Destiny Debates Cenk Uygur On Rittenhouse And Biden
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- DEBATE: Destiny vs Cenk on Biden and Rittenhouse
Date: 6 June, 2023
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00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:47 Destiny debates Cenk from The Young Turks
04:35 Hopelessness
17:32 Cenk summarizes the corporate democrats
32:48 Comparing Biden w/o looking majorities
57:34 Destiny asks Cenk about his Rittenhouse stance
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Destiny Addresses The Rittenhouse Self Defense Take From The Cenk Debate...
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You forgot that Rosenbaum also verbally threatened to kill Rittenhouse.
I think it funny we have some video and we think we actually have a clue of the events that lead up to him shooting protestors. I mean if you just want to go off film he sucker punched a young lady caught on camera not long before these killings. To pretend you have good faith bring your AR-15 to a riot you lost. There is one reason to go to a riot with an open carry AR-15, either shoot someone, or scare someone into thinking you would shoot them.
Re: Rittenhouse. - Big part missed that the guy with the pistol first attempted to fake surrender, put his hands up and backed away and then pulled out the gun to try and shoot him. He also "Didn't" because he got his fucking bicep blown off. Cenk being hella disingenuous ...
Debate his nephew next (you might've heard of him 😏) 😂😂😂
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Since Cenk's nephew won't debate him anymore, I'm glad to see Destiny debating Cenk's nephew's uncle.
Cenk’s nephew’s uncle needs to debate Destiny’s wife’s girlfriend.
Hasan debated Cenk 6 months ago. Did something happen since then?
Lul
@@MrCHOMP123456789he's referring to debating Destiny, not Cenk
@@KillstormSH I see, sorry for the confusion. I am sick.
It’s so weird to watch a debate that actually discusses policy in 2023
Leftist don't discuss policy because they know their policies are delusional.
With a splash of rehashing the same tired and stale Kenosha debate from 3 years ago.
I wonder how Hasan feels about his 2 daddies having a great conversation
Yeah, but so refreshing.
I'm so fucking tired of red pill, I started watching destiny like 7 years ago and it was because even though it was a bunch of idiots arguing, it was about politics and policy. He went from shit like the mizkif drama to factorio last year and said he'd get back into politics after it, missed a great voting period to talk and has basically spent 7 boring ass months on the same 2 questions.
It's amazing for him as a channel, but it's not something (i imagine) a lot of us give a damn about.
We're gearing up for the 2024 election get ready cause it's gonna be a total fucking shit show.
I’m so tired of dishonesty about Kyle rittenhouse these people just cannot admit to being wrong even once they just double down on stupid points and say they would rather die then actually defend themselves
This is why I can't even watch this debate. This is how ppl like Cenk operate. They will apparently convincingly argue one point, but then be shown up as complete charlatans on another.
Just because someone can win an argument does not mean they are right. I know this from personal experience, some people are just really good at arguing, especially when they refuse to give in and are willing to just make stuff up that is so outrageous that you're caught out by it.
The fact that Cenk has built a media empire from being a charlatan disgusts me. He's like the King of grifters.
They can’t admit he had a right to defend his life. The footage is clear
These people are the same that are calling the citibike thugs kids.
They don't care about what is right, they care about who they want to be right.
2 BETA's going at it.
The way people try to minimize the danger Rittenhouse was in is absurd. It's debatable whether it was good to try to defend his town, but a reasonable person would absolutely feel that their life is in danger in that situation.
@@GretSeat One of his assailants literally admitted to pointing a gun right at him.
@@megashark1013 Don't bother, doesn't matter for them, he is the baddie and they will stay with this version regardless of facts.
@Garrett Stewart He put himself in that situation, yes. They all put themselves in that situation; however, there is no situation in which you lose your right to self-defense. Also, when you carry a gun, it is your moral responsibility not to let anyone disarm you. When a person is threatening you and attacking you even when you are trying to escape, you have a right and even a responsibility to do what is necessary to prevent that person from taking your gun. Legally, it's incredibly clear-cut. Any reasonable person in that situation would feel as if they are in danger of death or grievous bodily harm, and sorry, nobody loses the right to self-defense because you don't think they are behaving how you would like for them to bechucked. Also don'tt think you have viewed all of the evidence if you think Kyle was thr one mouthing off. As a final note, your speculation about whether they may murder the kid or kick him a few times is extremely cucked. Just because you fall to the ground in a fetal position when threatened doesn't mean we all have to.
Bro try to think about rittenhouse as if he were your son or daughter. Are you TRULY okay with a crowd of adults being able to assault them to their heart’s content simply because your son or daughter was in a place exorcizing their rights? You really think it’s okay for your son or daughter to be assaulted with a deadly weapon (a skateboard, AKA a large piece of wood with two bars of steel bolted onto it) to also be held at gunpoint and also to be assaulted by grown adults who have criminal records? You want that for your own children?
@@GretSeat The first guy Rittenhouse shot was a mentally ill pedophile who had just gotten out of the hospital for trying to kill himself. He was charging rittenhouse when he was shot, and had previously threatened multiple people that night. So kindly, GFY.
Its funny how crazy political pundits always seem a lot more reasonable when they're forced to have a conversation with a more reasonable person. Why can't they be like this on their own shows?
Because they are two-faced liars that sell lies for money.
It’s all PR. When they’re not in an echo chamber; they’re forced to actually “behave” or go “screeching into that good night”. The more professional pundits always seem to go with a lot more reasonable. (From my experience of being a viewer anyway.)
Also love your work, keep it up
Haha what are you doing here?
Holy shit didn't expect you here xD very based
Cenk actually was pretty forthright and said it gets more attention.
I love the content where Steven gets to sit down and just maturely discuss things. No drama. No 4 other people in the call where one person is constantly trolling, one person hogging the talking time, one person doesn’t understand any of the complex ideas being discussed and constantly ruins the flow of conversation with the same annoying questions. Some of my favourite Destiny content is the pod he did with Chris Williamson and the pod he did with Lex. Just civil discussions where he gets to fully articulate his ideas without having to rush in fear of being interrupted.
I thought Williamson was one of the best interviews and the one with the dude from Charisma on Command
maturely discuss/ talk as fast possible and hope some points get lost in the sauce
i prefer heated debates / shitposting but that's just me
I LIKE THE SHOUTING MATCHES!
I tune out after under 5 minutes I WANT TO SEE BLOOD
No matter if you like Rittenhouse or not… you must admire that trigger control. Kid handled that pretty damn well.
mf should have been a mainstream meme of fuck around and find out.
whole country should have been behind him.
No, the fact that he was there with a gun is the problem. This is the right wing fantasy. Always looking for situations where they can have the legal cover to kill ppl.
Better then 90% of the people Querter backing it
@@edsherwook5196 Quarter*, and also just a meaningless response.
Dude that's elite trigger control, I know I would've emptied my mag on the first guy and probably hit some innocents. Of course I'd never be in that situation, but the point still stands.
Cenk: Rittenhouse didn’t live there and crossed state lines
Destiny: He lived a couple minutes away and was part of the community
Cenk: Why????
Bruh Lmao
"Part of the community" miss me with that. Kids looking for reasons to give this kid cover. Either way everyone in this story was fkn idiot.
@@therealallpro yes he was part of the community, he works there, has friends there, has family there and sometimes lives there.
@@friskscipio Mug aint apart of any community. He is a young kid looking for a reason to use violence. Good look for him, mission accomplished.
@@therealallpro i love how you cant come up with any reason why he isnt part of it.
he sometimes lives there, works there, has friends and family there... thats literally being part of the community.
he wasnt looking for violence, the rioting sad excuses of supposed human beings were looking for that. so mission failed succesfully, the criminals found their victim, but the victim was willing to defend himself.
fuck around and find out.
@@friskscipiomy family lives in a bunch of different cities and some live where I work but I don’t fucking claim that city cuz I don’t live there. Idc how much time I spend there cuz of work or family, my address is my address. And if my parent lives there it doesn’t matter either, majority custody decides where my home city/state is
Actually a fantastic conversation. Please have him back on as we approach election season if you can.
Sucks we can't believe anything either of them says.
@@Fabric_Hater yes we do. But of course destiny has some conservative viewers like you
@@sammatthew2841 just to be clear, you think people who support making things up to justify investigating and altering evidence to wiretap their political opponents should be believed?
Bro anythis cenk says is coming out of his arse 😂😂
@@Fabric_Hater You'll come around eventually. It'll be refreshing when you do, too. I promise. Suddenly all the doom and gloom go away and your mind clears room for a path to becoming more effective morally and politically.
Downplaying how much damage you can do with a skateboard is funny to me. Only someone who has never held one in their hands could say that.
Indeed, one of them even started to say something like "it's not like he had a bat...". Dude, a skateboard weighs almost as much as a bat, and has two metal trucks and four dense rubber wheels on it, plus various nuts and bolts and screws and shit. A skateboard is absolutely a potentially deadly weapon.
you hit someone in the head with the truck of a skateboard thats 100% a fractured skull with anything more then 20 PSI its essentially a mace with an odd handle.
And thats even ignoring the fact that rittenhouse would go down in the middle of a bunch of people who are attacking him, and who knows what they wouldve done to him while he was down. To say he was just supposed to let all of it happen is insane
Yeah I don't think Cenk is much of a skater dude lmao
@@dgumbrecht A bat is way better at concentrating its force though. You try to block a bat it will break your arm, whereas a skateboard probably won't.
Lets be real, if someone had to defend themselves and had to choose between a skateboard and a bat, ain't nobody gonna choose a skateboard. It is not nearly as effective. Go try to hit a homerun with a skateboard, never gonna happen.
I'm 100% convinced Cenk has never experienced violence in his entire life. A skateboard is still wood & metal; blunt force trauma plain & simple.
On top of that, we've seen how he reacts when a flight gets cancelled and we're supposed to believe he would be calm and collected after getting hit in the head? No chance!
Underrated comment
I would love to help him gain that experience! I would treat him with the same hate reserved usually for chomos
The funniest part is someone killed a guy with a stake board a couple months after rittenhouse
I mean he thinks he can beat up Joe Rogan
The point is just stupid since the skateboard is practically irrelevant to the argument. Taking away the skateboard completely, If a full grown man tries to run and grab your weapon while being in an angry mob, they might shoot you with it.
Respect to Destiny for standing his ground on the Rittenhouse situation. The left is just wrong on this.
Nah, both sides are pretty wrong there. The lionization of Rittenhouse on the right goes beyond his own arguable innocence and is a part of a larger trend of conservatives living vigilante killers. In other words, Rittenhouse should be acquitted but he is being celebrated because committed conservatives want to see liberals dead
Yeah I don’t see the argument That they’re making he shouldn’t of been there with a gun? What about the rioter with a pistol?
@@xGysa their argument is that he shouldn’t have been there with a gun, but that falls flat because he had every RIGHT to be there with a gun. Rittenhouse didn’t break any law. The people who attacked him did. They also forced him to defend his life.
Case closed, end of story. We have the video.
@@PlayDeadPlease just gonna leave this here. Doughnut Rittenhouse 'shouldn't' have been there. Just because you gotta gun that you own don't mean you gotta show your patriotism with it (even if it is lawful). That's the one thing that is clear from the incident. I think people like me on the Left are not arguing on the law and the outcome of the case. I have no problems with judgement - that's just a natural outcome of a wrecked system. Broader social justice questions and its relationship to self-defence, private property, inequalities and blm, yada yada - is where I find Steven's position still pretty weak (albeit less so than previous years).
@@PlayDeadPleaseI think the point being made by a lot of people on the left is that, although he didn’t break the law, that doesn’t make what he did morally correct. I watched almost all of the trial and came away feeling like not guilty was the right verdict but felt really horrible that the law, applied correctly, led to that conclusion. Bringing that sort of firepower to a situation is excessive, he was looking for trouble, claiming he was there to do first aid… hmmm. He had no clear idea about how he was going to defend the community and just ran without a plan into a shit show. That’s a guaranteed way to get someone killed. Then once he’d killed his first victim, people tried to stop him because they thought he was fleeing after committing a murder. He did look like he could be an active shooter. Again I don’t think the law is satisfactory here… the next two people he killed are surely entitled to try and stop him if they think he’s fleeing a murder? Destiny claims he had a right to defend his community but he provided little to no evidence to suggest he had any idea how to actually do that. Instead he just made an already dangerous situation a hell of a lot worse.
It’s funny when destiny asked how many black unarmed people get shot a year Cenk immediately ignored it lmao
Tons!
Because cenk misspoke. So many more suspects die in custody rather than being shot, and everyone knows about the problem of over policing and disproportionate sentencing for the same crimes and the same number of crimes. Bringing up how many blacks get shot by cops is a straw man, just like bringing up black crime statistics that do not distinguish between guilty verdicts vs arrests. Cenk fell into a rhetorical habit that he knew he couldn't get away with against a serious debater.
@@zer0nix as far as I can see I can’t find the numbers of how many die in custody so I wonder where you are getting “many more” dying from that. There is a reason why there’s a lot of police in black neighborhoods. The simple reason is because more crimes are being committed in those areas typically. You don’t go and throw all your cops in areas where nothing really happens lol. It’s not a case of evil cops just want to arrest black people for the hell of it. If the claim you are making is that cops are racist and shoot tons of black people it is not a “straw man” to show the numbers that prove that is a bullshit claim. Cenk didn’t acknowledge it because he knew it would just show that all he does is create a fear culture that cops will shoot a black person for no reason other than the fact that they are black.
While that may seem like a small dodge, it’s extremely important because there’s so many of these “small dodges” that add up to form complete narratives. Ignoring numerous swaths of context or facts obviously leads to misidentification of the problem and ultimately the truth
@@turtlecosmic wow. Everything you said is delusional. Very impressive.
Not even a minute in and Cenk’s already saying “CROSSED STATE LINES”
insert pepe/apu crossing state lines meme here
Like its illegal to go from one state to another 😂. My God arrest everyone who ever visited 4 corners lol
I love how it’s “borders are imaginary lines!” when it comes to the border of the country but it’s “HE CROSSED IMAGINARY STATE LINES” when they think it suits their argument.
Bro, even Ana when she was in the Anti-Rittenhouse Trial. She had to admit that she was wrong about the hole “She crossed state lines” rhetoric so many people hammer it home because it’s a nothing burger argument. It’s not illegal to cross state with a Fire-Arm.
@@theamericanaromantic that's leftists in a nutshell
"Your opinions are all over the place so they have to be genuine" is actually a really good take.
That’s a compliment
the argument that Rittenhouse was there looking for trouble falls flat because at EVERY CHANCE, he RAN AWAY. He didnt just shoot people that chased him. HE RAN and only when he couldnt run anymore, did he shoot. and he ONLY shot people that were directly trying to assault him.
Not only was he NOT looking for trouble, but he was actively trying to avoid that trouble until the last possible second
As a leftist, it makes me physically sick to my stomach when people think you don't have a right to defend yourself anywhere in the world. "Take a skateboard to the head" 🤮
A skateboard to the head can literally kill you. Blows my mind someone is just supposed to risk dying because “they shouldn’t shoot him”
@@Ghost-jy9hk I think maybe it's culture shock. Leftists typically don't become first responders, leftists tend to want to save people through changing systems. First responders, however, are the only ones who will run towards danger regardless of the context. I think it may be the case that leftists cannot fathom the moral responsibility to run towards danger.
They're ok with people defending themselves, just certain people that politically align based on tyt coverage of events
@@Ghost-jy9hk there is this crazy belief that you're not allowed to defend yourself with force greater than what is being aggressed unto you, and in some places it's law
@Pieshka you can kill someone with a skateboard, you can kill someone with a bat and you can kill someone with punches and kicks. When you attempt to assault someone you should prepare for bad things to happen if it goes wrong.
It's a breath of fresh air to listen to a conversation about policy, and not just culture war bs
exactly my thoughts, i feel like ive been so brainwashed by the culture war that I forgot there are policies behind politics 💀⚰
If all you hear is "culture war" then that's your own fault. There is plenty of discussions like this happening. You obviously love drama, search it out, and then complain about it. I'm sorry Ellie but you're a huge dork. Just trying to help.
Call trump what you will . As a fifth generation logger and business owner trumo gsve us the most prosperous economy and he did it in less than two years time. And that's coming off of a a 13 year long recession 2003-2016 where i saw business after business go under through no fault of thier own . The problem here is Democrats policies are just bad for the economy take the minimum wage for instance y'all are pushing for $15 an hour minimum wage but it's not even needed because Trump improve the economy so much that right here in my local McDonald's in south Georgia they are hiring at $16 an hour😂. I'm convinced that the majority of Democrats are either government workers or on government assistance. Oh yeah and I forgot the stupid 18-24 year olds that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground
Don’t get used to it. From now until the 2024 election it’s gonna be messy
Same and I’m conservative
Chunk - "Tons and tons of unarmed black people are shot by cops every year!" Destiny - "The number is 12." Chunk - "Okay"
Chunk 🤣🤣
The Rittenhouse situation is a great litmus test for whether a person is capable of real thought or if they've surrendered themselves to their pride and political ideology. I can understand how one could come to a certain conclusion based on the immediate reports, but once the whole chain of events became known, refusing to modify your view of the incident is willful and prideful stupidity.
Nah. It's a great litmus test to see if your a normal, rational thinking person or a Conservative. The same people defending Rittenhouse are also the ones defending Ashley Babbit.
this is so true Mac! my buddy and i were talking about it we are from WI. i had a bit more info than him and i watched him reason himself back to the facts in real time. when i told him what town he was from and that he only drove 15 min. hes like yeah Kenosha is a border town isn't it?
Rittenhouse went there with an AR-15 to protect property-what do people think that means? Lol he obviously thought he might use it (aka shoot, maim, and possibly kill someone with it) against people stealing STUFF. That’s not reasonable imo. Whether he had a right to be there I don’t dispute. It’s not illegal in most cases to cross state lines and enter another community. Now whether he had a right to have the AR-15 with him is dubious because he was 17 at the time. I think what helped his case the most was that he was running away from people before he shot the 2nd two guys. But one could argue they were trying to apprehend him thinking he murdered someone and ran off, so they could also have been attempting to defend themselves and others against who they believed to be an active shooter. The third guy who was armed with a handgun and shot by Kyle in the arm argued as much. It seems like Kyle and the people chasing him both thought each other was a threat.
@@vvieites001 Rittenhouse did not use the AR to defend property. His mindset was the rifle was to protect himself, as stated on camera that night. YOU assuming Rittenhouse's thoughts does not reflect reality.
It is INCREDIBLY niche for it to be illegal to cross state lines. It is almost ONLY a crime if you've already committed a crime.
He had the right to have the AR with him, fairly clearly under the law in Wisconsin but also under the second amendment combined with all makes 17-45 being declared as part of the "unregulated militia" or "reserve militia".
What proved his case was that he was running away from someone that had been violent and threatened to kill him earlier that night for the first shooting. The rest of the people that attacked him would have a quite a dubious claim of self-defense. The requirement for the use of potentially lethal force (like hitting someone in the head with a skateboard, kicking them in the face while they are on the ground or pointing a handgun) all require a reasonable fear of imminent death or grave bodily harm. Rittenhouse was running away. He was an imminent threat to no one. He was also running towards the police line. Using such force to apprehend someone running towards the police doesn't make sense.
The biggest reason I wanted to reply was to point out each individual has their own analysis for whether or not their actions were reasonable. The fact that Rittenhouse's actions were reasonable does not mean anyone else is automatically unreasonable, nor would the reverse apply. Self-defense (with "lethal" force, force that is sufficient to be reasonably expected to cause death or grave bodily harm) requires a reasonable fear/apprehension of death or grave bodily harm. No one even needs to be right in that fear, just reasonable.
An example of two people shooting each other in self-defense would be a person disarms an active shooter in the mall and is holding them at gunpoint. Someone else hears the shots from the active shooter and sees one person holding another at gunpoint and draws/aims their gun. The first person sees this. Regardless of who is shot between the two of them, both would be entirely justified in their use of force.
@@vvieites001 He went there to protect property, he brought a gun to protect himself. Kyle didn't shoot anyone that was destroying property he shot people attacking him. And that was only after retreating for 3 blocks while being chased by a dude screaming he was going to kill kyle. The fact is that 100% of people that didn't attack kyle didn't get shot at and are fine.
It will never cease to amaze me how two people can look at the same screen and see two completely different movies.
White and yellow or Black and Blue?
@@LEP021085 red and green y'all were all tripping
So... everyone here is wrong. It was obviously purple and tangerine 😒
Why is Cenk so hung up on the skateboard lol? It's a very hard 7 ply piece of wood made to withstand people jumping down stair sets onto it with 2 solid metal trucks that make for great handles/blunt weapons. You could cave someone's skull in very easily with a skateboard. He acts like its a fidget spinner or some shit.
I have a lot of respect for Destiny. I disagree with him about so much but I absolutely believe he is honest and believes what he says. And that alone makes him far better than 99% of the rest of the people in the space.
Likewise, no one else left of center utters a word of sense, yet everything he says is perfectly reasonable, even if I personally disagree with his take.
This is so true, and critical to or social discourse. I am with you on disagreeing with him personally. That doesn't take away from my respect for his consistent adherence to truth.
I’m a right leaning libertarian and thought this conversation was amazing. Even things I disagreed with y’all, I liked that the conversation was civil and I felt that both of you were speaking sincerely and having a honest “debate”. Great job Destiny 🎉
Agree - really useful and interesting convo. Much more interesting than orbiter drama. Would love to see more conversations with other established political commentators.
I refer to myself as a right leaning libertarian as well. Even though I disagree with Destiny on some things I do respect him as a person. And obviously watch him occasionally. Check on the other hand, well I might get my account suspended if I say what I think of him.
Credit where credit is due. Cenk showed up for this "discussion" and did a whole lot better than I had anticipated.
He definitely talked at least 75% of the time
He seems a lot more reasonable when he’s not making over exaggerated false accusations or claims. If the progressives would just chill out on calling everything and everyone racist they would have alot more support.
That’s a low bar. He is the left wing Alex Jones. Good for entertainment value and that’s about it.
@@atomm3331 absurd statement
I can hardly watch TYT because it's so cringe, it's def the left wing Alex Jones.
Blows my mind he literally says you should take a skateboard to the head and not be able to defend yourself because “oh nooo its a gun”. How about that responsibility for life being on the person that swung the skateboard in the first place? If they cared about life, they wouldn’t be doing that shit! Everything that happens after is on them
Maybe a dumb question, but why not shoot the skateboarder in the leg or arm something? I.e, injure don't kill
@Boggled Eggnoggler You don't have time to take careful aim in these situations. You roughly aim for center mass and pull the trigger. Lifting up and taking even semi-precise aim at a moving target with a rifle takes a good 3 seconds at the very least, which is an eternity in a situation where somebody is charging at you.
It's not a realistic ask.
@@boggledeggnoggler5472 To add, legs and arms are small targets with major vascularity. If you get shot in the leg or arm, there is a good chance you will bleed out as opposed to getting shot in the stomach or chest. Of course anything can be lethal, but everyone trains center mass for a reason.
@@boggledeggnoggler5472because it's not a movie. That's a really hard shot to take and you have much higher odds of missing and hitting an innocent bystander. If you must shoot a man, always shoot you kill. Shooting to wound means you could have escaped without violence.
@@boggledeggnoggler5472 have you ever tried shooting a gun in your life? Like an actual gun; not a nerf gun or super soaker.
Respect for standing for truth and not backing down to Cenk.
Coming from a Republican.
Right winger here but follow destiny like you
The argument for “Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there” is NO ONE should have been there. No one should have been rioting, no one should have been burning down businesses, no one should have been looting. Rittenhouse was only there to stop these things from happening at the business that hired him to do so. So if rioters were not there, then neither would Rittenhouse.
Well yep Rittenhouse did stop the Rioting by killing people. Well done! We need more 17 year olds overeager thick nationalist doughnuts with guns hired by local businessmen. how many people did the protestors ('mostly peaceful protests') kill? what a dumb argument god. As much as I respect Steven's views on several different issues, his self defence shtick, repeated by his fans, just confirms how dogshit the general level of his politics is around such questions.
Right. They were all there past curfew in an unusually destructive riot.
Exactly, the rioters shouldn’t have been there. Cenk defends criminals! He is utterly wrong on this topic
This is the take I've been looking for
Good stuff!
Special props to Destiny for holding Cenk to his actual statements, not letting him spin more moderate (something Cenk has complained about Tucker doing)
And props to Cenk for leaving the echo chamber and having a serious discussion!
I loved the conversation. Cenk actually surprised me with how good faith he was, not what I expected. Goes to show that even on the far left and right of the political spectrum there are people that aren’t just walking talking point collections.
You think good faith means mind reading the Biden administration or making comments like tons and tons of black folks are killed every year?
He does this whenever he doesn’t think he can get away with saying crazy stuff.
He's much different on his show because no one is there to press him.
Socdem are not on the far edges of the political spectrum.. Silly Americans🤭
I think he realises hes become a parody of himself and is trying to correct course - but personaly I think hes a liar and opportunist and I cant stand him
Enormous respect to both of you for keeping it respectful, not attacking and not interrupting each other. THIS IS HOW ALL DEBATES SHOULD BE!
Agreed, except if I’m engaged w/ someone in a discussion and giving them my time and full attn, and then every time they’re done speaking and I speak they start banging their keyboard like a monkey on meth… I’m peacing the fck out. ✌️
Imagine thinking of “compromise” as being punched in the face. As a politician.
Too bad Destiny didn't push Cenk on him saying Kenosha wasn't Kyle's community which is absurd because he works part time there, has family there, has friends there, and is only 15 min away.
People are going to crack jokes and be dickheads, but I think this was an excellent talk. I hope Cenk is open to more of these.
I hope not. Tyt is dying, destiny being super irresponsible for bringing this guy onto his platform
@vorbo01 how it's irresponsible to have the host of a TH-cam show whose popularity is (according to you) wavering? Why is that irresponsible?
@@mikkemarttinen3450 because he's a leftist zealot who's entire ideology basically breaks down to "if someone commits violence it's only okay if they're on my team"
@@plantbasedavid dog what? 2016 they were getting hundreds of thousands of views a video now they get like 15k. They're irrelevant
@@vorbo01 they always get a spike during election years. still they have 5.45 mil subs, is that irrelevant?
It's very relling to me that Cenk can ask "should he have done that?" and say "he shouldn't have been there" about Rittenhouse, but can't say the same about the rioters burning down buildings and hurting people in a riot.
I disagree with Steven on a lot of political things, but he has my endless respect for being honest and logical when it comes to what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse.
Destiny seems pretty reasonable honestly. Good to see free and rational thinkers are still out there.
Man this was such a good debate. No talking past each other. Actually addressing the points given. Having an actual knowledge of the topics at hand. And entertaining to watch, which is hard for political talks. Too bad destiny is a girl's name.
I have to disagree, everytime Steven talked about what actually factually happened, Cenk just ignored it and threw out some emotional argument about something unrelated that's entirely provably false. Destiny responded as such, and he just ignored that as well.
Cenk doesn't live in reality, and that's the reason he's considered the left-wing Alex Jones. He spews misinformation, and then shirks accountability and responsibility.
Cenk had no knowledge on the Rittenhouse topic
@axson8 And because of that, neither does his audience and they think one half of the country just think we are good with randomly shooting people. This sews further hatred and division... the same type of misinformation that lead to Jacob Blake to begin with.
Destiny made this point, but Cenk ignored it.
Destiny is a boys name in Spanish
Eh, Cenk was blustering hard during the Rittenhouse section and didn't really attempt to craft relevant counter-arguments during the policy section.
Excellent debate. Respectful, good faith, and productive. No interruptions, just a good faith exchange of ideas.
an evangelion fan would say something like that
this was a great discussion. would love to see more like this
Cenk wholeheartedly puts his faith in the internet, as long as it aligns with his ideals
Such a good dynamic between these two, need more debates styled like this
These debates happen every day on podcasts
Eh, they never really got into the nuts and bolts. Cenk hopped topics every time.
thought it was super boring since cenk doesn't live in reality at all
Having been a skateboarder all my life, and having been assaulted by a skateboard when I was younger I know how dangerous they can be. If you swing as hard as you can at the head and make contact with the trucks (metal parts), that can absolutely be lethal
Same. Especially when you consider how a legal adult was attempting to assault a minor with one.
this debate was INCREDIBLE! Thank you steven
I love how they are respectful to each other, and listened instead of interrupting, despite their disagreements. This is how debates should be done. At the end, regardless of which side I agree with, I can see where the other is coming from.
Getting hit with anything is a serious threat. Yes, even someone running at you with hands is life threatening, but if they’re equipped with *anything* suddenly your chances of death or serious permanent harm are worse.
It’s like someone incredulously saying “you felt like you were gonna die of a heart attack.. while standing in a hospital?? REALLY??” when the obvious is: yeah, heart attacks are very serious and life threatening. In fact, many *many* deaths that occur inside hospital walls are heart attacks. So, yes. Being in a hospital doesn’t suddenly negate the threat of me dying from this heart attack I’m currently experiencing. It doesn’t matter if the best cardiologist with a crystal ball was waiting for me in the OR at that moment, heart attacks are still serious, I could still die right now.
Man if you got smashed in the head with the trucks on a skateboard, you'd at least have brain damage. I'm not going to take that chance. What does cenk think is going to happen to Kyle once he gets hit and dazed? The mob would have kicked his head in!
Cenks never been in a fight before and it shows.
@@ib1ray or you could just have a bloody nose. You really think everyone ever hit with a skateboard gets brain damage??
It is even worse than getting hit by a skateboard, he was hit by a skateboard while being chased by a mob and fell to the ground where he could no longer retreat. Cenk's utterly dishonest framing is disgusting.
@@SheyVick See what I don't understand about that kind of view is that the country is split on this issue. Do you really think half the country is "disgusting" or are you aware enough to realise that there's multiple ways to see this? The bible says to turn the other cheek, not to shoot someone swinging a skateboard. Maybe we should issue everyone skateboards and ban guns, since they're so deadly?
1:05:09 Cenk (incredulously)
"A skateboard??!!!"
This is a WILD take. Getting bashed in the face with a skateboard is pretty fkgng serious
Does he think it's made of polystyrene or something?
That's because he's the one swinging the skateboard at a unsuspecting defenseless target.
He said he wouldn't defend himself against a 20% chance of death. No way he's being genuine.
Only a super minority holds these kinds of opinions, and they are pacifist quakers.
It doesn't even have to kill you. All that needs to happen is you get knocked out and they can take the rifle and shoot you with it.
CLOSE THE SKATEPARKS NOW!!!
I really enjoy the calm, mature debates where ideas can fully explored.
“An unarmed man”, “a skateboard”
Tell be you’ve never gotten in a serious altercation without telling me me
Honestly not only did this go way better than expected but this was much more substantial than most of the political conversations Destiny engages in with other political streamers or online figures. As much as TYT gets labelled as a brainless far left echo chamber one thing they have over alot of other online political media is they actually do care about these issues enough to read up on them and genuinely stay abreast of the topics they care about.
Also, I think this was a really good balance between being respectful and charitable while also giving pusback where needed. I would definitely like to see more debates like this and I also think this kind of debate is alot more valuable for people who see debates as autistic screaming matches or boring hyper-erudite nitpicking.
You're giving tyt way too much credit. I will grant you the conservative destiny debates are bunch of idiots for the most part. That being said shank is actively wrong I don't have things he said about Rittenhouse. Steven admitted one point and then immediately backtracked and pretend like he didn't just admit that one point was wrong.
No they don't? They lie consistently.
Cenk was dishonest through out this whole conversation.
This was a good debate/conversation but I wish it was longer
I hope tyt asks for destiny to appear as a guest on their shows
Props to you sir for debating different people from different backgrounds. The world needs this
If you're holding a gun and someone tries to club you in the head, it's fair to assume they're going to take your gun and use it on you.
If you go to a place knowing there's a lot of people who may club you in the head, don't go at all. We tell our children to stay away from certain places. We tell women not to go to alleyways at night. Rittenhouse went there looking for it.
@@casual35 And that attitude is why cities keep getting burned down, because we're told to be relentless pacifists and not defend ourselves or anyone else. The rioters went there to cause trouble, they instigated the violence, they got themselves shot. No society can stand on a philosophy of "never fight, defend or oppose anyone who attacks your community." Zero consequences is what invites them to keep doing it.
@@casual35 No, you don't get to tell people its their fault when someone does something to them. Big "but what was she wearing" vibes. Gross. Show me a single time where a woman was attacked and the attacker was let off because "she went down an alleyway at night your honor". What an inane argument.
I really do think Kenosha is a clear example of the importance of early and hard police intervention into riots. There's no reason why there should have been fires there in the first place or massive destruction of property and if the police had curbed this violence, then members of the community would not have felt the need to stand up to it themselves. This was 100% a government mess up and so many people argue about Rittenhouse. When members of a community feel like their community is not being protected, they will naturally go protect it; it's the job of the police to keep order as the intermediary for the community.
Well said. If police did their jobs, civilians would'nt be out on the streets getting into fights which cause more chaos. In a perfect world rittenhouse situations can be avoided and working professionals are on the street keeping the peace.
@@josesosa3337 i think less police more of a SWAT team situation
The riots were a response to a police shooting. I don't think the cops responding would've gone over well, in fact look at the BLM riots. Minneapolis police attempted to respond and had their precinct burnt down.
@@monkeyhater4203 SWAT isn’t for this kind of work. It’s not their wheelhouse. Crowd suppression is literally the work of beat cops. SWAT is for highly dangerous special situations like hostages and locked in suspects. They’re completely different training methods. You don’t send a sushi chef to a butchers shop.
@@josesosa3337 does anyone here think Kenosha Wisconsin had enough police to effectively corral the riots?
Skateboarders know the damage from skateboards. Insane take.
Watched this live, good convo
Thinking our exit of Afghanistan went well is crazy at it’s finest.
I came biased towards Destiny, but man Cenk did really good here..
until the rittenhouse section I actually agree a ton. He surprised me hard.
Honestly I feel so back and forth on this lol. Destiny’s ‘Bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship UwU’ takes are cringe but so are Cenk’s Rittenhouse ones. Then for some reason Destiny’s response to ‘Black people would’ve been slaughtered if they tried to bum rush the Capitol building is ‘Yeah, but only a few black people got shot when police precincts were burned down!’ was insane. As if there’s no difference between attacking a random ass police station and the literal capitol building of a country while the politicians were still inside lmao. Like what? 🤣💀
Agreed!!!
Jesus Christ… this was painful to get through. Holy crap.
Great conversation! Thank you!
Cenk how could you be so right about Biden and so wrong about Rittenhouse.
i grew up in south carolina, where towns and 'communities' were very much how destiny describes; they may be divided by high school rivalries or whatever, but for example, i lived in walhalla, salem, and near clemson sc for much of my life, and i would absolutely consider towns that were only 15 minute drives away (seneca sc, for example. even greenville sc) as part of my community. i would be traveling to and from them every day as just a part of my life, for grocery shopping, work, whatever. if one of these towns or cities hurts, i absolutely hurt with it. i don't care for the disrespect other blue's have for my way of life and how i grew up, and can absolutely empathize with kyle in this regard (maybe not showing up with a rifle, but i would feel hurt too)
i live in richmond va now, and i can tell in major metro areas like this it's just not the same.
This was fantastic content! Let’s do it again!
agreed, and assuming this is real Brianna Wu thanks for whatever part you played setting it up! DggL
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@@jakejta6157 56 subs POV:
I'm assuming u r not telling the truth as usual
I kid you not, I've encountered people whose understanding of what happened in Kenosha is "Kyle Rittenhouse killed Jacob Blake."
This was a great debate! I wasn't sure how I felt about Destiny at first and definitely don't agree with everything he says but he is genuine and seems like a great guy. Much love man keep doing what you do!
The Kyle Rittenhouse will forever be in my mind of how mob mentality is a dangerous thing. The fact he wont step back on anything just reinforces how deep into the cult he is
I really didn't think Cenk's take on that was all that wild. Kyle went out with a gun, looking for trouble, looking to shoot people in a violent riot - That was Cenk's point. He wasn't justifying the riot, but he also just feels like there is no reason to be sorry for Kyle, he got what he wanted, and he killed people in the process.
Covington Kid was the first trial run. Rittenhouse will not be the last, I can guarantee it and Reddit and the media will not learn still.
yeah, Rittenhouse is the real victim here. The media should apologize. He is such a good boy. He killed those men in self-defense. Absolutely. And Cenk is in a cult. The left is a cult. Rightwingers are the normal ones.
Maybe he just has another opinion that is no less valid on its merits.
People could just have a different opinion than you…. I agree with rittenhouse being innocent. But I think he is an absolute moron at the same time.
Destiny needs to start a podcast. This felt cramped. There was so much to cover. I would have loved a 3-4 conversation.
It's clear Cenk never held a skateboard in his hands, ever...
How could anyone assume a skateboard wouldn't kill you!?! If you grabbed one end and started swing it, with the wheels/metal trucks out, you would have no problem caving someone's skull in.
The Rittenhouse debate is a dead horse at this point. They should be arguing about how Destiny is a woman’s name.
There’s no argument, it’s a fact
its a Stripers name , no ?
Agreed. Amazingly, both Destiny and Cenk had brain rot takes here. It is impressive when both speakers are not able to do well on a topic
In total good faith, I’m curious as to your criticism of Destiny’s position. He convinced me to switch sides here.
@@Lucidaydreamer
Is that meant to be directed at me?
Thank you for this discussion, I appreciate what you have to say
I’ve been here since the mentalist video and am excited to see more
AMAZING debate/convo, more of this!!!
Cenk is funny! He is so absolute with the “shall not be infringed” on the 14th Amendment, but thinks differently about “shall not be infringed” in regards to the 2nd Amendment. 😂
so first, 14th Amendment doesn't say "shall not be infringed" it says "shall not be questioned." But secondly, and more important, the "shall not be infringed" in 2A only makes sense when you read the actual right that cannot be infringed. 2A doesn't say "the people's right to own, carry, and use firearms shall not be infringed" no matter how some people want to read it. The idea of public debt and a "debt ceiling" means something completely different now than it did in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was passed, which seems to be why it's not used now (ie, a political argument since our economy is so intertwined in the world economy). Any comparisons to 2A just don't make sense because OBVIOUSLY gun regulation is constitutional
He doesn't talk about it. he has no real options regarding militias, their efficiency providing security for states, or how intense their regulations must be to be "well regulated" as demanded by The Constitution.
@@tommysuave4802what do you think "bear arms" means?
Cenk's got an interesting take, doesn't he? His argument isn't that the amendments are always set in stone. It's that Biden had enough leverage to invoke the 14th amendment (and that Biden had enough leverage to argue it's absoluteness in this setting) to raise the debt ceiling without negotiations because it would not actually get overturned. His reason for why it wouldn't get overturned is that the establishment politicians' and supreme court justices' pockets are lined with wealthy investor/donor money, so they would never make a decision that would cause direct economic ruin.
His main point is that Biden knew he could have used it, but he didn't because he himself is for some of the fiscally-conservative proposals from McCarthy.
When Cenk says that the wording of the 14th is crystal clear, it's to support his argument that Biden could have invoked the 14th amendment without having to seriously fear it getting overturned (because again, the establishment politicians/justices won't cause financial ruin)
@@tommysuave4802 “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Do better.
I’m moderate who leans conservative but I really enjoy seeing this; nuanced and civil conversation about issues that political sides have within their own party. It just helps give a broader picture of the aspect I didn’t see before. Doesn’t mean I agree with all of them but this is why we should all be watching each other’s channels to get a broader view on all the issues instead of the narrow views one channel will provide
Cenk: “So what Trump ended the war (20 year war). Biden got it done”
“A skateboard to the head, not a big deal”
Lines like this checks me out. I don’t mean to act like a kid, but I would have to see Cenk take that skateboard to the dome and walk off before I change mind.
Tired of rich telling me I don’t need to protect MY neighborhood.
Who cares how nice they talk to each other!? Points have to have weight to persuade me. But some ppl are gullible.
Haha the skateboard thing is hilarious. As if there is a certainty that the guy is only going to give you one soft tap on the head, and as if there wasn’t a giant raging mob behind chasing him.
Cenk being condescending about how deadly a skateboard can be....
As an ex skater punk, I can absolutely testify to the damage a skateboard can do.
The heavy/hard metal trucks under the board can *definitely* kill a man. They can also chip cement.
I gave it an honest shot to listen. I lost at I’m the king of hope.
❤❤❤ loved this , really enjoyed , ty to both of you
this is the type of content i subbed for. pls more of this and not redpill garbage
Now we need a Destiny x Ana debate 🙏
That would be cool actually 😎
She'll scream SA if he makes her look dumb.
Cenk scoffing at being hit with a skateboard should be enough to discredit him entirely on self defense.
A hammer has less wood and iron than a skateboard does, ding dong.
Saying a skateboard is not a that big a deal is genuinely ridiculous 😂. That thing is a solid wood plank with solid metal trunk that if swung hard enough could easily knock someone out or cause serious damage to someone’s head.
Holy shit, this was awesome. Please more content like this Steven!
hE cRosSeD StAtE LiNeS!
Cenks constitutional analysis had me dying laughing 😂 he read the text of the 14th amendment and said it was “super clear” lmao I’m convinced!
Summary - Despite losing the debate, cenk handled himself so well that he didn't look too bad.
I really don’t understand why democrats want Manchin out of the senate. West Virginia is the reddest state in the Union. There’s not a chance in hell that you get someone more progressive from WV than Manchin. The fact that he’s even in Congress is basically a miracle.
True. It’s amazing we have manchin tester and Sherrie brown.
I think a lot of knowledgeable dems understand that it’s kinda crazy Manchin win the seat at all, but that doesn’t mean he should be immune to criticism from the left.
Some of that criticism is really stupid, though.
'National giveaway to the semiconductor industry' as a criticism for a domestic semiconductor bill is the biggest non criticism I've ever heard
People like Cenk just hate the ideas that corporations exist.
America at 17: “Why would you go there?”
America at 18: “Time to sign up for the draft!”
One correction: The US Patent Office is the only agency to make a profit. The IRS just ensures we are all doing what we are legally required to do re: paying taxes.
Holy Crap. I'm fiscally conservative, socially libertarian. As much as I disagree with every position Cenk takes, I do force myself to watch TYT often enough even though watching him scream through the monitor is about as much fun as root canal. It's important to know your political enemy. This debate with Destiny, Cenk was shockingly collected, even tempered, and reasonable in presenting his arguments. This is a Master Class on getting people who completely disagree with your politics to actually weigh out the merits of your position. I'm not exactly sure who this guy is that showed up and why he is being so much more polite, pleasant and articulate with Destiny than to his own audience that actually tunes in to his show. I have never seen him present himself in this way. This Cenk could be a very dangerous and formidable champion for the Far Left!
Cenk is always like this when he appears on other people's shows or interviews. He was even keel when debating a white supremacist. As a progressive myself, I have been watching less and less of the left content, specifically TYT because they live in such a bubble. Their take on certain social issues is even too much for me.
@@Robby_C i think its because rage bait sells and he doesn't have to worry about push back on TYT. Here he would have been made to look stupid if his energy and hyperbole were higher destiny is excellent on sticking people to what they actually say vs what they mean.
TYT is falling behind.
They were very popular at some point, but then they went too far Left.
I used to call myself a Progressive!!
I left "TYT Army" in 2012, b/c they start promoting wars & start attacking Assange, & all that crazy reporting they do.
Well, I blame Obama.
He did something to the Left wing.
Now they all supporting wars & FBI & ...
Fiscally conservative.. made me throw up my lunch
@@iainbreen7835 Why?
This was fantastic. Thanks everyone involved.
Thank you for being honest destiny, I've been listening to you more and more. And even if we can 100% disagree on a lot of things, it's a breath of fresh air that someone can disagree and still argue in good faith
Cenk literally wanted rittenhouse to Just die and be a meme
Can’t believe Destiny got this debate with the King of Hope!
PLEASE continue the politics arc and have similar convos like these
I always wonder in convos like this how much is a person's genuine stance vs how much of it is the result of their mental calculus to determine what the can budge on vs where they have to hold tight to maintain appearance and appeal? Audience capture is the term correct?
"Hey I'm not Mussolini is not a great campaign slogan" 😂
It’s crazy how rittenhouse being a litmus test was just a meme but it really does drag out the partisanry in people. Cenk actually did a good job representing the non establishment dem side in criticizing Biden but when it came to rittenhouse…. I don’t even know what to say lol
His last 40 minutes was pretty rough lol he is delusional