Body Language Analyst REACTS to John and Patsy Ramsey's MIXED Body Langauge | Faces Episode 28
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THE RAMSEY CASE: / @theramseycase
The world lost the young pageant winner, JonBenet Ramsey, on the 25th of December in 1996. A world of mystery surrounded her passing, and 24 years later, theories are running rampant. Multiple suspects have been unearthed and cleared, leaving anyone interested with few answers and even less certainty. Per popular request, I am analyzing the first-ever interview of John and Patsy Ramsey that was done a mere 7 days after the incident. Enjoy.
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So I dunno y'all, when I can't find my CAT I search the entire house for him. Like even idiot places I know he's not like the effing trash can and fridge. I will never understand how they just missed the basement.
Good point
Years back my 6 year old son hid in our 3 bed house. We looked for him everywhere more than twice. As I picked up the phone to ring police, I caught a glimse of him, hiding down behind the cupboard with the tv on. I had looked twice behind it and he was not there. He didn,t make a sound. I was frantic and my other son was looking everywhere too. You immediately search franticly just everywhere over and over. It's a parents job.
They could have done a better job hiding their lack of concern, by not finding her in the very first room they looked in.
And why the heck did the police let the FAMILY search the house UNsupervised, namely John, who totally contaminated the crime scene which was his intent. Give me a break. Did any of the police actually graduate the academy in Boulder or were they given a pass?
It was all an act 🎬 to cover up what Burke did. He was told to stay in his room during the investigation. He didn't ask about his sister because he knew exactly what happened to her.
When I found out that John Ramsey had a connection to Jeffrey Epstein, it told me all I needed to know.
That is horrifying if true. I hadn't heard that.
I just made a comment above this one having not seen yours nor did I know the connection to Jeffery Epstein..intuition told me it was a sex actions gone wrong and then covered up! They should check Jeffery Epstein handwriting
This supports my original opinion... so sad.
So typical.
Omg seriously?? I didn't know that!! Then right there is the answer.
That just gave me chills; I had no idea.
I think it needs to be said that the fact that Patsy is showing genuine emotion does not make her innocent. Her daughter is, after all, dead. No matter who did it, she’s gone. Even if it was an accident or someone in the family, she could still mourn the loss of her daughter WHILE ALSO covering up for the guilty party.
Exactly. I believe it was an accident and she has remorse , shame, she is embarrassed, and she loved and genuinely misses her Daughter. The tears are because also because she had to make a horrific decision, I believe, to protect her Son.
As a one time drug addict I can vouch for the fact that I felt by far the most guilt, remorse, shame, regret, when I was doped up! The same rule applies to alcoholics. I believe Patsy and John are smart enough to know she wouldn't come across as her real cold and calculated self if doped up!!!
#TheGoverningAntibody #SatiricalStevenSays
Sad her beauty pageant mom run is over. She’s back to staring out the window all day, doped up off John’s money, and spending the rest of her social life defending the killer.
Hummm if it was her husband I'd think she put him in but being her son possibly not ,had you said that im banking on its actually the son..all in all id be a mess I'd never be the same again if i lost a child it unbearable. ..but for the love god as a mum id truly hope no one in the family was as evil to hurt a lil girl.
In a situation like that she'd be much more fearful of being perceived as guilty than she would be sad for her daughters loss.
She doesn't seem like the kind of person who would defend her husband's murder of her daughter. Unless you think Burke killed her which is ridiculous. She'd turn john in if she knew he did it.
When she says keep your babies close to you, she is looking straight ahead, when she says that someone is out there, she looks down, because she knows that is not true; she does wish she kept Jonbenet close to her so that her husband wouldn't do this, but she had no idea he would- now she's trying to salvage a terrible situation, probably under threat from her husband.
Also she shakes her head as if it's not true, grits her teeth as if she doesn't want to say it which would mean it's a pre-planned phrase, and to top it all off john mouths the words along with her and then again checks the reaction of the interviewer.
@@MisterMooster I think john killed her
The fact that she still cries while she's THAT sedated means she's feeling some intense sadness. He looks like they're interviewing him about a missing sock.
His behaviour is one of the oddest things I've seen. If anything he looks excited. Bouncing up and down on the coach at times. 👀🤯
Lmfao on the coach 🤣
NOT A SOCK 😭😭😭
A MISSING SOCK AHAHAHAHHAA I CAN'T😭😭😭😂😂😂
Oh my gosh I agree. Patsy was soooooo fucked up on pills
At the end of the day in my opinion it looks like Patsys handwriting. But I don’t think she killed her, I think she’s covering for who did. Father or brother.
I think that’s quite likely, would also explain her being partially guilty, but still feeling distressed and sad about the death
Ha: I just don't see how anyone could copy her style that closely for 2 1/2 pages. Also the phrase "John, don't try to grow a brain" is exactly what a wife would say to a husband.
@@KB4QAA that’s exactly my point she wrote the letter but I’m not convinced she killed her
When I was Burke's age, I used to trace my mother's handwriting to fake notes when I didn't do my homework. They honestly looked legit. The silly spelling mistakes would point to a bright 9 year old, IMO. I'd say Burke wrote it as well as murdering JonBenet.
Patsy was having an affair with a neighbor.... he visited after the family went to bed.
It's been suggested the child found them together and tried to stop her from going to get her daddy. Accidentally killed her so they staged it.
Patsy was ambidextrous.
From day one, I have always felt that John Rambsey knew what exactly what happened to his daughter. Twenty four years later….I still feel that way.
Evidence doesn't care how you 'feel'. Hopefully you never sit on a jury...people like you is the reason there are innocent people in prison.
@@darkhorse9472 I was just getting ready to type same exact thing! God help us this is why so many ppl are being exonerated now after 20-30 years in prison for wrongful convictions
@Esha
Most people don't research the actual evidence in this case...they watch videos, or read bs put out by television shows, and money-making tabloids. There is zero evidence any of the Ramseys were involved in the heinous torture, beating, sexual assault, and murder of JonBenet. There just isn't. There is, on the other hand, over 200 pieces of evidence of an intruder/s.. A sack containing a heavy rope found on the bed in a spare bedroom across from JonBenet's, the tape used to cover JonBenet's mouth and nylon rope used to fashion the garrote and tie her hands and wrists that cannot be sourced to the Ramsey home, the stun-gun used on JonBenet (the Ramseys did not own a stun-gun), Hi-Tech boot prints found next to her body (the Ramseys did not own Hi-Tech boots), the piece of paint brush used to sexually assault JonBenet that was never found (murderers typically keep trophies from their victims to relive their sexual fantasies). The male DNA found in JonBenet's underwear, mixed with her blood, under her fingernails, and on both sides of her leggings, from being pulled down, and then back up. (which has been entered in CODIS), an unknown public hair found on the blanket on her body, the broken/open window in the basement showing a disturbance of leaves and foam peanuts beneath it, along with a suitcase below it, containing fibres of JonBenet's clothes...indicating someone had put her in that suitcase and tried to get her out that window. The ransom note, which did not match any Ramseys's handwriting. The list goes on....
@@darkhorse9472 amen. His comment is ridiculous
@Esha
You're welcome. Are you familiar with Detective Lou Smit? The Boulder DA's office brought him in from retirement to work the Ramsey case. His record was impeccable. He solved over 200 cases, and never lost one. He had experience as a detective working homicide, he worked in the coroner's office, and worked for the District Attorney's Office. The Boulder Police Dept., on the other hand, had little to no experience with homicides. From Day 1, they targeted JonBenet's parents, and never looked at the overwhelming evidence of an intruder. They had their minds made up. Det. Lou Smit, after reviewing the evidence, was convinced it was exactly what it seemed. A kidnapping gone wrong. One week before JonBenet's murder, there was an article in the newspaper about how John Ramsey's company had hit over $1 billion in sales. The Ramseys were multi-millionaires. Obviously a target for a kidnapping. He believed the kidnapper entered the Ramsey home while they were at a friend's house celebrating Christmas, wrote the ransom note, and waited for them to come home. The Ramsey home was massive, and had 4 floors, JonBenet and Burke being on the second floor from the basement. There was evidence that he was already upstairs on her floor. He stun-gunned JonBenet, duct-taped her mouth, took her downstairs where he attempted to get her out of the house in the suitcase. Something went wrong with his plan.. so he did what he wanted, brutally killed her, and went out the basement window the way he came in, which criminals do.
Sadly, Det. Lou Smit passed away before he could solve the case...his family is still pursuing the killer, as they have all his evidence and his notes. They have collected DNA from possible suspects. They do this as they promised Lou they wouldnt give up his fight...on their own time, and dime.
As Patsy said, the note was found on a back set of stairs that was family trafficked and she was the first one always up. So it’s kind of like the note was meant for her to find. And also, if my child was missing, the first thing I would do is comb over every inch of my home and the grounds, police en route, which they didn’t do.
What part of Ransom Note do you Not understand? FYI - it was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies who lived close by - for Help. Officer French arrived within 6 minutes of the Start of that 911 call, Patsy had just got off the phone, John was running around trying to find where someone got in. French had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then John Fernie arrived & officer Veitch. People do what the cops Tell them Do, they presume the cops know what they're doing. The Ramseys were to find out that the keystone cops did Not.
BTW - the Ramseys lived in a Huge 4 storey Mansion, not a 3 bedroom ranch home.
I was replying to heidi with the basic Facts of what happened, it's Not my problem that you can't comprehend the English language@@CoM-il2bp
@@bethryan9077I am a parent, and there is no way I wouldn’t run through every inch of my home numerous times until the police got there, even opening cupboards to find my young child. It took the police officer being there, and asking if they walked through the entire house, for John and his friend to do so. SUS!
@@October_JennJenn Obviously you can't read very well &/or have poor comprehension skills. Obviously you too don't know what a Ransom Note is. Why in the hell would the child be in a fn Cupboard? How old are you? 10? Lovey, a Normal parent would call the cops Immediately, the child could still be in a Car, heading wherever, time is of the essence. omg, you kids are too much, deary, the 911 call was before 6 A.M., JB was found After 1 P.M. You kids know Nothing about this case & like the keystone cops, you don't have the brain cells to handle True crime. BTW - 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning. Your 'police officer' was Linda Arndt & she didn't get there til 8.10 a.m., arriving With detective Patterson. More than one cop went down the basement that morning at different times, tasked with checking entry & exit points, they Failed at that job & the full of the same old False information shitshows make sure that Fact is also Not Talked About.
Now, just go back to Sleep.
It's truly mind boggling how so inept the Boulder police department is. They blew this case so badly, to the point of making it unsolvable.
Maybe on purpose? Kind of hard to believe that a whole group of grown and trained adults could be that useless by accident, especially in such a high profile case - a white 6 year old from a wealthy and prestigious family murdered and molested in a mysterious way. Immediately they would see how huge this would be, they should have treated it with that level of commitment - unless they were told not to.
It didnt help that the Ramseys contaminated the fuck out of the crime scene
@@Musicanimedork01 Maybe on purpose? If I was to compromise the crime scene to make it harder for the police I would have done exactly the same .😳
The case is only legally not solvable, as in the real killer will never get convicted unless he'll confess to it and even then I doubt he'll sit behind bars. The parents did one hell of a good job with contaminating everything and lawyering up and refusing to talk to the police or help in pretty much any way. They made themselves look even more suspicious than they already were. Honestly, a three page long ransom note? Misspelling basic words? There was so much wrong with the ransom note and the (staged) crime scene. But hey, at least their psychopathic son (who already was in a violent incident before his sister's death) is still roaming free... 🤦🏼♀️
it was a police coverup of a pedophile ring with some members in law enforcement
Mr. Ramsey knew she was in the basement because he put her there. This is why he took a friend with him, so they could find her together, making him look innocent.
I believe that too 👍
@No One They sold their daughter, nothing to do with the son
@No One Watch eyes wide shut, Stanley Kubrick was trying to tell the public about these evil people.
Exactly and Patsy beat her because She wet the bed they both GUILTY
No One The brother Burke hit JonBennet with something when angry on one ocassion, it was in a docu. Also the kid is super creepy and detached then and as an adult
I lived in Denver when this happened. The Grand Jury voted to indict the parents, but the sniveling, coward of a district attorney, Alex Hunter was too afraid to charge them. Disgusting!
Are you aware no DNA from JB fingernails an underpants was linked to John Patsy or Burke. That is clearly why it went to trial an neighbor heard a loud scream didn't call police an police was clueless the house was a crime scene mingle with family an friends forensics mixed an ruined. Also detective Thomas was sued for his joke book of blame on family he lost all his book royalty money.
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He obviously knew they didn't have any evidence to convict ..
@@kellyray3023 No. He was good friends with John and blocked other processes as well that would point to the family being guilty.
I agree, except for the afraid part. He wasn't afraid, he was covering for his buddy, and possibly paid off but I don't have evidence of any financial gain.
I think John looked shocked when he thought she spilled the beans about it not being a real kidnapping.
Her exact words as a retort - "sounds like a kidnapping to me". Go get your ears checked. BTW - those with a hateful Biased attitude, have a Very biased Perception, don't they deary.
@@bethryan9077that's what I hear, why doesn't this guy hear it as well .
@@bethryan9077she shook her head no when she said that if she agreed it was a kidnapping she would be shaking her head yes
@@bethryan9077why are they talking to CNN and not police lol. This is only a week after, it is not even enough time for them to have come up with the excuse they've been treated unfairly, at this point they are the ones choosing not to cooperate. If you can't admit that there's at least a chance they are lying, then you're the biased one.
@@rsdenimblues8342You nod your head in agreement. And shake your head in disagreement.
I just don’t see how any parent can be interviewed by the media only a week after their little girl was found murdered? I would be completely catatonic.
Did you notice how perfect she looked? I would have noticeably aged 20 years if my child had been murdered!!! Makeup can't cover That up!!!
Me2
I agree, I would be completely, madly insane... I don't know how I would come across to the rest of the world but it wouldn't be pretty
That’s because you have emotional capacity. I would conclude that these people do not.
She is!
Who writes a ransom note about a victim they leave behind?
Exactly
To be honest that's part of why I think it was the brother. I mean I'm not a forensic handwriting analyst, but I think it tracks that a 9 year old would write a ransom note for a huge amount of money even though the victim is still in the house. Doesn't make much sense for an allegedly smart adult to do that.
The ransom note was written ahead of the crime. He didn't intend to leave her behind. He had hours in the house alone while the family was at the party.
A father who didn't want the police called until after he got rid of the daughter he murdered. A father who would taken Patsy and Burke to a "safe place" outside the home while he finished staging the kidnapping he began staging the night before, but who had to deftly "un-stage" once Patsy foiled his plan. In short, to answer your question directly, John Ramsey does!
The whole thing is just insane. One would assume that the reason JB was found inside the house would be accidental (meant to kidnap, but something unexpected happened), but why would someone come in and write a three page ransom letter on a notepad from the house including a demand for such a weird amount? Not a very smart kidnapper.
i was a private investigator for 33 years until i retired in 2020 and to me at least the intruder theory just doesn't add up for the following reasons. 1st if you are breaking in to a house to kidnp a child you are going to have a pre written ransom note staying around the parents home to write a note doesn't make much sense the kidnappers would want to get in and get out as quickly as possible. 2 you are going to want to grab the child and get her out of the house asap again get in and out as quickly has possible they are not going to take her to the basement to molest her first 3rd you are not going to kill the child rule one in a kidnapping a dead child brings no ransom. 4th why would the kidnapper only ask for 118 k the victims father is a billionaire it would seem to me that the kidnapper would ask for millions of dollars instead of 118 k.
exactly! parents know what happened !!! and this mother knows!
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys.
The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side.
The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone.
A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink.
The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs.
The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory.
They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report.
You kids can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the beginning, the middle & the end. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many other Ignorant Ramsey bashers, True crime is clearly Way over your head, as it was for Many keystone cops who Pretended they were working this case.
You & your like watch a TV interview here & there &/or a Biased TV show or two & for some bizarre reason, you actually believe that You know Everything. People like You are the bane of society, make sure you’re Never on a jury
“No, Patsy writes neat, this is sloppy” If she were in distress and anxious, her hands could have been shaking and wrote it sloppy just from her own nerves freaking out.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child. BTW - Burke, was Never even a suspect.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
She was ambidextrous so she wrote it in her weaker hand to trick people
It also starts off shaky and sad, and ends fine and clear with exclamation points that she used in her personal writing. Also, she writes 'y' differently depending if its the beginning or end of a word, exactly as it appears in the ransom note.
How convenient that the note was left on "the back stairway" so that Patsy could find it. What outsider would even know about that stairway?
What outsider would know about the wine cellar where she was found? Inside job!
and what kidnapper would sit down for 20+ minutes to write out a ransom note, the note pad from inside the house. i believe the DNA evidence we were told that was not from a ramsey family member was a lie .. compromised crime scene, there was no break in. The 911 call, weird... too much BS
@@JohnSmith-bn7bl and then leaves the kid in the house when asking for money claiming they have her? ehm..
@@JohnSmith-bn7bl The DNA evidence that was found in Jonbenet's underwear can be completely thrown out. They decided it was most likely from touch DNA from when the underwear was made in the factory at the time of manufacturing. They did the same exact testing on a pack of new unopened underwear to see if it's possible to collect DNA and they were able to collect touch DNA from the worker who made that underwear in the factory. As far as I'm concerned the DNA from her underwear is useless and the family is still most likely guilty in her death.
@@heresjohnny5307 I never heard it was Proven to the actual person. I thought that same DNA was also on her pajama bottoms around the waistband area. So much is out there one doesn't know what to believe.
Patsy is intentionally deflecting and doesn’t answer questions clearly. She knows more than she’s saying. John is a classic narcissist who is thinking about how his daughter made HIM feel
Good point! Didn't think of that when they were being interviewed and he said that! INSANE!
I agree .
Agreed. Classic narcissist .
One day After the murder the Ramsey's lawyered up leaving no doubt
She was deflecting....she was drugged up on benzo's and anti-depressants! Another "fact" in evidence. John was sober as a Judge, and yes, he is a narcissist too, as anyone sexually abusing their six year old daughter would have to be, I suppose.
Correction, she was found on December 26th, not the 25th. Many find it suspicious that the parents used the 25th as her date of death, saying they know that's the day she died.
John wanted that date so nobody would forget.
@@bethryan9077 shut up and stop replying to every comment who doesn’t have the same theory as you, you don’t freaking know either, just a loud hypocrite.
@@bethryan9077 that makes no sense. 1) Her date of death would be 12/26/96 on the death certificate. Normal people don't just choose any date they want to for the death date that goes on the tombstone! Makes the parents look suspicious. 2) Who's going to forget? The public has been obsessed with this case since the day it was reported. No one will forget the brutal murder of a beautiful little girl at Christmastime.
@@Bugiddle The 25th was Christmas Day, that's the Point her father was making. Here's the issue about your First comment - if the date on the tombstone Was the 26th, you Ignorant people would Still say that they 'knew what date she died'. Doh.
Next, the cops were trying to withhold her body for burial, the parents did Not Know what the medical examiner even Stated when they buried her in Atlanta one week later & it's a Fact that the ME did Not ever give a Time of death. Due to advancements in forensics, it is now Known that JB's death was between 1 a.m. & 6 a.m., on the 26th. Due to expert Investigations, it is now Known that JB was strangled to death in the basement laundry when Patsy was calling 911. The Two severe skull fractures occurred just After that & were also preplanned if the cops were called.
You say that 'normal' people don't just choose any date they want for the death date that goes on the tombstone. Jeez, LMAO. How old are you? 10?
Why don't you have a Think about how many people are found deceased Days, Weeks, Months later & Normal people put whatever Date that They CHOOSE to put, many put the date the person went Missing. Now, just go back to Sleep.
I don’t believe the theory that Patsy lost her temper Christmas night. Yes they have a busy schedule, people are usually pretty happy on Christmas. Especially if you have kids, all the toys you’ve bought, snuck in, and wrapped, finally getting to see their joy. Christmas spirit just hits different for everyone, unless you’re a Scrooge. I can tell by her Christmas decorations inside and outside the house, and her Christmas colored outfits, trees in every room, she definitely loved Christmas and celebrating it. Just why Christmas night out of any other night? I don’t think Patsy killed her but I do think she helped cover it up. The note is 100% her handwriting.
Ever seen the interview with the female cop that was first on scene? She swears John did it. It's heavily implied, at least.
Do you have a link for that? Or is it something I can just Google?
@@JennaBomb th-cam.com/video/-Aly2fPK-XE/w-d-xo.html
Me too
@@mk-cv9kx Thank you!
THANK YOU! This was a great video. She was extremely convincing and everything she said and her gut instincts.... I trust her based on this interview.
I believe a mother could feel extreme sorrow and grief, but also be guilty of participating to some degree in the cover up of her daughters murder. She certainly wrote the letter, that’s the one fact in the case no one will ever be able to change my mind on
Especially if it was your only other child who was responsible for that murder. I can absolutely buy that this mother is simultaneously distraught over the death of her daughter AND at the same time orchestrating a cover up to protect her other child. Now would she do that to protect her husband? I don't really buy that.
But wasn't her handwriting.
@@ayatollahlalalola I think that's the most likely scenario. This presenter makes some good points though!
@@agnisosaaranda6607 it very much was. You can watch videos of the interrogator asking her to recognize how similar the writing was
@@haleyt3754 Ooooh I didn't know that, Why did they concluded something different?
Jon bonnets autopsy showed chronic trauma to the vaginal area and experts agreed that she had been previously been sexually abused days before and for a longer history in general. That made me believe it was her father, he had access to her in the home on a long term regular basis. You can look this up on line, it’s easy to find. They asked the parents and they both denied she had been. Although she was treated for vaginal yeast infections multiple times as a young girl that is a red flag of sexual abuse.
The autopsy report did Not say that At All. Stop making up Lies about this 6 year old Child just because You have a twisted agenda. No 'expert' said that either. omg, she was Not 'treated for vaginal yeast infections' Either. You people are an absolute Disgrace. BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
I read it was urinary tract infections
@@helenesholidayhome3566chronic uti's is still (and yet another) red flag.
If you search up "Nancy Krebs" ...she was a child 3/4 years old when she was abused by John ramsey and she also knows the White's....
Nancy Krebs has made many statements to the Boulder Police Department about her sexual assaults and rapes. She also testified to being videotaped specifically for child pornography by John Ramsey
Wednesday, September 2, 2020
Freemason Connections in the JonBenet Ramsey murder:
In a previous post I did an expose of what Freemasonry really is, which is an organization that hides a Secret Society that has great influence in America and in the U.S. Government. In this post I want to make connections between Freemasonry and the JonBenet Ramsey murder.
Here are the obvious connections that come to me:
Nancy Krebs revealed that she saw Patsy Ramsey at a Rainbow Girls convention before Patsy was married to John Ramsey. Rainbow Girls is a Freemason organization that like the Freemasons itself pretends to be one thing on the surface but is in reality something else entirely. What it is in reality is involved in arranging marriages between Freemason men and the daughters of other Freemason men. Patsy was the daughter of a high ranking Freemason, Donald Paugh. John Ramsey was a Freemason. John Ramsey hooked up with Patsy Ramsey through Freemasonry connections involving the Rainbow Girls. The marriage between John and Patsy Ramsey is not a normal natural one but a Freemasonry arranged marriage between a Freemason and the daughter of another Freemason.
The family that John Ramsey comes from is also a Freemason family. John Ramsey's father, James Ramsey was a Freemason in Michigan that held important positions in the Government. John Ramsey is the son of an important Freemason.
Fleet White Jr., John's close friend from California who followed him to Boulder, CO is without doubt a Freemason. Both John Ramsey and Fleet White Jr were Freemasons in California before either of them moved to Colorado.
Fleet Russell White Sr, Fleet White Jr's father and the prime suspect in the death of JonBenet Ramsey was a high ranking Freemason. It is my belief that Fleet Russell White Sr. was a 33rd Degree Freemason. This is the primary reason he is being protected. This is the primary reason why almost all information about this man has been scrubbed from the internet. This is the primary reason for the cover up in the death of JBR. This is the primary reason why a fake crime scene was staged at the Ramsey Residence to hide where the crime happened (Fleet Russell White Sr's home) and the reason why all the focus has been primarily on the Ramseys. What is really being protected is not just Fleet Russell White Sr but Freemasonry itself, which is also known as the Illuminati.
Freemasonry is very deeply involved in this murder but the organization has gone to great trouble to conceal that fact. The Freemasonry infiltrated Boulder Police, Boulder DA, etc. has been fully involved in this cover up. The cover up of the truth exists to this very day
One important thing to note: When John went downstairs with Fleet White to look for JonBenet at 1 pm, Fleet later remarked that John had exclaimed he found her *before* turning on the light. Fleet had looked in there earlier in the day and it was pitch black. He couldn't find the light, so didn't turn it on. Fleet, John's very good friend, if not his best friend, then became suspicious of him and believed he had some part in her murder. Another comment: (sorry to be graphic) John carried JB upstairs while she was in full rigor mortis. It had to have been crystal clear based on that, and an odor of decay (since she'd been deceased about 12-14 hours at that point), that she was not alive anymore. Yet he asks Det. Arndt whether she's still alive?? Give.me.a.break!
Interesting !! And the latter part, no doubt. The RM set is a give away that she is and has been DEAD for hours. That he went right to that room...That he immediately removed the duct tape and contaminated any DNA evidence...That he immediately removes her body from there and brings it to the first floor...And let's not forget that when the 2hour window for the supposed Phone Call came and went NEITHER JR or PR remarked on it...I still side with original theory...Burke strikes her in the train room. She becomes immobile and he does not know the extent of his action initially. But then he uses the train track end to prod her to cause a reaction and/or to see if she's dead. I believe that the Maglite flashlight was used to light the way to basement or just a secondary safety light source.
@@MahlonEdwards This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor Child. At the very beginning, the media put out that JB was strangled to death & that was the Medical Examiner’s Report which was Correct. Who did the old switcheroo & for what reason? You have No idea what was going on behind the scenes with those lousy & ever deceitful Cops. The Authorities Plus Forensic Scientists, Proved Intruders Were In That House. One half of the public are still back in the Old Days, you all need to Catch Up, it is Not still 1996, 1997, 1998. Expert investigators Continued Working This Case. Soo many in the public domain are stuck in a friggin Time Warp. The other half watched that Bogus CBS TV Show & believed it all & now it’s the Kid brother Burke who bonked his little sister on the head over a piece of pineapple. LOL. The False & misleading information that is Still being portrayed on Most of the vids on Utube, is the Same False & Misleading information that media & books put out from Way Back Then. Wake Up America! Go do some Actual Research. Learn about the Actual evidence. You people have seen a few photos - pineapple in a bowl, flashlight on a bench, cord on a stick, writing on some pages. That is Not Evidence & most certainly Nothing to do with Evidence of Murder. Thank goodness you people didn't get to see More photos. LOL. FYI - there were Hundreds. Someone made a TV 'show' & told you all those items were evidence about the Ramseys & Burke, they Were Not. You have All been Hoodwinked. The ONLY piece that you people know about that Can be classed as evidence, is the notepad. THAT Was Used to Commit this crime. That Did come from the house. There is No Other Evidence From That House, that was Used To Commit This Crime. So what have you people got? Never ending stupid Crap that you all post, that Also has Nothing to do with the Murder of This Child. Access the autopsy photos that are online, they are shoulders up only. Have a good look at the burn on this child's cheek & the cord left embedded in her neck. There were also abrasions at the base of her neck from that cord, from earlier vile acts with that Bondage Device. That was Not a garrotte. Some Idiot thought that Word looked good for a Headline & in a Book, because of that One Photo. A garrotte has Two handles to work, Not One. Source the Photo of the Whole thing. What I have Already told about That, is the True Facts. The Authentic autopsy report States about the rust coloured marks at each temple & the same rust coloured marks on the back of one leg. Crime scene photos Show the rusty log grabber in the Cellar. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st page has the symbol/emblem for Boulder County- That flashlight was Not a weapon used & that did Not belong to the Ramseys. The authentic autopsy report Proves JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple, Forensics Proved That. Patsy did Not write that note, the Experts Proved That & the Writing was Not the Only factor that Proved That, She Did NOT.
Glenn Meyer took the notepad when he invited himself to their Xmas party on the 23rd, Simple as That. He organised this crime for Money, his 3 cohorts had their Own Ideas for Money. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for money & revenge. There are Many reasons why kidnapping has always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why that is a Fact. The plan - JB was Never to be taken from that basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called & they didn’t get that quick cash. They sure didn’t go to so much trouble & such high risk for Nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. True Crime for a great many, is way too much to Fathom when you don’t know about the True Facts.
The Ramseys were Officially Exonerated a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual Evidence & by Real experts, including Forensic Scientists. Just because you don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist.
The DNA from an unknown male has been in CODIS since 2003. Give the FBI a call. Clearly you people need to Learn what DNA is About. You have been watching TV for over 25 Years & you Choose to believe it All, as long as it’s Against - the Ramseys. You don’t care which one, Or, you decide on all 3. Yet, you don’t even know about ANY Actual Evidence. Shame on every one of You. This case - Has Never Been To Trial & so, You have Never Seen the Case Evidence. What sort of people say all they do about this Very Kind family, when you have Never even Seen Any of the Evidence about the Crime? Loads of you even Demean this murdered little girl also & since 2016, her 9 year old brother too, because of a Bogus TV ‘show’ that was put out by a pack of Con Artists. Burke was Never even a suspect & was interviewed That afternoon when he was still at the Whites by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, Nor did they know that was happening. Patterson spoke Publicly after that Bogus CBS ‘show’ & said Burke knew Nothing & was Very worried that his sister was still missing. None of you even Know what was Actually perpetrated upon JonBenet, nor do you Care to Find Out, because you’re all too busy spouting all your hateful Garbage about a case that You Know Nothing About & At a fine Upstanding family who Didn’t Do A Damn Thing & who, In Fact, were Victims.. Soo many down the threads, all sites, are an Absolute Disgrace & that’s just another True Fact.
A great many people say that 'it doesn't add up'. But, soo many people, Don't Know Any True Facts about - Anything & so, you are Not in the position to say - that it doesn't add up. All Ramseys were Proven Innocent with a mountain of Actual evidence & eventually by a bunch of Seasoned Experts, including Forensic Scientists. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw 'Facts In Evidence' which Included the autopsy photos, the photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence. . . Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. The vids are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both show Fake pages put up on the screen As If from police files, the Same False & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too. Soo many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are Highly Gullible & all those who are - Particularly Hateful.
@@MahlonEdwards You did Not see the body nor were you present. John did Not go straight to that room At All. He did what any Normal person would do & took the tape off the child's mouth. I can just imagine what all you braindead hateful Ignorant people would be saying if he left that tape on her mouth. You kids watch too many made up CSI shows & for some very strange reason you think you're crime scene experts, you are Not. He raced upstairs with his child hoping she could be Saved. BTW - detective Arndt moved the body to the living room After That. The note said Tomorrow. Doh. What the hell would 2 young kids be being in that Dungeon in the middle of the night? To say they were down there just shows the level of your intellect. Both kids had been up since 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & played all day & with friends & played half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car. She was only 6 Years Old, she did Not wake up after that. JB was choked more than once with that cord, JB was tasered more than once with an Air taser, JB was tortured with that Bondage Device, JB was strangled to death with the cord & the blows to her head were just After death. There was only 2 teaspoons of blood in the skull. If Either of the severe fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood. That is just one Scientific Fact about the Multiple injuries perpetuated upon this child. Burke's train tracks had Three steel pointy pins Not 2 blunt ones. That flashlight did Not belong to the Ramseys. How Ridiculous for you to believe that it was used to light the way down the basement when Burke knew where the light switches were. LMAO.
Why don't you just be honest & say that you watched that CBS show & believed it all. Doh.
FYI - All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of something called Evidence & by a bunch of Actual experts, who included Forensic Scientists. The DNA from the unknown male was several places on JB's person. The DNA has been in CODIS since 2003. The DNA Cleared all Ramseys & Loads of others including known pedos & then John Mark Karr who said he did it. The DNA Continued to clear suspects.
Go do some Research instead of making a fool of yourself.
Fleet was down the basement early that morning looking for JB but didn't tell anyone he did that. He later said that his little girl went missing x long before this event & after panicking & searching everywhere she was found hiding under her bed. So his story went. He was interviewed more than once at his own house & losing it by the time they all travelled to Atlanta for the funeral where he carried a gun & there was an incident at Patsy's parent's house because he wasn't coping. He was interviewed 17 times in total & went to the governor eventually to demand that a grand jury be convened to save his own ass. I feel sorry for him actually, he was not involved. Even when he & John went down the basement at 1 p.m., Fleet never said anything about the fact that he had been down the basement already. He later told the cops that when he was down there early that morning, he had opened the cellar door but it was pitch dark & he couldn't find the light switch & walked away. Being a coal cellar originally, that cement room had no windows & the light switch was in an odd place, one had to step inside, go to the left & it was on a cord type fixture that was on the other side of a part of the wall. Fleet never went through the train room door then. Cops were down the basement also early that morning at different times. Officer French tried to flip the latch down that was on the top part of the door jam of that cellar door, holding the door shut. Reichenbach pulled the door knob, it had a bit of give he said, he walked away. Neither of them flipped the latch down & they walked away. So, for this reason alone, made what Fleet said later, Very suspicious. Another cop was down the basement taking photos at a different time again. Fleet nor the cops went through the train room door & so to those windows where one was broken. The perps did Not enter or exit through that window, but that is not the point. The BPD have always kept That fact hidden from the public also - their cops didn’t know about those windows in the basement at all. It wasn't til that evening when the cops went back that they saw the broken window & that's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window & the suitcase under it was taken in the Night. John was also down the basement before 8 that morning because he knew someone could get in that window as he done in the summer when he locked himself out of the house & he had broken that window, reached in to unlock it & then got through there, as he had done before. Those windows couldn't be seen from ground level & that one was the cheapest to fix. The morning of the 26th, he saw that the window pane was the same, obviously hadn't been replaced because there was no glass around. He saw the suitcase under the window & thought that was odd because he had put it down the basement a while before Xmas, but not in that room, but with the other suitcases in a cupboard under the stairs. He had to get back upstairs in case the call came in, 8-10, though the note said tomorrow. He knew at least one cop had been down the basement & presumed he had checked out that window. The window was open a fraction & he locked it. When he first went to go in the train room door, there was a chair/stool against the door & a few things next to it, also against the door. He moved the chair to the side & went through. When he came out, he put the chair back as it was. The suitcase being flush against the wall under those windows was bothering him in those hours waiting for contact & then that window. Like most people, one trusts that the cops know what they're doing but he was to find out later that no cop had seen those windows, even when going around the outside with a flashlight. When Fleet told John that Arndt had said to get him to get John & go look around for anything out of place, John took Fleet to show him that window & suitcase & he was telling him how he had broken the window in the summer. They were on the floor looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. John noticed fresh paint off the keyhole of the one that used to be an elevator. That was a self locking door & if someone got in there & shut it they couldn't get out. Later on, the inside of the door was found to have been damaged, being 2 splits down the inside of it that wasn't like that before. When John got up off the floor & was walking out of the craft's room, which was what Patsy called it, Fleet moved the suitcase away from the wall & found one tiny piece of glass there & put it on top of the suitcase. That's Why the suitcase was in That position, re; the photo. John didn't see Fleet do that. When they went to enter the train room door, the chair was to the side in the hall & a small table was against the door with an Easter basket on top of it & a few other things, so gear was still blocking the door. The broken window was wide open & the scuff mark on the wall under it. The Facts Are - the perps put the gear there against the train room door to block it & the cops thought it was a cupboard & passed it by. When the cops left, the perps went back into that room & one scooted up to try & see where the cops were on that side of the house. He dropped the truckies' mirror that they used for seeing around corners & that can be seen in crime scene photos, against the wall, under the windows. Because the video footage was done in the night, the video had a light on the front & the round glass object there is shining. The perps put the chair/stool & items to the side of it but all against the train room door, to block it & then the table etc against the door when they exited the train room for the last time. The reason why the cops couldn't flip the latch down - because the perps had a device to hold the latch in place. The items used were picked up by the crime scene techs but it wasn't known Then what those items were about. From what John noticed that morning & at 1 p.m. & from what he was told later, he tried to tell the cops that someone must have been in the basement when the cops were down there, he was ignored, he was Right. The perps had already placed & moved Many things in the basement & all over the house. This led to a blame game, like a 3-ringed circus, in relation to Fleet, the housekeeper & both of them attributing some of the factors, back to both John & Patsy. One needs to know that cops ask questions, they don't say Why a question is asked & they don't get back to that person with any resolution about Whatever, so all parties were kept in the dark & so, forever suspicious of each other. Patsy & John did Not believe Fleet was involved but they had questions & Fleet had been losing it up to & including in Atlanta for the funeral & even after that. It was the Whites who stopped talking to the Ramseys, not the other way around. I feel very sorry for the White family also, they were caught up in the whole fiasco with cops who were not only totally incompetent for this very complex case, they were ever deceitful to cover up all that they did & Didn't do that morning & so, the BS began with false & misleading information being leaked to the media & the cops hiding evidence of an intruder, even from the DA.
That room used to be a coal cellar & that's why there was no window & why it was top to bottom cement. John Knew where the light switch was & one had to step Inside the room & go to the left to get to that. Once he had stepped out of the doorway, the lights from the basement shone In. A test was carried out & it was Proven that John could See the white blankets & JB basically in front of him. They in Fact became suspicious of Each Other. Arndt is a Proven Liar for a start & No time of death was Ever established so for You to say JB was deceased 12-14 hours at that point, is just something you read in a book of BS &/or what you heard somewhere. You are just somebody Else who knows Nothing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child.
Everyone thought that Patsey was the strangest one. I always thought that it is the father. That man just isn’t there; no normal emotions at all!
Have you seen his son ..on the dr Phil show? Straight up STRANGE
Agreed
Southern men are not renowned for their strong displays of emotion.
@@mirandavaughan5491 I would be strange too if someone broke into my house and raped and murdered my sister.
Most psychopaths can’t show emotions
Pageant Parents are weird.
Agreed
Understatement. I'm not okay with anyone who's okay with sexualizing their own child. ( please note I don't think all of the pageant parents sexualize their children but some of the costumes some of the parents put their kids in should be illegal.)
Yes!
@@gracehaven5459 I liked your comment but not for all of its content. I believe children should be able to be children, not wear heavy makeup, wigs, sexy clothes etc. IMHO, child pageants suck. From what I've seen personally, almost all parents put their little girls in sexy clothes and whatnot and parade them around. Sick!
@@h.borter5367 exactly she was beautiful tho if she got to live out her life I believe she would've made it big
The fact that they would deny its Patsy’s handwriting in their photo album makes them look entirely guilty.
Glenn Meyer wrote those lines under 3 photos only & in One photo album only so he could add some letters like in the note. Patsy wouldn't write that stupid crap under photos. There was Nothing to identify Who, what Year or Where for any of those 3. Meyer also wrote Sentences so even spaces in between the words, as in the note - even spacing in between Every word in the note BTW.
The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up
The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer.
BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door just before 6 a.m. because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still.
The general public know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace.
Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that.
It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies - for Help. Mrs Stine too but she couldn’t come. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement, that’s all. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior also, he too failed to see those windows. He reported to the 2 detectives, when all 3 were sitting in the car at the supermarket carpark, that there was no forced entry yet he hadn’t checked the Double door near the kitchen either. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case
@@bethryan9077What?? That is ludicrous! Lol! He's going to open up Patsy's albums and write under random photos?? That one photo said "The Rainbow Fish Players". Clearly, that is something a parent, probably Patsy, would write under a Polaroid photo. Not some intruder!
@@Bugiddle Stick to your one hour Made Up TV shows, that tell ya the ending, True crime is way over your head. BTW - that wasn't the only item that had writing & placed around the house.
Also interesting how the mother says “she loved her daddy, she was daddy’s girl” confirming that they had a strong bond and relationship but still no tears from pops.
She says “sounds like a kidnapping to me” not that she DOESNT think it sounds like a kidnapping. It’s interesting how you use dupers delight while kissing Patsys ass and pointing out her genuine behavior while ignoring all of her red flags 🤷♂️
So what? BTW - you saw a snippet of that interview & FYI - both were medicated.
@@tyleroreilly8195 You're just another Highly ignorant Victim Basher deary, there were Zero 'red flags' but the Behaviour of all those like Yourself, one big red flag & none of you should be allowed to Vote.
Are we gonna talk about the bruises and abrasions around her privates and wrists? And the fact that she was always going to the dr with yeast infections? As if the baby “modeling” wasn’t enough... she was abused.
I agree with you.
I didn't know there was a parallel between yeast infection and abuse.. yicks
@@gracehaven5459 yeast infections can result from any foreign object/fluid/substance (Especially bodily fluids) being around or inside the privates, abuse or not. It can occur naturally or by medication.
But when a -child- especially repeatedly gets them with no discernible reason that is more than a red flag.
He didn’t explicitly talk about it but alluded to the abuse by John when he paused then said he thinks John killed her at the end of the video. At least that’s what I picked up on.
In a documentary (maybe on Netflix? Can't remember), the autopsy reported that her genitals showed signs of repeated, frequent abuse. It was like the genitals of a sexual active adult woman. So probably death has meant peace and freedom for this child.
The woman detective who was in the house when he found the body said that she knew without a doubt it was him.
She never said that!! It was all implied the reporter never came out & said did “John” do it... she said do you think the killer will ever be brought to justice the cop said NO & before that was stated they were talking about the killer being a respected & powerful person that’s why justice wouldn’t be had. She was clearly beating around the bush & made it seem as though John did it and she knew he did it but she never flat out said that & in the court of law until put under oath that’s what you call hear say & an opinion not a fact and who knows how much she was paid to do that interview 🤔 cause she also said over and over how kind and friendly John was also in the court of the the attorney would tare her to shreds with that wishy washy contradiction
@@andreakaleena she knew it was him.
@@heather1872 short and simple answers you give 🤦🏼♀️ but no facts!!! 🙄 SHE Knew it was him but she still didn’t say IT WAS HIM😂 HIM HIM HIM she never said John 🤨 keep you opinion I’ll keep mine. That damn detective knew NOTHING cause when you do you build the case to solve it in that line of work determination is key a fucking little Girl was murdered if she gave one damn about that and knew beyond a doubt John killed her she’d done everything in her power to prove and convict his ass. She was paid a lot of money to get I. That camera and tell them lies🙄 she’s a lier
@@andreakaleena lmao she knew it was him.
@@heather1872 okay obviously this is a 12 year old little girl I’m debating with witch actually turns it into an argument because your a child I don’t associate with little kids or argue with them & your mother should really be supervising you what kind of mom let’s there kid watch this TH-cam channel? 🤦🏼♀️🙄 lord help this mother & child. Gotta Block this kid somehow
This gave me a totally new perspective on the case, I already had an intuition that John was guilty of molesting Jonbenet and that's why he did this, before she would get bigger and live to tell anyone about it also he is currently still collecting her life insurance policy.
I'm curious to see what Burke's facial expression analysis would look like?
He did the dr Phil and Burke interview
@ Mandy There is no evidence to support your statement. Stop with your BS
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The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up
The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer.
BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door just before 6 a.m. because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still.
The general public know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace.
Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that.
It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies - for Help. Mrs Stine too but she couldn’t come. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement, that’s all. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior also, he too failed to see those windows. He reported to the 2 detectives, when all 3 were sitting in the car at the supermarket carpark, that there was no forced entry yet he hadn’t checked the Double door near the kitchen either. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case
John was always suspicious, I personally think he did it. He claimed to have searched the basement before and she wasn’t there and then suddenly later she is and who discovered her? John! He’s a narcissist too, you can tell by his lack of emotion or fake emotion, his duper’s delight smile and the way he talks about the supply he obtained from his daughter. Absolutely sickening. And of course someone in the higher up helped cover it all up. There was never any intruder. I think John was sexually abusing his daughter and somehow hurt her. Patsy found out or caught him in the act and protected him because she had already lost her daughter, she didn’t want to lose her husband and her son as well or the comfortable lifestyle she was accustomed to. I do think Patsy regrets it and I do think she loved her daughter and felt genuine grief and remorse but she just didn’t want to ruin their picture perfect image. John obviously felt no real grief or remorse. It’s evident.
The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ at all & the 8 cops & detectives there that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive & within 6 minutes of the start of the 911 call. He had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived. The Whites, the Fernies & the pastor arrived at different times & sat in the den & sunroom. It was going to be a long wait that, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called two victim's advocates to come who were also present from early that morning.
Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & With detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door, as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window, shows that it was taken in the Night.
Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cop's Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails.
Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper.
*It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’.
Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer of her precious child.
Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well.
Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. They did Everything the cops asked them to do. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against His theory, they were out. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out, many Seasoned investigators continued the search Unpaid. Not one of them has written a Book. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still.
Patsy liked to wear red for Xmas & had bought a new red sweater that had baubles on it. She wore that & a pair of black pants to the White’s Xmas night dinner. They were up so early on the 26th because they were to take their plane to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at the Minneapolis airport & then all were going to their Charlevoix house for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving. No doubt Patsy wanted to show off her Xmassy sweater again. That morning, she threw that on with the same pants, re-did her make-up & was ready to go when she went down the stairs. She planned on having a bath when they got to their holiday house, after the long flight.
Patsy found the note & only read to about - ‘we have your daughter’ & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. She was using the wall phone in the alcove near the kitchen, John was on the floor reading the note over & over Then. The public need to find out about the layout of that Huge 4 level mansion. Patsy had been racing around a long distance plus the spiral staircase 2 times - in shock & great fear, she was so stressed that she couldn’t even get her words out at the Very Beginning of that Desperate 911 call & what came out was Babble. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Really had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. *Burke did Not move from his bed til he was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. His next interview was with a police child service’s officer that his parents Allowed 10 days after, no lawyer. The public have seen a few snippets of that. He was 11 when interviewed by another detective, over 2 days, that his parents Allowed, no lawyer. The public have seen a few snippets. N.B. That was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. The perps Staged all items on that table & lots more, Everywhere.
One needs to think about the Major Players behind this Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas put it all on Patsy, Linda Arndt decided Later that she’d blame John & James Kolar chose Burke - neither of these so-called 'police' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. Each one put their mugs on National TV, trying for fame & fortune, they Failed at that job also. All 3 are such an Embarrassment for law enforcement around the world & then there’s the Fact that they’re all Proven Liars.
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
no he didnt do it, the son did it, but it was an accident, the son attacked JB as he had been violent towards her several times before, dangerously violent, he hit her in the face with a golf club and did other disgusting horrible things to her as she got all the attention, he was very angry. the parents then covered it up. they know but it wasnt the parents.
He is absolutely a sociopath. A grade A sociopathic narcissit. He should be locked up for what he did to that poor girl.
John forged Patsys handwriting to disguise his own but the language and numbers match his. I believe he duped Patsy.
The moment I knew the Ramsey's were guilty was when Patsy denied recognizing her own handwriting and claiming to not remember writing the comments on her family photos. Anyone can recognize their own writing and remember writing in their own family photo albums.
Cozette M Right. One of them did it, others covered for them
Im certain her lawyer told her to not acknowledge any of the handwriting samples.
Exactly
Right. Who else would have written captions under photos? Did someone break in and write those too? It defies logic. She wrote the note. I had heard she did but I don’t remember ever seeing the examples. I don’t see how it could be a question in anyone’s mind.
I know right! It’s like who the heck else would label your photos in your photo album?
Its been 24 years since that poor girls death. She would 30 this year
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Oh my god! I didn't know she was that youung... 😭
IF he's guilty, how do you live with it?
@@alexanderh9878 some people are just that way. Think about Jeffery dahmer ( dont know if thats how you spell it) lived with it and so did ted bundy.
I remember my mom being obsessed with this case as it broke.. I'm just a few years older than Jonbenet. Just turned 32.
I think you've seriously SOLVED this case. My thoughts 💯 exactly !
When I think about John starting a romantic relationship with Natalie Holloway’s mother, it chills me to the bone. Seeing what he dragged his wife through and manipulating Natalie’s mother is terrifying!
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Burke was VERY angry about all the attention his mom poured onto JB; and his father was very involved with his business and never there. Burke hit her in the face with a golf club, smeared feces in her bed, smeared feces on candy she was about to eat; now THATS some SERIOUS ANGER!! i think Burke was violent towards her in the basement, and attacked her and accidentally killed her. the parents covered it up....she had a urinary tract infection it wasnt sxl damage etc....look at burkes face during the funeral video, hes happy hes smiling hes carefree, no shock, no grief, no thing!! except hes glad to b rid of her!! @@bethryan9077
He must have a huge boner because I can't understand what makes women so attracted to John!
Johns house of cards:
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If Patsy was involved in the cover up out of love for her family, she would still be genuinely grieving her daughter. You can do something horrible to someone, or help someone else you love get away with doing it, and still love the person they harmed.
It seems so much more likely that she wrote the note than her husband being able to replicate hers down to quirks in the tiny strokes.
@@rikkirikki4892 Exactly what I was thinking! The fact she's suffering after the death of her daughter does not mean, that she didn't help to cover up whatever happened there.
I also strongly think, that in fact, she did wrote this letter. She most probably have been under extremely strong emotions, maybe even already after taking some tranquilizing drugs, like benzodiazepines, which, among other properties are quite strong muscle relaxants. Than it would make sense, that the writing was sloppy.
Yeah, at the end of the day, they're both still her children. If the brother did it, Patsy was probably very conflicted about what to do.
Yes, but you have to consider both sides. Do you know of Dianne Downs?
Awful mother of three who shot all 3 kids and loved the camera, and spotlight!
I don't think Patsy did it at all. I'm just saying you must consider it. Susan Smith too. Different reasons for doing it. Same result.
Usually it's mothers who love themselves more than they love their kids.
Narcissistic/borderline personality
What intruder/killer hangs around a house writing a letter? They found pen and pad it was written with in the house!! This is not rocket science here.
Except that the house had thousands of people in it as a show house just days before. The police didn't secure the crime scene either, so the pad and pen were found after the notes, so its unclear what happened with them. Lots of reasonable doubt and multiple suspects.
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Well the family was not home that day so it's very possible that the murderer was in the house before they came home. They would have had a lot of time to write the note and look around the home to finalize their plan and hide out in the basement until they went to bed
@@mrlynn713 he or she could have taken the pad and brought it back. The Ramsay's had more than one.
One with psychosis? You can’t always rationalize things that irrational people do.
I don’t know what happened, but, homocidal maniacs don’t always think rationally.
To think that John Ramsey had the audacity to try a run for congress after all this 😂
Contrary to what a quick perusal through the comment sections of TH-cam videos might suggest, most of the people of the world don't believe that the CEO of a company that employs 350 people owned by Lockheed and his Miss America runner-up wife killed their beautiful, very intelligent, 6 year old pageant star daughter. Most of the people in this country don't read trashy headline magazines. I don't know anyone who does, personally.
Not really sure what is audacious about his running for an office that could make a difference
@@randolphtimm6031 Are you deaf and blind, do you think for one second if there was 0 doubt we would be here now 25 years later 😂
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I agree with you. People like Kakashiballz just likes to talk $hit because he obvs has no life.
@@randolphtimm6031I mean the former boulder Colorado police chief that worked on the case thinks they had something to do with it so there’s definitely more believability there than it just being a “ tRAShy mAgiZinE hEadLine”
@@killamongoose387 I think you're talking about Kolar. Lot's of reasons for saying something is this or that when it's not necessarily this or that. Seems like he was trying to lay it on Burke, if I remember right. He had a book to sell, for one thing. He was the Chief of Police at the time. Nobody likes to say "This happens in our town" and Ramsey's had moved in from Atlanta after taking over a local operation that was going to go belly up. Could be a juxtaposition there.
Police are notorious for not disclosing true facts of a case until there's somebody in cuffs to put in front of the camera. This is just standard operational procedure. Everywhere. It's a game of cat and mouse. So everyone can say "It's John or Patsy or Burke" and Joe Blow Public doesn't go out and stir up the bushes and getting in the way and getting killed in the process. They just sit around and make up their own facts to fit their theory. Look at the trouble CBS went through to put it on Burke. Like he's really gonna smear poop around JBR's bedroom LOLOL ROFL. Yeah. 9 years old and never got caught doing anything to anyone ever.
And CBS guys can sit back and say "You don't want your kids to do this, now, because the next thing you know they'll be killing your other kids. Keep your eyes peeled for neighbors that have kids that do this!" And the cops can say, "We're still looking" so that kinda puts a damper on the crime rate because anyone gets caught doing ANYTHING is going to be up for this one.
And we all get to watch videos of JonBenet dancing and singing which is pretty good, but we would have been able to do that anyway in a few years. Probably.
Even the lead detective that wrote the book told John "I just spent three days in North Carolina talking to peds in prison but that doesn't sell the magazines. We gotta get you out of the bucket. That's what sells the magazines." Dirty laundry. True or not.
So many people say the ransom note is stupid, but if the Ramseys were in any way responsible, that note is the one thing that saved them from prosecution.
Why does he always look like he's about to smile? It's in his eyes.
Definitely. If you covered up the lower half of his face at any time during this interview you’d think he was smiling and laughing
Because he *thinks* he is smarter than everyone and is doing a great job putting one over on the interviewers. I dislike the term, but it's known as "duper's delight." And you are correct. He does look like he's smiling the whole time, like..."I got this in the bag. No one's going to trip me up in my lies. I'm more intelligent than any FBI agent or detective."
Fool is a pyschopath.
Classic trait of someone with NPD, especially from the sociopathic group. These narcissistic sociopaths believe themselves to be above getting caught, and they experience a strange euphoria from being able to fool other people.
I noticed that too, but thought maybe I was imagining it.
Patsy herself said she was on sedatives for a year or more after the death. I don’t blame her
Agreed! I would be completely catatonic in the same situation
@@addie_is_me bc her child was found murdered? I dont think she had anything to do with it...at all.
There was DNA and a handprint found in the basement that they couldn’t trace to anyone .....and the police dropped that when they saw they could get the parents easier
@@anastasia.outschool4992 No, that’s not why and I don’t think she killed the kid either, we can agree there, but I always thought she was covering up after the fact. I’m not original in that, most people think she was covering up.btw, I removed the comment you are referring too, not sure why I said it.
@@addie_is_me no problem :) in all honesty, the crime scene was so damaged from the start that I don’t think we will ever know what truly happened. This conjecture is all that can take place. The pineapple in her stomach is what stuck out to me originally. I did a study on this case in university and found several things that the police/fbi did not follow up on....two of them being the mysterious handprint on the door to the room she was found in, and DNA on the blanket. Neither belonged to anyone in the family or friends circle.
That said, Burke (has he been dx with Autism? Idk but that’s what it looks like to me- I have two kids with ASD- so I know what it looks like in general) Burke’s actions yes look suspicious, but if he has something like Autism, that could be why.
This could also be why John Ramsey is so “logical” and not showing of the same range of emotions as his wife- Autism is genetic.
It just occurred to me when she's describing finding the note! John wrote it!!! It was written to look like her handwriting. I was in business with my huaband, often imitating his penmanship. It's not inconceivable that he would use that to throw everyone off. She is sedated, making it also difficult for her to lie!
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Patsy would still be upset if she had to deal with her child being murdered and participating in the ransom note cover up. Her husband is an intelligent psychopath with zero distress. If he’s that sick he could’ve even threatened patsy in all kinds of ways. I pray he’s caught and we know the truth in my lifetime.
This is the problem for all those like Yourself - you don't know A Damn Thing about the crime, the case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this poor child. Nor do you Care to Find Out because like soo many others, you’re too busy bangin on with a load of Garbage about each & every member of JonBenet’s family instead.
You watch TV shows & pick out whatever suits your hate-filled agendas & post that as if facts. Shame on you all.
All Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a bunch of Real experts, who included Forensic Scientists. Just because you Don’t Know about that evidence, does Not Mean that it doesn’t exist. All those under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who Saw - Case Evidence, which Included the autopsy photos, the X-ray photo of the skull & the Authentic autopsy report & Loads of other items - that Are In Evidence & online for all to source.
You people are Nobodies & clearly y’all are not very bright so just get over yourselves & leave this family In Peace.
Until this case is brought to trial for criminal proceedings, the general public will Never get to know the True Facts about this case. Unless you start some Actual Research online, but that takes a whole lot of hard slog & one needs some experience just to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. Reddit & the videos are Still full of False & Misleading information whether old TV programmes or new Utube 'shows' & both put Fake pages on the screen As If from police files, the Same false & misleading information in soo many books. All of this BS has been going around for Over 25 years & counting. People need to wake up to themselves. Obviously too many in the public domain believe all that they read in trashy magazines too & whatever is on the back of your cereal boxes.
Way too many so-called ‘experts’ jumped on the bandwagon to find their version of fame & to make Money from - all those who are ignorant, hateful, gullible, cruel & then there’s all those who are just plain Stupid.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
The fact that the father dated NATALEE HOLLOWAYS mom right after patsy died IS FREAKING WEIRDDDDD.
Really??
What is he connected with???
@Molly Mew a medical examiner said jonbonet had signs on her privates consistent with sexual abuse. The kind that has gone on for a while not just fresh
@@analeticiagallardo2314 that was a microscopical tear that could have happened post mortem while the dad moved her body several times. Very doubtful and only taking the attention away from the facts that it was a staged crime scene and all
@@Driftingmoo fair enough I know that isn't always conclusive. But three separate medical examiners said it was consistent with sexual abuse. Have you watched the Linda Arnt interview titled I know who killed jonbonet? She was the first detective on the scene. She comes across very genuine I think it is a really compelling testimony. If you haven't already seen it I recommend it. It is quite short but very intense.
@@Driftingmoo sexual abuse does not take away from the possibility that it was a staged crime scene. The sexual abuse would be the catalyst for the staged crime scene. I do belive she was being sexually abused given the fact John knew Jeffrey Epstien and was pictured with Ghislain Maxwell.
Kids pageant's should be banned, shame on you parents that put your kids into them.
I agree. Be diligent in all child activites because a lot of pedos are lurking there, male and female.
Pagents are acceptable in many places. Pedophiles are everywhere and are not acceptable. Do the math. The pagents are not the problem.
@@cocoa-nuts2670 kids should not be dressed up like mini adults looking like slappers and dancing sexy its wrong, I had to deal with dirty old men from age 4 to 16 and this type of thing gets me fucking mad at parents that want to put kids on show.
I agree
@@cocoa-nuts2670 the problem are the crazy moms who want to live vicariously through their children to achieve some sort of life long dream. Pageants are a meat market for perverts, and the parents are putting the on display. Disgusting and irresponsible
Good video. Please continue. This precious child, at the very least, deserves justice.
I think it was Burke but the parents knew and covered it up. Patsy wrote the note and John told her what to write. They stuck to the story to protect Burke.
He was 9 at the time…and she had been sexually abused too.
Even with the note im sure i would have searched the entire house if my child was missing. How was she just laying down in the basement for hours?!??
I have always thought that. I would look in every room, every closet, every kitchen cabinet, under every bed. The parents didn't search for her because they knew exactly where she was.
Same! I would have search every freakin inch of the house in record time
Yeah, she wasn't even hidden. Like I've heard things of people thinking their child was missing and the child actually having hidden under the sofa and fallen asleep and them not checking there because it seems like such an unlikely place to be, but she was just laying there easily seen.
They'd been told to check the house for suspicious things. If I thought someone might've been in my house while I was asleep, I'd immediately think of the basement and if they'd already been in the basement before we went to bed. How do you not search an entire room of a house? I'd have been checking the attic, garden shed, kitchen cupboards, everything
At the very least, even if they believed she was no longer in the house, wouldn't it make sense to look for where the 'kidnapper' might have come in? i.e. checking for broken locks, windows, etc.
No kidding for gods sakes my 7 month old KITTEN goes missing and I’m searching every inch, every drawer, every cupboard, every corner, behind the washing machine, etc. and of course I’ll find her snoozing away on a new shelf she’s just discovered or tucked in a pile of unearthed winter clothes and yes she’s just a kitten but she’s still mine to take care of and mine to keep safe I would never stop looking until I found her!!!!
Imagine that’s my child I’d rip up every floorboard, scour every inch of space to be SURE my child wasn’t caught in some wiring or stuck on a nail, or trapped anywhere in that giant house!
She was just laying dead in their basement the entire time I just can’t fathom how that’s possible.
If John is a master manipulator, which I believe he is, then Patsy being heavily drugged for this initial interview makes a lot of sense. I'm sure he encouraged her to do that so her memory would be hazy, and he could more easily mold her emotions/memory however he wanted to fit his story.
hmm good point
Perfectly said.
I have similar thinking; I think he was a nervous wreck w/her talking AND sedated that she might 'snap on' to a thought while her mind was combing over the incident. WATCH HIS face when she speaks. It seems NERVOUS and VERY ATTENTIVE to what she says to me. :)
Major Narcissist
LMAO. Doh.
That Bizarre ransom note has Bewildred, confused, discombobulated, everyone
from then to this day!
that *note* saved John's ass 😢
I could be wrong. However, it seems an awful lot to me that John did it and set up the entire scene. He made Patsy think it was Burke. That put Patsy in "Save Burke" mode and that could possibly incriminate her. She wrote the note while John coached her not only what to write but to make sure the letters didn't look like hers. She did her best but under stress her own style leaked through. He had her write the note to mention the 118,000 specifically to insinuate that someone he knew did it. Then when the police came John made sure that he found Jon Benet and picked her up contaminating the crime scene. John probably made sure that Patsy lived the rest of her life probably blaming herself for what she believed Burke did. Patsy later died of cancer. Everything worked out perfectly for him and Burke. Thats what he cared about.
I never believed Patsy for one minute. She wanted everyone to believe there was 'something out there'. Rather than something in her house. She may have been in pain but she knew what happened.
I thought her emotions were real in that interview, she was genuinely devastated and living in a nightmare. But I will agree with you 100% that there was something super phony about that warning she gave to others to keep their babies close because there was someone out there. When she said "I don't know if it's a woman or a man"....I really had to pause on that. Woman? You think a stranger broke into your house, sexually assaulted and murdered your 6 year old and you think that it possibly could have been a strange woman who did that? It just struck me as odd.
I agree.
I don't think Patsy was involved. She was truly devastated. She did what an innocent person would do, she got angry and vehemently denied she had anything to do with it.
@@themythhunter9764 .she was not only involved but it is more likely she was the killer
@@jadezee6316 a few years ago I read that jonbennet had bed wetting issues. This is the only scenario in which I could imagine Patsy killing her child. Especially since they were involved in pageants I could imagine her losing her shit one night over the “imperfection” and/or mess. This could still explain her devastation and John’s distant attitude (possibly shock/resentment/etc).
OR, given the fact bed wetting can be sometimes be a sign of abuse (disclaimer: certainly not ALL cases of bed wetting are due to abuse), perhaps in addition to being a psychopath with no feelings John was doing something to her and she had to go.
Handwriting isn't easy to forge. I'm an artist, I studied visual art at university and I also love calligraphy and different fonts. When copying someone's writting It is easy to copy individual letters, the part that is harder is making it flow in the same way so it looks natural. Often times if you focus on individual letters too much you can mess up the spacing, the slant and the overall thickness and therefore it looks staged with too many pauses. With practice it is perfectly achievable to make it flow naturally. But if you had to forge some one else's handwriting in a ransom note you would try to keep it a short and concise as possible. Why would you want the added pressure of a three page letter. That too me is extremely suspicious. Also the ransom note does flow quite well, not in the actual choice of wording but just visually speaking it does not appear forced. If she did not write it whoever did do it had time to practice, ergo it was premeditated as opposed to a rash act.
Some people are naturally good at it. While not artistic, I know I am, and ambidextrous, as well. It's almost like having an ear for language, only written. 🤷♀️
see that's the thing. seeing the letters alone, they seem similar, but once they pull whole words up, they look quite different. now, it's true that my own handwriting varies to a crazy degree depending on mental state. but i've also forged writing, and the "sloppiness" of the handwriting in the note kind of looks like someone who was focusing more on getting the elements of the writing style right, more so than the flow. so i'm personally more inclined to believe premeditated and practised.
On the other hand, I've seen a lot of handwriting online that looks just like mine. Obviously none of those people were forging my handwriting, we just write some of our letters similarly.
he well could have structured the letter before he killed Jon Benet.
@@lulumoon6942 my brother girlfriend and my older sister used to sign my mom name on my school notes so I didn’t get in trouble
What find very strange is a hang up 911 call from the Ramsey's residents a few days before the Dec.26 call.
19:18 Look closely. You’ll see tears.
He almost looks like he's smiling at times...
Patsy lying about the handwriting sounds just like my daughter when she's lying. So obvious.
Then you are accusing your daughter of lying, when she is telling g the truth. Sad.
@@wordswritteninred7171 That ratio tho
@@coralrose5754 what ratio? It’s obvious you don’t have the facts
@@wordswritteninred7171 ✨Okie boomer✨
@@wordswritteninred7171 tf are you talking about???? It was very clearly her handwriting
I think the father had his wife drugged so she can’t really share what’s going on. She’s easier to control.
Personally I think if someone was drugged they’d be more of a loose canon, a liability. They wouldn’t be able to control themselves. A sedated person is definitely easier to control but in this case I’m curious if it would work in the husbands favor 🤷🏻♀️
She managed to squeak out a tear, wow.. i mean for someone who ABOUT TO cry so much.. that actual tear sure took its time.
The possible dupers delight of John is, in a way, shown in his eyes more than his mouth,and it's hard to detect a smile on his face, as his normal smiles are "small" to begin with, so a slight smile is even harder to detect
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of something called Evidence & by a bunch of Actual experts, who included Forensic Scientists. So, your 'eye language' nonsense is just That, a load of stupidass Crap.
Parents that put their young daughter on display like they did are sick
Yup
I agree👍
A kid dressing up for pageants is not "putting them on display". I saw pageants on tv when I was a kid and wanted to do it and my mom and I did some together and we had a lot of fun like a bonding experience and girl stuff like dressing up, makeup, hair, talent show. We loved it
@@miac2382 yeah but think about some pf those shows. A lot of kids throw tantrums and stuff which is an indicator they don't want to be there or don't want to be doing it.
🙄🙄🙄
I’m in law enforcement. It has been my experience that murders in general, are usually committed by someone close to the victim. With female children, usually it’s the father, or the person who finds the body. In this case, the father found the body.
oh wow…have you watched the innterview of the first cop on the scene? She makes it very clear that it was John.
@@jessicacereceres2404 do you have a link or know the cops name?
I couldn't believe the police let them search the house and didn't secure the crime scene. Knowing the father is a prime suspect, the officer would likely be with him at all times, dont you think? So many things to consider.
www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/09/jonbenet.dna/
2008 DNA eliminated the mom, the dad & the brother
@@JessRodr this was about the DNA found on her panties right? i believe that theres also a possibility that the dna was from the making/packaging process of them (i think something like this has happened in other murder cases)
Sorry but this kid is delirious. Theory that the dad wrote a 3 page note intentionally to look like his wifes? If he's that good, he would have just written it to look like no one in the family's handwriring. As someone that forged my mom's handwriting to get out of school, I can certainly attest to the fact that the number one rule of forging someone's handwriting is to keep it short and sweet. Can you imagine trying to forge a 3 page note from my mom to get out of class!?! No, I write "Mark was sick and couldn't be in yesterday". The longer the note, the greater the probability of being caught. Duh. Even if we were to believe it was John that mimic'ed Patsy, the fact she lied about the handwriting on pictures of her kid that she clearly wrote tells me she knows she wrote the note and is hiding that. If she were truly innocent of the murder and hadn't written the note, she wouldn't be lying about her own handwritting on family pictures. She'd have at least admitted that was her handwriting on the pictures.
The note was definitely written by Patsy. Once that fact is established, she is now either the murderer or an accomplice. Regardless we know for a fact now that she was lying to the police and was involved in a murder.
You need a copy of someone's handwriting in front of you to mimic it accurately. Whose notebook was the ransom note written from?
This is the unique convincing theory. Bravo! Every body language expert have claimed that the murdered was Patsy. Nobody had focused on Mr. Ramsey till now. You're a REAL body language expert, sir.
If someone was trying to mimic Patsy's handwriting, or anyone's handwriting, the #1 goal would be to keep the letter very short to avoid writing that doesn't look like Patsy's--and it was a 3 page kidnapping letter.
I see spots in the letters in different spots on the ransom and control samples of hesitations, when the pen sat longer so more ink is left. Makes me think the writer paused, maybe to check how the writing looked.
Patsy wrote the note. She has no clue of what a ransom note is. She is trying her best to convince the reader.
And the kid wasn’t even kidnapped. This note was written in a state of panic by people who’ve never murdered someone before. The dad killed that little girl & was panicking as to what to do. He’s a sociopath and would be willing to throw his own wife under the bus to save his ass... Hence the copying of Patsy’s style of writing.
Agree. I think she wrote it, which is the most certain of all the evidence, to me
Very interesting how the word "Pedophilia" or "Pedophile" is a no no word to write or say on TH-cam
Are they a protected class now?
Seems like it.
They are a protected class. Too bad their victims don’t get the same protection.
Sooner I'm off this planet, the better!!
Always have been. They all protect each other.
They belong to satanic cults....most of them anyway.
I met John Ramsey at an auto repair shop in 2008. I consciously avoided the topic of Jonbenet until John casually started talking about her. At one point in the conversation, he was saying how she was "executed" but he caught himself and said "extroverted" and nervously smiled at me. It was so disturbing that I stopped talking to him. Ever since then I was convinced he was the killer.
Really? I wonder what he was doing at an auto repair shop. John was notorious for driving very well maintained, newer vehicles. The Jag he was driving when JonBenet was kidnapped was literally brand new. Less than a year old. I wonder what he was getting repaired. Did you ask him who killed JonBenet? Who brought up the subject? Did you introduce yourself?
@@randolphtimm6031 I met him over 10 years after his daughter was killed, and no I don't believe she was "kidnapped". I met him in the indoors waiting area and we started talking, initially I wasn't even sure it was him until I heard his voice. He definitely never seemed genuinely heartbroken for his daughter like a normal parent would be
@@retardedvaxxedliberal That's interesting that you would think that. I've studied crime in general and kidnapping in particular mainly because my old man was an MP in the Army and started training me quite young, not unlike Patsy training JonBenet. So, I'm sure I have a quite different view than the folks that claim to be RDIers. There is just to much solid evidence for IDI theories and the evidence for RDI is completely concocted, erroneous, and/or misinterpreted.
Anger can cover virtually all of the other emotions when strong enough. I don't know how you would feel if you were in John's shoes, and assuming you're wrong about the kidnapping. If you were not very, very angry, I'd be very, very surprised. In any case, we are all raised and trained from childhood in different ways and with different responses and methods of handling different situations. I received gun training very early and along with that anger management and taught never to fight. Avoid physical confrontation at all costs whenever possible. Some folks would test this as a matter of course. "Is he chicken?" Well, no.
The point being that I'm quite sure that John was not to not cry in public, to not display fits of anger no matter what, and probably a lot of other things along those lines. It's a shame that you put more value on your narrow interpretations of how a person should act than actually considering the substantial amount of solid scientific evidence. You missed a great opportunity.
@@randolphtimm6031 So you believe in the "intruder theory" and yet you're claiming that you have "a substantial amount of evidence" LOOOL the irony
@@retardedvaxxedliberal Huh? What's the irony? Want a list?
Looks like both to me, Patsy’s sorrow and regret is real - for her daughter as well as Patsy’s way of life and prestige that forever changed. And sorrow for knowing the truth of events.
I believe it was unplanned, the original blow to the head, and then they both were complicit in lying about the abuse and the actual death by strangulation.
In the 911 call you can hear patsy say . "What did you do, what did you do"
I believe that was towards her son. She lied and said he was asleep but he was heard on the phone call. A documentary I watched concluded by medical examiners firmly believed that the brother killed her. It would make sense since they covered it up.
@@tokkibeanie yeah, i believe the theory to. It explains the parent's actions the most, also in this video their shame, fear and training to keep it neutral
I think the father did it but convinced the mother that it was Burke, she believed him and covered for her strange acting son (he might be on the spectrum), while the real murderer was husband.
Number 1.The first detective on the scene asked them to look around the house to be sure that everything is ok. In what home invasion do you know of where the police do not come in and clear the residence first???
EXACTLY
The cops botched this entire thing. There were so many people in and out of the house. They had the family look around the house without the cops, the father moved the body, they took too long to start the investigation and the entire thing was just botched. The cops did a piss poor job and left no chance for anyone to come in and solve this case.
@@mmamantea84 that part of town had very little crime, therefore very little experienced personnel, very little habit of investigating murders. It was December 26, and most were on vacation. So, yeah, botched.
@@mmamantea84 - a recent podcasts said as Boulder never had murders the local Police did not have a homicide division, hence all the mistakes made....
Mistakes were made since the very first moment! Also red flag to "body language" and long ransom letter. Nothing makes sense in this case!
I was looking for this. I long have suspected that her father killed her. He gives off psychopathy vibes to me. I believe John killed her and Patsy pretty much knows and doesn't want to deal with it or admit it to herself. I keep trying to read him and see the real John but I can't because I think it's the stereotypical pyschopathic trait of putting on the mask. . I don't sense genuine empathy in his character. I believe he is extremely intelligent and a high functioning pyschopath. And I truly believe he staged the whole discovery of the body thing because his pyschopathy is so evolved that he has that level of audacity.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
You need to get Your 'psychopathy' all checked.
Didn't a female officer who was at the house that day just before John brought JonBenet's body upstairs say that there was no doubt in her mind that she was staring into the eyes of the killer?
The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ at all & the 8 cops & detectives there that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive & within 6 minutes of the start of the 911 call. He had John & Patsy sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived. The Whites, the Fernies & the pastor arrived at different times & sat in the den & sunroom. It was going to be a long wait that, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called two victim's advocates to come who were also present from early that morning.
Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & With detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door, as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window, shows that it was taken in the Night.
Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cop's Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails.
Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper.
*It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’.
Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer of her precious child.
Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well.
Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. They did Everything the cops asked them to do. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against His theory, they were out. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out, many Seasoned investigators continued the search Unpaid. Not one of them has written a Book. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still.
Patsy liked to wear red for Xmas & had bought a new red sweater that had baubles on it. She wore that & a pair of black pants to the White’s Xmas night dinner. They were up so early on the 26th because they were to take their plane to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at the Minneapolis airport & then all were going to their Charlevoix house for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving. No doubt Patsy wanted to show off her Xmassy sweater again. That morning, she threw that on with the same pants, re-did her make-up & was ready to go when she went down the stairs. She planned on having a bath when they got to their holiday house, after the long flight.
Patsy found the note & only read to about - ‘we have your daughter’ & raced upstairs to find JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he told her to call the police. She was using the wall phone in the alcove near the kitchen, John was on the floor reading the note over & over Then. The public need to find out about the layout of that Huge 4 level mansion. Patsy had been racing around a long distance plus the spiral staircase 2 times - in shock & great fear, she was so stressed that she couldn’t even get her words out at the Very Beginning of that Desperate 911 call & what came out was Babble. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Really had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. *Burke did Not move from his bed til he was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. His next interview was with a police child service’s officer that his parents Allowed 10 days after, no lawyer. The public have seen a few snippets of that. He was 11 when interviewed by another detective, over 2 days, that his parents Allowed, no lawyer. The public have seen a few snippets. N.B. That was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. The perps Staged all items on that table & lots more, Everywhere.
One needs to think about the Major Players behind this Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas put it all on Patsy, Linda Arndt decided Later that she’d blame John & James Kolar chose Burke - neither of these so-called 'police' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. Each one put their mugs on National TV, trying for fame & fortune, they Failed at that job also. All 3 are such an Embarrassment for law enforcement around the world & then there’s the Fact that they’re all Proven Liars.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Yeah the boulder police were even Listening to some nut job saying she was channeling jon benet.😂
@@bethryan9077 You're obviously very very familiar with this case. learning lots of details, a lot to process and digest really (including the fact that only Liberia employs a grand jury system 😮). Given your intimate knowledge of the case, who do you think did it?
John mouthing "keep your babies close to you" while Patsy says it is extremely creepy
Rehearsed? If not, how did he know what she was going to say?
@@ruthann664 sure looks that way
was he actually? I read your comment and rewatched that part over and over and over trying to see it but I couldn't
@@missmaree7307 Yes, he mouths the words...watch where Patsy is crying and struggling to say something....she starts with I don’t know if it’s a he or a she.....then she goes into telling the residents of Boulder to keep.....then she struggles and John mouths the words to her. The clip I watched is #51 Patsy Ramsey “why did they do it” Armchair Detective Case Library. Hope this helps! 😊
@@ruthann664 I'm still trying to catch it but at least I think I was able to pick up something interesting that I haven't seen anyone mention yet anyways, right after Patsy says "it sounded like a kidnapping to me" I swear I can hear John say 'ssssssshh' very quickly and barely opening his mouth, maybe through his teeth?
I have always and still believe with my whole heart it was her dad. This whole situation is so heinous and devastating.
That's what I believe too!
I watched the doc where people from their town were trying out to play parts in a movie about this and this jagoff suggests Patsy dying of ovarian cancer was the manifestation of her guilt.....like ugh. It's more likely a manifestation of her husband being a deviant perv and giving her HPV!
From day one in 1997, I will always believe that John Rambsey knows exactly what happened to his daughter.
Same and noone will convince me otherwise. The DA should have never exonerated him, because the evidence found did not disprove anything. This entire situation was tainted from the beginning!
He did it.
Also think about what kind of a person who would let his young son and wife be accused of a crime; that's some sick manipulation. He let reasonable doubt permeate by never speaking up for his own living child.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
John is seen "mouthing" Patsys LINES to her. That tells me and it should tell you that it was ACTING!! A script they were following. When Patsy pauses to get emotional John steps in and helps her deliver the script.
I think you are spot on. I think John wrote the ransom and tried to make it look like Patsy wrote it. I really appreciate this video, I live in Boulder Colorado and have lived here since before this happened. I have seen the actual house a few times and just wanted some honest opinions. I feel very satisfied with what you have shown and talked about. Thank you Tina Espinoza, current resident of Boulder. 🙂
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Some cops also had moron syndrome.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.*
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys..
@@bethryan9077I see you used a paragraph at the end there. So you are capable of using them. Your walls of text are hard to parse, meaning people just glaze over your comment and nobody takes the time to read it.
I always though the Dad was guilty. The fact but they found evidence of prolonged sexual abuse says it all. I think the mom knew.
All that was found was a singular microscopic tear of the vagina- wasn’t visible to naked eyes. Her hymen was still intact and there was nothing like swelling, redness, or widening less than a pinky finger- their verbiage, not mine. Her autopsy indicated there was no evidence of any sexual abuse- then or in her past. She did however have frequent urinary tract issues and made several doctor trips for infections.
@@TheKrisb25 frequent infections are VERY common in children that are being sexually abused, specifically girls. The hymen can break from anything so that doesnt really matter and it wasnt the cause of her death but it was the catalyst. If you think John, her father who was friends with Jeffrey Epstein, didnt sexually abuse her then youre pretty naive.
@@aloeleaf ugh, I just hear Jeffrey Epstein and that's it for me ... I highly judge anyone who has anything to do with him ... and I say has, not had ...
@@aloeleaf exactly! Thank you.
@@veronikapop8161look it up. There's no link tying John and Jeffrey together. People went crazy because the profile of a woman was in a pic with JonBenet and she looked similar to Maxwell. We don't have proof. Don't believe everything you read :)
People have a hard time even faking a signature. I can't imagine trying to copy someones way of writing for 3 whole pages and have it be that consistent.
That's actually a good point
I agree!
i mean, /some/ people have a hard time forging a signature. some people, like myself, have the tendacy to study the writing patterns of loved ones and so can find it relatively easy to copy the handwriting of say a wife. not saying that you’re definitely wrong, but you’re also not definitely right in that reguard
I used to draw a lot when I was younger and it was always easy for me to pick up other peoples styles of writing..so js it could be done and not neccessary with the writer struggling with someone else's style.
Your assuming someone is trying to copy her handwriting style. There are billions of people in this world, there’s undoubtably going to be people who have the same style of handwriting especially if they had the same teachers when they’re first starting to write. And everyone assumes that no one would have time to write a lengthy letter during the short time after the crime was committed without acknowledging that someone could’ve been waiting in the home before they came back home from a full day away, and wrote it then. The point is, that isn’t enough to condemn them especially since the DNA on the underwear doesn’t belong to anyone in the home....
The jury in this case said both parents guilty but the DA said no and wouldn't allow it .WHY ? This leads me to think of a possible Peadophile Ring because they never get prosicuted as there are too many of them and are usually high profile influential people ,basically untouchable !
Not a pedo ring … it’s just lack of good evidence
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 Then why in her Autopsy Report does it say tha little girl had Trauma to her genitals and it wasn't the first time it had been over many years ?
ok Qanon, it's 100% likely that pedo's are lone pedo's and part not some "cabal".
fleet white and john ramsey did it, might've been others involved as well, it's complicated, an patsy wrote the note to help cover it up
Patsy says "that sounds like kidnapping to me." She didn't say "that doesn't".
I thought that’s what I heard as well.
@@ashleymariestack20 I listened to it three times and I ONLY hear "That sounds like kidnapping to me." I have no idea how he heard her say "doesn't".
@@MissNebulosity I actually also heard "doesn't sound like kidnapping to me" except, it comes out as "dudn't" instead of "doesn't" but now listening to it again, I really can't tell. I hear "That sounded like kidnapping to me". As someone from the Midwest, when just speaking and not paying attention to my enunciation, I might say "dudn't sound like kidnapping to me" instead of "doesn't"... and now I wish the video had closed captioning lol.
@@azyraphae You might be able to find the video with closed captions somewhere on youtube, OR you might be able to find a transcript. I'm going to google cnn ramsey interview transcript and see if I find something there too.
@@azyraphae Found it. Here's the video. Turn on closed captions and go to 5 minutes 23 seconds. "That sounds like kidnapping to me." th-cam.com/video/gP5UVrxyqYA/w-d-xo.html
I think her emotions look genuine. John’s do not.
She looks like she’s on horse tranquilizers at least in the first interview
Genuine emotions, yes; probably due to her complicity
To me, nothing can explain away their involvement once you see the note compared with the mom's handwriting. She wrote it. It also asked for the exact amount of money for random that John had just gotten as a Christmas bonus.
Patsy could have killed her and still have genuine emotions about her death....especially if it was some sort of accident.
Idk men are taught to bury their emotions and that crying is for girls so idk maybe that's why
They made the wrong decision to protect their son.
John NEVER shed a tear EVER!
Why does it look like John is holding back a smirk for most of this interview? Hmmm...
I was thinking the same thing. Absolutely disgusting
Did you see Burkes interview with Dr. PHIL
Watch Burke's interview. He is John's youngest son, and he has half his genes. They both have the same odd affect. Doesn't make them killers.
Duper’s Delight
Because he is. He’s not bothered by this in the least. He’s a very evil man.
This is so frustrating because she says hours later they found her dead in their home.
Ok. But no. Absolutely not.
See I have 5 children. They’re 14, 9, 8, 5 and 2.
One day my mom and stepdad were over at our house. We just moved to this home and I was extremely uncomfortable with the amount of doors on this old house on both stories.
I was in bed with a migraine. I thought our 2 year old was with my husband. My husband thought he was with my parents in the living room. They thought my son was with my husband. It had only been about 5 minutes that we didn’t have eyes on him.
We all immediately freaked out when we realized he wasn’t around.
We called his name and searched every room multiple times. I even checked our attic at the end because I looked EVERYWHERE. I even looked outside around the house in case he got on a balcony and somehow fell off.
We all checked every room thoroughly and quickly, all yelling his name. We then all ran outside. Checked our yard, neighbors yard, down the road. This took about 10 minutes. I called 911 as soon as I realized we didn’t see him inside or out. Police came and searched for a couple hours. Search dog and all.
The dog even missed him. He somehow was in an upstairs bedroom and had climbed in a moving box and slept through our screaming and the chaos.
But my point is….when your child is missing? It does not take HOURS to locate then inside your own home.
Why’d it take ours to get to the basement?
If I were them I’d have already searched every single inch of that home a 1000 times.
That in itself is alarming to me.
Well, that’s you. That doesn’t set the standard for everyone. Respectfully, I disagree with your suggestion.
Not to say I think they’re innocent.
Jackie, I hear you! A missing child sets off a panic that drives you to look and look and keep on looking. If they didn't find her during the earlier search, how were they able to find her when they did? And so quickly? It doesn't make sense.
@@ichangedmynameforyoutube Your first two statements betray the adverb in your third.
I thought the same thing, Jackie. My daughter went missing for a few minutes (she went out my parent's doggy door and was playing outside) abd we tore that house apart looking for her. I just don't buy it.
So glad baby was okay mama bear ❤
Patsy was an actress and performer. In fact, JB was also enrolled in acting lessons.
Remember, John lost another daughter a couple of years before this happened in a car wreck. He may have been able to suppress his feelings. I would want to know how he acted when his first daughter died.
And men react differently
He fell apart when his daughter Beth was killed in an automobile accident.
I grew up with a very violent older brother. I always knew, even when I was very young, that if he killed me, my parents would have covered for it. And I feel that is exactly what happened to this little girl.
How ist the relationship between you and your brother today? Can it get better?
That's horrible, you are strong.
@@camilloforever3497 Why in the hell would you think she should have a better relationship with this violent asshole? Are you sick? I personally hope the brother is not around at all.
We had favoritism too. Very odd.
Hi Lady Rose. I too had a violent older brother. He was 23 when I was 11 or 12 and he would punch my arms hard, leaving them "dead" because I played pop music which he hated. He would also smash my records which really upset me. When I was a child I thought I just had a shitty brother like other people talked about but didn't realise until I was older that this guy was well into being a grown man when he did these things to a 11 or 12 year old.
He went on to terribly abuse his wife who was 65 when he kicked her in the crutch with steel toe capped boots and shattered her pelvis.
He was a violent man but worse when drinking which was every single day.
I stopped talking to him after that.
I'm really hoping that you are doing okay and are strong and happy in your life. It's v easy to put up with more abuse as adults when experiencing or witnessing it as a child.
Lots of love from Kerry in the UK 💖
When Patsy said she was daddy’s girl it made me feel sick. I really hope he didn’t have an inappropriate relationship with his daughter but it makes me feel like it’s possible and that’s a pretty solid motive as well.
Oh he did or he sold her. Watch the female detectives video interview on this case! Shocking - she doesn’t say his name but she names him as the killer and says there are signs of sexual trauma to her vagina that was clear it had been going on for some time 🙁
Smdh.... yall are the sick ones! He was found innocent and there is zero evidence that links him to it. Whats wrong with calling someones daddys littke girl? Literally thousands upon millions of fathers say that. Its sick that after all these years that yall still accuse the family. Yall should be mad at the police for how they handled this and how they were so dead set on arresting the parents that they ignored all other suspects or only tested the DNA samples found in her underwear aginst the family and when there wasnt a match they didn't run it in the datebase
@@froandcara no she didn't. She just said she knew who the killer was after talking to him which can mean anything. One of the best investors who is retired now that has a 100% success rate invested this and proved it wasnt them. Id take the word of a man who has a 100% success rate when it comes to finding a killer and convicting people over a regular cop who isn't trained in homicide. He debunked all the evidence the police had and all their theroys.
@@Lucifer_morningstar570 you’ll need to try harder to convince me it wasn’t the dad. Even if his DNA wasn’t found doesn’t mean he wasn’t complicit.
@@Lucifer_morningstar570 the parents were never arrested, charged or tried/ found not guilty
Facts tell us what happened. The individual letters on the note are Johns handwriting. John wrote in his book that Patsy had no idea what amount of bonus he had. John knew how to make a garrote and knots. John tore the tape off Jon Benets mouth. John carried her covered little body upstairs and put her on the floor. John wrote the note to scare Patsy into not phoning police but Patsy only read we have kidnapped your daughter. Patsy then called police. ..... John changed his plan to messing up the crime scene.... Johns original plan was to fly Burke and Patsy to their other house then fly back to get rid of her little body and no police there.... Burke and Patsy never had knowledge....
Something I find interesting about the handwriting is that I think people who spend a lot of time together can have similar handwriting. For example, I can recognize my handwriting pretty well and the only other writing I've mistaken for my own is my brother's. They look so similar that I actually thought it was my own. Also, One of my friends and I used to write stories together a lot when we were kids and I noticed we started to adapt certain elements from each other (for example she started making her "a"s like mine.) So it could be very possible that someone in the family wrote the note even if it wasn't Patsy.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does.
Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. John & Patsy never received subpoenas to appear & so they were prevented from testifying. They wrote to Governor Owens about this & he didn’t even reply. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there.
The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect.
The bits you Think you know about this case - Are NOT True.
*You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
I think similar handwriting runs in families. My cousin has my mom's exact handwriting but they did not correspond or see one another's writing a whole lot.
The idea that the letter was written on a notepad from within the home always got to me. This was another great video!! Thank you for doing this case!
I believe that they also found a practice letter on the same note paper in the wastebasket, so whoever wrote it wasn’t in a rush to leave the scene.
Same
@@jordynw8271 a practice ransom note?! When I'm in an unfamiliar house i can't even find a pen, a pad of paper, and a trash can without asking. Especially if someone is in a rush to not be seen....
@@SoulDelSol Exactly! What the hell is that about?! Oh bullshit I remember that now, that they found a notepad with either a draft of the note or maybe it was the impression from writing the original note? I have my memories of this case unfortunately mixed with the memory of losing my son the Sept before JonBenet died and I just forgot a few details about the latter...
It always bothered me that Patsy was still wearing the same clothes that she had worn to the party and had apparently never bothered to take her heavy makeup up off from the night before. She was planning to go out of town on a trip like that? Come on.
My ex used to do the eye block whenever confronted about trust-breaking things he had done.
John sets off my hinky meter.
same
John had a daughter with his ex-wife.
This first daughter died unexpectedly & tragically in a car accident.
Same. He would also look directly at me to make sure I could see how emotional he was when he started to try to use that to pull at heart strings.
He sets off my kinky meter too!
John has an extremely high executive function that makes me hesitate to put much weight behind his non-verbal reactions. He was a programmer, CEO, businessman, pilot, wasn't he in the military as well?
3 of those careers have much higher rate of psycopaths succceeding in them...
Yes
when patsy said "keep your babies close because there's someone out there", I cried actual tears
John's friend said John did not turn the light on when they found JonBenet. John lied in this interview .
Imo John seems to be holding back a smirk the whole interview
Yeah there’s something in the middle of a person’s face that seems to lift when they have a proto smile going on
Yes. I see duper's delight.
Whatever, he mostly seems cool as a cucumber. Crrrrreeeeeepppyyyyy
Yeah at the start of it I felt like I could see a smile in his eyes even when he was maybe keeping his mouth in somewhat control xx
I smile too when I’m scared or terrified that means nothing it’s just a way to deal with stress everyone deals with stress differently
I’ve always said that Patsy’s emotion seems genuine to me. Whether that emotion is due to referee,remorse,genuine grief I obviously don’t know but to me she genuinely loved her daughter had at the very least would sincerely feel regret and deep loss of something if accidentally happened and they chose to mishandle it regardless of the their reasons. The fact that she. Had to be so heavily medicated also suggest she is in fact extremely emotions, as would be expected. But so much else doesn’t add up. I believe one or both of the parents were involved in either an accidental death and cover up or the intentional and horrific murder of their daughter. The chances of this being a random intruder or a “small foreign faction” are pretty much slim to none.
If they were collaboratively covering something up, I can't understand why John would let his wife go on TV doped up and risk her falling apart and admitting everything.
Or he wasn't too worried about if she lets slip because the excuse would be, she's on drugs she doesn't know what she's talking about
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@@stacemw5355 Jeez lovey, just go back to Sleep.
@@bethryan9077 pardon?