its actually my old truck. the dent they pointed out in the first episode is from where i went to hit my wife but missed and hit the truck. Sure miss that old girl. gobless.
I love how these guys made stuff seem simple when you didn’t know anything as a kid shows like this give a lot of confidence to people starting out, plus I’m loving these truck videos
Chevy guy : “where did you put the turbo?” Ford guy : “ Right After the cats so they can heat the inlet air up and make the turbo hotter.” Chevy guy : “Well at least you have an intercooler for the outlet air” Ford guy : ☹️
@CockYaLegS blah-blah-blah, they'd be better off either with a CRY02 system to use CO2 to force cool the pipe...I've done it with a 20oz Paintball CO2 tank before with a stainless steel braided _Paintball Remote Tank Line_ into a hole I drilled into an Autozone cold air intake and a fitting I made myself with parts I found by chance at a hardware store in Ashland, Massachusetts which isn't even there anymore last I saw... I opened the remote line valve, it sprayed CO2 straight into the cold air intake pipe, and SOMETHING DEFINITELY HAPPENED....
This is the worst placement for a turbo IMO. What happens when they lose a universal joint and sling the driveshaft out beating the turbo to death in the process.
Yeah true. But a little known fact is that he, & Amish Mike do tutorials for the Victoria's Secret ladies in the art of making love. That's why they always looks so tired & drained!
basshead Yeah sure is & when he's not building & tuning engines, he gives tutorials to the Victoria's Secret ladies in how to make love the Amish Mike way!
Damn! Powernation is on top of things. Love love love all the videos on a daily basis! Reminds me of watching spike tv back in the day on Saturday/Sunday mornings.
Miss our old 94 Lightning we had 2000-2006. Stock engine..Vortech S trim @ 15 psi,Powerstroke intercooler,long tubes....made well into the mid 400s and ran 12.0's @ 113-114 with the stock convertor and just a Level 10 shift kit in the trans. EEC tuner still with the stock speed density.
Really sweet turbo set up. I must say, I would want to be able to drive during the rain and don't really see that being realized with where the turbo is. Can't wait to see the dyno pulls for both these.
Remove the spacer and delete the EGR. The added pressure differential inherent with turbocharging makes egr tuning difficult and is why most manufacturers now simulate egr with variable cam timing.
You have it backwards. The manifold to the throttle body but the restriction is actually the factory size EGR spacer. Don’t understand why they didn’t also get the EGR spacer
@Adam Lolno hydrolocking is when you intake a liquid (almost always water of some sort, rain, wading through a river etc) into the motor and cylinders. Water is a lot denser than air, and it cant be compressed as well. Your pistons rise in the cylinders and try to compress something that doesnt compress and your motor almost 99% of the time is completely trashed, like throwaway worthy. His intake (the filter on the turbo) is under the car.... with no shield.... on a lowered truck.... you get me?
There is this new thing the kids are doing called rain, but whatever. Fucking pointless with that big ugly charge pipe and blow off under the hood anyway. And the air is probably gonna be hot as hell by the time it hits the intake as well.
The turbocharger would have easily fit in the engine bay. Less ducting, added cooled oil from engine, ease pf servicing. I would have optioned for 2 smaller turbo instead of one larger one.
@@shigeolincolntaco Yeah, however with this whole lot of piping your turbo lag is enormous. To spool up your turbo you need to wait a while and to compress air in pipe so long it takes time too.
That placement is optimal. When the wastgate opens, the exhaust wants to flow straight into the wastgate rather than turning 90 degrees up into the turbo. They did a great job.
@@madmax2069 but what concerns me with the pod filter getting drenched driving in a rainstorm with the mist of water underneath the truck from the tires
Michael Cuff ... Adding a supercharger doesn't lighten the vehicle. Or were you talking about two different procedures? Lightening the vehicle elsewhere and then adding a supercharger to the lightened vehicle? Lightening about any vehicle will help with acceleration if enough weight is removed. Of course it needs to be taken from an area that won't reduce drive tires traction, or it could be detrimental to actual acceleration, due to wheel spin.
Even the supercharged Lightning got torched by the GMC Syclone. Which is the fastest stock production truck ever built. That record still stands today.
Guardrail nope, Roush Nitemare has held the record for a year or two. Before that the ram srt10 was holding the trophy. The syclone has been defeated for years.
Bought one of these STS kits 3 years ago used for $250 and cut it up to build a turbo kit for my ls swapped C10. That little T66 turbo was a bit laggy as a rear mount but lit off right off idle mounted up front behind a 6.0. Of course it had so much back pressure it felt like I was actually losing power above 5000rpms. 🙄
I know the pipe running back to the front from the rear mounted Turbo is supposed to help cool the charge. but I'm sorry I'd never put a turbo on without an intercooler. Plus that return pipe is too close to the exhaust you're going to get heat soak I don't care what they say he needs some kind of heat shield on it
no one cares what the engine does after you let off the throttle tho. It might cause it to pop and sputter, but that 5.0 will be at 4.5k - 2.5k RPM, and will just be free spinning, with minimal fuel and wear on the motor. Also not out of the realm to hear at a Street orientated Drag night. hell, Sloppy mechanic's Matt has been doing BOV next to the MAF for years at this point on his chevy builds
When I was 18 I worked at a buy here, pay here dealership and he got on a pickup kick. For some reason he bought a red 93 Lightning 351 and a black 90 Chevy 454SS at auction and I drove them both because I grew up in the 80s and 90s, so these trucks were icons. The 454SS was quick, but in stock form other than an exhaust, it wasn't very much faster than a standard single cab 350 1500. The Lightning felt totally different from a standard 302 powered F-150, or even a 351 powered F-250. It was quick and powerful and it actually handled decently after we replaced the shocks, springs, and all bushings. I honestly couldn't imagine turbocharging that truck, and if the engine is healthy enough without blowby and no oil consumption, it'll handle more than 7-10 lbs of boost with supporting mods like new quality MLS head gaskets, head studs, a boost focused cam, maybe some heads (but not necessary), bigger injectors, larger fuel pump, and a standalone engine management system like Megasquirt or AEM. With a good tune that 351 with the STS kit should have no problem making 6-700 whp (depending on how big the exhaust housing is on that turbo and how much boost it's capable of producing. That being said, you could always upgrade the turbocharger later down the road. The same could be said for that 454, but it can also be Procharged...😉
I don't ever remember the 454SS being an 'icon'. It was universally dogged by everybody when it came out. Absolutely no one liked that truck, not even us GM guys, lol. And you will NEVER get 6-700hp at 7-10 psi on that 351. ESPECIALLY with those crap cast-iron GT-40 heads, LOL.
This was the best shows comparing these iconic trucks! The Lightening inspired me to build 2 bad ass trucks in my life. Currently it’s a Red ‘07 Chevy single cab fully built 6.0 lq4 D1 Procharger and Jakes Performance 4l80 3600 stall. 675whp on only 11psi....Built by Asylum Motorsports. Single cab short beds will always be my passion. Can’t wait till they show the final episode.
I've seen this truck north of Syracuse New York around 2009--2013 I recognize the exhaust underneath it because I was underneath looking at it . the guy that was checking the oil or doing something for the owner had the hood open so I could see the valve covers to.
Everything to not do with a Turbo. No intercooler Horrible intake placement. Right next to the hot side. Cold side running parallel with hot side. 5 psi.....
Nothing like taking the longest cold side and pitting an extra huge loop in it under the hood! I think the Chevy is going to be the victor vs worst turbo kit ever
There used to be a band called Lagwagon and they rocked. They should name this truck Lagwagon in tribute to the band and in reference to the 15sqft of intake that has to be pressurized before boost comes on.
Wrap the exhaust pipe, or have it ceramic coated. It's the heat that drives the turbo. The gases expand when they cool. You don't want them to lose heat before use.
Yes the truck is legal in atleast Virginia where im at where if your vehicle is atleast 25 years old emissions is not required in inspection. My 94 k2500 just passed without one
@@seancarraher You're a fuckin' moron. Because it's a Ford?? What the fuck sense does that make?! I'll tell you what I'm a Chevy guy but the 90's ford are so much better their interior and body exterior looks way better and more modern, their engines look much nicer, much more modern looking, cleaner... not some gay ass looking air cleaner sitting on top looking like carbureted bull shit then you have square body with rounded nice interior in the later 90's with old ass style looking 350 with a top hat air cleaner still on a throttle body fuel injection bull shit.
@@TRX450RVlogger Well said. I'm a Ford guy, so I might have bias. So hearing a Chevy fan share my point of view on 90's Ford trucks makes me feel better. I will say though, the newer GMC Sierras are really some damn fine looking trucks.
@@fwh79FOXR6 For sure man! I love the Chevy's and I love Fords, it's the Dodges I cannot stand to be honest. I only respect a Cummin's but that's i not to mention that the Cumin's isn't even a Dodge Product though lol.
@@TRX450RVlogger I feel like it's pretty hard to beat the new GM trucks. I am interested in seeing how the new pushrod Ford engine does. Maybe Ford will start making better trucks now. Dodge trucks are really kind of boring. I don't think they can compete with GM. The new Sierra is just a damn sexy vehicle. That's hard to beat.
Should have turbo the bbc and new haltech ecu system to that bbc haltech makes an ecu for 87-92 to fully tune as ob2. Thats honestly the issue with the tbi u cant tune it fully... sweet idea for the lighting though.
I miss my 94 Lightning so much. :( Should have put a punisher comp valve body and 3000 stall converter in the trans. Made a huge difference in mine. No intercooler??
Exactly. You will be forced to install the oxygen sensors in the pressure side of the exhaust system then. Wideband (and to a lesser extent narrowband) oxygen sensors will have their results skewed by the pressure differential between the sense element and ambient. AEM makes a kit for their multiple wideband controller that includes an exhaust MAP sensor and can compensate accordingly, but thats so far the only kit I know of that can do that function. You also have to deal with the increased heat levels pre turbo.
It really needs a little air to air intercooler to make good use of that turbo. I bet you could get an extra 150 horsepower with 7 psi with a cooled air charge.
I almost fell out of my chair when he said they were switching from a speed density setup to a mass air sensor to accommodate for a turbocharger! I can only assume thats to keep it "plug and play" because they can't tune it themselves. Seems like a lot of money wasted to essentially take a step backwards.
@@benruether8294 I did a speed density stand alone on my 1988 Mustang in 2004, from Western Motorsports called the SDS, it cost about $1400 or so back in those days and was not quite plug and play but close. The car ran great like that for about 14 years and now has a Holley HP EFI in it.
@@ProfessorLX I'm dealing with my stock cobra j3jl computer at the moment which has the worst spark tables known to man. Lol, it will be gone soon for my next engine coming around spring next year.
@Brian My point is speed density is much easier and better to tune with when you are able to make your own fuel and timing maps and tune yourself. Mass air is a lot more "user friendly" so to speak so I get why they used it in this episode. I was also shocked that he put the mass air sensor right before the TB. That's kind of an old school cheater trick I've seen used in the old Mazdaspeed crowd. Believe me I'm all for the down and dirty tricks that work and don't cost a fortune.
@Brian There were other ways to tune a Ford back then. I wasn't talking about a stock Ford ECU though. They basically just piggybacked the stock ecu which was the norm for most backyard hot rodders back then.
Put the inlet under the truck as far from the intake as possible? And next to the dirt and water... seems like a great idea. lol I wonder what the turbo lag is going to be...
I'm a little bit of a gearhead but not as much of these guys, so help me out. Would having the turbo so far away from the engine, and having the intake underneath where stuff like water in rain conditions affect the power deliver or longevity of the turbo? Most are mounted in a place where water or debris isn't really an issue, so I'm not clear what the advantage of this is other than not being visible to the naked eye looking under the hood as a sleeper mod.
Around about how much money did y'all have to put into each of these trucks to upgrade them? I'm wanting a newer Camaro ss2, but the price for one is ridiculous so I'm considering going this route, but not if it'll come out to about the same price after the upgrades
Now since the turbo is where it is it now no longer has much real world driveability . Cool track truck that's for sure. Maybe reroute the air filter/snorkel?
FILTER GET DIRTY?: Not really, washable oil-wetted filters don't filter worth a fuck they are essentially strainers. Much of the dust/dirt landing on the filter pass through it.
I remember seeing this new on Saturday morning tv. Interesting to see how far efi has come since most stand alone ecus now come with map sensors and gotten away from maf sensors. Maf aren't infinity tunable they have there limits
Damn I remember watching this about 10 years ago on Saturday or Sunday mornings good times
On “spike”
Ah yes!
A much simpler time!
Yup me too
Made me have a nastolgia attack I was 8 years old watching this
OMG!! This is my old Lightning!! The valve covers are embarrassing but this is so cool! It looks great. I miss that truck.
Did they tell you it would be on a TV show
Yeah that's my old truck too! Sorry about the welds... was hammered.
@@deeplyclosetedindividual wat
its actually my old truck. the dent they pointed out in the first episode is from where i went to hit my wife but missed and hit the truck. Sure miss that old girl. gobless.
The wife or the truck?@@gordonbombay676
I feel like the narrator always wears sunglasses while recording lol
LoL
I do!
What if it’s that one blind surfer dude
@@thiccckkkqqqboii5981 that would be awesome
Raybans too 😂😂
"They kicked me out of the shop but this is what they did"
I love how these guys made stuff seem simple when you didn’t know anything as a kid shows like this give a lot of confidence to people starting out, plus I’m loving these truck videos
Chevy guy : “where did you put the turbo?”
Ford guy : “ Right After the cats so they
can heat the inlet air up and
make the turbo hotter.”
Chevy guy : “Well at least you have an
intercooler for the outlet air”
Ford guy : ☹️
Agreed. One of the weirdest things I've seen
@CockYaLegS
blah-blah-blah, they'd be better off either with a CRY02 system to use CO2 to force cool the pipe...I've done it with a 20oz Paintball CO2 tank before with a stainless steel braided _Paintball Remote Tank Line_ into a hole I drilled into an Autozone cold air intake and a fitting I made myself with parts I found by chance at a hardware store in Ashland, Massachusetts which isn't even there anymore last I saw... I opened the remote line valve, it sprayed CO2 straight into the cold air intake pipe, and SOMETHING DEFINITELY HAPPENED....
seancarraher I’m dead
This is the worst placement for a turbo IMO. What happens when they lose a universal joint and sling the driveshaft out beating the turbo to death in the process.
uder the truck so it can suck up the roadwash
The first gen Lighting will always be my favorite.
Love this one for sure!
“You see all these boxes? You’re not gonna find out what’s in them until it’s too late, so get your sh*t and get out.” 🤣💀
Old Tommy back there all quiet gettin no love
billiondollardan 😂😂😂
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Yeah true. But a little known fact is that he, & Amish Mike do tutorials for the Victoria's Secret ladies in the art of making love. That's why they always looks so tired & drained!
He must be the work horse, you can't get things done without one.
It's a smart move bringing Tommy into the team, he's a hardworking genius.
Now recruit Amish Mike & your certain to win!
Amish Mike is the best.
basshead
Yeah sure is & when he's not building & tuning engines, he gives tutorials to the Victoria's Secret ladies in how to make love the Amish Mike way!
who is tommy and why are you in love?
catfisher420 so you've watched powernation but you don't know who Tommy Boshers, is?
Damn! Powernation is on top of things. Love love love all the videos on a daily basis! Reminds me of watching spike tv back in the day on Saturday/Sunday mornings.
Miss our old 94 Lightning we had 2000-2006. Stock engine..Vortech S trim @ 15 psi,Powerstroke intercooler,long tubes....made well into the mid 400s and ran 12.0's @ 113-114 with the stock convertor and just a Level 10 shift kit in the trans. EEC tuner still with the stock speed density.
E-FORTY-D! Gotta laugh again!!!🤣🤣🤣
Glad I'm not the only one. Lol. E4OD, as in Overdrive. 🤦♂️😂
I was thinking exactly the same thing 😂
Lol that’s what I said too
Is this guy really qualified? Or does he just play one on t.v.
Yeah lol
Really sweet turbo set up. I must say, I would want to be able to drive during the rain and don't really see that being realized with where the turbo is. Can't wait to see the dyno pulls for both these.
Let's put this 75mm throttle body up against the stock small bore EGR spacer. I'm sure it will help...
That's what I was thinking.
Get the same flow as the stock tb
I think this all looks fairly futile... Probably end up with an extra 50 horses from when it was new.
hearin ya but isnt that spacer still bigger than 75 mm
Yeah theyre gonna make MAYBE 300whp on this turd
Remove the spacer and delete the EGR. The added pressure differential inherent with turbocharging makes egr tuning difficult and is why most manufacturers now simulate egr with variable cam timing.
Hope that throttle body was port matched to the intake manifold.
Otherwise you get the same flow as the old throttle body.
Well it was a BBK throttle body anyways ive seen a few of them fall apart while making runs on dyno
You have it backwards. The manifold to the throttle body but the restriction is actually the factory size EGR spacer. Don’t understand why they didn’t also get the EGR spacer
That's a horrendous valve cover modification.
You bet, we all know if you want to increase HP you gotta dent the headers not the valve covers.
Oh baby, good luck having that turbo sitting under there. You're gonna hydrolock rolling over a spilled soda.
@Adam Lolno hydrolocking is when you intake a liquid (almost always water of some sort, rain, wading through a river etc) into the motor and cylinders. Water is a lot denser than air, and it cant be compressed as well. Your pistons rise in the cylinders and try to compress something that doesnt compress and your motor almost 99% of the time is completely trashed, like throwaway worthy. His intake (the filter on the turbo) is under the car.... with no shield.... on a lowered truck.... you get me?
They mentioned making a sheet metal splash shield
There is this new thing the kids are doing called rain, but whatever. Fucking pointless with that big ugly charge pipe and blow off under the hood anyway. And the air is probably gonna be hot as hell by the time it hits the intake as well.
Sixth Lord the air will be hot because it’s compressed. All of the extra tubing actually will help dissipate heat like a charge air cooler.
@@Highstranger951 I think it will not due to the fact that all that extra intake is routed so close to the exhaust
The turbocharger would have easily fit in the engine bay. Less ducting, added cooled oil from engine, ease pf servicing. I would have optioned for 2 smaller turbo instead of one larger one.
The turbo under the hood wouldnt be hard at all and intercooler it and efficiently be way better
@@codyparker679 The long run from the turbo back to the engine acts like a intercooler
@@shigeolincolntaco Yeah, however with this whole lot of piping your turbo lag is enormous. To spool up your turbo you need to wait a while and to compress air in pipe so long it takes time too.
This is STS's commercial spot.
Got to wonder if they got a load of 3" pipe that has been lieng around for ages, and they wanted rid of....
How to spray wd40 on the floor
Glad to see E-40 is still expanding his business model ! Rapper, entertainer, entrepreneur, transmission designer...…...uhg!!!
So you can get all of that “POE-tential”. Love that part
It was cute when he said it has to pass emissions.
Brian Adams hank hill wouldn’t ever miss an emissions test
Lord, can only imagine the boost creep with that wastegate placement.
It has to feel laggy to with all that tubing from turbo to engine.
What about the turbo lag with the turbo placement ?
That placement is optimal. When the wastgate opens, the exhaust wants to flow straight into the wastgate rather than turning 90 degrees up into the turbo. They did a great job.
@bobwatters turbo placement is just fine, with a splash shield you wont have to worry about much.
@@madmax2069 but what concerns me with the pod filter getting drenched driving in a rainstorm with the mist of water underneath the truck from the tires
I always had a hard time waking up Sunday mornings to watch these shows. Pretty fun being able to watch them!
The Lightening with the supercharger is no joke!
Michael Cuff ... Adding a supercharger doesn't lighten the vehicle. Or were you talking about two different procedures? Lightening the vehicle elsewhere and then adding a supercharger to the lightened vehicle? Lightening about any vehicle will help with acceleration if enough weight is removed. Of course it needs to be taken from an area that won't reduce drive tires traction, or it could be detrimental to actual acceleration, due to wheel spin.
Mason Elam ... What truck?
Or what truck dude?
J W fuckin sad
@@JW...-oj5iw he spealt Lightning wrong
Yes!!!!!! Was waiting for episode 3!
All us Chevy guys know those Lightnings are no joke
The problem with the SS trucks was the TBI. If there would have been a comparable mpfi setup the truck wouldn't have been so bad
Even the supercharged Lightning got torched by the GMC Syclone. Which is the fastest stock production truck ever built. That record still stands today.
Guardrail nope, Roush Nitemare has held the record for a year or two. Before that the ram srt10 was holding the trophy. The syclone has been defeated for years.
@@Highstranger951 Sorry dude. Go back and research. The Ram SRT10 was 2/10ths slower. I'll research the Nightmare. I've never heard of it.
@@JW...-oj5iw Oops.
They should find a buddy that knows how to weld
Says "electronic boost valve" while holding up a manually adjustable regulator as demonstration. God I love these guys. 😂
Love the turbo set up
I lol so hard at the turbo drain line. Turbo smoke city here we come.
I've never seen anything like this happening in a normal person's garage.
I slapped together a twin turbo 351w in my normal garage this year. Except my headers ended up resembling the valve covers in this video.
You need less normal friends.
What's your idea of " normal "?
I think you were looking for the word " lame " or " boring ".
I remember this episode on TV like 10 yrs ago....
Yeah, that's what i was guessing.
Wow so this is pretty old then huh! I was wondering!
Since the closing shot shows a 2010 'rights reserved,' I'd say you were about right.
Lol, I was wondering about that smart straw, too. Now they got the bendable straws. I keep one or two off the empty cans for other misc sprays.
Yeah almost completely irrelevant.
Gotta move those dusty 6al boxes & 4150 double pumpers.
Ain’t nothing like a Truck with a Turbo😍😍😍
When you don’t want a dump pipe coming out the hood so you put the turbo under the bed
Dirty D 😂😂😂😂
Bought one of these STS kits 3 years ago used for $250 and cut it up to build a turbo kit for my ls swapped C10. That little T66 turbo was a bit laggy as a rear mount but lit off right off idle mounted up front behind a 6.0. Of course it had so much back pressure it felt like I was actually losing power above 5000rpms. 🙄
This is the ugliest turbo system I've seen lol
Good thing you cant see it when it's down on the wheels
Its would look and perform better up front not tucked away all ugly with long ass boosted pipes
Can we say turbo lag
@@ryanh1222 yea..57mins. Later.. I got your comment!😂
@@scarface9617 Lmfao.
I know the pipe running back to the front from the rear mounted Turbo is supposed to help cool the charge. but I'm sorry I'd never put a turbo on without an intercooler. Plus that return pipe is too close to the exhaust you're going to get heat soak I don't care what they say he needs some kind of heat shield on it
That's my old lightning⚡ holy crap...it really is, No Way!!! Unless the custom valve cover mod was more popular than I thought haha
Vid was made 10 yrs ago did u sell a lightning round then?
@@haatch999 had it for a year after highschool. Class of 06👍🤷🤔
Who did your exhaust? It looks like a blind guy did the welding
What was the purpose of the valve cover "mod"?
Holley efi is a game changer now with trans control built in , using a trans controller and a piggy back mass air ecu makes for a bunch of clutter .
Man these guys are working the shit out of poor ole Tommy 😂. They do all the talking while he's doing all the work.
Doesn't want turbulence into the MAF but then puts a BOV immediately in front of it...
no one cares what the engine does after you let off the throttle tho. It might cause it to pop and sputter, but that 5.0 will be at 4.5k - 2.5k RPM, and will just be free spinning, with minimal fuel and wear on the motor. Also not out of the realm to hear at a Street orientated Drag night. hell, Sloppy mechanic's Matt has been doing BOV next to the MAF for years at this point on his chevy builds
thats a good idea , as it vents pressure not exactly large amounts of air, and its venting pre maf , so the maf dont know about that air.
@@themotorfreak1 Just to let you know, the Lightning's came with a 351 Windsor 5.8, not a 5.0. Both great engines though!
Tony K holy fuck these idiots would've been better off just throwing some good heads a good cam and a decent intake on it.....
@@themotorfreak1 exactly, people are just idiots.
Nothing like revisiting old episodes.
How old is this stuff
duramax
I’m guessing 2010. I remember watching this series when they were new episodes. It’s been awhile.
When I was 18 I worked at a buy here, pay here dealership and he got on a pickup kick. For some reason he bought a red 93 Lightning 351 and a black 90 Chevy 454SS at auction and I drove them both because I grew up in the 80s and 90s, so these trucks were icons. The 454SS was quick, but in stock form other than an exhaust, it wasn't very much faster than a standard single cab 350 1500. The Lightning felt totally different from a standard 302 powered F-150, or even a 351 powered F-250. It was quick and powerful and it actually handled decently after we replaced the shocks, springs, and all bushings. I honestly couldn't imagine turbocharging that truck, and if the engine is healthy enough without blowby and no oil consumption, it'll handle more than 7-10 lbs of boost with supporting mods like new quality MLS head gaskets, head studs, a boost focused cam, maybe some heads (but not necessary), bigger injectors, larger fuel pump, and a standalone engine management system like Megasquirt or AEM. With a good tune that 351 with the STS kit should have no problem making 6-700 whp (depending on how big the exhaust housing is on that turbo and how much boost it's capable of producing. That being said, you could always upgrade the turbocharger later down the road. The same could be said for that 454, but it can also be Procharged...😉
I don't ever remember the 454SS being an 'icon'. It was universally dogged by everybody when it came out. Absolutely no one liked that truck, not even us GM guys, lol. And you will NEVER get 6-700hp at 7-10 psi on that 351. ESPECIALLY with those crap cast-iron GT-40 heads, LOL.
This was the best shows comparing these iconic trucks! The Lightening inspired me to build 2 bad ass trucks in my life. Currently it’s a Red ‘07 Chevy single cab fully built 6.0 lq4 D1 Procharger and Jakes Performance 4l80 3600 stall. 675whp on only 11psi....Built by Asylum Motorsports. Single cab short beds will always be my passion. Can’t wait till they show the final episode.
I've seen this truck north of Syracuse New York around 2009--2013 I recognize the exhaust underneath it because I was underneath looking at it . the guy that was checking the oil or doing something for the owner had the hood open so I could see the valve covers to.
This channel is awesome
every day I look forward to a fresh series on cars
Holly mother of lag 😬😬
Everything to not do with a Turbo.
No intercooler
Horrible intake placement. Right next to the hot side.
Cold side running parallel with hot side.
5 psi.....
For real they should have atleast threw a meth injection kit on there to ensure the intake temps are cool
Nothing like taking the longest cold side and pitting an extra huge loop in it under the hood!
I think the Chevy is going to be the victor vs worst turbo kit ever
Its actually a proven technology STS turbos has been running this type of setup for years
@@groucho692 junk...
Well guess if it rains turn the boost up and that stock egr spacer with bigger tb and boost great idea.
I miss my 93 lightning great video
The Ford is going to hit peak boost by the time the race is over is all that turbo lag. Lol.
A 428 stroker kit would have made this a more apples-to-apples comparison. But hindsight...
There used to be a band called Lagwagon and they rocked. They should name this truck Lagwagon in tribute to the band and in reference to the 15sqft of intake that has to be pressurized before boost comes on.
Plans to increase power, adds turbo, then puts cats in to restrict said power 🤦♂️
Theyre a sponsored show. They cant depict or condone "illegal" mods
They are high flow cats, it’ll be ok.
@@bigboreracing356 Lmao
"Can't depict or condone illegal mods"
Pans into them doing donuts on public roads.
Legality matters and the power loss will be minimal.
Ahh yes, the missing center caps on that Chevy is all I need to know about the previous owner.
And the exhaust on that Ford? God have mercy…
All that work to those trucks and still slower than a stock GMC Syclone.
A Matt Happel LS swap would be cheaper and make more HP. But when big companies buy you shit I guess they won't complain
"Hey Tommy, grab the mallet for these new valve covers we put on!"
Wrap the exhaust pipe, or have it ceramic coated. It's the heat that drives the turbo. The gases expand when they cool. You don't want them to lose heat before use.
Yes the truck is legal in atleast Virginia where im at where if your vehicle is atleast 25 years old emissions is not required in inspection. My 94 k2500 just passed without one
Today you clamp the turbo directly on the head for better responce. You also avoid to much piping. This one is going to laaaaag!!!!
Love that ford man so cool
That has to be the Most Stupid Mount idea I've ever seen for a turbo...…… Seems like a bad location due to water dirt and grime.
George Tinc Well it’s a Ford so it makes sense lol
@@seancarraher You're a fuckin' moron. Because it's a Ford?? What the fuck sense does that make?! I'll tell you what I'm a Chevy guy but the 90's ford are so much better their interior and body exterior looks way better and more modern, their engines look much nicer, much more modern looking, cleaner... not some gay ass looking air cleaner sitting on top looking like carbureted bull shit then you have square body with rounded nice interior in the later 90's with old ass style looking 350 with a top hat air cleaner still on a throttle body fuel injection bull shit.
@@TRX450RVlogger Well said. I'm a Ford guy, so I might have bias. So hearing a Chevy fan share my point of view on 90's Ford trucks makes me feel better. I will say though, the newer GMC Sierras are really some damn fine looking trucks.
@@fwh79FOXR6 For sure man! I love the Chevy's and I love Fords, it's the Dodges I cannot stand to be honest. I only respect a Cummin's but that's i not to mention that the Cumin's isn't even a Dodge Product though lol.
@@TRX450RVlogger I feel like it's pretty hard to beat the new GM trucks. I am interested in seeing how the new pushrod Ford engine does. Maybe Ford will start making better trucks now. Dodge trucks are really kind of boring. I don't think they can compete with GM. The new Sierra is just a damn sexy vehicle. That's hard to beat.
Should have turbo the bbc and new haltech ecu system to that bbc haltech makes an ecu for 87-92 to fully tune as ob2. Thats honestly the issue with the tbi u cant tune it fully... sweet idea for the lighting though.
I miss my 94 Lightning so much. :( Should have put a punisher comp valve body and 3000 stall converter in the trans. Made a huge difference in mine. No intercooler??
what happened to it??
@@P71ScrewHead Had a blow out that destroyed the side of the bed. Never had the time to fix it and it just sat for a few years until I sold it.
@@popwarhomie Damn, that sucks, I got many cars myself just sitting, gotta fix up or get rid of, ouch..lol
Will the turbo intake hold up on a rainy day?
meanwhile you could easily use any centri blower or front mounted turbo and make alot more power on that 351
Catalytic placed pre turbo is a terrible idea. Always mount post turbo
Exactly. You will be forced to install the oxygen sensors in the pressure side of the exhaust system then. Wideband (and to a lesser extent narrowband) oxygen sensors will have their results skewed by the pressure differential between the sense element and ambient. AEM makes a kit for their multiple wideband controller that includes an exhaust MAP sensor and can compensate accordingly, but thats so far the only kit I know of that can do that function. You also have to deal with the increased heat levels pre turbo.
It really needs a little air to air intercooler to make good use of that turbo. I bet you could get an extra 150 horsepower with 7 psi with a cooled air charge.
I almost fell out of my chair when he said they were switching from a speed density setup to a mass air sensor to accommodate for a turbocharger! I can only assume thats to keep it "plug and play" because they can't tune it themselves. Seems like a lot of money wasted to essentially take a step backwards.
15 years ago, everbody did it this way. Not sure why, maybe stand alone speed density was too expensive. I'm going with Holley Terminator X for my sbf
@@benruether8294 I did a speed density stand alone on my 1988 Mustang in 2004, from Western Motorsports called the SDS, it cost about $1400 or so back in those days and was not quite plug and play but close. The car ran great like that for about 14 years and now has a Holley HP EFI in it.
@@ProfessorLX I'm dealing with my stock cobra j3jl computer at the moment which has the worst spark tables known to man. Lol, it will be gone soon for my next engine coming around spring next year.
@Brian My point is speed density is much easier and better to tune with when you are able to make your own fuel and timing maps and tune yourself. Mass air is a lot more "user friendly" so to speak so I get why they used it in this episode. I was also shocked that he put the mass air sensor right before the TB. That's kind of an old school cheater trick I've seen used in the old Mazdaspeed crowd. Believe me I'm all for the down and dirty tricks that work and don't cost a fortune.
@Brian There were other ways to tune a Ford back then. I wasn't talking about a stock Ford ECU though. They basically just piggybacked the stock ecu which was the norm for most backyard hot rodders back then.
Put the inlet under the truck as far from the intake as possible? And next to the dirt and water... seems like a great idea. lol
I wonder what the turbo lag is going to be...
Dude that filter is gonna light on fire that close to the exhaust haha.
I think the turbo setup hurt me physically I know this aired 10+ years ago but good god.
Plenty of space under the hood to place that Turbo and a small intercooler!
Wish the Ford build went stroker build. Like a 396+. I'm sure wherever this truck is now hopefully someone took off the garage rear turbo set up.
I say the FORD is going to win in the end
E-4-OD not E-40-D
They say this because it's quicker to say, rolls off the tongue better. Similar to when someone refers to a mustang w/ the 5.0L, they say 5O
I love this channel!!!! Pretty cool builds
That is a LOOOOONG way for air to travel to and from the turbo
I think I would have done a Vortech supercharger instead.
Yeah but in the Chevy
Can't wait to fix up my lightning
I'm a little bit of a gearhead but not as much of these guys, so help me out. Would having the turbo so far away from the engine, and having the intake underneath where stuff like water in rain conditions affect the power deliver or longevity of the turbo? Most are mounted in a place where water or debris isn't really an issue, so I'm not clear what the advantage of this is other than not being visible to the naked eye looking under the hood as a sleeper mod.
Around about how much money did y'all have to put into each of these trucks to upgrade them? I'm wanting a newer Camaro ss2, but the price for one is ridiculous so I'm considering going this route, but not if it'll come out to about the same price after the upgrades
What about the effect of water (rain/puddles) under the truck on the Ford Lightning's turbo? Turbo air intake will suck it into the engine, won't it?
That's all fine and dandy. But what the heck are you gonna do when it rains?
Rear turbo mounts are so 2003-04 🤣🤣🤣
Nimbus Nimbus they mentioned 07-08 jeeps in the ads near the end?
Should have titled this :
How to get maximum turbo lag.
Won't be bad... One thing they should've done though is put the cats AFTER the turbo!
That Watergate placement is fuckin mint
Now since the turbo is where it is it now no longer has much real world driveability . Cool track truck that's for sure. Maybe reroute the air filter/snorkel?
That wastegate routing is going to shoot fireballs right onto your suspension parts.
I wonder where these trucks are today.
Was thinking the same thing !
Pretty sure I read a long time ago in Car and Driver that they all get crushed 😟
@@FaustoTheBoozehound that's messed up and pray that didn't happen to these
@@FaustoTheBoozehound not really. Stacy still has copperhead
+Tadd Mason Car lives don't matter.
That filter is gonna get dirty pretty quick under the truck like that. Said he was gonna make a shield but never saw one
FILTER GET DIRTY?: Not really, washable oil-wetted filters don't filter worth a fuck they are essentially strainers. Much of the dust/dirt landing on the filter pass through it.
I got a neighbor that's got this exact Ford Lightning (black) with around 15k. on the dash dust an inch thick sitting on 4flats!
This guys parents are definitely siblings, his eyes are independent hahahahahahahahahah
I remember seeing this new on Saturday morning tv. Interesting to see how far efi has come since most stand alone ecus now come with map sensors and gotten away from maf sensors. Maf aren't infinity tunable they have there limits
Both absolutely have their limits. MAP sensors are limited by the bar they're rated at.
So much for keeping Kevin out while building the 454 if he’s going to do the run down on this installment
Bahaha that's literally what I was looking for in the comments! "I don't know what he did to the 454, but here's what he did to the 454."
Mark Binns Smiley Face
I am really into these builds though
And you are not required to have a windshield but you MUST have working windshield wipers in the state of Oregon
You just made a "dry" street truck. How much water can flow/suck up into the turbo.