This project was complex but fun to build. If you want to help me make more big projects check out my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/mariushornberger There's also additional content. Thanks to everybody who's already there.
Hey Marius. What's the toolchanger used by this build? Is this a universal solution or only available for the Hammer-Spindles? EDIT: Oh, I spotted it - it's a stepcraft one. I'd love to have one of those for a standard spindle - but I guess I would have to spend the extra 400€ for the mechatron one.
@@MariusHornberger Would you mind posting your code for the big tool length probing somewhere? I have been dealing with this exact problem for some time now and your solution is brilliant. I am using a completely different controller so the code will definitely be different, but having a place to start would be amazing.
I would recommend having all tools use the large tool pickup path just incase a large tool ends up where it shouldn't or doesn't have the large tool tag
Marius, you are, unequivocally, an inspiration to all of us. I'm old enough to be your dad and if I lived another 3 lifetimes I don't think I could get close to your sheer brilliance in conceptualising, designing and producing. Not only that, you're presenting it all for us in a second language!! Bravo to you sir, and bravo to your parents!!
Amazing project. Little note from a dev : You didn't need to make the distinction between a big tool and a small tool. You could just always make the big tool move even for small tools. It doesn't matter for a small tool if it makes the big tool move.
My thought on it was if the tool changer were to fail, the large bit removal movement will throw the bit at the workpiece and damage it. Doing separate movements reduces the risk as a small bit movement will just leave the bit behind in the holder safely
Yeah I thought that too. Also wondered why he didn't put a round plate that's as wide as his widest tool on top of that measuring 'button' then the tool will always push down on the plate, which in turn will depress the measuring tool
@@Stevie_evie i'm guessing he doesn't wanna mess with the actuator of the measuring button, since if you increase its width, you're increasing the off-axis force beyond what the designer intended (also then you'd have to figure out how to attach it)
Marius, what a tremendous amount of work and great enginering. I am an engineer myself by proffesion, but seeing you do this, takes my respect. Considering, 2 years ago, you were making shelves and those little "simple" projects and now achieving this, my deep and honest respect and compliments. Only a few will do this and this demands great perseverance. You're really a champ.
This is the pure art of engineering. It really inspires people to start planning more advanced projects themselves. Keep going, Marius! I am looking forward to what you can do with this machine.
Wow, you just always raise the bar, the fact you engineered this from scratch is quiet unbelievable, you are a huge talent Marius, great content and great guy, can’t wait for the new apartment over engineering vids 😜
He's German, so yeah, I will fully admit that "the master race" concept was not a myth of some cookie guy 100 years ago. Settle down, I can say that, I'm a Slav, LOL. This was impressive and beautiful. The perfection in its purest form!
@@thunderstruck1078 above their somewhat refined social structure, the country has a good education system, which is mostly free. If you are a self motivated, highly intelligent individual with a positive attitude, you can get a lot back from this. Doesn't matter on your race.
@@berkasal4526 It matters. Not on the level of individuals, but group differences do exist. That's undeniable. Every ethnic group builds a different type of society. Who gave the Germans a great education system? Did it fall from the sky or had they painstakingly built it from the ground up over "a millennia". Others might disagree, but I think they simply build the best type of a society. Japanese are very similar. Like Germans of the Far East. English and French too, but they are kinda tired of having sovereignty and self-determination, so unfortunately both of those groups are on their "way out" (not much more than a couple of hundred years). And BTW, I think you might have misunderstood me, I never said no one else can succeed. That's preposterous and obviously false. What did you mean by "you can get a lot back from this"? I did not quite understand that part.
That is absolutely some of the best machining and engineering I've ever seen! I can't believe that Hammer hasn't reached out to you to add that tool changer to their lineup. You've done all the work, they should just pay you a huge amount and employ you full time! Amazing!
My father was an engineer and, like you, seemed able to make just about anything with his lathes and drills. I'm no engineer myself, and often have only the vaguest notion of what you are doing, but I am always impressed by your skill and problem solving abilities.
I’m not even halfway through the vid yet, but I simply have to compliment you for the genius work with how you have clipped all the video material and named the cams so far. Love the subtle hints and humor and the quality of not just your work on the project but also documenting it, is amazing!
Marius du bist ein Genie... Hoffe du kannst mit dem Wissen auch in deinem Job irgendwann mal gläzen... Bewerbungsmappe brauchst du nicht , die ist ja online. :)
All I can say is that the video is 36 minute, 29 second and I enjoyed every second of it... The project itself is a big challenge and you made it seem soo easy.. You are very talented and professional. BRAVO ( welldone )
I’m sitting here with a huge smile on my face watching this amazing young man do quite extraordinary work. Your skill, ingenuity and presentation skills are a pleasure to behold. Can’t wait to see what you come up with next, though this one will be tough act to follow.
Being a carpenter for 40 years the only tool changer was my hands. It's so good to see these changes in wood working lol working .. work smarter not harder , great job congrats. Good to see young men like you doing what your doing thank you
This is some next level engineering. Watched the whole thing because it was very interesting and well done. One note about your final test however - your before ATC cut was a one sided cut - the bit was not cutting a slot it was cutting on an edge. Your after ATC cut was cutting a deep slot. You actually expect the cut quality to be better in that scenario - the bit is essentially supported on both sides by the material leading to very little possibility of chatter. It's much more load on the spindle, but it should be a great surface finish. I have no doubt that it's much more capable now, but it wasn't an apples to apples comparison. Regardless, amazingly well done!!
Konsequent einfach umgesetzt was technisch maximal möglich ist!! Egal wie Steil und steinig der Weg bis zum Ziel ist! Hartnäckig bleiben, bringt einem weiter! BRAVO!
Absolutely brilliant, and always so funny. I'd only warn of maintaining the collets every so often in case they built up with compacted dust, and begin to push the tool out - that was a problem I had at my workplace. Congratulation again on a successful upgrade.
I love this, less complicated than the cnc machining centers I run at work. Sometimes they alarm out during the tool change and the swing arm gets stuck, and it can sometimes be time consuming and difficult to fix. I would love to have a home workspace and do all sorts of DIY stuff like this, but alas I have neither the time, money, nor room.
You and Mattias Wandel are the two smartest young men that I have ever seen. I'm well aware that you both encounter severally difficult problems to resolve, however this is what sets you apart from the rest of us. I am truly impressed with the skills that God has given you and your ability to use them. Job well done. And thank you for the effort you put in for the videos that allow us to see the fine projects you conquer.
Phenomenal project Marius! Corporations have teams that build products like this and you did it on your own. You're a terrific engineer and not so bad comedian. :)
I am really impressed! I love seeing young people tackle engineering challenges and being successful with their approach to the different issues they come upon. I retired just short of two years ago and I see so many people just stumbling around who really have never focused on a certain skill set. Then I see young people who have multiple skill sets and the desire to learn more. Great Job young man!
Wow! What a neat, practical and well thought out project, that's presented in an informative and entertaining way. Kudos to you Marius! The company that supplied your CNC should definitely hire you to design and test new hardware for their machines.
Endlich jemand das sowas baut. Beschäftige mich seit ein paar Wochen mit cnc cam cad. Irgendwann sah ich bei den Profi Maschinen auch so einen Werkzeugwechsler, nur etwas teuer. Soll in Zukunft auch sowas modernes sein.
Ich finde es immer so befriedigend wenn ich sehe dass du auch bei den unscheinbaren Details immer versuchst diese möglichst gut auszuführen, egal wie unnötig diese eigendlich wären, da der Perfektionismus an den Stellen keinen Einfluss auf die Funktion hätte 👍 Bin selber ein Perfektionist, evtl sagen mir die Detailarbeiten deshalb so besonders zu :)
This is AWESOME. FELDER should pay you for all the wonderful improvements you made to their CNC and offer this improved machine to the world . Felder; please, are you listening ?
Excellent as always!!! Just a thought: If you used the "big tool" movement in your software for "all tools", then you could simplify your tool table (where you tell the software if the tool is big or not) by not needing that attribute. All of the tool changes would now be the same. Thanks!!
Wow, Not sure whats more impressive, the complexity and quality of your project, or you have so much free time for a personal just because project like this! Most of us just dream of having these machines stock! Very impressive for sure.
Words can't describe the satisfaction I get from watching your videos, Marius. Great project as to be expected from you, a real gem in a TH-cam landscape full of rather questionable amounts of thought and precision.
Cool idea, but it would only work if you only ever needed one output activated at a time. I wondered whether you could use the time dimension - essentially doing a single or double click on an output to provide two signals from each output. It's a kludge, but it might avoid a lot of mechanical complexity.
A few years late at this point, but I had the same idea. Maybe have one output dedicated for the most important thing (Tool changer?), then multiplex the remaining 2 bits for 5 total outputs. The dust collector can use some type of latching relay so it can work with a temporary pulse, and I do not see why the movement and compressed air would ever need to trigger at the same time.
I felt that “cool…” lol We’ve all been so deep in a project that you can’t even really celebrate when it finally works because you’re exhausted and sort of irritated that it took this long to finally work… so the most excitement you can muster is “Oh.. cool.” hahaha I had that reaction recently when I changed my own tire on my motorcycle and had to align the wheel and tension the chain and everything myself with no experience, half the tools I needed and no motorcycle stand… I was bleeding, sweaty, exhausted, bruised and when I finally saw everything aligned perfectly I literally went “Oh.. nice.” and I dropped my tool on the floor and went inside for a “snap”.. that’s a snack nap.
Would really like to see the touch probe build, as it would improve my own workflow massively as well! Otherwise, great job designing and building the upgrades :)
As someone who programmed coordinate measuring machines with touch probes in the past, I would be absolutely insterested to see how he created his own.
Echt beeindruckend was du entwickelst und in welcher Qualität du unterwegs bist. Da kann man nur ehrfürchtig zuschauen und staunen! Danke für die Einblicke und weiter so!
I don't even have a CNC ( but I'm researching a tiny one ) but found your video fascinating on all fronts. Thank you for making such informative and entertaining content. Cheers, JAYTEE
Marius, I have enjoyed watching your ingenious projects over the last two years, I have to say, this automatic tool changer is the totally cool! I cannot believe how you design, manufacture and assemble all of these wonderful innovations!!!! Job Well Done!! Thank you!!
Marius, this is absolutely amazing. Out of curiosity though, for how you set up different movements for different sized bits - why not just have the tool holder move up high enough to reach the end of the holder only, then move out of the way but for all bits? As in, the movement programmed for your surfacing bit, just use that movement for all tool holder changes. I suppose the only disadvantage I can see is it taking a tad longer for standard bits.
@@MariusHornberger I was wondering the same thing. Essentially the case for the larger tools was added after the fact. I assume the trick with length is also tied into that code which makes it a bit more difficult to streamline. Not enough benefit to do it.
@@MariusHornberger I was wondering how the big tool routine knew when to stop probing the length of the tool when it tries to detect one of the flutes on the tool, did you tell it the min length of the tool or are they all sort of the same length so you know when to retract and look for one of the other flutes? Oh and that stop spindle and lift it above the surface routine could do both things at the same time so you could speed that up a bit too! :-)
Inserting a nozzle that blows air on the tool before the new coupling to eliminate any residual dust would be a real touch of class!! Wonderful realisation, great.
I am only 8min in and very impressed. You made a comment about loosing heat treatment on the linear rails cutting them with the grinder.. One of the Most useful tools I have bought was the porta-band saw and I made a stand to hold it up right. $100 bucks for harbor freight brand and a direct copy of Milwaukee. But I use it way more often than I ever thought. Same with my2x72 belt grinder. I use it almost daily as well. I once cut a rail road track in half with the little bandsaw and it was less than a minute or two. Okay back to watching!
My dearest friend, you are incredibly talented and well-intentioned. You have made a clear, educational, simple explanation and a lot of effort. Health to your hands.
Hey Marius! For some extra soft close goodness you could get some damping grease and apply it to the linear bearings. ToT has a great video on _rotary dampers_ that demonstrates the stuff. Actually, I'm a moron. The gantry movement makes it soft close 😅
Really genius idea! The sliding-in magazine is awesome! What impressed me so much was it didn't have any external drives so slide it in. That was really great!
As a programmer i just love seeing things get animated with auto systems. Its a weird paradox, we build our self into irrelevance, yet we regret nothing. Cool work!
Always, and I mean always, impressed Marius. You really outdid yourself this time and it is good to see the official "Marius Hornberger Engineering" taking its rightful place = )
@John Smith I saw "Marius Hornberger Engineering" just in scanning the comments, and quickly came back to see if, in fact, he had set up a company. What is the expression? "Shut up, and take my MONEY!!!"
Great job on this whole project! I as an engineer by profession and cnc machinist with 35 years of practice , can say you built this perfectly Id have designed this project the same way , with a great design that wasn't over complicated, but still perfectly functional , and the learning experience of troubleshooting and testing will only increase your abilities on future projects. Keep up the great work !
Ok, I watch a lot of TH-cam videos because I have a lot of interests and lately one of them is research to learn about cnc routers so i can build one. This is way beyond anything I could do or even have a use for, but I watched the whole thing ( I often skip through long vids ) because I find it fascinating and awesome that a hobbyist could do something like this.
Brilliant project and the cut quality with the bits is amazing now - can't wait to see the control arm project. Also, while the 1:5 lever arrangement is impressive I'm just curious why you didn't go with an electromechanical version - I know you said that you had a lack of outputs on the controller but if you are moving the gantry back to change bits anyway then a simple microswitch would have lost you only a few millimetres in cutting space and you could have controlled a stepper motor or servo or air piston. That said the mechanical version that you can up with is pretty impressive and works great.
I see that this is a year old, and you've probably already thought of this, but just in case... Use the "Big Tool" subroutine as the standard. Just do it for all the tools, eliminating several lines of code. Install a plate on top of your tool measuring device that is slightly larger that your largest tool, then eliminate the "Large Tool Measuring" subroutine from the tool measuring process.
First class tool changer, all that amazing work, all that editing and what am I going to praise? That's right, it has to be 'screwdriver cam' - awesome! Thank you Marius :)
You are a genius who build great things......Youŕe awesome.....Greetings from an electronics and telecommunication engineer from Chile! A big hug mate!
What you can do for tools that are not in the tool rack is leave the last slot open, then when a tool is needed that is not there, have the program bring the tool changer back but out of the way, with the tool rack forward. then you drop the tool into the empty slot, after which you will signal the tool changer that it is there and can continue. and at that point also let it know if it is big or small.
Wonderful stuff. My old dad, who was a trained tool and die maker early in his career, would’ve been fascinated by all this, and a huge fan, Marius. Wishing you continued success, sir.
You could share the dust collection control channel. You don't need dust collection when changing tools. When you want to change tools, clear the head from where the tool rack will move to, then turn off dust collection, which will also move the tool rack in reach.
Very impressive! I work for an automation integration company and they would be lucky to have an engineer like you. In addition your video skills are second to none. I've watched your channel from the beginning and been very impressed. You and your family should be very proud of you hard work and results.
Hi Marius, well I take my het off to you young man, that is the best upgrade of a CNC I have ever seen, I used to work and program CNC 10 times the size of yours but never the less you have done brilliantly, so well done, I will certainly watch out for more of your videos, thank you for sharing
I used to try to design everything like this, with a bunch of cam surfaces and fiddly mechanical adjustments that were subject to debris, drift, and misalignment. Today I would handle the extension/retraction of the tool table with either a couple of air cylinders that drove it right up to a hard stop, or servos, rather than relying on the precise position of the gantry. A single acting air cylinder can drive it to position and it can return via spring tension, and honestly a pair of cylinders and a solenoid are ultimately less expensive than dozens of hours trying to figure out kinematics and build the necessarioly precise parts.
Love it, I work at the Felder Group and I’m amazed by the ingenuity that went into this project to make the HNC even better. Keep up your amazing work!
With CNC milling/router machines their Achilles heel has always been the time it takes to do a tool change (machine has to return to zero position, do the tool change then return to the cutting position) so machine tool manufactures use travelling tool changers which move along the the machine the same as the spindle does, to avoid this problem. Being in Germany i am sure you will be familiar with Elumatic profile milling/router machines which use travelling tool changers. On a machine like yours a travelling tool changer is not necessary as the distance to travel is short and not too time consuming but on an industrial size machine in a production setting where time is money a travelling tool changer is a god send. Maybe a project for the future!! Keep up the good work, i love this type of videos, i have been a NC/CNC machinist for 55years and the advancement of technologies in that time have been staggering, where will it all end.
For measuring larger diameter tools, the CNC machines that I have operated (Specifically a HAAS VF-2) will rotate the tool opposite the cutting direction while offsetting to the side as you mentioned in the video at 26:12 as it approaches the probe. This method ensures that the lowest cutting surface contacts the probe and is used for the tool length offset. It will also approach the probe a second time at a slower feed to ensure an accurate measurement.
I just watched this video yesterday and really enjoyed it. Today I am watching the previous video with your automatic Dust shoe. On 12:50 you mentioned having trouble with the Finder Relays controlling the pneumatic valve: Now with said video about the dust shoe I saw you connected the valve directly between the relay - this is has caused premature wear on the relay contacts. When the Relay turns off and disconnects the Coil from supply, the built up magnetic field in the coil collapses and since it has no where to go induces a Voltage to itself which could reach hundreds to thousands of volts causing a spark across both of the relay contacts. These sparks burn away the plating and the contacts itself, leading to switching issues. The solution to suppress this should be a flyback diode, or VDR connected to the coil. Your new SSRs do have these (next to the NPN Transistor on the diagram), but I just friendly wanted you to know - maybe for your next upgrades... :P Source: State-certified technical engineer.
WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW! I don’t know what you are talking about or doing! However I adore watching and listening to you. You make watchable videos even for folk like me (non engineer, 64 yrs and never makes anything) to enjoy. I would love to do what you do but today it’s not going to happen so my pleasure comes via your work. Please don’t stop, please keep up your valuable narration, please keep all the fascinating camera positions!! Bob England
With so much time and effort you put into this excellent project I hope somehow you find someone willing to offer you a commercial deal so you can get a nice return for everything you have done. You're a real talent and you deserve a reward for your efforts.
Marius, ich schaue deine Video´s fast seit deinen Angfängen. Mit diesem Video hast du dich mal wieder selbst übertroffen. In so jungen Jahren, soviel technischen Wissen und Können, echt Klasse! Gruß Markus
It's amazing how long i have been watching this channel and you always amaze and inspire my creativity, now if i could get the guts to make videos and put myself out there... Thanks for sharing!
Great work! There might be a flaw in the measurement of big tools, the cause can be seen at 27:08 - the tool might rotate due to one of the measurements, which may cause the measurement at the so far known lowest location to differ in case of a huge rotation.
You could just get a really big compressor tank, maybe one with a broken compressor and then hook up an cheapish to okay working compressor- maybe it can't keep up 1:1 with how much you use, but that's usually not a problem with enough capacity. That's what we've done- it's a huge tank but only cost 200 dollars (the thing is probably 7 feet tall, huge)- we hooked up the cheapest home depot compressor to it, took half a day filling it the first time and now you can use that thing all day without the compressor, then just top it all off when your done if you don't want the noise. Very neat project! I can't wait to build my CNC machine! Learning laser cutting/engraving first.
the movement of the tool changer could be easily done by 2 stepper motor and 2 switches. one could be at the end of y axes to start the motor and other on the changer side to stop the motor at desired position, or it could have 2, one for each motor for perfect alignment. also big tool movement could be implemented for all tools so the movement for large tool wont need to huge, just until the y switch is off and the tool changer would be out of the way. anyway great project, i wrote this for anyone who try to build something similar
Wonderful work, great great video. My favorite quote from the video: "[...] I don't know how to describe it, it's amazing. Especially since it also works!"
Dear Marius, another tech improvement would be etching (chemically or CNC) a unique vertical bar-code number on the body (shaft) of every tool, a small scanner on the moving tower could scan all the tools positions upon power up and find every tool bar-code number, a table in the software will do the rest. So no matter where you put the tools in the rack, the machine will identify them. Vertical bar code means every bar-code stripe will be all around the tool shaft, easy readable. Code39 or Code128 are good candidates and very easy to decode.
Outstanding engineering skills you have Marus. You must have the patients of a saint. Anyway, fantastic tool changer build maybe some of the CNC manufacturers should get in touch with yourself as I think you have so much to offer, Thanks for sharing.
Trumpf's toolchanger does something similar, but their software desides what tool is needed for the job, the software reads the tool specifications from a database, decides where in the tool holder the tools should be placed to achive the shortest runtime for the job. Newer models reads a barcode/QR-code that tells the machine what tool it is and the set length of it. On the older machines you have to put in the tool length manually when loading to job, it's been many years since I worked with Trumpf 500 and 6000.
I don’t know much about CNC but even I know that cut at the end was ridiculous! I’ve never seen a CNC blast through material that fast… it felt wrong and kinda fake, but it just proves that good engineering and quality tools make a world of difference!
This project was complex but fun to build. If you want to help me make more big projects check out my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/mariushornberger
There's also additional content. Thanks to everybody who's already there.
Hey Marius. What's the toolchanger used by this build? Is this a universal solution or only available for the Hammer-Spindles? EDIT: Oh, I spotted it - it's a stepcraft one. I'd love to have one of those for a standard spindle - but I guess I would have to spend the extra 400€ for the mechatron one.
see the video description
@@MariusHornberger Would you mind posting your code for the big tool length probing somewhere? I have been dealing with this exact problem for some time now and your solution is brilliant. I am using a completely different controller so the code will definitely be different, but having a place to start would be amazing.
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I would recommend having all tools use the large tool pickup path just incase a large tool ends up where it shouldn't or doesn't have the large tool tag
It's the year 2213, Marius has CNCed himself a new body, he has just completed his 3723rd version of the spoil board, definitely his best one yet.
who says he doesnt have the parts already ?
@@bazingabert3346 True, he is working on it now, hehe
Time machine into the future cam
Ha ha ha
By then 3d printing would be molecular assembly
Marius, you are, unequivocally, an inspiration to all of us. I'm old enough to be your dad and if I lived another 3 lifetimes I don't think I could get close to your sheer brilliance in conceptualising, designing and producing. Not only that, you're presenting it all for us in a second language!! Bravo to you sir, and bravo to your parents!!
I really enjoyed the “like it’s nothing cam” (also, awesome tool changer!)
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Wow, SMH is here. Collab vid?
@@sirculito15893 they both live in completely different countries
I was just thinking of this other yt channel called stuff made here and voila.
great seeing you here!
Amazing project.
Little note from a dev : You didn't need to make the distinction between a big tool and a small tool. You could just always make the big tool move even for small tools. It doesn't matter for a small tool if it makes the big tool move.
I was thinking the same thing
Marius went swiss calibration on it haha
My thought on it was if the tool changer were to fail, the large bit removal movement will throw the bit at the workpiece and damage it. Doing separate movements reduces the risk as a small bit movement will just leave the bit behind in the holder safely
Yeah I thought that too. Also wondered why he didn't put a round plate that's as wide as his widest tool on top of that measuring 'button' then the tool will always push down on the plate, which in turn will depress the measuring tool
@@Stevie_evie i'm guessing he doesn't wanna mess with the actuator of the measuring button, since if you increase its width, you're increasing the off-axis force beyond what the designer intended (also then you'd have to figure out how to attach it)
Marius, what a tremendous amount of work and great enginering. I am an engineer myself by proffesion, but seeing you do this, takes my respect. Considering, 2 years ago, you were making shelves and those little "simple" projects and now achieving this, my deep and honest respect and compliments. Only a few will do this and this demands great perseverance. You're really a champ.
Thanks a lot.
This is the pure art of engineering. It really inspires people to start planning more advanced projects themselves. Keep going, Marius! I am looking forward to what you can do with this machine.
Wow, you just always raise the bar, the fact you engineered this from scratch is quiet unbelievable, you are a huge talent Marius, great content and great guy, can’t wait for the new apartment over engineering vids 😜
Couldn't have said it better!
He's German, so yeah, I will fully admit that "the master race" concept was not a myth of some cookie guy 100 years ago.
Settle down, I can say that, I'm a Slav, LOL.
This was impressive and beautiful. The perfection in its purest form!
@@thunderstruck1078 above their somewhat refined social structure, the country has a good education system, which is mostly free. If you are a self motivated, highly intelligent individual with a positive attitude, you can get a lot back from this. Doesn't matter on your race.
@@berkasal4526 It matters. Not on the level of individuals, but group differences do exist. That's undeniable. Every ethnic group builds a different type of society.
Who gave the Germans a great education system? Did it fall from the sky or had they painstakingly built it from the ground up over "a millennia".
Others might disagree, but I think they simply build the best type of a society. Japanese are very similar. Like Germans of the Far East.
English and French too, but they are kinda tired of having sovereignty and self-determination, so unfortunately both of those groups are on their "way out" (not much more than a couple of hundred years).
And BTW, I think you might have misunderstood me, I never said no one else can succeed. That's preposterous and obviously false.
What did you mean by "you can get a lot back from this"? I did not quite understand that part.
That is absolutely some of the best machining and engineering I've ever seen! I can't believe that Hammer hasn't reached out to you to add that tool changer to their lineup. You've done all the work, they should just pay you a huge amount and employ you full time! Amazing!
I would get that patent applied for so fast........ unless this sort of thing has been done before... ?
send them the video for him. whoever they are
I can't imagine how much it must have cost to buy all those specialist cameras.
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The lathe beard was the best of them
Have to check the bank balance cam
My father was an engineer and, like you, seemed able to make just about anything with his lathes and drills. I'm no engineer myself, and often have only the vaguest notion of what you are doing, but I am always impressed by your skill and problem solving abilities.
In my experience, projects like this are developed and tested by a team. The fact that you are the team is very impressive! Well done!!!!
sometimes too many heads is too much overhead. Maybe that's where the term comes from.
No true! His father looked from the side to ensure proper drill alignment! Duh! 🙃
Germans are the best engineers
I’m not even halfway through the vid yet, but I simply have to compliment you for the genius work with how you have clipped all the video material and named the cams so far. Love the subtle hints and humor and the quality of not just your work on the project but also documenting it, is amazing!
Marius du bist ein Genie...
Hoffe du kannst mit dem Wissen auch in deinem Job irgendwann mal gläzen... Bewerbungsmappe brauchst du nicht , die ist ja online. :)
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All I can say is that the video is 36 minute, 29 second and I enjoyed every second of it...
The project itself is a big challenge and you made it seem soo easy.. You are very talented and professional. BRAVO ( welldone )
I’m sitting here with a huge smile on my face watching this amazing young man do quite extraordinary work. Your skill, ingenuity and presentation skills are a pleasure to behold. Can’t wait to see what you come up with next, though this one will be tough act to follow.
Being a carpenter for 40 years the only tool changer was my hands. It's so good to see these changes in wood working lol working .. work smarter not harder , great job congrats. Good to see young men like you doing what your doing thank you
This is some next level engineering. Watched the whole thing because it was very interesting and well done. One note about your final test however - your before ATC cut was a one sided cut - the bit was not cutting a slot it was cutting on an edge. Your after ATC cut was cutting a deep slot. You actually expect the cut quality to be better in that scenario - the bit is essentially supported on both sides by the material leading to very little possibility of chatter. It's much more load on the spindle, but it should be a great surface finish. I have no doubt that it's much more capable now, but it wasn't an apples to apples comparison. Regardless, amazingly well done!!
Konsequent einfach umgesetzt was technisch maximal möglich ist!! Egal wie Steil und steinig der Weg bis zum Ziel ist! Hartnäckig bleiben, bringt einem weiter! BRAVO!
Absolutely brilliant, and always so funny. I'd only warn of maintaining the collets every so often in case they built up with compacted dust, and begin to push the tool out - that was a problem I had at my workplace. Congratulation again on a successful upgrade.
He could use the air nozzles to blow it off every time
Thanks for the hint!
Hmm why don't just actuate a limit switch with the gantry and shift the tool rack via pneumatic?
I love this, less complicated than the cnc machining centers I run at work. Sometimes they alarm out during the tool change and the swing arm gets stuck, and it can sometimes be time consuming and difficult to fix. I would love to have a home workspace and do all sorts of DIY stuff like this, but alas I have neither the time, money, nor room.
You and Mattias Wandel are the two smartest young men that I have ever seen. I'm well aware that you both encounter severally difficult problems to resolve, however this is what sets you apart from the rest of us. I am truly impressed with the skills that God has given you and your ability to use them. Job well done. And thank you for the effort you put in for the videos that allow us to see the fine projects you conquer.
Phenomenal project Marius! Corporations have teams that build products like this and you did it on your own. You're a terrific engineer and not so bad comedian. :)
I am really impressed! I love seeing young people tackle engineering challenges and being successful with their approach to the different issues they come upon. I retired just short of two years ago and I see so many people just stumbling around who really have never focused on a certain skill set. Then I see young people who have multiple skill sets and the desire to learn more.
Great Job young man!
Wow! What a neat, practical and well thought out project, that's presented in an informative and entertaining way. Kudos to you Marius! The company that supplied your CNC should definitely hire you to design and test new hardware for their machines.
Endlich jemand das sowas baut. Beschäftige mich seit ein paar Wochen mit cnc cam cad. Irgendwann sah ich bei den Profi Maschinen auch so einen Werkzeugwechsler, nur etwas teuer. Soll in Zukunft auch sowas modernes sein.
Einfach nur beeindruckend! Ich freu mich schon auf die nächsten CNC-Videos und den Tastkopf!
Ich finde es immer so befriedigend wenn ich sehe dass du auch bei den unscheinbaren Details immer versuchst diese möglichst gut auszuführen, egal wie unnötig diese eigendlich wären, da der Perfektionismus an den Stellen keinen Einfluss auf die Funktion hätte 👍 Bin selber ein Perfektionist, evtl sagen mir die Detailarbeiten deshalb so besonders zu :)
Danke. Wenn du wüsstest was es noch alles an Details gibt, die nicht im Video sind. Macht halt einfach Spaß
This is AWESOME. FELDER should pay you for all the wonderful improvements you made to their CNC and offer this improved machine to the world . Felder; please, are you listening ?
Excellent as always!!! Just a thought: If you used the "big tool" movement in your software for "all tools", then you could simplify your tool table (where you tell the software if the tool is big or not) by not needing that attribute. All of the tool changes would now be the same. Thanks!!
Well said!
Aha, but if he did that it would slow down normal tool changes
Wow, Not sure whats more impressive, the complexity and quality of your project, or you have so much free time for a personal just because project like this! Most of us just dream of having these machines stock! Very impressive for sure.
Words can't describe the satisfaction I get from watching your videos, Marius. Great project as to be expected from you, a real gem in a TH-cam landscape full of rather questionable amounts of thought and precision.
Glued to every second of it!... A definite "YES" to the DIY probe project please.
Thank you so much.
If you have 3 outputs on your board, you could multiplex them (maybe?) so that way you have 3 bits you can play with = 8 possible controls.
Cool idea, but it would only work if you only ever needed one output activated at a time. I wondered whether you could use the time dimension - essentially doing a single or double click on an output to provide two signals from each output. It's a kludge, but it might avoid a lot of mechanical complexity.
A few years late at this point, but I had the same idea. Maybe have one output dedicated for the most important thing (Tool changer?), then multiplex the remaining 2 bits for 5 total outputs. The dust collector can use some type of latching relay so it can work with a temporary pulse, and I do not see why the movement and compressed air would ever need to trigger at the same time.
I felt that “cool…” lol
We’ve all been so deep in a project that you can’t even really celebrate when it finally works because you’re exhausted and sort of irritated that it took this long to finally work… so the most excitement you can muster is “Oh.. cool.” hahaha
I had that reaction recently when I changed my own tire on my motorcycle and had to align the wheel and tension the chain and everything myself with no experience, half the tools I needed and no motorcycle stand… I was bleeding, sweaty, exhausted, bruised and when I finally saw everything aligned perfectly I literally went “Oh.. nice.” and I dropped my tool on the floor and went inside for a “snap”.. that’s a snack nap.
for me its "holy fuck finally"
Would really like to see the touch probe build, as it would improve my own workflow massively as well!
Otherwise, great job designing and building the upgrades :)
As someone who programmed coordinate measuring machines with touch probes in the past, I would be absolutely insterested to see how he created his own.
Echt beeindruckend was du entwickelst und in welcher Qualität du unterwegs bist. Da kann man nur ehrfürchtig zuschauen und staunen! Danke für die Einblicke und weiter so!
I don't even have a CNC ( but I'm researching a tiny one ) but found your video fascinating on all fronts. Thank you for making such informative and entertaining content. Cheers, JAYTEE
Marius, I have enjoyed watching your ingenious projects over the last two years, I have to say, this automatic tool changer is the totally cool! I cannot believe how you design, manufacture and assemble all of these wonderful innovations!!!!
Job Well Done!! Thank you!!
Marius, this is absolutely amazing. Out of curiosity though, for how you set up different movements for different sized bits - why not just have the tool holder move up high enough to reach the end of the holder only, then move out of the way but for all bits? As in, the movement programmed for your surfacing bit, just use that movement for all tool holder changes. I suppose the only disadvantage I can see is it taking a tad longer for standard bits.
The way things are now came from the order I wrote the code. The big tool routine would work for everything
@@MariusHornberger I was wondering the same thing. Essentially the case for the larger tools was added after the fact.
I assume the trick with length is also tied into that code which makes it a bit more difficult to streamline. Not enough benefit to do it.
@@MariusHornberger I was wondering how the big tool routine knew when to stop probing the length of the tool when it tries to detect one of the flutes on the tool, did you tell it the min length of the tool or are they all sort of the same length so you know when to retract and look for one of the other flutes?
Oh and that stop spindle and lift it above the surface routine could do both things at the same time so you could speed that up a bit too! :-)
Inserting a nozzle that blows air on the tool before the new coupling to eliminate any residual dust would be a real touch of class!! Wonderful realisation, great.
Yes, I would like to know more about your 3D probe. Please do a video (or two) covering it if you haven't already.
I am only 8min in and very impressed. You made a comment about loosing heat treatment on the linear rails cutting them with the grinder.. One of the Most useful tools I have bought was the porta-band saw and I made a stand to hold it up right. $100 bucks for harbor freight brand and a direct copy of Milwaukee. But I use it way more often than I ever thought. Same with my2x72 belt grinder. I use it almost daily as well. I once cut a rail road track in half with the little bandsaw and it was less than a minute or two. Okay back to watching!
Absolutely fantastic Marius. Enjoyed every minute, and laughed, a lot, too! Love your channel, been following since the early days.
My dearest friend, you are incredibly talented and well-intentioned. You have made a clear, educational, simple explanation and a lot of effort. Health to your hands.
Awesome work!
Maybe make all tools "big tools". It doesn't harm and reduces complexity.
And most important you don't have to remember to mark new tool as big anymore.
Your mechanical solution was way more satisfying than a stand alone limit switch firing a solenoid for the pneumatic option. Well done
Hey Marius! For some extra soft close goodness you could get some damping grease and apply it to the linear bearings.
ToT has a great video on _rotary dampers_ that demonstrates the stuff.
Actually, I'm a moron. The gantry movement makes it soft close 😅
I actually programmed a soft close gantry movement for the last couple millimeters
Really genius idea! The sliding-in magazine is awesome! What impressed me so much was it didn't have any external drives so slide it in. That was really great!
As a programmer i just love seeing things get animated with auto systems.
Its a weird paradox, we build our self into irrelevance, yet we regret nothing.
Cool work!
user mach3
WOW! Brilliant..... I am not a wood worker, but I can understand the complexity, and I appreciate the problem solving methodology....
Big tool, small tool, just treat all tool as big tool and you'll eliminate a complication. Remember, engineering is all about making things simpler.
Amazing work. Utilising the machines own movement to actuate the tool holder was pure genius.
Always, and I mean always, impressed Marius. You really outdid yourself this time and it is good to see the official "Marius Hornberger Engineering" taking its rightful place = )
@John Smith I saw "Marius Hornberger Engineering" just in scanning the comments, and quickly came back to see if, in fact, he had set up a company.
What is the expression? "Shut up, and take my MONEY!!!"
Great job on this whole project! I as an engineer by profession and cnc machinist with 35 years of practice , can say you built this perfectly Id have designed this project the same way , with a great design that wasn't over complicated, but still perfectly functional , and the learning experience of troubleshooting and testing will only increase your abilities on future projects. Keep up the great work !
Ok, I watch a lot of TH-cam videos because I have a lot of interests and lately one of them is research to learn about cnc routers so i can build one. This is way beyond anything I could do or even have a use for, but I watched the whole thing ( I often skip through long vids ) because I find it fascinating and awesome that a hobbyist could do something like this.
Brilliant project and the cut quality with the bits is amazing now - can't wait to see the control arm project. Also, while the 1:5 lever arrangement is impressive I'm just curious why you didn't go with an electromechanical version - I know you said that you had a lack of outputs on the controller but if you are moving the gantry back to change bits anyway then a simple microswitch would have lost you only a few millimetres in cutting space and you could have controlled a stepper motor or servo or air piston. That said the mechanical version that you can up with is pretty impressive and works great.
Cost I would think is why it's fully mechanical
@@Mage_Dragon a micro switch is like 7$
I see that this is a year old, and you've probably already thought of this, but just in case...
Use the "Big Tool" subroutine as the standard. Just do it for all the tools, eliminating several lines of code.
Install a plate on top of your tool measuring device that is slightly larger that your largest tool, then eliminate the "Large Tool Measuring" subroutine from the tool measuring process.
Good work Marius! :)
Omg u actually prefilmed saying "hey its me from the past" the amount of preparation is phenomenal
Amazing!! Question for you on your defining big tool small tool, would it be easier to treat all tool as big tool?
First class tool changer, all that amazing work, all that editing and what am I going to praise? That's right, it has to be 'screwdriver cam' - awesome! Thank you Marius :)
You are a genius who build great things......Youŕe awesome.....Greetings from an electronics and telecommunication engineer from Chile! A big hug mate!
This is exceptional and without a doubt the best ATC design I've seen - superb work well done!
That was a super pleasurable video to watch, alot of work but so much gain. You now have such a powerful machine to multiply your project capability
What you can do for tools that are not in the tool rack is leave the last slot open, then when a tool is needed that is not there, have the program bring the tool changer back but out of the way, with the tool rack forward. then you drop the tool into the empty slot, after which you will signal the tool changer that it is there and can continue. and at that point also let it know if it is big or small.
Wonderful stuff.
My old dad, who was a trained tool and die maker early in his career, would’ve been fascinated by all this, and a huge fan, Marius.
Wishing you continued success, sir.
You could share the dust collection control channel. You don't need dust collection when changing tools. When you want to change tools, clear the head from where the tool rack will move to, then turn off dust collection, which will also move the tool rack in reach.
Very impressive! I work for an automation integration company and they would be lucky to have an engineer like you. In addition your video skills are second to none. I've watched your channel from the beginning and been very impressed. You and your family should be very proud of you hard work and results.
Hi Marius, well I take my het off to you young man, that is the best upgrade of a CNC I have ever seen, I used to work and program CNC 10 times the size of yours but never the less you have done brilliantly, so well done, I will certainly watch out for more of your videos, thank you for sharing
I used to try to design everything like this, with a bunch of cam surfaces and fiddly mechanical adjustments that were subject to debris, drift, and misalignment. Today I would handle the extension/retraction of the tool table with either a couple of air cylinders that drove it right up to a hard stop, or servos, rather than relying on the precise position of the gantry. A single acting air cylinder can drive it to position and it can return via spring tension, and honestly a pair of cylinders and a solenoid are ultimately less expensive than dozens of hours trying to figure out kinematics and build the necessarioly precise parts.
Love it, I work at the Felder Group and I’m amazed by the ingenuity that went into this project to make the HNC even better. Keep up your amazing work!
Your y to he first guy making tools I watched all g to he way thru your videos and copy them all
Your a real Gem
With CNC milling/router machines their Achilles heel has always been the time it takes to do a tool change (machine has to return to zero position, do the tool change then return to the cutting position) so machine tool manufactures use travelling tool changers which move along the the machine the same as the spindle does, to avoid this problem. Being in Germany i am sure you will be familiar with Elumatic profile milling/router machines which use travelling tool changers. On a machine like yours a travelling tool changer is not necessary as the distance to travel is short and not too time consuming but on an industrial size machine in a production setting where time is money a travelling tool changer is a god send. Maybe a project for the future!! Keep up the good work, i love this type of videos, i have been a NC/CNC machinist for 55years and the advancement of technologies in that time have been staggering, where will it all end.
Ich war bisher nie ein CNC Fan - aber das ist einfach der Hammer. Gratulation zu dem tollen Projekt und dem Ergebnis
For measuring larger diameter tools, the CNC machines that I have operated (Specifically a HAAS VF-2) will rotate the tool opposite the cutting direction while offsetting to the side as you mentioned in the video at 26:12 as it approaches the probe. This method ensures that the lowest cutting surface contacts the probe and is used for the tool length offset. It will also approach the probe a second time at a slower feed to ensure an accurate measurement.
Good point!keeping in mind the mechanical adjustment since the design by cad.
I just watched this video yesterday and really enjoyed it. Today I am watching the previous video with your automatic Dust shoe. On 12:50 you mentioned having trouble with the Finder Relays controlling the pneumatic valve: Now with said video about the dust shoe I saw you connected the valve directly between the relay - this is has caused premature wear on the relay contacts. When the Relay turns off and disconnects the Coil from supply, the built up magnetic field in the coil collapses and since it has no where to go induces a Voltage to itself which could reach hundreds to thousands of volts causing a spark across both of the relay contacts. These sparks burn away the plating and the contacts itself, leading to switching issues. The solution to suppress this should be a flyback diode, or VDR connected to the coil. Your new SSRs do have these (next to the NPN Transistor on the diagram), but I just friendly wanted you to know - maybe for your next upgrades... :P Source: State-certified technical engineer.
WOW! WOW! WOW! WOW!
I don’t know what you are talking about or doing! However I adore watching and listening to you. You make watchable videos even for folk like me (non engineer, 64 yrs and never makes anything) to enjoy. I would love to do what you do but today it’s not going to happen so my pleasure comes via your work. Please don’t stop, please keep up your valuable narration, please keep all the fascinating camera positions!!
Bob
England
With so much time and effort you put into this excellent project I hope somehow you find someone willing to offer you a commercial deal so you can get a nice return for everything you have done. You're a real talent and you deserve a reward for your efforts.
🏆🏆🏆Brilliant just pure brilliance, why you as a young engineer do not have a sponsor is beyond me!!🏆🏆🏆
From U.S.A
I've been watching your channel I think since the beginning. All I can say is WOW.
Awesome work
Marius, ich schaue deine Video´s fast seit deinen Angfängen. Mit diesem Video hast du dich mal wieder selbst übertroffen. In so jungen Jahren, soviel technischen Wissen und Können, echt Klasse! Gruß Markus
It's amazing how long i have been watching this channel and you always amaze and inspire my creativity, now if i could get the guts to make videos and put myself out there... Thanks for sharing!
This is by far the most satisfying video on TH-cam!! Congratulations on your epic build.
Thumbs up for screw driver cam. A+ cinematography.
You are just so talent with everything! I hope one day to open your big factory and be the sponsor for other great minds! KEEP UP!
Great work! There might be a flaw in the measurement of big tools, the cause can be seen at 27:08 - the tool might rotate due to one of the measurements, which may cause the measurement at the so far known lowest location to differ in case of a huge rotation.
People at Felder should call you and get some deal done...! I am so impressed!
You could just get a really big compressor tank, maybe one with a broken compressor and then hook up an cheapish to okay working compressor- maybe it can't keep up 1:1 with how much you use, but that's usually not a problem with enough capacity. That's what we've done- it's a huge tank but only cost 200 dollars (the thing is probably 7 feet tall, huge)- we hooked up the cheapest home depot compressor to it, took half a day filling it the first time and now you can use that thing all day without the compressor, then just top it all off when your done if you don't want the noise. Very neat project! I can't wait to build my CNC machine! Learning laser cutting/engraving first.
the movement of the tool changer could be easily done by 2 stepper motor and 2 switches. one could be at the end of y axes to start the motor and other on the changer side to stop the motor at desired position, or it could have 2, one for each motor for perfect alignment. also big tool movement could be implemented for all tools so the movement for large tool wont need to huge, just until the y switch is off and the tool changer would be out of the way. anyway great project, i wrote this for anyone who try to build something similar
Very neat solution! I like how it doesn't take away work space.
You can also add some bar codes on each tool and use computer vision to detect tools faster and be sure which one are bigger than a hole.
Wonderful work, great great video.
My favorite quote from the video: "[...] I don't know how to describe it, it's amazing. Especially since it also works!"
Dear Marius, another tech improvement would be etching (chemically or CNC) a unique vertical bar-code number on the body (shaft) of every tool, a small scanner on the moving tower could scan all the tools positions upon power up and find every tool bar-code number, a table in the software will do the rest. So no matter where you put the tools in the rack, the machine will identify them. Vertical bar code means every bar-code stripe will be all around the tool shaft, easy readable. Code39 or Code128 are good candidates and very easy to decode.
Outstanding engineering skills you have Marus. You must have the patients of a saint. Anyway, fantastic tool changer build maybe some of the CNC manufacturers should get in touch with yourself as I think you have so much to offer, Thanks for sharing.
This Channel is pure gold, love your skills and values.
Trumpf's toolchanger does something similar, but their software desides what tool is needed for the job, the software reads the tool specifications from a database, decides where in the tool holder the tools should be placed to achive the shortest runtime for the job.
Newer models reads a barcode/QR-code that tells the machine what tool it is and the set length of it.
On the older machines you have to put in the tool length manually when loading to job, it's been many years since I worked with Trumpf 500 and 6000.
I don’t know much about CNC but even I know that cut at the end was ridiculous! I’ve never seen a CNC blast through material that fast… it felt wrong and kinda fake, but it just proves that good engineering and quality tools make a world of difference!
This is the best thing I saw on TH-cam for a while now. I wish I was able to make such an amazing upgrade on my DIY CNC. This was mind blowing