Grand Seiko Tentagraph: Rolex Daytona Killer?
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- Is the Grand Seiko Tentagraph really a Daytona alternative? At £12,500, it costs almost exactly the same as Rolex’s prized chronograph. Is it worth the money?
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Yooo facts
damn straight
A good observation Sherlock or Dr. Strange explaining the time stone to mere mortals.
Nailed it!
Benedict Cumberwatch
I bought a Tentagraph today. Uk 🇬🇧
Very nice watch, joined the GS9 Club 😊
I really like when you compare one watch against another. You give both the pro’s and con’s without bias and then leave the choice up to the viewer. In this instance, the GS looks really fantastic and I like the technical aspects of it as well over the Daytona. Well done 🥃
Ya, the thinness of the Daytona is one of the things that makes it so nice. This GS is nice though too. I do not like it better than a Daytona, but the Daytona prices are crazy
This GS price is also crazy. 😁
@@HoppetakeyamaI concur
If you get the call to pick one up from an AD, Daytona is what you want. Not only it wears well, it wears well with everything. t shirt, shirt, sport jacket, suit and tuxedo.
Nice watch. Would buy if it were smaller 40-41x11-12mm
As much as I am a GS fan, this one missed the mark. While it might operate really well, people want thinner GS sport models!! The decision to use a modular chrono was just not right IMO
I'm with you here
tota lee agrees
I agree. For what they want for watch, I don't think it's a good buy and I think chronographs are overrated anyway. I'd go for a GS Spring Drive instead.
We have B01 a pure integrated chrono movement with vertical clutch, column wheel. It is way cheaper and ppl still complain about Breitling. Ah yes its because these days its all about resale value.
Very nice, but I prefer the Omega Speedmaster 57 over these two 👍
Agree.
I’ll be buying that Tentagraph when someone puts it in the sale @ £8,000. Might take a couple of years, but I’ll be having you my little Japanese hi beat friend.
The closest Grand Seiko had come to a mechanical chronograph before was the 6S37 movement, found in such rarities as the Flightmaster Automatic (SBDS003). Cool movement!
I have an 8.5 inch wrist and I hate bracelets. Another nice feature of the GS is that I could actually buy one. If I had the money. Which I don't.
So you could buy one if you could buy one?
Stunning logic. Spread it around. I think it will be popular
@@alfieakaronaldog Shut up
GS are definitely punching, and the Tentagraph is a fine watch... Don't understand why they are being so lackadaisical about the bracelet/clasp; they do very good ones on regular Seikos, so why not put some effort with GS. My $200 Citizen has a better clasp than my £6k GS...
i honestly prefer san martins and pagani over seiko for this very reason. Embarrassing bracelets.
I heard there was an elite team working on the bracelet/clasp to be ready for Watches and Wonders, but one of them was disrespectful about the new ‘Lake Suwa on a Humid evening during a thunderstorm’ dial, and the dial ninja took them all out while they slept 🥷🏾 🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸 💀
@@alfieakaronaldoglol
They recently introduced an on the fly adjust clasp but only on their lion watch which is extremely expensive:/
No it doesn't. You're full of crap.
GS sports line has some pretty nice pieces, but they are soooo big, maybe some day they will get that point 40-42 mm is the sweet spot
I don’t think rhe Daytona has to worry about this killer...😂. With that being said, I prefer a Zenith Chronomaster instead.
I am right with you. I wish I have the money to buy that excellent piece of engineering!
I have a Zeniuth el prem chronograph, the tentograph is just too big 😢
I love this channel and it has really sparked my watch itch which is good and bad because I now want every watch I see 😅
The gs is a good watch on paper, and sort of good looking looking too. But I'd be crazy to buy it over the daytona. Jesus christ. Unless I already had another daytona, it would not even be a question.
Beautiful but a beast
That case design of the Daytona is so wearable with its slim 12.4 mm height.
beautiful watch! but its too big. GS needs to make their sports watches around normal wrists.
01:25 no it‘s NOT a Quarz drive powered by a spring! It is in fact a mechanical watch using a quarz to replace the escapement
Honestly ... for everything luxury, is an automatic chrono worth it? If you truly need a functional chrono, I cannot see having anything but a quartz. Your typical G-shocks are perfect .. reliable any time you pull out of the drawer. This is the only thing preventing me from considering an Omega Speedy, as it is truly the apex iconic chrono, IMHO.
"worth it" can be quite the conundrum in the watch world. It has to be worth it to whomever specifically is interested. For instance, (personally) I don't find a ton of appreciation or value in brand heritage, though it is a major selling point for many.
Just saw this watch in person and although the layout of the face is nice, it's not a very good looking dial. I'd take the Zenith Chronomaster any day.
Thanks Andrew, thanks a lot. I have the "older"GMT chronograph and now I have to buy a new Tentagraph cos mine isn't as good as I thought. I love my 2018 watch and I'm going to keep it. I wouldn't knock back a free Tentagraph however and you can keep the Rolex.
Should’ve chucked the sapphire sandwich Speedy into the mix. Not as refined as the GS, but the 3861 is a lovely looking movement, the watch is timelessly iconic and it’s half the price! Is the Daytona too blingy?
The smooth sweep on the Seiko spring drive is ludicrous.
You're right... but just for clarity, the Tentagraph isn't a Spring Drive.
I still wish they released a SpringDrive based chrono with a less busy dial.
No one will be faced with that decision.
That date window positioning... Whyyyyyyyyyyyy??
Never liked Daytona (lucky me), but this GS is way too thick and bulky.
Jlc Polaris Chrono is the better watch .
In the price range there is also the Glashütte Seaq Chronograph that beats everything.
Very straight and to the point comparison with much needed details. Thank you 👍🏼
Frankly, I wouldn't have either chrono. They're both way too chonky for me.
I would go with either the new Breitling glass box or the new retro Zenith chrono. They may not have GS quality of finishing nor the 1st class spring drive nor even Rolex's flex, but they're wearable for me without making me look like I'm wearing an Invicta from a distance.
200% agree.
chonky??? the Daytona was always a 39mm watch, nearly a ladies watch
@@DonLee1980 It's true that I've not tried one on my wrist so I can't say 100% that I'm right. It just looks like a 39 mm that's taken too many steroids.
@@astorbeijer9424 i have 6 inch wrists and my daytona clone fits perfectly fine. Hardly a difference than other 36mm watches i own. Hell its the whole reason I got the clone. Affordable SS (mechanical) chronographs are practically non existent in a size that I can wear.
Both the watches you mentioned are chunkier than a Daytona.
15.3mm thickness for the GS. 12.5mm for the Rolex. And you say that the GS is superior watch making?
It looks very much like the blue dial Tag Heuer Sport Chronograph 44mm.
The Daytona is considerably more wearable .... but vastly less attainable. You'll need at least $20k, or else fluff your AD just to get on a waiting list, which will cost at least that much.
The thing is, nobody buys a Daytona because they need to time anything - they buy a Daytona so they can wear a Daytona. That's why it comes in gold and platinum (and diamond-studded adamantium with an unobtaninium bracelet.) GS can't compete, when the very goal of the contest is to score a Daytona.
For those of us who just want a really good chronograph (and don't ask us why we "need" one), the Tentagraph is a pretty high-end option. I'd settle for Omega, or Zenith, or Breitling, and keep the change.
Lost me at 15.3mm
Would you have bought otherwise?
@@Moon_in_Flames I wouldn't, but im poor. Completely unwearable for me too though.
No date on a Daytona always bugs me but if you can get it at RRP it’s a no brainer because of its resale
The Tentagraph is a (literally) big miss, with silly dimensions, and the usual bad GS bracelet. The biggest problem is that GS makes arguably the loveliest DIALS in the business, which a chronograph ends up obscuring with sub-dial clutter.
Pretty sure the GS ate Rolex’s lunch on this one (outside of the case size). That said, there are easily 20 brands that outclass the marketing monster that is Rolex. Yet lemmings still buy them in droves.
If it was 40 mm I would choose it as my next chronograph.but with 6.5 inch wrist!! Not gonna be mine
The biggest problem with the spring drive is that it's vulnerable to an EMP blast or very strong solar flare. If you want to keep time after the apocalypse (and who doesn't?), the spring drive is not for you.
No one will care after the apocalypse 😂
That's really stretching a point.
@@garyboyle695 The apocalypse is imminent so it should be upper most in everyone’s mind.
Running seconds at 3 is the easiest to implement movement-wise for a chronograph. Seconds at 6 and 12 are much more difficult.
Tentagraph, like many GS's is just too chonky.
Looks nice, and I am a GS fan, but this modular movement chronograph in a 43.2 mm case that is also 15.3 mm thick may be many things, but a competitor to the Daytona it is most certainly not.
GS as many mentioned is thickness. As beautiful as their dials and movements are, they lose a lot of point by being as thick as my wrist 😂
As Rolex costs now about 30tht and GS is about half of it, there is not even competition.. it's of course Seiko. Only if you are looking for investment, then it's different situation. And of course size matters.. GS is a big watch.. it needs some wrist to carry it.
grand seiko hibeat dual impulse escapement is the greatest mechanical movement ever made period, it seems similar to george daniels co axial escapement but its completely different and way better and more efficient
4hz chronos measure 1/8 of a second? How? Reading either the sub-seconds markers or the gap between them?
43mm x 15.3mm… I’ve said it all
Watchfinder offered me 30% of retail price to buy my slightly used Grand Seiko, what a joke
I think grand seiko made a mistake by pitching tentagraph as a Daytona alternative. If money isn’t an issue, then most watch enthusiasts will buy the Daytona because of its more wearable size and its cult status. However, if this tentagraph were of 40 mm case size, then maybe it would have been a winner. I think it’s hard to beat rolex in their dive watch and chronograph category. And I say this despite being a gs fan boy.
The GS is a chunky block of a watch
totally agree. andrew said it best. If its too big, doesn't matter how awesome or gorgeous it seems. I have abnormally thin wrists and below average income so I'll never see the likes of either lmao
god bless China
Have you seen a Daytona in the flesh, it's tiny. It looks like a toy watch.
@@garyboyle695 ya ive got a clone. im too poor to sniff a real one. And i've also got tiny wrists. It is the most wearable (mechanical) chronograph for me that is accessible.
Got on the GS hype back in 2018 and made a boutique special purchase. I also own several Rolexes, Tudors and a single Omega.
I was never able to shake off the feeling that there is always something off with Seiko and GS watches.
Regret my purchase and badly want to get it out of the collection.
You know you enjoy a watch and justify the purchase when you actually keep wearing it. Not the case with GS here.
Also the bracelet, extremely underwhelming.
I love GS, but there's 2 things about the Tentagraph I don't like... the 4:00 date window and the name. The Tentagraph name is a little silly. I wouldn't mind if they called it that, but then they went and stamped that silly name on both the front and back. I could live with the size and bracelet issues. But for my tastes, the 4:00 date window and name on the dial are showstoppers.
My favorite chronographs are still from Omega (moonwatch and especially the '57) and Breitling.
If I had the money, this would be my go-to watch. That Tentagraph is gorgeous!
If you had the money... You would buy Rolex.
@@damirbajic4579 nope, I'm not a fan of Rolex to be honest. I'd sooner pick an Omega, Grand Seiko, or IWC before I would pick a Rolex
@GriffXJ NO you wouldn't. Trust me. One day you will have the money and before you know it you will be browsing internet, looking at those brands you just named with Submariner on your wrist. And you will feel good knowing you picked not only the best but the one that will never go out of style or lose you money.
@@damirbajic4579Dude, chill. Rolex watches are far inferior to nearly all competitors in their price range. And they don’t even use AR to make their watches more blingy. No enthusiast goes for new Rolex watches.
@@damirbajic4579 sorry, you're wrong, although I do appreciate the optimism you expressed towards me. I just don't like the style of Rolex watches, the same way I don't like Patek Philippe and some JLC watches...it's just not my style. I'd be happier with a Speedy on my wrist that's beaten to crap because I wear it everyday than a Rolex Submariner that's in pristine condition. I might make a concession for a Daytona, but that would be it.
I have too many other expensive hobbies, and in all honestly, I'll probably never own any of those watches. I pour thousands of dollars into my firearm and ammo collection every year.
It’s big and chunky like an Omega. You should compare it to an Omega.
It doesn’t even compete with the Zenith
I still choose the Daytona.
Here I am with my 6inch wrists, and normie bank account. With my sub- $1k daytona clone appreciating the chinese for offering such quality experience i would otherwise never have.
It's really very wrong to say that Spring drive is a quartz movement powered by a spring, because it's not. It's a mechanical movement regulated by a quartz escapement. That's a big difference because quartz movements use a stepper motor to power the hands, whereas the hands on a Spring Drive are powered by... well, a spring - because the "movement" is mechanical. It's also "almost" the only movement in the world which measures time the way time flows, without any steps, which makes it very special.
I just don't like the hour hand on the GS
It should match or beat on the accuracy.
GS makes some mighty fine watches. I'd rather park my money into their dress watches like that white birch. That's one magnificent watch
naaa, I know you love gs but the chrono is no way near the daytona. and I’m no rolex fan at all. in sports models gs is hard to beat. but comparing this to the polaris chrono hurts me deep inside…
It's the same at GS as it is at Omega. The watches are too thick and thus lose their elegance. That has always been the interesting thing about Rolex, to have found the absolute measure. I have a 7.7-inch wrist, but watches that are too thick remind me of outdoor activities. Whereas, 41-42 mm I consider optimal for my wrist circumference (flat wide wrist, and not a thick one due to overweight). BTW, the build quality of a GS, and then in titanium.... 🙂
As long as I can fit it under my sleeve, 15mm or 16mm vs 12mm isn't a big deal... these aren't miles, they're millimetres.
Bingo
Without any doubt, Rolex is the best selling watch and, as we all know Ford is the best selling unit in the world but, Toyota or, Honda will outlast your Ford clunker all day every day in the heat and cold. Movement wise and the overall presentation of Grand Seiko Tentagraph is inviting itself to be compared to the Daytona, great job GS. Not to mention Zenith 36000 VPM which is Rolex baby daddy, Daytona is El Primero's son, so sit down get in the back seat haha, If I like to invest Gold Silver and Platinum stacking is where the ticket is, USD has been going down just like Rolex.
I will go to Zenith chronograph , cheaper hi beat eye catching watch and it is movement is the mother of all automatic chronograph movement and used to supply rolex with Daytona movement , even Daytona movement cal 4130 & 4131 are take so many thing from zenith
With all my love for GS, I'd still get Daytona every time - thinner, smaller, screw down pushers, great bracelet.
To me, the Grand Seiko just has a more refined design compared to the Rolex. If only it were a bit smaller and thinner. But it does display the high level of engineering and finishing that Grand Seiko is known for.
Did you know SEIKO has double meaning?, Precise(精工) and Success(成功)
That's why Japanese old bussiness person chooses Seiko for succes.
As much as I would love to say so unfortunately the answer is not yet: design is awesome but the watch is way too thick, especially when the Daytona is so slim and feel so good on the wrist. And sorry but to me a modular chronograph will always be behind a fully integreted one, nice try still and I wish some day GS will make a better watch than the Daytona
I tried one on. It's wonderful, luxurious and impeccably well-made. But it's not elegant in any way - the handset spoils the balance of the dial and feels cumbersome comapred to the fine detail elewhere on the watch face. Although very comfortable, and light, it sits awkwardly, and the transition between case and bracelet is a bit clunky (sorry GS!). It;s a mechanical tour-de-force, but not a classic. An El Primero delivers 1/10's, in a much thinner movement. Shame - I wanted to love it, but it left me feeling a bit 'meh'.
Hi, I’m from the future…the tentagraph did not murder the Daytona
Rolex Daytona didn’t even knew tentagraph existed 😢
are people going to wait years to have the GS Tentagraph like they do for the Daytona? There is your answer to the title
I love my Seiko Spring Drive Landmaster. I also love my Daytona Homage watch. The Daytona is the perfect every day wearing size.
Seiko landmaster is cheap and won't go up in value. Main thing is that you love it.
Everyday watch with no date? Nope.
Grand Seiko: 15.3 mm
Daytona: 11.9 mm
End of story.
Andrew, I just wondered if you had ordered a Bel Canto?
“It has that feel that feel that every Grand Seiko is” ….
A Seiko.
Sorry but it’s true. I have an Astron, I tried the tentagraph and looking closely, it’s special. But until you just wear it, they become similar. 😢
It’s not a Daytona killer, because it’s not a Daytona 🤷🏻♂️
I'd buy the Skipper.
Underrated Brand and Unloved by Many.
I love GS but just not this one
I'd take a Speedmaster over both of those.
100%
I saw one in a shop about a month ago and I would really really really want it (if I could pull it off)
I've owned a chronograph for 6 years , I've used it thrice , I thought I'd use it all the time.
Purely aesthetics. I daresay few owners use the chronograph functions. Same with GMTs. It's just a way of marketing to sell more styles.
@@mindfulawareness1 I love my Chronograph and wear it all the time but don't use the function, at least I use my dive watch functions
You obviously don't cook as I use mine all the time.
@@PabloTBrave nice looking watches, definitely.
@@garyboyle695 😂
Why can’t GS make smaller watches? If it was 40mm then maybe.
I gave my Daytona to my son. It just didn’t do it for me, and he loves it. The Daytona is beautiful, but the quest of getting one outweighs the actual watch. The issue I have with the GS is the S. Sorry, I can’t get past the Seiko name. Rolex is just such a powerful brand. Amazing how they have parlayed the brand into more than it really is.
What are some of your favorite writers/books?
Hi
I like your videos
Can you please make a review of Tag Heuer Monza.
Thank you
This is a competitor to the AP RO offshore or any Panerai chrono...not to the Daytona
Tentagraph and the spring drive chronos are just too big.
So many Rolex killers and still Rolex sales more watches than all of them combined. 😂
Because Rolex is hustle.
I love how GS just choose a design or function and completely masters it, making the swiss look lazy and silly
I think GS jacked up their prices too quickly, almost like overnight they now position their prices above Omega, IWC etc. 🤔🤔🤔 🤷🏻♂️
I’m not sure if they have built up the brand power and prestige yet to command such a price.
It’s like Lexus is successful as it cost maybe 20% less than a Merc and BMW and comes better optioned. I don’t think Lexus would have enjoyed such success if they priced themselves at Mercedes prices.
Brands like Breitling have been in the game for a century and still dare not charge such crazy prices.
I’m not paying 15k for that, there’s a lot to chose from at that price, even in precious metals.
If I had to chose between my own life or the continuity of Grand Seiko, I'd be running up a pretty large credit card tab in the Maldives...
Prefer the Daytona its smaller and thinner, The GS is just too big for my wrist
i’m not a big fan of the GS logo. Grand Seiko should be enough.
The Grand Seiko has to me what I am into watches for, Innovation. The Rolex is purely a status symbol at this point, wonderful watch too, but not innovative any longer.
I feel like GS is loosing one of their strengths, which was that they were no braines against Rolex, better quality and lower price. Now seems that they’re saying well, it still cheaper than the Rolex you can buy now… on the grey market
Daytona kills it, looks and size
I'd buy the GS if they made them 41mm max.
Is it the only chronograph in the market which beats 10 times a second?
Of course not, the Zenith El Primero are also 36000BPH, Tag Heuer has used also some El Primero base movements years ago, as well as other brands. But they are not common. And certainly, not needed. You are losing already more than 1/10th of a second just by pressing the pusher.
Fabulous looking thing. The Rolex isn't in the same league for me