Thanks for taking time to dismantle the mechanism and demonstrate the point of failure. I agree it was repairable but as a professional you need to do a reliable longterm fix for the customer. 😇
A man after my own heart. Always like to dissect failed parts to see the cause. Sometimes you can learn how to prevent it happening again and sometimes you have to just replace a part with built in redundancy.
Being a master technician means you must learn something new every day. Disection of failed parts is an excellent way to learn ... Thank you Ray for teaching us too !
A screw stuck to magnet reminded me, spent 45 minutes the other day. Looking for magnetic drain plug for my differential. Turned out, it was stuck to the bottom of my creeper
Was ultrasonicly cleaning a small engine Carb, I have all the pieces in the cleaner, finished 2 30 minute cycles, then went to put the carb back together, once it was clean, and could not find the float pin, spent 45 minutes looking for the damn thing, it was in the throat of the carb stuck sideways.... LMAO
Great job with the ignition switch repair. I have seen hundreds of these switches go out on Honda's and Acura's over the years, but never took the time to open one up to look inside. Thank you for dissecting this one. Very informative
Honda has been having ignition switches go bad since 1980- when they get really bad they'll cut off at any time- suddenly you're in a very dangerous situation- dead engine no power steering or brakes,what fun !
1:00 "There it is!" Poor Lauren looks confused and thinking "What is he talking about? Ok, better do it later". This was a perfect moment. If done on purpose it wouldn't be so funny.😂
My old 2006 Honda Civic was a fantastic car, would still have it but it was driven into the back of a truck by a certain teenager. I had this same problem occur on my 2015 Kawasaki Versys, ignition switch points corroded. Once diagnosed I disassembled it and cleaned them, worked like a charm after.
This can work, certainly. I wouldn't do it, though, partly because the replacement isn't expensive, and partly because the corrosion and simple wear have both removed metal, so it has less theoretical life left. I'm into optimal reliability and use of my time. That said, when I was younger, cleaning is exactly what I would have done, because I had much more time than money.
13:27 You just gave me homework 😂 I had to replace the blower motor and connector in our 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan last year. Adding a replacement relay to the shopping list! It's easy to get tunnel vision with repairs, especially when a failed component is super obvious (in that case the connector was scorched and partially melted, and the blower had been failing at lower speeds for awhile). Given the symptoms, I hadn't even looked at the relay or considered the additional wear to it. Yay learning 😂😭🤣
@johnt.848 If I was the customer, I would be very satisfied with the video. In the 1970s, I fixed many a television tuner with contacts like this. They just wear out despite the green grease.
As a electronic guy, retired , the first part I would have changed is switch, then relay then starter but firstly I would have put a meter on starter voltage input terminal to determine if in fact voltage was getting there. If it was did voltage drop. If it did you whack motor with a hammer. Very sad first guy never diagnosed a problem. You’re a great troubleshooter Ray
@@sleepib Yes, but much harder if you don't know how to properly diagnose things. Most guys don't. Period. They load the parts cannon because they're clueless.
@@edifyguy I'll give the prior tech the benefit of the doubt here. It's entirely possible the issue couldn't be replicated at the time the starter was replaced.
@@sleepib Possible? Yes. However, it's more likely that they didn't try hard enough. Ray reproduced it pretty easily, and those contacts in the switch didn't get that bad overnight. Sadly, there are a lot of parts changers out there, and not very many diagnostic techs.
They are great cars, but I worry that the new ones are not as good, especially since they are merging with Nissan. The Nissan engines are great, but those CVT transmissions suck.
Cool vid, especially the dissection at the end. I love opening things up to see how they work. Understand if you don't generally do that, but I think for the sake of the vids, its good to see inside these components that have failed. Esp if it just takes 5 mins to get into it like this one did. Fascinating to see the results of switch arcing. Starters carry a lot of current when cranking, and this is the result of those switches wearing out with time. Nice one, Ray :) Always love how despite your limited time at times, you still manage to take the time to explain stuff to us. That takes some real talent.
Morning Ray wife unit the boys started watch video oh put on hold got myself coffee ☕️ no cream or sugar finish watching awesome and as always you all be safe 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
There is no way to tell just how many times that ignition was turned and cranked in it's life. To last a long time like things like that ignition do is really an amazing feat of engineering and design. So cool how something so small is really something major when it comes to autos. Yall take care down that way. Cheers.
Well done Ray! Used the power of logic throughout. The copper coloured pressed metal part in the switch will either be phophor bronze or beryllium copper. Pure copper would be too soft. Don't sand or grind beryllium copper parts as the dust if inhaled is toxic. Bet the switch module cost a LOT less than the new starter motor!
That's why proper diagnosis is essential to not only a satisfied customer, but also treating them with integrity. Replacing parts that didn't need replacement because you were too inept or lazy to properly diagnose the real problem is wasteful as a DIYer, and completely unethical as a service provider. Ray is one of the few who really understand diagnosis, it seems.
Once the pitting and burning starts on electrical contacts, it is a matter of time when the component fails - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, bit it will fail. The pitting causes a high resistance which causes more heat, more pitting and more burring. Best case scenario the item stops working, worse case scenario a fire starts. Good pick-up Ray.
Ray I had the same problem with my 99 Honda Accord that I bought new when it got about 78 years old know it was over 8 years old I went through three starters before I gave the cards a charity motors got a big tax deduction because it wouldn't give me enough trade in boy that was the greatest car ever owned 4-cylinder but loaded.😂❤ good show as usual keep up the great work Ray. Mile marker Mikey Trenton Michigan
Parts availability is a great data point. Interesting one I ran across years ago rebuilding a 91 4Runner was more price based. I wanted to replace the right front fender because it was pretty dinged up, and it was priced almost $100 more than the driver side despite being essentially identical. Apparently folks that off-road are WAY more likely to bang the passenger side up, so they charge more for that part!
Seems funny that Ray praises the design as neat, when so many switches fail that every parts store has replacements in stock. That is a logical disconnect to me.
@@BillMalcolm-tn3kq That's because they last long enough to see a wear item like a switch fail. It's a simple, readily replaced component, and it doesn't need to last an eternity.
@Monkeh616 Ah, I see. That explains everything, you think. But the wear item known as the engine hasn't failed. I've had three friends with that era Civic, so am not exactly unfamiliar with the breed. I just laugh at all the gatekeepers who leap out of the woodwork to defend Honda come what may. The illogic is outstanding. Rainman's Odyssey has been a paragon of reliability and virtue, right?
My 89 accord lx, 91 accord ex, and 98 civic ex are the only cars I've ever had that i could not kill! The 89 had a blown head gasket and still drove for years until I sold it!
well now since my daily is the same color 07 civic with 280k on the clock is my daily commute (mine is the two door with a 5 speed) this is some handy info to be on the lookout for and definatly will be a easy fix if needed in the future
Looked at a newer civic (22) for my daughter. Ended up going with a 22 camry an really what made my mind up on it was the camry is AWD. Up here in ohio that helps alot in the snow.
Great video. Those contacts I can relate to. Never ever try to fix them cause they migth work for a while then dies again. Most of the money on these jobs is being spent on assembly-disasembly time, not on parts. It is never worth it.
I've been watching for quite a while now but have no complaints at all. Reading the comments, I'm starting to feel left out having nothing to complain about. Yeah, so I'm going to need you to step up your game so I can complain too. 😆 Good show, keep up the awesome work. Happy New Year to you and your lovely wife unit.
I shoot my videos with iPhones and was thinking of switching to GoPro. This video has convinced me to save my money. Thanks. BTW, they do make wireless microphones for iPhones
Great video! I like it when you perform an autopsy on parts. My wife used to own the exact same model car, even down to the color. It was a good little car.
I salute you for finding that problem. Almost LOLd when you found the screw on the magnet; I once spent half an hour looking for a missing nut, then I found it was stuck to the magnet of my drop light.
Had the same problem in my VW golf back in the day. The intermittent starter not starting wasn't so bad but when on christmas eve on our visit to the graveyard my headlights stopped working because of the same broken part wasn't fun. Driving country roads in pitch black without driving lights was quite bad. The workaround for this until I finally got the part swapped was rubberbanding the relay closed and ripping it out when not driving.
Awesome video. Got one of these and can cause a buzz when the key turn isn't a solid twist. Will be picking up the part for the inevitable "some day". Plus you showed us what not to break. (but at the shade tree level, I'll disconnect the battery)
You can also get "finger ratchets" that have no handles for closer quarter combat where you've got no room or extremely less room to swing a normal ratchet with a handle. Excessive oxidisation creating a skin of corrosion that was acting like an electron insulator 😆 🤣 😂 Nice catch there Ray, no fumbles to be seen there 👍 👌 They are only good for fastners that don't require excessive torque as they have a larger circumference than the fasteners or are good running fastners in or out quickly as they are reversible. 👍 👌
71st! T.G.I.F. Ray,Lauren,Dave,and Justin. I always learn something from your videos. Would never try to do most if not all of them. Want to be able to drive my vehicles after the fix, and if I tried to fix them, I would not. Not a repair kind of guy. Wish I was, but no. Roger in Pierre South Dakota
I had the hybrid version of the civic, the only thing that gave me sticker shock was when I thought it might have had a coil issue. That little 4 cylinder had 8 spark plugs, so 8 coils at $100+ for oem and $200 from honda EACH!
Great info! I own one of those exact same car! I put a starter on a year or two ago (a pain) and I now have additional info if starting becomes a problem again! Thanks Ray!
Nice to see you using experience and logic to bypass a lengthy, complicated electrical diagnosis to convince you to fire a mini parts canon at this problem. It was a calculated risk that was the right call. I’m afraid Eric O would still be pulling up diagrams and hooking up oscilloscopes to confirm malfunction’s cause, while charging his customer extra for it.
You are absolutly correct. I had a fuel pump die and get replaced and all was then good until hours later when the crank no start symptom came back. The mobile tech that did the pump came out and swapped the AC replay and starter relay. voila!
One nice thing about this style ignition and starter switch, the replacement switches are no expensive, and can easily be changed by the home mechanic. I changed a similar switches in and old Subaru as well. 20 to 25 years of regular use is about all they can handle.
For the screws holding the plastic clamshell around the steering wheel column, turn the screw CCW (anticlockwise) to begin the reassembly process, usually about 3/4 of a turn. This will put the screw back in the original threads and not weaken or strip the screw hole.
It was funny, but then again, it wasn't the first time he'd said that, at least to himself. When you're in the market for a wife unit, there comes a point where you realize, "There it is!" LOL.....I'm happy for them. They seem really good for each other.
My son had one of these and put over 200K on it with minimal issues. It was a great car as he wasn't terribly fastidious with both repairs and maintenance.
It must be a common problem with the ignition switch, if the parts stores have several in stock. They wouldn't carry a bunch in inventory, if they weren't selling them. Good call on the repair, because everyone seems to blame the starter, and don't even think about the switch that turns the starter on.
I had a landrover freelander like this once, and I think the ignition switch was at fault; a new one put it right. thanks for the very informative video
You know Ray, if you were to get a Sony, Canon or even a Panasonic camcorder, you would get extreme zoom, the use of external audio and much more. They're extremely light weight and, in 1080p, very cheap. (Like $250.00 range). Oh, and video cameras can record as long as you have power and space. No time limits.
This is a pretty common problem on Rover vehicles, which also used the Honda type ignition switch. Oh a stick with the phone for recording, as the picture is much clearer, and doesn't have the GoPro fish eye image distortion. The audio sounds more natural too.
I have seen equal number of Honda with bad ignition switched and bad main relays cause that. The main relay is behind the glove box in that one. If You giggle the key and it starts or dies or won't restart sometimes, it is the ignition switch. Those starters are not the easiest ones to do, especially up north where the exhaust manifold bolts are rusted on.
Helped a friend out with an ignition lock cylinder problem on their 96 Honda Accord with 700,000km , and that specialty single use bolt was a *nightmare*. Pricey too! They literally had to have a passenger with them all the time just to hold the key in the start position or it would turn off 🤣
Had the same with an Opel Corsa. Ignition switch and the lock cylinder were very cheap, plus very easy to install after watching a video or three. Just had the hardest part being the removal of the security module, and to swap the chip to the new key. Now to code in a spare module, so the second key can work, and also get a new remote module programmed in so there is now a spare key, and to also delete all other remotes for safety.
Thank you for the educational content, I am learning so much and understanding so much more. Also learning to not backseat diagnose or comment until the end, because you show the answers 99% of the time. Though still curious as to if you removed that thermometer from the car ages ago
Good day to you Ray and Happy New Year. I am always impressed with your collection of tools. As a DIYer, I am so jealous. Always watch your videos and I always learn something new, except for the oil changes. LOL!!!😂
Phone worked pretty well IMO. Good autopsy. I had to replace the switch on my Focus twice, but it was because the interface between the switch and the driver was cheap plastic that just went to full round after 5-6 years. Also the driver bar was at least 50% smaller than the Honda's and eventually snapped after 15 years. Junk.
Similar problem with 1990 Mazda B2000 truck. No switch at local parts store or upullit, so starter function was relocated to a push button, on the dash, retro 1950’s pick up
Great video, thanks so much for taking along and thanks for taking the switch apart and showing why the switch failed. For people that aren't electrically wired it is good to see it. Can you please give me some more info on that awesome double end ratchet? Very Cool
I'm not sure if I'm more impressed by the one-handed mechanical service work, or the one-handed videography.
Thanks for taking time to dismantle the mechanism and demonstrate the point of failure. I agree it was repairable but as a professional you need to do a reliable longterm fix for the customer. 😇
A man after my own heart. Always like to dissect failed parts to see the cause. Sometimes you can learn how to prevent it happening again and sometimes you have to just replace a part with built in redundancy.
Being a master technician means you must learn something new every day. Disection of failed parts is an excellent way to learn ... Thank you Ray for teaching us too !
I agree, sometimes you can repair the part next time, or replace knowing what it is.
periodic fails are the worst..... That's why the Americans is lucky to have a mechanic that knows what he's doing....
I love the diagnostic videos. If you don't know why it broke how can you make sure it does not keep happening.
A screw stuck to magnet reminded me, spent 45 minutes the other day. Looking for magnetic drain plug for my differential. Turned out, it was stuck to the bottom of my creeper
Was ultrasonicly cleaning a small engine Carb, I have all the pieces in the cleaner, finished 2 30 minute cycles, then went to put the carb back together, once it was clean, and could not find the float pin, spent 45 minutes looking for the damn thing, it was in the throat of the carb stuck sideways.... LMAO
lol that’s funny.
DOH! That’s a new one.
Been there/done that....
Great job with the ignition switch repair. I have seen hundreds of these switches go out on Honda's and Acura's over the years, but never took the time to open one up to look inside. Thank you for dissecting this one. Very informative
I have to take every bad part apart to see why it failed.
I agree, but it can happen on any make or model. The older ignition switches commonly go bad.
Honda has been having ignition switches go bad since 1980- when they get really bad they'll cut off at any time- suddenly you're in a very dangerous situation- dead engine no power steering or brakes,what fun !
@@dddevildogg Yikes, been there
@@jthonn Twice for me but a 5 speed in both times
1:00 "There it is!"
Poor Lauren looks confused and thinking "What is he talking about? Ok, better do it later".
This was a perfect moment. If done on purpose it wouldn't be so funny.😂
I didn't notice until you pointed it out. That is funny. The dynamic those two have is so cute and precious.
Indeed. And most of the time it's Lauren getting caught completely unaware. 😂
You really know your cars. Being honest sure makes you a great mechanic
He watched a TH-cam video 😂
@@gregholmes3661 🤣
My old 2006 Honda Civic was a fantastic car, would still have it but it was driven into the back of a truck by a certain teenager.
I had this same problem occur on my 2015 Kawasaki Versys, ignition switch points corroded. Once diagnosed I disassembled it and cleaned them, worked like a charm after.
This can work, certainly. I wouldn't do it, though, partly because the replacement isn't expensive, and partly because the corrosion and simple wear have both removed metal, so it has less theoretical life left. I'm into optimal reliability and use of my time. That said, when I was younger, cleaning is exactly what I would have done, because I had much more time than money.
13:27 You just gave me homework 😂 I had to replace the blower motor and connector in our 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan last year. Adding a replacement relay to the shopping list!
It's easy to get tunnel vision with repairs, especially when a failed component is super obvious (in that case the connector was scorched and partially melted, and the blower had been failing at lower speeds for awhile).
Given the symptoms, I hadn't even looked at the relay or considered the additional wear to it.
Yay learning 😂😭🤣
When the question is should we open this part up? Answer is yes always yes.
Right?
What if the customer wants the old parts back, so he can do the dissection to see what is wrong?
Yes, as long as there is no core charge.
@johnt.848 If I was the customer, I would be very satisfied with the video. In the 1970s, I fixed many a television tuner with contacts like this. They just wear out despite the green grease.
You betcha!
As a electronic guy, retired , the first part I would have changed is switch, then relay then starter but firstly I would have put a meter on starter voltage input terminal to determine if in fact voltage was getting there. If it was did voltage drop. If it did you whack motor with a hammer.
Very sad first guy never diagnosed a problem.
You’re a great troubleshooter Ray
If I noticed the relay buzzing, I'd have started with the relay, and then the switch. But it's hard with intermittent problems.
@@sleepib Yes, but much harder if you don't know how to properly diagnose things. Most guys don't. Period. They load the parts cannon because they're clueless.
@@edifyguy I'll give the prior tech the benefit of the doubt here. It's entirely possible the issue couldn't be replicated at the time the starter was replaced.
@@sleepib Possible? Yes. However, it's more likely that they didn't try hard enough. Ray reproduced it pretty easily, and those contacts in the switch didn't get that bad overnight. Sadly, there are a lot of parts changers out there, and not very many diagnostic techs.
I put 500,000 km on my 07 civic (310K miles) before i sold it. Was still running great and not burning oil. Bought it new. Absolutely great car.
Me too! 310,000 miles, original clutch, always started and always ran. Only sold mine 'cause of my bad knees (old man.) I miss it.
They are great cars, but I worry that the new ones are not as good, especially since they are merging with Nissan. The Nissan engines are great, but those CVT transmissions suck.
@@jthonnyes, I wouldn’t own something with a CVT transmission, if you gave it to me for free.
I like how you do a thorough diagnosis on the problem also repair it. I like your professionalism. Always enjoy a hot cup of Joe with your video.
I'm a night worker. So I always enjoy his vids right after work so it's like a perfect ending of a work day.
I've owned 2 C-8 Civics over the last 5 years! I love seeing you work on 'my' car! Also, I learned that my steering wheel is telescoping. . .
That's funny, how long have you owned your car? I'm just curious, thanks ..
Cool vid, especially the dissection at the end. I love opening things up to see how they work. Understand if you don't generally do that, but I think for the sake of the vids, its good to see inside these components that have failed. Esp if it just takes 5 mins to get into it like this one did. Fascinating to see the results of switch arcing. Starters carry a lot of current when cranking, and this is the result of those switches wearing out with time. Nice one, Ray :)
Always love how despite your limited time at times, you still manage to take the time to explain stuff to us. That takes some real talent.
The heavy current is handled by a relay, not the switch. That switch might start the car a handful of times before burning out otherwise.
Ahh I mis-spoke.
There's still current to some degree there though, which is why we get the result we saw. That's all I was saying there.
...Appreciate the teardown of faulty switch. good info!
Yeah, that's confirmation of the fault and assures the repair!
Knowledgeable we mostly love honda civic in Philippines 🇵🇭 glad I know now God bless ❤
Morning Ray wife unit the boys started watch video oh put on hold got myself coffee ☕️ no cream or sugar finish watching awesome and as always you all be safe 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Seen that problem usually when they put a lot of crap on their key chain.
Tilt wheels used to have a similar problem .
Your dexterity and cinematography are second to none.👍
There is no way to tell just how many times that ignition was turned and cranked in it's life. To last a long time like things like that ignition do is really an amazing feat of engineering and design. So cool how something so small is really something major when it comes to autos. Yall take care down that way. Cheers.
Well done Ray! Used the power of logic throughout. The copper coloured pressed metal part in the switch will either be phophor bronze or beryllium copper. Pure copper would be too soft. Don't sand or grind beryllium copper parts as the dust if inhaled is toxic.
Bet the switch module cost a LOT less than the new starter motor!
That's why proper diagnosis is essential to not only a satisfied customer, but also treating them with integrity. Replacing parts that didn't need replacement because you were too inept or lazy to properly diagnose the real problem is wasteful as a DIYer, and completely unethical as a service provider. Ray is one of the few who really understand diagnosis, it seems.
Great Evidence uncovering proof of defected part. 👍👍👍
Once the pitting and burning starts on electrical contacts, it is a matter of time when the component fails - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, bit it will fail. The pitting causes a high resistance which causes more heat, more pitting and more burring. Best case scenario the item stops working, worse case scenario a fire starts. Good pick-up Ray.
Accurate diagnosis and skillful fix. Another good job Ray.
Ray I had the same problem with my 99 Honda Accord that I bought new when it got about 78 years old know it was over 8 years old I went through three starters before I gave the cards a charity motors got a big tax deduction because it wouldn't give me enough trade in boy that was the greatest car ever owned 4-cylinder but loaded.😂❤ good show as usual keep up the great work Ray. Mile marker Mikey Trenton Michigan
Parts availability is a great data point.
Interesting one I ran across years ago rebuilding a 91 4Runner was more price based. I wanted to replace the right front fender because it was pretty dinged up, and it was priced almost $100 more than the driver side despite being essentially identical.
Apparently folks that off-road are WAY more likely to bang the passenger side up, so they charge more for that part!
That makes sense Ray. The parts that are bought the most is usually the part that has the highest failure rate. 👍
Seems funny that Ray praises the design as neat, when so many switches fail that every parts store has replacements in stock.
That is a logical disconnect to me.
@@BillMalcolm-tn3kqthat's not a logical disconnect. The car can be neat, even if the key switch is gone.
@ZSAZSS09 Did you watch the video? Ray specifically said after removing about four springs from the switch. "Good job, Honda". Is a switch a car?
@@BillMalcolm-tn3kq That's because they last long enough to see a wear item like a switch fail. It's a simple, readily replaced component, and it doesn't need to last an eternity.
@Monkeh616 Ah, I see. That explains everything, you think. But the wear item known as the engine hasn't failed. I've had three friends with that era Civic, so am not exactly unfamiliar with the breed. I just laugh at all the gatekeepers who leap out of the woodwork to defend Honda come what may. The illogic is outstanding. Rainman's Odyssey has been a paragon of reliability and virtue, right?
My 89 accord lx, 91 accord ex, and 98 civic ex are the only cars I've ever had that i could not kill! The 89 had a blown head gasket and still drove for years until I sold it!
well now since my daily is the same color 07 civic with 280k on the clock is my daily commute (mine is the two door with a 5 speed) this is some handy info to be on the lookout for and definatly will be a easy fix if needed in the future
Looked at a newer civic (22) for my daughter. Ended up going with a 22 camry an really what made my mind up on it was the camry is AWD. Up here in ohio that helps alot in the snow.
Excellent Job Ray. As an Electronic Engineer you're spot-on indeed.
Hey Ray, that was interesting to see the inside of that switch. Thanks for tearing it apart to show us and yes, it is a very clever design. Cheers!
Great video. Those contacts I can relate to. Never ever try to fix them cause they migth work for a while then dies again. Most of the money on these jobs is being spent on assembly-disasembly time, not on parts. It is never worth it.
Hear, hear!
I've been watching for quite a while now but have no complaints at all. Reading the comments, I'm starting to feel left out having nothing to complain about. Yeah, so I'm going to need you to step up your game so I can complain too. 😆 Good show, keep up the awesome work. Happy New Year to you and your lovely wife unit.
That Civic is just getting warmed up at 188000 miles! I had a similar intermittent ignition switch on my 2010 Focus.
I shoot my videos with iPhones and was thinking of switching to GoPro. This video has convinced me to save my money. Thanks. BTW, they do make wireless microphones for iPhones
Can't find the hole? 😮
The autopsy at the end was great.🏆
Great video! I like it when you perform an autopsy on parts. My wife used to own the exact same model car, even down to the color. It was a good little car.
I salute you for finding that problem. Almost LOLd when you found the screw on the magnet; I once spent half an hour looking for a missing nut, then I found it was stuck to the magnet of my drop light.
Had the same problem in my VW golf back in the day. The intermittent starter not starting wasn't so bad but when on christmas eve on our visit to the graveyard my headlights stopped working because of the same broken part wasn't fun. Driving country roads in pitch black without driving lights was quite bad. The workaround for this until I finally got the part swapped was rubberbanding the relay closed and ripping it out when not driving.
Awesome video. Got one of these and can cause a buzz when the key turn isn't a solid twist. Will be picking up the part for the inevitable "some day". Plus you showed us what not to break.
(but at the shade tree level, I'll disconnect the battery)
Disconnecting the battery is always a good precaution, but not needed for this because you're not exposing anything which can cause issues.
You can also get "finger ratchets" that have no handles for closer quarter combat where you've got no room or extremely less room to swing a normal ratchet with a handle.
Excessive oxidisation creating a skin of corrosion that was acting like an electron insulator 😆 🤣 😂
Nice catch there Ray, no fumbles to be seen there 👍 👌
They are only good for fastners that don't require excessive torque as they have a larger circumference than the fasteners or are good running fastners in or out quickly as they are reversible. 👍 👌
71st! T.G.I.F. Ray,Lauren,Dave,and Justin. I always learn something from your videos. Would never try to do most if not all of them. Want to be able to drive my vehicles after the fix, and if I tried to fix them, I would not. Not a repair kind of guy. Wish I was, but no. Roger in Pierre South Dakota
Ray your phone is a lot better than the go pro my understanding is go pro really went downhill after the 9 series
Nice educational video, we all have an ignition switch in our car! Thanks Ray
Earlier Ford Escapes and Mazda Tributes are notorious for this issue. Good catch Ray! Those 2 dogs of yours are so dam cute!🇨🇦
DAMN, just FYI. (sorry, I picked up this annoying habit of correcting misspelled words from my pretentious ex-wife. So I do apologize)..
I had the hybrid version of the civic, the only thing that gave me sticker shock was when I thought it might have had a coil issue. That little 4 cylinder had 8 spark plugs, so 8 coils at $100+ for oem and $200 from honda EACH!
Great job Ray. I like when you show the point of failure because it gives us a complete beginning to end of what it’s doing and WHY it’s doing it.
I know you hear this a whole lot so here's once more, you are an excellent teacher, Clear concise Awesomeness!!
Thanks!
Great info! I own one of those exact same car! I put a starter on a year or two ago (a pain) and I now have additional info if starting becomes a problem again! Thanks Ray!
Admit it, your go pro was attached to an empty can of brake cleaner wasn’t.
LOL
Nice to see you using experience and logic to bypass a lengthy, complicated electrical diagnosis to convince you to fire a mini parts canon at this problem. It was a calculated risk that was the right call. I’m afraid Eric O would still be pulling up diagrams and hooking up oscilloscopes to confirm malfunction’s cause, while charging his customer extra for it.
You are absolutly correct. I had a fuel pump die and get replaced and all was then good until hours later when the crank no start symptom came back. The mobile tech that did the pump came out and swapped the AC replay and starter relay. voila!
Having those small rachets with screwdriver bits are a life saver especially when you don't have anyplace to work on cars besides your driveway
Always nice to see Lauren.
Good diag job Ray.
Thanks Ray for making us a more informed consumer.
One nice thing about this style ignition and starter switch, the replacement switches are no expensive, and can easily be changed by the home mechanic. I changed a similar switches in and old Subaru as well. 20 to 25 years of regular use is about all they can handle.
Thanks for taking that switch apart… I was curious to see what was in there, and it was pretty much what I expected.
For the screws holding the plastic clamshell around the steering wheel column, turn the screw CCW (anticlockwise) to begin the reassembly process, usually about 3/4 of a turn. This will put the screw back in the original threads and not weaken or strip the screw hole.
1:00 what a timing to make that statement.
lol that deer in the head lights look, she had no idea what she just walked into 😂
It was funny, but then again, it wasn't the first time he'd said that, at least to himself. When you're in the market for a wife unit, there comes a point where you realize, "There it is!" LOL.....I'm happy for them. They seem really good for each other.
Highly recommend RØDE lavalier mics if you shop for a replacement. They're a bit pricey, but they're also high quality.
My son had one of these and put over 200K on it with minimal issues. It was a great car as he wasn't terribly fastidious with both repairs and maintenance.
It must be a common problem with the ignition switch, if the parts stores have several in stock. They wouldn't carry a bunch in inventory, if they weren't selling them.
Good call on the repair, because everyone seems to blame the starter, and don't even think about the switch that turns the starter on.
I had a landrover freelander like this once, and I think the ignition switch was at fault; a new one put it right. thanks for the very informative video
One of the last good simple Civic's that were reliable. I mean not 1990's reliable but as good as a "modern" could get.
But Ray, remember.... You love your job so much you do it twice 😂😂😂😂. Stop breaking GoPros.
My roommate has one of these with almost 360k on it. Original engine and trans. Also has this buzzing issue. Maybe I'll fix it. Haha.
Nice disection ray really showed the problem curious ray strikes again
It's cool when you dissect failed parts t5o show us. Very informative.
This reminds me of one tool i have been looking at buying... a 1/4 in flex shaft. Saw one on another tubers video and it looked super useful.
You know Ray, if you were to get a Sony, Canon or even a Panasonic camcorder, you would get extreme zoom, the use of external audio and much more. They're extremely light weight and, in 1080p, very cheap. (Like $250.00 range). Oh, and video cameras can record as long as you have power and space. No time limits.
Ray is back !!! Lite shenanigans and lots of learning 👊🏻
Personally I think the video quality is better than the GoPro. As always, excellent content thanks you.
Does it mean I've watched to many videos, when Ray drops things I'm over here saying, "gravity"
This is a pretty common problem on Rover vehicles, which also used the Honda type ignition switch.
Oh a stick with the phone for recording, as the picture is much clearer, and doesn't have the GoPro fish eye image distortion. The audio sounds more natural too.
I had the same issue with the same vehicle intermittently starting and buzzing.
Replaced it myself.
Thanks Ray very interesting tear down of the switch and its failure mode.
I have one of those tools from WiHa. It has all kinds of security bits as well. Fantastic tool.
My wife drives one of these with 140000 miles on it. Lovely car.
I have seen equal number of Honda with bad ignition switched and bad main relays cause that. The main relay is behind the glove box in that one. If You giggle the key and it starts or dies or won't restart sometimes, it is the ignition switch. Those starters are not the easiest ones to do, especially up north where the exhaust manifold bolts are rusted on.
Excellent job with the ignition repair 👍
The threw it on the ground quick cut was hilarious dude you got me
The ol' 1.great lives for another 250k miles!
I had a 2008 Civic in that same color. Was a great car for a single person.
Helped a friend out with an ignition lock cylinder problem on their 96 Honda Accord with 700,000km , and that specialty single use bolt was a *nightmare*. Pricey too!
They literally had to have a passenger with them all the time just to hold the key in the start position or it would turn off 🤣
434,959.8 miles? Holy heck..
@patrickchavez3848 It ran surprisingly well given the miles! Even better after some new plugs, snake oil and an oil change 😂
Had the same with an Opel Corsa. Ignition switch and the lock cylinder were very cheap, plus very easy to install after watching a video or three. Just had the hardest part being the removal of the security module, and to swap the chip to the new key. Now to code in a spare module, so the second key can work, and also get a new remote module programmed in so there is now a spare key, and to also delete all other remotes for safety.
Thank you for the educational content, I am learning so much and understanding so much more.
Also learning to not backseat diagnose or comment until the end, because you show the answers 99% of the time.
Though still curious as to if you removed that thermometer from the car ages ago
I can see the dissection is part of the diagnosis. Also the part where some parts are on stock and others aren't.
Good day to you Ray and Happy New Year. I am always impressed with your collection of tools. As a DIYer, I am so jealous. Always watch your videos and I always learn something new, except for the oil changes. LOL!!!😂
Phone worked pretty well IMO. Good autopsy. I had to replace the switch on my Focus twice, but it was because the interface between the switch and the driver was cheap plastic that just went to full round after 5-6 years. Also the driver bar was at least 50% smaller than the Honda's and eventually snapped after 15 years. Junk.
Similar problem with 1990 Mazda B2000 truck. No switch at local parts store or upullit, so starter function was relocated to a push button, on the dash, retro 1950’s pick up
I just spent 3 days replacing a clutch on an 07 Civic. Honda charges $2100 for the labor and I agree with that number lol.
best voice over narrator
Great video, thanks so much for taking along and thanks for taking the switch apart and showing why the switch failed. For people that aren't electrically wired it is good to see it. Can you please give me some more info on that awesome double end ratchet? Very Cool
Anytime I break a daily used tool because of my rage. That's my line.
"And I threw it on the ground!" 😂😂
I've had a few of them , they are bullet proof 👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧