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Strain VS Support 2 | K-Pop Female Vocalists VS Themselves
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2017
- Comparison of supported singing VS strained/unsupported singing from the same female vocalists
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Octaves, notes & annotation:
(This may be super obvious, but I had to look it up to understand and thought I'd share)
Looking at a piano, to get a visual of the possible notes, 8 white keys in a row are an octave. There are a total of 8 octaves on the piano from 1 (lowest) to 8 (highest). The first note in an octave is called C, so C4 = first note in 4th octave. However, the 8th note is actually the C note in the next octave, so really it's 7 notes: C4, D4, E4, F4, G4, A4, B4 (then C5). The black keys on the piano are semi-tones: Sharp (marked #) =half a tone higher and flat (marked b) = half tone lower.
hope this helps :) great video btw!
Procrastinating err
Thank you for this now i understand it. So when they say g6 it means they are in the 6th octave?
yes (extremely high)
@@emmafrost16 Yeah, as far as I've understood
Omg TY!!! I understand nowwww!! :D
Sohyang straining was like more than 10 years ago already, now strain is not in her vocabulary. Im wishing Seungyeon, Haeri and Ailee (once she gets balanced in her mix) will do to!
Well unless their technique will regress, which it probably will at some point. Hyorin's vocal health was damaged pretty badly after straining it for so long. I guess it's pretty much just a matter of becoming aware of their vocal health and taking rests whenever they should. Also it's very possible that they would never be able to be aware of and fix their bad vocal habits and ruin their vocals in the long run inevitably.
Also Taeyeon, Luna and Wendy have the potential for it
Amore Arusko when sohyang was in her 20s she supported C4-E5-B5 ... boi shes still better than most vocalists here lol
@@sugarcookieP But it's 2021 now right? And I heard she's improving and still is improving. In fact, she even supports G5 in head voice when before she used to struggle to even sang one. So what about that? Is she okay/better now or still doesn't reach her early debut level yet?
@@sugarcookieP Also, what exactly happened to Hyorin? Why did she regress?
IU’s high note in good day hurts my ears now I know why
Blueonce Lan it's so sad how they praise her 3 octave note there but like it was just encouraging her to hurt her voice
Jeanie it's not even 3 octave tho. It's just 3 semitones
Reymel John Dela Cruz well u missed my overall point but ok I never said I was a vocal specialist lol that's what the public would call it so that's why I used that term
Jeanie Nguyen she just strained lmaoo
but her A4 note is soooooo beautiful
So no strained belts from Sohyang?
*insert meme: pretends to be shocked*
but seriously, what a queen lol
Hiiragi Kagami She only strains when sick. And before 2013 her belting up to C#6 was very good.
Hiiragi Kagami I have to disagree. That was when she was in that singing competition. Her Bb5s were amazing during this time
Our queen is a legend
@@andrethomas483 She did have some less than stellar notes during that time like the G#5s from I Will Always Miss You, but she definitely was great during that time lol
@@SuperPianogirl123 G#5s in that song are supported from what I remember
Sohyang had a bad technique at her debut and strained a lot, but now she has one of the best upper belts ❤🙏😥
Akina Chan wow I didn't know that . but yeah nobody is perfect , now I'm so amazed by her singing 😍
Akina Chan Actually SoHyang wasn’t even that bad then since she already had around Eb5/E5 in 2001.
Akina Chan YESSSS SOOOOO TRUE
Akina Chan not one of. She is the best upper belting
the rose. C4 - E5 - B5 actually and she got bettet and she started to support up to G5 in mixed matrix till she's where she is right now, a certified, well supported C6/C#6 belter
what did we do to deserve sohyang?
Nothing. Jesus sent Sohyang to make us humans repent from our sins. Hallelujah!
Sohyang - Strain not found
LOL but it's nothing surprising actually, she's goddess, just look at different supported range. Almost all of even great ones stops supports at F#5/G5 at their best and SoHyang like, lol, what's the problem to support C6) Great video by the way, for me it's really easy right now to determine where's strained and supported note right now, thanks to your videos too)
From what I read at kpopvocalanalysis sometimes she can't support lower notes instead. But well, overall her vocal skills are amazing .
At her debut she strained a lot, but due to lack of technique. Thankfully she learned and now can support high notes easily
she's using mixed voice to hit above probably E-F5ish. I guess she has a wider/higer range than like, altos, for example, but she doens't have this superhuman range. I can't exactly tell what note (I don't have a perfect pitch or the energy to go and open up the keyboard app) but in the first song she sings at 9:55 you can definitely hear the switch from chest-mixed-then head for C6. No one can hit C6 with chest voice. I'm assuming she was classically trained? Most pop singers don't know how to use mixed voice or know how to switch so smoothly
Lkzpe and to imagine it’s easier and more comfortable for her to belt a C6 than those other singers belting a G5
She has supported two C#6
Actually, you can find a lot of examples of strain for SoHyang, and I think it's really fascinating. If you go back several years ago, her technique was light years behind what it is now. It was like she went to some magic vocal boot camp and came out the world's best singer. I suggest looking it up because it's not only super interesting, it's also a great lesson in what hard work can get you. She wasn't just born that talented, bitch *earned it.*
girlie we Know she used to strain... the point is that now she doesn't. that's why a 10 yr old vid of her wasnt put in there
Next you should do head and chest voice, and support vs resonance. Great editing, and thanks for including Slayhyang!
Yes please hihi i still want to learn🙏
Inconspicuous ARMY yes, please!
I'm still pissed at the dingbat who started the whole "oh I.U sang three octaves!1!!1!"
Like wtf? That's three NOTES, not octaves.
Sam. [샘] its note even a full note its a semitone apart
I'm sad that Hyorin lost her technique for these days. She used to support up to F5/F#5.
yk hong i dont think she lost it. Good and Bad days
she lost it. she can only support up to c#5/d5 as of now.
How can you lose your technique tho
Imagine Raptr bad habits. oversinging, straining too much, drinking alcohol, smoking and other bad things that can affect your vocal chord
i can't remember she supports F5/F#5. Isn't it her best just E5/F5 and lost it to C#5/D5?
As I was getting to the end of the vid, I was wondering where you'd find vids of Sohyang straining, but then I saw the "Strain not found" aND FUCKING DIED
chanye west And if EXIDek did, they would probably be from 1998 lol
Sohyang used to strain a lot but that was almost a decade ago.
female vocalists who can support E5 and above are so rare.. that said i kinda miss luna's pinnochio E5s.. and i just realized these were ranked according to mixed voice only
Luna said she developed vocal nodules around that time, so it's possible they kind of ruined her ability to support E5. That said, maybe she'll get it back someday!
Yes, few idols who support E5 are: Luna (F(x)), Lee Haeri (Davichi), Ailee, Shannon, Hyolin (Sistar, in her prime).
Also Taeyeon
@Oscar 053004 Her high note in The Boys was E5.
@Oscar 053004 It was. You can watch some clips of their performances.
when most people always says sohyang is just screaming and everything..But i watch so many video from people who actually learn music saying that she is a great singer..The others just seems so silly..Love sohyang..Others a re great too !! i especially love ailee song
Alisa Zulkiflei they're probably watching old videos of her singing tbh
Alisa Zulkiflei bc she used to be a screamer
i did watch the old performance..she looks so stress and the voice are not properly out.. But people keep commenting on the recent video that she still a screamer which ..hahaha whatever, people never get satisfied in any way right? :D
Alisa Zulkiflei the notes is too way high , it's sound like a screaming even it's actually not I guess..I mean, come on, who could do that without actually sound screaming(to me, it wasn't)..it's too freaking high !
I don’t like SoHyang’s belts but not because it’s strained or anything. I like her singing but at some point where she goes so high with her belts I don’t find it sounding so pleasing anymore to the point it sounds like screaming even though it is supported. That’s my opinion. And to be clear I’m not saying she is a bad singer. I even said i like her singing just not her belting.
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Yasss
Actually she can supported c#6 mixed and E6 with head voice
@@tungduong5276 who
I just KNEW there wasn't going to be any strained notes for Sohyang x)
And honeslty there were like 4-5 singers that sounded nice even with the strain... Or is it just me ? :p
poor vocal chords!!! The amount of hemorrhage that you can cause by straining your voice it doesn’t worth anything!!
SOHYANG’S RANGE IS INSANE LMAO
She doesn't have a Insane Range. She just have a bit more than 3 octaves but the fact is that she has improved her control within this "small" range until becoming a technical goddess. High notes don't do a vocal range. Yeah she can go pretty high but she can't go low.
@@guylianpinchard7157
Lol you actually think 3 octaves of support is easy while some singers barely support 1 or 2.
@@BOREDOM6969 I didn't say that ! I reply to the comm that say that she has an insane range. No she has a normal range ( around 3 octaves) but it's not the vocal range the most important thing, it's the supported vocal range the most important thing and sohyang beats everyone !
@@BOREDOM6969 2 supported octaves is still impressive though ! For a lyric soprano, supporting from G3-G5 or A3-A5 it's really correct ( but really impressive if it's only the chest-mix register).
@@guylianpinchard7157
She has 3 octaves of full support tho.
F3-C#6-F6
Though her consistent supported range is
G3-C#6-E6
Still, for a soprano with a very high tessitura to support G3 (better than some sopranos with average tessitura like Morissette, Regine, and Jona who barely supports A3) is indeed impressive
I hate how female idols are somehow forced to always sing way out of their range. Most of the times they have lower voices than what they are supposed to sing.
True. I 100% agree with you on this. Their voices are treated inhumane and a lack of appreciation for how the voice works. They shouldn't be forced to sing outside their natural voice because it's centered differently. Then what they're extended to be capable of going outside. Also it's abuse of the voice.
Taeyeon and Wendy strained notes still sound heavenly wow
Edit: Shannon too
All this taught me is that I'm mostly likely never going to understand music haha I really can't tell the difference most of the time.
lol me too
It takes a while, but later on your ears would pick up the strain
The easiest way to detect strain is to hear their tension (they sound tense) and be pushy (but in Ailee's case, even if she pushes above D5, she still shows support since her tension is really not that bad).
@@BOREDOM6969 nope. Especially at higher notes, it all sounds strained to me. Also no real visual queues either since they visually look like they’re straining. I can kinda tell through the fourth octave but that’s about it. Sound quality also makes a difference, live performances with music make it harder.
@@Rese_AAMy question is the pitch correction is so good, it is hiding the strained note. Most of the clip in this video have Auto Tunes.
God Sohyang is just amazing. Also Taeyeon can support up to an Eb5 and some even say an E5 now. She’s improved a lot in the past year alone.
Update. She supports F5 now ☺️
@@jennyarriola324 When?
Your channel is going to blow up in the vocal community. These are the videos everyone was requesting, but no one was making them. Thank you 💕💕💕
Honestly I’m so glad you made these videos because to many people freak out just because someone hits the note with pout even stopping to consider if they hit it well.
I saw comments saying Sohyang strain not found so I skipped everything to the end just to see that part.
sohyang is too fabulous to strain her voice
Sohyang is a monster. Seriously C6, wow.
No one should ever be singing 'Tears" just not good for you lol (like some ariana grande songs)
We do it for the lols 😂
Unless you're Sohyang
Or Lee Young Hyun tbh.
I still like it even though most strains it because it's such a hype song lol
Woah..... C6 support...
Sohyang has also supported C#6 belts
Mysterious Creature can you send me link that Sohyang strained ?? I would love to see because
Sohyang never strained in the mix register and head register. When she’s fatigue, her mix got heady and she used more heady placement but resonance still remained. Also with head voice in 6th octave can be a little pushed at times, but still always supported
Amore Arusko no, her E5 and G#5 are still fine (supported , resonant ) in every performance from 2012 til now . Don’t be fooled by KoreanMusicSubs and LegendaryVocalists channel
Amore Arusko give me performances that Sohyang has tense E5, G#5 . U don’t know anything about vocal and that’s why u’re easily be fooled by those people like KoreanMusicSubs/ LegendaryVocalists (Babra hardcore stan)
Lam Do let go lol he will find nonexistent conflicts in sohyang :) his judgements are very innacurate
I was curious to see what performance of Sohyang's you had found i shich she strained her voice. Of course, none. 😍
She actually stained a lot when she debuted
hyorin's strains notes were done outside in the freezing cold in minus 0 degree Celsius! which is super understandable! Yet for some reason her somewhat strained notes still sounded so good. Wow Hyorin is so amazing.
Lol. Even its rarely, Sohyang able to producing a resonant note of C#6 in mixed voice. I think it would be great if you make it into C6/C#6
Nanda Pandu Harjana it's not that rare tbh. She has shown C#6 support multiple times in the past(Upon this rock performances). I'd say her supports of C#6 is just as rare as the C6 ones.
Wendy's strains still sounded good lmao.
Lol SoHyang. Amazing video, I love it!
Queen Hyolyn! Athough her voice regressed (started in 2014), I think this year, she is starting to regain it. Her performance on Fantastic Duo 2 is really awesome and her high notes, humming, and falsetto are great. It's not raspy and strained compared to before and easier for her to hit it. Please rest well so that you will regain it back... 🙏🙏🙏 Btw, thank you for this video. I really love every singer listed here. Fighting!!!
Hans San Diego i think the same of you! Her voice is getting better hope she can regain it
Yea i hoped she can rest her voice and improve again
Hyolyn is back y'all!!!! She's getting consistent with her E5s now and I heard even some F5s. She even started using her head voice and in fact, she supports G5!!!
Sohyang has every singer shaking in their boots. Queens only👑
Sohyang support range :
E3 - C#6 - F6 (best and not consistent)
3 Octaves and a semitone
Her vocal support is even larger than some singer vocal range🤣
sohyang legend vocalist
she is different level
Sohyang be like : what is strain? I just know resonance 😂
sohyang is indeed the best singer in korea. but if youre gonna make vids like this ever again and you wanna include sohyang, try to use her old vids for her straining part. she was a screamer back then. but idk shes just like fine wine, gets better by age. still dont understand how she doesnt loose her voice with her bad technique back then. a queen
R H why did she never lose her voice even though she was a screamer? God's Gift is the answer 😄
Rey H i think the uploader focused on the updated progress/regression...
@@Helloimjunghyun she not 100% screamer, in 2001 or 2002 she already supporting to Eb5/E5
Kpop producers need to be told just because you can doesn’t mean you should
I appreciate that you compared them to themselves. It just goes to show that a singer isn't "bad" just because they have some vocal issues, they're just pushing themselves to far and need more time to develop their range.
you can hear the strain and support.when strain it kinda hurts your ear and you can hear the tension the singer did.but with support you can hear their high notes sounding freely and best for the ear.sounds light
but most vids here the 'supports' are actually resonance
I've heard So Hyang's speaking voice is around an E5. Haven't checked myself but she's literally perfect. Son Seung Yeon is amazing too.
eunji’s strain is so pleasingggg
I've been waiting for this since a I was born
Girl groups in K-Pop is still locked to cutesy, light voices that's why no wonder that the belting support of this girl groups stopped in G4 to Bb4. Supposedly, C5 is the easiest who was train for a very long period of time.
BTW, Taeyeon can support an E5 however, breath support is lacking.
Can you do, support and strain in Head Voice.
Wendy,Yuju and Seunghee say Supported C#5’s and Wendy and Seunghee say supported D5’s🤩
Taeyeon can def not support E5’s, Eb’s yes but E
sohyang supported C#6 too
love these vocal analysis of kpop idols!
I LAUGHED SO HARD AT SOHYANG!!!
404 Error strain not found!
😂😂😂
Thank you for this video! Well made but simple enough to understand. It’s easier to understand strain vs support when hearing it from the same singer’s voice. And it’s done in a way where it’s not pinning one singer against another so you’re not putting anyone down :)
I just wanna say Taeyeon has supported several Eb5s in recent years
Amazing! I'd love to see Yuju here tho. Anyway, thank you for your hard work!! It was a great video!
she is not sohyang, but SlayHyang ㅋㅋㅋ but seriously... I'm crazy of Sohyang and Son Seungyeon
I loved this vid ! It is really well explained and you didn't try to oppose the singers to each other (creating sorts of dilemmas for us lol, or even little fan wars) and I rly enjoyed it!
sorry for the kind of long waiting time (if anybody was waiting lol), my computer broke down when i was almost finished with it the first time and i had to start over e_e #bitter but here it is anyways, enjoy! :)
EXIDek thank you for this video
Are you going to do one on new gen main vocals?
Yeonjung Squishycheeks a lot of the newer groups haven't been analyzed yet, so i can't know for sure when they stop supporting, but maybe one day :)
EXIDek ah okay
Isn’t that note in 1:31 supposed to be a C5 not a B4?
Jam Jam indeed it is a C5, whoops
I never knew wendy's eb5 was strained... It sounded so supported.
LAWR
It's audible that she was pushing and her voice compared to her D5s are very tense
It’s still sounded nice maybe that’s why
Me too
I just have to say that it’s great that there are even this many examples. In Western music, there are only a handful of singers who can support at all, let alone this high. While there are plenty of idols who are improperly trained and use poor technique, I appreciate that companies at least put some effort into training. Western artists mostly seem not to care.
Lol SoHyang in her late 20 (28,29) and her early 30 (31,32) she already support Bb5/B5
Bb5 from Old Dream (Ending is the Upon This Rock Ending)
B5 from cover Mariah Carey Hero
Luna has a supported E5 and Taeyeon has supported Eb5 from the song “Express 999” I think. But great video! and Ailee has a supported G5
Dani Marwan okay thanks! So what would you say are Luna’s and Taeyeon’s supported ranges?
Dani Marwan oh yea ur right
Sohyang is just on another level
Ailee & SoHyang
Wow WENDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY baechu D5 support♡
I was so sure Sohyang was not going to appear in this video, and when she did I got really surprised and was expectant of her straining. Lol. Queen indeed!
Finally someone putted Bohyung (ex-SPICA and KEEMBO), DIA (ex-Kiss & Cry and ex-MATILDA), Ock Joohyun (ex-FIN K.L) and Shannon on something related related to K-pop female vocals! They are very good singers and deserve a lot of recognition
Our queen Sohyang
Sohyang is an absolute goddess, I have no idea what we've done to deserve her. Also, the fact that Kyuhyun supports notes higher than some of the female vocalists really blows my mind.
Sohyang's supported range is acually F#3/G3 - C6/C#6 I think, but I'm not educated or anything lmao. It just sounds like it :)
It's incredible that she still improves by the age of 40, when most singers would slowly get worse. The wonder of technique!
TheHufflePug
Recently, she supported E3 but it's safe to say she supports consistently in F#3/G3 - C6/C#6 - E6
Oh My Jinnie
Ohmy Sohyang supported an E6? :O At which performance?
@@justanobody8709
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@@justanobody8709 I think they mean a supported E6 in head voice, not mixed/belting.
@@justanobody8709 her highest support is F6 in head when sing Mariah Carey song (i forgot)
Sohyang Ailee Hyorin best!
09:55 So hyang👸 Powerful💪 performance💃 resonance Queen 🔈🔉🔊 😘😍😻
Actually cackled at the end. Sohyang is really something else :D
Sohyang, Sohyang, Sohyang... I love her !! She absolutely AMAZING !!! 😍😍
I just love how Lee Haeri rarely jumps away from her supported range. Although she still needs to improve her vibrato.
Sohyang please don't do this to me 😂 i'm being addicted to your highnotes 😂
Goosebumps from start to finish! These women!! Really!! There are so many talented singers in korea!
So hyang is me when in the shower... the difference is i sound like a dying dolphin
I don't know much about octaves but the supported ones just sound... fuller? Like there is much more sound to it. But like there is also plenty of room for playing with it, smoothly going up and down in notes.
Sohyang belting C6
Me: can't belt an C5
Are you a man or woman?
Are you Tenor or not?
not fully supported belting does not mean yelling.
theres a long spectrum between supported belting and yelling
I love how as the list goes one the skill of the vocalists increase until reaching sohyang who's perfect
Sohyang is a monster ! To be honest I don’t like her tone when she goes above a certain note but those skills though, nobody can deny that 😍
I literally don't know what you guys are talking about... I'm just enjoying
What a GREAT way to end the video xD LOVED it xD SOHYANG!!! xD
Sohyang proving that sh'es the QUEEN. ♥
Seems like a lot of vocalists struggle with that E5.
the way wendy supported and f#5 in "la rouge" !!!!!!! can't wait to see her level in the next years!
Wait, what?!
9:31 LOVE her so much ❤️
And sohyang of course
I had to keep on replaying Sohyang's high notes because they were just SOO godly and amazing!😍
Look at the real queen in the last video lol😂😂😂 i think Lee young hyun should be here. i want to know her support rang.
jean ja and i want park ki young too.
Manh Cam Nguyen wait she has supported up to Bb5? O_o
& I agree, PKY is really overrated.
Manh Cam Nguyen oh i see. thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Manh Cam Nguyen ohh I know that MV & I already know that note was LYH, I just thought it's unsupported. How about the live version tho? Did she support that Bb5?
@@resurgingflame The studio version could be just really edited, who really knows. The live Bb5 was not good though.
I still have a really bad time at distinguishing strained and supported but these videos help a bit, thx!
Haeri&Son Seungyeon❤👍
Soyhang is a real queen. She so amazing
Damn, a lot of these unsupported notes aren't even THAT off from support (mostly C5-D5s). Koop girlies shit on Western singers
Cos Mendez *Kpop *girls
Cos Mendez KOOOOOOP GIRLS YEAHHHHH HAHAHHA IM DYING
Minah's supported notes were so nice 😍 still one of my favorite performances she's ever done
Taeyeonnie 💗
1:59 I SWEAR THIS VIDEO SHOWS UP IN EVERY VOCAL SUPPORT VS STRAIN VIDEO ITS AS IF IUS STRAIN IS HAUNTING ME
Taeyeon supported Eb5 in her own song "Night"
I feel like everytime I see these discussions, there isn’t any, but ought to be, a bigger distinction between “unsupported” and “strained”.
I don’t have exceptionally well trained ears so in like 95% of cases I can’t actually tell when someone is “supporting” or not, but I can get ally heat strain, or something that is not pleasing to my untrained ears.
Plenty of times I listen to imo beautiful singing and vocalizations but someone will say they’re not supporting. Other times the same thing applies but I can hear them essentially screeching.
So there must be a difference between supported, unsupported, and strained singing.
I FUCKING LOVE YOU FOR THAT ENDING OMG, AS A SOHYANG LOVER I AM NOT SUPER HYPE LMAO
Sohyang is my ultimate bias