I'm a Infantry and armor Marine who has done 7 years in and 3 west packs and 2 far east deployments.. I can count on ONE hand how many good officers I had. Good as in the actually care about the mission and men what kit we have and need during down time etc. Most start to be good leaders then you can see the toxic leaders get a hold of them and tell them not to be too friendly with enlisted. They all start believing their crap don't stink only enlisted crap does. Now it's even worse with these entitled people becoming leaders
@@newark51000 You hate OCS officers then blame the NCOs and SNCOs who graduated them. NCOs run OCS and you don't get bars and saluted without their approval. SO maybe the officers you hate so much are academy kids. That's another argument.
This was the best worst 10 weeks of my life. Funny enough drill instructor pick up day was my birthday. Best birthday present ever. It was sheer insanity but it was what I needed.
I turned 26 during Transition week very shortly after we were picked up by the Platoon staff. Don't remember the day's specifics at all just know I got slayed
Went through the 10 week OCC Summer 1984. Most demanding 3 months ever. If you’re planning on enrolling, whether PLC or OCC, my advice is being able to do a 280+ PFT before arriving at Quantico. My focus was on running sub 18 minute 3 miles and it paid off tremendously. Never quit and show the instructors you have the fortitude to earn the respect of others through leadership abilities. Selfless humble and modest attitude will help a lot. Attrition is high but don’t get discouraged. We had 48 start in our platoon and graduated 21. Best career decision you’ll ever make in your life. Semper Fi
“ Those camera’s does not capture what happens inside those squad bays”- First Sgt gave me chills the first few days before pickup and by god they DO NOT! I prefer the field stuff then in the squad bay shenanigans ANYDAY😂
@@DixieBanjoman you just have to go through it fr to fully understand. I wish they’d show it. It would make folks FULLY understand a full day for a candidate. It’s not just the field and class room. It’s also the squad bay that make and break folks.
The best part of Marine OCS are the dreams you'll have the rest of your life where you show up to OCS unprepared and in the wrong uniform. I can't be the only having these "nightmares." Ha
I keep remembering times when we staged for morning chow, staring across the bay. Or staging behind the auditorium, waiting to go back to the barracks. For some reason, those moments of waiting stand out. That and the damn foot bridge.
@@GT3Marine staring over the Potomac River before and after eating at Bobo Hall, guarding the stack of rifles while pretending to read your book of knowledge... Good times. I hear Bobo Hall is now on the other side of the train tracks and so there is no footbridge-foot-race anymore...
I completed OCS in 1983. It sucked, but like the NCOs told us, it gets progressively worse. After TBS they were proven right when I when to IOC. Great training and memories. SF
This brings back memories of "Big Mac" a Marine Lt. Col who was a mustang. He was in class with us in 1976 getting his degree. A Marine F-4 instructor with Vietnam experience, he told many stories and we had a good time with him. Just before graduation he got a terminal assignment to Quantico as a battalion commander. Over the years his last name has faded from my memory, and I have often wondered what became of him.
No one becomes an Officer of Marines until he/she is approved by a Marine NCO. It’s the Non Commissioned Officers who select the Officers. The Commandant didn’t become a Marine until a Sergeant approved him. The PLC course was the most difficult thing I have ever done in my life. I don’t have nightmares about Vietnam. I have had nightmares about PLCs. 😂. Thank you, Staff Sergeant Jarrett and Sergeant Schrague.
@leestebbins5051 - I graduated from the PLC 10 week course in July 1967. I was commissioned in December 1967. I served as an Artillery Officer (0802) from February 1968 through December 1974. I spent two years in WestPac, including one in Vietnam. I commanded artillery batteries in both the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions. That’s where I picked it up.
when i was in the army i had an officer that was a marine before he went into OCS....he would always tell me "what makes a leader isnt your career history...it's whether or not you give a fuck about your guys. i can tell you i'll die for each and every one of you because if ya'll have to suffer, you better fucking believe im going to be right there with you suffering"
True leadership. Too bad I saw very little of that in my and only army officer assignment. I saw a bunch of field grades ready to retire or sent to that post so they can do no harm for their last tour.
Don't as you're better off not being in such lie. History proved bs like Pentagon Papers fraud into Vietnam to Iraq 03 from wmds lie after 9/11 like Pearl Harbour which both were preventable. War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
My dad was a Marine officer. He led an infantry platoon in Vietnam and was awarded a bronze star with a combat V for bravery under fire. I hope to follow in his footsteps and go to OCS in a couple years after I finish my bachelor’s degree and get a masters.
Next summer is my time for PLC. I hope I'll qualify just to go, I'm undergoing an immense physical journey to prepare myself to early the title of United States Marine, like the three generations who came before me, and to lead Marines, becoming the first officer in my family. I have what it takes, but now I need to prove it to myself.
Myself and a bunch of other junior corpsman were there for 2023 summer cycle providing medical, man it was a treat seeing this poor kids get messed up by the DI’s
Was at Quantico/OCS in 1979 when the Iranians took our embassy. Platoon Sergeant came into the squad bay, told us we were going to war and half of us would be dead this time next year so, if anyone wants to quit, now’s the time. Not one!!!!! We just looked at each other and said “Sucks to be you.”
It was quite the culture shock in the late 70’s. All of our instructors were Vietnam vets and the PT program was run by the British Royal Marines at that time.
@@andrewwlewis1 The instructors now are GWOT vets while the PT curriculum is developed with the oversight of a Royal Marine's Color Sergeant. Still sucks.
I was in college in 1967 and because I was a history major, I did not have a draft exemption. Instead, I was prime meat for being drafted into the Vietnam War. In my Junior year in college, I knew was going to be drafted into the Army as a private. But one day when I as going to the Student Union on campus, there was a table with two Marines in dress blues. I stopped to ask what they were selling, and they told me that if I joined the Marine Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) then the Marine Corps would ensure that I could complete college, BUT I would have to graduated from Officer Candidate School (OCS) in the summer between my junior and Senior year, after which I would be commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Marines. That sounded a lot better than binging drafted into the Army as a private. So I joined right then and there without telling my parents. After all I thought it was better to be a Marine officer than an Army private. Best decision I ever made. I graduated, I was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant and I attended 6 months of officer training school to be certified as a Marine infantry platoon commander. And in December 1968 I arrived in Vietnam. And from then to a month before I was to return home I was reassigned as the battalion S-1 (personnel). So I'll tell you that in 1968, the Marine training did not prepare us for combat in 1968. It was pretty much WW II /Korean War tactics but not much about Vietnam. In fact while training we were issued M-14 rifles but when I arrived in Vietnam I was issued an M-16. Now I had seen photos of M-16's but we had never been trained on them and so when I arrived in Vietnam I had never even familiarizing fired the weapon much less how to disassembly it and clean it. It was embarrassing that my Marines had to show me out to dissemble and clean the weapon. And I discovered that not one of the M-16's in my platoon had had battel sights adjustments. In other words, accurate fire wasn't possible. It was all on-the-job training. Bad dog; no bone. So back to OCS training today. My OCS training was extremely difficult. We began with 50 Candidates in my platoon but only 20 or so graduated. My understanding is that today the OCS and Officer Training is far more difficult. From the way it is described I would guess less than 10% of my OCS / Officer Training would have made it through . That's a good thing because the tougher the training the more likely you are to survive combat. I made it through OCS and Officer School, but it was only the lessons learned in combat that kept me alive and I only learned those lessons from the veterans in my platoon. The Air Force Red Flag exercise and the Navy's Top Gun teach pilots the realistic conditions of intense adversary tactics. I wish some day that the Marine Corps has a similar training exercise. While Marine Corps training is much more intense, and that is good, there isn't any realistic training like Red Flag or Top Gun that simulates realistic enemy capabilities on the ground. But it isn't against the best simulated ground forces. It's mostly a choreographed exercise where the good guys win. The Marine Corps need to have a Red Flag kind of exercise where they go up against the best enemy offenses and defenses. I retired from the Marine Corps a very long time ago. I was a platoon commander in Vietnam from1968-69. I was a Marine company commander supporting the evacuation of Saigon in April of 1975. I don't thin that our military is prepared for war against China or Russia because our ground forces haven't been prepared for it. Just my opinion as a 77 year old retired Marine who served 3 years in combat without winning any of the wars.
I went through in 2005. At that time, mostly Vietnam era tactics, except for MOUT at TBS. Mad respect to you guys. My uncle was a Vietnam vet, artillery, 3/11, big reason why I went in.
Will always remember my Sergeant Instructors, from the hellish pickup on day 1 to receiving the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor and shaking their hands at commissioning. The only advice I have is that a 2ndLt should not act as if they outrank anybody. The technicality of outranking an enlisted Marine is not a practical one as a 2ndLt. The respect you receive as a butterbar is a courtesy that can be withdrawn at any time. I have always viewed my Cpls and Sgts as subject matter experts, and my SSgts , Gunnys, and 1stSgts as a team where each person serves a role, and not one of who outranks who. I'm just a mid-level manager connecting section level training to battalion and organizational requirements, and I need everybody's help to do it.
I remember Maj Hyman when he was in charge of the Delaware Office back in ‘10. Great to see he’s now CO of OCS. I went twice. Once as PLC-Juniors in ‘07 and as OCC-10 in 2010. I didn’t make it the final time so I went enlisted. You don’t go there thinking it’s a summer school. I just didn’t have the leadership skills or mental fortitude at the time.
PLC first 6 weeks June-July 1969 Camp Upshur followed by main side 1971 then basic school 1972 the flight school wings 1974. Amazing inputs to 20 something man. Excellent!
@@avoidrealnames Stay Navy. Worst officers I EVER experienced were from Annapolis. Lazy, arrogant, did not care about their platoons, became O3 and never did a thing for anyone but left at 1600 hours.
Did both. Entirely different purpose. Boot camp turns civilians into Marines. OCS tests how badly you want a commission, and whether the Marine Corps wants you. They said it in the video. You better come prepared.
My Sergeant Instructor’s brother was in my first platoon in the Fleet. Coincidence or kharma? A fine young LCpl, he left for his next duty as a Sergeant.
I served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was a Major in the Army! Marines always got our back, always professional. I never saw fat Marine! ARMY FAT SOLDIERS EVERYWHERE
Here's a weird conundrum. I went through Bulldog in 1974, after the USMC had invested three years of NROTC in me. That is the Marine Corps spent tuition, board, books and living allowance for three years at The Citadel before I went to OCS. It seems as if it would have been a much wiser investment to send us to OCS our first summer if there was a good chance we might wash out. However, I don't remember any of our NROTC canidates flunking out of Bulldog. Maybe because they knew how much money was already invested in us up to that point.
It really depends what time of year you go also. I went in the winter and I got sent home for breaking my hand. It was week six. Before I left, almost half of our platoon dropped out. I went back in the fall and graduated. Our attrition rate was probably about 15% rather than almost 50%.it’s a much harder time in the winter.
I remember the “Hill trail”, something they don’t do anymore. I guess the powers to be don’t want to stress the candidates as much as they say in the video.
I was in the Marine Corps for 6 years, enlisted. I’ve been in the Army for 2 years, enlisted. Does anyone know if I would be able to commission into the Marines as an officer?
Veteran (served 4 years from boot rank-cpl), just completed my bachelors degree and got an invite to go to officer school. I am doing very well now but I just wanted to see what I would be putting myself through, very funny 😅
They have red felt behind them. They’re not NCOs, they’re being evaluated in those billets. It’s a tough process. You gotta get the candidates assigned to you to perform, and the only way to do that is to give 100% for them when they’re in charge.
I hear you, for me it was worth it. I finished PLC Juniors last summer as a LCPL and I’m going back this summer to Seniors as a CPL. As a prior you have an advantage compared to the average civilian
Was not a prior, and saw a few priors drop. I didn’t understand. 10 weeks and it’s all done. Plus you can go party (meet ladies) every weekend in Georgetown while at TBS!
Seeing if they'll accept some of y'all's marital proposals with what you expect out of them are seeing a Phil except any of your negotiations with some of your stuff you have in yours to participate in if you can't get your targets to a line correctly
Holy crap, only 65 days? The standard length for a commissioning course in Commonwealth armies is a year. Then you go a do your introductory trade-specific officer course before you get near soldiers.
@@coryhoggatt7691and depending on which flavor of OCS your going through (Bulldog, PLC etc..) you have other training and evaluation you’re going through before and after OCS too. This is likely just one step along the way…
Don’t know if anyone will see this or not, but I’m a prior service 0311 and got out 4 years ago almost. About to graduate college and have been talking with my local officer selection recruiter. Really want to go to OCS (even though when they shave my head again I’m gonna be a different way), does anybody have any comments or advice for my situation? This video looks sick I want to go lol
When I got to the fleet in 1975 and assigned a rifle platoon, my platoon sergeant, who was an E-5, asked me whether I had gone to boot camp at Parris Island or San Diego. When I said that I didn't go to either, he looked at me as if I was insane. From then on I could tell he looked down on me.
I went in 2005 and did almost 5 years. Given your previous experience, why not try for Federal LE? Or NG SF? I couldn’t imagine going back in, but mad respect if you do.
All that training just to go to the fleet and worry about what pronoun a Pvt called a Sgt and it now has escalated to Bn Co. Classes on diversity and equity.. what every fighting Marine needs.
Don't as you're better off not being in such lie. History proved bs like Pentagon Papers fraud into Vietnam to Iraq 03 from wmds lie after 9/11 like Pearl Harbour which both were preventable. War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
I can't think of any newly commissioned 2nd Lt's in the USMC that didn't walk round with the proverbial battery on their shoulders, daring someone to knock it off. They're not called "butter bars" without good reason. Every new Marine officer knows, per their leadership handbook, that the mission comes before the men. That's how most advance their careers. I wore the EGA. There are few officers i respected.
I'm not sure about that. I was a marine infantry officer in the 70's. There may have been a few like that, but most of us were just trying to survive. We were told to care about our men, but to keep a sharp distinction between officer and enlisted. Maybe that distinction appeared to be arrogance, but for me and the other lieutenants I served with we were just trying to make sure that the orders we passed on were obeyed.
An important part of the screening process requires candidates be evaluated in their leadership capability. If I remember correctly from week 1, the instructor staff at the platoon level up to the company level will assign temporary billets. The instructors assign these temporary billets outfitting the units with every unit leadership position used in the fleet. A candidate may be assigned the role of fireteam leader, squad leader, platoon sergeant, ect. The school uses the felt and insignia attached to mark the candidate. I’m guessing the school uses the color red to more easily identify the simulated rank as the black rank insignia camouflages itself in the utility uniform.
@coryhoggatt7691 what is a awb ? Either way my son told me he was notified that they are still trying to push his paperwork through...(age waiver 29yrs)
The attrition rate in my platoon in 1967 was about 40%. It was very easy to quit and there were no negative consequences for a DOR (drop on request). Only those who truly wanted to lead Marines made it through.
I think the characteristic that is most required for success is an unqualified desire to SERVE as a Marine Officer. The word SERVE in the Marine Corps means to serve other Marines, even at the cost of your own life. If you have that desire, then nothing will stop you. Nothing will make you quit. With that desire, you will be able to ignore pain, hunger, sleep deprivation, and all manner of assaults on your psyche. If you are not willing to make that sacrifice, then one of the other armed forces may be more to your liking. The Marine Corps is not simply an armed force. It is truly a belief system.
Who will stand up? Like when we pulled out of Afghanistan, just one leader had enough balls to call out the corrupt and bad decision of that fallacy. Need more leaders like him. Semper Fi 3/8
@@ms.annthrope415 least he had the balls to call out the failures and not a "yes" ma'am like the rest of you soft ostriches. Should been a lot of heads rollings but nope just one for calling a turd a turd. Just say yes sir and move along you tool bag.
That decision was made by Trump who decided to leave the fate of the Afghan people in the hands of the Afghan people themselves. America armed them and trained them. It was now up to them to resist the Taliban. America’s military bug out was never going to going to be pretty but our time there was up.
After a “sir” trashing the mustang gang and belittle them online and this video drop. Counterpoint to that “sir” that everyone should serve minimum 2 - 4 years as enlist before officer 😊
@HushMoneyLos Yeah, I'm here for that answer too. As a MO who did this training 20 years ago I'm curious what credentials this knucklehead has to make this statement. Was he a fly on the wall?
You need to attend an ABA accredited law school and have a 150 on the LSAT. LSAT score can be waived. I don’t know about the type of school being waived. Talk to an OSO.
Wonder what the LSAT has to do with it anything. You have to have a decent LSAT to get into an ABA law school. And passing the bar is your license to practice regardless of how well or poorly you scored on the LSAT.
@@ms.annthrope415 Yes, it doesn’t make sense to me either. It would make more sense to have an MBE (the bar exam multiple choice section) score cutoff.
@@laborer_in_the_harvestOk, obviously I was never a Marine Corp officer candidate. I was in the military, but not the Marines and not an officer. I just wonder who gave that candidate a slick top rifle in the first place. Let alone the candidate who attempted to shoot it...amazing.
Thanks 🙏 for sharing this video on OCS… At 50 and being enlisted in the Marine Corps and Army. I wish upon a star ⭐️ I could turn back time. But that ship 🚢 has done ✅ sailed and all I can do is watch. As our United States 🇺🇸 Military has been totally 💯 revamped by a woke administration. Now 🇺🇸 America has a major threat to National Security and abroad. Because of politics I’m considered useless to our intelligence agencies… Have no concern over politics… But the protection of Americans and Jews worldwide… I was born to Lead… Not to surrender to the agendas of a communist regime we have now in the Oval Office in Washington D.C. Semper Fi
I only clicked on this video because the Marine in the thumbnail looks like Michael Shannon. I genuinely thought "Michael Shannon is way too old to be going into the Marines, the fuq?"
Few can be Marines, even fewer can lead them. Being a Marine is one thing, leading them is a whole other thing.
But actually leading marines, fire team, squad, platoon. Is even better.
Exactly. That's why NCOs and SNCOs are so important.
I'm a Infantry and armor Marine who has done 7 years in and 3 west packs and 2 far east deployments.. I can count on ONE hand how many good officers I had. Good as in the actually care about the mission and men what kit we have and need during down time etc. Most start to be good leaders then you can see the toxic leaders get a hold of them and tell them not to be too friendly with enlisted. They all start believing their crap don't stink only enlisted crap does. Now it's even worse with these entitled people becoming leaders
@@shoktroop preach brother. Officers are entitled assholes who think they rank just because they went to OCS.
@@newark51000 You hate OCS officers then blame the NCOs and SNCOs who graduated them. NCOs run OCS and you don't get bars and saluted without their approval. SO maybe the officers you hate so much are academy kids. That's another argument.
This was the best worst 10 weeks of my life. Funny enough drill instructor pick up day was my birthday. Best birthday present ever. It was sheer insanity but it was what I needed.
I turned 26 during Transition week very shortly after we were picked up by the Platoon staff. Don't remember the day's specifics at all just know I got slayed
The best description I’ve ever heard of OCS: “The OCS staff does a very good job of making the candidates wish they were somewhere else”.
Very true.
Went through the 10 week OCC Summer 1984. Most demanding 3 months ever. If you’re planning on enrolling, whether PLC or OCC, my advice is being able to do a 280+ PFT before arriving at Quantico. My focus was on running sub 18 minute 3 miles and it paid off tremendously. Never quit and show the instructors you have the fortitude to earn the respect of others through leadership abilities. Selfless humble and modest attitude will help a lot. Attrition is high but don’t get discouraged. We had 48 start in our platoon and graduated 21. Best career decision you’ll ever make in your life. Semper Fi
I was born in 81, went in 2005. Your advice is timeless! In my opinion, do OCC, skip PLC and enjoy college.
“ Those camera’s does not capture what happens inside those squad bays”- First Sgt
gave me chills the first few days before pickup and by god they DO NOT! I prefer the field stuff then in the squad bay shenanigans ANYDAY😂
Care to tell some stories?
Dorm?? Seriously? What about barracks? Don't tell me they don't have candidates housed in open squad bays (barracks) anymore.
@@jimmysummers869it’s still barracks (squad bay) just no one was brave enough to correct it. 😂
@@DixieBanjoman you just have to go through it fr to fully understand. I wish they’d show it. It would make folks FULLY understand a full day for a candidate. It’s not just the field and class room. It’s also the squad bay that make and break folks.
The best part of Marine OCS are the dreams you'll have the rest of your life where you show up to OCS unprepared and in the wrong uniform. I can't be the only having these "nightmares." Ha
I keep remembering times when we staged for morning chow, staring across the bay. Or staging behind the auditorium, waiting to go back to the barracks. For some reason, those moments of waiting stand out. That and the damn foot bridge.
@@GT3Marine staring over the Potomac River before and after eating at Bobo Hall, guarding the stack of rifles while pretending to read your book of knowledge... Good times. I hear Bobo Hall is now on the other side of the train tracks and so there is no footbridge-foot-race anymore...
I still find myself occasionally writing in all capital letters
@@USFmarine can confirm, no footbridge
"We make Marine Officers, because that's what we do here".....well said.
Fun 10 weeks that I'll never forget - Pain Retains
You know what my favorite part was king? 😂
Nothing will top showing up to our PFT hitting the head and seeing you bald and 5 weeks in Moses. Felt surreal.
wake up bro you got fire watch
@jaymaxa2747 the final drill eval incident of 2023 (colorized)
Delta 4 here .. pain retains discipline
I completed OCS in 1983. It sucked, but like the NCOs told us, it gets progressively worse. After TBS they were proven right when I when to IOC. Great training and memories. SF
Few regrets about only doing little over 4 years, but would have loved the challenge of IOC. Did you do 20 years? OCC 189, 2005.
This brings back memories of "Big Mac" a Marine Lt. Col who was a mustang. He was in class with us in 1976 getting his degree. A Marine F-4 instructor with Vietnam experience, he told many stories and we had a good time with him. Just before graduation he got a terminal assignment to Quantico as a battalion commander. Over the years his last name has faded from my memory, and I have often wondered what became of him.
Why not find out.
Best training I ever had for the rest of my life
Did you do go to retirement or get out? OCC 189!
No one becomes an Officer of Marines until he/she is approved by a Marine NCO. It’s the Non Commissioned Officers who select the Officers. The Commandant didn’t become a Marine until a Sergeant approved him. The PLC course was the most difficult thing I have ever done in my life. I don’t have nightmares about Vietnam. I have had nightmares about PLCs. 😂. Thank you, Staff Sergeant Jarrett and Sergeant Schrague.
Not sure where you picked this up but not true.
This may be his truth, it sounds like he’s been through it before.
@leestebbins5051 - I graduated from the PLC 10 week course in July 1967. I was commissioned in December 1967. I served as an Artillery Officer (0802) from February 1968 through December 1974. I spent two years in WestPac, including one in Vietnam. I commanded artillery batteries in both the 1st and 2nd Marine Divisions. That’s where I picked it up.
I like your sarcasm!
@@DSAlthaus crush.
when i was in the army i had an officer that was a marine before he went into OCS....he would always tell me "what makes a leader isnt your career history...it's whether or not you give a fuck about your guys. i can tell you i'll die for each and every one of you because if ya'll have to suffer, you better fucking believe im going to be right there with you suffering"
True leadership. Too bad I saw very little of that in my and only army officer assignment. I saw a bunch of field grades ready to retire or sent to that post so they can do no harm for their last tour.
Don't as you're better off not being in such lie. History proved bs like Pentagon Papers fraud into Vietnam to Iraq 03 from wmds lie after 9/11 like Pearl Harbour which both were preventable.
War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
My dad was a Marine officer. He led an infantry platoon in Vietnam and was awarded a bronze star with a combat V for bravery under fire. I hope to follow in his footsteps and go to OCS in a couple years after I finish my bachelor’s degree and get a masters.
Your Dad must have had you very late in life.
They'll pay for your masters...
Sounds like a pile of bs. American combat troops withdrew 50 years ago.
@@erics362 yes, when he was in his mid 50s
Edit: He deployed to Vietnam in 1968, age 22
@@Truthbomb918 His Dad was old af when he was born. 😂
Next summer is my time for PLC. I hope I'll qualify just to go, I'm undergoing an immense physical journey to prepare myself to early the title of United States Marine, like the three generations who came before me, and to lead Marines, becoming the first officer in my family. I have what it takes, but now I need to prove it to myself.
You need to prove it to the enlisted instructors at OCS. They will know what you have.
How did it go
Myself and a bunch of other junior corpsman were there for 2023 summer cycle providing medical, man it was a treat seeing this poor kids get messed up by the DI’s
Saw every single one of these instructors and the colonel when I shipped out this past summer. PLC juniors may 20th- June 30th
How was it?
Marine OCS is not a school, it is an interview.
Was at Quantico/OCS in 1979 when the Iranians took our embassy. Platoon Sergeant came into the squad bay, told us we were going to war and half of us would be dead this time next year so, if anyone wants to quit, now’s the time. Not one!!!!! We just looked at each other and said “Sucks to be you.”
@ObamaFromKenya reading comprehension skills?
It was quite the culture shock in the late 70’s. All of our instructors were Vietnam vets and the PT program was run by the British Royal Marines at that time.
The commando was a trip. I was winter OCC 203- their PT uniform was essentially non existent.
@@andrewwlewis1 The instructors now are GWOT vets while the PT curriculum is developed with the oversight of a Royal Marine's Color Sergeant. Still sucks.
same for my dad and he went in the winter time so he’s got some stories about the cold haha
They were running PT when I went through in 2001.
I was in college in 1967 and because I was a history major, I did not have a draft exemption. Instead, I was prime meat for being drafted into the Vietnam War.
In my Junior year in college, I knew was going to be drafted into the Army as a private. But one day when I as going to the Student Union on campus, there was a table with two Marines in dress blues. I stopped to ask what they were selling, and they told me that if I joined the Marine Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) then the Marine Corps would ensure that I could complete college, BUT I would have to graduated from Officer Candidate School (OCS) in the summer between my junior and Senior year, after which I would be commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Marines. That sounded a lot better than binging drafted into the Army as a private. So I joined right then and there without telling my parents. After all I thought it was better to be a Marine officer than an Army private.
Best decision I ever made. I graduated, I was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant and I attended 6 months of officer training school to be certified as a Marine infantry platoon commander. And in December 1968 I arrived in Vietnam. And from then to a month before I was to return home I was reassigned as the battalion S-1 (personnel).
So I'll tell you that in 1968, the Marine training did not prepare us for combat in 1968. It was pretty much WW II /Korean War tactics but not much about Vietnam. In fact while training we were issued M-14 rifles but when I arrived in Vietnam I was issued an M-16. Now I had seen photos of M-16's but we had never been trained on them and so when I arrived in Vietnam I had never even familiarizing fired the weapon much less how to disassembly it and clean it. It was embarrassing that my Marines had to show me out to dissemble and clean the weapon. And I discovered that not one of the M-16's in my platoon had had battel sights adjustments. In other words, accurate fire wasn't possible.
It was all on-the-job training. Bad dog; no bone.
So back to OCS training today. My OCS training was extremely difficult. We began with 50 Candidates in my platoon but only 20 or so graduated. My understanding is that today the OCS and Officer Training is far more difficult. From the way it is described I would guess less than 10% of my OCS / Officer Training would have made it through . That's a good thing because the tougher the training the more likely you are to survive combat.
I made it through OCS and Officer School, but it was only the lessons learned in combat that kept me alive and I only learned those lessons from the veterans in my platoon.
The Air Force Red Flag exercise and the Navy's Top Gun teach pilots the realistic conditions of intense adversary tactics.
I wish some day that the Marine Corps has a similar training exercise. While Marine Corps training is much more intense, and that is good, there isn't any realistic training like Red Flag or Top Gun that simulates realistic enemy capabilities on the ground. But it isn't against the best simulated ground forces. It's mostly a choreographed exercise where the good guys win.
The Marine Corps need to have a Red Flag kind of exercise where they go up against the best enemy offenses and defenses.
I retired from the Marine Corps a very long time ago. I was a platoon commander in Vietnam from1968-69. I was a Marine company commander supporting the evacuation of Saigon in April of 1975.
I don't thin that our military is prepared for war against China or Russia because our ground forces haven't been prepared for it.
Just my opinion as a 77 year old retired Marine who served 3 years in combat without winning any of the wars.
Thank you for your insight!
Did you have prior military experience before enrolling in OCS?
I went through in 2005. At that time, mostly Vietnam era tactics, except for MOUT at TBS. Mad respect to you guys. My uncle was a Vietnam vet, artillery, 3/11, big reason why I went in.
You have lives in your hands as leader of Marines. Ultimate responsibility to have smart, accountable, officers who understand what their role is.
It’s funny they say that because they are emailing college seniors and telling them it’s an internship
Will always remember my Sergeant Instructors, from the hellish pickup on day 1 to receiving the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor and shaking their hands at commissioning.
The only advice I have is that a 2ndLt should not act as if they outrank anybody. The technicality of outranking an enlisted Marine is not a practical one as a 2ndLt. The respect you receive as a butterbar is a courtesy that can be withdrawn at any time. I have always viewed my Cpls and Sgts as subject matter experts, and my SSgts , Gunnys, and 1stSgts as a team where each person serves a role, and not one of who outranks who. I'm just a mid-level manager connecting section level training to battalion and organizational requirements, and I need everybody's help to do it.
i'd follow you into battle any day.
I remember Maj Hyman when he was in charge of the Delaware Office back in ‘10. Great to see he’s now CO of OCS. I went twice. Once as PLC-Juniors in ‘07 and as OCC-10 in 2010. I didn’t make it the final time so I went enlisted. You don’t go there thinking it’s a summer school. I just didn’t have the leadership skills or mental fortitude at the time.
Ah, nostalgia. I still have my camp stool. I see the design hasn't changed.
It’s even better when you’ve got a prior enlisted guy who was a DI in OCS apparently from what my old Captain told me
Prior enlisted are the best officers
@@clydedoris5002yes and no. Are you making that assumption from experience?
A giant exercise in sleep deprivation and extreme PT. When I went through PLC in 80-81, the attrition rate was 75%.
The hardest thing i had ever done to that point, the easiest thing Ive ever done in the Marine Corps now.
Looking forward to it! 💪🏽🇺🇸
PLC Jr., Camp Upshur 1978, PLC Sr., Brown FIeld, 1980. Lots of memories...and some good times, too! ;)
PLC first 6 weeks June-July 1969 Camp Upshur followed by main side 1971 then basic school 1972 the flight school wings 1974. Amazing inputs to 20 something man. Excellent!
OoooRahhh brother, Semper Fi!@@robertmonfort
Went thru usmc ocs in 1980
Best summer of my life
OCS 2010 - A once in a lifetime opportunity because you'll only want to do it once.
Same here, OCC 189. Best fun I’ve had with my clothes on!
OCS produces better results than Annapolis.
Plebe summer is way worse than this. #gonavy 🙃OCC-231
@@avoidrealnames Stay Navy. Worst officers I EVER experienced were from Annapolis. Lazy, arrogant, did not care about their platoons, became O3 and never did a thing for anyone but left at 1600 hours.
Academy Grads were one of two things. Shithot or Shitbirds. Never anything in between. Always found that fascinating. Oh, and the arrogance. 🤦♂️
Pretty sure Naval Academy students wanting to go Marines have to go to OCS as well but just not as long
@@jeremymendoza1465 They do. It is called incremental training. It is not OCS. It is the difference as night and day.
Marine OCS makes basic seem nice and easy. It is much more intense and rigorous. Glad I never even followed that path.
Did both. Entirely different purpose. Boot camp turns civilians into Marines. OCS tests how badly you want a commission, and whether the Marine Corps wants you.
They said it in the video. You better come prepared.
@@coryhoggatt7691Well said. I did both too. Boot camp 1978. OCS 1984. Semper fidelis
My Sergeant Instructor’s brother was in my first platoon in the Fleet. Coincidence or kharma? A fine young LCpl, he left for his next duty as a Sergeant.
I served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was a Major in the Army! Marines always got our back, always professional. I never saw fat Marine! ARMY FAT SOLDIERS EVERYWHERE
Don’t forget OCS is ran by NCOs. Don’t forget your teachers butters
Forget ????? Those NCO will put the fear of God in the candidates.. they can't forget that
The teach it but some sadly forget. Loved my short (little over 4 years) in the Corps. You are nothing, your Marines are everything.
Here's a weird conundrum. I went through Bulldog in 1974, after the USMC had invested three years of NROTC in me. That is the Marine Corps spent tuition, board, books and living allowance for three years at The Citadel before I went to OCS. It seems as if it would have been a much wiser investment to send us to OCS our first summer if there was a good chance we might wash out. However, I don't remember any of our NROTC canidates flunking out of Bulldog. Maybe because they knew how much money was already invested in us up to that point.
Nice to see my face in this ❤️
Where are the “chrome domes” we had to wear at OCS in 1973?
Been there. Done that. Marine Corps! OCS 2006.
Nice! Graduated in March of 2006. You still in?
It pays to be a winner. B.U.D.S. Training/Hell week, US Navy Seal, Coronado California
It really depends what time of year you go also. I went in the winter and I got sent home for breaking my hand. It was week six. Before I left, almost half of our platoon dropped out. I went back in the fall and graduated. Our attrition rate was probably about 15% rather than almost 50%.it’s a much harder time in the winter.
I remember the “Hill trail”, something they don’t do anymore. I guess the powers to be don’t want to stress the candidates as much as they say in the video.
Yeah, there’s a lot not in the video. Quigley, log PT, barracks shenanigans, etc
Please post a video of a newly commissioned Marine Corps Second Lieutenant receiving his first salute by Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps.
Went through PLC JR and Sr. Did JR at Camp Upshur in 1986. K2!
Semper Fidelis Dear American Marines!!! My Beautiful American Marines!!!! I stand with You all and America.🥰😍🤗🙏❤🤍💙💯💪💪👍
Trump belongs in prison.
Was a instructor there at Main side Quantico
Any advice for OCC class as a female?
Hiking with a pack and upper body strength would be the biggest things to work on.
No idea as a female…run, run…and when you can’t anymore, run.
The change is FOREVER 🇺🇸
God Bless America.🇺🇸🦅💀🙏🏻
? Do the requirements and training length change during war time?
D2, 120th OCC. Sheer pain. Very high drop out %.
I was in the Marine Corps for 6 years, enlisted. I’ve been in the Army for 2 years, enlisted. Does anyone know if I would be able to commission into the Marines as an officer?
Yes you can
Veteran (served 4 years from boot rank-cpl), just completed my bachelors degree and got an invite to go to officer school. I am doing very well now but I just wanted to see what I would be putting myself through, very funny 😅
Why are some of the candidates wearing Corporal and Sergeant ranks, are those Enlisted Marines transitioning to Commissioned ?
Those are Candidate billets designed to evaluate their fulfillment of specific requirements of that rank
They have red felt behind them. They’re not NCOs, they’re being evaluated in those billets.
It’s a tough process. You gotta get the candidates assigned to you to perform, and the only way to do that is to give 100% for them when they’re in charge.
Ugh part of me want to go Officer, the other part of me just dosnt want pretty much go through boot camp again
I hear you, for me it was worth it. I finished PLC Juniors last summer as a LCPL and I’m going back this summer to Seniors as a CPL. As a prior you have an advantage compared to the average civilian
It’s similar to recruit training but different in many ways too.
Was not a prior, and saw a few priors drop. I didn’t understand. 10 weeks and it’s all done. Plus you can go party (meet ladies) every weekend in Georgetown while at TBS!
Not sure about the “screening” process… time to tweak it or improve it. It is nothing like the old days.
Seeing if they'll accept some of y'all's marital proposals with what you expect out of them are seeing a Phil except any of your negotiations with some of your stuff you have in yours to participate in if you can't get your targets to a line correctly
😮 The F*** you say? 😂 I'm sure the targets are fine, but I can't say the same for sentence structure, grammar, and basic communication skills.
Do you need to attend OCS after college even if you graduated of PLC program?
No because the PLC program is OCS. It’s just split into two summers. If you pass PLC Juniors and Seniors, then you’re done with OCS
Holy crap, only 65 days? The standard length for a commissioning course in Commonwealth armies is a year. Then you go a do your introductory trade-specific officer course before you get near soldiers.
That’s just OCS. After that it’s 6 months at TBS, then your MOS school.
@@coryhoggatt7691and depending on which flavor of OCS your going through (Bulldog, PLC etc..) you have other training and evaluation you’re going through before and after OCS too. This is likely just one step along the way…
Do anybody know what the list of the 38 Medical Standards that the Pentagon is reviewing??
Don’t know if anyone will see this or not, but I’m a prior service 0311 and got out 4 years ago almost. About to graduate college and have been talking with my local officer selection recruiter. Really want to go to OCS (even though when they shave my head again I’m gonna be a different way), does anybody have any comments or advice for my situation? This video looks sick I want to go lol
When I got to the fleet in 1975 and assigned a rifle platoon, my platoon sergeant, who was an E-5, asked me whether I had gone to boot camp at Parris Island or San Diego. When I said that I didn't go to either, he looked at me as if I was insane. From then on I could tell he looked down on me.
I went in 2005 and did almost 5 years. Given your previous experience, why not try for Federal LE? Or NG SF? I couldn’t imagine going back in, but mad respect if you do.
Is it me or are the Colonel's eagles upside down?? Hate to ask but its bugging the crap out of me.
I can't do it
All that training just to go to the fleet and worry about what pronoun a Pvt called a Sgt and it now has escalated to Bn Co. Classes on diversity and equity.. what every fighting Marine needs.
Don't as you're better off not being in such lie. History proved bs like Pentagon Papers fraud into Vietnam to Iraq 03 from wmds lie after 9/11 like Pearl Harbour which both were preventable.
War is a racket -Smedley Butler usmc turned dissent against rogues, lies of war, propaganda, capitalism greed
Where are the DI's?
(campaign cover)
No DIs at OCS. They’re called Sergeant Instructors.
Most are former DIs though.
They don't wear smokeys, just 8-points.
I can't think of any newly commissioned 2nd Lt's in the USMC that didn't walk round with the proverbial battery on their shoulders, daring someone to knock it off. They're not called "butter bars" without good reason. Every new Marine officer knows, per their leadership handbook, that the mission comes before the men. That's how most advance their careers. I wore the EGA. There are few officers i respected.
I'm not sure about that. I was a marine infantry officer in the 70's. There may have been a few like that, but most of us were just trying to survive. We were told to care about our men, but to keep a sharp distinction between officer and enlisted. Maybe that distinction appeared to be arrogance, but for me and the other lieutenants I served with we were just trying to make sure that the orders we passed on were obeyed.
Why do I see some Marines wearing a red square with their rank insignia on their collars?
An important part of the screening process requires candidates be evaluated in their leadership capability. If I remember correctly from week 1, the instructor staff at the platoon level up to the company level will assign temporary billets. The instructors assign these temporary billets outfitting the units with every unit leadership position used in the fleet. A candidate may be assigned the role of fireteam leader, squad leader, platoon sergeant, ect. The school uses the felt and insignia attached to mark the candidate. I’m guessing the school uses the color red to more easily identify the simulated rank as the black rank insignia camouflages itself in the utility uniform.
I’ll be there this summer!
Don’t do it. No point in fighting fruitless wars for politicians.
@@JakeDavis-bj9xsI seen your other comment and your saying this everywhere
@@JakeDavis-bj9xsI went and graduated in 2005. I say your sentiment to my kids.
My son is still waiting on the board results for the January class. Its 12/3 now... 280 pft, passed NAMI, what the heck !
He must be an AWB.
@coryhoggatt7691 what is a awb ?
Either way my son told me he was notified that they are still trying to push his paperwork through...(age waiver 29yrs)
The worst part was definitely humping from the trailers over the bridge to Bobo chow hall. This new generation just doesn’t know.
I can't count how many times I ate shit on that bridge. Almost like they didn't sandpaper it on purpose.
@@JT-zw4df and if it was raining? Forget about it.
infantry tactics instructor who doesn’t have a CAR is crazy
Thanks
Anyone have an idea what the attrition rate is for the Marines OCS?
The attrition rate in my platoon in 1967 was about 40%. It was very easy to quit and there were no negative consequences for a DOR (drop on request). Only those who truly wanted to lead Marines made it through.
@@DSAlthaus What would you say was the more important constitute quality for success? Leadership skills? Critical thinking?
I think the characteristic that is most required for success is an unqualified desire to SERVE as a Marine Officer. The word SERVE in the Marine Corps means to serve other Marines, even at the cost of your own life.
If you have that desire, then nothing will stop you. Nothing will make you quit. With that desire, you will be able to ignore pain, hunger, sleep deprivation, and all manner of assaults on your psyche. If you are not willing to make that sacrifice, then one of the other armed forces may be more to your liking. The Marine Corps is not simply an armed force. It is truly a belief system.
@@DSAlthaus Makes sense. Thank you for your service.
ocs was hard, tbs was way harder though. in my opinion
Who will stand up? Like when we pulled out of Afghanistan, just one leader had enough balls to call out the corrupt and bad decision of that fallacy. Need more leaders like him. Semper Fi 3/8
Wouldn't call that guy a leader, but go off I guess?
And he got canned for his courage.
@@ms.annthrope415 least he had the balls to call out the failures and not a "yes" ma'am like the rest of you soft ostriches. Should been a lot of heads rollings but nope just one for calling a turd a turd. Just say yes sir and move along you tool bag.
That decision was made by Trump who decided to leave the fate of the Afghan people in the hands of the Afghan people themselves. America armed them and trained them. It was now up to them to resist the Taliban. America’s military bug out was never going to going to be pretty but our time there was up.
After a “sir” trashing the mustang gang and belittle them online and this video drop. Counterpoint to that “sir” that everyone should serve minimum 2 - 4 years as enlist before officer 😊
The woods of Quantico are full of ticks.
Berat masuk marinir di mana pun. Karna ada rekrutment standart untuk MARINIR
Class of OCC 225. Fun times.
What’s the attrition rate?
It varies but last time I went it was 25%.
We started with 61 and ended with 23 after 10 weeks.
1:06 holy great mother of God!! Somebody tell the army that please?!!!!
Unfortunately the screening for entry into OCS is not sufficient.
What makes you say that?
@HushMoneyLos Yeah, I'm here for that answer too. As a MO who did this training 20 years ago I'm curious what credentials this knucklehead has to make this statement. Was he a fly on the wall?
Could someone go to law school abroad, and still become a JAG in the Marines Corps?
You need to attend an ABA accredited law school and have a 150 on the LSAT. LSAT score can be waived. I don’t know about the type of school being waived. Talk to an OSO.
@@GT3Marine Thank you.
Wonder what the LSAT has to do with it anything. You have to have a decent LSAT to get into an ABA law school. And passing the bar is your license to practice regardless of how well or poorly you scored on the LSAT.
@@ms.annthrope415 Yes, it doesn’t make sense to me either. It would make more sense to have an MBE (the bar exam multiple choice section) score cutoff.
Synthetic Stress. I like that term.
Went in 1977 and 1979. Much harder than beast barracks West Point.
@7:03 Only an 'officer' would be down the prone, looking over his rifle with no sights....
That's not an officer. That's a candidate.
@@laborer_in_the_harvest Sure...an Officer Candidate. I guess he doesn't really need to be able to shoot anyway, just tell others how to.
@@rogue109 It's at TBS where they "actually" learn everything. OCS is a "weed-out" class 🤣
@@laborer_in_the_harvestOk, obviously I was never a Marine Corp officer candidate. I was in the military, but not the Marines and not an officer. I just wonder who gave that candidate a slick top rifle in the first place. Let alone the candidate who attempted to shoot it...amazing.
@@rogue109 Yeah that's totally understandable.
What is up with the out of regulation Sgt's moustache ? I graduated in August 1982. Semper Fi.
SemperFidelis!!!
Boots 🥾…
Oooorrrraaaaahhhhh!!!
I see you Jimbo Miller
Sauce?
Thanks 🙏 for sharing this video on OCS…
At 50 and being enlisted in the Marine Corps and Army.
I wish upon a star ⭐️ I could turn back time.
But that ship 🚢 has done ✅ sailed and all I can do is watch.
As our United States 🇺🇸 Military has been totally 💯 revamped by a woke administration.
Now 🇺🇸 America has a major threat to National Security and abroad.
Because of politics I’m considered useless to our intelligence agencies…
Have no concern over politics…
But the protection of Americans and Jews worldwide…
I was born to Lead…
Not to surrender to the agendas of a communist regime we have now in the Oval Office in Washington D.C.
Semper Fi
Get Sum & Semper Fi!!
Lol what a great last name "Hyman"
I only clicked on this video because the Marine in the thumbnail looks like Michael Shannon. I genuinely thought "Michael Shannon is way too old to be going into the Marines, the fuq?"
Haha cool this was filmed while i was there last summer
India go crazyyy
A little bird with a yellow bill perched upon my window sill …………..
Oorah, SGT CAMPBELL!! V27