Literally as a kpop fan since June/july 2017 I know most kpop idols have a fake personality that they’re being told to use but tell that to other kpop fans they’re so deluded to think the people they see online is exactly how they are in real life 😑🙃
@ lmao if it don’t apply, let it fly. You legit just replied to their comment saying “tell that to other kpop fans” as if they directed that comment to you…
You forgot to mention Kai from EXO . He even mentioned how SM asked him to hide his real personality, stay quiet and mysterious during interviews and have a sexy and quiet image. That's why everyone thought he was a cold and arrogant person and hurt him so much since debut. He started to show his cute and funny personality in recent years.
They tried to do this with NCT's Jaehyun as well. They wanted him to be the ice prince of the group but he got tired of it and started showcasing his goofy personality around 2020.
as a snsd fan, since then i rarely see exo members being crazy in camera. Unlike suju and snsd. Snsd got black ocean because they being themselves on cam. But that doesn't stop them they always being savage never care what haters says
the korean idol industry is about imagery. it is about selling concepts and dreams to fans. a group is "packaged" and members are fleshed out with personas that complete the group vibe. it is why fans react negatively when their idols do not fit the imagery that they were sold. it is also why idol groups tend to have short life spans. it is also why idol groups work extra hard to maximize their popularity while it lasts. it is a korean thing, and all kpop idol wannabes know what it takes. that is why they undergo years of training and idol trainees are chosen and matched accordingly to fit the group concept & package. all these are easily misunderstood by westerners, who value individualism more.
I would argue westerns are more about CREATIVE CONTROL than anything. Which individualism goes hand in hand with that. Most western acts get an opportunity to create their own image sound and what they want to display to the public persona wise. Which makes the artist more relatable as well as the music more artistic. Manufactured music never lasts or sells well.
The Idol industry across the board (SK, Japan and China) is about selling a fantasy and providing escapism. Its not, nor has it ever been about music or entertainment. Idols are the original E-Girls and E-Boys. Idols are quite literally a mass produced product too. Every year in SK hundreds of new idols and groups prepare to debut. In Japan, it's thousands because their idol industry is more expensive and has so many sub industries and niche genres within it.
This leads to fans to becoming very delusional, toxic and very obsessed with their favorite idols. They get very upset when they hear that there favorite idol is dating or seen hanging out with someone of the opposite gender and turning it into a dating rumor and eventually a scandal which will become the top trend on the news and social media. Idols literally cannot date, drink or do what adults do without being judged by fans, netizens or the general Korean public. Companies continue to fuel this so called BF/GF fantasy with fans because it brings in huge revenue for them. They don't care if this hurts their idols mentally or socially, they only are about is increasing their profits.
one of the positive thing from variety show is they sometimes crack true personality of idols. their laugh, their fear, their innocent, their competitiveness.. many of fans fall in love to their idols from variety first
@@jebablessysalomi3451 Everything is scripted & that's sad. I even started to believe that "The Return Of Superman" are also highly scripted, yeah those kids were cute but I believe that's a lie just to cater viewers needs. The one that makes me cringe when the show pushed Yuto & Sarang so much to be a couple like c'mon, they're just kids & even making a wedding themed photoshoot for them, much crazy, Yuto wanted to marry Sarang as soon as they turn 17 at Hawaii. Ok, that's too much lol that I stop watching it because they're kids, how come kids know so much about getting married? Weird
I think more girls like her now that back then and vice versa with boys. So this example seems kinda redundant! I don't know about most Twice fans, but whatever happened with Jeoongyeon is still a secret.
1000% Agreed. Jeongyeon with long hair is peak. But, as a Once who biases Jeongyeon (after 2-3 years of indecisiveness), I'm cool with whatever she does as long as it's her choice
Idols have a public persona that they have to uphold but they do reveal their true personalities and fans can see who is genuine, what is real and what isn't
Jessie said this in an interview and it explains things perfectly. For entertainment purposes in the West we have, Reality, Comedy, Thrillers, and Competitions. In SK, the entertainment has one: IDOL life. - She goes on to explain, the way people are on the streets are not as conservative as what is portrayed in the Media.
That's not really true, though. There are different entertainment industries in the East, such as SK. There are Idols and then there are actual artists and actors etc. Idols are in their own separate sub-genre within the entertainment industry
@@MG322_88 I think you miss understood what Jessie was saying. She is talking about the focus...not genre or being an actor, singer, etc. Basically, she was saying that SK focuses on the IMAGE of being Conservative and that is what they promote. Imagine going to jail for smoking weed but not for sexually assaulting someone.
@@MrAresxy07 The next time you are in a group of people, try controlling an irate person's actions more than asking them to stop while you're a small woman. Jessie did right, after asking and pleading, she protected herself. I suggest you update yourself of the court findings in that situation.
This is why so much idols run to acting after their groups disband or go inactive... Idols ≠ Artist Artist are people who showcase art while being their true authentic selves not some image to 'please' the public. Placing images on idols only feed into the public overly & sensitive criticism
Exactly! The entertainment industry within countries with Idols such as SK, Japan and China is a tiered industry. There are actors and normal musicians and artists, and then there are idols. Idols were considered C-tier celebrities for the longest time, and it was only recently that they have started to be seen as something more. Their job is 1st and foremost to sell a fantasy, provide escapism, and form parasocial relationships with fans. The business model for the idol industry is built around this and always has been. This is also why trying to break into the Western industry/ market has never made sense for the industry. Western fans aren't as easily manipulated as Eastern fans are. Western fans are also, as we can clearly see, here going to notice and call out behaviors within the companies and groups that they deem as odd but are considered normal in the East market. It's never going to change though even with international fans calling these things out. The international market is miniscule compared to the domestic markets for the Idol industry. Most of their fans and profits come from domestic and nearby markets in East and Southeast Asia who expect Idols to be a certain way.
Not necessarily, Idols deliver singing, Dancing, sometimes they write and produce and sometimes some of them act too,these are art forms nevertheless. Whether It's Korean Idols or Western artists, because of business and market they added some other thing ( which includes persona) to attract consumers. It's absolutely disgusting to see how you guys do not acknowledge their art form. You consume their art form, get entertainment, it’s not necessary to know their true personality, Writers often create fake scenarios to write something, years later you study literature and think, " that might be somehow related to the writer (as literature student,we do try to connect their writing with their real life) and often we ended up find that it’s totally a fiction, a fake story he made up for his piece.
@SadiaIslamShouki Not to be rude, but it sounds like you are ignorant to the entire nature of the idol industry and to the culture in these countries. The industry is not and has never been about music or artistry. It's always been about selling a fantasy and escapism. Idols are literally a mass-produced product. Each year, hundreds of idols debut or prepare to debut in Korea, and thousands of idols prepare to debut in Japan. Very, very few make it. It is a mass-produced and cookie-cutter business that has a very specific purpose and business model. Those who become idols also know what they're getting into. And many of them themselves have had parasocial relationships with idols that they were fans of before becoming idols themselves. They've even spoken about it in interviews. The parasocial relationships with idols and fans are intentionally created. That's why so many domestic fans act crazy. They are being sold a fantasy that they use to escape from reality. They become obsessed and fully immersed in that fantasy and spend money and become possessive of the idols feeling as though they are entitled to them. Western Artists and normal musicians in SK and Japan don't do this or have this problem. And that is because it is purposefully crafted for the idols as it is part of their business model.
@@MG322_88 Western fans are manipulated..lol just look at the mess on X and whatnot. Jonghyun passed away 7 years ago and no one learned a thing...don't blame Asian fans alone
I feel like alot of people get so caught up in it that they forget that the idol industry is trying to sell you products first and foremost. Being that albums, concert tickets, fan calls etc, and that is all tied to an image.
Debuting him as a dark rapper was a maximum level meme. But honestly, as much as he is my bias, expect that there's still a part that's played up for idol purposes. And there's nothing wrong with that, but just saying
I think its a marketing tool to promote a new group but once the group becomes established and axhieves success, their true colors start to shine so all the 2nd generation tsundere type guys like SHINee Key and Suju Heechul start showing their softy loyal side. I think once ypu start doing well in variety, you can show more of your personality although a lot of it is still fake because the nature of variety programs is that they are scripted.
Minho and Jin being told to be the silent handsome tall visuals is hilarious. They are the most energetic and members who have the most unique laughs in their groups. Not too mention they could enter a food competition and win it by a mile. Special Warrior honours during their enlistment just shows how awesome Jin and Minho are. 💜💎
People believe tzuyu is the most quite member but people who were there during sixteen know she was funny,playful, charming,and and definitely NOT introvert but after debuting she changes a lot
Shes naturally introverted, its actually quite common for them to be different sometimes. She may be playful and expressive when comfortable but shes reserved in most situations
There's an ex Idol that talks about these restrictions here in TH-cam. She said "your hair it's not yours, your body it's not yours. I couldn't even clean my eyebrows without the company's consent".
Literally I don't trust any idol out there. I don't care how "cute" or "nice" they seem. Usually the nicer they are in public, the worse they are behind closed doors.
You must be a child if you think that is just an idol thing. That's a human being thing, and the vast majority of people will act or show you only what they think will benefit them the most.
All people do that. Just look at social media. People only wanna show the nice parts..the worse side of them they keep locked up. I trust my biases though especially if they came from good loving families.
My only concern is if it damage the health of the performer, don't really see persona as any worse than dying your hair or whatever, unless they start losing their hair from doing it.
Idols have never been seen as artists. They've always been a product. They're literally mass-produced and cookie cutter. In South Korea, for example, approximately 300 idols / idol groups are estimated to be prepared to debut each year. Of these 300, maybe 50-100 actually debut of these only a handful actually survive the 1st year. People, especially international fans only think of the big name companies when they think of idols, but there are tons of other medium and small companies pumping out idols, too. That's just Korea, too. Japan has an even greater and expanded idol industry and pumps out roughly 3,000 idols each year across multiple different genres and idol sub-industries. Thus, Idols are quite literally a mass produced product. Its why they aren't considered artists too. They don't have autonomy and are trained and groomed to be a certain way. To appeal to every market and demographic, to be seen as perfect, to be a fantasy and provide escapism.
But why some fandom so crazy about their idol? Talking about dating and even marriage. Behind close door those idol are worse like burning sun scandal. And the men in those case, degrading a women to the extent they are look like pervert
To an extent, yes. Everyone molds into societal ideals when they leave the house. The situation with kpop idols is much more connected to like car salesman. They’re trying to sell you a product.
Most people get to choose if they put a persona on and which ones they try out these idols have no control over it and can not opt out, so it is very different.
A serial example of this is MINX/Dreamcather. Almost every member was disgusted and uncomfortable with what they were forced to be as MINX. MINX was dissolved to save the group and then they were actually able to choose what type of music and makeup/clothing styles they wanted as Dreamcatcher.
I don't know why this is all surprising to everyone. This is LITERALLY HOW MARKETING WORKS! And this kind of behaviour is EVERYWHERE IN ENTERTAINMENT, Even some Twitch streamers do this for the sake of marketing and entertainment and honestly, this isn't news or surprising to me. I think it surprises a lot of people because frankly most people are illiterate and don't know how to educate themselves at all. So they're all freaking out because they didn't think or bother to read in the first place. NOW HOLD ON, yes this is a wrong practice and no this shouldn't be normalized, BUT That doesn't excuse the fact that this isn't something new for the entertainment industry WORLD OVER AND NOT JUST KPOP. I want to stress this pretty hard that we shouldn't be surprised, but we should also want to normalize being yourself and Yes KPOP companies DO NEED TO MAKE a CHANGE to drop this kind of shit.
Thanks for the logical comment. The only thing I can add is that if we normalize that singers/artists should be themselves, they themselves should not only work hard to develop professional skills, but also have a strong, attractive personality that is easy to sell to the public. Not every talented person knows how to behave correctly in front of the camera to interest the viewer. Almost every world star works with specialists who create an image. Are teenage trainees ready to take on such responsibility and be themselves?
Y'all so dramatic about this. It's like liking a series on Netflix or a K-drama; it's all artistic. Experienced K-pop fans suspend their disbelief when fangirling but deep down we know it's all part of the show, to be a type of way to fit a concept. K-pop idols are like any other artist in the rest of industries and like any other human, we have different ways to behave depending on the people we are around. The way y'all put it is as if "all k-pop idols are monsters and evil and terrible humans behind closee doors and pretend to be good to fool the fans". Do you think Taylor swift or Zendaya are the same way as they act when giving interviews? Answer is NO, and, does that make them evil masked monsters? The answer is NO. So stop being too overly dramatic about the topic. Idols and celebrities are humans and as such, there are good and bad. Even your neighbor can be someone else from what you think you know. Even a family member. If you feel like a k-pop idol is "scamming you with their fake persona", then leave k-pop and enter another non-K-Pop fandom instead, to see how that goes. You don't need to like k-pop, it's a choice. And that girl just wants attention. I am sure western younsters enter k-pop training companies to be whistleblowers or "insiders", to gain attention by "exposing the k-pop industry". Lol. I agree so many things like beauty standards need to change in k-pop, but i am so bored by these westerns who only enter k-pop just so they can discredit and bad mouth idol peers by indirectly calling them all "fake" and "manufactured". 🥱 Idc for that girl or what she has to say. Lol.
i remember renjun saying something abou that , that he was assigned the shy cute member, when he is not shy and i mean i love his personnality as it is , and he can be cute sometimes when he doesn't even try
This isn't new information. This has been known for a long time. Idols have said this before about being assigned personalities that they then have to constantly portray in public. Where they either have to be silent and broody or overly bubbly and cutesy. This practice also can't be equated to the handful of pop artists in the Western entertainment world who became part of groups where character identities were the point of the group. There's only a handful of examples where that can be mentioned.
This has always happened in girl and boy groups. There’s even a movie produced by MTV called 2gether, about the creation of a a boyband where they assigned each member a personality based on other similar bands, like the boyband blueprint: the cute one, the funny one, the elder brother one, the bad boy and the heartthrob.
Being an idol its not for everyone, back then idols trained for many years before manage to debut. The desperation to be one make them accept all t&c given. I saw someone posted “only asian can be kpop idol” wdyt ?
We can tell that in Twice Tzuyu and Mina personality is also formed from the company. Maybe even more fromt twice or other groups like Itzy, skz or nmixx. Kpop Fans need to understand that we dont know the Idols real personality and we will never be and this leaks are only the tip of the iceberg. There is still so much in the dark that would shock us or would end careers of Idols.
Kpop idols on screen personalities are people they mastered to perfection. They embody a character that fits with their role in the group as well as their group's concept. Let's not praise nor hate these idols for being humans.
Do remember the title of the first album dropped by TWICE is, “The Story Begins. . . .” This told me from the beginning that the 9 TWICE were fictional characters.
Oh come on!! K-POP didn’t just start a few months ago. Anyone whom stans K-POP has known for years about the specific clauses in the contracts, we have all known about the CONCEPTS decided for most individual K-POP idols, we’ve all known about needing to have permission to cut and/or dye one’s hair prior to doing so along with needing permission for getting piercings and/or tattoos. This is due to promotions for album covers, posters the MV and so on and so forth. These companies invest huge amounts of money into these comebacks and into these idols and changing your appearance, without giving the company a heads up toys with their investment, which can change the projection of their foreseeable profits on your comeback. All these things are for a reason it’s about business. Chaeyoung was/is the little rebel and cut her hair very short without permission and got tatted up without permission. The company got upset by her decisions but nothing was done to her bcuz JYPE does care about their idols REGARDLESS of what is being blown way out of proportion. Everybody knows about the strict diet and having to be very thin, and you can’t be getting tanned because it’s looked down upon by the Korean society. LOOK, YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH A CONTRACT IN WHICH YOU, AND YOUR PARENTS/GUARDIAN AND YOUR ATTORNEY(S) READ OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL EVERYONE IS PERFECTLY CLEAR ABOUT EVERY SINGLE WORD IN THAT CONTRACT. THAT IS THE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO DECIDE AND/OR REQUEST ANY CHANGES TO SAID CONTRACT. ONCE AN AGREEMENT IS MET AND THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED, THAT’S IT!! DON’T PLAY DUMB AND ACT LIKE YOU DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS IN YOUR CONTRACT AND TRY TO SUE YOUR AGENCY. YOU SIGNED IT HELLO!!
I think the first contract idols sign are usually very restrictive, with clauses like these being very common. The idols seem way more lively and unique when they renew their contracts after the seven-year period. I first felt this with Stray Kids. They seem to have a lot more skinship with each other after their contract renewal. Whereas there were a few controversies before about staff telling them to remove their hands from other members' shoulders during live streams and such before.
this video explained it perfectly... however i am missing something I understand that KG was blinded by the opportunity to debut with JYPE so I am saying this is for the next generation If you want to be an idol and you AND YOUR PARENTS read this kind of contract... with such red flags... DO NOT SIGN IT under any circumstances and wait for a better opportunity I mean now KG, for example, has hardly debuted, has a tone of debt, will have to spend a tone more on lawyers, and maybe will give up her dreams of being an artist... so do not you think it would have been better not to join? so again, if you AND YOUR PARENTS read the contract and already see things that you are not OK with, regardless of how good the opportunity might have felt, just do not sign
I remember VIXX from the Jellyfish Entertainment. There was an idol variety show that one of the MC's was questioning Leo about his sudden change in personality. N, the leader, spoke how the company gave him the image of being dark and mysterious during the groups early years. It's especially shown during the Mydol and the early VIXX TV eras when they were really active. But when Leo and Ravi debut as a subunit, LR, I believe it was during that era that Leo decided to shed that image and show his true personality, and it was more endearing to see him behave more openly then how he was before
1. She’s American 2. K-pop bg/gg are modeled after other global boy bands/girl groups 3. The “personality’s” are usually (the shy one, the adventurous one, the youngest one) These aren’t damaging, they’re meant to allow the fans to connect to individuals they can relate to…This isn’t a new concept and people need to calm down
What many fans forget is that idols are just normal people who are simply molded into what the masses want. The fans want a certain image and the label fulfills this wish. Because of this extreme desire for a certain image, it is often ignored that idols also have a right to be sad, angry or stressed when they are in public.
This goes further than k-pop. You're going to be part of an industry that wants to make money. It didn't work out for you or you felt the people were objectifying you? Welcome to the entertainment business.
Quick question, did you guys REALLY expect 20 years old + to genuinely be mentally 13? Are you guys really wondering how authentic this whole industry is? I have news for you, none of it is, not a single delusional fan in the comment section has any idea who the idols he/she loves so much truly is. And that's fine, as long as we are all aware and it is purely transactional, we provide money, they provide entertainment, the end.
It's like WWE wrestling, but prettier! Everyone but small children know wrestling is scripted and the wrestlers are playing a character. Kpop idols are no different. They are actors playing a role they have been given. It is a formula that works. To be honest, most people in the world are self-centered trash so the idea of an idol that always looks perfect and sounds perfect is great entertainment because it isn't real life. I understand the draw. I discovered Kpop in 2011 through Girl's Generation. It was during a difficult time in my life, and they were the only thing good I saw in life that made me smile. They were perfect, even in their imperfections. Watching them during that time was like watching a fairy tale. Sometimes, people need a fairy tale or a story with a happy ending. Living vicariously through entertainment has value. You can't go through life beating people up, but you can turn on WWE wrestling and watch the good guys beat up the bad guys most weeks, and it makes people feel good. Much of human history is told in stories with heroes...and yes idols.
US version was doomed from the start because they like to sue over everything. That girl didn’t know the KPop industry but decided to pursue it. Who the hell would want their idols (aka investments) balding themselves and tattooing their faces? Of course they have to put restrictions! She clearly did not know the industry well enough to join one. Not the company’s fault.
it true that we dont know our idols personality off camera like that one member in NCT 127 but that does not mean that our idols are 100% fake like Seventeen Stray kids Enhypen txt etc some times they really proves that they dont have to pretend on camera they have good personalities but also bad because they are human (STAND ENHYPEN STRAY KIDS TXT SVT FOR BETTER HEALTH🤭) i feel sorry for the idols who cant showcase their real personality cuz it can misunderstand his or her intention and be labeled as rude cold bully or bad when they are kind and sweat😥
Girl ydk them either… no one would’ve guessed Taeil would do something like that, and that’s the same for any other idol. You’re only mentioning them because you obviously stan them, but ydk what they’re actually like
Yeah, sure some members of some of the groups are "more authentic" ( or the company was smart enough to align the Idol persona with the true one), but for real no one is bothered when a group of mod twenties boys act all cute with plush toys and cutsie hair bands at a fan event 🤷♀️😨 (SKZ Japan for instance). For real WHEN has anyone of you seen a mid twenty year old man behave and look this way? Have a "assigned personality" if you must, but the company should let this personality "grow/develop " with time as the Idol grows. Another issue: if the kpop groups (and Cpop, Jpop, and so on) want to make it in the West......they need to be more authentic. B/c that's what sticks here in the end. Peace out.
I am proud of KG for sticking up for herself and for caring so much about her team mates. I do not understand why everyone needs to play a personality. That sounds like brainwashing. It is very sad.
I remember meeting Iroha for the first time off camera and she was very cold and distant. She had a pretty bland personality and I had to mention my wealth before she even showed any interest in engaging. I also wanted to mention we are about the same age and I wasn’t much older, taller, or anything, and I don’t look very intimidating. I was warm, kind, and respectful and she just wasn’t nearly as kind as I thought she’d be. And no, she wasn’t tired because she had told her group mate she had gotten 10 hours of good sleep the night before.
this has been going for so long and is very widespread. I believe though that being forced to portray a fake persona to the fans you claim to be your salvation is totally sick and mind twisted. you don’t need to be someone else to keep privacy personally omission is fine to me.
@@ThinkingWoman30They pressured her, they gave her a really close deadline to lose weight or they wouldn’t let her debut, she clearly had no choice, so the agency urged her to starve
That's what I miss the most. They seem to be Roboter. Actors. They never are their true self. I miss that. Would love to see that. Years ago I thought BTS are kinda "real" at least more human than the groups before them. But it took a while to realize that the facade will never really crash down
To be deeply honest, this disingenuous part of K-pop is why I like it. As a child I was very stubborn and unashamed to be myself, but this worked out horribly for me. As I grew older I realized honesty was not an option. It feels like the weight of a huge system is forcing me into a certain shape, and when I see that in idols it's very relatable. And Idols are my role models because I know how harsh their circumstances are and what they have to put up with.
This is like WWE and AEW in the US talents (“wrestlers”) leave WWE due to creative differences on to find out their real personality sucks but blames the wwe for not getting over.
International fans confusing idols with normal entertainers and celebrities is funny. There are two different types of music entertainers in the entertainment industries of countries like SK, China, and Japan. 1st there are normal musicians and artists that are similiar to those in the West and then 2nd there are Idols. This is why Idols for the longest time up, until recently were viewed as C-Tier celebrities in their countries. The job of Idols is to sell fantasies, provide a form of escapism for fans, and create parasocial relationships with fans. This this has always been known in the East. It's literally the business model and point of the Idol industry. Idols = the original E-Girls and E-Boys. Selling a fantasy and providing lonely fans with an escape from reality is their true job, not performing music.
Wait, what you are describing is form of prostitution, selling fantasies and escaping reality for lonely people, is the music there just to make it legal.
How about if you don't want a contract with a company that shapes your image and personality...you go it alone and sing in the subway with a hat in front of you
None of that is shocking, you know what would be shocking? making a video about their sexual habits, particularly those of male idols who often sleep with prostitutes.
But that's their privat life. We don’t have anything to do with that. If it's legal and consented who cares? It's not really worse then paying for porn?
A person on her own can't develop a self. A person (or group) among others must maintain a performance in front of them. This is the case for everyone upon social interaction, whether it's person-person or artist-audience. In k-pop, idols always portray an idealized version of themselves, whether the company mandates it or not. Fans, the audience, find this disconcerting because it disturbs their conception of the show. The duality frightens them. It's like there is a front stage where the fantasy is displayed for them to witness, and a back stage of which they are ignorant. I hate to break it to you but there's always a back stage in interaction. Idols among themselves are not idols in front of audience. (Even among themselves they display a performance, but a different one). As I said this is the case for everyone of us, we are performers. This doesn't mean there's a real self which we hide, another we display to others. Authenticity is a myth. The self or personality is not something static that lurks behind the mask. What is displayed is both real and calculated. What is hidden is both real and imagined. Prescribing personalities to idols is obviously a sad (hyper)reality, but let's face it this is just one small facet of neoliberalism (or late capitalism or hyperreality or simulation or consumer society or whatever u like)
I think this is cultural issue as well. I have seen Koreans changing their birth name quite regularly. It is as if you put on a new skin with a new name. This could be a cultural aspect. For most of us non koreans changing your birth name is an extreme measure. Your name is everything - history and identity. It's hard to change names like that. I believe the trainees changing names and taking on a new personality is not inauthentic. And I think East Asians are culturally suited to compartmentalise themselves better than westerners. They can easilly switch between their private and public faces without having any conflicts or thinking they are being inauthentic. This trainee who is a westerner is just not suited for that imo.
This is Getting Exhausting. Being An Idol is A Job with Peaks which many could ONLY DREAM OF. It is JUST A JOB WHICH PAYS FOR YOUR GOOD LIFE. Sacrifices is A Norm in any job. A Labourer...with their body aches n pains without any medical coverage. Top students sleeping less than 3 hours a night... Idols with Strict Rules just like A School. They need to FIT AN IMAGE WHICH SELLS. If IT IS JUST TOO HARD. WALK AWAY. Having A Persona...created by the company provide safety n privacy to artists. When Fans start hating. It is Nothing personal. It is NOT YOU. It is The Image. Marketing n Promotion Team FAILURE not the idols themselves. Life is Tough. Just Get A Helmet n push through if this is what you want. Being An Idol is A 3 to 7 years thingy. It is NOT A LIFE SENTENCE. After all said n done. If you are truly A Great Artist NOT JUST A PRETTY FACE... The World is Open to YOUR VERSION OF YOURSELF to find success.
What a shame, imagine if I'm a talkative person who has a bubbly personality, then BOOM!, I sign a contract changing my personality to sexy and misterious 🧐
I really don't understand what's so wrong about Hyening Kai (for name one idol) being super fantasy and fairy on stage and being super nerdy and bubbly in real life??? I can enjoy an idol who's personality adapts to a concept, to me that's k-pop and that's art. People wanna make it seem like all k-pop idols are mean, bullies and bad people hiding behind a fake persona assigned by their company. There are many things that need to change in k-pop, for sure. But I think scandals like burning sun etc, have contributed to the disillusionment of idols. People are more cautious of this and companies have adapted too. Idols have an image to take care of, which can be extremely stressful for them. But from what I've seen, Americans and Europeans fans mostly, expect them to burp in public, cuss openly and be openly about their sexuality, (validate their every mundain acts to feel their idols are 'relatable') etc; why? Because westerns fans don't know the line between a public and a private life. They want to have access to these idols' lives and real selves 20/7, as if they're (the non asian fans mostly) entitled to these idols' lives just because they are fans. So if San (for example) is so funny and spontaneous in his intimacy but has always presented himself as 'Mysterius', then if int. fans "discover" this shift in personality, they make a huge drama about it starting to complain, etc, using phrases such as "the company forced him to be like this and that" when you don't know if it was a mutual decision. Lol. Whatever. I'm just exhausted of this new generation of fans. K-pop was SOOOOOOO much fun before BTS made k-pop so famous, thus attracting this horde of t*xic and immature fans to ruin k-pop fandoms with all their critiques and complaints about what they drink, if it supports ¡sr@€£, zyonistz, blah blah, or if the companies don't let them twerk, blah blah ..... Lol. I want k-pop to go back to 2013 😂😂😂
Being assigned a personality and choosing a vibe are totally different. I hear what your saying, but take umbridge with using spice girls to further your analagy- when there very different situations and people, Spice girls still has authenticity of interests.The two just dont equate. As in all things consent and integrity matter.
Sue them due them all. Talk about the "idol" are viewed as contractors hence they are not given the same protection under korean labor laws. Also can you talk about how the companies use parasocial relationships as a marketing ploy as well.
SM created a mysterious personality for EXO as whole group 😂Which is why they rarely send them to any variety shows because members end up destroy SM's given persona. Because of this shit our 2nd fandom created a whole new narrative that EXO are bunch rude and arrogant people who bullied their boys😂 also so many ex that fandom says they think EXO do not have any personality and they are amazed by how funny members are.But Thankfully EXO members are very smooth with their stage persona and off stage persona from very early on, since they do not go to a lot of variety show non fans don't know but fans are well aware. I think this is same scenario with all the older groups, they expose their real persona when they feel comfortable with their fans
I was crushed when I read about assigning Idols personalities...I love many kpop group but my No 1 is Stray Kids...the thought that any of them are not who they seem to be made me feel sick. Are any of our Idols who they seem to be or are they acting a role, faking a connection and deceiving us.?
And that’s the problem, you care too much about these people that you dk…. It makes you feel sick???? You need to stop idolizing these people before you get too ahead of yourself…
I am a Stay too. The thing with Stray Kids is that they have so much content aside from their music videos that it would be difficult for them to always be "on" so we see many real moments with them. I don't think they are faking their personalities. But of course they are going to show their best sides for the cameras most of the time. But this is true of every celebrity. No we don't know them so we will never know if what they show us is 100% true self. Even people that are not celebrities though can hide beneath personas so that is just how things are. It's not worth focusing on and feeling sick over.
BTS is a good example of how it’s a stupid practice. Their first couple of years after debut, their image was corny as hell. They seemed to collectively decide as a group, heck with this, and their chaotic sibling energy blew up, and their authenticity shone and probably made them far more popular than they ever would have been had they stuck to the “bad boy” hip hop PR vibe pushed off on them.
As an American, I have yet to meet a celebrity that didn’t majorly disappoint me. So many celebrities are involved in so much corruption to get to where they are. We really don’t know these people behind closed doors.
Most of what you see as a kpop fan is manufactured, I keep telling K-pop fans you don't know these idols
The children are the ones who need to be told that.
Exactly and when idols are upset and they make excuses or laugh it off some fans say clearly nothing is wrong since they are laughing.
@@TummyachesurviorIt’s not only children that think this way, unfortunately…
Literally as a kpop fan since June/july 2017 I know most kpop idols have a fake personality that they’re being told to use but tell that to other kpop fans they’re so deluded to think the people they see online is exactly how they are in real life 😑🙃
@ lmao if it don’t apply, let it fly. You legit just replied to their comment saying “tell that to other kpop fans” as if they directed that comment to you…
You forgot to mention Kai from EXO . He even mentioned how SM asked him to hide his real personality, stay quiet and mysterious during interviews and have a sexy and quiet image. That's why everyone thought he was a cold and arrogant person and hurt him so much since debut. He started to show his cute and funny personality in recent years.
They tried to do this with NCT's Jaehyun as well. They wanted him to be the ice prince of the group but he got tired of it and started showcasing his goofy personality around 2020.
as a snsd fan, since then i rarely see exo members being crazy in camera. Unlike suju and snsd. Snsd got black ocean because they being themselves on cam. But that doesn't stop them they always being savage never care what haters says
Meanwhile Wonbin choose this cool mysterious himself that seem successful for few weeks until he open his mouth. Even get tease by Riize member🤣
Same for Lay who seemed like cold playboy kind of guy during debut
@@HarrietWanjau Kpop always tried to make the idols either ice prince, mirror prince or panda lol
How is this news? We've known this was done since 2nd gen AT LEAST. SHINee alone have been VERY vocal about it, they made fun of it for YEARS.
You do realize most people international wise, who are into kpop, weren’t around 2nd gen?
@@SBBunny93 So? It's not like idols STOPPED talking about it since, they've been constantly talking about it since 2nd gen, not ONLY during 2nd gen.
Minho 😂
I remember Minho telling us that he had to be the literal "just smile and wave" meme. 😂
I just know about this lol
the korean idol industry is about imagery. it is about selling concepts and dreams to fans. a group is "packaged" and members are fleshed out with personas that complete the group vibe. it is why fans react negatively when their idols do not fit the imagery that they were sold. it is also why idol groups tend to have short life spans. it is also why idol groups work extra hard to maximize their popularity while it lasts. it is a korean thing, and all kpop idol wannabes know what it takes. that is why they undergo years of training and idol trainees are chosen and matched accordingly to fit the group concept & package. all these are easily misunderstood by westerners, who value individualism more.
You said this so perfectly 🤌🏾
I would argue westerns are more about CREATIVE CONTROL than anything. Which individualism goes hand in hand with that. Most western acts get an opportunity to create their own image sound and what they want to display to the public persona wise. Which makes the artist more relatable as well as the music more artistic. Manufactured music never lasts or sells well.
The Idol industry across the board (SK, Japan and China) is about selling a fantasy and providing escapism. Its not, nor has it ever been about music or entertainment. Idols are the original E-Girls and E-Boys. Idols are quite literally a mass produced product too. Every year in SK hundreds of new idols and groups prepare to debut. In Japan, it's thousands because their idol industry is more expensive and has so many sub industries and niche genres within it.
True for example they needed a smeIIy indian for katseye so they added one
This leads to fans to becoming very delusional, toxic and very obsessed with their favorite idols. They get very upset when they hear that there favorite idol is dating or seen hanging out with someone of the opposite gender and turning it into a dating rumor and eventually a scandal which will become the top trend on the news and social media. Idols literally cannot date, drink or do what adults do without being judged by fans, netizens or the general Korean public. Companies continue to fuel this so called BF/GF fantasy with fans because it brings in huge revenue for them. They don't care if this hurts their idols mentally or socially, they only are about is increasing their profits.
one of the positive thing from variety show is they sometimes crack true personality of idols. their laugh, their fear, their innocent, their competitiveness.. many of fans fall in love to their idols from variety first
@@jebablessysalomi3451 Everything is scripted & that's sad. I even started to believe that "The Return Of Superman" are also highly scripted, yeah those kids were cute but I believe that's a lie just to cater viewers needs. The one that makes me cringe when the show pushed Yuto & Sarang so much to be a couple like c'mon, they're just kids & even making a wedding themed photoshoot for them, much crazy, Yuto wanted to marry Sarang as soon as they turn 17 at Hawaii. Ok, that's too much lol that I stop watching it because they're kids, how come kids know so much about getting married? Weird
6:19 Even I felt weird about forcing girl crush tomboy image on Jeongyeon at that time.
I actually entered the fandom late and realized that Jeongyeon had a more girl crush image back then but now it makes more sense
I think more girls like her now that back then and vice versa with boys. So this example seems kinda redundant! I don't know about most Twice fans, but whatever happened with Jeoongyeon is still a secret.
Long hair Jeongyeon supremacy
Omg yes❤
My girl
She was beautiful either way. Post 2020 Jeongyeong is just a different person.
1000% Agreed. Jeongyeon with long hair is peak.
But, as a Once who biases Jeongyeon (after 2-3 years of indecisiveness), I'm cool with whatever she does as long as it's her choice
Idols have a public persona that they have to uphold but they do reveal their true personalities and fans can see who is genuine, what is real and what isn't
And I'm sure not every of them is angels in real life lol
Jessie said this in an interview and it explains things perfectly. For entertainment purposes in the West we have, Reality, Comedy, Thrillers, and Competitions. In SK, the entertainment has one: IDOL life. - She goes on to explain, the way people are on the streets are not as conservative as what is portrayed in the Media.
That's not really true, though. There are different entertainment industries in the East, such as SK. There are Idols and then there are actual artists and actors etc. Idols are in their own separate sub-genre within the entertainment industry
U mean the woman that let her wannabe gangster to sucker punch a fan?
@@MG322_88 I think you miss understood what Jessie was saying. She is talking about the focus...not genre or being an actor, singer, etc. Basically, she was saying that SK focuses on the IMAGE of being Conservative and that is what they promote. Imagine going to jail for smoking weed but not for sexually assaulting someone.
@@MrAresxy07 The next time you are in a group of people, try controlling an irate person's actions more than asking them to stop while you're a small woman. Jessie did right, after asking and pleading, she protected herself. I suggest you update yourself of the court findings in that situation.
@@colettemr nah in court she refused tell the guys name
They are products made by their companies to be consumed.
True for example they needed a smeIIy indian for katseye so they added one
@@etiennelumieresmelly????
This is why so much idols run to acting after their groups disband or go inactive...
Idols ≠ Artist
Artist are people who showcase art while being their true authentic selves not some image to 'please' the public.
Placing images on idols only feed into the public overly & sensitive criticism
Exactly! The entertainment industry within countries with Idols such as SK, Japan and China is a tiered industry. There are actors and normal musicians and artists, and then there are idols. Idols were considered C-tier celebrities for the longest time, and it was only recently that they have started to be seen as something more.
Their job is 1st and foremost to sell a fantasy, provide escapism, and form parasocial relationships with fans. The business model for the idol industry is built around this and always has been.
This is also why trying to break into the Western industry/ market has never made sense for the industry. Western fans aren't as easily manipulated as Eastern fans are. Western fans are also, as we can clearly see, here going to notice and call out behaviors within the companies and groups that they deem as odd but are considered normal in the East market. It's never going to change though even with international fans calling these things out. The international market is miniscule compared to the domestic markets for the Idol industry. Most of their fans and profits come from domestic and nearby markets in East and Southeast Asia who expect Idols to be a certain way.
Not necessarily, Idols deliver singing, Dancing, sometimes they write and produce and sometimes some of them act too,these are art forms nevertheless. Whether It's Korean Idols or Western artists, because of business and market they added some other thing ( which includes persona) to attract consumers.
It's absolutely disgusting to see how you guys do not acknowledge their art form. You consume their art form, get entertainment, it’s not necessary to know their true personality, Writers often create fake scenarios to write something, years later you study literature and think, " that might be somehow related to the writer (as literature student,we do try to connect their writing with their real life) and often we ended up find that it’s totally a fiction, a fake story he made up for his piece.
@SadiaIslamShouki Not to be rude, but it sounds like you are ignorant to the entire nature of the idol industry and to the culture in these countries. The industry is not and has never been about music or artistry. It's always been about selling a fantasy and escapism. Idols are literally a mass-produced product. Each year, hundreds of idols debut or prepare to debut in Korea, and thousands of idols prepare to debut in Japan. Very, very few make it. It is a mass-produced and cookie-cutter business that has a very specific purpose and business model. Those who become idols also know what they're getting into. And many of them themselves have had parasocial relationships with idols that they were fans of before becoming idols themselves. They've even spoken about it in interviews. The parasocial relationships with idols and fans are intentionally created. That's why so many domestic fans act crazy. They are being sold a fantasy that they use to escape from reality. They become obsessed and fully immersed in that fantasy and spend money and become possessive of the idols feeling as though they are entitled to them. Western Artists and normal musicians in SK and Japan don't do this or have this problem. And that is because it is purposefully crafted for the idols as it is part of their business model.
@@MG322_88 Western fans are manipulated..lol just look at the mess on X and whatnot. Jonghyun passed away 7 years ago and no one learned a thing...don't blame Asian fans alone
@@Mal.victory Music is art and that requires singers. Why do people like you always act like singers aren't artists.
I feel like alot of people get so caught up in it that they forget that the idol industry is trying to sell you products first and foremost. Being that albums, concert tickets, fan calls etc, and that is all tied to an image.
I think being a part of AKB48 are tiring as fk too, they must cater to their fans needs too & if any of them went out of the way, boom
I'm a casual fan and even i figured they had gimmicky personalities for a more Wider appeal.
All for money & fame
changbin = I am dark........ turns into a bubbly human
Debuting him as a dark rapper was a maximum level meme. But honestly, as much as he is my bias, expect that there's still a part that's played up for idol purposes. And there's nothing wrong with that, but just saying
Binnie being the baby girl now ahahah
Their crafted image doesn’t seem to last long. Real personalities usually come out eventually.
I think its a marketing tool to promote a new group but once the group becomes established and axhieves success, their true colors start to shine so all the 2nd generation tsundere type guys like SHINee Key and Suju Heechul start showing their softy loyal side. I think once ypu start doing well in variety, you can show more of your personality although a lot of it is still fake because the nature of variety programs is that they are scripted.
Minho and Jin being told to be the silent handsome tall visuals is hilarious.
They are the most energetic and members who have the most unique laughs in their groups.
Not too mention they could enter a food competition and win it by a mile.
Special Warrior honours during their enlistment just shows how awesome Jin and Minho are. 💜💎
kpop fans being shocked that kpop is a business and not real is just so funny, like it’s all fake.
No cause literally 😭🙏
Fr😭😂
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It's all fake since 2008 & it was kept secret, luckily lots of people already knew about it
People believe tzuyu is the most quite member but people who were there during sixteen know she was funny,playful, charming,and and definitely NOT introvert but after debuting she changes a lot
Shes naturally introverted, its actually quite common for them to be different sometimes. She may be playful and expressive when comfortable but shes reserved in most situations
@george52797 what you are talking about is after the debut which in this point can be considered that she was assigned to a new personality
Since she raised Taiwan's flag she changed a lot
@Rosinante1829 fax I felt sorry for her she was a kid who raised her own flag she had to apologize for it PUBLICLY 😔
They even creates ship among members to attract fans.
There's an ex Idol that talks about these restrictions here in TH-cam. She said "your hair it's not yours, your body it's not yours. I couldn't even clean my eyebrows without the company's consent".
No wonder they had to starve themselves at all time
Literally I don't trust any idol out there. I don't care how "cute" or "nice" they seem. Usually the nicer they are in public, the worse they are behind closed doors.
You must be a child if you think that is just an idol thing. That's a human being thing, and the vast majority of people will act or show you only what they think will benefit them the most.
@@Sugas_GirrWe're talking about idols specifically in this video you twit.
All people do that. Just look at social media. People only wanna show the nice parts..the worse side of them they keep locked up. I trust my biases though especially if they came from good loving families.
I agree with this
Lol he said literally
As if no one knew beforehand that it’s all about the Money
I was just thinking this
capitalism sucks!
the whole society is based on profit
My only concern is if it damage the health of the performer, don't really see persona as any worse than dying your hair or whatever, unless they start losing their hair from doing it.
Idols have never been seen as artists. They've always been a product. They're literally mass-produced and cookie cutter. In South Korea, for example, approximately 300 idols / idol groups are estimated to be prepared to debut each year. Of these 300, maybe 50-100 actually debut of these only a handful actually survive the 1st year. People, especially international fans only think of the big name companies when they think of idols, but there are tons of other medium and small companies pumping out idols, too. That's just Korea, too. Japan has an even greater and expanded idol industry and pumps out roughly 3,000 idols each year across multiple different genres and idol sub-industries.
Thus, Idols are quite literally a mass produced product. Its why they aren't considered artists too. They don't have autonomy and are trained and groomed to be a certain way. To appeal to every market and demographic, to be seen as perfect, to be a fantasy and provide escapism.
@@MG322_88And that's how K-Pop got so popular
No surprises here. But everybody needs to understand that they don’t know anything about their favorite idols.
But why some fandom so crazy about their idol? Talking about dating and even marriage. Behind close door those idol are worse like burning sun scandal. And the men in those case, degrading a women to the extent they are look like pervert
This is so true, you can love them like crazy but you'll never know about their real personality behind closed doors
being an idol is always a full time act.. you're just playing a series character or a theater stage..
That's too tiring
I already knew they had to act a certain personality. Doesn’t everyone do that when they leave the house?
To an extent, yes. Everyone molds into societal ideals when they leave the house. The situation with kpop idols is much more connected to like car salesman. They’re trying to sell you a product.
no, not all of us live a lie
Nope, not all of us are liars lol
Most people get to choose if they put a persona on and which ones they try out these idols have no control over it and can not opt out, so it is very different.
A serial example of this is MINX/Dreamcather. Almost every member was disgusted and uncomfortable with what they were forced to be as MINX. MINX was dissolved to save the group and then they were actually able to choose what type of music and makeup/clothing styles they wanted as Dreamcatcher.
This isn’t news. They have an image to uphold.
I don't know why this is all surprising to everyone. This is LITERALLY HOW MARKETING WORKS! And this kind of behaviour is EVERYWHERE IN ENTERTAINMENT, Even some Twitch streamers do this for the sake of marketing and entertainment and honestly, this isn't news or surprising to me. I think it surprises a lot of people because frankly most people are illiterate and don't know how to educate themselves at all. So they're all freaking out because they didn't think or bother to read in the first place. NOW HOLD ON, yes this is a wrong practice and no this shouldn't be normalized, BUT That doesn't excuse the fact that this isn't something new for the entertainment industry WORLD OVER AND NOT JUST KPOP. I want to stress this pretty hard that we shouldn't be surprised, but we should also want to normalize being yourself and Yes KPOP companies DO NEED TO MAKE a CHANGE to drop this kind of shit.
Thanks for the logical comment. The only thing I can add is that if we normalize that singers/artists should be themselves, they themselves should not only work hard to develop professional skills, but also have a strong, attractive personality that is easy to sell to the public. Not every talented person knows how to behave correctly in front of the camera to interest the viewer. Almost every world star works with specialists who create an image. Are teenage trainees ready to take on such responsibility and be themselves?
Y'all so dramatic about this. It's like liking a series on Netflix or a K-drama; it's all artistic. Experienced K-pop fans suspend their disbelief when fangirling but deep down we know it's all part of the show, to be a type of way to fit a concept.
K-pop idols are like any other artist in the rest of industries and like any other human, we have different ways to behave depending on the people we are around.
The way y'all put it is as if "all k-pop idols are monsters and evil and terrible humans behind closee doors and pretend to be good to fool the fans".
Do you think Taylor swift or Zendaya are the same way as they act when giving interviews? Answer is NO, and, does that make them evil masked monsters? The answer is NO. So stop being too overly dramatic about the topic.
Idols and celebrities are humans and as such, there are good and bad. Even your neighbor can be someone else from what you think you know. Even a family member.
If you feel like a k-pop idol is "scamming you with their fake persona", then leave k-pop and enter another non-K-Pop fandom instead, to see how that goes. You don't need to like k-pop, it's a choice.
And that girl just wants attention. I am sure western younsters enter k-pop training companies to be whistleblowers or "insiders", to gain attention by "exposing the k-pop industry". Lol.
I agree so many things like beauty standards need to change in k-pop, but i am so bored by these westerns who only enter k-pop just so they can discredit and bad mouth idol peers by indirectly calling them all "fake" and "manufactured". 🥱 Idc for that girl or what she has to say. Lol.
i remember renjun saying something abou that , that he was assigned the shy cute member, when he is not shy and i mean i love his personnality as it is , and he can be cute sometimes when he doesn't even try
This isn't new information. This has been known for a long time. Idols have said this before about being assigned personalities that they then have to constantly portray in public. Where they either have to be silent and broody or overly bubbly and cutesy. This practice also can't be equated to the handful of pop artists in the Western entertainment world who became part of groups where character identities were the point of the group. There's only a handful of examples where that can be mentioned.
It's just like theatre, only for a longer time. I don't see a problem, other than their age.
This has always happened in girl and boy groups. There’s even a movie produced by MTV called 2gether, about the creation of a a boyband where they assigned each member a personality based on other similar bands, like the boyband blueprint: the cute one, the funny one, the elder brother one, the bad boy and the heartthrob.
Being an idol its not for everyone, back then idols trained for many years before manage to debut. The desperation to be one make them accept all t&c given.
I saw someone posted “only asian can be kpop idol” wdyt ?
We can tell that in Twice Tzuyu and Mina personality is also formed from the company. Maybe even more fromt twice or other groups like Itzy, skz or nmixx.
Kpop Fans need to understand that we dont know the Idols real personality and we will never be and this leaks are only the tip of the iceberg. There is still so much in the dark that would shock us or would end careers of Idols.
Tzuyu and Mina are the quiet, introverted members by nature, they are like that from the beginning, its not fake
people talks about gen 2 but this has been going since gen 1
Kpop idols on screen personalities are people they mastered to perfection. They embody a character that fits with their role in the group as well as their group's concept. Let's not praise nor hate these idols for being humans.
Do remember the title of the first album dropped by TWICE is, “The Story Begins. . . .” This told me from the beginning that the 9 TWICE were fictional characters.
Oh come on!! K-POP didn’t just start a few months ago. Anyone whom stans K-POP has known for years about the specific clauses in the contracts, we have all known about the CONCEPTS decided for most individual K-POP idols, we’ve all known about needing to have permission to cut and/or dye one’s hair prior to doing so along with needing permission for getting piercings and/or tattoos. This is due to promotions for album covers, posters the MV and so on and so forth. These companies invest huge amounts of money into these comebacks and into these idols and changing your appearance, without giving the company a heads up toys with their investment, which can change the projection of their foreseeable profits on your comeback. All these things are for a reason it’s about business. Chaeyoung was/is the little rebel and cut her hair very short without permission and got tatted up without permission. The company got upset by her decisions but nothing was done to her bcuz JYPE does care about their idols REGARDLESS of what is being blown way out of proportion. Everybody knows about the strict diet and having to be very thin, and you can’t be getting tanned because it’s looked down upon by the Korean society. LOOK, YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH A CONTRACT IN WHICH YOU, AND YOUR PARENTS/GUARDIAN AND YOUR ATTORNEY(S) READ OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL EVERYONE IS PERFECTLY CLEAR ABOUT EVERY SINGLE WORD IN THAT CONTRACT. THAT IS THE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO DECIDE AND/OR REQUEST ANY CHANGES TO SAID CONTRACT. ONCE AN AGREEMENT IS MET AND THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED, THAT’S IT!! DON’T PLAY DUMB AND ACT LIKE YOU DIDN’T KNOW WHAT WAS IN YOUR CONTRACT AND TRY TO SUE YOUR AGENCY. YOU SIGNED IT HELLO!!
Who takes this channel seriously? Same old regurgitated content
lol making Minho the “quiet and mysterious” one. Bwahaha. That guy is the goofiest mofo in the 2nd Gen.
Maybe bcs SHINee Minho is the tallest one lol
I think the first contract idols sign are usually very restrictive, with clauses like these being very common. The idols seem way more lively and unique when they renew their contracts after the seven-year period. I first felt this with Stray Kids. They seem to have a lot more skinship with each other after their contract renewal. Whereas there were a few controversies before about staff telling them to remove their hands from other members' shoulders during live streams and such before.
this video explained it perfectly... however i am missing something
I understand that KG was blinded by the opportunity to debut with JYPE so I am saying this is for the next generation
If you want to be an idol and you AND YOUR PARENTS read this kind of contract... with such red flags... DO NOT SIGN IT under any circumstances and wait for a better opportunity
I mean now KG, for example, has hardly debuted, has a tone of debt, will have to spend a tone more on lawyers, and maybe will give up her dreams of being an artist... so do not you think it would have been better not to join?
so again, if you AND YOUR PARENTS read the contract and already see things that you are not OK with, regardless of how good the opportunity might have felt, just do not sign
I remember VIXX from the Jellyfish Entertainment. There was an idol variety show that one of the MC's was questioning Leo about his sudden change in personality. N, the leader, spoke how the company gave him the image of being dark and mysterious during the groups early years. It's especially shown during the Mydol and the early VIXX TV eras when they were really active. But when Leo and Ravi debut as a subunit, LR, I believe it was during that era that Leo decided to shed that image and show his true personality, and it was more endearing to see him behave more openly then how he was before
If they did I missed it. Though I must admit when I first saw 'like ooh aah' I couldn't understand Jeyongyouns look. she was so different.
They are full time actors....😂😂
Tae even.....forced to be cold from cheerful😢
1. She’s American
2. K-pop bg/gg are modeled after other global boy bands/girl groups
3. The “personality’s” are usually (the shy one, the adventurous one, the youngest one)
These aren’t damaging, they’re meant to allow the fans to connect to individuals they can relate to…This isn’t a new concept and people need to calm down
What many fans forget is that idols are just normal people who are simply molded into what the masses want. The fans want a certain image and the label fulfills this wish. Because of this extreme desire for a certain image, it is often ignored that idols also have a right to be sad, angry or stressed when they are in public.
I have always said that these are roles they play.
True for example they needed a smeIIy indian for katseye so they added one
This goes further than k-pop. You're going to be part of an industry that wants to make money. It didn't work out for you or you felt the people were objectifying you? Welcome to the entertainment business.
Quick question, did you guys REALLY expect 20 years old + to genuinely be mentally 13?
Are you guys really wondering how authentic this whole industry is?
I have news for you, none of it is, not a single delusional fan in the comment section has any idea who the idols he/she loves so much truly is.
And that's fine, as long as we are all aware and it is purely transactional, we provide money, they provide entertainment, the end.
THANK YOU!!!!!! You couldn’t have said this any better👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Guys.. At the end of the day, kpop is a business. Don't be surprised and get all emotional about it.
It's like WWE wrestling, but prettier! Everyone but small children know wrestling is scripted and the wrestlers are playing a character. Kpop idols are no different. They are actors playing a role they have been given. It is a formula that works.
To be honest, most people in the world are self-centered trash so the idea of an idol that always looks perfect and sounds perfect is great entertainment because it isn't real life. I understand the draw. I discovered Kpop in 2011 through Girl's Generation. It was during a difficult time in my life, and they were the only thing good I saw in life that made me smile. They were perfect, even in their imperfections. Watching them during that time was like watching a fairy tale. Sometimes, people need a fairy tale or a story with a happy ending.
Living vicariously through entertainment has value. You can't go through life beating people up, but you can turn on WWE wrestling and watch the good guys beat up the bad guys most weeks, and it makes people feel good. Much of human history is told in stories with heroes...and yes idols.
US version was doomed from the start because they like to sue over everything. That girl didn’t know the KPop industry but decided to pursue it. Who the hell would want their idols (aka investments) balding themselves and tattooing their faces? Of course they have to put restrictions! She clearly did not know the industry well enough to join one. Not the company’s fault.
Imagine thinking your bias is all UWU, woe unto you lol
Can you please make a video about jyp mistreating Ryujin from ITZY
it true that we dont know our idols personality off camera like that one member in NCT 127 but that does not mean that our idols are 100% fake like Seventeen Stray kids Enhypen txt etc some times they really proves that they dont have to pretend on camera they have good personalities but also bad because they are human (STAND ENHYPEN STRAY KIDS TXT SVT FOR BETTER HEALTH🤭) i feel sorry for the idols who cant showcase their real personality cuz it can misunderstand his or her intention and be labeled as rude cold bully or bad when they are kind and sweat😥
Girl ydk them either… no one would’ve guessed Taeil would do something like that, and that’s the same for any other idol. You’re only mentioning them because you obviously stan them, but ydk what they’re actually like
Again you can't trust any of those idol
Yeah, sure some members of some of the groups are "more authentic" ( or the company was smart enough to align the Idol persona with the true one), but for real no one is bothered when a group of mod twenties boys act all cute with plush toys and cutsie hair bands at a fan event 🤷♀️😨 (SKZ Japan for instance). For real WHEN has anyone of you seen a mid twenty year old man behave and look this way? Have a "assigned personality" if you must, but the company should let this personality "grow/develop " with time as the Idol grows. Another issue: if the kpop groups (and Cpop, Jpop, and so on) want to make it in the West......they need to be more authentic. B/c that's what sticks here in the end. Peace out.
@@muzikcaulwell421 can i ask which group do you stand
@ShammahAgahozoNdoba you can.....but I am not going to tell. I am not your typical Kpop Group fan 😉
I am proud of KG for sticking up for herself and for caring so much about her team mates. I do not understand why everyone needs to play a personality. That sounds like brainwashing. It is very sad.
I remember meeting Iroha for the first time off camera and she was very cold and distant. She had a pretty bland personality and I had to mention my wealth before she even showed any interest in engaging. I also wanted to mention we are about the same age and I wasn’t much older, taller, or anything, and I don’t look very intimidating. I was warm, kind, and respectful and she just wasn’t nearly as kind as I thought she’d be. And no, she wasn’t tired because she had told her group mate she had gotten 10 hours of good sleep the night before.
this has been going for so long and is very widespread. I believe though that being forced to portray a fake persona to the fans you claim to be your salvation is totally sick and mind twisted.
you don’t need to be someone else to keep privacy personally omission is fine to me.
Jyp has never been wholesome lmao since they made momo starve
Momo did that to herself
@@ThinkingWoman30They pressured her, they gave her a really close deadline to lose weight or they wouldn’t let her debut, she clearly had no choice, so the agency urged her to starve
That's what I miss the most. They seem to be Roboter. Actors. They never are their true self. I miss that. Would love to see that.
Years ago I thought BTS are kinda "real" at least more human than the groups before them. But it took a while to realize that the facade will never really crash down
To be deeply honest, this disingenuous part of K-pop is why I like it. As a child I was very stubborn and unashamed to be myself, but this worked out horribly for me. As I grew older I realized honesty was not an option. It feels like the weight of a huge system is forcing me into a certain shape, and when I see that in idols it's very relatable. And Idols are my role models because I know how harsh their circumstances are and what they have to put up with.
As a longtime kpop fan, I've always discerned that kpop is a product of fantasy & escapism.
This is like WWE and AEW in the US talents (“wrestlers”) leave WWE due to creative differences on to find out their real personality sucks but blames the wwe for not getting over.
International fans confusing idols with normal entertainers and celebrities is funny. There are two different types of music entertainers in the entertainment industries of countries like SK, China, and Japan. 1st there are normal musicians and artists that are similiar to those in the West and then 2nd there are Idols. This is why Idols for the longest time up, until recently were viewed as C-Tier celebrities in their countries.
The job of Idols is to sell fantasies, provide a form of escapism for fans, and create parasocial relationships with fans. This this has always been known in the East. It's literally the business model and point of the Idol industry.
Idols = the original E-Girls and E-Boys. Selling a fantasy and providing lonely fans with an escape from reality is their true job, not performing music.
Wait, what you are describing is form of prostitution, selling fantasies and escaping reality for lonely people, is the music there just to make it legal.
2nd comment ❤ btw I love ur vids!! Been watching u from 4 years
This sounds like the lady who used to host the Scandy channel
How about if you don't want a contract with a company that shapes your image and personality...you go it alone and sing in the subway with a hat in front of you
Amazing video ❤❤
None of that is shocking, you know what would be shocking? making a video about their sexual habits, particularly those of male idols who often sleep with prostitutes.
But that's their privat life. We don’t have anything to do with that. If it's legal and consented who cares? It's not really worse then paying for porn?
I'm an atiny and the idea of San being forced to carry Shiber around makes me so sad, but it makes sense.
A person on her own can't develop a self. A person (or group) among others must maintain a performance in front of them. This is the case for everyone upon social interaction, whether it's person-person or artist-audience. In k-pop, idols always portray an idealized version of themselves, whether the company mandates it or not. Fans, the audience, find this disconcerting because it disturbs their conception of the show. The duality frightens them. It's like there is a front stage where the fantasy is displayed for them to witness, and a back stage of which they are ignorant. I hate to break it to you but there's always a back stage in interaction. Idols among themselves are not idols in front of audience. (Even among themselves they display a performance, but a different one). As I said this is the case for everyone of us, we are performers. This doesn't mean there's a real self which we hide, another we display to others. Authenticity is a myth. The self or personality is not something static that lurks behind the mask. What is displayed is both real and calculated. What is hidden is both real and imagined. Prescribing personalities to idols is obviously a sad (hyper)reality, but let's face it this is just one small facet of neoliberalism (or late capitalism or hyperreality or simulation or consumer society or whatever u like)
I think this is cultural issue as well. I have seen Koreans changing their birth name quite regularly. It is as if you put on a new skin with a new name. This could be a cultural aspect. For most of us non koreans changing your birth name is an extreme measure. Your name is everything - history and identity. It's hard to change names like that.
I believe the trainees changing names and taking on a new personality is not inauthentic. And I think East Asians are culturally suited to compartmentalise themselves better than westerners. They can easilly switch between their private and public faces without having any conflicts or thinking they are being inauthentic.
This trainee who is a westerner is just not suited for that imo.
Twice had specific characters?
This is Getting Exhausting.
Being An Idol is A Job with Peaks which many could ONLY DREAM OF.
It is JUST A JOB WHICH PAYS FOR YOUR GOOD LIFE.
Sacrifices is A Norm in any job.
A Labourer...with their body aches n pains without any medical coverage.
Top students sleeping less than 3 hours a night...
Idols with Strict Rules just like A School.
They need to FIT AN IMAGE WHICH SELLS.
If IT IS JUST TOO HARD.
WALK AWAY.
Having A Persona...created by the company provide safety n privacy to artists.
When Fans start hating.
It is Nothing personal.
It is NOT YOU. It is The Image.
Marketing n Promotion Team FAILURE not the idols themselves.
Life is Tough.
Just Get A Helmet n push through if this is what you want.
Being An Idol is A 3 to 7 years thingy.
It is NOT A LIFE SENTENCE.
After all said n done.
If you are truly A Great Artist NOT JUST A PRETTY FACE...
The World is Open to YOUR VERSION OF YOURSELF to find success.
Where do u get this much information
The internet, this is all publicly available information 😂
KG's lawsuit and rumors
What a shame, imagine if I'm a talkative person who has a bubbly personality, then BOOM!, I sign a contract changing my personality to sexy and misterious 🧐
I really don't understand what's so wrong about Hyening Kai (for name one idol) being super fantasy and fairy on stage and being super nerdy and bubbly in real life??? I can enjoy an idol who's personality adapts to a concept, to me that's k-pop and that's art. People wanna make it seem like all k-pop idols are mean, bullies and bad people hiding behind a fake persona assigned by their company.
There are many things that need to change in k-pop, for sure. But I think scandals like burning sun etc, have contributed to the disillusionment of idols. People are more cautious of this and companies have adapted too. Idols have an image to take care of, which can be extremely stressful for them. But from what I've seen, Americans and Europeans fans mostly, expect them to burp in public, cuss openly and be openly about their sexuality, (validate their every mundain acts to feel their idols are 'relatable') etc; why? Because westerns fans don't know the line between a public and a private life. They want to have access to these idols' lives and real selves 20/7, as if they're (the non asian fans mostly) entitled to these idols' lives just because they are fans.
So if San (for example) is so funny and spontaneous in his intimacy but has always presented himself as 'Mysterius', then if int. fans "discover" this shift in personality, they make a huge drama about it starting to complain, etc, using phrases such as "the company forced him to be like this and that" when you don't know if it was a mutual decision. Lol. Whatever. I'm just exhausted of this new generation of fans. K-pop was SOOOOOOO much fun before BTS made k-pop so famous, thus attracting this horde of t*xic and immature fans to ruin k-pop fandoms with all their critiques and complaints about what they drink, if it supports ¡sr@€£, zyonistz, blah blah, or if the companies don't let them twerk, blah blah ..... Lol.
I want k-pop to go back to 2013 😂😂😂
I miss Naeun.
And if you'd wanted a Tomboy why would you choose her? I can think of at least two other members that would have suited the role better
6:09 you're joking, right?? SAN!!!!! Omg...
there is such thing as scenic gimmick, you have to stick to it , otherwise you are not pro enough
Being assigned a personality and choosing a vibe are totally different. I hear what your saying, but take umbridge with using spice girls to further your analagy- when there very different situations and people, Spice girls still has authenticity of interests.The two just dont equate. As in all things consent and integrity matter.
I do think got7 chose personality they craz
Jyp really thought they could treat western girls like the girls in kpop industry
ever heard of ballet, gymnastics, peewee football? Those industries treat "western" kids the same with insane degree of training and discipline.
It was the LA based location that did all this
So.. Just dont be an idol if you dont want to be "controlled"? I predict girls and boys will keep auditions to these kpop companies.. LoL
Sue them due them all. Talk about the "idol" are viewed as contractors hence they are not given the same protection under korean labor laws. Also can you talk about how the companies use parasocial relationships as a marketing ploy as well.
About the personality I think they did the same to riize cause wonbin
Smh I just peeped naeun and shinee were in a show together on Netflix’s I know im being hella random loool
SM created a mysterious personality for EXO as whole group 😂Which is why they rarely send them to any variety shows because members end up destroy SM's given persona. Because of this shit our 2nd fandom created a whole new narrative that EXO are bunch rude and arrogant people who bullied their boys😂 also so many ex that fandom says they think EXO do not have any personality and they are amazed by how funny members are.But Thankfully EXO members are very smooth with their stage persona and off stage persona from very early on, since they do not go to a lot of variety show non fans don't know but fans are well aware.
I think this is same scenario with all the older groups, they expose their real persona when they feel comfortable with their fans
This is both surprising and not at all at the same time, lol.
I was crushed when I read about assigning Idols personalities...I love many kpop group but my No 1 is Stray Kids...the thought that any of them are not who they seem to be made me feel sick. Are any of our Idols who they seem to be or are they acting a role, faking a connection and deceiving us.?
For me, stray kids and seventeen. That’s it ❤.
Yes, you are being deceived for $$$
It’s sad but probably cuz they are idols
And that’s the problem, you care too much about these people that you dk…. It makes you feel sick???? You need to stop idolizing these people before you get too ahead of yourself…
I am a Stay too. The thing with Stray Kids is that they have so much content aside from their music videos that it would be difficult for them to always be "on" so we see many real moments with them. I don't think they are faking their personalities. But of course they are going to show their best sides for the cameras most of the time. But this is true of every celebrity. No we don't know them so we will never know if what they show us is 100% true self. Even people that are not celebrities though can hide beneath personas so that is just how things are. It's not worth focusing on and feeling sick over.
Merry Christmas everybody. Hope you're doing well and don't forget to watch Squid Game S2
This isn’t news.
BTS is a good example of how it’s a stupid practice. Their first couple of years after debut, their image was corny as hell. They seemed to collectively decide as a group, heck with this, and their chaotic sibling energy blew up, and their authenticity shone and probably made them far more popular than they ever would have been had they stuck to the “bad boy” hip hop PR vibe pushed off on them.
I've always thought there was more to JYP than meets the eye! He's so arrogant and fake imo.
at the end its biusness after all
Lisa is a prime example! Jennie is not so much, which is why she is not like by many people.
Frrrr
Bruh
That's a lie
How lisa is a prime example? Can you explain me?
@ I think They mean the like yk girl crush/mean look she has but staff call her one of the nicest ppl they’ve met!
As a stay engene moa and atiny, now I don’t know if they’re real anymore
As an American, I have yet to meet a celebrity that didn’t majorly disappoint me. So many celebrities are involved in so much corruption to get to where they are. We really don’t know these people behind closed doors.
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