10% can be recycled. Where as a gas engine, 90% can be recycled.
Try 10 months Tesla has already debunked this with solar charging as few as~5k miles are needed before Model 3/Y are greener than comparable vehicles including manufacturing. Even a average national grid mix just ~12k miles are needed which is still less than a years worth of driving for the average American. Because as it’s often is overlooked it also takes allot of energy to extract refine and transport oil rather than just accounting for pollution produced when it’s burned.
My 62K was well spent. Model Y > All Ice.
An F150 is not $100K, shoot, the Raptor isn't even that much, lol.
Honestly in my opinion with raise in popularity in EV vehicles. We do not have the infrastructure to keep enough charging stations-especially in the next 5 years. For instance I took a 5 hr road trip from North Florida in my Highlander and my sister wanted to take her Tesla on her next visit. (It took a total of 7.5 hrs) We had to wait over an hour before the 30min charge time and people were fighting over charging stations. I am afraid this issue will cause a raise in violent assaults on people. Especially with all the Karens we have in the world. I will stick to gas cars. I was uncomfortable just waiting our turn. Gas cars are much more affordable and if something breaks, you can always take it to your local mechanic and he can help you if your dealer charges too much for repairs. These newer high end EV cars--I hope you have extra money to buy the extended warranty because no one but that dealer can fix it. Time and convenience and costs to fix major problems accounts for something for sure. Lastly, Reliability is the MOST important factor in selecting a good investment. You can always meet in the middle and get a Corolla Hybrid and enjoy that 51 city MPG. My friend has one and pays like 18-20 bucks to fill up. It might be my next car for that reason even though I am a large dude lol…but seriously though Toyota has so many traditional hybrid options and that brand is known for superb reliability. Regular gas cars will last a little longer without need for major repairs (if we are talking Toyota possibly can get up to 300k miles); Hybrids usually @175k-225k miles range is usually when a hybrid battery may be need to be rebuilt) I can speak for my best friend’s husband has 264000 on his 2010 Prius and it’s still going strong.
What about initial investment cost? Opportunity loss cost? This is for dummies, real dummy because they only focused on fuel.
Time to charge, dealership only service, cost of vehicle… big negative. Battery replacement cost, a very BIG negative! And not to mention, the cost of electricity will go up, and it will end up costing you the about the same cost of gas or diesel in the future. I’m all for alternatives, but at this point, EVs are not the answer.
Baloney my cousin left me with a $500+ bill after charging for two days my average was below $175 bad math for sure
Why the hell are you comparing a tank of an EV to a cheap car? This makes ZERO sense.
How about the lost of time you’ll never get back waiting to charge
As soon as they start charging as much to fast charge your car as they do for gas, and they will, all these numbers will be worthless. Just like Uber, they were cheap until they got rid of regular cabs, now uber is as much or more than cabs ever were.... A lot more than cabs if surge prices kick in using uber.
For daily use my cost of electricity is $0, because I charge at home and have solar & batteries. Even in un-sunny NYS I generate enough to charge my EV, run my house, and have enough leftover for the local utility to owe me money.
And a road trip would be longer
What your video fails to explain is the overall lifetime expense of an electric vehicle and the absolute destruction of or planet/environment caused by electric cars. The mining of the lithium, cobalt and magnesium alone negates any benefit and electric vehicle might claim to have. Not to mention the process/energy of extracting these elements from the rocks & dirt mined, also the mega tons of cancer causing chemicals used in this process. The numbers discussed in this video are very misleading.
Good point. There was the recent video of the gentlemen on joe rogan's podcast , talking about the literal slave labor being used for the extraction process. Some 'costs' are not apparent.
Didvtgey say Almost $100,000 vs $33,000. Uh
Are they forgetting the true math or doing fuzzy math.
Can I get an affordable ev work truck? I can't do my job in a corolla or leaf. ($50k+ for a work truck is not responsible!)
Why Isn’t Tesla On The List Never Exclude Tesla For EVS Tesla Lucid A d Rvian Is The King Of Electric Vehicles Never Ford Toyota Or Other Brands
That Found Or Repair Daily call Ford will not last long. When the warranty are over you will spend a lot of time and money to fix it
100k that’s not the point………
Ok I’m out… enjoy fake saving 😂
That ford lightning isn't efficient at all lol its a truck and I would take the corolla over it im sure at least 90% of people would too
E is more expensive
And I am so 😂😂😂Yes 😂
An electric car will degrade whether you drive it or not. The battery degrades over time and charge cycles, not miles. An old electric car will need a new expensive battery even if you never drove it much.
A gas powered car will not degrade over time like that, after a long time it will be fine and last practically forever if you keep the miles low.
Ex if drive very few miles and plan to keep your car for 10+ years gas powered is for you. If you plan to turn in your car every 5 years then electric will probably be ok for you. Different needs for different people.
You got your "facts" from reading tea leaves, and pulling them out of the polluted air you breathe. EV batteries do NOT degrade while sitting... a lithium battery still holds its charge, even while sitting for YEARS. I know, because I have done so-- have left dozens of such cells sit in storage for several years, and still had their charge-- the lead acid batteries in ICE cars need to have a trickle charge to keep them from damage while sitting.
Besides, how often would someone buy an EVand just let it sit? That's very infrequent, and a ridiculous premise to use to base an argument on!
You started with a conclusion, and worked backward with your delusional ideas to sound like you know something, which you DON'T. I have been driving EVs for 14 years, so actually KNOW their enormous advantages
... I will NEVER go back to vehicles whose fuel prices rises steadily, relies on oil refineries that break down REPEATEDLY... the price has increased from $.25/ gal when I a kid, to more than ten times that today, and the price is controlled by OPEC... it is not a renewable commoddity, becomes scarcer and harder to get to, thousands of feet beneath the ocean! How much sense does it make to rely on a substance you have. NO control of?! Anyone can make their own electricity if a utility company wants to overcharge for electricity... it is RENEWABLE, and the battery packs can be recycled very efficiently and inexpensively! If you follow the tech, EV batteries have
continued to drop in price, and billions have been spent to come up with new, better, and more energy dense batteries for EVs, and home solar panels and storage. You are living in a FANTASY.
You obviously drive an ICE car, and have NEVER had an EV to even have an opinion on them! Your opinion means NOTHING, without any experience!
That was a really dumb statement. There are plenty of 20+ year old Prius's on the road with their original battery. And quite a few original Tesla roadsters over 15 years old, still with their original battery. I can't speak to some manufacturers, but Tesla's batteries last a LONG time.
@@f.robertfalbo9800thank you. It’s hilarious reading these comments.
Gas is more money but electric you have to go looking for a charger and you have to be careful in the weather
You don’t have to go “looking” most people charge at home and when you’re on a road trip, the car guides you to Tesla charging stations….
Just to replace the new battery it already lost and time charging it and if u tow even worse
Lol what?
No thanks one way or another Eva are a waste. Cand go far at all one expensive
This is a "No Brainier". If common sense was applied, Electric car's would be still under the Christmas 🎄 Tree for the Kid's, where they belong 😂😂🤣! Even Ford that Makes the "Ford Lightning, Pickup truck! Says they will Make them but they will not Service them! 😮😮, Because it would be too Expensive! But the Everyday Consumer (that's the some 97 percent of the public already Knew that! & Are Way too Buisy to be Looking for, stopping for & Paying for a Chargeing station! That Said the Countries Infastructure is not built for or Could Handle all Electric Vehicle's, ask California & they are making it Illegal to plug Your electric car in at Your Own Home 🏠!! Is anyone catching on Yet?? If You want a 60 to 80 thousand dollar Flower bed that looks like a Car! Good luck with that, folks! Someone Wasteing a lot of Money!! Next time how about doing a Feasibility study! (Meaning Research to see if it's Cost effective & what the Consumer Wants ( that's the public) before You Drive off the Assembly line! That probably would have saved Trillions of Dollars! Needed else where!! God Speed & good luck folks 🙏
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Blame it on the dog.
Don’t forget about the tax paid government assistance. Don’t forget degradation. And don’t forget when it breaks down who can work on them and where you can charge them at what rate and what kind of charger! and then you take the cost between the two divided up gas mileage
Gasoline is also subsidized by the Federal Government to keep the price per gallon down.
Are you sure you don't want the web address of a tin foil hat maker?
😂 these comments are hilarious
EV depreciation is high.🍁🍁🍁🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Try a Mercedes and see what depreciation really is.
Or a bmw 7 series 😂
Bla Bla Bla. Just wait till you have to do repairs on your e.v's battery. You will wish you bought a TOYOTA GAS CONBUSTION ENGINE. Also hope you never get salt in your battery, specially in Florida. THE ONLY THING I WANT ELECTRIC IS MY DRILL.
Once a Luddite, always a Luddite.
The foolery. They just playing black folks
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